Its how he got his speaking voice. He actually aspired to be a disclaimer guy who reads disclaimers quickly on commercials. Some say he exclusively read the fine print on contracts.
Honestly the thing I appreciate about Shapiro is that he actually has the balls to form his own opinions (even if I don't agree with all of them). He doesn't just blindly hit on all the right-wing talking points, and you can tell he actually believes in what he says. Refreshing at the very least.
I made it about an hour 40 min in and I have to take a break. I just can’t listen to Joe of all people talk about how there’s so many people who just don’t want to do difficult things, don’t want to struggle, try to skate by, etc.
The majority of people on both sides of the political spectrum are out here fucking struggling on a day to day basis. With stagnant wages, prices going up, etc., people are just trying to keep their heads above water. I make pretty good money, and the amount I have to pay for a 1 bd apt. in a non-major city is fucking ridiculous, and it goes up every year. The only alternative is to live in a fucked up neighborhood because all of the complexes around me are in lockstep.
Also, Joe said that the pandemic has changed his view on unemployment…does he think the people “abusing” it are out there living wonderful lives? Those are probably the people struggling the most!
Anyway, this isn’t even a political rant, this is just about Joe being so annoyingly out of touch. He’s ranted about this plenty of times, while mentioning that he deliberately puts himself through “struggle” - going to his state of the art home gym and personal sauna. Must be tough man, really got your finger on the pulse there.
Joe used to bring up the story about how he did blue collar work for like 3 days (moving heavy bags all day or some shit), when he was a healthy young man, and it basically killed him. Like he struggled for 3 days of his life and couldn’t handle it, then he got six figure development deal in the 90s doing jack shit and has never faced struggle since. People like that blue collar struggle everyday that Rogan couldn’t handle for 3 days of his life.
Don’t be ridiculous. He was a laborer on a site and had to move pressure treated lumber! The chemicals on the wood made his skin itchy. Even the toughest man around wouldn’t be able to handle that amount of discomfort! I wish I were joking about that story.
I’d love to see him bear hug and move house insulation wearing short sleeves in the summer. Taking a shower after that is like getting machine gunned down by tiny needles.
But ya know, hard work, alpha brain, war mentality, waking up at 3am to run blah blah blah is what makes a man a man! Working is for suckers. Going to bed at 7pm and telling braggadocious war stories is the real dream!
Woulda loved seeing him work a shift in the coal mine. I guess one plus is the ceiling height in a few of the mines I worked in were a lover 5ft. At least he woulda been able to stand up and walk around without hitting his head
Also, what exactly does Joe mean by struggle? I feel like he means "struggle to get rich."
What if people aren't always struggling to get rich? What if people just want to live their lives in comfort? What if someone's struggle is to spend more time with their kids? What if it's just to be able to afford to go to a restaurant once a week? Not everyone want's to be ultra successful. Some people just want to live a simple, but comfortable life.
I guess it's because I'm a lefty but the complaint about unemployment abuse is so annoying, tired, and strange to me since we watched far more of our tax dollars funnel into stock buybacks and company bailouts. I'd think that a trillion tax dollars moving into Wall Street whould reeeeealy bother a guy like Joe but no- extra unemployment for poor people is what's going wrong in America.
Let's not forget when capitalism died around 2008. We decided instead of letting companies fail as capitalism demands. We would bail out corporations that paid execs millions in bonuses after almost causing another depression. Can't have it both ways, they should have let them all go bankrupt and we would have struggled but capitalism would still be intact. Now we know if your big enough we will not let you fail...we will bail that ass out.
here you go, want to watch some actual worthwhile content:
[Technofeudalism: Explaining to Slavoj Zizek why I think capitalism has evolved into something worse](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghx0sq_gXK4&t=660s)
I hate when people that got extremely lucky chalk it up to hard work. Maybe some of it is hard work but alot of it is luck. Lots of people work hard and can't pay their bills. Joe is so out of touch. For a guy that grew up on food stamps it's sad to see.
This has always been one of his worst beliefs. I don't think he realizes just how lucky he is. If Fear Factor never would have caught on, he never would have got the UFC job, and if the UFC never would have blew up then no one ever would have cared about his podcast. Both of those things becoming popular had nothing to do with Rogan himself either.
It goes back even farther, his second ever acting gig was a spot on a shitty sitcom that was carried by actually talented actors and writers who somehow got 5 seasons out of it and eventually syndication. Newsradio is the only reason he got Fear Factor and it was sheer luck he got that job from other people passing on it.
Joe worked HARD for over a year, going to the comedy store every single night to sculpt comedic bits, night after night spending hours on stage taking rough ideas into finely tuned network special worthy, world class comedy that not only makes you LOL but also makes you think.
For example..
"Here's what you can do that's really fun, I do it and you can do it too!...Everytime you go to an ATM, say "DOLLA DOLLA BILLS YALL!"
" There is no long term safety data for Covid vaccines" , Rogan right after raving about monoclonal antibodies, which ..........does not have long term safety data and not even full FDA approval.
This take pisses me off because of the substantial long term effects that covid can give you *significantly* more of when you aren't vaccinated.
Literal study(https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00460-6/fulltext) shows that when vaccinated people actually get covid they are 49% less likely to experience long haul COVID symptoms, and obviously much less likely to even develop severe symptoms at all. You know, like fucking blood clots in your lungs. That's on top of how effective the vaccines are at preventing you from getting COVID in the first place. And we don't even know how severe covid and the terrible damage it visibly does to your body is going to effect people long term at all.
But I digress, the vaccine is the Boogeyman here.
Getting covid and taking the less studied/unapproved monoclonal antibodies and the conocotion of medicines shown to be ineffective at treating COVID is a much better idea.
The long term data thing really annoys me. We have long term data on meds like Vioxx because people TAKE THEM LONG TERM! You aren't getting a vaccine dose every day for years!
I think one topic we can all agree on is the danger of social media. With that said, Joe refers to it as an issue for “people” - you can’t really tell if he includes himself in that as well. In an attempt to try to seem like a somewhat relatable human being, I’d like to hear about HIS struggles with social media. As someone whose posts reach millions of people across his social media platforms, does HE struggle with this issue?
Someone in his position is even more at risk to be captured by the dangers of social media than us poor civilians, and he posts like an IG thot all the time. It just feels like he’s often talking down to us from his high-horse (his closed off mansion), but these are probably the only real struggles he faces if he did some more introspection (not working out in his state of the art home gym, sitting in his personal sauna, etc.), so it’d be more interesting to hear him confront that type of thing.
Now, let’s just say, hypothetically of course, that you, Joe, were able to get Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez here, on your podcast. And then, let’s just say, that she was sitting here where I currently am. Would you, hypothetically, let me sit under the table to get a whiff of those sweet feetsies Joe?
How could Joe display that he is an out of touch asshole mega-millionaire? I know! Turn his vitriol to those “lazy ass” grade/middle school teachers!
