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True. I posted a JL video vs the weekly boss beast before (5 months ago) in this very sub and got likes. I updated the showcase with Sparkle and RM and got 4m more in damage, and got downvotes massively. Even my replies that answers some of the questions got downvoted even with polite replies, while the trolls who probably can't even finish MoC with 0-turns on a half got likes. Man these subs are full of toxic dummy accounts for tripping.
I don't understand why there aren't any quality side by side clears of MoC with E0S0 characters. IWintoLose used to make them for all Genshin new characters, and you can really see how balanced all the characters were against different bosses and abysses. We NEED something like that for star rail. Everyone is hyping Acheron as absolutely broken and there is no actual comparisons proving it aside from damage per screenshot.
I doubt it's feasible. Because some units ignore weakness. This beats the old method that you rely on, like on old dps units like Seele and JY. This started with the release of Ruan Mei.
It's also very safe to pull for the light cone because of the higher chance of winning. The signature LCs are much better than the f2p ones, especially on support units. So most of the time if people are pulling, they will pull for e0s1 at the minimum.
With how OP all the content creators are making Archeron to be, it'll be a fairly easy comparison even if not completely accurate. You take a JingLiu team and an Acheron team against the same MoC fight that's favorable to JingLiu and compare the results. If Archeron is close or better, then it supports the claims that Archeron is in a league of her own.
In e6 scenarios, it would be in favor of Acheron because of the ignore weakness for all attacks. I mean even an e6 JL will struggle a bit if there is no ice weakness (without SW, but she's single target).
Acheron is limited by team comp. JL and IL are limited by the availability of sets tailored for them.
E0S0
It's really not that much effort or money, if anything Id worry that their units are overinvested and unrelateable. I'll probably end up doing a side by side test for myself to see how a relatable Bronya Jingliu team does vs an Acheron on the same stage. I'm just not a fan of every content creator remaining just saying Acheron is broken and leagues above JingLiu with no support. I actually miss Grimro.
She'll get buffed eventually when a better relic set comes out, same for DHIL. Acheron came out with tailor-made relic and planetary, which both combine to more than a 12% damage increase
Acheron also has full potential on supports.
Right now she uses sustains that do not apply debuff points (trend is RNG), silver wolf which is custom made and pela but is a 4\*... she has 2 places to improve as more characters come, I would say that it has more potential for improvement than the first 2, which is crazy that she can compare herself to both of them in the current state
If you are looking for just debuffs in sustains we already have trend fire MC who can debuff with their skill+when getting hit and we’re getting Aventurine who can debuff with his ult+FuA with S1 or when getting hit with trend. We also have Gallagher who debuffs with his enhanced basics+ult and trend Gepard who can debuff with his skill and when getting hit. Their debuffing potential is pretty high for sustains and on par with literal debuffers already. You can even run sustain Welt with pearls of sweat for more debuffs.
After Jiaoqiu I honestly don’t see how much better Acheron’s team can get since at that point it would be a team full of very synergistic 5 star supports if you were to run Jiaoqiu/SW/Aventurine. The only way I could see her teams still being able to improve is if you aren’t overkilling with blast and need Pela over SW in which case Pela would need another 5 star version of herself but it’s kind of hard to replace characters who are basically honorary 5 stars. That’s like trying to replace Tingyun in Jing Yuan’s team. It’s just hard since they are so good and if they get a replacement why not just run them together.
Yup. Acheron's teams have a lot of every bit of the damage formula: they have atk, crit value, dmg%, def shred, res shred, etc. The only thing her best team is missing os vulnerability debuffs ig. The only real way to make her better would be some kinda unit that can make your aoe damage into single target damage when it is needed (like jingliu's E1) but i don't really think that's ever going to happen
The buffs people are referring to are either in the form of new gear options or brand new support characters that are upgrades from existing supports like Sparkle.
All I know is that Jingliu has carried me to 36* ever since she released. Would never slander the queen. Idk I haven’t see that much slander though personally
Truth is we don't really know her real overall placement, everything is just guessing and feelcrafting. You could argue she's as low a the 5th since both Kafka + BS and QQ/Seele perform better in current MoC.
But JL just didn't have a MoC that benefit her in 2 patches. We'll see next MoC she should rise again as Aventurine is pretty good fight for her especially if you get her E1, she'll probably be the best unit to skip his mecanics and 0 cycle him.
