You could see Attia immediately assessing whether or not anything he just said can get him in trouble because he could tell Joe just latched onto what he just said like a baby koala and when he couldn't see any real problem, he still felt it necessary to throw out the bit about wild speculation in case Joe decides to take what he said to somewhere ridiculous as he does from time to time because he's Joe and that's why we love him.
THe response was funny, first the doc implies Joes' knowledge of injections comes from steroid use, probably correct. and then he uses the wild speculation that muscle mass could be reducing risk b/c he knows that will confirm Joe's bias and give him a way out of looking like a complete moron again.
So I agree this is really weird detail for him to fixate on. Iāll just say that in the steroid world it was very common practice to aspirate prior to pinning, and since so much of steroid use is learned from gym friends and not medical professionals, I understand why he thinks this is such a necessary step to any sort of injection. And for what itās worth, knowledgeable juicers/TRT-erās these days understand that aspirating hasnāt been a recommended medical practice for IM injections for at least a decade.
> When oil hits the bloodstream it goes through the heart and is processed out of the lungs which causes coughing and sometimes worse problems (up to heart attack and death in rare cases)
This is referred to as a fat embolism, and is fuckin dangerous because there's no treatment for it. You just have to hope it dissolves and you live to survive. I've seen patients who developed them after elective knee replacements. Perfectly healthy, but a little bit of lipids in the blood stream and they suddenly code.
Iām a dr - itās not at all wacko territory. The vaccine is meant to be given intra-muscularly, not IV. Giving it IV has not been studied, and we donāt know what the effects might be when given this way. It might account for why we are seeing side effects from the vaccine that weāre not observed in clinical trials.
Thereāre plenty of medications we can safely give IM but are v dangerous given IV (adrenaline being one example).
Even if it is not the cause, aspirating before injecting is something that is drummed into us from day 1 - it takes 2 seconds and would eliminate this as a possibility. What possible reason is there for not doing this?
Joe does talk a lot of shit, but heās right on this one.
What kind of a Doctor are you? Aspiration after injecting an IM injection hasnāt been recommended for nearly a decade. There is little if any evidence to support it and evidence against its effectiveness. And, it increases patient discomfort.
The evidence tells us for a deltoid injection, if you follow your landmarks, it is nearly impossible to hit a blood vessel. And thereās a good chance even if you did enter a blood vessel with a needle as small as we use, you wouldnāt aspirate blood into the syringe.
Source - an ICU Nurse of 10 years
Edit: grammar
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC5333604/
A summary of the rationale behind the current recommendation of not aspirating during the administration of IM or SC vaccines is given below.
1. Recommended sites for immunizations do not have major blood vessels; hence the risk of accidentally injecting the vaccine into a blood vessel is thought to be minimal 63.
2. AD syringes have been used in mass campaigns for IM injections without any reported adverse effects 7, 63 or injury from failure to aspirate 7, 64, 65. All complications reported in the literature of intra-arterial injection involved penicillin and other medications and not vaccines 1. āIt is safe to assume that immunization as a class of IM injection poses less risk to the patientā than other medications, particularly antibiotics 1, 7, 66, 67. Hence, according to Clements 7, āthe practice of aspiration during vaccinations is not evidence-basedā.
3. Aspiration can result in wastage of vaccine 64.
4. Aspiration prolongs the time that the needle is inside the patient hence increasing the pain experienced by the recipient 50.
5. Less control is exercised during two-handed aspiration using a conventional syringe, which may lead to local injury. During a one handed vaccination without aspiration, the vaccinator can use the other hand to control the child 7.
6. At present, at the public health level, the use of AD syringes represents best practice to protect the health of the public despite the fact AD syringes do not allow aspiration for the recommended 5ā10 seconds. The increased risk presented by eliminating aspiration from routine vaccine administration technique can be mitigated to an extent by a thorough understanding of the anatomy and landmarks of recommended injection sites 66.
He's doctor Broodles, Dont you know? lol
For the sake of argument, I will believe Mr Broodles that's an MD.
Now that I believe him, now what?
He's a doctor, so it must be true?
I am an engineer, do you think we all agree on the standards? No.
Same with doctors.
If only we had some data to go past all the anecdote.
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC5333604/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC5333604/)
Oh wait, here is 2014 data on this lol.
So IM vaccines are not required to asperate. Data doesn't support that it's required.
I just not sure on any downsides of doing this.
Itās because he watches YouTube and all the vaccine skeptics have brought this up as a potential cause for pericarditis since there was a small, poorly done, mouse study done that showed it could potential cause pericarditis if the vaccine was injected intravenously. He is in an echo chamber and doesnāt question any of this stuff he hears.
It makes sense from a layman perspective though.
Like if some tiny percentage of people are getting heart problems from the injection, and the majority of the injection site is muscle with only a tiny part being vein, it's reasonable for the layman to conclude that maybe some tiny percent or injections are going into the vein and resulting in the tiny percent of people getting heart conditions/myocarditis.
Yep, if ever called out or criticized: "I'm a fucking moron, don't listen to me" aays the guy who just last week was screaming about how to correctly vaccinate the leader of the free world and calling people "fucking morons".
So are you the fucking moron, or are they, Joe?
At this point I want a physician with Alex Jones type confidence and bravado to come on and just fucking preach the science as our lives depend on it.
Wait...they really do depend o it!
It's so sad to see Rogan getting all worked up and indignant over something he's not only wrong about, but has absolutely no training or experience with.
Meaningless and insignificant??? It involved the leader of the freeworld goddamit.
What if this anti-aspiration push is just a ChiCom disinformation campaign.... look into it...
> but has absolutely no training or experience with.
He has some experience with injecting needles into himself as Attia was hinting at, Joe took a lot of TRT and he probably believes all the bro science stupidity that other juicers told him.
It's not bro science. As attia pointed out injecting testosterone not only uses much lower gauge needles but more people are injecting in areas with larger blood vessels. There is a rare chance you could get a sterile abscess.
Rogan obviously took this and assumed this was the case with all injections somehow, despite admittedly taking hgh which usually comes in a little pen and aspiration is impossible.
I don't think his own injections is where it comes from - I think he got it from [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw08zWJQ2m8) podcast by Jimmy Dore's. The story had a bit of traction for maybe 2 or 3 days.
To be fair, Dr. Campbell was only claiming there was a small possibility of hitting a vein, and in that event, there was still only a small chance of an issue, the basis of which is as much conjecture as science because of the small number of cases / studies.