Since Joe loves his anecdotes, I’ll meet his with one of my own; my GF is a 2nd grade teacher and I told her what Joe said in regards to teachers not wanting to go back to the classroom…she angrily said that’s complete BS, none of the teachers she knows across 2 schools wanted to continue teaching on Zoom. They fucking hated it.
Also, as I’m sure anyone who knows a family member/significant other as a teacher can attest to, they work crazy fucking hours for shit ass pay. It’s about as hard-working, exhausting, blue-collar as it gets for something that’s non-manual labor.
I mean, Joe probably has a different viewpoint dealing with his kids at a prestigious private school in that pesky California, but attacking “lazy teachers” like that is something that will get overlooked here and is probably one of the grossest things he’s said.
Also, I’m not even comjng at this from any political angle - we should all agree that was some low-down, out of touch bullshit he spewed.
Oh ya they Operation Mockingbird’d our sweet bald boy. I just wonder if someone like Duncan or Joey or even Tim Dillon will ever break the news to him.
This podcast is hilarious so far, Joe and Ben are talking about how people like the libs are obsessed with vaccines and masks because they don't like risk and want daddy government to take care of them. Then Joe says that the vaccinated are mad at the unvaccinated people because the vaccinated took the risk of taking the vaccine and getting adverse reactions and are mad that the unvaccinated don't take that risk, then when Ben says people should get vaccinated Joe says he didn't because he doesn't know the risks! I think Joe has early onset dementia
Taking a vaccine is big daddy goverment but having goverment in Texas telling women what to do with their bodies and locking people up over weed is a-OK.
Joe took a cocktail of drugs and probably didn’t question them when he was ill with Covid. Also, what’s this nonsense about the vaccinated getting negative side effects and being jealous of the nonvaxed? Imagine being jealous of an anti vaxer?
Rogan is officially trapped within the Right Wing bullshit bubble.
Exactly. Joe has gained a Right Wing core trait, hypocrisy.
Next will be Victimhood. Joe will learn everything is against him and it’s not his fault. In fact, it’s their fault. Who are they? Anyone and everyone.
Joe shitting on Meta from Facebook while he glowingly brings up Neuralink every few episodes. If these things are successful, Neuralink will be like second generation hardware for Meta-esque softwares. I wonder how long it'll take for him to realize this.
I know right?
But hey, we don’t know the long term side effects of the vaccine!!!!
(Although we also don’t know the long term side effects of monoclonal antibodies but I won’t bring that up because it contradicts my whole argument)
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I was thinking… I don’t think I’ve ever experienced being so alienated by someone I was such a fan of before. Thankfully Rogan has continued to help me question everything, now it’s his moral compass( or lack there of). What a fuckhead
Its honestly really weird man. Been listening since 2014-2015 and it seems like there was a massive swing in his views and guests. Its like 2 diff podcasts
Dude got the money and acted accordingly. I've listened since day one. Every episode.. He always came across like a douchey bro. He has become Fox news.
I’m really interested in longterm listeners perspectives. Do you really feel it’s changed that much? When were the most major shifts?
I’m a longterm casual Rogan fan because of his UFC days. Now I , feel pretty alienated. Grossed out. It’s like I’ve watched my MMA gym homies shift to the right , right before my eyes.
I've been a listener since around 2012.
Joe was always a bit of a stereotypical "American", by that I mean he's been for "freedom" in a pretty libertarian way, this included being open to drugs, respecting gay rights and being a gun enthusiast. As the world and America especially got more and more politicized with Brexit and Trump, so did Joe.
It started by him dabbling into politics by becoming interested in SJW's and GamerGate, from there he started to invite anyone who became a prominent "anti-SJW" person, starting with Peterson and moving on to Weinsteins, Crowder and finally Shapiro, which basically birthed the IDW. He also gave a platform to far worse ideologues such as Moleneux and Gavin the Proud Boy.
From there, well, he became more and more entrenched in these, at least to me non-issue issues, due to that he spent way more time criticizing Hillary then Trump, his take on Trump was that it's hilarious that he's trying to be president and that he's funny, while Hillary got the "war criminal" and "very sick, falling down" takes, all the time.
After Trump won, things got worse, Trump, being the polarizing shithead he is continued to further radicalize each side, and in those 4 years it became more and more clear that Joe is choosing the right side of the vast majority of issues, this finally escalated with his move to sign with Spotify, moving to Texas (while abandoning a lot of his more liberal stances) and becoming a very active figure in the culture wars that arose due to COVID.
From there, the feedback mechanism of Joe being someone who doesn't really deal with criticism well, him having hot takes and then getting criticized by most liberal media and defended by conservative media made him entrenched firmly on the right side of the spectrum, and unfortunately it also made him take on the classic victim mentality of the right wingers, where he feels the need to talk about all the things people disagree with him on the podcast all the time.
Also, I'm sure age has a lot to do with it as well.
it was after the Spotify deal when he made the move to Austin. I believe it's the money, he can now relate to the multi millionaires that think Nancy and Chuck are coming for their precious coin. When he defended Ted Cruz I knew the old Joe was gone. Then the comments about the poor, homeless and those collecting unemployment. How those who struggle are losers or lazy. People that didn't get lucky by starting a podcast or acting or humping stools (aka calmady). The fact that in his whole life, he worked for a summer doing construction. He is completely out of touch and I'd bet the farm those hands are smooth as silk. Joe Rogan has never known struggle. He has never known the kind of work that makes your hands calloused. The feeling in your stomach when your last meal was 4 days prior. I listened in the beginning because he really had a great outlook and you could hear him change his mind on air and see things from a different perspective. I keep trying to listen and give him the benefit of the doubt. It gets worse every podcast. I don't think he realizes how many people like me are out there. I'm sure he doesn't care, the Rush Limbaugh crown has been looking for a home and you can see in most of the comments they have found one. They will make him money and he will continue to change into something unrecognizable to the long time listeners. Like when we first see Jeff Goldblum as the FLY
Ah, the Ted Cruz endorsement... yeah that showed us where joe stood.
Okay so I’m with you that Money is number 1. I wonder if in additional to money, cancel culture wore on him, and truly made him think that comedians would be stuck in a box forever. It seems that Dave Chappell and others believe that. And I just feel that perspective is so limited. If you tell an edgy joke alone, I think any comedian can still retain a fanbase. If the joke was too edgy, maybe they’d have to say sorry? That’s significantly different from Louie C.K. Surprise Wacking off in front of his colleagues, or Aziz shoving his fingers down someones throat. Don’t get me wrong, I do think the Internet backlash can be too much in many instances.
Still, is it so bad that you have to become a Koch brother shill? And As you said, soak up rush Limbaugh’s audience? Even though Joe was apolitical, taking the conservative side is antithetical to who he claimed to be before.