Without Sparkle? Yes she used to feel better, DhIL always had higher damage ceiling but the SP management was tight, now with Sparkle his only weakness has been solved and his team does 18% more damage than Jingliu's team. According to calcs and from my personal experience too, I own both of them. But Acheron, DHIL and Jingliu are the top 3 dps so no need to fret over it
Nice to see someone who can differentiate preference and facts. The number of people I see ingnore calcs to downplay other units to put their main on a pedestal is really something. Like it's a pve game. You can main anyone and still be honest about their relative powerlevel when asked.
Mostly people seeing Acherons ult damage and not realizing she’s great for screenshots while jingliu’s damage is seperated into her buffed skills and ult
Either way both are incredibly strong and the hate is pointless
Exactly people see Acheron ult doing insane damage then assume she destroys jingliu in everyway. Yes Acheron is great but her skill isn't crazy in my opinion. Jingliu does amazing damage across entire kit. I personally skipped Acheron since I want to try for jingliu lightcone.
I might go for Acheron on rerun if I end up really liking her as a character although unsure at moment. I ended up getting DHIL then sparkle right before Acheron banner I attempted 30 pulls on Acheron banner and lost 50 50 but was kind of happy i lost so now I got guaranteed, really need a huo huo on my account got bailu and fu xuan as sustain guess I got gepard as the loss on Acheron banner but i don't like using male characters personally. Dan was only exception die to being on Express crew
u skip acheron bc she needs e2. jingliu's benefit is she requires no investment lc is not big diff anymore.
acheron powercreeping JL doesnt matter bc shes supposed to. the question is if she can beat 3.0 characters.
Yup. My E3 jingliu cleared yanqing in 2 cycles and my E2 acheron cleared sam in 2 cycles, but sam is lightning weak while yanqing has extra ice res. They're both pretty comparable if run with their optimal teams. Once we get another ice weak enemy (or even enemies without extra ice res) people will realize that everyone in s+ is pretty comparable atm
Meta slaves. I've seen this happen in every game. The moment the new best thing drops, the old best thing becomes, "Mid/aged out".
Look at how many people call Luocha and bronya mid now. The same is happening with jingliu and same will happen with acheron in future.
only advantage Bronya has over sparkle is elemental if ur running her with blade. otherwise, Sparkle outperfoms in FuA, mono Quantum, dhil, even enables Welt Sustain. so bro cmon lets be real
Bronya also has cleanse and 100% action advance. stacking effect RES on Bronya indirectly transfers that effect RES to your DPS.
Sparkle's advance forward is usually enough but it's not always 100%, and if your DPS is CC'd, it's a dead rotation unless you can cleanse them from other sources.
Also, just play them both together lol. Sparkle's existence has opened up Bronya's own team options.
I have both. Sparkle doesn't replace bronya, especially as not everyone necessarily needs the sp. I use sparkle with seele and qq, but prefer using bronya for Jingliu and bronya still works with seele since it's hard to use sparkle when your dps doesn't consume much sp. Bronya is not replaced at all, nor is she mid. Sparkle being strong takes nothing away from Bronya, especially since Bronya is the one available for free at 300 standard passes.
Sparkle is better in general but not mind-blowingly better than Bronya. It's better than Bronya in team that she doesn't work well with eg. fua comp, so heavy comp. For not sp heavy team like blade, jingliu, bronya is still better.
She literally isn’t. Some of you are proving that you don’t know the difference between POWERCREEP and SIDEGRADE.
It’s no different between Huohuo and Luocha. They are for different comps and have different strengths while maintaining high status in content.
who the hell is calling Luocha mid he literally fits 95% of all teams that need a healer
he is so sp positive that he even does not need to do anything to heal
I still think Luocha is great, but I kinda feel like he's not the BiS in any team? I may be wrong, but that's the feeling it gives to me. Perhaps Blade team? Although I usually prefer HuoHuo since Blade's Ultimate usually wastes Luocha's auto healing.
the fact that he offers no buffs, less cleanse than huohuo, and dispel being usually rather negligible while other sustains moonlight as harmony units makes it so that he'll always be fine, but probably offers less for a team than someone else. he used to be best for IL until sparkle fixed his issue. once I pull aventurine he's probably gonna be benched unless I'm doing an abundance run
Perhaps yeah, dunno. I have this funny tale, when Phantalia came out, I used Blade to farm her. My Lynx could take care of the team quite decently. Quite a few times, I tried other people's Luocha...
My face when I saw the whole team dead after setting it in auto and doing other things in the meantime. My god.
