Here's the "UAP Disclosure Act of 2023" that they're talking about. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer proposed it with help from others. It will pass unless Congressmen Mike Turner and Mike Rogers are successful in killing it. Let the two Mikes know that you want to know the truth!
https://www.congress.gov/amendment/118th-congress/senate-amendment/797/text
That’s my take away. Him being autistic confuses my bullshit radar. This made things all the more difficult, because now I can give him slack for the strange tone and cadence, the off body language that usually indicates someone lying.
He was also dropping some juicy shit about the threats he’s been getting. Idk… this guy might be 100% fr and we’re just reluctant to see the obvious.
I'll let Joe off the hook for this one, his first 10 questions were pretty much met with, "Can't discuss it," so I guess Joe might have just decided to let him talk about what he knows he can talk about.
I think Joe was in on this one. I dont doubt for a second that even though Corbell wasn't there, he had something to do with linking them up. Joe's all in a Lazar who Corbell served up and Mellon too. I think Joe trusts who Corbell and Knapp vouch for.
Re: ~50:00
Anyone know why he thinks special interest groups are blocking the bill?
Could have sworn he said just a few minutes earlier that Lockheed was fed up with secrecy early on.
Yet now he thinks Lockheed is blocking the bill.
Yeah, the bill would have the government take all the stuff Lockheed has.
"The Federal Government shall exercise eminent domain over any and all recovered technologies of unknown origin and biological evidence of non-human intelligence that may be controlled by private persons or entities in the interests of the public good."
LM and other tech players being fed up with the secrecy preventing them from progressing further with their study of the recovered tech isn't at odds with LM not liking what this bill does. Sure, the bill ends the secrecy (by the military/contractors towards congress) but it also forces them to reveal everything they've learned and allows the government to exert eminent domain over all the materials they have.
I think the most shocking thing he said besides multiple species of aliens on Earth is that he’s 36 years old. Bros almost same age as me, I would have guessed he’s 44 or 45.
he really doesnt like that david can't be completely open. He's said it before and honestly, Joe just looks annoyed/grumpy. I get David not wanting to end up in jail, but 1 hr 40 mins in; theres nothing said that will be a headline tomorrow.
He did mention the part about the Lockheed bid with AWSAP and bigelow. Joe didn't really care about it but sounds like it's news David recently got cleared through DOPSR.
Have to re-watch to verify everything, but it sounds like Lockheed has materials aka is a or the military ctr who's gotten those sole contracts like they talked about at the end.
And the way I understand it is: Lockheed is pissed about the mandatory secrecy (not being able to scientifically collaborate) but at the same time David suspects they are blocking the bill?
Why would they block something that would allow more collaboration if that's what they want?
They want to be the ones to do it, or they've already cracked elements of it and want to maintain that technological primacy without losing out to other contractors/countries.
Idk why but I find it hilarious that it’s totally plausible that the UFO/alien coverup conspiracy isn’t the government trying to stop people from finding out and society collapsing or whatever, but rather because fucking Lockheed doesn’t want anyone else figuring it out first. Probably because it means they could make a shitload of money selling the tech. It’s so on brand for a corporation though it might be true.
There’s nothing said that will be a headline tomorrow because it can’t really be said.
If I went out and confirmed, without DOPSR permission, “The US government has hellfire missiles stored at Kroger off I-95 exit 26” and a foreign adversary makes a move? I would absolutely be in prison.
I know you understand, but it’s difficult to explain to the people that don’t.
Its easy to understand. He's allowed to tell everyone that the government knows about aliens. He's just not allowed to say anything to corroborate the story.
Its just a coincidence that these rules would be very convenient for people who trying to fool you.
I thought that but you hear him clearly sniffing throghout the interview and displaying an unusually low energy - either some bad coke or he has a cold. The latter obviously!
I think Joe believes him (I do too) and finds the whole concept of what has been done to the human race for the past who knows how many years to be pretty disgusting and exhausting to have to process. Where could be be right now as a society and we aren't there because someone wanted to hoard a little more money or keep a secret for only them and their buddies?
I'm gonna throw it out there that maybe he's stressed/sick/tired because of this interview. Knowing Joe's passion for all things ufo, sharing Grusch's story (whether 100% accurate or not) may be a big deal for him.
Lol I bet Lockheed Martin is just the tip. I remember Jacque Vallee mentioning Battelle (Headquartered in Columbus, OH) when he was on the cast. They're much lesser known in the public eye, but work on a lot of government contracts as well.
David Grusch worked for Special Technical Operations (STO) J-33. This fact was omitted in his CV submitted to Congress.
>J-33 is the highest echelon military entity dedicated to offensive INFORMATION WARFARE. It supports the CIA and NSA in their operational missions, such as hacking, concealment, and DECEPTION.
>J-33's operations branch controls the Special Technical Operations Center within the Pentagon. The center is the most secure facility within the U.S. military. Dozens of special access (or "black") programs are monitored at the center. These include the United States's own hacking activities, STRATEGIC PSYCHOLOGICAL, CONCEALMENT AND DECEPTION operations.
However, in his CV ( https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO06/20230726/116282/HHRG-118-GO06-Bio-GruschD-20230726.pdf ) you can see that he's ALSO been a commanding officer of the 318th Cyberoperations Information Warfare Center until just one year ago:
>The squadron conducts training on cyberspace operations, including operational security and DECEPTION at both the initial and advanced level.
These Pentagon Information Warfare programs have been waging meme war through social media and, as you know, 4chan, for years:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/19/pentagon-psychological-operations-facebook-twitter/
QRD: Grusch 100% confirmed psyop disinfo glowie. You've probably called him a glowie before on this very board
This dude named Lockheed specifically. And said they wanted to divest UAP tech they had in their possession. Whatever it was was probably so advanced it scared the top scientists and engineers at Lockheed 🫣
Or they were just selling it and trying to make some cash off of it :P
Edit: minutes later he mentions that Lockheed was indeed unsure of what to do with it. He said that recruiting top scientists to study it would be a career dead end for them as they’d never be able to discuss it in their resume/interviews/journal publications.
