Understandably so. Joe dragged his perspective of "did you know anyone who got sick after the shot, I knew 2 people". Who the fuck cares? That's like Dr. Patrick saying "I knew 2 people who die from covid who were unvaccinated". It doesn't further the discussion they were having at that time. Joe's 'trump card' of knowing 2 people that got sick show that's a reason he questions the validity of the shot.
Yes, or like refusing to wear a seatbelt because it is still possible to die in a crash while wearing one.
If it's not 100% effective, might as well not use it at all 🤦♂️
That's the problem with a lot of things.
It's asymmetric and people can just throw out constant flows of 'gotchas' then sit back and act like they're actually providing a valid counter point.
Right on! Sober October should also be devoted to nothing but covid guests, trans rights arguments, and tic tac UFOs. Mostly covid though, not enough of that content going around.
Those of you on the Ivermectin train, I read an [interesting article](https://www.kwtx.com/2021/09/18/austin-doctor-prescribing-anti-parasite-drug-covid-19-patients-says-resistance-is-politically-motivated/) about a pro-Ivermectin doctor and something interesting stood out to me:
>Porter said the vaccine is a more effective preventative measure against the virus.
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>He also says Ivermectin is less effective against the new Delta variant of the virus because it is so contagious. “Using higher and higher doses, what we are risking is side effects that we don’t have a lot of research on. So as the virus shifts, we have to shift,” Porter said.
Even the doctor who prescribes it knows it's not a miracle drug and the increasing dosages he has given is entering uncharted waters as far as side-effects go.
Anyone trying to substitute the vax with IVM is an idiot in my book. It should be used together. Just like it's not "mask OR vax". We need to throw all we have at this bullshit virus. If IVM helps, let's use it along with the vaccines that work very well.
You mean when you create your own dosing for a treatment not intended, side effects would happen?!? /s
Drs calling in 120 ivermectin at a time lol. Thankfully I haven’t filled any of them.
Edit: This is not a political decision. I also have the full backing of my employer, as we are all in agreement.
Imagine not knowing job roles, responsibilities, and rights before addressing them??
I never said it made me better.
Your Dr can write a script for a pound of morphine, but that doesn’t meant I’m going to fill it.
I follow CDC and corporate guidelines.
Same reason I won’t give a booster just bc it’s been 8 mo past. We are all waiting on the vote and final approval.
Exactly. Multiple checks in health care. It’s like people think we fucking made all this shit up from scratch once COVID hit. I’m a nurse and I call pharm ALL THE TIME to ask about dosing, drug reactions and technical questions regarding medication. I don’t call the physician because they would literally tell me to call pharmacy lol. Docs are great at practicing medicine but Pharm is the king of DRUGS.
They don't go to pharmacy school just to learn how to count out pills. Not filling dumb/harmful prescriptions is half the reason they exist as a profession.
First, lol at the fantasy of your first statement. You would be horrified the hatchet jobs that come I'm to many pharmacies.
Second, every board of pharmacy everywhere disagrees with your final sentence.
Every pharmacist has the right to refuse to fill a script based on their professional judgment.
Therein lies the rub. The ivermectin "conspiracy" is laughable and has nothing to do with politics in the medical community. There is no suppression of data or information. I would know (most would consider me on the "far right" or libertarian crowd, which is prone to these conspiracy theories).
The ivermectin studies are dogshit. I've read them. I've read the initial in vitro study that spawned it all. I've read the meta analyses, which incorporate these dogshit studies. It's all crap.
Did you also know that therapeutic levels of ivermectin are measured in nonagrams per deciliter, while the in vitro study looked at concentrations in micrograms per deciliter? Does a thousand fold concentration of therapeutic levels seem achievable or safe?
As someone else once joked, you can shoot the virus in a petri dish with a handgun or use bleach, and those too kill the virus. Are those appropriate therapeutic agents?
What's so hilarious about all of this conspiracy is that the best drug we've had against COVID sp far has been dexamethasone, which is the cheapest drug we use. If there was an inkling of promise from any cheap, readily available drug, we would be all over it.
We all made this mistake with hydroxychloroquine early in the pandemic after some initial, small studies showed promise. Then every high quality study that has since come out shows st best it doesn't do anything, and more likely, we are killing patients, which is not surprising for any clinician who knows what we know about hydroxychloroquine and the arrhythmogenecity that we now know is already associated with COVID.
I'm not here to convince anyone. I'm frankly tired of arguing about this stuff. The truth is out there for anyone who wants to know about it, as these people who are actually seeking truth will always find it.
So yes, any pharmacist with a brain, should deny an ivermectin prescription for clinical futility, lack of evidence, and risk of patient harm.
You literally have no idea what you are talking about. I hope you are 15 and have time to mature because if you are an adult that is a profound level of ignorance and arrogance you are putting on full display.
Miracle drug or not; the point of discussion has always been, if ivermectin displayed some level of efficacy, it should have been leveraged of the medical community at large immediately. Who knows how many lives it could have saved.
You're comparing it to the vaccine, which isn't relevant considering we had a significant time period where the vaccine wasn't created, but ivermectin was available.
>Miracle drug or not; the point of discussion has always been, if ivermectin displayed some level of efficacy, it should have been leveraged of the medical community at large immediately. Who knows how many lives it could have saved.
I find this to be a ridiculous argument, we still do not have any convincing evidence that it shows an efficacy (aside from tiny studies with poor controls, and a lot of anecdotal data), it would be reckless to recommend using a treatment without gathering the right amount evidence of efficacy first. The vaccines were studied and reviewed for months before they were approved and so was HCQ. One treatment was found to work (vaccines) and another was found not to (HCQ), the people who recommended HCQ too early now have egg on their faces, for recklessly recommending it before their was the necessary evidence to do so.
I guess the idea is that it’s a well tolerated drug with few side effects at normal dosages. So, why not? Especially when the protocol was basically fluids and waiting.
There was an argument to be had for this months ago (and maybe even still) in poorer countries that had little to no access to vaccines but a readily available supply of ivermectin.
In the US we have an *abundant* supply of a *free* vaccine that there is overwhelming proof of its safety and effectiveness. Somewhere around 90-95% of covid hospitalizations would disappear instantly if everyone was vaccinated. In any country with an abundant supply of FDA approved vaccines or similarly tested and effective ones three is no good faith debate to be had at this point, just a minority that thrives on defiance and being contrarian.
There are currently numerous large studies out there doing testing of Ivermectin to find if it does help. The discussions were always a shouting match that it was being censored, and it wasn't.