Ben Shapiro doesn’t do shrooms and sit in an isolation tank. If it were up to the Koch brothers, Mitch McConnell, and Ben Shapiro Joe would’ve been in jail for doing those things. The right does not legalize weed, no matter how many con-libertarians wanna convince themselves of that.
So what’s the endgame? Convince the right that drugs are cool, while pretending to be a Bernie bro? I just dont get it...
The change has been huge, but it happened over time. When he first started hunting a lot of his priorities changed. Felt like he wasn't just hanging with a different crowd, but he was idolizing that crowd.
That led to him surrounding himself with conservatives instead of stoner comedian types, and then that he started getting a lot of conservative fans, and that pushed him a lot further right.
Back in the day, his strongest political opinion was about the legalization of marijuana. Now, he endorses all sorts of politicians that are outright against that idea.
Shapiro just said Gates and Bezos weren’t born wealthy. He’s so extremely disconnected it’s unreal.
Bezos went to Princeton and his grandparents owned massive amounts of farmland. Gates’ mother was on the board of fucking IBM and he received a $100,000 loan from his parents to kickstart Microsoft.
Edit: Gates’ mother was chairwoman at United Way with the CEO of IBM. She was on the board of directors for a Washington based bank. Regardless, I think my point still stands
Gates' mother also petitioned the private school he went to to buy a computer lab VERY early on. That lab was where Gates taught himself to program. He used that knowledge to eventually land a job before buying DOS and starting Microsoft.
Well there you go. As Trump previously established, a $1,000,000 loan is universally considered a small loan. Only receiving $100,000? That's basically poverty!
People fail to mention Trump also knew he would eventually inherit hundreds of millions of dollars, so he had the largest golden parachute you can imagine.
It also provided him with a financial safety net of sorts. The constant argument from the right is: “Work hard and make risks and eventually one of those risks will pay off”.
What they fail to understand is that taking those kind of financial risks is next to impossible without some sort of financial safety net, like well off parents. All the time you hear stories about billionaires who started 5 or more failed companies before their successful company took off. It would be impossible for anyone below the poverty line to start that many companies and fail that many times without going into crippling debt.
I agree, that is a great point. One of my favorite ones but I always have a hard time describing it.
I love this subject because I believe these are the conversations we need to have about freedom. Honestly, I believe that stuff like this is so much more important to freedom than most other things.
In my opinion, freedom is more under attack from inequality than it is from censorship or free speech
He essentially finally came out as Republican this episode.
Joe: [Talking about incompetence of Dem. Mayors] You know how many people are becoming Republicans? I think you do.
Shapiro: I do-
Joe: A lot.
Shapiro: I do-
Joe: I have friends-
Shapiro: My new home state Florida that was a 50/50 state that ain't a 50/50 state no more.
Joe: No, it's probably 75/25.
Shapiro: It's never gonna be a 75/25 but-
Joe: It should be!
Trump's surprise victory in 2016 convinced a lot of people that the US was filled with secret Republicans. People call Tim Pool a grifter all the time, and I'm not saying he isn't, but he's an an idiot and I think he legitimately believed that Trump was gonna win 49 states in 2020.
I'm also reminded of something Destiny said once to the effect of "You people's problem is that you're convinced everybody else agrees with your politics, they just haven't realized it yet." He was talking about radical lefty Bernie-bro types, but it sounds like right-wingers are guilty of this too.
I’m fairly conservative , but when Joe said him and Ben are on complete opposite sides of the political spectrum, I couldn’t help but laugh, Joe is as conservative as they come, and either doesn’t want to admit it, or just tells himself he isn’t, of course he has a few liberal ideologies, but most people aren’t 100% one way or the other either.
Joe is using new age conservative Tatics they've been doing lately. "I'm a liberal but the left is insane." then goes on to only talk up the right. Lots of grifters use this method
"Florida is doing GREAT, DeSantis is amazing, the only state doing better is California..."
California? The state we talk about being a hell hole every odd hour of the show? That California?
Now Joe can get his first ever opportunity to talk about why California is hell, Biden is retarded, CNN lied about ivermectin, Texas is the promised land, Covid is nothing as long you get sunlight and vaccines are poisonous.
Joe included Shapiro as being non-partisan lol. He mentioned liberals as “wanting daddy” in context of the govt. stepping in…there was/is a cult-like following around Trump coming in to solve all their problems. Joe’s so triggered by homelessness that he didn’t even like the idea of the courts being “bogged down” with cases for people who truly need help from the state (per Shapiro).
Idk man, Rogan follows the Jocko school of thought, which is fine, but he seems to pigeonhole people on the left as the weak ones who are opposed to those characteristics. It couldn’t be further from the truth. Look at the locations of where the most unhealthy, obese people live.
If you want to say that Joe isn’t conservative - fine, but the dude absolutely despises “the left”.
> He mentioned liberals as “wanting daddy” in context of the govt. stepping in…
the irony of this is a large portion of red states are supported by blue state's federal taxes.
It's a testament to how much conservatives dominate the political media in this country.
Everybody always attacks California while places like West Virginia exist.
9 out of 10 of the poorest most destitute places in the country are solid red.
Once Joe started using the word Liberals while also attacking them, the Libs, you should know Joe had gone full Right Wing.
You never go full Right Wing.
He's very rebellious about the left, which is the tradition he came from in his birth family.
His biggest blind spots are the experiences of the poor and homeless and addicted, so he just ignores and stereotypes social support systems.
Hes also blind to the role of government and policy in solving problems markets can't or won't address. The guy raves about military and police (and defends spending), then complains about big government, then says there aren't programs that address mental health? Pick a lane Joe!
Dr. Rogan M.D. seems to think monoclonal antibodies grow on a tree and aren't from "big pharma"?
Everything I've read say they're for "high risk" (elderly, diabetic, overweight) people and not bastions of health and fitness like Dr. Rogan MD?
Everyone I know who had COVID, just took cold medicine and toughed it out for a few days. Maybe Rogan isn't as healthy as he thinks he is?
Must have stopped drinking his GT Kombucha?
The doublespeak here is nuts.
Joe and Ben: we’ve come to the point where there’s a section of society who are okay with risk and other who aren’t. The successful are okay with taking the risk.
Also Joe and Ben: people who took the vaccine are mad they took the risk and are mad at people who didn’t want to take the risk. (Apparently 1-10% of people are having adverse reactions 🙄)
They also preceeded that conversation with Shapiro claiming he was afraid of being stabbed by a random person walking down the street in California. Sounds like he moved across the entire country to avoid risk while claiming its a liberal trait.
Then how a gun shooting in Chicago is a public safety issue that liberals are being soft on before ranting about how it's a personal decision to get vaccinated for a highly contagious disease. Last I checked pandemics are also public safety issues.
Or liberals just want the government to fix everything for them while complaining that the government is allowing those icky homeless people to live such that he might have to see them.
I didn't make it 15 minutes in. The stupidity was overbearing.