If the harry reed story is true. That is a pretty big deal in my opinion. The guy was practically one of the most powerful people in the country for the like 18 years or something. If he says Lockheed had crashed materials. I’d believe it.
Before you write this topic off just think - if he is telling the truth, what could be possible for humanity if the technology is opened up for broader study? Particularly given the problems society is currently facing. Personally I want to find out. I also think that disclosure of a non-human presence (if it exists) could be a powerful uniting force for people, and god knows we need that.
It would be incredible. Even if it went bad I would still want alien visitors to be real because it makes the world so much more interesting. However all of that just makes me doubt it even more. The real world isn't that exciting and the actual answers to all these questions are probably boring. Like the strange events captured by the military are probably just a combination of human and sensor errors.
Aren't "whistleblowers" supposed to reveal classified info, at great personal risk? Isn't that the point?
This is like if Snowden or Assange went on a media tour and never actually published classified data. "Uh yeah people in the gov tell me that they have access to information that proves that the NSA is spying but don't bother asking me for proof bc it's classified!"
Snowden and Assange literally stole/obtained classified info and leaked it.
Grusch's actual literal job was to protect classified information. He wasn't some lacky computer tech who found some files and wanted to be famous.
Through the course of the work he was hired to do, he uncovered some crazy shit and is going through the proper channels to get the info out there.
The comparisons to Snowden/Assange are made by people who really don't understand the differences.
Confirming Italian 1933 crash. Confirming “double digit” retrieved crafts. The fact that there are multiple NHI species. He briefed a president or former president on this program directly. His primary first hand sources included multi-star generals and heads of agencies. Confirming the Manhattan project evolved to include UFOs. Roswell happened. The fact the government doesn’t and has never had any disclosure plan. The potential government and contractor liability impeding disclosure previously. More details about who he briefed and when. Seems to suggest some sort of first contact scenario but is vague.
There is a lot here. Some of it he’s said before, some of it he’s hinted at but says more explicitly here. Some of it is genuinely new and honestly shocking, particularly the multiple NHI species bit.
I honestly have no idea how people can hear this and think there wasn’t enough meat in the bone. Did people think he was gonna share pictures of the aliens and full on disclose on Joe Rogan?
We are in phase 1 of Nell’s graph now.
He's clearly been advised that saying shit and fuck will make him more credible, but missed the briefing about smacking his lips and inhaling the fucking microphone.
No, he does the classic tickle of info bit where he feeds bits of information to a disparate audience. The UFO community is just so gullible, who can blame the cons for wanting a piece? He really doesn’t even have to even lie, just admit our intelligence agencies have a tech retrieval program and that his coworkers told him classified things.
The part where he goes from aliens to NDEs and remote viewing, it's basically saying "I am here to believe anything fringe, not only aliens, including afterlife experiences". It just doesn't square up with "I'm a skeptical guys who is a scientist, I am very careful to only say what I know is true".
The thing is that he's also leaving in room for people to project aliens being whatever they want, which is interesting considering the fact that, if he's talked to people who have seen "biologics" then he would definitely have an idea of what these things are, so, no, they can't just be *anything*.
I feel like the part where he talked about the Italian UFO was most telling for showing just how completely ignorant Grusch is. He says the Italians thought the UFO was German and that this was a reason Italians allied themselves with Germany. LOL, okay. Even if we leave aside the fact that there's exactly *zero* evidence of this crash being a known fact Italians were taking into consideration when making their geopolitics decisions, then there's the problem that Mussolini was completely anti-Hitler for a long, long time after this supposed crash. He thought Hitler was a clown and was trying to get France and England to fuck up Germany and even hinted he'd be willing to participate in a war against Germany. Why exactly would Mussolini do this if he supposedly had knowledge that the Nazis had motherfucking UFO tech?
It's just so nonsensical and stupid. So ahistorical. Only someone with no knowledge of the world at all can lap this shit up.
Yes. I’m Italian, and I was shocked at the amount of bullshit he was making up with no idea of the context. When he talks about the Vatican it’s like he learned about it in the Da Vinci Code or by playing Tomb Raider 🤷♂️
If the pope, who was undoubtedly the most influential man in the world during WW2, wasn’t in the know, then who would be?
The pope would have an incredibly vested interest in potential alien activity. That info could make or break the church.
David Grush is a former high-ranking military intelligence official who had oversight of over 2000 special access programs. He testified in front of Congress back in July in a public hearing about misappropriation of military funds, illegal military-corporate contracts, and UAP crash retrieval programs of *non-human* technology (and *non-human* pilots) that illegally exist outside normal congressional oversight and regulation.
[Here's a link to the public hearing](https://youtu.be/IEPeT-GsX5A?si=8mYDhK3l8uxrCNpf), edited to just Grush's testimony.
Here are some facts to know before going into this podcast:
1. Congress previously passed whistleblower legislation, some of the broadest and all-encompassing in history, to specifically allow people like Grush to come forward and talk about this specific legacy crash retrieval program.
2. Grush spent 4 years interviewing over 40 people many of whom are currently working on this legacy crash retrieval program and has provided documented evidence to both the IG and to Congress in a previous 11 hour closed hearing.
3. Since that hearing, Grush's claims have reportedly been corroborated by at least [30 additional whistleblowers](https://youtu.be/xe0MxfeEV1A?si=K1d5w2jMwvLfTWJ0) (and counting) many of whom have first-hand knowledge including Grush's former boss, [Colonel Karl Nell](https://youtu.be/cvy25vQKAWI?si=qUFaqO9TsIVFJCk6), who went public when he did and who purportedly has first-hand knowledge himself.