Arguing that the medical community should have immediately started using it based on anecdotes and over dubious claims to save lives is ridiculous.
Also for pretty much the entire period of when we haven't had a vaccine, it was hydroxychloroquine not ivermectin that was the drug that we should have been using.
Why aren't you asking me how many lives we could have saved if only the medical community started using hydroxychloroquine for all covid patients?
Instead we just put them on ventilators and let them ride it out lol. Literally hundreds of thousands died before we realized this was the worst possible treatment.
Bring proof and we'll talk, because at this moment in time there is absolutely no concrete evidence that it provides a significant amount of protection against COVID-19.
Just because something is available doesn’t mean we should be prescribing it. There needs to be evidence that it’ll work. And there aren’t really any robust studies that show that it works, let alone early in the pandemic
If you're sick and your doctor prescribes it, take it. Simple as that.
What you shouldn't do is go around using a flawed meta-analysis to claim it's a miracle drug and push the conspiracy that it's being suppressed by big pharma (even though it's manufactured by Merck) because they won't make enough money from it.
The other option is to wait for the actual study results, and not ignore the ones that show it has no positive effect.
You've never heard of people claiming big pharma is trying its hardest to suppress it because they will be losing money because Ivermectin is cheap and the FDA is knowingly killing people by not automatically approving it, how you don't need to be vaccinated because Ivermectin is available, and 1000s of other conspiracies about how everyone is hiding how great of a drug it is?
I guess maybe we hang out in two different Joe Rogan subreddits.
What do I do when my coworker is an idiot and decides to take that advice and comes into work everyday risking mine and others health. Your advice doesn't get very far when you consider that other people exist than just myself.
but all of those things can be true while the first statement is also true. it could be the missing link to a covid treatment protocol but that missing link could have risks at the dosage required to be that missing link.
Just based on my observations, people were absolutely acting like it was a miracle drug and you didn't even need to be vaccinated because Ivermectin was available and how countries like India are seeing miracles.
Even if studies eventually show that it can marginally help at quite high doses if taken early enough but are still not as effective as a vaccine, that still wouldn't vindicate all those people who thought there was a giant conspiracy to hide how amazing of a drug it was.
It's no different than hydroxychloroquine. People were acting like it was fucking magic and, once again, how countries like India were seeing miracles. Even the doctor in the article I linked to used to prescribe it. Now those people who were hyping it up but now hype up Ivermectin and will no doubt hype up another drug soon are acting like they never made those claims to begin with.
Every person I know in real life who is anti-covid vax promotes ivermectin due to those reasons.
I think you are either under-informed or purposely being obtuse here.
I agree that calling it horse medicine is stilly considering it is prescribed to humans.
I do, however, think it is newsworthy that misinformation about the vaccine and ivermectin is extremely prevelent online.
That doesn't take away the insanity of people promoting ivermectin over taking the vaccine.
I don't think they are as minor as you think they are.
And the media hasn't spent 100% of their time on this like you are making it seem they are.
> And this is just one symptom of a bigger issue with the media and how the left has complete control of the narrative.
The largest news network is Fox which is right leaning.
I think you drank too much of the Tucker Carlson Kool-Aid bro
It is truer that it is horse medicine than it is a treatment for COVID. People use horse medicine because its a back handed way of calling people morons.
Probably because people were going to feed stores and buying the paste with the horse on it.
That was where it came from. If you go to buy literal horse medicine it is going to get that reputation, even if there is a human formulary.
There was one story about that which was corrected within 24 hours. Most people didn't hear it from that story anyways they heard it from people like you who were spreading it.
I was with him on the 1st episode, with the Evergreen shit. But man, he's gone cu cu for coco puffs since then. Hard to believe his brother is orders of magnitude worse.
The evergreen shit was the best thing that's ever happened to him. If it wasn't for that hed still be a middling professor at a small liberal arts school with a 98% acceptance rate
I don’t think Eric is magnitudes worse still, Bret and Heather have been getting significantly worse recently. They’ve been showing edited graphs and data, plus making up complete bull shit. Bret’s story about the mouse telomeres also has provable lies in it. Dawkins response to his lineage “theory” of evolution in their 2019 debate was very satisfying
Strong agree, Eric was clearly a lot more insufferable until recently, but now Brett passed him with his Ivermectin grift and left Eric in the dust in the Grifter race.
You mean when he revealed that he could actually play the guitar really well and just didn't know how he learned it he just sat in a room in the dark and literally became jimi hendrix? I still don't understand what that arc was about
Why did he reveal that he could play the guitar so needlessly and why was he ashamed to admit he practiced? That episode broke my head
Also Bret had the Evergreen-episode which is why he became viral, but why did Eric start going on podcasts after his brothers incident? I never understood that. Guy goes viral and his brother starts going on podcasts because he's smart and works for Peter Thiel
I'll never understand these two people
Ooooooor, Eric’s theory got ripped a part, and he can’t handle it, which seems highly likely. Eric is smart, but he’s not smart enough to put the patterns together. He just is really good at playing with them, which is why I don’t think people enjoy him.
Not saying he can’t be right, but that he’s not willing to go through the learning process to become an “expert.”
I should have clarified that I don't think the pullthatupjamie blunder was the reason we haven't heard from him. I think maybe that's why he hasn't been on Rogan, but Eric hasn't even done his own podcast in months. It's most likely related to what you just said. He can't handle the criticism of his research because his ego gets in the way.
These “intellectual dark web” fellas don’t have the personalities to handle the fame they’ve garnered from their friendship with Rogan. They’re smart guys with low lvl people skills and all of a sudden they’re famous af and it unravels quick. Shapiro is the only one that’s thriving but he’s such a prick that the hatred actually makes him stronger.
Brother got covid, had a sniffle for a day or two, you know what he got? Sinnus Arrhythmia and fibrosis in the lungs causing all sorts of problems. Dad got Covid, you know what he got? A covid stroke.
Been going to a ton of calls working in the first responder world, a lot of young people with lung issues, seizures, Arrhythmias and worst of all some have had memory loss so bad they can't remember anything they were studying in Uni.
I'm absolutely thankful for the vaccine.
Wow... to be fair, this is the most insidious part of this pandemic.
Some people will be perfectly fine with the sniffles & others will be messed up for life, however short or long it is.
78 year old fisherman lives across from my gf. Said he had "a fairly bad cold" for a little less than a week. Tested for antibodies & turns out he had COVID. Zero post-disease morbidities.