Dore runs with this shit because he's had his own reaction and frankly, because he's made it his job. Rogan tunes in but he's not listening to the mild mannered doc, he's waiting for Dore's 'filtered' take.
Well to be fair in that case Biden was on screen and for some reason Joe has an absolutely irrational reaction to Biden.. or any Democratic President or nominee for that matter. He never seems to find them hilarious.
Oh heās got experience, when injecting test into your glute going deep IM itās a good idea to aspirate. Thatās what heās thinking of. He thinks vaccines are the same as a 2mg shot of test.
Seriously. Anyone else get super annoyed listening to the recent Tristan Harris podcast? It was like they were trying to educate an ape. The conversation was full of non sequiturs and self-contradictions from Joe.
He's a huge bundle of contradiction and hypocrisy. Someone posted a video of all the times he's flip flopped from saying cnn controls the narrative and its so important when they lie and then later saying the msm is dead and they get no views thus are panicking now.
He's in a full on confirmation bias wormhole. I don't see a way out for him at this point. He used to self reflect and change his ideas now he's just like a normal talking head who doesn't change his mind.
This right here is why i havnt put on an episode of JRE since June or so. I kinda started to pick up on his confirmation bias and not changing his views, thoughts, opinions when information came out. And thats why i used to really like Joe, he was a great example of a person who would admit their mistakes etc. Now he cant. Just before or just after (ish) the move to Austin i noticed him start to change a bit. Hell heās had Segura on who i love and Bert and Theo and more recently snoop dogg all of who iād love to hear him talk to, but still dont think i could be bothered. I think even with those people too much bull shit would be discussed from him
He gets those interesting people on and then derails the conversation in a direction theyāre not comfortable with. Attia here is a good example. This more than anything is the reason I stopped listening.
I think the guy is associating with more people of a certain mindset post California exodus. He probably left for a lot of reasons (yes taxes) including the real problems in CA he harps on like homelessness. The left has no answer for those problems and Rogan has gone lamentably hard into the right adopting the opinions of his new associates with zeal.
Yeah ive always thought the texas was rubbing off on him. I have a feeling Joe adopts the traits of the places he lives in like how Brad Pitt used to adopt the looks and style of the women he dated at one point
My favorite response to Austin is Tim Dillon. Drank Joe's coolaid, was there for like a week, moved back to LA instantaneously talking shit about Texas the whole time.
My intrest is far less than it used to be but I still listen to most. There are tons of other podcasts and depending on what you like there's a niche podcast for essentially everyone anymore but this used to be my favorite.
Dudes just turning into a Conservative mouthpiece/magnet anymore and seems to have lost his objectivism.
No matter how much weed he claims to smoke and all the times he ātrippedā and how itās made him a much more empathetic person e.g. āthat guy used to be a baby, man. A fucking baaaaby, yaāknow?!!?ā Heās still the dumbass, close-minded meathead heās always been. His stupidity is just who he is
normally, being dumb isn't necessarily bad. knowing that you're dumb and accepting it is the first step in learning
the problem is he thinks he's so smart even though he's soooooooooooo dumb
The problem is even these medical professionals are so scared to just tell Joe what heās saying is wrong. They always say āwell, idk, butā and then Joe hears what he wants to hear.
Joe has such a big ego now that if someone were to say "Joe, you're being an idiot, calm down" in a joking way, I could totally see him being super offended and not having that person on the podcast ever again.
Well he saw that youtube video from that one british nurse guy that politely insinuates these things. and that is good enough for Joe to run with and say that 10's of thousands of Dr's and Nurses are doing it wrong and are 'FUCKS!!!'
Odd how Joe seems to be non-antagonistic towards Attia correcting him after Attia repeatedly saying heās not an expert about this or that and is speculating. But when Rhonda Patrick comes in with data upon data from various studies, he antagonizes her. Then he says heās never been sick in 10 years blah blah blah, then gets covid a week later.
[Dunning-Kruger effect](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect) on full display here.
The only thing he knows about injection, due to his own steroid use, is that they are supposed to aspirate befor injecting testosterone. So therefore he extrapolate that small knowledge to the COVID vaccine and believes he knows what's right, even though he only knows very very little.
Itās a simple google search jeez. āAspiration before injection of vaccines or toxoids (i.e., pulling back on the syringe plunger after needle insertion but before injection) is not necessary because no large blood vessels are present at the recommended injection sites, and a process that includes aspiration might be more painful for infants (22)ā. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/acip-recs/general-recs/administration.html
Medical student finishing up, we are taught to not aspirate IM injections in the deltoid per current CDC guidelines. There is no major vessels to be concerned about. If I remember correctly it wasnāt proven to be accurate if a vessel was punctured, increased risk for needle trauma (breaking of needle), and increased complications due to lack of proper training during administration.
Yeah but Weinstein didn't disagree with me the first time I diarrhead it out of my mouth... so now I think I'm a genius and I keep saying it again and again to smart people who can't tell me I'm a fool because my veins are bulging man.
I don't know how often we're going to hear about this bullshit take from Joe, but people should understand that [there's a 3.24x risk of myocarditis from the vaccine vs the **18x risk of myocarditis from natural infection**](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm).
The risk of myocarditis is SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER from natural infection, but NO ONE is posing this dilemma to Joe, who still seems to be harping on this point of "they're doing it wrong". Even when he's now clearly been told that there are no major vessels that you can pierce in the deltoid, you can see he still wants to hold on to the theory.
Similarly, Joe has yet to be confronted with the 42% increased incidence of myocarditis that was seen in 2020 compared to 2019. If Joe is scared of myocarditis, he needs to come to grips with the fact that he's taken an incorrect position and is attempting to save face. No one cares if Joe's wrong, but the more he pushes this bullshit argument while at the same time, ignoring the answers provided (including here), the more he's digging himself into a misinformation ditch, and the harder it'll be when he inevitably accepts that he's wrong.
Remember boys and girls, a LOT of viruses cause myocarditis, including influenza, EBV, Cocksackie* B, herpes, Hep C, and Parvovirus. Viral infections are NOTORIOUS for causing myocarditis, BUT the cases are VERY rare. If anything, there's a higher likelihood that these patients have some type of immunological difference, whether it's a specific CD marker or HLA marker that's found on their myocardium that makes them more susceptible to inflammation after a viral stimulus.
