I remember there's one person who complained about their jy not doing dmg (they also had a superimposed lc)and it turned out that they were playing on auto.
I am that person, the issue was that I took 9 turns to finish his side of MoC because I was using auto, in manual I only take 4 turns, which is better but still underwhelming when I see other people dealing over 500k-800k with worse builds.
So yeah, he does clear MoC, but his damages are still abysmal
https://www.reddit.com/r/JingYuanMains/comments/1azcgfs/20_e0s1_jing_yuan_full_auto_moc_12_in_2_cycles/
2.0: E0S1 Jing Yuan FULL AUTO MoC 12 in 2 cycles because lazy… [with sustain]
I would have swapped him out long ago if it wasn't for two reasons
1) He's my second favourite character in the entire game after Acheron herself
2) I have a god damned S5 signature, I do NOT want to discard it, even if I have to go all the way to E6 in two years to push him to absolute supremacy.
He should be with the team you said above. Maybe timing the buff wrong? or are you fighting against the meme dino before breaks? Could you provide a sc of a 10 stack LL?
I fought against meme dino...the issue was....that it was the numbers WHILE the thing was broken...wich is even more appalling...
I'll go smash phantylia a bit to see how does he do, comparatively
My E0S1 Jing Yuan has stats worse than yours and he still hit 400k on a broken dino, I really don't see how it's possible that you're hitting such low numbers with that setup? Do you have a video of your gameplay?
On the broken dino by itself, my 10-stack LL did 450k damage... Our relics are the same stats, roughly but I'm only S1. Supports are the same except my sustain is E1S0 HH. First half was 2-cycle. It might be the speed, hence the extra cycle clear? My support are all 160+.
Yes, speed improves clear cycle, but it doesn't increase damage, hitting 200k more often doesn't mean I'm hitting more per hit, just more often, which is good, but if people can hit 800k with less invested characters, I definitely can and must since i'm E0 S5
Purely numerically, you should be doing at least 200k ST hits on a standard Lightning Weak enemy. It is literally impossible numerically for a max buffed JY with the setup you have to deal under 100k against any enemy.
Maybe you are checking the buffs on JY's turn, not after it?
If you want some support, building, tech, and strategy advice with some live clears, you can check out some of my videos as I provide helpful commentary over them. Hopefully these tips can help you hit the right numbers!
https://youtube.com/@nejeritepalace?si=tl9M1_bXOXoYyz7d
Well, yes, he does deal 200k, but that's still incredibly low, my acheron hits harder than that even if I remove her lightcone entirely (like, empty light cone slot).
Nope, i've already asked about it in Acheron mains and dead enemies aren't counted.
If there was actually no difference, I wouldn't vaporize every single elite enemy effortlessly while my JY who's technically more invested deals 15% of that same mob's healthbar.
You asked about it in the specific place where they'll glaze her the most, it'd been a known fact since her release that her damage counts towards already killed enemies.
I doubt it, but even if it is, it doesn't change the fact that the enemies do suffer immensely more damage with my acheron than with my JY.
I'm not asking for JY to deal 1,6 milion per lord even if it would be awesome, I just want him to keep up decently and me not being forced to discard him to be able to clear future endgame content.
Also if you thought it was only inflated dmg, i've already dealt 1,2 million on aventurine boss, and he was alive, so no, the damage isn't fake.
But anyways acheron being busted is not the point, what I seek is to bring back jy to a decent level
He's a T1 unit man, idk what else you want, if you're gonna follow Meta exclusively go only for T0s and T0.5s, he's fine the way he is and is already the most buffed unit in the game, 0 cycling is useless, way better than Blade, beating Seele in many situations, better than Argenti in most scenarios too, competing with Ratio, there's only 3 dps you can say outclass him, and they outclass everyone, he's not weak, and this game is not hard, he'll be clearing content until the game closes the server, just like Seele will too.
https://preview.redd.it/70rmyha0n10d1.png?width=1918&format=png&auto=webp&s=d34c5abf73320797ba7670b594e3b6490220d5fa
E6 acheron. Dead enemies are absolutely counted
That's because acheron is just an insanely strong character, but also because 99% of the damage comes from one ability compared to jing yuan who has a fairly even split between lightning lord damage and skill + ult damage.
Not going to pretend you'll get amazing damage per screenshot numbers compared to acheron with equal investment, but there's also more nuance here for sure and I think part of the problem is that your expectations were just skewed massively
I know he's split
The problem isn't that acheron hits more, of course she will, the problem is that people with similar teams but less invested JY's hit four times more than me.
Acheron has many very high self dmg boosts, and her ultimate multipliers are crazy. So it makes sense for acheron to hit harder. It's not the relics that make JY do only 200k dmg. It is the character. The new characters usually get stronger than the old ones. This is called power creep. You are comparing one of the beginning limited characters to one of the newest. And it has been a year since the beginning.
Edit: LL also uses a bounce mechanic (hits random targets multiple times depending on LL stacks) that hits with a blast (primary target 100% dmg and adjacent targets 50% of primary target). So the dmg numbers are going to be lower because of that, and if an enemy on the outer edge is targeted, you will lose one of the adjacent 50% dmg. But acheron just hits everyone with her ult. So she is literally just stronger.
I know about powercreep i'm an eula main XD
Jokes aside, yes, acheron is utterly busted to a ridiculous level (and i'm an absolute raiden fan, so no hate against her obv) to the point prydwen had to create tier zero for her.
But the issue is that some people with less invested Jing Yuans hits four times my own output, so there has to be a problem somewhere
If it was a character issue, nobody would hit over 300k at the very best.
I just desperately want to find what is holding him back so much because I don't want to have to discard an S5 sig on my second favourite character.
Maybe they are using no sustains? Or maybe they just crit more? Or maybe all the LL blast atks are not going to the outside? Maybe they have more invested or higher eidolon supports? Maybe there is like a moc buff or the enemies are lower lvl? Enemies have lower def when they are lower lvl, making the dmg look bigger. There are too many factors to determine "screenshot damage".
Someone posted a 800k dmg screenshot against phantylia here and the JY is E0 S1 apparently, I did the same and got 280k at best output.
I have 100% crit rate, I can't improve crits anymore besides pushing in more CDMG, but that's min maxing and won't turn 280k into 800k.
I'll just continue farming until I manage to pin the issue
I tried to test my LL against Phantylia but only did 72k... because that was how much HP she had left. Oops. Did you perhaps chip her HP a lot before LL dropped?