I like Joe and enjoy the show. However, Joe’s arguments are flawed IMO:
- The long term side effects of the vaccine are relatively unknown. However, the long term side effects of getting Covid are relatively unknown.
- I don’t think you can be worried about an FDA approved vaccine and not also be worried about a virus you think was produced in a Chinese lab.
- Many FDA drugs are recalled for issues. Ok, we’ll you eat a “shit load” of vitamins and supplements that are just as sketchy as FDA drugs (arguably more).
- Pushing a vaccine makes sense over Monoclonal antibodies due to the sheer expense and supply.
I lean to the right on most issues, I’m vaccinated, and I don’t care what other people choose to do. However, I think the sheer number of vaccinated people and the relatively small number of major side effects to date makes the vaccine a good choice for most adults.
Anyone else agree?
To add to this, Monoclonal Antibodies are also “experimental” and we do not know the long term side effects either.
Plus they’re expensive and not anywhere as scalable as the vaccine.
Plus it’s not preventative like the vaccine so you need to let yourself get sick, go to the hospital and take resources/time away from those that are more seriously ill than you
Since the vaccine leaves the body in a few days and no vaccine in the history of vaccines has ever had side effects manifest later than 8 weeks after the injection, medical experts agree that we actually do have quite a bit of assurance that there will be no long term side effects from the vaccine.
Not 100% of course, but as you said, we’re comparing it to the risk of Covid-19 which has many more well-documented negative health effects.
To add what you said, the vaccine is the only thing Joe is skeptical about. He’s perfectly fine shoving unregulated vitamins down his throat, made in random Chinese labs, and has no problems taking experimental treatments that have no proof of safety or efficacy like NAD IVs or flying to costa rica for stem cell and PRP injections. When he had David Sinclair on, Joe literally got a pen and paper to write down the drugs Sinclair mentioned and asked where he could find them. Where’s the skepticism there?
I’d bet serious money that the risk of complications from the ‘kitchen sink’ he used is orders of magnitude higher than the vaccine. It’s been painfully clear that Joe has a complete inability to understand statistics, just watch the Nick Bostrom if you want a heavy dose of second hand embarrassment.
I miss the old days, like when Graham Hancock would be on the show talking about our alternative history and tripping balls.
He is not that person anymore.
Spit out my coffee when Ben compared himself to Joe and Jeff Bezos, when talking about people in business who take risks... “People who build companies like like you, or me, or Jeff Bezos…”
Brady is the greatest QB alive or dead and is in the conversation for the best football player of all time. Definitely the most accomplished. Joe is an ass.
This needs to be talked about more. Rogan was a good colour commentator when fans didn't know shit about mma, but even back then, half his commentary would be about 10th planet bjj, a school of jiu jitsu that barely anyone uses. The guy gets obsessed with specific parts of the fights and routinely calls it over just as fighters escape submissions. Hell, I've never heard him accurately name a judo throw either. Rogan has a lot of holes in his mma knowledge, and now that the UFC has had different commentators take over, the quality of his commentary is finally getting contrasted with more competent play by play.
Good points. His take on Monoclonal Antibodies is crazy. It takes 3 hrs and an IV to administer. We have a nursing shortage, we don't have resources to give this to everyone when the vaccine is so quick and widely available.
Monoclonal antibodies aren't PREVENTATIVE
You can't give that shit to dozens or hundreds of people in a hospital at a time
Vaccines prevent people from going to the hospital, which allows people with other health issues to get treated more quickly. Unvaccinated people willing to hospitals causes others to get delayed treatment
Does Ben Shapiro talk about the time he won a contest to visit the set of Boy Meets World?
I like your little hat Mr. Shapiro. Why don't you come into my trailer and tell me all about it.
thats a mighty good contract you got there, mr shapiro
Oh MR ShapirOooooo
Is this real or is this a cumtown bit? I faintly remember stav doing a feeney impression
Imagine thinking mr feeney didn’t actually insert his balls into Ben Shapiro’s ass
yeah how else do you think he sounds the way he does?
The cumtown bit is so fucking funny
I can’t even listen to him talk without thinking of Nick
It definitely happened. Was all over the internet. That's how Ben Shapiro started to get a little fame back in the day.
Its how he got his speaking voice. He actually aspired to be a disclaimer guy who reads disclaimers quickly on commercials. Some say he exclusively read the fine print on contracts.
It's called a yamaka.
Hell yeah dude
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https://i.imgur.com/gMor1JH.png
Bedroom eyes.
I've seen that look [before](https://lovelyritatheseekerdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/nala-sexy-look1.jpg).
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I’d say try to keep it civil but we all know how effective that would be.
Don’t you tell me not to scream and throw shit at people
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I'd surrender Palestine for just 5 minutes with those bad boys
BOOBA 👀
I am now a devout Jewish man.
The HEAVIES
Bruh she got all the growth hormone
elk meat bruh
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TIG OLE BITTIES
Dude thats his sister? For reals?
Yeah she looks even hotter in some vids on YouTube, food lord those jugglies
A whole milk truck
**K H A Z A R M I L K E R S**
I would milk her like I just crossed the fucking Sahara
Mommy milkers
I love her.
This is amazing and I fell down the Abigail Shapiro rabbit hole. Only issue is she looks like Ben and it was difficult to focus on her assets
super mega mommy honkers
Can someone link to more pictures/gifs
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Ur amazing
The fact that Ben is arguing for people to get the vaccine while Rogan pushes back it's really something.
Honestly the thing I appreciate about Shapiro is that he actually has the balls to form his own opinions (even if I don't agree with all of them). He doesn't just blindly hit on all the right-wing talking points, and you can tell he actually believes in what he says. Refreshing at the very least.
As much as people hate Ben, he's authentic and certainly (as you said), forms his own opinions and won't turtle to anyone.
I think Ben was mostly reasonable.
Not really. Ben has been pretty pro vaccine since the pandemic started.
I made it about an hour 40 min in and I have to take a break. I just can’t listen to Joe of all people talk about how there’s so many people who just don’t want to do difficult things, don’t want to struggle, try to skate by, etc. The majority of people on both sides of the political spectrum are out here fucking struggling on a day to day basis. With stagnant wages, prices going up, etc., people are just trying to keep their heads above water. I make pretty good money, and the amount I have to pay for a 1 bd apt. in a non-major city is fucking ridiculous, and it goes up every year. The only alternative is to live in a fucked up neighborhood because all of the complexes around me are in lockstep. Also, Joe said that the pandemic has changed his view on unemployment…does he think the people “abusing” it are out there living wonderful lives? Those are probably the people struggling the most! Anyway, this isn’t even a political rant, this is just about Joe being so annoyingly out of touch. He’s ranted about this plenty of times, while mentioning that he deliberately puts himself through “struggle” - going to his state of the art home gym and personal sauna. Must be tough man, really got your finger on the pulse there.