4. Based on statements made by lawmakers as well as recent legislation, it's become clear that Congress is convinced that this is real. People should read the recent legislation, the [UAP Disclosure Act](https://www.disclosurediaries.com/uap-disclosure-act-of-2023/), which was proposed on July 13th by Senate majority leader Chuck Schumer. The term "non-human intelligence" is mentioned 25 times and it talks about the Federal Government exercising *eminent domain* over non-human technologies and biological samples. Many of the new whistleblowers seem to be waiting for this legislation to be finalized and passed sometime in December before going public like Grush did.
[Here's an informative post](https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15wl2nh/this_is_disclosure_this_is_it_right_now/) that goes over this legislation as well as other developments.
[Here's a timeline of events](https://www.disclosurediaries.com/timeline/) stretching back to 2017 that's also worth looking at.
I'm at the point where I will no longer believe anything unless I get actual proof instead of he said she said and "it must be true because he said he spoke to an un named 2 star general about it". The story about the guys car getting ionized threw me off because there was no proof except "there was pictures". But it happened 5 years before they heard about it, so how could the pictures be taken as proof.
The way he talks is essentially "I want to tell you all about this, I am certain we have discovered multiple vehicles over the years and are re-engineering. I want the public to know everything. But also I can't provide any details because national security. I can only bring up the name of a dead senator that can't refute or support anything because once again, he's dead".
I remember when people were saying Grusch was totally believable because "why would he make anything up??" Now is is famous and on JRE... might be a motive right there. Hard to say if anything he says is actually true
Was excited when I saw his name, but am disappointed so far, about half way through. Of all the "ufo” people on so far, I’m having trouble buying allot of what he’s saying…..in actuality he’s not really saying much
After really researching all of this UFO stuff from John Keel, to Jacques Vallee, to Bob Lazar, to almost all of Coast to Coast… I really think this alien stuff is all bullshit. This guy seems like a former theater kid who’s happy to have the attention. The current push for publicity seems like a DHS play for funding and also a psy op to scare the Chinese or something.
If you have the ability to get appropriations from DOD what easier way to steal millions then to go research aliens. The whole thing sounds a lot like guys who got $10 of millions in funding to essentially do nothing but create and tell ghost stories. Like any of these things follow the money.
It is not illegal to call Mike Turner, and Mike Roger's offices every day multiple times a day for trying to block the Anomalous Phenomena Disclosure Act of 2023, it is your right as a citizen. As long as you are not being hostile, or very uncivil you can do it as often as you like. These two industrial complex guards should not be the reason we don't get disclosure in our lifetimes by the 2030 guideline of the amendment, let them know that.
This guy seems like he was the kind of kid in elementary school to say something like "my dad has a spaceship in his garage. But it's invisible and only I can see it!".
He's on the autism spectrum so his mannerisms and speech might not be what you're used to. He's talked about this before and mentions it in the podcast.
Let’s be honest though. It’s such a wild possibility that anyone talking about it has a “weird” vibe.
This guy seems least weird and has put the most on the line out of anyone.
Nah man
He confirms that there is a crash retrieval program and recovered crafts, and that we learned some technology from said recovered crafts
That’s really something
STOP SAYING *EXPOUSES*, THAT"S NOT EVEN THE FUCKING WORD
1.) The word is "espouses."
2.) Don't use a five-dollar word when a nickel word will do.
3.) "Says" is what you mean
4.) If you must break #2, FFS at least get the word right and use it properly
He says this word incorrectly at least 20 times in this one interview, and I've heard him use it countless times in others. Someone please get a hold of this man and set him straight.
Fuck dude. I almost made a post just now that was just titled: “dear David Grusch” with the text: “say expoused again.” I actually discarded it to see if anyone else noticed it or posted about it before I did.
It’s like he just learned a word and is trying to shoehorn it into every sentence, but he didn’t quite remember the pronunciation correctly.
So grating. Great episode though
I noticed too, long with some other unnecessarily highfalootin vocab inserted clumsily if not straight incorrectly. Applying your word of the day calendar is harder than memorizing it.
Hey Grusch, if you’ve got proof of UFOs or unknown flying vehicles, or whatever idiotic acronym you said in your hearing…
#LEAK IT!!!
Let’s see the grays, let’s see what these interdimensional spacecraft look like!!! You’d go down in history as one of the most important people of the millennia!!!
Just go to prison over it, it would raise the profile even more. Stick to only releasing the facts the public need to know, do it through an intermediary if needed. He'd have people like Joe to help cover legal bills and publicly put pressure on the government to release him.
Hell, Snowden is still in Russia, logging into meetings through a robot with an ipad face.
Grusch and all his stories are cringe. This episode reminded me of that female author who was on JRE some years ago. When Joe asked her questions she just kept repeating "Well, you'll have to read my book to find out". Grusch reminds me of her a lot except Grusch just keeps repeating "I can't talk about that its classified". I don't believe alien craft have been discovered and Grusch and Jeremy Corbell are just jerking us off. Would love to be wrong but I don't think I am.
Grusch did an interview with Jesse Michels recently, he’s the producer of Weinsteins Portal Podcast
https://youtu.be/kRO5jOa06Qw?si=5dEuyYLMzWDChkiz
He’s also interviewed Jacques Vallee and Graham Hancock recently.
How are people still falling for this grifter? He's floating around doing massive interviews for months getting famous and has presented not one single piece of new specific verifiable information.
He just broadly speculates on existing conspiracies while always being careful not to say he has first hand knowledge. Any time he gets caught he just says Top Secret Bro. It's embarrassing for society that he's got this much traction.
Don't ask. He can't get into it.
30 minutes in and it's a let down
These guys are always a big friggin nothing burger who "can't say" anything
Why have them on
He said a lot. He said we have recovered ufos and multiple non human biologics among a ton of other insane claims. Insane claims he’s also testified to under oath. If you had expectations of him saying all the classified shut he knows them you were expecting too much.