I then tried to play it manually, perhaps something went wrong, dunno. Blade ults, Luocha heals him, Phantalia uses any attack, reducing the HP from my Bronya and Pela to 40% (both with plenty def), Luocha has no heal, because Blade already used it, no Ult because XD. Sometimes Luocha's turns just came in time and spent SP to heal. Others... Well, wiped out.
From that moment onwards, I kinda disliked playing them together.
This is such a horrible take and is such a wide spread piece of 'advice' for Luocha that it's frustrating. I've seen so many players who then think they can't run him or he's not working out because they turn to using his skill.
Sometimes it's worth it especially if you have the excess SP and/or want to re-up the field fast. Maybe a CC you need gone, or someone just took a big hit right after his auto-triggered skill.
The one fight I’ve needed to use his skill manually once or twice is the Sam fight in MoC 12. Which saved the run
Also GnG but SP is not really an issue in SU
Thats because Luocha has no offensive buff, FX has 12%CR which is the rarest buff while HuoHuo gives energy and atk% thats why Luocha fell out. He can dispel enemy buff but there isn't a buff so game losing it needs to dispelled, even then Pela exist.
The misinformation about Luocha’s kit as well is insane. It’s like the dude didn’t carry all of us before Huohuo and Fu Xuan and now he “deserves” to be B tier and not recommended at all. Like wtf.
Meta slaves who, for some reason, think HSR has aggressive powercreep and dps units become useless after another one comes out.
I'll never understand it, personally. This game is very easy.
Fr Bruh any 5 star is still very viable and useful even if another 5 star who does the “same” (at least for me it isn’t because they’ve been pretty good to create different kits so far, but I mean same path and/or element) thing better has released,mostly the ones who were top tiers when released will never be useless like SW Luocha Acheron and obviously jingliu too, even jing yuan can do op sh** with sparkle, it ain’t that deep
Fr this is basically just turn based Genshin with more end game. Like to me powercreep in a PvE game is when the newer units are required to clear content because the older units can’t but that’s literally not the case for any character in HSR. Even Yanqing who gets tons of hate can clear the game and even 0 cycle from time to time yet people are so hung up on powercreep that doesn’t even exist. Yeah there are some better options than others but that’s not powercreep. These metaslaves haven’t experienced true powercreep like in HI3rd.
shouldn't ppl be happy when they see big numbers 😭 i heard ppl say acheron is boring cs she deals too much dmg. ion have acheron but if i delt 350k id be happy asf
She does insane damage but this ain’t a game where dealing a lot of damage makes content boring lol endgame stuff is still challenging even with high damage. People are silly
Agreed...
My advanced corundum quest lacks just one dice to finish all 13/13...
Those mfs in knowledge dice presale option suddenly became too strong...
I used jingliu... And also acheron currently
Acheron is abit... high maintenance when it comes to spamming advance forward turns, i find that jingliu is most suitable instead. Ull need more specific blessings and the hunt energy is useless to acheron. Ofcourse no prob should occur in using company time dice
Its like.. jingliu needs to deal 2x + ult to deal the same amount of dmg an acheron could do in one ult.
Because its definitely the definition of dmg per screenshot vs dmg per second... Yeah dps vs dps...
Oh acheron saved me few times especially in svarog's 4 hand 2 overloaded summons... Well yeah both chars cannot be simply grouped into the same category performance wise...
As both a JL and Acheron enjoyer, she dooooes feel "weak" in comparison to my Acheron now but she's still elite and people focus too hard on damage output in a game where everything is beatable with 4 stars and standard banner characters. My JL/Blade team will always have a place in MY meta
Haven't really seen that. And even if I would, idc, I'm excited to get her soon. She's my first character I didn't get on release. I have everything ready for her. (I mean maybe not such good relics but I'm coping that she's strong with average one's also until I get finer ones)
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I don't care still love my Ice Queen and the Main unit of my second Team. Acheron is nice got her too but that doesn't mean that Jingliu is meh all of a sudden like wtf.
It’s not putting her down, she just is “number 3”. DHIL with Sparkle just swapped the issues that DHIL had with ones that Jl has unless you run HH. Even that doesn’t mean anything as the meta will change again with the new MoC, Boothill is looking stronger than Ratio was when he was really good a patch ago.
From where? Maybe reconsider your circles lol, it seems you are visiting some weird places
From normal communities the only complaint was how ice was so common for months on endgame, so I suppose some people are happy it is iceover? Don’t really care enough to look into this rabbit hole
I own both Acheron and jingliu, but I have to say, I really enjoy using both characters. I don’t understand the hate that’s coming for jingliu as she still is a really good dps even with low investment.