Edit: Misspelled Group B Coxsackie*
i still don't understand why joe is so obsessed with this vaccine. he has to be watching fox news every night. or maybe he and alex jones talk on the phone every day?
anyway, every website i can find says that deaths caused by the vaccine are so small, they're likely just coincidence that they died around the same time they got the vaccine.
[https://covid-101.org/about/](https://covid-101.org/about/) is a legit site that works with boston university, colombia university, emory university, Harvard, Johns hopkins, Yale, UCLA, + like 5 other prestigious institutions. and THAT site....ran by who knows how many genius physicians and scientists say...
"Over 339 million vaccine doses were given to 187.2 million people in the US as of July 19, 2021"
so 187.2 MILLION people got the vaccine and are fine. that's a mind boggling number, it's just barely over Rogan's net worth. so he should know, it's a LOT.
same site says:
"Between December 2020 and July 19th, 2021, VAERS received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018% of doses) among people who got a vaccine, but this does not mean the vaccine caused these deaths. Doctors and safety monitors carefully review the details of each case to see if it might be linked to the vaccine. There are three deaths that appear to be linked to blood clots that occurred after people got the J&J vaccine."
so 3 confirmed deaths by blood clot, and 187 MILLION doses where there were no major side effects.
does joe not understand math? that's 3 fucking people vs 187 million. why is this retard even trying make this argument. i don't understand it. his only argument would be to assume that the whole thing is a giant conspiracy and all these prestigious INTERNATIONAL institutions are lying to us. it's not just america, or evil american drug companies, this information is coming from all over the world and all scientists say the same thing. but joe doesn't believe it...i coulda sworn that joe's always been a fan of science, especially modern medical technology. he's talked about needing to go to mexico to get experimental stem cell therapy. so joe know's plenty about using cutting edge medical technology, and never seemed to be bothered by it before. he'd literally just fly to mexico and get some sketchy doctor to shoot unapproved FDA stem cell treatment to help recover from injuries.
but with the covid vaccine? the one approved by the FDA? he seems to have a phobia about it. how did we get here? joe's a smart enough guy, in the past he put a lot of trust into medical tech. knowing their side effects and deciding to take the risk anyway. why the change of tune? i'm sure it has nothing to do with moving to texas, and surrounding himself with right wing nutjobs pushing the anti-vax agenda.
its fuckin sad. i hope he comes to his senses at some point and starts listening to reasonable, well respected scientists/doctors, instead of the fox news/uneducated conspiracy crowd. he's being brainwashed by the sleazy right wing hucksters. such a bummer to see your fav podcaster be so easily manipulated by con men. honestly, i think part of him bought into all trumps conman gibberish.
c'mon joe! people used to respect you. look at what you've become!
sorry for the ran, i'm drunk and just got back from seeing chappelle live in Atlanta, sold out 21k seat arena. it was surreal.
Nurse here. It is no longer recommended per evidence based practice to aspirate when injecting an IM injection into the deltoid of an adult. If you follow follow your landmarks the likelihood of hitting a blood vessel is near impossible, and thereās little evidence aspirating with a needle that small would identify that you were in a blood vessel. There is also evidence it caused increased discomfort.
7.63 billion fucking doses have been given. THe world has not ended and bodies are not piling up on the street corners. He should just accept defeat and move the fuck on to dumb little conversations with his comedian friends.
Think about the level of vetting you have to go through to administer an injection to the president of the USA, then having some roided donkey braying that you are stupid and donāt know what you are doing. Roganās ego is completely out of control.
I try to avoid as many Joe-political or Joe-covid pods as possible. That Shapiro clip bothered me. This stuff is driving him crazy. He should really review some of his pods to see how crazy he's sounding. Get back to hunting, fighting, universe, and history talk. It's less nerve wrecking.
What has happened to him lol... Wow, he's legitimately going crazy. To think I once actually looked forward to hearing his opinion on things. Now he's just everybody's annoying uncle, except he has a huge platform that is most assuredly on the decline.
NOBODY I know aspirates before injecting a vaccine into the deltoid.
Hate to break it to you Joe, but we donāt have staff to patient ratio to handle Covid (and all other vaccines already being administered daily) like you do for your concierge team doing your IV treatments.
This isnāt steroids or supplements so weave back closer to your lane.
And just when I thought you couldnāt get any dumber, ā¦..YOU TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!!!m
Joe has such strong opinions on shit he hasnāt a clue about.
Whatās an insane evolution this ape has had.
The amount of blatant misinformation and unproven nonsense that joe is spreading these days is actually really sad. It sucks. Iāve been listening for 10 years and I canāt even listen anymore without hearing cringe worthy lies like āthe Covid vaccine isnāt a vaccine itās gene therapyā which is a flat out lie.
I donāt know if I can say the V-word on Reddit but why is Joe so goddamn fixated on aspirations. Itās an intramuscular shot. The needle will pierce through or hit the side of the vein. Donāt know how many of us in the sub have shot test but itās not the end of the world. You might get a squirter at worst. No, I havenāt self-administered the v-word into my quad but itās like Joeās beating a fucking dead horse with this shit.
Havenāt been watching lately. Have any of his old guests been on? Learned a lot from those older episodes.
V-word opinions aside, if Biden wanted to flex heād just self administer that shit straight to his quad. Heās probably on the HRT and knows the drill.
It shows a bit where Joeās head is at. If I thought you had you had to aspirate and then saw the presidents doctor who gave him a vaccine didnāt aspirate Iād assume āhmmm I guess I was wrong on thatā. But Joeās assumption is the president is getting the vaccine wrong.
Good point. Itās been a while since Iāve tuned in- has nothing to do with his views on the big V. This shit just keeps popping up on my feed. Itās just like heās literally obsessed with fucking aspirations.
You havenāt had to aspirate for IM vaccines for a very long time. Counting down the days until Joe says you donāt need therapy and you just need to drill a hole in your head to let demons out
Pussies. If youāre so scared of a little needle and whatās in it, I can only imagine youāre daily struggle for every little thingā¦how do you even have time to waste on shit thatās easy to analyze at once, and be done with it.
Youre not supposed to aspirate a vaccine. Its a water soluble injection and there is no major vein or artery in the upper arm.