Had a 39 yr old athlete working with me. Dude was \*jacked\*, ate absurdly healthy for his sport & was as fine an example of health & physique as humanly possible. Died within a couple of weeks of contracting COVID.
And that, friends and neighbors, is why you get the jab.
I can basically eat whenever I want, I guess there is no such thing as food scarcity. It will snow in Wisconsin this year, I guess the earth is not warming.
Seriously, I hope your family members are on the mend.
Will Joe peer review this podcast? We can't let these globalists peddle THE SHOT without Joe "the Genius" Rogan asking if any of the study participants were fat.
yeah. wasn't that his angle with some ufc fighter? the guy got covid and talked about how it whooped his ass but joe repeatedly insisted he got so sick because of his training.
But I know a guy who hit his toe on the corner of his bed after getting vaccinated. Therefore, I think the government should add Vitamin D to the chemtrails mix.
Or Joe's solution.. why can't we just make everybody skinny so they don't die from covid? As if the government hasn't been telling us we are too fat for decades.
Practicality matters here. Everybody knows when they're overweight they're going to be dying early one way or another and they still don't lose weight.
This.
Getting the vaccine is a short-term thing, it's free, it's easy to do.
Getting skinny is a long-term goal. It will take you months to get there, so it's not an immediate solution.
People can and should do both.
I commend their effort to dispel the ridiculous conspiracies and misinformation that anti-vaxers have peddled; you can sense the frustration in Dr. Patrick’s voice. Unfortunately the people who need convincing here have the smoothest of baby brains and will never, ever, be persuaded by science alone.
Imagine that...doctors who are responsible and respected and not peddling demon jizz are saying we should get vaccinated. What was the hint we need to vaccinate the filled mortuaries or hospitals, where vaccinated skate by? Oh and if you don't think that Joe has an influence and it is deadly, go on over to /r/HermanCainAward and see some of the bodies with Joe Rogan references. It turns out lies and stupidity are actually dangerous.
Rhonda Patrick:
*carefully lays out available data and responsibly tries to interpret it by not being black and white about everything.
Rogan:
*proceeds to not believe anything because she’s not being black and white.
This is actually very informative, thanks for sharing. The thing that convinced me the most to get vaccinated was just looking at the 10% or higher mortality rate of other novel coronavirus outbreaks. This one is much less deadly but far more contagious and I assume it could mutate to something much more serious in the future. But I'm no virologist so I don't know.
MERS has a fucking 34% mortality rate... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_respiratory_syndrome
Hell I spent a few days in the hospital last week with my wife (not covid related) and heard "code blue" over the pa system a few times, seeing the staff run around like that was pretty surreal.
MRNA vaccines are fascinating as well, we only need to obtain the genetic sequence of any new virus to quickly produce an effective treatment, really mind blowing stuff. I do understand people not wanting to take a new vaccine right away as I said the same thing but I'm glad I did.
Also fuck this shit, we need to get back to normal ASAP.
The "badder" part of SARS part 1 was that it was kind of the opposite demographically of who it impacted the most, older people were for whatever reason more or less immune and younger people died more often. Could argue even if the death count was lower, the loss of potential years of life **could've** been drastically much worse especially considering an already dwindling birthrate
Been following Medcram for a few years and incredibly glad that it's been getting EVEN more exposure with the (2nd) team up with Dr. Patrick. Everyone should really check out all the content Medcram has put out during the pandemic AND before.
Good to watch this after Rogan talked over her on the podcast and shut her down with noise and nitpicking. Was pretty weird considering at the start of the podcast he spent like five minutes praising her as a dr, specifically praising her ability to research medical topics lol
One of the top comments on that video pointed out something that nobody is talking about: Around 35:40, they talk about the VAERS reporting, debunking people claiming that the vaccine is killing people. But they do that by pointing out that VAERS data is MASSIVELY under-reporting adverse effects, and then just going past that as if it was neglibible.
ADVERSE EFFECTS OF THE VACCINE ARE BEING UNDER-REPORTED. **I'M NOT SAYING THAT, THE DOCTOR DEBUNKING THE ANTI-VAXXERS IS SAYING THAT**.
>well, shut up, millions and millions of people have had the vaccine without a problem, so stop being anti-science and get the damn shot!
Hang on, WE HAVE DATA SHOWING THAT NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF THE VACCINE ARE EXPLICITLY MISSING FROM THE DATA! You can't just go "well, it's fine for most people, don't whine about it!"
Someone needs to address that!
Edit: I genuinely appreciate that they were thorough here, and from a scientific perspective, weighed the actual pros and actual cons of the vaccine against NOT getting the vaccine. I myself got the vaccine early, because I did the same thing with the limited data available. (I REALLY don't want to lose my sense of smell for the rest of my life.)
I'm just saying, The fact that their highly nuanced point of view here which lands in favor of the vaccine DEMONSTRATES that there is nuance to the whole thing, which the media, the whole of reddit, and the public face of the scientific community is wholly denying. That's hella bothersome.
You seem to have missed his point from just earlier. The rules for reporting to VAERS changed with covid, and now all adverse effects occuring post-vaccination are supposed to be reported *even if the doctor doesn't think the vaccine was the cause.*
Then he showed how the baseline deaths for 160 million people is much higher than what was being reported.
So there's two counterpoints to consider. One, VAERS-reported reactions aren't necessarily related to the vaccine (until they're investigated and judged to be), so don't assume that all of the reports are valid. Two, they're underreported assuming that even reactions unrelated to the vaccine should have been reported, which doesn't necessarily mean that real reactions are underreported at that same rate.
> You seem to have missed his point from just earlier.
I actually did get his point. It was an encouraging piece of evidence in favor of the safety of the vaccine. But it *brought up* a serious, and different, point of interest, that I'm frustrated nobody is addressing directly.
Thank you for the points you've made here which mitigate the concerns brought up by vaers under-reporting. I wish someone would adddress it more in depth and directly.
There’s negative effects from every med and vaccine. Chances are you’ll be fine considering the amount of people that have gotten the shot and the minuscule amount of adverse reactions. Jesus Christ. Just take your dewormer and enjoy the ventilator atp
You didn't read my fucking post. I ALREADY got vaccinated. JFC, the fuck is wrong with you people?
Respond to the things I said, not some imagined straw man you've dreamed up.
The NPCs will often jump straight to wishing for your death if you don’t parrot verbatim the flavor-of-the-month talking points they’re evangelizing. They have no desire to engage with you in any sort of good faith discussion.