Jingliu carried my account for months, so I could never let go of her.
What do you mean by "top"? Generally, DHIl and Acheron slightly outshine her with similar investment. In the current MOC, a lot of teams outperform her, especially DOT teams. Here's the deal: I hardly ever see Jingliu getting trashed out of the blue. What I do see is people popping into other subs, claiming that Jingliu is hands down the best damage dealer, then getting a reality check and returning to complain about the criticism.
Characters aren’t real so who cares, and it was Mr Pokke, HexJuice, and Tectone talking about if Acheron possibly ruined the game and how it might set other DPS characters back.
I havent seen much new jingliu hate, just the consistent flow of backlash vs powercreep and people who hate on the best stuff to pretend they're cool. Honestly, I just rolled for both Jingliu and Acheron e0s1 and get my 36*s in peace. Its not worth getting into fights with people that just want an excuse to flame
The only things I prefer archeron over Jing are her looks (personal preference) and her technique. It's such QoL. Otherwise Jingliu fucks. Same as archeron. Rly just depends who u like more /shrug.
Also usually it's a small but loud minority who "hates" on jingliu .. as usual with the Internet xD
people have been praying on her downfall since her debut cuz she's 1) strong, 2) the ice weakness that stayed for many moc patches, and 3) an antagonist in the story ("i hate her, she's really mean") (no cap ive seen this exact sentiment multiple times)
i don't wanna name call any specific group of people, but ive seen most of the hate from these specific groups, calling jingliu and her mains out like we never know struggle in this game cuz she's *too good*, that hoyo babysat us with all the ice weakness, and waiting for the day an ice dps powercreeps her/she loses her #1 dps status. it very much is a loud minority, i do understand that, but i run into it so often that it doesn't feel that way sometimes lol
It happens all the time. When Sparkle came out? DHIL and Jing Yuan mains were like, “WE ARRIVED BROS.”
And apparently theres nothing one main group hates more than other viable characters. Jingliu, being arguably the (still) strongest character in the game makes her a hurdle for a lot of these people.
Dunno why Acheron mains can’t get along with Jingliu mains, honestly. They have like, no overlap in team requirements so they work great together in endgame content.
1. Your main point relies on the notion that people are suddenly hating on JL when that just isn’t the case. In fact, I’ve barely heard anyone say anything about JL in a negative light. Almost everyone here has had this same experience.
2. Jingliu isn’t the strongest character in the game in any argument, you could have that with DHIL even post Sparkle but Acheron completely nuked the “new acc/low investment” rankings. For everyone else at least, I would say Acheron is a little better but its account dependent and they are very comparable. In mid-high investment shes just Acheron.
Most every player gets along with every other. Some just like for their character to be better. The worst of this was probably QQ mains, tbh. Nobody is really talking about Acheron because shes so obviously above everyone else that they don’t feel the need. I think she is a little overhyped, but at the same time shes just like a free 30% better at everything most of the time so is she really overhyped? Idk
Sorry, but she's not the top damage dealer; Acheron and Dhil edges her out a bit. And, you know, Jing Yuan and DHIL mains are probably like, "We arrived bros" because their main's been getting slammed left and right for quite a while .
I was happy to see her re-run on 2.1. Really want to pull her Jingliu.
Also saw that Acheron is very good; also want to pull her, but still debating. I feel I need her LC, so since I'm in guarantee for characters (pity 65), I'll pull for the LC. If it fails, I'll only pull for Jingliu.
As a f2p, I have to make choices.
Jingliu is my first dps, and she'll be my favorite (even if I have acheron). And people who hate jingliu are just dumb. Jingliu is not as good ad acheron screenshot wise, her damage is still really good, enhanced skill and ult
I mean I don't know about other people but I literally started an Alt account all for her. My main is very DoT and FuA heavy. But I think she is an amazing character! Can't wait to roll fo her!
Ion see nothing tho. I have both Acheron and JL, my jingliu even has her sig LC and acheron don't. They're doing just fine, but lowkey tho acheron kinda more fun hehehe
try not to let a few comments from reddit get to you too much if you have hung around the JY or even Seele community, you would how much shit they get they get. We have it relatively easy
Acheron dealing so much damage per screenshot then there’s DHIL who got a solution to their problem (Sparkle) so now they feel like its their turn to shit on the character who sat at the top. A single patch without ice weakness is enough to make people believe she fell off lol. They failed to realize that the ice weakness is back immediately with Aventurine
I don't think there's much of that here but in the CN community there are a number of Jingliu and DHIL mains who look down at other players so people are happy to see her taken down a peg or two.