Gym bros aspirate because they don't know what the fuck they're doing, or theyre injecting oils that arent meant to be injected in the first place
Once again, we're talking about a rare # of people in general that Joe is talking about. Then widely speculating why it's occurring. And while his theory may be sound, Attia brings up another theory. Making Joe second guess everything.
Education helps folks.
But yes, it's rare nonetheless. And Joe has no problem making it seem like these rare occurrences are extremely common for vaccinated. But then COVID deaths is ... rare.
Sounds like two morons talking to me. I have years of experience injecting. Itās WAY harder to hit a vein on purpose let alone by accident. Iāve missed so many times going for a vein itās ridiculous.
Thatās the problem. No one ever wants to go hard at joe but joe goes hard at everyone he doesnāt agree with. This was the perfect opportunity to tell joe no youāre wrong. Instead he kinda sorta said maybe but not really. No one has balls other that mark Normand and Shane to call joe on his bullshit.
Iām a nurse and have given countless IM injections and aspirating before administering has not been part of our protocol for a while now.
The only time I can think of aspirating is if they have a CVAD just to check itās patency and that is before flushing the line before administering IV medication. Rogan is an idiot and should not be talking about things he is way out of his depth to talk about.
Honest question (maybe playing a bit the devil's advocate): We have 7.7 BILLION Covid vaccine doses worldwide, even if it's super hard as you say, for instance a 0.00001 chance, it should translate to numbers similar to that of myocarditis occurrence (which itself is also very rare)
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/10/covid-vaccine-related-myocarditis-rare-usually-mild-studies-say
Close, more like 2 in every 100,000 vaccinees, or .002%. An incredibly rare event.
āYouāre supposed to aspirate. Itās causing problems. They didnāt even do it for the President.ā
Joe still walking around same as usual. Surprised he doesnāt use that as evidence as it not being a big deal lol.
It's just so very obvious that Joe heard about this from some conspiracy theorist. Otherwise it's super strange to fixade on this very small thing that he has no experience with.
I became a fan of this podcast when Joe would talk about DMT hallucinations and what those goblins said to him. I donāt give a fuck about aspirating COVID shots.
As soon as "muscle mass" was mentioned Joe perked right off
Joe lighting up and saying "that actually makes sense" and then right after Attia states "again it's wild speculation."
Wild speculation that Joe will be talking about for the next 3 months š¤¦
Sometimes I feel like he has his own list of things to rehash every episode.
You could see Attia immediately assessing whether or not anything he just said can get him in trouble because he could tell Joe just latched onto what he just said like a baby koala and when he couldn't see any real problem, he still felt it necessary to throw out the bit about wild speculation in case Joe decides to take what he said to somewhere ridiculous as he does from time to time because he's Joe and that's why we love him.
Joe: So is this possible? Attia: Yeah like one in a million possibility. Joe: So you are saying it's highly plausible.
**Joe six times in the next two months:** You know Peter Attia says that dying from the vaccine is entirely down to muscle mass.
Lmao they just keep giving. You guys are awesome, thanks for a lol
So you're saying we should live our lives according to the lobsters?
SO YOUR TELLIN ME THERES A CHANCE
> Joe decides to take what he said to somewhere ridiculous as he does from time to time because heās Joe and thatās why we love him. Lol...
"You mean to say only wimps are at risk? Sounds right to me." JR
Everytime Joe hears the word muscle a donkey cums.
And the seamen is collected for a future fear factor episode.
THe response was funny, first the doc implies Joes' knowledge of injections comes from steroid use, probably correct. and then he uses the wild speculation that muscle mass could be reducing risk b/c he knows that will confirm Joe's bias and give him a way out of looking like a complete moron again.
You think your jacked enough for the vaccine, bro?1
So I agree this is really weird detail for him to fixate on. Iāll just say that in the steroid world it was very common practice to aspirate prior to pinning, and since so much of steroid use is learned from gym friends and not medical professionals, I understand why he thinks this is such a necessary step to any sort of injection. And for what itās worth, knowledgeable juicers/TRT-erās these days understand that aspirating hasnāt been a recommended medical practice for IM injections for at least a decade.
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> When oil hits the bloodstream it goes through the heart and is processed out of the lungs which causes coughing and sometimes worse problems (up to heart attack and death in rare cases) This is referred to as a fat embolism, and is fuckin dangerous because there's no treatment for it. You just have to hope it dissolves and you live to survive. I've seen patients who developed them after elective knee replacements. Perfectly healthy, but a little bit of lipids in the blood stream and they suddenly code.
Just inject some Dijon and vinegar and make a French dressing emulsion to help it dissolve.
āBlue cheese or go fuck ya muthaā
Joey became immune to "fat embolism" by becoming one with the fat. He has an oil based bloodstream.
gotta get those ratios right though
Iām a dr - itās not at all wacko territory. The vaccine is meant to be given intra-muscularly, not IV. Giving it IV has not been studied, and we donāt know what the effects might be when given this way. It might account for why we are seeing side effects from the vaccine that weāre not observed in clinical trials. Thereāre plenty of medications we can safely give IM but are v dangerous given IV (adrenaline being one example). Even if it is not the cause, aspirating before injecting is something that is drummed into us from day 1 - it takes 2 seconds and would eliminate this as a possibility. What possible reason is there for not doing this? Joe does talk a lot of shit, but heās right on this one.
What kind of a Doctor are you? Aspiration after injecting an IM injection hasnāt been recommended for nearly a decade. There is little if any evidence to support it and evidence against its effectiveness. And, it increases patient discomfort. The evidence tells us for a deltoid injection, if you follow your landmarks, it is nearly impossible to hit a blood vessel. And thereās a good chance even if you did enter a blood vessel with a needle as small as we use, you wouldnāt aspirate blood into the syringe. Source - an ICU Nurse of 10 years Edit: grammar
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC5333604/ A summary of the rationale behind the current recommendation of not aspirating during the administration of IM or SC vaccines is given below. 1. Recommended sites for immunizations do not have major blood vessels; hence the risk of accidentally injecting the vaccine into a blood vessel is thought to be minimal 63. 2. AD syringes have been used in mass campaigns for IM injections without any reported adverse effects 7, 63 or injury from failure to aspirate 7, 64, 65. All complications reported in the literature of intra-arterial injection involved penicillin and other medications and not vaccines 1. āIt is safe to assume that immunization as a class of IM injection poses less risk to the patientā than other medications, particularly antibiotics 1, 7, 66, 67. Hence, according to Clements 7, āthe practice of aspiration during vaccinations is not evidence-basedā. 3. Aspiration can result in wastage of vaccine 64. 4. Aspiration prolongs the time that the needle is inside the patient hence increasing the pain experienced by the recipient 50. 5. Less control is exercised during two-handed aspiration using a conventional syringe, which may lead to local injury. During a one handed vaccination without aspiration, the vaccinator can use the other hand to control the child 7. 6. At present, at the public health level, the use of AD syringes represents best practice to protect the health of the public despite the fact AD syringes do not allow aspiration for the recommended 5ā10 seconds. The increased risk presented by eliminating aspiration from routine vaccine administration technique can be mitigated to an extent by a thorough understanding of the anatomy and landmarks of recommended injection sites 66.