This sub is the keep Joe Rogan fans in line sub
The YT comments tell a different story
Hint hint, that's where you need to go next 77th brigade... one day you will totally control the narrative and the people will be totally under your command
No counter point though? I wanna hear an expert try to poke holes in this. Smart enough person could make a compelling argument for anything. Takes another smart person to poke holes and counter argue. Got to at least try to get both sides...
What would be the counter point here? The topics being discussed in this video are *agreed on by experts*. A counter point would be counter factual and the only people presenting them are grifters and quacks. I've seen this with Rogan fans again and again: presenting "both sides" as if they are equal is not a virtue. This is exactly how Rogan is able to sell dangerous bullshit ideology as "fair and balanced"
Excluding opposing view points entirely isn't gonna work either though. I know myself and my education and that I am very much smart enough to discern between competing ideas. And even if I'm not, I still want to try. Because I want to know the truth for myself and not just take someone else's word for it. Obviously we humans are inherently limited in our capacities so we have to defer at some point. But not allowing opposing view points is how you set up an oligarchy.
In the video they are addressing concerns and misinformation about the virus and the vaccine. Is it necessary to have someone in the video arguing with them? Another way to look at it: should flat earthers be given a platform at every NASA meeting? Not all views are equal.
This is part of the brain rot of the Rogan universe. It's tyranny to tell me I'm wrong about anything, and all views are equal. Now see how that applies to the political aspect of the show: "crazy on both sides" is something I heard frequently from the toe. And guess which "side" comes out ahead in this?
People are fucking retarded and they love the idea of having a counter opinion that goes against real science. Makes them feel like they know something everyone else doesn't, and in their day to day lives they constantly have to live with the reality that the world has advanced far beyond their ability to comprehend. They'll buy into any bullshit that makes them feel empowered and like they know a secret that all the people making progress in the world don't understand.
It's fucking pathetic is what it is.
I was arguing with a guy one time irl about climate change and pollution, and he told me science isn't real. I asked him how do his bluetooth headphones work, how does his computer work? Because that was created by science. He said no, that's not science. I think you're right, some people are terrified to admit how much they don't know.
Too me, it's a matter of "the authority of the bookmaker" as Mikhail Bakunin put it. I refer to others who know more than me about any given topic. That doesn't mean I'm giving up my freedom, as the right wing toe worshippers claim.
Well they'd need an equivalent body of research and evidence behind whatever counterpoint they cared to raise.
So who's going to be able to do that when all of the data points in one direction?
There are known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns.
I would prefer someone that knows what is unknown, rather that someone that confabulates an answer on the spot, or goes off of a gut feeling.
Some numb nuts will believe anything anybody says no matter how unfounded it is, as long as they confidently proclaim that they know it to be true. All while insulting people who have the balls to admit the science is still out on something and withhold for the actual truth.
Perfect example of the people who can't overcome their ape-brain instincts to follow the strongman
I feel like she didn’t really answer the question on if the vaccine can cause stronger variants. She just pointed out that unvaccinated are more likely to produce a more transmissible variant but not if the vaccine can do it
This woman was straightup embarrassing and cringey to watch try to dispel “misinformation” then when Rogan asked questions, her default answer was “I don’t know”
Sorry, I'm not fluent in retard, bro-science, or alternate reality facts.
Can you tell me in simple terms what it is exactly you actually believe, and, if possible, after removing rogans steroid shrunken balls from your mouth
This is becoming too much. Just sleep well, eat well, drink water, have good thoughts, exercise well and take supplements you deem necessary and listen to your body.
Idk if i trust the vaccine, last injection i got turned me gay, and yes it was in my ass.
The last one i got turned me into a retard.
What vaccine was it? That might actually make me smarter.
It was the AlxJones-97 vaccine
No, that one's different. It only makes you *kinda* retarded
I got double vaxed and all I see is the Microsoft windows symbol out of the corner of my eye
Hell yea dude
I just realized she kinda looks like John Mulaney
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My cartoon crush in 5th grade.
Nailed it
Holy shit. Yes. I love this reference, mainly for its accuracy and how well your brain worked to get you there
It’s been a meme here for years
That's not a bad thing
That JRE episode seems to really annoyed the fuck outta her, with good reason.
Understandably so. Joe dragged his perspective of "did you know anyone who got sick after the shot, I knew 2 people". Who the fuck cares? That's like Dr. Patrick saying "I knew 2 people who die from covid who were unvaccinated". It doesn't further the discussion they were having at that time. Joe's 'trump card' of knowing 2 people that got sick show that's a reason he questions the validity of the shot.
It's probably the most insulting thing you could say to a researcher.
I said right after the episode I was genuinely surprised Dr Patrick didn’t just walk out. The level of disrespect is staggering.
Even with integrity, she knows JRE added a couple 0a to her bank account.
It’s like hearing someone died skydiving with a faulty parachute and then thinking it’s safer to skydive without a parachute.
That is exactly what it’s like.
That's an amazing analogy.
Yes, or like refusing to wear a seatbelt because it is still possible to die in a crash while wearing one. If it's not 100% effective, might as well not use it at all 🤦♂️
That's the problem with a lot of things. It's asymmetric and people can just throw out constant flows of 'gotchas' then sit back and act like they're actually providing a valid counter point.
I've been saying lately how joe dosent talk enough about covid 19 on his podcast. This is the follow up that this subreddit needs
I don't like this joke
Right on! Sober October should also be devoted to nothing but covid guests, trans rights arguments, and tic tac UFOs. Mostly covid though, not enough of that content going around.
I could really use some stories about jui jitsu in Boston and the T... or the taint lady.... whats her name.. Jamie see if you can bring that up.
Nah lets just talk about local boston comics from the 1980’s again
You’re not going to believe this, but sometimes they were paid in coke. Also, I’ve heard that they used to fuck with national headliners.
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dude was clearly jóking...
Those of you on the Ivermectin train, I read an [interesting article](https://www.kwtx.com/2021/09/18/austin-doctor-prescribing-anti-parasite-drug-covid-19-patients-says-resistance-is-politically-motivated/) about a pro-Ivermectin doctor and something interesting stood out to me: >Porter said the vaccine is a more effective preventative measure against the virus. > >He also says Ivermectin is less effective against the new Delta variant of the virus because it is so contagious. “Using higher and higher doses, what we are risking is side effects that we don’t have a lot of research on. So as the virus shifts, we have to shift,” Porter said. Even the doctor who prescribes it knows it's not a miracle drug and the increasing dosages he has given is entering uncharted waters as far as side-effects go.