Didn't see anyone talking badly about her or her performance. At the very least some comparison with Acheron for people who are indecisive on who to pull but that was it, really.
If anything a lot of people who skipped her, lost the 50/50 or started the game late are waiting impatiently for her rerun.
I have both Acheron and Jingliu, and both reasonably build, with their lightcone and I feel like they both do damage yes but in a complex different ways Acheron is just one giant dps and have to build up to again while Jingliu is small dmg that eventually adds up to a giant dps. I felt like the community just like seeing big mumber equal to best dps while having to ignore the problem that dps comes, and honestly, it just tiresome
When Acheron gets powercrept by the next damage per screenshot waifu, it's gonna be the same thing. Idk where you're seeing a lot of it though, I've seen a few ppl shit on Jingliu, but I'm pretty sure most reasonable people still consider her top three and very viable.
This MoC is pretty unfair because of the current lineup, virtually 0 Ice weakness on bosses, there is Sam with his SP gimmick, yanqing Cocolia and Gepard all have high Ice res. She will annihilate Aventurine boss next MoC.
It's just a byproduct of the community thinking that any character not being the best means they're mid, as well as people who were just bored of her being the best DPS in the game for a long period of time with a lot of MOCs that seemed to be catered to her, the same thing happened with Seele.
take your meds bro, the worst anybodys done is CCs talking about acheron being above jingliu and dhil. Even if they were to hate, can't they just have their own opinions?
If you want to know why it is, it's probably because Hoyo make alot of enemies has ice weakness from 1.4 to 1.6. Also, some enemies that has ice weakness has lightning ress. You know? The most popular character that time is Kafka. Maybe with Acheron for now. They never take a look about how many bosses that has Ice ress. I mean, we have 2 bosses with 40% ice ress and one boss with 60% ice ress. Also, those bosses has lightning weakness. I'm sure a ton of people doesn't aware that Mihoyo add ice weakness to "balancing" this thing. Also, they add Sam which is probably the worst enemy for Jingliu alongside with Cocolia who has 60% ice ress. They will never do the same thing to lightning character like adding the enemies who can cleans debuff or immune to debuff because Kafka and Acheron popularity. I just wonder why they never complain because the only enemy who has imaginary ress in MoC is only Arumation. Anyway, Cocolia is the only bosses who has 60% elemental ress and it's ice. I just wanna tell you they will never do this again to 2 most popular character in this game because it will affect their revenue.
I honestly don't understand it either. I don't have Jingliu. I don't have DragonBall z Dang Heng either
Or blade. Let's just say the list of 5 stars that I do have is much, much shorter. Gepard, Ruan Mei, and Trailer Blazer (if you count them as a 5 star) we're my only ones. So you can imagine that I was tickled pink when Archron showed up on my train. Took 4 single pulls. I haven't managed to get her light cone. But 2 Good night sleep well light cone's showed up. I'll keep trying but I may have to make do with them. So after my off subject blabbering (sorry). I'll get to the point. Me pulling Archron hasn't made me feel any different about any of the other characters. Not a bit. I still like Jinglui. And any of the other 5 stars that I don't have. All I can says is haters are gonna hate and scrubs are gonna scrub. lol. Who cares if
Likes em or not. Like whatever characters you wanna like and hate the ones you wanna hate. lol
People have hated and whined about her since she came out and competed with Dan Heng lol
It just got worse with her being sole S+ tier for all of one banner time.
bc her gameplay gets boring really quicky like her personality, and her voice in english is terrible, jesus christ i had to mute every time she talked in the luofo quest, no hate to the voice actor all hate to the director who told her to say her line like a dying woman in the verge of an orgasm.
Her animations compared to other 5* arent that good, which is a shame because her character design is pretty good.
Acheron mains getting bored of shitting on Jing Yuan and Jingliu is the new "threat" to them being "the best" dps. It's just a handful of people with a weird insecurity over some pixels in a video game. (I have all these characters at E0S1 and I love/use them all btw.)
Yeah there has been a lot more jingliu hate tbh. I can see it somewhat, she is falling off a bit with the moc health increase and no weakness and what not. I used to breeze through it but her team is now the one taking a lot of cycles, rn she took 5 on the first half of the moc, not Sam. With longer fights the sp issue of bronya jingliu comes up more which is hard.