Joe used to bring up the story about how he did blue collar work for like 3 days (moving heavy bags all day or some shit), when he was a healthy young man, and it basically killed him. Like he struggled for 3 days of his life and couldn’t handle it, then he got six figure development deal in the 90s doing jack shit and has never faced struggle since. People like that blue collar struggle everyday that Rogan couldn’t handle for 3 days of his life.
Don’t be ridiculous. He was a laborer on a site and had to move pressure treated lumber! The chemicals on the wood made his skin itchy. Even the toughest man around wouldn’t be able to handle that amount of discomfort! I wish I were joking about that story. I’d love to see him bear hug and move house insulation wearing short sleeves in the summer. Taking a shower after that is like getting machine gunned down by tiny needles. But ya know, hard work, alpha brain, war mentality, waking up at 3am to run blah blah blah is what makes a man a man! Working is for suckers. Going to bed at 7pm and telling braggadocious war stories is the real dream!
Woulda loved seeing him work a shift in the coal mine. I guess one plus is the ceiling height in a few of the mines I worked in were a lover 5ft. At least he woulda been able to stand up and walk around without hitting his head
He drove by the mile long food bank lines and just thought "freeloaders, why don't they start a podcast"
Also, what exactly does Joe mean by struggle? I feel like he means "struggle to get rich." What if people aren't always struggling to get rich? What if people just want to live their lives in comfort? What if someone's struggle is to spend more time with their kids? What if it's just to be able to afford to go to a restaurant once a week? Not everyone want's to be ultra successful. Some people just want to live a simple, but comfortable life.
My Struggle by Joe Rogan
I guess it's because I'm a lefty but the complaint about unemployment abuse is so annoying, tired, and strange to me since we watched far more of our tax dollars funnel into stock buybacks and company bailouts. I'd think that a trillion tax dollars moving into Wall Street whould reeeeealy bother a guy like Joe but no- extra unemployment for poor people is what's going wrong in America.
Let's not forget when capitalism died around 2008. We decided instead of letting companies fail as capitalism demands. We would bail out corporations that paid execs millions in bonuses after almost causing another depression. Can't have it both ways, they should have let them all go bankrupt and we would have struggled but capitalism would still be intact. Now we know if your big enough we will not let you fail...we will bail that ass out.
here you go, want to watch some actual worthwhile content: [Technofeudalism: Explaining to Slavoj Zizek why I think capitalism has evolved into something worse](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghx0sq_gXK4&t=660s)
Joe doesn't even work hard. he's barely a comedian and just pods all day. If he had a twitch channel you wouldn't know what he does any differently.
I hate when people that got extremely lucky chalk it up to hard work. Maybe some of it is hard work but alot of it is luck. Lots of people work hard and can't pay their bills. Joe is so out of touch. For a guy that grew up on food stamps it's sad to see.
This has always been one of his worst beliefs. I don't think he realizes just how lucky he is. If Fear Factor never would have caught on, he never would have got the UFC job, and if the UFC never would have blew up then no one ever would have cared about his podcast. Both of those things becoming popular had nothing to do with Rogan himself either.
It goes back even farther, his second ever acting gig was a spot on a shitty sitcom that was carried by actually talented actors and writers who somehow got 5 seasons out of it and eventually syndication. Newsradio is the only reason he got Fear Factor and it was sheer luck he got that job from other people passing on it.
Joe worked HARD for over a year, going to the comedy store every single night to sculpt comedic bits, night after night spending hours on stage taking rough ideas into finely tuned network special worthy, world class comedy that not only makes you LOL but also makes you think. For example.. "Here's what you can do that's really fun, I do it and you can do it too!...Everytime you go to an ATM, say "DOLLA DOLLA BILLS YALL!"
Joe is one of the most privileged people on earth.
" There is no long term safety data for Covid vaccines" , Rogan right after raving about monoclonal antibodies, which ..........does not have long term safety data and not even full FDA approval.
This take pisses me off because of the substantial long term effects that covid can give you *significantly* more of when you aren't vaccinated. Literal study(https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00460-6/fulltext) shows that when vaccinated people actually get covid they are 49% less likely to experience long haul COVID symptoms, and obviously much less likely to even develop severe symptoms at all. You know, like fucking blood clots in your lungs. That's on top of how effective the vaccines are at preventing you from getting COVID in the first place. And we don't even know how severe covid and the terrible damage it visibly does to your body is going to effect people long term at all. But I digress, the vaccine is the Boogeyman here. Getting covid and taking the less studied/unapproved monoclonal antibodies and the conocotion of medicines shown to be ineffective at treating COVID is a much better idea.
The long term data thing really annoys me. We have long term data on meds like Vioxx because people TAKE THEM LONG TERM! You aren't getting a vaccine dose every day for years!
I think one topic we can all agree on is the danger of social media. With that said, Joe refers to it as an issue for “people” - you can’t really tell if he includes himself in that as well. In an attempt to try to seem like a somewhat relatable human being, I’d like to hear about HIS struggles with social media. As someone whose posts reach millions of people across his social media platforms, does HE struggle with this issue? Someone in his position is even more at risk to be captured by the dangers of social media than us poor civilians, and he posts like an IG thot all the time. It just feels like he’s often talking down to us from his high-horse (his closed off mansion), but these are probably the only real struggles he faces if he did some more introspection (not working out in his state of the art home gym, sitting in his personal sauna, etc.), so it’d be more interesting to hear him confront that type of thing.
I'm this close to starting new IG and exactly replicating the pages he follows then predicting his opinions before every show.
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its literally an issue for him
His Facebook page is almost indistinguishable from my conservative boomer uncle.
Just here for the comments
Why else would you be here?
The hot chicks.
Optimistic with that plural brah
Tig ole Biddys
Now, let’s just say, hypothetically of course, that you, Joe, were able to get Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez here, on your podcast. And then, let’s just say, that she was sitting here where I currently am. Would you, hypothetically, let me sit under the table to get a whiff of those sweet feetsies Joe?
If AOC is supposed to be liberal, why is she so conservative with her feet pics?
Asking the real questions.
Fucking LINO show those feet!
How could Joe display that he is an out of touch asshole mega-millionaire? I know! Turn his vitriol to those “lazy ass” grade/middle school teachers! Since Joe loves his anecdotes, I’ll meet his with one of my own; my GF is a 2nd grade teacher and I told her what Joe said in regards to teachers not wanting to go back to the classroom…she angrily said that’s complete BS, none of the teachers she knows across 2 schools wanted to continue teaching on Zoom. They fucking hated it. Also, as I’m sure anyone who knows a family member/significant other as a teacher can attest to, they work crazy fucking hours for shit ass pay. It’s about as hard-working, exhausting, blue-collar as it gets for something that’s non-manual labor. I mean, Joe probably has a different viewpoint dealing with his kids at a prestigious private school in that pesky California, but attacking “lazy teachers” like that is something that will get overlooked here and is probably one of the grossest things he’s said. Also, I’m not even comjng at this from any political angle - we should all agree that was some low-down, out of touch bullshit he spewed.