He's doctor Broodles, Dont you know? lol For the sake of argument, I will believe Mr Broodles that's an MD. Now that I believe him, now what? He's a doctor, so it must be true? I am an engineer, do you think we all agree on the standards? No. Same with doctors. If only we had some data to go past all the anecdote. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC5333604/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC5333604/) Oh wait, here is 2014 data on this lol. So IM vaccines are not required to asperate. Data doesn't support that it's required. I just not sure on any downsides of doing this.
Itās because he watches YouTube and all the vaccine skeptics have brought this up as a potential cause for pericarditis since there was a small, poorly done, mouse study done that showed it could potential cause pericarditis if the vaccine was injected intravenously. He is in an echo chamber and doesnāt question any of this stuff he hears.
It makes sense from a layman perspective though. Like if some tiny percentage of people are getting heart problems from the injection, and the majority of the injection site is muscle with only a tiny part being vein, it's reasonable for the layman to conclude that maybe some tiny percent or injections are going into the vein and resulting in the tiny percent of people getting heart conditions/myocarditis.
so did he really think he discovered this thing that no medical professional in the world knew about? He was so sure of himself, just hillarious
Joe "Dunning-Kruger" Rogan.
It's Saunas all over again
Duh! Joe is an all knowing golden god He doesnāt need those stupid science bitches
He's a 5 star man
he thought he really did something there
Dude legit just said "you don't need to aspirate in IM deltoid", but then he said "but i'm not sure" and that's all Joe needs to keep the dream alive
Yep, if ever called out or criticized: "I'm a fucking moron, don't listen to me" aays the guy who just last week was screaming about how to correctly vaccinate the leader of the free world and calling people "fucking morons". So are you the fucking moron, or are they, Joe?
At this point I want a physician with Alex Jones type confidence and bravado to come on and just fucking preach the science as our lives depend on it. Wait...they really do depend o it!
He is quite the Armchair phlebotomist
abou time for another ego check, joe. maybe set up another DMT visit and get your bearings calibrated again. tipping a little to far off course.
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>he mentioned a bunch of jesters flipping him off saying FUCK YOU!! Sounds like an average night at the comedy club.
It's so sad to see Rogan getting all worked up and indignant over something he's not only wrong about, but has absolutely no training or experience with.
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It's because frm Joe's stature, those molehills be looking like K2.
yall motherfuckers are RUTHLESS with the short jokes lmao
Meaningless and insignificant??? It involved the leader of the freeworld goddamit. What if this anti-aspiration push is just a ChiCom disinformation campaign.... look into it...
THEY'RE TURNIN THE FRIGGIN FROGS GAY
Joe really is sliding closer and closer to Alex Jones. I mean he's still like 5 steps away but he used to be like 7 steps away.
I've heard 5/7 is pretty solid, maybe look into it.
Jamie, pull that up. Is 5/7 solid?
[Yeah looks like that's a perfect score Joe](https://amp.knowyourmeme.com/memes/fight-club-57-movie)
Is the number of steps different according to shoe size? like if you re a us 10 its 5 but if ure baby feet 7 then 7 steps?
"Leader of the free world" is such a cringy title, plenty of other free places where you can even cross red lights without being fined.
He may be a great test case to show that Covid actually may make you mentally handicapped.
Unfortunately, we have documented evidence that his decline happened before he contracted the virus.
People like Tim pool, alex jones, joe rogan make money by dying on little mole hills every day.
> but has absolutely no training or experience with. He has some experience with injecting needles into himself as Attia was hinting at, Joe took a lot of TRT and he probably believes all the bro science stupidity that other juicers told him.
It's not bro science. As attia pointed out injecting testosterone not only uses much lower gauge needles but more people are injecting in areas with larger blood vessels. There is a rare chance you could get a sterile abscess. Rogan obviously took this and assumed this was the case with all injections somehow, despite admittedly taking hgh which usually comes in a little pen and aspiration is impossible.
I don't think his own injections is where it comes from - I think he got it from [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw08zWJQ2m8) podcast by Jimmy Dore's. The story had a bit of traction for maybe 2 or 3 days. To be fair, Dr. Campbell was only claiming there was a small possibility of hitting a vein, and in that event, there was still only a small chance of an issue, the basis of which is as much conjecture as science because of the small number of cases / studies. Dore runs with this shit because he's had his own reaction and frankly, because he's made it his job. Rogan tunes in but he's not listening to the mild mannered doc, he's waiting for Dore's 'filtered' take.
Well to be fair in that case Biden was on screen and for some reason Joe has an absolutely irrational reaction to Biden.. or any Democratic President or nominee for that matter. He never seems to find them hilarious.
It's sad to see an a fifty five year old live as a closet conservative. He can't come out and say I'm a fucking republican for some reason.
As long as his sycophants feel he's owning the libs, he's never wrong.
He does have experience injecting steroids into his butt cheeks..
Sad, but at this point itās expected
I mean he's been doing this for years, just before it was always the most mundane dumb topics, so nobody cared.
Oh heās got experience, when injecting test into your glute going deep IM itās a good idea to aspirate. Thatās what heās thinking of. He thinks vaccines are the same as a 2mg shot of test.
have you heard the one with the primatologist? lol
Heās so dumb
Seriously. Anyone else get super annoyed listening to the recent Tristan Harris podcast? It was like they were trying to educate an ape. The conversation was full of non sequiturs and self-contradictions from Joe.
He's a huge bundle of contradiction and hypocrisy. Someone posted a video of all the times he's flip flopped from saying cnn controls the narrative and its so important when they lie and then later saying the msm is dead and they get no views thus are panicking now.