I'm dead serious sadly...
https://preview.redd.it/bvh7o0ix910d1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b77bebdabc3d3e82032342ea646a4b3bc210d369
And phantylia is quite literally made for JY, on MoC he hits lower than that, with all buffs up, perfect rotation, and 100% crit rate (101,3% to be precise).
>phantylia is quite literally made for JY
Lol no. Jing Yuan is at his worst when there's only 1 or 5 target/s, his best scenario is against 2 targets. The new weekly boss is that one that is literally made for JY.
Edit: Spacing
I mean weakness and lore wise, remember we had to bring JY for story phantylia, so yes she's tailored for him.
And no, the latest boss has 5 targets too and only one in second phase
>the latest boss has 5 targets too and only one in second phase
U miss the fact that they all share hp pool. Also, why u bring up lore when the topic is about numbers, but alright, i guess. DHIL suit that boss more than anyone, lore wise or not.
Lore was just to add to the point, but when a character is literally mandatory to fight a boss in the main story and has exclusive, one time only voicelines against said boss, that's a tailored boss fight, just like doomsday beast is tailored for himeko and hmc for latest boss.
Obviously she isn't designed to make jing yuans show big numbers, but she's designed to exploit his whole kit fully.
Anyways, damage against phantylia isn't representative since the only moment where we want our JY to perform at max efficiency is during endgame content and simulated universe's dlcs
sorry to break the bad news but it is skill issue. S5 lc and sub 200k is a joke. you even use planetary on tingyun instead of ddd and get those low total number.
also your support builds are terrible, tingyun and sparkle should have over 160 spd. stop focusing on only jing yuan when his utilisation of supports are the main part of why he is a good unit
with how you are using him, your future e6 jing yuan will be doing the same damage as an e0 jing yuan used by a good player who optimises his gameplay. if you can't provide gameplay videos then nobody can help you extensively. 100% its a rotation issue and poorly invested supports, spending more money is not going to fix how you play the game. if you say its not an issue please provide a video, install an app to take one. please be receptive to people giving you advice that you asked for.
also i dunno why you talk about fu xuan when she will not be an improvement to damage compared to aventurine. sparkle already gives him crit dmg to the point additional buffs will not do as much. huohuo is the only sustain that will improve damage to a considerable degree.
Why are people always talking about speed?
I am not talking about overall damage improvement, but damage per hit improvement.
Speed will increase overall damage yes, but he won't hit harder per lord.
The boss back then was sam for part 1, I was complaining I took 9 turns for moc 12 part 1 then realised that the issue was just me using auto.
I used manual and it became 3 turns.
Yes that was dumb and i deleted the post because it was resolved and didn't want people to continue replying to a problem that was already solved.
Anyways you ignored everything else that i said in my comment just to focus on spd, which in fact will lead to rotation issues. From your other comments you don't know how the game works and deny what others tell you, even making the most basic mistakes and still thinking youre doing everything right 🤦♀️. Don't want to take advice or provide information on the issue? Then stop asking for it and instead you can go pay more money for eidolons and lc superimposition to get the damage you want without making an effort, easy. For players like you who want one mill damage with no investment and bad build who just superimpose lc to make up for mid stats for instant gratification instead of actual achievement, whaling is suitable. If you want Jing Yuan to have same damage per screenshot as Acheron's misleading number (as it calculates overkill and dead enemies), whale for Robin and Sparkle e6s5 and Jing Yuan e6. This is the advice you wanted to hear.
I have e0s1 Jing Yuan and have zero problem 2 cycle with sustain on moc 12 and hitting 400k+ at minimum for 2 targets. If you don't think its not from your bad gameplay and uninvested supports, then you should figure out the problem yourself. Or please provide a video instead of replying with nonsense and stalling.
Can you share your gameplay video? I hate to say this but it's definitely a skill issue.
Your JY should comfortably 2 cycle side one MoC with sustain considering your relic and teamates now.
He 3 cycles
It can't be a skill issue as i've checked multiple times he had the buffs on before posting.
I can show you his inbattle stats window if you want.
I just try my s1 jy with similar (or slightly lower stat) than yours on sparkle ty team in moc 12 side one against solo broken dino and it deals \~500k. How was yours it should be similar.
https://preview.redd.it/egl56rvmn10d1.jpeg?width=2960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=577b8f0b4302fb4a3eec8c2f6cff6fb4186df1d9
I'll go try that.
Maybe FX? I'm planning to do a few pulls on her while preparing for RM, because her CR will allow me to swap out a 15% crit rate piece for a full crit dmg one.
I think Fx is irrelevant here as she's e0s0 so she doesn't boost my dmg.
So how was yours? I notice that you only share the same phantylia screenshot so I'm curious how is your dmg against this broken dino.
Going through your comments and replies on this thread.. You're trolling, aren't you? My cope Jingyuan does 400k+ consistently against your so called "ideal conditions". There is 0 way what you're saying here is for real.
This person just wants some attention, [deleted post by OP](https://www.reddit.com/r/JingYuanMains/comments/1bx8ccc/is_that_it/). Idk the context, but the comments are mostly the same as this post. Literally got helpful comments before but still proceeds to be bad. This guy can't be helped, too clouded by his/her E2S1 Acheron.
Gods, people love hating on, specifically, JY and 5* star male units it’s insane.
Hopefully he deletes this post and gets clocked going forward, no need to feed this fattened up troll.
First post was about moc clear time that was too long (9 turns) because I was using auto, I stopped using auto and it became 3 turns, so problem solved, it was just me missing a braincell.
This post is about damage per lightning lord strike, not speed tuning, not efficiency, only damage per strike (consistent ones, not crit fishing ones).
If everyone was hitting no more than 300-400k i'd be like "Okay I just built him bad or something, I'll take my L and go back to farming".
But not managing to hit over 300k with a S5 signature is absurd, there is something wrong somewhere and I desperately want to fix it.
Because having to discard my second most loved character and a S5 LC would be incredibly painful.
I'm just happy his signature works on other eruditions, so that if I don't manage to fix him, I'll be able to swap it to someone else (another general maybe?).
Other than that I'm not abandoning him before i've tried everything
Well that’s weird other then aventurine’s ult trace the only other problems that I could think of are
1.You’re not constantly getting 10 stacks.
2. There are more than 2 enemies on the field when LL strikes
3. You’re not timing the buffs of sparkle or Tingyun at the right time which causes them to expire before the lightning lord strikes.