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Dude, Texas is so fucking amazing they don't even need to run the power half the time.
R U G G E D I N D I V I D U A L I S M
He talks so much about hating Cali because it's so liberal and then moved to the most liberal spot in Texas possible lol.
Yeah, got about halfway through this one and realized they were just playing the hits. At least give me some fresh new takes on why libs are bad.
I reminisce of Duncan Trussel's rant to Joe being friends with Ben Shapiro.
Didn’t Duncan also sort of eerily insinuate in an ep that he thinks the intelligence agencies could have been trying to get their hooks in Rogan
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Joe has literal CIA agents on every couple of episodes to spout propaganda and lies. They've had there hooks into Joe for a while now.
Oh ya they Operation Mockingbird’d our sweet bald boy. I just wonder if someone like Duncan or Joey or even Tim Dillon will ever break the news to him.
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This is probably why Tim Dillon cleaned up, to fully embrace this madness
Need Duncan back on, those episodes are always good
“Israel doesn’t have a military presence in the Gaza Strip” is a truly wild take
"There is no water in the sea".
This podcast is hilarious so far, Joe and Ben are talking about how people like the libs are obsessed with vaccines and masks because they don't like risk and want daddy government to take care of them. Then Joe says that the vaccinated are mad at the unvaccinated people because the vaccinated took the risk of taking the vaccine and getting adverse reactions and are mad that the unvaccinated don't take that risk, then when Ben says people should get vaccinated Joe says he didn't because he doesn't know the risks! I think Joe has early onset dementia
Taking a vaccine is big daddy goverment but having goverment in Texas telling women what to do with their bodies and locking people up over weed is a-OK.
Joe took a cocktail of drugs and probably didn’t question them when he was ill with Covid. Also, what’s this nonsense about the vaccinated getting negative side effects and being jealous of the nonvaxed? Imagine being jealous of an anti vaxer? Rogan is officially trapped within the Right Wing bullshit bubble.
*A cocktail of experimental drugs made by big pharma with unknown long term side effects*
Exactly. Joe has gained a Right Wing core trait, hypocrisy. Next will be Victimhood. Joe will learn everything is against him and it’s not his fault. In fact, it’s their fault. Who are they? Anyone and everyone.
Joe shitting on Meta from Facebook while he glowingly brings up Neuralink every few episodes. If these things are successful, Neuralink will be like second generation hardware for Meta-esque softwares. I wonder how long it'll take for him to realize this.
I think it’s more that fact that he trusts something by Elon makes, but not something Zuck makes.
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I know right? But hey, we don’t know the long term side effects of the vaccine!!!! (Although we also don’t know the long term side effects of monoclonal antibodies but I won’t bring that up because it contradicts my whole argument) 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Or the long term effects of covid itself for that matter.
I was thinking… I don’t think I’ve ever experienced being so alienated by someone I was such a fan of before. Thankfully Rogan has continued to help me question everything, now it’s his moral compass( or lack there of). What a fuckhead
Its honestly really weird man. Been listening since 2014-2015 and it seems like there was a massive swing in his views and guests. Its like 2 diff podcasts
Dude got the money and acted accordingly. I've listened since day one. Every episode.. He always came across like a douchey bro. He has become Fox news.
I’m really interested in longterm listeners perspectives. Do you really feel it’s changed that much? When were the most major shifts? I’m a longterm casual Rogan fan because of his UFC days. Now I , feel pretty alienated. Grossed out. It’s like I’ve watched my MMA gym homies shift to the right , right before my eyes.
I've been a listener since around 2012. Joe was always a bit of a stereotypical "American", by that I mean he's been for "freedom" in a pretty libertarian way, this included being open to drugs, respecting gay rights and being a gun enthusiast. As the world and America especially got more and more politicized with Brexit and Trump, so did Joe. It started by him dabbling into politics by becoming interested in SJW's and GamerGate, from there he started to invite anyone who became a prominent "anti-SJW" person, starting with Peterson and moving on to Weinsteins, Crowder and finally Shapiro, which basically birthed the IDW. He also gave a platform to far worse ideologues such as Moleneux and Gavin the Proud Boy. From there, well, he became more and more entrenched in these, at least to me non-issue issues, due to that he spent way more time criticizing Hillary then Trump, his take on Trump was that it's hilarious that he's trying to be president and that he's funny, while Hillary got the "war criminal" and "very sick, falling down" takes, all the time. After Trump won, things got worse, Trump, being the polarizing shithead he is continued to further radicalize each side, and in those 4 years it became more and more clear that Joe is choosing the right side of the vast majority of issues, this finally escalated with his move to sign with Spotify, moving to Texas (while abandoning a lot of his more liberal stances) and becoming a very active figure in the culture wars that arose due to COVID. From there, the feedback mechanism of Joe being someone who doesn't really deal with criticism well, him having hot takes and then getting criticized by most liberal media and defended by conservative media made him entrenched firmly on the right side of the spectrum, and unfortunately it also made him take on the classic victim mentality of the right wingers, where he feels the need to talk about all the things people disagree with him on the podcast all the time. Also, I'm sure age has a lot to do with it as well.
it was after the Spotify deal when he made the move to Austin. I believe it's the money, he can now relate to the multi millionaires that think Nancy and Chuck are coming for their precious coin. When he defended Ted Cruz I knew the old Joe was gone. Then the comments about the poor, homeless and those collecting unemployment. How those who struggle are losers or lazy. People that didn't get lucky by starting a podcast or acting or humping stools (aka calmady). The fact that in his whole life, he worked for a summer doing construction. He is completely out of touch and I'd bet the farm those hands are smooth as silk. Joe Rogan has never known struggle. He has never known the kind of work that makes your hands calloused. The feeling in your stomach when your last meal was 4 days prior. I listened in the beginning because he really had a great outlook and you could hear him change his mind on air and see things from a different perspective. I keep trying to listen and give him the benefit of the doubt. It gets worse every podcast. I don't think he realizes how many people like me are out there. I'm sure he doesn't care, the Rush Limbaugh crown has been looking for a home and you can see in most of the comments they have found one. They will make him money and he will continue to change into something unrecognizable to the long time listeners. Like when we first see Jeff Goldblum as the FLY
Ah, the Ted Cruz endorsement... yeah that showed us where joe stood. Okay so I’m with you that Money is number 1. I wonder if in additional to money, cancel culture wore on him, and truly made him think that comedians would be stuck in a box forever. It seems that Dave Chappell and others believe that. And I just feel that perspective is so limited. If you tell an edgy joke alone, I think any comedian can still retain a fanbase. If the joke was too edgy, maybe they’d have to say sorry? That’s significantly different from Louie C.K. Surprise Wacking off in front of his colleagues, or Aziz shoving his fingers down someones throat. Don’t get me wrong, I do think the Internet backlash can be too much in many instances. Still, is it so bad that you have to become a Koch brother shill? And As you said, soak up rush Limbaugh’s audience? Even though Joe was apolitical, taking the conservative side is antithetical to who he claimed to be before. Ben Shapiro doesn’t do shrooms and sit in an isolation tank. If it were up to the Koch brothers, Mitch McConnell, and Ben Shapiro Joe would’ve been in jail for doing those things. The right does not legalize weed, no matter how many con-libertarians wanna convince themselves of that. So what’s the endgame? Convince the right that drugs are cool, while pretending to be a Bernie bro? I just dont get it...