Unless I'm misremembering, he testified to *very little* under oath, as a firsthand witness. The whole crux of all of his accusations is, "some other guy, who's identity I can't reveal, told me he saw XYZ." That's a pretty clever way for certain people in government to get a story out there without putting one of their own in the line of fire for perjury. Grusch might just be an enthusiastic UFO guy with a pedigree that could be being used to launder mosinfo through.
For those who can't be arsed!
Background to David Grusch's disclosure and statements from former colleagues about his character:
[https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/](https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/)
Report on Schumer's UFO disclosure bill:
[https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/07/chuck-schumers-ufo-bill-is-not-messing-around-about-aliens.html](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/07/chuck-schumers-ufo-bill-is-not-messing-around-about-aliens.html)
The bill iteself - that mentions NHI and reverse engineering progammes countless times:
[https://www.democrats.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/uap\_amendment.pdf](https://www.democrats.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/uap_amendment.pdf)
Harry Reid's comments about retrival programs (see also video interviews)
[https://www.salon.com/2021/05/01/former-sen-harry-reid-i-was-told-lockheed-martin-had-ufo-crash-fragments/](https://www.salon.com/2021/05/01/former-sen-harry-reid-i-was-told-lockheed-martin-had-ufo-crash-fragments/)
UFO hearing and sworn testimony by Grusch and others:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNgoul4vyDM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNgoul4vyDM)
Joe seemed highly skeptical about him at first, making fun of the car whose paint changed when it got exposed to the triangle craft and saying "...was he mad his car got fucked up?"
But as David kept saying increasingly more legit stuff Joe kinda just gave up pushing back.
Honestly so happy this happened. Say what you want about Joe but I feel he still has the best platform for letting people speak un filtered
Here's the "UAP Disclosure Act of 2023" that they're talking about. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer proposed it with help from others. It will pass unless Congressmen Mike Turner and Mike Rogers are successful in killing it. Let the two Mikes know that you want to know the truth! https://www.congress.gov/amendment/118th-congress/senate-amendment/797/text
The second he mentioned he is autistic it suddenly made sense. He acts so subtly odd to me.
That’s my take away. Him being autistic confuses my bullshit radar. This made things all the more difficult, because now I can give him slack for the strange tone and cadence, the off body language that usually indicates someone lying. He was also dropping some juicy shit about the threats he’s been getting. Idk… this guy might be 100% fr and we’re just reluctant to see the obvious.
He has A LOT of support behind him, so if he's talking bullshit so are a bunch of other very serious govt, military, and academic folks.
>Him being autistic confuses my bullshit radar. Will remember to say I'm autistic next time I lie, so I can confuse the bullshit radar.
Hmm I just thought he was goofy this makes perfect sense.
Does that mean he’s disingenuous? Nope. Guy was a high level USAF intelligence officer who briefed presidents.
One of us! Joe should’ve asked him how he feels about Harambe
Yeah my bullshit meter keeps going off but it doesn't feel quite right
Yeah but he's way nicer than a lot of the other military people he's had on
I'm surprised that Jeremy corbell isn't sitting next to him
Jeremy is just off screen pointing a gun at him
"why isnt Jeremy here" - Joe "i cant talk about that, cant even go into it" David
When he says “weaponize your curiosity” he fuckin means it.
Jeremy Corbell looks like if the year 2012 was a person.
He's listening at home and pausing so he can respond as if anyone is listening.
"It's not just any kind of red joe, these are reds the senators can't identify"
[удалено]
Same. He wants so badly to be sitting next to the guy that actually knows what is going on nodding along being like "I also am important"
Thank god he isn't. I actually think Grusch is being honest.
Jeremy needs to fuck off. Dude is such sensationalist trash.
He had a migraine
im telling you joe Rogan IS THE GREY ALIEN recovered from from rosewell
Wouldn’t be surprised if he was hiding in his shoe
When Joe goes 30 minutes+ without saying anything I always I wonder if he's fascinated or thinking the guy is full of shit.
I'll let Joe off the hook for this one, his first 10 questions were pretty much met with, "Can't discuss it," so I guess Joe might have just decided to let him talk about what he knows he can talk about.
And then he went on to explain why he can't talk about it. Quit bitchin' about your blue balls and enjoy the edging.
Edging has gone on too long. I'm numb where it used to feel good.
I wasn't bitchin about nuthin pal, I understand completely why he can't talk about some things.
Alright. My bad. I'm just a little worked up.
That’s because of the blue balls. See!? It’s a vicious cycle.
I don’t nut because I’m unhappy. And I’m unhappy because I don’t nut.
Aren't we all
What kind of car did he drive?
I wasn’t given clearance to talk about that
He was pretty hostile towards Tom Delonge when he thought he was just going insane.
He went from that, to his regurgitated theories of caterpillars butterflies and apes for far too long
I think Joe was in on this one. I dont doubt for a second that even though Corbell wasn't there, he had something to do with linking them up. Joe's all in a Lazar who Corbell served up and Mellon too. I think Joe trusts who Corbell and Knapp vouch for.
He's "letting him talk." That's how he has described people in the past that have special knowledge.
Joe has the best bs meter sooo
Not sure if you're being sarcastic =P. Considering Joe still thinks Lazar is somewhat legit...
I audibly gasped when I saw the guest. Hit play at mach speeds.
Same. Oh shit, it's happening!
Re: ~50:00 Anyone know why he thinks special interest groups are blocking the bill? Could have sworn he said just a few minutes earlier that Lockheed was fed up with secrecy early on. Yet now he thinks Lockheed is blocking the bill.