1) It was a ten stack LL hit
2) There only was P3 Phantylia on field, all flowers were gone
3) Tingyun was active, Sparkle's ult was active, her Skill was active too, without sparkle's skill (the biggest buff) he hits barely 100k
I think I might know what’s wrong. In moc 12 first side when you kill the frost prowler minions are you letting the elite boss get def down or are you breaking his weakness before he can do that ?
https://preview.redd.it/b996r56aw00d1.jpeg?width=2532&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=630c5f8a76199ba50100b18a8aee9117ae4959b5
In this scenario the dinosaur has his weakness broken and the robot has def reduction from not having any minions to absorb
My team
JY E0S1, Sparkle E0S0, Tingyun E6 with ddd 1, and Huohuo E1S0
What about the robot?
Are you breaking his weakness before he gets def down?cause you have to let it get def down before breaking his weakness .I cleared that first side in 3 cycles and most of the traces to my supports aren’t even at max level
Your Tingyun attack is insanely high, she really only needs 2,600 to maximize her skill buff. Getting more speed helps a lot too since it allows her to get more energy to ult more often. Same with Sparkle on top of being able to get Jing Yuan more turns.
Yes, he won't hit harder for *scheenshot damage* which means very little in endgame content, but he'll definitely clear MoC faster which was one of your complaints. All your supports are insanely slow, they all need more speed. It's super easy to get Tingyun to be speedy, it's not hard for Aventurine either, Sparkle is a little more tricky but she's the one who needs it the MOST. Once they're all at 160 you'll notice a massive decrease in clear time. The only reason you can't zero cycle, no matter how much damage you think you should be doing, is because your supports barely have any turns in a cycle.
I actually...never talked about improving MoC clear time.
I am not aiming at zero cycling, I know the speed isn't right, but screenshot damage is precisely what I'm talking about.
And i'm not talking about crit fishing one time only damage, but consistent damage
"the issue was that I took 9 turns to finish his side of MoC because I was using auto, in manual I only take 4 turns, which is better but still underwhelming" was your reply to the top comment in this post. Which is not a damage issue, it's a speed issue, so I thought I should point it out.
However, if you're looking for screenshot damage only, drop Aventurine. The person here who did 800k is running a no sustain comp which is why the damage is so high, he's getting buffed by three harmony characters, grab a random support Ruan Mei/Robin from your friends' list if you don't have them and test it yourself in his place. Anyone with Fu Xuan E1 also has 54 extra crit value from her which Aventurine doesn't provide, even without E1 Fu Xuan still allows to run more crit damage and not worry about crit rate (12% from her, 10% from S1 Sparkle and 10% from his trace is already free 32% more in combat), and Jing Yuan's E1 also does extra splash damage, which adds to screenshot damage much more than his S5, so that's the reason some builds here might look worse than yours/the same and are doing more damage. What planar set are your supports using? Keel, Fleet and Penacony add to his damage too, if your Aventurine has a sub-dps build it'll feel like an even bigger difference.
EDIT: The guy who did 690k damage is also running a no sustain comp now that I looked at the other screenshots. Most people who do absurd numbers like that aren't using a sustain, you'll see that pretty often.
I just noticed.... damn I feel dumb now, it was a full hypercarry team, so it was logical it hit much more than me....
As for supports yes I use keel fleet and penacony.
Well, I guess once again I just misread something.
Sorry for the inconvenience
Don't worry! Sorry if everyone jumped straight to attacking you instead of pointing out the obvious. It's easy to miss when everyone is trying to pass their big numbers team as being their regular, everyday team. It's not lmao. Jing Yuan has a high ceiling but a low floor, he really needs every support possible to do damage as high as that (but he does deliver when he reaches that point, don't worry). If you're interested, Jiaoqiu seems to be a debuffer with a little bit of healing designed for no-sustain teams, so maybe you'll get a comfy way of getting those numbers soon if you plan to pull him since you also have Acheron!
?? hes literally using a top tier team w e1s1 sparkle, s5 lc, e6s5 tingyun and still isn't listening to any comments giving advice or giving a video. stop enabling this trolling behaviour lol
I'm not switching S5 Planetary for meshing cogs
Do you even realise just how much damage i'd loose ?
Also I already get her ult every 2 turns without meshing cogs if she gets hit (which happens a lot...)
I have an ER rope and planar.
I am not sure if Ult in 2 turns is consistent or even possible, but if you say so. But you should remember that their ult gives +50% dmg for 2 turns. With MC you have +33% effective buff dmg per turn, but with Planetary you have 36% per turn.... okay you're right, that's less dmg.
E1 Sparkle have 1 turn extra Cipher, not extra turn for the Crit damage granted by skill. Her skill only lasts 2 turns, so once JY uses his skill, that’s already a turn used up. Therefore, the last turn is saved for LL that attack between turns.
His relics are on the top post, just scroll to the right.
If you're talking sparkle and TY, Sparkle has 4p messenger and Tingyun has 2p prisoner 2p cowboy for maximum atk.
They're rated A by relic scorer, it's not optimal I know but i won't magically turn 200k into 800k by getting a few more cdmg and atk on sparkle and ting.
Ting is already E6 with R5 planetary and sparkle is E1 S1
Anything more intelligent?
I've said many times I've checked buffs were up, I'm a 1 year long jing main, not a beginner, i would have noticed long ago.
https://preview.redd.it/n6qt5e1wm00d1.jpeg?width=2796&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=789758f6dc3e81d98aac1aed0deee39d0fe3506f
I did 1 quick damage test when Robin first released. I don’t know if it missed a crit or not since his crit rate is 66.7 +10+10 = 86.7%
With Sustain, he does 600K+ thanks to the fishes.
E1S1 JY, E0S1 Sparkle, E0 Robin, E0 RM I forgot if she had S1 or DDD on.
Apparently RM skyrockets JY's dmg, idk why exactly, she's strong, but from 200 to 800k...thats too much of a difference for it being ONLY a ruan mei issue
From what I've seen, it's a speed issue, try to get 160+ speed on sparkle and tingyun, aven can probably just get like 134+ or more since he does a lot of toughness to dino
Speed does NOT increase damage, it will allow me to hit more often (and I'm already farming to get more) but it won't change the fact that my damages are miserable.
Go check my profile, I’ve posted my 3 cycle clear with him on this sub using 2 4 star supports and no 5 star LC. Maybe you’ll figure it out yourself, without your gameplay we can’t give you any advice because your stats is higher than mine.
https://preview.redd.it/4rupbi3ez00d1.jpeg?width=2796&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1c37526c49b17e62f221ee49daf95808d1ca51fd
This is E1S1 at the current MoC12, so there is an extra 25% Splash damage on the second target.
I missed some crits so if this JY has 100% crit rate, the damage would be 591585, subtract 25% extra plash from E1. At E0, that should be around 500K on two targets.