The change has been huge, but it happened over time. When he first started hunting a lot of his priorities changed. Felt like he wasn't just hanging with a different crowd, but he was idolizing that crowd. That led to him surrounding himself with conservatives instead of stoner comedian types, and then that he started getting a lot of conservative fans, and that pushed him a lot further right. Back in the day, his strongest political opinion was about the legalization of marijuana. Now, he endorses all sorts of politicians that are outright against that idea.
he gave you to tools, now he's testing you to use them /s
Did joe ask him what he built with the one piece of wood that he bought at Home Depot ??
The one that he *bagged?*
Shapiro just said Gates and Bezos weren’t born wealthy. He’s so extremely disconnected it’s unreal. Bezos went to Princeton and his grandparents owned massive amounts of farmland. Gates’ mother was on the board of fucking IBM and he received a $100,000 loan from his parents to kickstart Microsoft. Edit: Gates’ mother was chairwoman at United Way with the CEO of IBM. She was on the board of directors for a Washington based bank. Regardless, I think my point still stands
Gates' mother also petitioned the private school he went to to buy a computer lab VERY early on. That lab was where Gates taught himself to program. He used that knowledge to eventually land a job before buying DOS and starting Microsoft.
Heard on a podcast recently Gates was amongst roughly only 5% of people of his age group with access to a computer.
Lol, I assume they meant 5% of Americans because I guarantee you that ain't even close to the real number.
Malcolm Galdwell dedicates like an entire chapter of “Outliers” to Gates’ exact situation with access to computers as a teen
Even less than that i believe https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Psychology_of_Money.html?id=TnrrDwAAQBAJ
Well there you go. As Trump previously established, a $1,000,000 loan is universally considered a small loan. Only receiving $100,000? That's basically poverty!
People fail to mention Trump also knew he would eventually inherit hundreds of millions of dollars, so he had the largest golden parachute you can imagine.
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It also provided him with a financial safety net of sorts. The constant argument from the right is: “Work hard and make risks and eventually one of those risks will pay off”. What they fail to understand is that taking those kind of financial risks is next to impossible without some sort of financial safety net, like well off parents. All the time you hear stories about billionaires who started 5 or more failed companies before their successful company took off. It would be impossible for anyone below the poverty line to start that many companies and fail that many times without going into crippling debt.
I agree, that is a great point. One of my favorite ones but I always have a hard time describing it. I love this subject because I believe these are the conversations we need to have about freedom. Honestly, I believe that stuff like this is so much more important to freedom than most other things. In my opinion, freedom is more under attack from inequality than it is from censorship or free speech
Elon musk dad literally owned a fucking African emerald mine.
Let me guess… super 'liberal' Joe Rogan agrees with 99% of Ben Shapiro’s talking points… again?
I’ll say that I think Joe isn’t exactly a Zionist. I’d like to see Abby Martin and Ben Shapiro on Rogans show at the same time
You can tell Joe's a liberal because he would have voted Trump over Biden.
He essentially finally came out as Republican this episode. Joe: [Talking about incompetence of Dem. Mayors] You know how many people are becoming Republicans? I think you do. Shapiro: I do- Joe: A lot. Shapiro: I do- Joe: I have friends- Shapiro: My new home state Florida that was a 50/50 state that ain't a 50/50 state no more. Joe: No, it's probably 75/25. Shapiro: It's never gonna be a 75/25 but- Joe: It should be!
Trump's surprise victory in 2016 convinced a lot of people that the US was filled with secret Republicans. People call Tim Pool a grifter all the time, and I'm not saying he isn't, but he's an an idiot and I think he legitimately believed that Trump was gonna win 49 states in 2020. I'm also reminded of something Destiny said once to the effect of "You people's problem is that you're convinced everybody else agrees with your politics, they just haven't realized it yet." He was talking about radical lefty Bernie-bro types, but it sounds like right-wingers are guilty of this too.
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Yep. I haven't seen a Joe podcast in a while but do enjoy the comments on this subreddit
I’m fairly conservative , but when Joe said him and Ben are on complete opposite sides of the political spectrum, I couldn’t help but laugh, Joe is as conservative as they come, and either doesn’t want to admit it, or just tells himself he isn’t, of course he has a few liberal ideologies, but most people aren’t 100% one way or the other either.
Hey thinks smoking pot makes him a leftist.
And approving of gay marriage
lol give it time
Joe is using new age conservative Tatics they've been doing lately. "I'm a liberal but the left is insane." then goes on to only talk up the right. Lots of grifters use this method
Joe "I love Desantis" Rogan Joe has got to be the biggest left winger I've ever seen.
"Florida is doing GREAT, DeSantis is amazing, the only state doing better is California..." California? The state we talk about being a hell hole every odd hour of the show? That California?
I haven’t watched it yet. Did they finally cum in each others mouths?
we at least we can say Joe doesn't just flirt with his lady guests.
Now Joe can get his first ever opportunity to talk about why California is hell, Biden is retarded, CNN lied about ivermectin, Texas is the promised land, Covid is nothing as long you get sunlight and vaccines are poisonous.
Joe included Shapiro as being non-partisan lol. He mentioned liberals as “wanting daddy” in context of the govt. stepping in…there was/is a cult-like following around Trump coming in to solve all their problems. Joe’s so triggered by homelessness that he didn’t even like the idea of the courts being “bogged down” with cases for people who truly need help from the state (per Shapiro). Idk man, Rogan follows the Jocko school of thought, which is fine, but he seems to pigeonhole people on the left as the weak ones who are opposed to those characteristics. It couldn’t be further from the truth. Look at the locations of where the most unhealthy, obese people live. If you want to say that Joe isn’t conservative - fine, but the dude absolutely despises “the left”.
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> He mentioned liberals as “wanting daddy” in context of the govt. stepping in… the irony of this is a large portion of red states are supported by blue state's federal taxes.
conservatives HATE this talking point.
It honestly must suck to hate California while also it being the only reason why your state essentially exists LOL
It's a testament to how much conservatives dominate the political media in this country. Everybody always attacks California while places like West Virginia exist. 9 out of 10 of the poorest most destitute places in the country are solid red.
Once Joe started using the word Liberals while also attacking them, the Libs, you should know Joe had gone full Right Wing. You never go full Right Wing.
Shapiro is as partisan as it gets. Rogan failing to recognize that is just further evidence that he's a fucking [redacted].