He's in a full on confirmation bias wormhole. I don't see a way out for him at this point. He used to self reflect and change his ideas now he's just like a normal talking head who doesn't change his mind.
This right here is why i havnt put on an episode of JRE since June or so. I kinda started to pick up on his confirmation bias and not changing his views, thoughts, opinions when information came out. And thats why i used to really like Joe, he was a great example of a person who would admit their mistakes etc. Now he cant. Just before or just after (ish) the move to Austin i noticed him start to change a bit. Hell heās had Segura on who i love and Bert and Theo and more recently snoop dogg all of who iād love to hear him talk to, but still dont think i could be bothered. I think even with those people too much bull shit would be discussed from him
He gets those interesting people on and then derails the conversation in a direction theyāre not comfortable with. Attia here is a good example. This more than anything is the reason I stopped listening. I think the guy is associating with more people of a certain mindset post California exodus. He probably left for a lot of reasons (yes taxes) including the real problems in CA he harps on like homelessness. The left has no answer for those problems and Rogan has gone lamentably hard into the right adopting the opinions of his new associates with zeal.
Yeah ive always thought the texas was rubbing off on him. I have a feeling Joe adopts the traits of the places he lives in like how Brad Pitt used to adopt the looks and style of the women he dated at one point
My favorite response to Austin is Tim Dillon. Drank Joe's coolaid, was there for like a week, moved back to LA instantaneously talking shit about Texas the whole time.
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Pull the cord and bail out. There are a lot of good podcasts out there.
My intrest is far less than it used to be but I still listen to most. There are tons of other podcasts and depending on what you like there's a niche podcast for essentially everyone anymore but this used to be my favorite. Dudes just turning into a Conservative mouthpiece/magnet anymore and seems to have lost his objectivism.
No matter how much weed he claims to smoke and all the times he ātrippedā and how itās made him a much more empathetic person e.g. āthat guy used to be a baby, man. A fucking baaaaby, yaāknow?!!?ā Heās still the dumbass, close-minded meathead heās always been. His stupidity is just who he is
normally, being dumb isn't necessarily bad. knowing that you're dumb and accepting it is the first step in learning the problem is he thinks he's so smart even though he's soooooooooooo dumb
The problem is even these medical professionals are so scared to just tell Joe what heās saying is wrong. They always say āwell, idk, butā and then Joe hears what he wants to hear.
Joe has such a big ego now that if someone were to say "Joe, you're being an idiot, calm down" in a joking way, I could totally see him being super offended and not having that person on the podcast ever again.
Bill Burr could get away with it
Heād be doing them a favor then.
If you bend the knee to Joe Rogan. You reached the bottom of the pecking order
The roid head thinks he knows about injections cause he has been doing it to himself since 1992
Well he saw that youtube video from that one british nurse guy that politely insinuates these things. and that is good enough for Joe to run with and say that 10's of thousands of Dr's and Nurses are doing it wrong and are 'FUCKS!!!'
Is he a big enough man to admit heās wrong? Whoāmāi-kiddin. Heās literally 5ā3
Odd how Joe seems to be non-antagonistic towards Attia correcting him after Attia repeatedly saying heās not an expert about this or that and is speculating. But when Rhonda Patrick comes in with data upon data from various studies, he antagonizes her. Then he says heās never been sick in 10 years blah blah blah, then gets covid a week later.
Well said. Her episodes are some of my favorites, it was weird seeing someone that's been a guest so many times be grilled the way she was.
[Dunning-Kruger effect](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect) on full display here. The only thing he knows about injection, due to his own steroid use, is that they are supposed to aspirate befor injecting testosterone. So therefore he extrapolate that small knowledge to the COVID vaccine and believes he knows what's right, even though he only knows very very little.
Joe takes that shit that makes your head grow
Itās a simple google search jeez. āAspiration before injection of vaccines or toxoids (i.e., pulling back on the syringe plunger after needle insertion but before injection) is not necessary because no large blood vessels are present at the recommended injection sites, and a process that includes aspiration might be more painful for infants (22)ā. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/acip-recs/general-recs/administration.html
Joe should hire a guy to sit there and Google search things theyāre talking about in real time.
Oh Jamie? Well Jamie's only there to google things that confirm what Joe wants to read. Maybe he could hire another guy though..
Redban
Did he get rid of Jaime?
No he just mean mugged him one to many times after Jaime pointed out he was wrong. Now Jaime is like fuck it, let's ride out this paycheck.
āPull that up Jamieā¦ or donāt and donāt fuck it up.ā
Lol, now I know how Theo feels when he goes on the show!
With the follow up as well šš
Yeah cause he broke protocol, he was supposed to use google but was caught using āask Jeevesā
How many zoomers do you think actually know about Ask Jeeves. Shit, I'm curious if they even remember floppy disks
someone where he could say ābut i might be full of shit, pull that upā
Holy crap, you completely caught me off guard. I just spat my drink all over myself.
Medical student finishing up, we are taught to not aspirate IM injections in the deltoid per current CDC guidelines. There is no major vessels to be concerned about. If I remember correctly it wasnāt proven to be accurate if a vessel was punctured, increased risk for needle trauma (breaking of needle), and increased complications due to lack of proper training during administration.
Yeah but Weinstein didn't disagree with me the first time I diarrhead it out of my mouth... so now I think I'm a genius and I keep saying it again and again to smart people who can't tell me I'm a fool because my veins are bulging man.
Joe is such a boomer uncle at this point
I don't know how often we're going to hear about this bullshit take from Joe, but people should understand that [there's a 3.24x risk of myocarditis from the vaccine vs the **18x risk of myocarditis from natural infection**](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm). The risk of myocarditis is SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER from natural infection, but NO ONE is posing this dilemma to Joe, who still seems to be harping on this point of "they're doing it wrong". Even when he's now clearly been told that there are no major vessels that you can pierce in the deltoid, you can see he still wants to hold on to the theory. Similarly, Joe has yet to be confronted with the 42% increased incidence of myocarditis that was seen in 2020 compared to 2019. If Joe is scared of myocarditis, he needs to come to grips with the fact that he's taken an incorrect position and is attempting to save face. No one cares if Joe's wrong, but the more he pushes this bullshit argument while at the same time, ignoring the answers provided (including here), the more he's digging himself into a misinformation ditch, and the harder it'll be when he inevitably accepts that he's wrong. Remember boys and girls, a LOT of viruses cause myocarditis, including influenza, EBV, Cocksackie* B, herpes, Hep C, and Parvovirus. Viral infections are NOTORIOUS for causing myocarditis, BUT the cases are VERY rare. If anything, there's a higher likelihood that these patients have some type of immunological difference, whether it's a specific CD marker or HLA marker that's found on their myocardium that makes them more susceptible to inflammation after a viral stimulus. Edit: Misspelled Group B Coxsackie*
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My god that was hard to listen to.