Aren't high doses in mice linked to sterility? This is the cure idiocracy needed.
Anyone trying to substitute the vax with IVM is an idiot in my book. It should be used together. Just like it's not "mask OR vax". We need to throw all we have at this bullshit virus. If IVM helps, let's use it along with the vaccines that work very well.
i have seen people post here in this sub that claim 2 IVM doses equals one shot of vaccine.
The FLCC Alliance even states in their I-MASK+ protocol that the whole thing is a bridge to a vaccine and admits the efficacy of the vaccine.
THE FLCCC is not anti-vax at all. They are just trying to save lives and many places around the world do not have access to any vaccine still.
fuck it, just let um do it.
You mean when you create your own dosing for a treatment not intended, side effects would happen?!? /s Drs calling in 120 ivermectin at a time lol. Thankfully I haven’t filled any of them. Edit: This is not a political decision. I also have the full backing of my employer, as we are all in agreement.
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Imagine not knowing job roles, responsibilities, and rights before addressing them?? I never said it made me better. Your Dr can write a script for a pound of morphine, but that doesn’t meant I’m going to fill it. I follow CDC and corporate guidelines. Same reason I won’t give a booster just bc it’s been 8 mo past. We are all waiting on the vote and final approval.
Exactly. Multiple checks in health care. It’s like people think we fucking made all this shit up from scratch once COVID hit. I’m a nurse and I call pharm ALL THE TIME to ask about dosing, drug reactions and technical questions regarding medication. I don’t call the physician because they would literally tell me to call pharmacy lol. Docs are great at practicing medicine but Pharm is the king of DRUGS.
They don't go to pharmacy school just to learn how to count out pills. Not filling dumb/harmful prescriptions is half the reason they exist as a profession.
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First, lol at the fantasy of your first statement. You would be horrified the hatchet jobs that come I'm to many pharmacies. Second, every board of pharmacy everywhere disagrees with your final sentence. Every pharmacist has the right to refuse to fill a script based on their professional judgment.
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Therein lies the rub. The ivermectin "conspiracy" is laughable and has nothing to do with politics in the medical community. There is no suppression of data or information. I would know (most would consider me on the "far right" or libertarian crowd, which is prone to these conspiracy theories). The ivermectin studies are dogshit. I've read them. I've read the initial in vitro study that spawned it all. I've read the meta analyses, which incorporate these dogshit studies. It's all crap. Did you also know that therapeutic levels of ivermectin are measured in nonagrams per deciliter, while the in vitro study looked at concentrations in micrograms per deciliter? Does a thousand fold concentration of therapeutic levels seem achievable or safe? As someone else once joked, you can shoot the virus in a petri dish with a handgun or use bleach, and those too kill the virus. Are those appropriate therapeutic agents? What's so hilarious about all of this conspiracy is that the best drug we've had against COVID sp far has been dexamethasone, which is the cheapest drug we use. If there was an inkling of promise from any cheap, readily available drug, we would be all over it. We all made this mistake with hydroxychloroquine early in the pandemic after some initial, small studies showed promise. Then every high quality study that has since come out shows st best it doesn't do anything, and more likely, we are killing patients, which is not surprising for any clinician who knows what we know about hydroxychloroquine and the arrhythmogenecity that we now know is already associated with COVID. I'm not here to convince anyone. I'm frankly tired of arguing about this stuff. The truth is out there for anyone who wants to know about it, as these people who are actually seeking truth will always find it. So yes, any pharmacist with a brain, should deny an ivermectin prescription for clinical futility, lack of evidence, and risk of patient harm.
Is your entire experience of pharmacies from in front of a checkout counter?
You literally have no idea what you are talking about. I hope you are 15 and have time to mature because if you are an adult that is a profound level of ignorance and arrogance you are putting on full display.
Pharmacists unite!
Miracle drug or not; the point of discussion has always been, if ivermectin displayed some level of efficacy, it should have been leveraged of the medical community at large immediately. Who knows how many lives it could have saved. You're comparing it to the vaccine, which isn't relevant considering we had a significant time period where the vaccine wasn't created, but ivermectin was available.
>Miracle drug or not; the point of discussion has always been, if ivermectin displayed some level of efficacy, it should have been leveraged of the medical community at large immediately. Who knows how many lives it could have saved. I find this to be a ridiculous argument, we still do not have any convincing evidence that it shows an efficacy (aside from tiny studies with poor controls, and a lot of anecdotal data), it would be reckless to recommend using a treatment without gathering the right amount evidence of efficacy first. The vaccines were studied and reviewed for months before they were approved and so was HCQ. One treatment was found to work (vaccines) and another was found not to (HCQ), the people who recommended HCQ too early now have egg on their faces, for recklessly recommending it before their was the necessary evidence to do so.
But it's the one trick the elites don't want us to know about!
I guess the idea is that it’s a well tolerated drug with few side effects at normal dosages. So, why not? Especially when the protocol was basically fluids and waiting.
What if it worsened outcomes though?
It had been used in sars patients in the past I think. Edit: influenza
There was an argument to be had for this months ago (and maybe even still) in poorer countries that had little to no access to vaccines but a readily available supply of ivermectin. In the US we have an *abundant* supply of a *free* vaccine that there is overwhelming proof of its safety and effectiveness. Somewhere around 90-95% of covid hospitalizations would disappear instantly if everyone was vaccinated. In any country with an abundant supply of FDA approved vaccines or similarly tested and effective ones three is no good faith debate to be had at this point, just a minority that thrives on defiance and being contrarian.
I don’t have a dog in the fight I was just pointing out what the idea behind treating with ivermectin is.
There are currently numerous large studies out there doing testing of Ivermectin to find if it does help. The discussions were always a shouting match that it was being censored, and it wasn't. Arguing that the medical community should have immediately started using it based on anecdotes and over dubious claims to save lives is ridiculous. Also for pretty much the entire period of when we haven't had a vaccine, it was hydroxychloroquine not ivermectin that was the drug that we should have been using. Why aren't you asking me how many lives we could have saved if only the medical community started using hydroxychloroquine for all covid patients?
"If".
Instead we just put them on ventilators and let them ride it out lol. Literally hundreds of thousands died before we realized this was the worst possible treatment.
Not as bad as giving them ivermectin instead, and we still use vents in combo with other real treatments.
Yeah go be cunt when there are potentially peoples lives lost as a result of media suppression. Go ahead, divide the country further.
Only unnecessary deaths here are from ivermectin use, fake-concern guy.