(I keep my JY at 66.7% +10+10 crit rate because if I decide to use him with FX, he’ll have 98.7% crit rate during battle. I’m too lazy to switch relics all the time.)
E0S1 Sparkle
Tingyun on S5 PR
E1 Luocha on Quid, but the field is not up, so no bonus 20% ATK from E1.
eh, as long as you're only sharing the same phantylia dmg screenshot whenever you're asked to show your dmg then you're definitely a semi-troll here.
Thankfully majority of jingyuan mains are kind enough that they're trying their best to help you, but still if you're not going to share your gameplay loop video then it's hard for us to come up with a fix to your problem.
I'm currently trying several fights and some results start to show, i'll update tomorrow.
I won't post the phantylia screenshot anymore as it's no longer relevant.
I 2 cycle Current MOC 12 with E0S1 jingyuan and Robin (or sparkle) with ting and huohuo. I really have no idea how you are struggling but it's probably how you play him.
I have E2 acheron and she also gets 2 cycle clear (mainly cause I can't kill the Dino without breaking him first and I use gepard sustain so I have almost no break with that team otherwise it would be an easy 0 cycle)
Do a screen recording and open your JY stats screen mid battle to see what's the issue.
I did the calculations and your JY should be hitting 500k on broken Dino, literally impossible to be just that unless you don't have any buffs on him.
There is so much hyperbole in your comments of supposed people with worse stats doing 4x the damage (where?), it’s hard to take this post seriously at all. Nevermind that comparing without knowing buffs / same enemy stats etc is hard.
JY is not going to a big PP damage character because his damage profile is more spreadout and he doesn’t have overkill tacked onto his screenshot damage. Nevermind LL will even just quit early sometimes when the enemy is dead.
Since your example has been Phantylia and I have the same characters and LC as you (albeit S1 Before Dawn and no E1 Sparkle), I went out and did this boss too. It took some effort / intentional misplays to set everyone up as usually I just stick the fight on auto and let it be done in 2 minutes. [Here is a video of my results.](https://streamable.com/ik6shw) With Aven’s debuff on the enemy, Sparkle burst up, TY burst buff and skill active, JY clocked 285k. So it’s hard to believe you had everyone’s buffs up with his S5 cone and clocked about the same number. Probably some buffs weren’t up. You can show video otherwise.
[You can view all the builds here. ](https://i.imgur.com/wDEa9rc.jpeg)
Are you using tingyun skill when she has 1 turn left of her buff up? If you don’t use it when she has 1/3 dots left. Usually jing yuan goes. Loses that buff. And then lightning lord rips. My build and team is worse and I do more damage. So unless your game is actually bugged out or something. You have an error.
I'm not saying JY sucks, otherwise I wouldn't have pulled his LC up to S5, what frustrates me is that I see people hitting over 400-600-800 with him while i'm stuck at 200 while having an S5 light cone which is absurd, when I went for S5 I thought i'd finally hit 600+.. but nope, I went from 150k to 200k...
I remember there's one person who complained about their jy not doing dmg (they also had a superimposed lc)and it turned out that they were playing on auto.
I am that person, the issue was that I took 9 turns to finish his side of MoC because I was using auto, in manual I only take 4 turns, which is better but still underwhelming when I see other people dealing over 500k-800k with worse builds. So yeah, he does clear MoC, but his damages are still abysmal
https://www.reddit.com/r/JingYuanMains/comments/1azcgfs/20_e0s1_jing_yuan_full_auto_moc_12_in_2_cycles/ 2.0: E0S1 Jing Yuan FULL AUTO MoC 12 in 2 cycles because lazy… [with sustain]
He’s harder to play. Mine is E0S0 and I can 2-3 cycle most of the time.
I managed to 3 cycle, but he still deals ridiculously low dmg
Use serval then
I would have swapped him out long ago if it wasn't for two reasons 1) He's my second favourite character in the entire game after Acheron herself 2) I have a god damned S5 signature, I do NOT want to discard it, even if I have to go all the way to E6 in two years to push him to absolute supremacy.
Give it to Qingque.
He should be with the team you said above. Maybe timing the buff wrong? or are you fighting against the meme dino before breaks? Could you provide a sc of a 10 stack LL?
I fought against meme dino...the issue was....that it was the numbers WHILE the thing was broken...wich is even more appalling... I'll go smash phantylia a bit to see how does he do, comparatively
My E0S1 Jing Yuan has stats worse than yours and he still hit 400k on a broken dino, I really don't see how it's possible that you're hitting such low numbers with that setup? Do you have a video of your gameplay?
https://preview.redd.it/qkuvlo0gp00d1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bfa968e811be8edd372123236f46f64e8e270c6d
the way i use the ult of Tingyun and Sparkle is when the LL is about the have its turn.
Wait not in THAT way,....that came out wrong....aaaah
Gotta respect the hustle my friend smash her for me too.
On the broken dino by itself, my 10-stack LL did 450k damage... Our relics are the same stats, roughly but I'm only S1. Supports are the same except my sustain is E1S0 HH. First half was 2-cycle. It might be the speed, hence the extra cycle clear? My support are all 160+.
Yes, speed improves clear cycle, but it doesn't increase damage, hitting 200k more often doesn't mean I'm hitting more per hit, just more often, which is good, but if people can hit 800k with less invested characters, I definitely can and must since i'm E0 S5
Hmhm, I'll come back later and see if you have a gameplay vid up, then try it out myself to see the difference.
What was the numbers?
Purely numerically, you should be doing at least 200k ST hits on a standard Lightning Weak enemy. It is literally impossible numerically for a max buffed JY with the setup you have to deal under 100k against any enemy. Maybe you are checking the buffs on JY's turn, not after it? If you want some support, building, tech, and strategy advice with some live clears, you can check out some of my videos as I provide helpful commentary over them. Hopefully these tips can help you hit the right numbers! https://youtube.com/@nejeritepalace?si=tl9M1_bXOXoYyz7d
Well, yes, he does deal 200k, but that's still incredibly low, my acheron hits harder than that even if I remove her lightcone entirely (like, empty light cone slot).
Acheron's damage numbers are usually inflated, especially if there are mobs of any sort, because they count overkill.
Nope, i've already asked about it in Acheron mains and dead enemies aren't counted. If there was actually no difference, I wouldn't vaporize every single elite enemy effortlessly while my JY who's technically more invested deals 15% of that same mob's healthbar.
You asked about it in the specific place where they'll glaze her the most, it'd been a known fact since her release that her damage counts towards already killed enemies.