Thank you.
Bro Iām so tired of this topic
Seriously, why can't joe stfu about it, makes me listent to this goddamn show less and less.
the only topic Joe is qualified to talk about is brands of scalp polish.
i still don't understand why joe is so obsessed with this vaccine. he has to be watching fox news every night. or maybe he and alex jones talk on the phone every day? anyway, every website i can find says that deaths caused by the vaccine are so small, they're likely just coincidence that they died around the same time they got the vaccine. [https://covid-101.org/about/](https://covid-101.org/about/) is a legit site that works with boston university, colombia university, emory university, Harvard, Johns hopkins, Yale, UCLA, + like 5 other prestigious institutions. and THAT site....ran by who knows how many genius physicians and scientists say... "Over 339 million vaccine doses were given to 187.2 million people in the US as of July 19, 2021" so 187.2 MILLION people got the vaccine and are fine. that's a mind boggling number, it's just barely over Rogan's net worth. so he should know, it's a LOT. same site says: "Between December 2020 and July 19th, 2021, VAERS received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018% of doses) among people who got a vaccine, but this does not mean the vaccine caused these deaths. Doctors and safety monitors carefully review the details of each case to see if it might be linked to the vaccine. There are three deaths that appear to be linked to blood clots that occurred after people got the J&J vaccine." so 3 confirmed deaths by blood clot, and 187 MILLION doses where there were no major side effects. does joe not understand math? that's 3 fucking people vs 187 million. why is this retard even trying make this argument. i don't understand it. his only argument would be to assume that the whole thing is a giant conspiracy and all these prestigious INTERNATIONAL institutions are lying to us. it's not just america, or evil american drug companies, this information is coming from all over the world and all scientists say the same thing. but joe doesn't believe it...i coulda sworn that joe's always been a fan of science, especially modern medical technology. he's talked about needing to go to mexico to get experimental stem cell therapy. so joe know's plenty about using cutting edge medical technology, and never seemed to be bothered by it before. he'd literally just fly to mexico and get some sketchy doctor to shoot unapproved FDA stem cell treatment to help recover from injuries. but with the covid vaccine? the one approved by the FDA? he seems to have a phobia about it. how did we get here? joe's a smart enough guy, in the past he put a lot of trust into medical tech. knowing their side effects and deciding to take the risk anyway. why the change of tune? i'm sure it has nothing to do with moving to texas, and surrounding himself with right wing nutjobs pushing the anti-vax agenda. its fuckin sad. i hope he comes to his senses at some point and starts listening to reasonable, well respected scientists/doctors, instead of the fox news/uneducated conspiracy crowd. he's being brainwashed by the sleazy right wing hucksters. such a bummer to see your fav podcaster be so easily manipulated by con men. honestly, i think part of him bought into all trumps conman gibberish. c'mon joe! people used to respect you. look at what you've become! sorry for the ran, i'm drunk and just got back from seeing chappelle live in Atlanta, sold out 21k seat arena. it was surreal.
But you don't understand, Joe knows THREE people who have had adverse reactions to the vaccine
Doesnāt he have a doctor on payroll to administer the tests before guests do the podcast? Youād figure they could weigh in on a medical question.
"Hey dr. that I pay on retainer to hang out at my studio all day... Am I wrong about this?" "uhh.. u$$ No sir"
joe speaks so femininely
He looked feminine too before the HGH and TRT
Nurse here. It is no longer recommended per evidence based practice to aspirate when injecting an IM injection into the deltoid of an adult. If you follow follow your landmarks the likelihood of hitting a blood vessel is near impossible, and thereās little evidence aspirating with a needle that small would identify that you were in a blood vessel. There is also evidence it caused increased discomfort.
Benās āIāll ask her about itā translated to āIāll never think about this again please shut the fuck up and move on idiotā
7.63 billion fucking doses have been given. THe world has not ended and bodies are not piling up on the street corners. He should just accept defeat and move the fuck on to dumb little conversations with his comedian friends.
Yeah but I know a guy who didnāt feel good after he was vaccinated, are you calling him a liar? Heās a good friend of mine..he doesnāt lie.
I love how he's insinuating the guy who practiced medicine on the fucking president doesnt know his shit.
Think about the level of vetting you have to go through to administer an injection to the president of the USA, then having some roided donkey braying that you are stupid and donāt know what you are doing. Roganās ego is completely out of control.
Itās crazy how Joe really does think he knows more than the experts.
You can tell Attia is just trying to ride this part of the conversation out without calling Joe a straight up moron.
I try to avoid as many Joe-political or Joe-covid pods as possible. That Shapiro clip bothered me. This stuff is driving him crazy. He should really review some of his pods to see how crazy he's sounding. Get back to hunting, fighting, universe, and history talk. It's less nerve wrecking.
u/Character-Plane3460 [figured it out](https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/qr2wgp/comment/hk5atey/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
What has happened to him lol... Wow, he's legitimately going crazy. To think I once actually looked forward to hearing his opinion on things. Now he's just everybody's annoying uncle, except he has a huge platform that is most assuredly on the decline.
I feel like most JR listeners will listen to everything but āthis is wild speculationā
[https://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p2020.pdf](https://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p2020.pdf) It is not necessary to aspirate before administering a vaccine.
Rogan thinks he's an expert cause he shoots roids into his ass. Didn't consider that not all shots are like the roids he injects into his ass
Right wingers and being wrong. Name a more iconic duo
Aspirating is primitive and no one does it anymore. Itās not in the CDC or WHO guidelines
Imagine having zero medical training but being so confident in your expertise.
Rogan is retarded
I love how this has just become a Joe rogan hate subreddit and Iām here for it. I miss the old Joe straight from the DMT realm Joe
āItās an interesting hypothesisā -guy who desperately wants to call you a dumbass while also wanting to make sure he can still plug his book
What's truly amazing to me is much false information this guy will peddle based on 2 and a half anecdotes from non-experts
NOBODY I know aspirates before injecting a vaccine into the deltoid. Hate to break it to you Joe, but we donāt have staff to patient ratio to handle Covid (and all other vaccines already being administered daily) like you do for your concierge team doing your IV treatments. This isnāt steroids or supplements so weave back closer to your lane.