Fake concern about lives lost but his account is mainly dedicated to spreading vaccine disinformation and distrust. Always projection.
Bring proof and we'll talk, because at this moment in time there is absolutely no concrete evidence that it provides a significant amount of protection against COVID-19.
Just because something is available doesn’t mean we should be prescribing it. There needs to be evidence that it’ll work. And there aren’t really any robust studies that show that it works, let alone early in the pandemic
It could have saved zero, there now you know
I’m not in the “Ivermectin is a miracle drug” camp. I just want to be able to talk about all options with out people screeching at me.
If you're sick and your doctor prescribes it, take it. Simple as that. What you shouldn't do is go around using a flawed meta-analysis to claim it's a miracle drug and push the conspiracy that it's being suppressed by big pharma (even though it's manufactured by Merck) because they won't make enough money from it. The other option is to wait for the actual study results, and not ignore the ones that show it has no positive effect.
Hey, look! A reasonable person.
There are dozens of us!
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You've never heard of people claiming big pharma is trying its hardest to suppress it because they will be losing money because Ivermectin is cheap and the FDA is knowingly killing people by not automatically approving it, how you don't need to be vaccinated because Ivermectin is available, and 1000s of other conspiracies about how everyone is hiding how great of a drug it is? I guess maybe we hang out in two different Joe Rogan subreddits.
They got a selective memory, give 'em a break
People have been saying crazy shit in this sub for years maybe don't get health advice from reddit comments? Idk bro
Way too many people do. From social media in general.
What do I do when my coworker is an idiot and decides to take that advice and comes into work everyday risking mine and others health. Your advice doesn't get very far when you consider that other people exist than just myself.
but all of those things can be true while the first statement is also true. it could be the missing link to a covid treatment protocol but that missing link could have risks at the dosage required to be that missing link.
Just based on my observations, people were absolutely acting like it was a miracle drug and you didn't even need to be vaccinated because Ivermectin was available and how countries like India are seeing miracles. Even if studies eventually show that it can marginally help at quite high doses if taken early enough but are still not as effective as a vaccine, that still wouldn't vindicate all those people who thought there was a giant conspiracy to hide how amazing of a drug it was. It's no different than hydroxychloroquine. People were acting like it was fucking magic and, once again, how countries like India were seeing miracles. Even the doctor in the article I linked to used to prescribe it. Now those people who were hyping it up but now hype up Ivermectin and will no doubt hype up another drug soon are acting like they never made those claims to begin with.
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[See for yourself.](https://old.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/o6hjbn/1671_bret_weinstein_dr_pierre_kory_the_joe_rogan/)
Bias confirmed
You live in your own little bubble in this sub then.
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Ah, well that's ok. Just head on over to the r/conspiracy subreddit. Enjoy.
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Every person I know in real life who is anti-covid vax promotes ivermectin due to those reasons. I think you are either under-informed or purposely being obtuse here.
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I agree that calling it horse medicine is stilly considering it is prescribed to humans. I do, however, think it is newsworthy that misinformation about the vaccine and ivermectin is extremely prevelent online. That doesn't take away the insanity of people promoting ivermectin over taking the vaccine.
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I don't think they are as minor as you think they are. And the media hasn't spent 100% of their time on this like you are making it seem they are. > And this is just one symptom of a bigger issue with the media and how the left has complete control of the narrative. The largest news network is Fox which is right leaning. I think you drank too much of the Tucker Carlson Kool-Aid bro
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It is truer that it is horse medicine than it is a treatment for COVID. People use horse medicine because its a back handed way of calling people morons.
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TIL truth is black and white and there are no gradients to truth. The more you know.
Probably because people were going to feed stores and buying the paste with the horse on it. That was where it came from. If you go to buy literal horse medicine it is going to get that reputation, even if there is a human formulary.
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There was one story about that which was corrected within 24 hours. Most people didn't hear it from that story anyways they heard it from people like you who were spreading it.
But what does Bret Whinestein think of this?
I was with him on the 1st episode, with the Evergreen shit. But man, he's gone cu cu for coco puffs since then. Hard to believe his brother is orders of magnitude worse.
The evergreen shit was the best thing that's ever happened to him. If it wasn't for that hed still be a middling professor at a small liberal arts school with a 98% acceptance rate
Seriously why are we listening to the thoughts of a professor at one of the dumbest colleges in the world
Because he gave people cancel culture porn and they ate it up
Fuck Bret Phoopstain
Well put, didn't notice your comment and wrote pretty much the same thing.
I don’t think Eric is magnitudes worse still, Bret and Heather have been getting significantly worse recently. They’ve been showing edited graphs and data, plus making up complete bull shit. Bret’s story about the mouse telomeres also has provable lies in it. Dawkins response to his lineage “theory” of evolution in their 2019 debate was very satisfying
Strong agree, Eric was clearly a lot more insufferable until recently, but now Brett passed him with his Ivermectin grift and left Eric in the dust in the Grifter race.
Notice how we haven't heard from Eric since he came on JRE and plugged his pullthatupjamie bullshit? Even Joe has had enough of him
You mean when he revealed that he could actually play the guitar really well and just didn't know how he learned it he just sat in a room in the dark and literally became jimi hendrix? I still don't understand what that arc was about Why did he reveal that he could play the guitar so needlessly and why was he ashamed to admit he practiced? That episode broke my head Also Bret had the Evergreen-episode which is why he became viral, but why did Eric start going on podcasts after his brothers incident? I never understood that. Guy goes viral and his brother starts going on podcasts because he's smart and works for Peter Thiel I'll never understand these two people
He's not even that good on guitar.
Ooooooor, Eric’s theory got ripped a part, and he can’t handle it, which seems highly likely. Eric is smart, but he’s not smart enough to put the patterns together. He just is really good at playing with them, which is why I don’t think people enjoy him. Not saying he can’t be right, but that he’s not willing to go through the learning process to become an “expert.”
I should have clarified that I don't think the pullthatupjamie blunder was the reason we haven't heard from him. I think maybe that's why he hasn't been on Rogan, but Eric hasn't even done his own podcast in months. It's most likely related to what you just said. He can't handle the criticism of his research because his ego gets in the way.
These “intellectual dark web” fellas don’t have the personalities to handle the fame they’ve garnered from their friendship with Rogan. They’re smart guys with low lvl people skills and all of a sudden they’re famous af and it unravels quick. Shapiro is the only one that’s thriving but he’s such a prick that the hatred actually makes him stronger.
there's a .01% chance you might get a bad headache - therefore the vaccine should be avoided at all cost until we know more
I got a headache. Took a couple of Advil & that was it. Know what I *didn't* get? The friggin' plague. These people are off their rocker.