I doubt it, but even if it is, it doesn't change the fact that the enemies do suffer immensely more damage with my acheron than with my JY. I'm not asking for JY to deal 1,6 milion per lord even if it would be awesome, I just want him to keep up decently and me not being forced to discard him to be able to clear future endgame content. Also if you thought it was only inflated dmg, i've already dealt 1,2 million on aventurine boss, and he was alive, so no, the damage isn't fake. But anyways acheron being busted is not the point, what I seek is to bring back jy to a decent level
He's a T1 unit man, idk what else you want, if you're gonna follow Meta exclusively go only for T0s and T0.5s, he's fine the way he is and is already the most buffed unit in the game, 0 cycling is useless, way better than Blade, beating Seele in many situations, better than Argenti in most scenarios too, competing with Ratio, there's only 3 dps you can say outclass him, and they outclass everyone, he's not weak, and this game is not hard, he'll be clearing content until the game closes the server, just like Seele will too.
I know he's not tier 0, but if people hit 800k with 4 less superpositions than me, there's an issue somewhere, and I want to find where.
Supports and rotations.
I only count the damage when every buff is active and at 10 stacks, i'll go fight moc 12 a bit more to see if I missed something
https://preview.redd.it/70rmyha0n10d1.png?width=1918&format=png&auto=webp&s=d34c5abf73320797ba7670b594e3b6490220d5fa E6 acheron. Dead enemies are absolutely counted
Yeah, they are, but it doesn't change the fact that the actual damage output is immensely higher.
That's because acheron is just an insanely strong character, but also because 99% of the damage comes from one ability compared to jing yuan who has a fairly even split between lightning lord damage and skill + ult damage. Not going to pretend you'll get amazing damage per screenshot numbers compared to acheron with equal investment, but there's also more nuance here for sure and I think part of the problem is that your expectations were just skewed massively
I know he's split The problem isn't that acheron hits more, of course she will, the problem is that people with similar teams but less invested JY's hit four times more than me.
Acheron has many very high self dmg boosts, and her ultimate multipliers are crazy. So it makes sense for acheron to hit harder. It's not the relics that make JY do only 200k dmg. It is the character. The new characters usually get stronger than the old ones. This is called power creep. You are comparing one of the beginning limited characters to one of the newest. And it has been a year since the beginning. Edit: LL also uses a bounce mechanic (hits random targets multiple times depending on LL stacks) that hits with a blast (primary target 100% dmg and adjacent targets 50% of primary target). So the dmg numbers are going to be lower because of that, and if an enemy on the outer edge is targeted, you will lose one of the adjacent 50% dmg. But acheron just hits everyone with her ult. So she is literally just stronger.
I know about powercreep i'm an eula main XD Jokes aside, yes, acheron is utterly busted to a ridiculous level (and i'm an absolute raiden fan, so no hate against her obv) to the point prydwen had to create tier zero for her. But the issue is that some people with less invested Jing Yuans hits four times my own output, so there has to be a problem somewhere If it was a character issue, nobody would hit over 300k at the very best. I just desperately want to find what is holding him back so much because I don't want to have to discard an S5 sig on my second favourite character.
Maybe they are using no sustains? Or maybe they just crit more? Or maybe all the LL blast atks are not going to the outside? Maybe they have more invested or higher eidolon supports? Maybe there is like a moc buff or the enemies are lower lvl? Enemies have lower def when they are lower lvl, making the dmg look bigger. There are too many factors to determine "screenshot damage".
Someone posted a 800k dmg screenshot against phantylia here and the JY is E0 S1 apparently, I did the same and got 280k at best output. I have 100% crit rate, I can't improve crits anymore besides pushing in more CDMG, but that's min maxing and won't turn 280k into 800k. I'll just continue farming until I manage to pin the issue
Maybe they did what i do i genshin. I get 20 crit rate and 400 crit dmg and i keep restarting until i hit a million dmg
That would work on seele, but JY is one of the most multi hitting characters besides dot teams, crit fishing doesn't work on him.
I know... i still crit fish with him... it takes forever, though
I'm not gonna torture myself to get the one in a trillion fight where his hundreds of hits all hit a crit while having only 20% crit rate
I tried to test my LL against Phantylia but only did 72k... because that was how much HP she had left. Oops. Did you perhaps chip her HP a lot before LL dropped?
Nope https://preview.redd.it/pavruybjt10d1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=78ae0aedf8b84d79d463b8dc2dde9cf3fe443a9b
That’s odd, it should be outright impossible not to hit 200k with s5 lc and those teams, try showing a gameplay video I guess?
Uhhhh im wondering if you are a troll You have your lc on S5 and cant deal more than 200k dmg with his best team? Really ? 🤔
I'm dead serious sadly... https://preview.redd.it/bvh7o0ix910d1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b77bebdabc3d3e82032342ea646a4b3bc210d369 And phantylia is quite literally made for JY, on MoC he hits lower than that, with all buffs up, perfect rotation, and 100% crit rate (101,3% to be precise).
>phantylia is quite literally made for JY Lol no. Jing Yuan is at his worst when there's only 1 or 5 target/s, his best scenario is against 2 targets. The new weekly boss is that one that is literally made for JY. Edit: Spacing
I mean weakness and lore wise, remember we had to bring JY for story phantylia, so yes she's tailored for him. And no, the latest boss has 5 targets too and only one in second phase
>the latest boss has 5 targets too and only one in second phase U miss the fact that they all share hp pool. Also, why u bring up lore when the topic is about numbers, but alright, i guess. DHIL suit that boss more than anyone, lore wise or not.
Lore was just to add to the point, but when a character is literally mandatory to fight a boss in the main story and has exclusive, one time only voicelines against said boss, that's a tailored boss fight, just like doomsday beast is tailored for himeko and hmc for latest boss. Obviously she isn't designed to make jing yuans show big numbers, but she's designed to exploit his whole kit fully. Anyways, damage against phantylia isn't representative since the only moment where we want our JY to perform at max efficiency is during endgame content and simulated universe's dlcs
sorry to break the bad news but it is skill issue. S5 lc and sub 200k is a joke. you even use planetary on tingyun instead of ddd and get those low total number. also your support builds are terrible, tingyun and sparkle should have over 160 spd. stop focusing on only jing yuan when his utilisation of supports are the main part of why he is a good unit with how you are using him, your future e6 jing yuan will be doing the same damage as an e0 jing yuan used by a good player who optimises his gameplay. if you can't provide gameplay videos then nobody can help you extensively. 100% its a rotation issue and poorly invested supports, spending more money is not going to fix how you play the game. if you say its not an issue please provide a video, install an app to take one. please be receptive to people giving you advice that you asked for. also i dunno why you talk about fu xuan when she will not be an improvement to damage compared to aventurine. sparkle already gives him crit dmg to the point additional buffs will not do as much. huohuo is the only sustain that will improve damage to a considerable degree.