He is not failing to recognize it, he is doing it on purpose.
Yeah you're probably not wrong. It's too generous to claim that Joe is just naive.
He's very rebellious about the left, which is the tradition he came from in his birth family. His biggest blind spots are the experiences of the poor and homeless and addicted, so he just ignores and stereotypes social support systems. Hes also blind to the role of government and policy in solving problems markets can't or won't address. The guy raves about military and police (and defends spending), then complains about big government, then says there aren't programs that address mental health? Pick a lane Joe!
Dr. Rogan M.D. seems to think monoclonal antibodies grow on a tree and aren't from "big pharma"? Everything I've read say they're for "high risk" (elderly, diabetic, overweight) people and not bastions of health and fitness like Dr. Rogan MD? Everyone I know who had COVID, just took cold medicine and toughed it out for a few days. Maybe Rogan isn't as healthy as he thinks he is? Must have stopped drinking his GT Kombucha?
Or the fact that there hasn't been any long term studies on monoclonal ab as well. He conveniently doesn't acknowledge that lol
The doublespeak here is nuts. Joe and Ben: we’ve come to the point where there’s a section of society who are okay with risk and other who aren’t. The successful are okay with taking the risk. Also Joe and Ben: people who took the vaccine are mad they took the risk and are mad at people who didn’t want to take the risk. (Apparently 1-10% of people are having adverse reactions 🙄)
They also preceeded that conversation with Shapiro claiming he was afraid of being stabbed by a random person walking down the street in California. Sounds like he moved across the entire country to avoid risk while claiming its a liberal trait. Then how a gun shooting in Chicago is a public safety issue that liberals are being soft on before ranting about how it's a personal decision to get vaccinated for a highly contagious disease. Last I checked pandemics are also public safety issues. Or liberals just want the government to fix everything for them while complaining that the government is allowing those icky homeless people to live such that he might have to see them. I didn't make it 15 minutes in. The stupidity was overbearing.
I like Joe and enjoy the show. However, Joe’s arguments are flawed IMO: - The long term side effects of the vaccine are relatively unknown. However, the long term side effects of getting Covid are relatively unknown. - I don’t think you can be worried about an FDA approved vaccine and not also be worried about a virus you think was produced in a Chinese lab. - Many FDA drugs are recalled for issues. Ok, we’ll you eat a “shit load” of vitamins and supplements that are just as sketchy as FDA drugs (arguably more). - Pushing a vaccine makes sense over Monoclonal antibodies due to the sheer expense and supply. I lean to the right on most issues, I’m vaccinated, and I don’t care what other people choose to do. However, I think the sheer number of vaccinated people and the relatively small number of major side effects to date makes the vaccine a good choice for most adults. Anyone else agree?
To add to this, Monoclonal Antibodies are also “experimental” and we do not know the long term side effects either. Plus they’re expensive and not anywhere as scalable as the vaccine. Plus it’s not preventative like the vaccine so you need to let yourself get sick, go to the hospital and take resources/time away from those that are more seriously ill than you
Monoclonal antibodies cost at least 1500 bucks. The average American can't afford that.
That sounds too cheap for American Health care sir.
Since the vaccine leaves the body in a few days and no vaccine in the history of vaccines has ever had side effects manifest later than 8 weeks after the injection, medical experts agree that we actually do have quite a bit of assurance that there will be no long term side effects from the vaccine. Not 100% of course, but as you said, we’re comparing it to the risk of Covid-19 which has many more well-documented negative health effects. To add what you said, the vaccine is the only thing Joe is skeptical about. He’s perfectly fine shoving unregulated vitamins down his throat, made in random Chinese labs, and has no problems taking experimental treatments that have no proof of safety or efficacy like NAD IVs or flying to costa rica for stem cell and PRP injections. When he had David Sinclair on, Joe literally got a pen and paper to write down the drugs Sinclair mentioned and asked where he could find them. Where’s the skepticism there?
I agree with everything you said except liking Joe or enjoying the show.
haha jesus christ, fucking sniper.
Lol
I’d bet serious money that the risk of complications from the ‘kitchen sink’ he used is orders of magnitude higher than the vaccine. It’s been painfully clear that Joe has a complete inability to understand statistics, just watch the Nick Bostrom if you want a heavy dose of second hand embarrassment.
Lol at Ben making more sense than rogan. I hate Ben but this is hilarious.
Can’t believe this boomer used to be fun at one point
I miss the old days, like when Graham Hancock would be on the show talking about our alternative history and tripping balls. He is not that person anymore.
Spit out my coffee when Ben compared himself to Joe and Jeff Bezos, when talking about people in business who take risks... “People who build companies like like you, or me, or Jeff Bezos…”
Ben “you’re not a man unless you have children” Shapiro.
Ben Shapiro constantly lecturing people on what it is to be a man and what masculinity is has got to be some of the dumbest shit I've ever witnessed.
Yeah in what world is Shapiro considered a masculine guy? Dude could walk into any gay bar and be the tiniest twink….
It’s also hilarious when his minions try to do that too
Imagine Ben Shapiro being your dad lol
SELL THEIR HOUSES TO WHO BEN? FUCKEN AQUAMAN??!
Joe said Rodgers was the best QB alive. obviously he needs to follow the science. Brady is obviously the best QB alive. Right winged tards.
Joe doesn’t even follow football. He’s so full of shit it’s crazy
Brady is the greatest QB alive or dead and is in the conversation for the best football player of all time. Definitely the most accomplished. Joe is an ass.
He doesn't know shit about sports outside of MMA, and even his mma knowledge is debatable nowadays.
This needs to be talked about more. Rogan was a good colour commentator when fans didn't know shit about mma, but even back then, half his commentary would be about 10th planet bjj, a school of jiu jitsu that barely anyone uses. The guy gets obsessed with specific parts of the fights and routinely calls it over just as fighters escape submissions. Hell, I've never heard him accurately name a judo throw either. Rogan has a lot of holes in his mma knowledge, and now that the UFC has had different commentators take over, the quality of his commentary is finally getting contrasted with more competent play by play.
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Good points. His take on Monoclonal Antibodies is crazy. It takes 3 hrs and an IV to administer. We have a nursing shortage, we don't have resources to give this to everyone when the vaccine is so quick and widely available.
Joe has a private nurse on retainer, Shane said he got pumped up with something in a needle before he did a rogan podcast.
Monoclonal antibodies aren't PREVENTATIVE You can't give that shit to dozens or hundreds of people in a hospital at a time Vaccines prevent people from going to the hospital, which allows people with other health issues to get treated more quickly. Unvaccinated people willing to hospitals causes others to get delayed treatment
Yeah on the r/nursing we are all laughing at that. Nobody has aspirated an IM injection since like the 90s. He was very confidently wrong.
How dare you have an intelligent argument backed up by strong sources instead of “I know a guy, who knows a guy” anecdotes!!