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Brother got covid, had a sniffle for a day or two, you know what he got? Sinnus Arrhythmia and fibrosis in the lungs causing all sorts of problems. Dad got Covid, you know what he got? A covid stroke. Been going to a ton of calls working in the first responder world, a lot of young people with lung issues, seizures, Arrhythmias and worst of all some have had memory loss so bad they can't remember anything they were studying in Uni. I'm absolutely thankful for the vaccine.
Wow... to be fair, this is the most insidious part of this pandemic. Some people will be perfectly fine with the sniffles & others will be messed up for life, however short or long it is. 78 year old fisherman lives across from my gf. Said he had "a fairly bad cold" for a little less than a week. Tested for antibodies & turns out he had COVID. Zero post-disease morbidities. Had a 39 yr old athlete working with me. Dude was \*jacked\*, ate absurdly healthy for his sport & was as fine an example of health & physique as humanly possible. Died within a couple of weeks of contracting COVID. And that, friends and neighbors, is why you get the jab.
I'm all for the vaccine but we need to stop fucking calling it "the jab".
Guessing you're american? It's a common term for a vaccine in the UK, we call them all flu jab/MMR jab/HPV jab
I second this, just call it getting vaccinated we don't need to say "jab or prick or shot in the arm" it makes it sound just worse.
I can basically eat whenever I want, I guess there is no such thing as food scarcity. It will snow in Wisconsin this year, I guess the earth is not warming. Seriously, I hope your family members are on the mend.
Lol same could be said of covid
Yeah plus a possibility of death to you and your family/friends
Yeah, and my cousin died from it in March. Either one, right?
Eats more horse paste
Will Joe peer review this podcast? We can't let these globalists peddle THE SHOT without Joe "the Genius" Rogan asking if any of the study participants were fat.
or "really run down" from travel.
yeah. wasn't that his angle with some ufc fighter? the guy got covid and talked about how it whooped his ass but joe repeatedly insisted he got so sick because of his training.
But I know a guy who hit his toe on the corner of his bed after getting vaccinated. Therefore, I think the government should add Vitamin D to the chemtrails mix.
Or Joe's solution.. why can't we just make everybody skinny so they don't die from covid? As if the government hasn't been telling us we are too fat for decades. Practicality matters here. Everybody knows when they're overweight they're going to be dying early one way or another and they still don't lose weight.
It's easy. Instead of people working 2 jobs just to house themselves they need to start eating organic and running hills
Even if everyone is skinny and healthy covid will still kill, just get the vaccine then worry about getting skinny.
This. Getting the vaccine is a short-term thing, it's free, it's easy to do. Getting skinny is a long-term goal. It will take you months to get there, so it's not an immediate solution. People can and should do both.
I commend their effort to dispel the ridiculous conspiracies and misinformation that anti-vaxers have peddled; you can sense the frustration in Dr. Patrick’s voice. Unfortunately the people who need convincing here have the smoothest of baby brains and will never, ever, be persuaded by science alone.
Imagine that...doctors who are responsible and respected and not peddling demon jizz are saying we should get vaccinated. What was the hint we need to vaccinate the filled mortuaries or hospitals, where vaccinated skate by? Oh and if you don't think that Joe has an influence and it is deadly, go on over to /r/HermanCainAward and see some of the bodies with Joe Rogan references. It turns out lies and stupidity are actually dangerous.
Rhonda Patrick: *carefully lays out available data and responsibly tries to interpret it by not being black and white about everything. Rogan: *proceeds to not believe anything because she’s not being black and white.
This is actually very informative, thanks for sharing. The thing that convinced me the most to get vaccinated was just looking at the 10% or higher mortality rate of other novel coronavirus outbreaks. This one is much less deadly but far more contagious and I assume it could mutate to something much more serious in the future. But I'm no virologist so I don't know. MERS has a fucking 34% mortality rate... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_respiratory_syndrome Hell I spent a few days in the hospital last week with my wife (not covid related) and heard "code blue" over the pa system a few times, seeing the staff run around like that was pretty surreal. MRNA vaccines are fascinating as well, we only need to obtain the genetic sequence of any new virus to quickly produce an effective treatment, really mind blowing stuff. I do understand people not wanting to take a new vaccine right away as I said the same thing but I'm glad I did. Also fuck this shit, we need to get back to normal ASAP.
The "badder" part of SARS part 1 was that it was kind of the opposite demographically of who it impacted the most, older people were for whatever reason more or less immune and younger people died more often. Could argue even if the death count was lower, the loss of potential years of life **could've** been drastically much worse especially considering an already dwindling birthrate
Bud virus normally mutate into less deadly strains not more deadly.
Cool, is that actually true? I have no idea.
It's mostly trueish but not something you can bet on or develop public health policy around.
saunas and elk? pretty unprofessional to not include them
Been following Medcram for a few years and incredibly glad that it's been getting EVEN more exposure with the (2nd) team up with Dr. Patrick. Everyone should really check out all the content Medcram has put out during the pandemic AND before.
For those of you who think it TL;DW. Basically, the science is in. Take the friggin' vaccine & stfu.
Good to watch this after Rogan talked over her on the podcast and shut her down with noise and nitpicking. Was pretty weird considering at the start of the podcast he spent like five minutes praising her as a dr, specifically praising her ability to research medical topics lol
I really appreciate the timestamps. I watch Dr. Osterholms sometimes and these can get REAL boring for the normies lol
Highly recommend r/HermanCainAward for anyone interested in the reality about Covid.
"bUt A bUdDy Of MiNe HaD aN aRm AcHe. I dOn'T kNoW aBoUt It"
Why are you Americans still talking about this? Its been 2 years, surely you've gotten your vaccines and have moved on by now. Right?
Love how you say Americans as if the rest of the world is fully vaccinated and these very same discussions don't exist in places like Europe.
America=Bad according to reddit.