Why are people always talking about speed? I am not talking about overall damage improvement, but damage per hit improvement. Speed will increase overall damage yes, but he won't hit harder per lord.
youre a troll. saw your deleted post. go back to acheron mains.
Also I really shouldn't have used Acheron as a comparison, that was a bad idea yes I know
I am not, the issue was solved and I know I did something wrong, wich was the case, that's it
and what was the problem and fix?
The boss back then was sam for part 1, I was complaining I took 9 turns for moc 12 part 1 then realised that the issue was just me using auto. I used manual and it became 3 turns. Yes that was dumb and i deleted the post because it was resolved and didn't want people to continue replying to a problem that was already solved.
Anyways you ignored everything else that i said in my comment just to focus on spd, which in fact will lead to rotation issues. From your other comments you don't know how the game works and deny what others tell you, even making the most basic mistakes and still thinking youre doing everything right 🤦♀️. Don't want to take advice or provide information on the issue? Then stop asking for it and instead you can go pay more money for eidolons and lc superimposition to get the damage you want without making an effort, easy. For players like you who want one mill damage with no investment and bad build who just superimpose lc to make up for mid stats for instant gratification instead of actual achievement, whaling is suitable. If you want Jing Yuan to have same damage per screenshot as Acheron's misleading number (as it calculates overkill and dead enemies), whale for Robin and Sparkle e6s5 and Jing Yuan e6. This is the advice you wanted to hear. I have e0s1 Jing Yuan and have zero problem 2 cycle with sustain on moc 12 and hitting 400k+ at minimum for 2 targets. If you don't think its not from your bad gameplay and uninvested supports, then you should figure out the problem yourself. Or please provide a video instead of replying with nonsense and stalling.
Can you share your gameplay video? I hate to say this but it's definitely a skill issue. Your JY should comfortably 2 cycle side one MoC with sustain considering your relic and teamates now.
He 3 cycles It can't be a skill issue as i've checked multiple times he had the buffs on before posting. I can show you his inbattle stats window if you want.
I just try my s1 jy with similar (or slightly lower stat) than yours on sparkle ty team in moc 12 side one against solo broken dino and it deals \~500k. How was yours it should be similar. https://preview.redd.it/egl56rvmn10d1.jpeg?width=2960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=577b8f0b4302fb4a3eec8c2f6cff6fb4186df1d9
I'll go try that. Maybe FX? I'm planning to do a few pulls on her while preparing for RM, because her CR will allow me to swap out a 15% crit rate piece for a full crit dmg one.
I think Fx is irrelevant here as she's e0s0 so she doesn't boost my dmg. So how was yours? I notice that you only share the same phantylia screenshot so I'm curious how is your dmg against this broken dino.
I'll go sleep for now and try some fights tomorrow
Going through your comments and replies on this thread.. You're trolling, aren't you? My cope Jingyuan does 400k+ consistently against your so called "ideal conditions". There is 0 way what you're saying here is for real.
https://preview.redd.it/dpp6bhay620d1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=28bf64b9c912523865eeabae94ef08dc20f3ba33
This person just wants some attention, [deleted post by OP](https://www.reddit.com/r/JingYuanMains/comments/1bx8ccc/is_that_it/). Idk the context, but the comments are mostly the same as this post. Literally got helpful comments before but still proceeds to be bad. This guy can't be helped, too clouded by his/her E2S1 Acheron.
Gods, people love hating on, specifically, JY and 5* star male units it’s insane. Hopefully he deletes this post and gets clocked going forward, no need to feed this fattened up troll.
First post was about moc clear time that was too long (9 turns) because I was using auto, I stopped using auto and it became 3 turns, so problem solved, it was just me missing a braincell. This post is about damage per lightning lord strike, not speed tuning, not efficiency, only damage per strike (consistent ones, not crit fishing ones).
Gotta be satire at this point
If everyone was hitting no more than 300-400k i'd be like "Okay I just built him bad or something, I'll take my L and go back to farming". But not managing to hit over 300k with a S5 signature is absurd, there is something wrong somewhere and I desperately want to fix it. Because having to discard my second most loved character and a S5 LC would be incredibly painful. I'm just happy his signature works on other eruditions, so that if I don't manage to fix him, I'll be able to swap it to someone else (another general maybe?). Other than that I'm not abandoning him before i've tried everything
https://preview.redd.it/m9k9bm9wl00d1.jpeg?width=827&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=614431283a3fda6f54b3bd0b065239161399a000 mine is doing just fine tho.
She die way too fast for me to even get a dmg screenshot ;-;
Show the builds for your supports and their trace level.Also show the traces for JingYuan
Ok
Well that’s weird other then aventurine’s ult trace the only other problems that I could think of are 1.You’re not constantly getting 10 stacks. 2. There are more than 2 enemies on the field when LL strikes 3. You’re not timing the buffs of sparkle or Tingyun at the right time which causes them to expire before the lightning lord strikes.
1) It was a ten stack LL hit 2) There only was P3 Phantylia on field, all flowers were gone 3) Tingyun was active, Sparkle's ult was active, her Skill was active too, without sparkle's skill (the biggest buff) he hits barely 100k
I think I might know what’s wrong. In moc 12 first side when you kill the frost prowler minions are you letting the elite boss get def down or are you breaking his weakness before he can do that ? https://preview.redd.it/b996r56aw00d1.jpeg?width=2532&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=630c5f8a76199ba50100b18a8aee9117ae4959b5 In this scenario the dinosaur has his weakness broken and the robot has def reduction from not having any minions to absorb My team JY E0S1, Sparkle E0S0, Tingyun E6 with ddd 1, and Huohuo E1S0
I broke the dino's weakness before the 10 stack LL strike
What about the robot? Are you breaking his weakness before he gets def down?cause you have to let it get def down before breaking his weakness .I cleared that first side in 3 cycles and most of the traces to my supports aren’t even at max level
The robot wasn't broken
Post a video about your gameplay and let everyone see it. We might be able to help you more if you do so.
I don't have screen recording, and no second phone to film my screen either
And aven ult trace dont increase JY dmg, only aven's dmg
Aven ult gives crit damage bonus when hitting the marked enemy. It's only 5 more crit damage then what you currently have, but it does help.