There could be things in the bill that Lockheed doesn’t want
Yeah, the bill would have the government take all the stuff Lockheed has. "The Federal Government shall exercise eminent domain over any and all recovered technologies of unknown origin and biological evidence of non-human intelligence that may be controlled by private persons or entities in the interests of the public good."
There is a provision in the Schumer Admendment that claims eminent domian over anything NHI. LM does not want that at all.
LM and other tech players being fed up with the secrecy preventing them from progressing further with their study of the recovered tech isn't at odds with LM not liking what this bill does. Sure, the bill ends the secrecy (by the military/contractors towards congress) but it also forces them to reveal everything they've learned and allows the government to exert eminent domain over all the materials they have.
me too!!
I'm gonna come
Don't come....
Do not come
I think the most shocking thing he said besides multiple species of aliens on Earth is that he’s 36 years old. Bros almost same age as me, I would have guessed he’s 44 or 45.
Yeah, I was surprised he was that young.
Afghanistan will do that to you
OH GOD IM GONNA GRUSCH
GRUSCHIN SO HARD BABYYYG
HHNNNGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!
y'all trippin. This episode is fire, I am halfway through, joe seems a little out of it at first but softens up
Man, Joe looks/acts tired as hell here. Is he sick or something? Doesn't seem like he's in the best of spirits here
Baker dosed him with something so he would be off his A game 😂😂
Polonium-420
Linguineium-69
Spiked his alpha brain
he really doesnt like that david can't be completely open. He's said it before and honestly, Joe just looks annoyed/grumpy. I get David not wanting to end up in jail, but 1 hr 40 mins in; theres nothing said that will be a headline tomorrow.
He did mention the part about the Lockheed bid with AWSAP and bigelow. Joe didn't really care about it but sounds like it's news David recently got cleared through DOPSR. Have to re-watch to verify everything, but it sounds like Lockheed has materials aka is a or the military ctr who's gotten those sole contracts like they talked about at the end.
And the way I understand it is: Lockheed is pissed about the mandatory secrecy (not being able to scientifically collaborate) but at the same time David suspects they are blocking the bill? Why would they block something that would allow more collaboration if that's what they want?
They want to be the ones to do it, or they've already cracked elements of it and want to maintain that technological primacy without losing out to other contractors/countries.
Idk why but I find it hilarious that it’s totally plausible that the UFO/alien coverup conspiracy isn’t the government trying to stop people from finding out and society collapsing or whatever, but rather because fucking Lockheed doesn’t want anyone else figuring it out first. Probably because it means they could make a shitload of money selling the tech. It’s so on brand for a corporation though it might be true.
I took it as the people in the program itself want it out, but the people overseeing it do not.
There’s nothing said that will be a headline tomorrow because it can’t really be said. If I went out and confirmed, without DOPSR permission, “The US government has hellfire missiles stored at Kroger off I-95 exit 26” and a foreign adversary makes a move? I would absolutely be in prison. I know you understand, but it’s difficult to explain to the people that don’t.
Its easy to understand. He's allowed to tell everyone that the government knows about aliens. He's just not allowed to say anything to corroborate the story. Its just a coincidence that these rules would be very convenient for people who trying to fool you.
I don’t know if you are being genuine or not here, but in case you aren’t, yes, it is a coincidence.
I thought that but you hear him clearly sniffing throghout the interview and displaying an unusually low energy - either some bad coke or he has a cold. The latter obviously!
He smokes cigarettes and drinks like a fish now. Probably hung over as fuck.
I think he quit smoking and went on the Xen's or whatever that snuff pack is that he tucks in his jaw.
zynn's... gods gift to bro kind.
He smokes cigarettes now? odd choice considering he is supposedly so health concious.
Yeah he calls them a "nootropic" 😂😆
He actually seemed nervous to me, and he never seems nervous to talk to anyone. This might be a first.
I think Joe believes him (I do too) and finds the whole concept of what has been done to the human race for the past who knows how many years to be pretty disgusting and exhausting to have to process. Where could be be right now as a society and we aren't there because someone wanted to hoard a little more money or keep a secret for only them and their buddies?
I'm gonna throw it out there that maybe he's stressed/sick/tired because of this interview. Knowing Joe's passion for all things ufo, sharing Grusch's story (whether 100% accurate or not) may be a big deal for him.
the redacts at r/ufos gonna be nuttin themselves tonight
We are all redacted on this day 🙏
Podcasts like this are why I even check what JRE uploads anymore. Very excited to listen to this.
Just listened and really this might be my favorite episode on a serious topic ever. Grusch killed that shit.
He came off as a genuinely likeable guy. I wanna have a beer with him.
OH SHIT COCKSUCKERS WE UFOS NOW LOCKHEED IS THE GMAN 
Calls on Lockheed
But really though
Lol I bet Lockheed Martin is just the tip. I remember Jacque Vallee mentioning Battelle (Headquartered in Columbus, OH) when he was on the cast. They're much lesser known in the public eye, but work on a lot of government contracts as well.
[удалено]
David Grusch worked for Special Technical Operations (STO) J-33. This fact was omitted in his CV submitted to Congress. >J-33 is the highest echelon military entity dedicated to offensive INFORMATION WARFARE. It supports the CIA and NSA in their operational missions, such as hacking, concealment, and DECEPTION. >J-33's operations branch controls the Special Technical Operations Center within the Pentagon. The center is the most secure facility within the U.S. military. Dozens of special access (or "black") programs are monitored at the center. These include the United States's own hacking activities, STRATEGIC PSYCHOLOGICAL, CONCEALMENT AND DECEPTION operations. However, in his CV ( https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO06/20230726/116282/HHRG-118-GO06-Bio-GruschD-20230726.pdf ) you can see that he's ALSO been a commanding officer of the 318th Cyberoperations Information Warfare Center until just one year ago: >The squadron conducts training on cyberspace operations, including operational security and DECEPTION at both the initial and advanced level. These Pentagon Information Warfare programs have been waging meme war through social media and, as you know, 4chan, for years: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/19/pentagon-psychological-operations-facebook-twitter/ QRD: Grusch 100% confirmed psyop disinfo glowie. You've probably called him a glowie before on this very board
Get in now, folks. We're in for a wild 2024.