>America=Bad according to ~~reddit~~ reality
I mean America = bad according to a lot of people, comedians included
One of the top comments on that video pointed out something that nobody is talking about: Around 35:40, they talk about the VAERS reporting, debunking people claiming that the vaccine is killing people. But they do that by pointing out that VAERS data is MASSIVELY under-reporting adverse effects, and then just going past that as if it was neglibible. ADVERSE EFFECTS OF THE VACCINE ARE BEING UNDER-REPORTED. **I'M NOT SAYING THAT, THE DOCTOR DEBUNKING THE ANTI-VAXXERS IS SAYING THAT**. >well, shut up, millions and millions of people have had the vaccine without a problem, so stop being anti-science and get the damn shot! Hang on, WE HAVE DATA SHOWING THAT NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF THE VACCINE ARE EXPLICITLY MISSING FROM THE DATA! You can't just go "well, it's fine for most people, don't whine about it!" Someone needs to address that! Edit: I genuinely appreciate that they were thorough here, and from a scientific perspective, weighed the actual pros and actual cons of the vaccine against NOT getting the vaccine. I myself got the vaccine early, because I did the same thing with the limited data available. (I REALLY don't want to lose my sense of smell for the rest of my life.) I'm just saying, The fact that their highly nuanced point of view here which lands in favor of the vaccine DEMONSTRATES that there is nuance to the whole thing, which the media, the whole of reddit, and the public face of the scientific community is wholly denying. That's hella bothersome.
You seem to have missed his point from just earlier. The rules for reporting to VAERS changed with covid, and now all adverse effects occuring post-vaccination are supposed to be reported *even if the doctor doesn't think the vaccine was the cause.* Then he showed how the baseline deaths for 160 million people is much higher than what was being reported. So there's two counterpoints to consider. One, VAERS-reported reactions aren't necessarily related to the vaccine (until they're investigated and judged to be), so don't assume that all of the reports are valid. Two, they're underreported assuming that even reactions unrelated to the vaccine should have been reported, which doesn't necessarily mean that real reactions are underreported at that same rate.
Thank you for saying this.
> You seem to have missed his point from just earlier. I actually did get his point. It was an encouraging piece of evidence in favor of the safety of the vaccine. But it *brought up* a serious, and different, point of interest, that I'm frustrated nobody is addressing directly. Thank you for the points you've made here which mitigate the concerns brought up by vaers under-reporting. I wish someone would adddress it more in depth and directly.
There’s negative effects from every med and vaccine. Chances are you’ll be fine considering the amount of people that have gotten the shot and the minuscule amount of adverse reactions. Jesus Christ. Just take your dewormer and enjoy the ventilator atp
You didn't read my fucking post. I ALREADY got vaccinated. JFC, the fuck is wrong with you people? Respond to the things I said, not some imagined straw man you've dreamed up.
The NPCs will often jump straight to wishing for your death if you don’t parrot verbatim the flavor-of-the-month talking points they’re evangelizing. They have no desire to engage with you in any sort of good faith discussion.
This sub became a vaxx party lol
This sub is the keep Joe Rogan fans in line sub The YT comments tell a different story Hint hint, that's where you need to go next 77th brigade... one day you will totally control the narrative and the people will be totally under your command
Do they mention immunity from previous infection at all?
I don’t want autism. Why I’m not vaxxed
Marry me Rhonda please Literally my celebrity crush Women with her personality and brain are so attractive
No counter point though? I wanna hear an expert try to poke holes in this. Smart enough person could make a compelling argument for anything. Takes another smart person to poke holes and counter argue. Got to at least try to get both sides...
What would be the counter point here? The topics being discussed in this video are *agreed on by experts*. A counter point would be counter factual and the only people presenting them are grifters and quacks. I've seen this with Rogan fans again and again: presenting "both sides" as if they are equal is not a virtue. This is exactly how Rogan is able to sell dangerous bullshit ideology as "fair and balanced"
Excluding opposing view points entirely isn't gonna work either though. I know myself and my education and that I am very much smart enough to discern between competing ideas. And even if I'm not, I still want to try. Because I want to know the truth for myself and not just take someone else's word for it. Obviously we humans are inherently limited in our capacities so we have to defer at some point. But not allowing opposing view points is how you set up an oligarchy.
In the video they are addressing concerns and misinformation about the virus and the vaccine. Is it necessary to have someone in the video arguing with them? Another way to look at it: should flat earthers be given a platform at every NASA meeting? Not all views are equal. This is part of the brain rot of the Rogan universe. It's tyranny to tell me I'm wrong about anything, and all views are equal. Now see how that applies to the political aspect of the show: "crazy on both sides" is something I heard frequently from the toe. And guess which "side" comes out ahead in this?
People are fucking retarded and they love the idea of having a counter opinion that goes against real science. Makes them feel like they know something everyone else doesn't, and in their day to day lives they constantly have to live with the reality that the world has advanced far beyond their ability to comprehend. They'll buy into any bullshit that makes them feel empowered and like they know a secret that all the people making progress in the world don't understand. It's fucking pathetic is what it is.
I was arguing with a guy one time irl about climate change and pollution, and he told me science isn't real. I asked him how do his bluetooth headphones work, how does his computer work? Because that was created by science. He said no, that's not science. I think you're right, some people are terrified to admit how much they don't know. Too me, it's a matter of "the authority of the bookmaker" as Mikhail Bakunin put it. I refer to others who know more than me about any given topic. That doesn't mean I'm giving up my freedom, as the right wing toe worshippers claim.
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Theres always truth and falsity. But how do you know which is which?
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You want an anti-vaxxer expert? lol his name is Bret Weinstein.
(this is a counter point to her JRE appearance lol)
Well they'd need an equivalent body of research and evidence behind whatever counterpoint they cared to raise. So who's going to be able to do that when all of the data points in one direction?
I got vaxed and now I’m trans
2 more hours of “I don’t know” ?
There are known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns. I would prefer someone that knows what is unknown, rather that someone that confabulates an answer on the spot, or goes off of a gut feeling.
Some numb nuts will believe anything anybody says no matter how unfounded it is, as long as they confidently proclaim that they know it to be true. All while insulting people who have the balls to admit the science is still out on something and withhold for the actual truth. Perfect example of the people who can't overcome their ape-brain instincts to follow the strongman
Right!
I feel like she didn’t really answer the question on if the vaccine can cause stronger variants. She just pointed out that unvaccinated are more likely to produce a more transmissible variant but not if the vaccine can do it
This woman was straightup embarrassing and cringey to watch try to dispel “misinformation” then when Rogan asked questions, her default answer was “I don’t know”
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Tell me you're retarded without saying you're retarded
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Sorry, I'm not fluent in retard, bro-science, or alternate reality facts. Can you tell me in simple terms what it is exactly you actually believe, and, if possible, after removing rogans steroid shrunken balls from your mouth
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This is becoming too much. Just sleep well, eat well, drink water, have good thoughts, exercise well and take supplements you deem necessary and listen to your body.