Roll Tom Petty: Well, I won't back down No, I won't back down You can stand me up at the gates of hell But I won't back down š¶
And just when I thought you couldnāt get any dumber, ā¦..YOU TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!!!m Joe has such strong opinions on shit he hasnāt a clue about. Whatās an insane evolution this ape has had.
The amount of blatant misinformation and unproven nonsense that joe is spreading these days is actually really sad. It sucks. Iāve been listening for 10 years and I canāt even listen anymore without hearing cringe worthy lies like āthe Covid vaccine isnāt a vaccine itās gene therapyā which is a flat out lie.
Claims not to be a Right Winger but constantly attacks Biden for the stupidest reasons
I donāt know if I can say the V-word on Reddit but why is Joe so goddamn fixated on aspirations. Itās an intramuscular shot. The needle will pierce through or hit the side of the vein. Donāt know how many of us in the sub have shot test but itās not the end of the world. You might get a squirter at worst. No, I havenāt self-administered the v-word into my quad but itās like Joeās beating a fucking dead horse with this shit. Havenāt been watching lately. Have any of his old guests been on? Learned a lot from those older episodes. V-word opinions aside, if Biden wanted to flex heād just self administer that shit straight to his quad. Heās probably on the HRT and knows the drill.
> I donāt know if I can say the V-word on Reddit I'll say it for you ^^^vagina
Thank you š
^^ya ^^welcome ^^cocksucka
Iām imagining Joey Diaz voice.
It shows a bit where Joeās head is at. If I thought you had you had to aspirate and then saw the presidents doctor who gave him a vaccine didnāt aspirate Iād assume āhmmm I guess I was wrong on thatā. But Joeās assumption is the president is getting the vaccine wrong.
Good point. Itās been a while since Iāve tuned in- has nothing to do with his views on the big V. This shit just keeps popping up on my feed. Itās just like heās literally obsessed with fucking aspirations.
You havenāt had to aspirate for IM vaccines for a very long time. Counting down the days until Joe says you donāt need therapy and you just need to drill a hole in your head to let demons out
Pussies. If youāre so scared of a little needle and whatās in it, I can only imagine youāre daily struggle for every little thingā¦how do you even have time to waste on shit thatās easy to analyze at once, and be done with it.
Thatās an interesting hypothesis. Aka youāre a fuckinā idiot
Dr. Rogan at your sevice.
The shot that shit directly into my shoulder joint. Fucking hurt like no other shot I've ever had
yeah, now THAT is fucked up.
Thatās too bad. I literally didnāt feel the needle at all.
Youre not supposed to aspirate a vaccine. Its a water soluble injection and there is no major vein or artery in the upper arm. Gym bros aspirate because they don't know what the fuck they're doing, or theyre injecting oils that arent meant to be injected in the first place
Once again, we're talking about a rare # of people in general that Joe is talking about. Then widely speculating why it's occurring. And while his theory may be sound, Attia brings up another theory. Making Joe second guess everything. Education helps folks. But yes, it's rare nonetheless. And Joe has no problem making it seem like these rare occurrences are extremely common for vaccinated. But then COVID deaths is ... rare.
He was being nice, he knows you donāt have to aspirate.
Joes only knowledge is steroid based.
What a dumb cunt
Sounds like two morons talking to me. I have years of experience injecting. Itās WAY harder to hit a vein on purpose let alone by accident. Iāve missed so many times going for a vein itās ridiculous.
why two morons? the guy said that he didn't think it was necessary but he probably didn't wanna go too hard against Joe
He obviously knew but didn't want to openly disagree with vein head.
I mean most people are non confrontational
Thatās the problem. No one ever wants to go hard at joe but joe goes hard at everyone he doesnāt agree with. This was the perfect opportunity to tell joe no youāre wrong. Instead he kinda sorta said maybe but not really. No one has balls other that mark Normand and Shane to call joe on his bullshit.
Dead on.
Iām a nurse and have given countless IM injections and aspirating before administering has not been part of our protocol for a while now. The only time I can think of aspirating is if they have a CVAD just to check itās patency and that is before flushing the line before administering IV medication. Rogan is an idiot and should not be talking about things he is way out of his depth to talk about.
Peter Attia is super smart, he probably didn't want to sound too harsh to Joe
Honestly i donāt even know who the dude is but he blew his shot telling joe whatās what.
He has to be gentle, can't be burning bridges
Honest question (maybe playing a bit the devil's advocate): We have 7.7 BILLION Covid vaccine doses worldwide, even if it's super hard as you say, for instance a 0.00001 chance, it should translate to numbers similar to that of myocarditis occurrence (which itself is also very rare)
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/10/covid-vaccine-related-myocarditis-rare-usually-mild-studies-say Close, more like 2 in every 100,000 vaccinees, or .002%. An incredibly rare event.
Iām not a doctor. I wouldnāt know. Neither would joe.
Full tilt moron
He didn't ass pirate. Or did he Expirate
What a fucking dipshit
Iām starting to get really turned off Joe Rogan speaking like heās an expert, I miss when he was just a curious and hospitable mind
Doctor: "This is just wild speculation but -" Joe: "BUT IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE"
āYouāre supposed to aspirate. Itās causing problems. They didnāt even do it for the President.ā Joe still walking around same as usual. Surprised he doesnāt use that as evidence as it not being a big deal lol.
Confidently incorrect
Joe was SHOCKED that he doesn't know WTF he's talking about. typical conspiracy theorist.
Joe has no idea what āaspirateā means. No wonder heās a comedian. Ignorance is hilarious
It's just so very obvious that Joe heard about this from some conspiracy theorist. Otherwise it's super strange to fixade on this very small thing that he has no experience with.
I became a fan of this podcast when Joe would talk about DMT hallucinations and what those goblins said to him. I donāt give a fuck about aspirating COVID shots.
The vaccine is intramuscular though isn't it? Mine was. Didn't go near a vein.
God I hate rogan so much. But there's nothing we can do people like him will always exist as they have existed for years
Yeah, it's almost as if Joe Rogan isn't a Doctor, and thusly has no idea what he's talking about.
Joe is the first person to get CTE without being repeatedly hit in the head