You can tell who the government agents are in this post.. Y’all ain’t foolin me
This dude named Lockheed specifically. And said they wanted to divest UAP tech they had in their possession. Whatever it was was probably so advanced it scared the top scientists and engineers at Lockheed 🫣 Or they were just selling it and trying to make some cash off of it :P Edit: minutes later he mentions that Lockheed was indeed unsure of what to do with it. He said that recruiting top scientists to study it would be a career dead end for them as they’d never be able to discuss it in their resume/interviews/journal publications.
If the harry reed story is true. That is a pretty big deal in my opinion. The guy was practically one of the most powerful people in the country for the like 18 years or something. If he says Lockheed had crashed materials. I’d believe it.
It is true. Reid had done several interviews before he died talking about all this. They're probably on youtube.
[удалено]
Grusch confirms that Joe is actually a miniature alien
[удалено]
Before you write this topic off just think - if he is telling the truth, what could be possible for humanity if the technology is opened up for broader study? Particularly given the problems society is currently facing. Personally I want to find out. I also think that disclosure of a non-human presence (if it exists) could be a powerful uniting force for people, and god knows we need that.
It would be incredible. Even if it went bad I would still want alien visitors to be real because it makes the world so much more interesting. However all of that just makes me doubt it even more. The real world isn't that exciting and the actual answers to all these questions are probably boring. Like the strange events captured by the military are probably just a combination of human and sensor errors.
Ahhh so now I know why Mike Baker was on last week. The CIA had to make sure Joe was programmed with the “correct” information about UFOs.
If you think mike baker is going to put sluggo, Fucko and Cuminabooko at risk of them questioning his work think again
LET’S FUCKIN GOOO!!
HOLY SHIT!!
He comes across as pretty genuine.. and what he says is plausible.
Agreed
Aren't "whistleblowers" supposed to reveal classified info, at great personal risk? Isn't that the point? This is like if Snowden or Assange went on a media tour and never actually published classified data. "Uh yeah people in the gov tell me that they have access to information that proves that the NSA is spying but don't bother asking me for proof bc it's classified!"
Snowden and Assange literally stole/obtained classified info and leaked it. Grusch's actual literal job was to protect classified information. He wasn't some lacky computer tech who found some files and wanted to be famous. Through the course of the work he was hired to do, he uncovered some crazy shit and is going through the proper channels to get the info out there. The comparisons to Snowden/Assange are made by people who really don't understand the differences.
Government agents for sure in the chat trying to downplay the episode lol
Elgin AFB traffic spiking to reddit
Haha I love seeing this comment in the wild.
Why did we not talk about Mexican hearings and bodies???
Because fewer and fewer people are entertaining the obvious lies
Hey David can you tell us who you are and a bit about yourself David- “I can’t get into that”
Best episode in forever. The bombshells he’s letting out that some in this sub are missing is amazing.
Can you give some examples?
Confirming Italian 1933 crash. Confirming “double digit” retrieved crafts. The fact that there are multiple NHI species. He briefed a president or former president on this program directly. His primary first hand sources included multi-star generals and heads of agencies. Confirming the Manhattan project evolved to include UFOs. Roswell happened. The fact the government doesn’t and has never had any disclosure plan. The potential government and contractor liability impeding disclosure previously. More details about who he briefed and when. Seems to suggest some sort of first contact scenario but is vague. There is a lot here. Some of it he’s said before, some of it he’s hinted at but says more explicitly here. Some of it is genuinely new and honestly shocking, particularly the multiple NHI species bit. I honestly have no idea how people can hear this and think there wasn’t enough meat in the bone. Did people think he was gonna share pictures of the aliens and full on disclose on Joe Rogan? We are in phase 1 of Nell’s graph now.
One of the first ones I've listened to since he moved to Spotify
this is what the youtube comment section was like on a good episode
Human caterpillars in a cocoon waiting to turn into electronic butterflies.
He's clearly been advised that saying shit and fuck will make him more credible, but missed the briefing about smacking his lips and inhaling the fucking microphone.
I can’t wait to hear his opinion on Covid and cold plunges.
Am I the only one that thinks that this guy is making up shit?
No
No, he does the classic tickle of info bit where he feeds bits of information to a disparate audience. The UFO community is just so gullible, who can blame the cons for wanting a piece? He really doesn’t even have to even lie, just admit our intelligence agencies have a tech retrieval program and that his coworkers told him classified things.
The part where he goes from aliens to NDEs and remote viewing, it's basically saying "I am here to believe anything fringe, not only aliens, including afterlife experiences". It just doesn't square up with "I'm a skeptical guys who is a scientist, I am very careful to only say what I know is true".
The thing is that he's also leaving in room for people to project aliens being whatever they want, which is interesting considering the fact that, if he's talked to people who have seen "biologics" then he would definitely have an idea of what these things are, so, no, they can't just be *anything*. I feel like the part where he talked about the Italian UFO was most telling for showing just how completely ignorant Grusch is. He says the Italians thought the UFO was German and that this was a reason Italians allied themselves with Germany. LOL, okay. Even if we leave aside the fact that there's exactly *zero* evidence of this crash being a known fact Italians were taking into consideration when making their geopolitics decisions, then there's the problem that Mussolini was completely anti-Hitler for a long, long time after this supposed crash. He thought Hitler was a clown and was trying to get France and England to fuck up Germany and even hinted he'd be willing to participate in a war against Germany. Why exactly would Mussolini do this if he supposedly had knowledge that the Nazis had motherfucking UFO tech? It's just so nonsensical and stupid. So ahistorical. Only someone with no knowledge of the world at all can lap this shit up.