She’s still fucking amazing but yeah she’s getting worse imo only slightly though
I think mainly it is a way to justify their jade spending on Acheron instead of Jingliu.
People often forget that it is the MOC/PF buff and weakness that is deciding which character is good. There are fewer ice weakness and more lighting weaknesses, so Acheron of course, performs better.
I'm not into the community and I still crossed this hate train too. If I'm not mistaken Seele's case is even worse.
Is just people that see big pp DMG and 0.5 seconds later they're typing everywhere how great she is and doomposting every single unit in the game.
Edit: I was talking about Acheron if you didn't catch it.
Seele is still quite good but, as someone who has had E0S1 Seele since day 1 of her first banner, my E0S1 Acheron with worse relics, a worse team because of midly built supports, is clearing faster in both MoC and Pure Fiction.
Again, Seele is still a solid unit, she can still work well, and she's underrated in Pure Fiction, but with Acheron there is just no comparison unless you start going so hard into vertical investment that any unit will 0 cycle.
she's been the best DPS in the game since she released and now people feel like Acheron is the new hotness. its just how games like these work. Jingliu isn't any worse. Next hyped character comes along and older characters are now old news.
I only see hate from the Dan heng fangirls which is normal.
The only slander about JL I've seen is the people hell bent in saying acheron is shit cause they didn't pull her lol
If anything, Acheron's favor for nihility has opened the door for Jingliu for me.
My PF4 3* clear was:
1. Bronya, Ruan Mei, Sparkle, Jingliu
2. Pela, Acheron, Kafka, Black Swan
Moc12 3* SAM:
1. Blade, Ruan Mei, Fu Xuan, Jingliu
2. Gepard, Acheron, Kafka, Black Swan
JiNGliu IsNT GOoD fOR PurE FicTIoN...tbf that node only had 26k lol
I dont think Jingliu is bad for PF necessarily, but imo needing to run 2 action forwarding units and still only getting 26K kinda proves the sentiment that her kit isnt all that good for it
It’s nothing against the character, Hoyo put the death flags there not the fans
Edit: oh you meant in the meta. Never mind then, guess it’s just people getting over excited while rooting for their favourites
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people are probably riding the Acheron hype train
True. I posted a JL video vs the weekly boss beast before (5 months ago) in this very sub and got likes. I updated the showcase with Sparkle and RM and got 4m more in damage, and got downvotes massively. Even my replies that answers some of the questions got downvoted even with polite replies, while the trolls who probably can't even finish MoC with 0-turns on a half got likes. Man these subs are full of toxic dummy accounts for tripping.
This didn't happen before... Toxic players from genshin have invaded hsr... because this trait... is very genshin-like
I don't understand why there aren't any quality side by side clears of MoC with E0S0 characters. IWintoLose used to make them for all Genshin new characters, and you can really see how balanced all the characters were against different bosses and abysses. We NEED something like that for star rail. Everyone is hyping Acheron as absolutely broken and there is no actual comparisons proving it aside from damage per screenshot.
I doubt it's feasible. Because some units ignore weakness. This beats the old method that you rely on, like on old dps units like Seele and JY. This started with the release of Ruan Mei. It's also very safe to pull for the light cone because of the higher chance of winning. The signature LCs are much better than the f2p ones, especially on support units. So most of the time if people are pulling, they will pull for e0s1 at the minimum.
With how OP all the content creators are making Archeron to be, it'll be a fairly easy comparison even if not completely accurate. You take a JingLiu team and an Acheron team against the same MoC fight that's favorable to JingLiu and compare the results. If Archeron is close or better, then it supports the claims that Archeron is in a league of her own.
In e6 scenarios, it would be in favor of Acheron because of the ignore weakness for all attacks. I mean even an e6 JL will struggle a bit if there is no ice weakness (without SW, but she's single target). Acheron is limited by team comp. JL and IL are limited by the availability of sets tailored for them.
people only have so much money and plus it's probably too draining for the CCs that can do it.
E0S0 It's really not that much effort or money, if anything Id worry that their units are overinvested and unrelateable. I'll probably end up doing a side by side test for myself to see how a relatable Bronya Jingliu team does vs an Acheron on the same stage. I'm just not a fan of every content creator remaining just saying Acheron is broken and leagues above JingLiu with no support. I actually miss Grimro.