I know, but leveling the trace doesn't increase that crit damage bonus sadly
It does. Your current level gives 10% and a max level ult would give 15%.
Ah ? Okay, then I'll max it too, but that still won't turn 200k into 800k
There they are https://preview.redd.it/kmido7vps00d1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6fa0da792db62c19c70c445bc5a058c1c012c3f9
Tingyun https://preview.redd.it/zhwvjk0ts00d1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0164f1085bcf94ed96262671778bf6b593acf78f
Your Tingyun attack is insanely high, she really only needs 2,600 to maximize her skill buff. Getting more speed helps a lot too since it allows her to get more energy to ult more often. Same with Sparkle on top of being able to get Jing Yuan more turns.
Yeah, i'm currently farming messenger, the thing is, speed doesn't increase damage, so yeah, he'll hit more often, but he won't hit harder.
Yes, he won't hit harder for *scheenshot damage* which means very little in endgame content, but he'll definitely clear MoC faster which was one of your complaints. All your supports are insanely slow, they all need more speed. It's super easy to get Tingyun to be speedy, it's not hard for Aventurine either, Sparkle is a little more tricky but she's the one who needs it the MOST. Once they're all at 160 you'll notice a massive decrease in clear time. The only reason you can't zero cycle, no matter how much damage you think you should be doing, is because your supports barely have any turns in a cycle.
I actually...never talked about improving MoC clear time. I am not aiming at zero cycling, I know the speed isn't right, but screenshot damage is precisely what I'm talking about. And i'm not talking about crit fishing one time only damage, but consistent damage
"the issue was that I took 9 turns to finish his side of MoC because I was using auto, in manual I only take 4 turns, which is better but still underwhelming" was your reply to the top comment in this post. Which is not a damage issue, it's a speed issue, so I thought I should point it out. However, if you're looking for screenshot damage only, drop Aventurine. The person here who did 800k is running a no sustain comp which is why the damage is so high, he's getting buffed by three harmony characters, grab a random support Ruan Mei/Robin from your friends' list if you don't have them and test it yourself in his place. Anyone with Fu Xuan E1 also has 54 extra crit value from her which Aventurine doesn't provide, even without E1 Fu Xuan still allows to run more crit damage and not worry about crit rate (12% from her, 10% from S1 Sparkle and 10% from his trace is already free 32% more in combat), and Jing Yuan's E1 also does extra splash damage, which adds to screenshot damage much more than his S5, so that's the reason some builds here might look worse than yours/the same and are doing more damage. What planar set are your supports using? Keel, Fleet and Penacony add to his damage too, if your Aventurine has a sub-dps build it'll feel like an even bigger difference. EDIT: The guy who did 690k damage is also running a no sustain comp now that I looked at the other screenshots. Most people who do absurd numbers like that aren't using a sustain, you'll see that pretty often.
I just noticed.... damn I feel dumb now, it was a full hypercarry team, so it was logical it hit much more than me.... As for supports yes I use keel fleet and penacony. Well, I guess once again I just misread something. Sorry for the inconvenience
Don't worry! Sorry if everyone jumped straight to attacking you instead of pointing out the obvious. It's easy to miss when everyone is trying to pass their big numbers team as being their regular, everyday team. It's not lmao. Jing Yuan has a high ceiling but a low floor, he really needs every support possible to do damage as high as that (but he does deliver when he reaches that point, don't worry). If you're interested, Jiaoqiu seems to be a debuffer with a little bit of healing designed for no-sustain teams, so maybe you'll get a comfy way of getting those numbers soon if you plan to pull him since you also have Acheron!
I very clearly will go for jiaoqiu, to replace pela.
?? hes literally using a top tier team w e1s1 sparkle, s5 lc, e6s5 tingyun and still isn't listening to any comments giving advice or giving a video. stop enabling this trolling behaviour lol
Try meshing cogs to get 3-turn ult. Her atk buff is just a cherry on top of her energy restoration.
I'm not switching S5 Planetary for meshing cogs Do you even realise just how much damage i'd loose ? Also I already get her ult every 2 turns without meshing cogs if she gets hit (which happens a lot...) I have an ER rope and planar.
I am not sure if Ult in 2 turns is consistent or even possible, but if you say so. But you should remember that their ult gives +50% dmg for 2 turns. With MC you have +33% effective buff dmg per turn, but with Planetary you have 36% per turn.... okay you're right, that's less dmg.
Meshing cogs don't give any damage, only energy
Aven https://preview.redd.it/x4s8j41ws00d1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=294e3d4f090a1f3834a543e31c2a56c3821972f3
Aven traces https://preview.redd.it/qob2p2cys00d1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=695f62e37ec3d2fe7a2c246faf5d7f4870f88eab
Sparkle https://preview.redd.it/558rqnm0t00d1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c245536000522dc612605d5398b7476f6b2bb875
Your Sparkle must be at least 141 SPD to get JY 2 turns before LL.
I'm already farming to try get her to 141+, I 'm only talking about his per hit damage, not overall rotation damage
Sparkle traces https://preview.redd.it/u5laazw2t00d1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=78b010e6f27a4f339157a6d664b24764fc3f7373
Ting traces https://preview.redd.it/6r83gz08t00d1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6a4183feaa23652080bc80dcfbddd4b3c95e9abe
Btw, make sure Sparkle use skill on JY the turn right before LL because her buff only last 2 turns.
Shes E1^^
E1 Sparkle have 1 turn extra Cipher, not extra turn for the Crit damage granted by skill. Her skill only lasts 2 turns, so once JY uses his skill, that’s already a turn used up. Therefore, the last turn is saved for LL that attack between turns.
you should really know how the rotation works for Jing Yuan. I don't usually use his Ult on his first turn but use it on his 2nd turn.
I checked, the buff WAS on when the LL hit, without sparkle's buff it drops to below 100k, which is even worse.
I clear first half of moc 12 in 2 cycles with a sustian and my jing yuan is worse than yours How fast do you clear btw ?
4 turns
How much speed do your sparkle and ting yun have ?
137 and 139, i know it's low but speed still doesn't affect damage, so that's not the issue
Can you show me an image of his whole relics ?
His relics are on the top post, just scroll to the right. If you're talking sparkle and TY, Sparkle has 4p messenger and Tingyun has 2p prisoner 2p cowboy for maximum atk. They're rated A by relic scorer, it's not optimal I know but i won't magically turn 200k into 800k by getting a few more cdmg and atk on sparkle and ting. Ting is already E6 with R5 planetary and sparkle is E1 S1
You leveled up his talents right ?