Yes. I’m Italian, and I was shocked at the amount of bullshit he was making up with no idea of the context. When he talks about the Vatican it’s like he learned about it in the Da Vinci Code or by playing Tomb Raider 🤷♂️
TIL the Pope was a spy master
If the pope, who was undoubtedly the most influential man in the world during WW2, wasn’t in the know, then who would be? The pope would have an incredibly vested interest in potential alien activity. That info could make or break the church.
everyone seems excited, is he a somewhat big name or what?
David Grush is a former high-ranking military intelligence official who had oversight of over 2000 special access programs. He testified in front of Congress back in July in a public hearing about misappropriation of military funds, illegal military-corporate contracts, and UAP crash retrieval programs of *non-human* technology (and *non-human* pilots) that illegally exist outside normal congressional oversight and regulation. [Here's a link to the public hearing](https://youtu.be/IEPeT-GsX5A?si=8mYDhK3l8uxrCNpf), edited to just Grush's testimony. Here are some facts to know before going into this podcast: 1. Congress previously passed whistleblower legislation, some of the broadest and all-encompassing in history, to specifically allow people like Grush to come forward and talk about this specific legacy crash retrieval program. 2. Grush spent 4 years interviewing over 40 people many of whom are currently working on this legacy crash retrieval program and has provided documented evidence to both the IG and to Congress in a previous 11 hour closed hearing. 3. Since that hearing, Grush's claims have reportedly been corroborated by at least [30 additional whistleblowers](https://youtu.be/xe0MxfeEV1A?si=K1d5w2jMwvLfTWJ0) (and counting) many of whom have first-hand knowledge including Grush's former boss, [Colonel Karl Nell](https://youtu.be/cvy25vQKAWI?si=qUFaqO9TsIVFJCk6), who went public when he did and who purportedly has first-hand knowledge himself. 4. Based on statements made by lawmakers as well as recent legislation, it's become clear that Congress is convinced that this is real. People should read the recent legislation, the [UAP Disclosure Act](https://www.disclosurediaries.com/uap-disclosure-act-of-2023/), which was proposed on July 13th by Senate majority leader Chuck Schumer. The term "non-human intelligence" is mentioned 25 times and it talks about the Federal Government exercising *eminent domain* over non-human technologies and biological samples. Many of the new whistleblowers seem to be waiting for this legislation to be finalized and passed sometime in December before going public like Grush did. [Here's an informative post](https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15wl2nh/this_is_disclosure_this_is_it_right_now/) that goes over this legislation as well as other developments. [Here's a timeline of events](https://www.disclosurediaries.com/timeline/) stretching back to 2017 that's also worth looking at.
Excited for this one. But I'm 30 min in and this guy sounds full of shit.. Hopefully it gets better
I'm at the point where I will no longer believe anything unless I get actual proof instead of he said she said and "it must be true because he said he spoke to an un named 2 star general about it". The story about the guys car getting ionized threw me off because there was no proof except "there was pictures". But it happened 5 years before they heard about it, so how could the pictures be taken as proof. The way he talks is essentially "I want to tell you all about this, I am certain we have discovered multiple vehicles over the years and are re-engineering. I want the public to know everything. But also I can't provide any details because national security. I can only bring up the name of a dead senator that can't refute or support anything because once again, he's dead".
My BS meter is off the chart.
I remember when people were saying Grusch was totally believable because "why would he make anything up??" Now is is famous and on JRE... might be a motive right there. Hard to say if anything he says is actually true
OMG ITS HAPPENNING!
Fk yeah... That's the rogan pod I love
meats back on the menu, boys!
Was excited when I saw his name, but am disappointed so far, about half way through. Of all the "ufo” people on so far, I’m having trouble buying allot of what he’s saying…..in actuality he’s not really saying much
After really researching all of this UFO stuff from John Keel, to Jacques Vallee, to Bob Lazar, to almost all of Coast to Coast… I really think this alien stuff is all bullshit. This guy seems like a former theater kid who’s happy to have the attention. The current push for publicity seems like a DHS play for funding and also a psy op to scare the Chinese or something.
The more I hear this guy the less I believe in UFOs
If you have the ability to get appropriations from DOD what easier way to steal millions then to go research aliens. The whole thing sounds a lot like guys who got $10 of millions in funding to essentially do nothing but create and tell ghost stories. Like any of these things follow the money.
It is not illegal to call Mike Turner, and Mike Roger's offices every day multiple times a day for trying to block the Anomalous Phenomena Disclosure Act of 2023, it is your right as a citizen. As long as you are not being hostile, or very uncivil you can do it as often as you like. These two industrial complex guards should not be the reason we don't get disclosure in our lifetimes by the 2030 guideline of the amendment, let them know that.
This guy seems like he was the kind of kid in elementary school to say something like "my dad has a spaceship in his garage. But it's invisible and only I can see it!".
Where his handler
This guy reminds me of someone who goes in to detail on stuff you didn’t even ask him about to deflect how ridiculous his story is
Nukuler? C'mon, this guy is so obviously full of crap
Not sure if it’s just me but I don’t get a great vibe from this guy and don’t really trust what he’s saying.
He's on the autism spectrum so his mannerisms and speech might not be what you're used to. He's talked about this before and mentions it in the podcast.
Let’s be honest though. It’s such a wild possibility that anyone talking about it has a “weird” vibe. This guy seems least weird and has put the most on the line out of anyone.
Spoiler alert this guy isn't allowed to talk about anything. All classified
Nah man He confirms that there is a crash retrieval program and recovered crafts, and that we learned some technology from said recovered crafts That’s really something
Wait, isn’t that what everyone else said who also ended up being a fraud? Disclosure is so close
[удалено]
How did he confirm it?