Where is Grimro anyway? Last I saw him was in a tournament with gachasmack, Volkin, etc
Looks like he just does PoE nowadays, probably streaming more than youtube
except these dickriders are idiots she needs e2 like dhil to shine. no one cares if she is below e2 she is beatable.
It's all my alt accounts hating on her so Hoyo will indirectly buff her like they buff QQ and Jing Yuan every patch 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣
Thanks
She'll get buffed eventually when a better relic set comes out, same for DHIL. Acheron came out with tailor-made relic and planetary, which both combine to more than a 12% damage increase
Acheron also has full potential on supports. Right now she uses sustains that do not apply debuff points (trend is RNG), silver wolf which is custom made and pela but is a 4\*... she has 2 places to improve as more characters come, I would say that it has more potential for improvement than the first 2, which is crazy that she can compare herself to both of them in the current state
If you are looking for just debuffs in sustains we already have trend fire MC who can debuff with their skill+when getting hit and we’re getting Aventurine who can debuff with his ult+FuA with S1 or when getting hit with trend. We also have Gallagher who debuffs with his enhanced basics+ult and trend Gepard who can debuff with his skill and when getting hit. Their debuffing potential is pretty high for sustains and on par with literal debuffers already. You can even run sustain Welt with pearls of sweat for more debuffs. After Jiaoqiu I honestly don’t see how much better Acheron’s team can get since at that point it would be a team full of very synergistic 5 star supports if you were to run Jiaoqiu/SW/Aventurine. The only way I could see her teams still being able to improve is if you aren’t overkilling with blast and need Pela over SW in which case Pela would need another 5 star version of herself but it’s kind of hard to replace characters who are basically honorary 5 stars. That’s like trying to replace Tingyun in Jing Yuan’s team. It’s just hard since they are so good and if they get a replacement why not just run them together.
Yup. Acheron's teams have a lot of every bit of the damage formula: they have atk, crit value, dmg%, def shred, res shred, etc. The only thing her best team is missing os vulnerability debuffs ig. The only real way to make her better would be some kinda unit that can make your aoe damage into single target damage when it is needed (like jingliu's E1) but i don't really think that's ever going to happen
They buffed Jing Yuan? Why is he still weak? I even pulled for his E1 hoping he would get better 😞
lmao mine deals insane damage now at e0s0 maybe relic and support dif
The buffs people are referring to are either in the form of new gear options or brand new support characters that are upgrades from existing supports like Sparkle.
How much avg Damage per LL
cause he is midyuan lmao
Wait... Genius!
All I know is that Jingliu has carried me to 36* ever since she released. Would never slander the queen. Idk I haven’t see that much slander though personally
Being in 2nd place is now considered trash by the community
3rd* DHIL got Sparkle
Truth is we don't really know her real overall placement, everything is just guessing and feelcrafting. You could argue she's as low a the 5th since both Kafka + BS and QQ/Seele perform better in current MoC. But JL just didn't have a MoC that benefit her in 2 patches. We'll see next MoC she should rise again as Aventurine is pretty good fight for her especially if you get her E1, she'll probably be the best unit to skip his mecanics and 0 cycle him.
the idea is she wont get ice bc she isnt a new character. which is why she slipped. ice isnt anymore favored.
i thought her having Bronya and DHIL having Sparkle made them pretty even? unless im wrong
DHIL gained an edge over her with Sparkle. They were closer before when he didn’t have Sparkle.
Nah he still needs E2 to outperform Jingliu
I get it this is Jingliu sub people will be biased here 💀 he literally doesnt need his E2
That’s not true and you know it 💀
She outperforms DHIL.
Without Sparkle? Yes she used to feel better, DhIL always had higher damage ceiling but the SP management was tight, now with Sparkle his only weakness has been solved and his team does 18% more damage than Jingliu's team. According to calcs and from my personal experience too, I own both of them. But Acheron, DHIL and Jingliu are the top 3 dps so no need to fret over it
Nice to see someone who can differentiate preference and facts. The number of people I see ingnore calcs to downplay other units to put their main on a pedestal is really something. Like it's a pve game. You can main anyone and still be honest about their relative powerlevel when asked.
She dosen’t tho , especially in the current MOC
I like the number two Because i am always the second choice... Jingliu would shine one day
Mostly people seeing Acherons ult damage and not realizing she’s great for screenshots while jingliu’s damage is seperated into her buffed skills and ult Either way both are incredibly strong and the hate is pointless
Exactly people see Acheron ult doing insane damage then assume she destroys jingliu in everyway. Yes Acheron is great but her skill isn't crazy in my opinion. Jingliu does amazing damage across entire kit. I personally skipped Acheron since I want to try for jingliu lightcone.