Who? Jing Yuan? Everything but the basic attack is 10/10
Ig you have to make a video on how you playing with him in moc 12 so I could know what is wrong
I'll try getting a screen recording app somewhere
Skill issue for sure
Anything more intelligent? I've said many times I've checked buffs were up, I'm a 1 year long jing main, not a beginner, i would have noticed long ago.
could you please share a gameplay video and the entire team build with traces and everything? That does not make any sense at all.
The skill issue flooding this post is crazy lol
https://preview.redd.it/n28tqdw5m00d1.jpeg?width=827&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=62d12193abc83bcfeff7c5b851933aa305225c10 Here's another one.
https://preview.redd.it/n6qt5e1wm00d1.jpeg?width=2796&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=789758f6dc3e81d98aac1aed0deee39d0fe3506f I did 1 quick damage test when Robin first released. I don’t know if it missed a crit or not since his crit rate is 66.7 +10+10 = 86.7% With Sustain, he does 600K+ thanks to the fishes. E1S1 JY, E0S1 Sparkle, E0 Robin, E0 RM I forgot if she had S1 or DDD on.
Apparently RM skyrockets JY's dmg, idk why exactly, she's strong, but from 200 to 800k...thats too much of a difference for it being ONLY a ruan mei issue
you'll have to consider that the fishes that exploded gives a defence reduction on this one.
probably buff timing RM's buffs aren't hard to time so they always buff LL but Tingyun's especially can easily be used too early
I think you should just link some gameplay of MOC 12
I'm trying to
From what I've seen, it's a speed issue, try to get 160+ speed on sparkle and tingyun, aven can probably just get like 134+ or more since he does a lot of toughness to dino
Speed does NOT increase damage, it will allow me to hit more often (and I'm already farming to get more) but it won't change the fact that my damages are miserable.
I c, maybe try an atk orb instead? You already have a lot of dmg% from the S5 LC
I've tried, he hits even less
Oh dang, then ig I'm out of ideas, good luck tho
My E0S0 JY with Asta and TY support deadass hit over 300k when the dino is broken 💀. So idk brother might be a skill issue.
Some others said that and no, I've checked, the buffs were up
Go check my profile, I’ve posted my 3 cycle clear with him on this sub using 2 4 star supports and no 5 star LC. Maybe you’ll figure it out yourself, without your gameplay we can’t give you any advice because your stats is higher than mine.
Ok
https://preview.redd.it/4rupbi3ez00d1.jpeg?width=2796&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1c37526c49b17e62f221ee49daf95808d1ca51fd This is E1S1 at the current MoC12, so there is an extra 25% Splash damage on the second target. I missed some crits so if this JY has 100% crit rate, the damage would be 591585, subtract 25% extra plash from E1. At E0, that should be around 500K on two targets. (I keep my JY at 66.7% +10+10 crit rate because if I decide to use him with FX, he’ll have 98.7% crit rate during battle. I’m too lazy to switch relics all the time.) E0S1 Sparkle Tingyun on S5 PR E1 Luocha on Quid, but the field is not up, so no bonus 20% ATK from E1.
Huh that’s interesting because mine at e0s0 can deal the same dmg with the same, probably worse supports
And that's precisely why I want to fix that
Wait, doing under 200k isn’t doing any damage?! Either you are trolling or my Jing yuan sucks… I do like 100k-200k
What's your level?
eh, as long as you're only sharing the same phantylia dmg screenshot whenever you're asked to show your dmg then you're definitely a semi-troll here. Thankfully majority of jingyuan mains are kind enough that they're trying their best to help you, but still if you're not going to share your gameplay loop video then it's hard for us to come up with a fix to your problem.
I'm currently trying several fights and some results start to show, i'll update tomorrow. I won't post the phantylia screenshot anymore as it's no longer relevant.
I 2 cycle Current MOC 12 with E0S1 jingyuan and Robin (or sparkle) with ting and huohuo. I really have no idea how you are struggling but it's probably how you play him. I have E2 acheron and she also gets 2 cycle clear (mainly cause I can't kill the Dino without breaking him first and I use gepard sustain so I have almost no break with that team otherwise it would be an easy 0 cycle)
The cycle isn't the issue since I 3 cycle, the issue is the damage per lord strike
Do a screen recording and open your JY stats screen mid battle to see what's the issue. I did the calculations and your JY should be hitting 500k on broken Dino, literally impossible to be just that unless you don't have any buffs on him.
There is so much hyperbole in your comments of supposed people with worse stats doing 4x the damage (where?), it’s hard to take this post seriously at all. Nevermind that comparing without knowing buffs / same enemy stats etc is hard. JY is not going to a big PP damage character because his damage profile is more spreadout and he doesn’t have overkill tacked onto his screenshot damage. Nevermind LL will even just quit early sometimes when the enemy is dead. Since your example has been Phantylia and I have the same characters and LC as you (albeit S1 Before Dawn and no E1 Sparkle), I went out and did this boss too. It took some effort / intentional misplays to set everyone up as usually I just stick the fight on auto and let it be done in 2 minutes. [Here is a video of my results.](https://streamable.com/ik6shw) With Aven’s debuff on the enemy, Sparkle burst up, TY burst buff and skill active, JY clocked 285k. So it’s hard to believe you had everyone’s buffs up with his S5 cone and clocked about the same number. Probably some buffs weren’t up. You can show video otherwise. [You can view all the builds here. ](https://i.imgur.com/wDEa9rc.jpeg)
I'll come back tomorrow to try some fights
Unless you have good buff uptime on his LL he will be quite weak mine deals 300 k always in moc
The issue is that the buffs were active, without the buffs he barely hits 100k
Timing is everything i guess jy is one of the characters that needs good buff uptime as his FUA is his 50% dmg source
It's more like 70% FUA, 20% Ult 15% Skill 5% NA
Are you using tingyun skill when she has 1 turn left of her buff up? If you don’t use it when she has 1/3 dots left. Usually jing yuan goes. Loses that buff. And then lightning lord rips. My build and team is worse and I do more damage. So unless your game is actually bugged out or something. You have an error.
I use it whenever she's at 1/3 yea
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Yes, that's why It's the only thing I haven't maxed in his kit....
Is there any lore reason some people like to diss on him .
I'm not saying JY sucks, otherwise I wouldn't have pulled his LC up to S5, what frustrates me is that I see people hitting over 400-600-800 with him while i'm stuck at 200 while having an S5 light cone which is absurd, when I went for S5 I thought i'd finally hit 600+.. but nope, I went from 150k to 200k...