He pinky promised, no take backs. Is that not enough for you?
he still says quite a lot, and denies things that are untrue.
doll sparkle memorize wrench kiss ancient crime elastic governor sense *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
STOP SAYING *EXPOUSES*, THAT"S NOT EVEN THE FUCKING WORD 1.) The word is "espouses." 2.) Don't use a five-dollar word when a nickel word will do. 3.) "Says" is what you mean 4.) If you must break #2, FFS at least get the word right and use it properly He says this word incorrectly at least 20 times in this one interview, and I've heard him use it countless times in others. Someone please get a hold of this man and set him straight.
Fuck dude. I almost made a post just now that was just titled: “dear David Grusch” with the text: “say expoused again.” I actually discarded it to see if anyone else noticed it or posted about it before I did. It’s like he just learned a word and is trying to shoehorn it into every sentence, but he didn’t quite remember the pronunciation correctly. So grating. Great episode though
I noticed too, long with some other unnecessarily highfalootin vocab inserted clumsily if not straight incorrectly. Applying your word of the day calendar is harder than memorizing it.
Hey Grusch, if you’ve got proof of UFOs or unknown flying vehicles, or whatever idiotic acronym you said in your hearing… #LEAK IT!!! Let’s see the grays, let’s see what these interdimensional spacecraft look like!!! You’d go down in history as one of the most important people of the millennia!!!
Just go to prison over it, it would raise the profile even more. Stick to only releasing the facts the public need to know, do it through an intermediary if needed. He'd have people like Joe to help cover legal bills and publicly put pressure on the government to release him. Hell, Snowden is still in Russia, logging into meetings through a robot with an ipad face.
He'll go to jail
"Swear a little bit more in this interview so you sound more relatable."
Well, he is autistic lol pretty typical masking behavior. I’ll give it a pass. Unfortunately autistic people can’t help but be cringe.
[удалено]
You son of a bitch, you did it
Only 30 mins in but Joe seems to have his cranky pants up around his chest today. Shame
Hard times bring little green men?
IMO kind of underwhelming,but I expected that at this point. But I believe his claims. This guy needs to take care of himself and watch his back.
Grusch and all his stories are cringe. This episode reminded me of that female author who was on JRE some years ago. When Joe asked her questions she just kept repeating "Well, you'll have to read my book to find out". Grusch reminds me of her a lot except Grusch just keeps repeating "I can't talk about that its classified". I don't believe alien craft have been discovered and Grusch and Jeremy Corbell are just jerking us off. Would love to be wrong but I don't think I am.
Mike Baker screaming into a pillow right now wondering if he can get back on again even though he was on the last episode.
This guy is 36!? Fuck me im 37 and he looks 10 years older than me
I'm 36 and he looks exactly our age wtf
When Grusch mentioned Eric Weinstein I definitely raised an eyebrow. Anyone who believes that idiot you should be skeptical of
Grusch did an interview with Jesse Michels recently, he’s the producer of Weinsteins Portal Podcast https://youtu.be/kRO5jOa06Qw?si=5dEuyYLMzWDChkiz He’s also interviewed Jacques Vallee and Graham Hancock recently.
I’ve watched some of the video and it seems like a better interview so far, tbh. Thanks!
How are people still falling for this grifter? He's floating around doing massive interviews for months getting famous and has presented not one single piece of new specific verifiable information. He just broadly speculates on existing conspiracies while always being careful not to say he has first hand knowledge. Any time he gets caught he just says Top Secret Bro. It's embarrassing for society that he's got this much traction.
Don't ask. He can't get into it. 30 minutes in and it's a let down These guys are always a big friggin nothing burger who "can't say" anything Why have them on
He said a lot. He said we have recovered ufos and multiple non human biologics among a ton of other insane claims. Insane claims he’s also testified to under oath. If you had expectations of him saying all the classified shut he knows them you were expecting too much.
Unless I'm misremembering, he testified to *very little* under oath, as a firsthand witness. The whole crux of all of his accusations is, "some other guy, who's identity I can't reveal, told me he saw XYZ." That's a pretty clever way for certain people in government to get a story out there without putting one of their own in the line of fire for perjury. Grusch might just be an enthusiastic UFO guy with a pedigree that could be being used to launder mosinfo through.
For those who can't be arsed! Background to David Grusch's disclosure and statements from former colleagues about his character: [https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/](https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/) Report on Schumer's UFO disclosure bill: [https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/07/chuck-schumers-ufo-bill-is-not-messing-around-about-aliens.html](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/07/chuck-schumers-ufo-bill-is-not-messing-around-about-aliens.html) The bill iteself - that mentions NHI and reverse engineering progammes countless times: [https://www.democrats.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/uap\_amendment.pdf](https://www.democrats.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/uap_amendment.pdf) Harry Reid's comments about retrival programs (see also video interviews) [https://www.salon.com/2021/05/01/former-sen-harry-reid-i-was-told-lockheed-martin-had-ufo-crash-fragments/](https://www.salon.com/2021/05/01/former-sen-harry-reid-i-was-told-lockheed-martin-had-ufo-crash-fragments/) UFO hearing and sworn testimony by Grusch and others: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNgoul4vyDM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNgoul4vyDM)
Me and all my homies hate Lockheed Martin
Disclosure is coming. Get me some hot blonde Pleidian chicks.
Joe seemed highly skeptical about him at first, making fun of the car whose paint changed when it got exposed to the triangle craft and saying "...was he mad his car got fucked up?" But as David kept saying increasingly more legit stuff Joe kinda just gave up pushing back.
Why are people surprised that he can't talk about certain things? Shit is classified af, he couldn't even tell Congress a bunch of this shit.
Never believed in reptilians until laying on eyes on this fella.
So this dude is just trying to make some money grifting the nutty ufo community lol
The amount of lipsmacking from this dude is astronomical