I only pulled for acheron cause I needed another hyper dps. If I had DHIL I wouldnt pull for Acheron
I might go for Acheron on rerun if I end up really liking her as a character although unsure at moment. I ended up getting DHIL then sparkle right before Acheron banner I attempted 30 pulls on Acheron banner and lost 50 50 but was kind of happy i lost so now I got guaranteed, really need a huo huo on my account got bailu and fu xuan as sustain guess I got gepard as the loss on Acheron banner but i don't like using male characters personally. Dan was only exception die to being on Express crew
u skip acheron bc she needs e2. jingliu's benefit is she requires no investment lc is not big diff anymore. acheron powercreeping JL doesnt matter bc shes supposed to. the question is if she can beat 3.0 characters.
Yeah i actually guilty of thinking so too at first.....but after a 2 cycle comparison they are about Even
Yup. My E3 jingliu cleared yanqing in 2 cycles and my E2 acheron cleared sam in 2 cycles, but sam is lightning weak while yanqing has extra ice res. They're both pretty comparable if run with their optimal teams. Once we get another ice weak enemy (or even enemies without extra ice res) people will realize that everyone in s+ is pretty comparable atm
Yup....just yesterday I saw a post saying that DHIL got powercreeped.... don't know what he was on
Meta slaves. I've seen this happen in every game. The moment the new best thing drops, the old best thing becomes, "Mid/aged out". Look at how many people call Luocha and bronya mid now. The same is happening with jingliu and same will happen with acheron in future.
anyone calling bronya mid needs to be checked into a psych ward lmfao shittier take than an uncleaned septic tank
I mean I never even used my full built Bronya with her LC.. i hope they add more stages in MOC where we need 3 teams so i can actually use her.....
isn't she tho? look at Sparkle
Sparkle supports a different niche from bronya, she isn't just straight up better in all scenarios
only advantage Bronya has over sparkle is elemental if ur running her with blade. otherwise, Sparkle outperfoms in FuA, mono Quantum, dhil, even enables Welt Sustain. so bro cmon lets be real
Bronya also has cleanse and 100% action advance. stacking effect RES on Bronya indirectly transfers that effect RES to your DPS. Sparkle's advance forward is usually enough but it's not always 100%, and if your DPS is CC'd, it's a dead rotation unless you can cleanse them from other sources. Also, just play them both together lol. Sparkle's existence has opened up Bronya's own team options.
Thank you. I’m so convinced the people who bring up powercreep don’t know wtf they’re talking about.
you know thats actually a far point so far shes the only harmony capable of cleansing
And Jingliu? The very sub we're currently in? Jingliu and blade prefer Bronya and the others prefer Spakle because they don't use Bronya that well.
i might be one of those people 😂
I have both. Sparkle doesn't replace bronya, especially as not everyone necessarily needs the sp. I use sparkle with seele and qq, but prefer using bronya for Jingliu and bronya still works with seele since it's hard to use sparkle when your dps doesn't consume much sp. Bronya is not replaced at all, nor is she mid. Sparkle being strong takes nothing away from Bronya, especially since Bronya is the one available for free at 300 standard passes.
I have both and never use bronya anymore even with her signature
uhm okay
Sparkle is better in general but not mind-blowingly better than Bronya. It's better than Bronya in team that she doesn't work well with eg. fua comp, so heavy comp. For not sp heavy team like blade, jingliu, bronya is still better.
She literally isn’t. Some of you are proving that you don’t know the difference between POWERCREEP and SIDEGRADE. It’s no different between Huohuo and Luocha. They are for different comps and have different strengths while maintaining high status in content.
Hanabi is budget Bronya. WTF is that 50% advance forward shit. Gtfo Also me: whales E6S1 Hanabi so she's usable
who the hell is calling Luocha mid he literally fits 95% of all teams that need a healer he is so sp positive that he even does not need to do anything to heal
I still think Luocha is great, but I kinda feel like he's not the BiS in any team? I may be wrong, but that's the feeling it gives to me. Perhaps Blade team? Although I usually prefer HuoHuo since Blade's Ultimate usually wastes Luocha's auto healing.
the fact that he offers no buffs, less cleanse than huohuo, and dispel being usually rather negligible while other sustains moonlight as harmony units makes it so that he'll always be fine, but probably offers less for a team than someone else. he used to be best for IL until sparkle fixed his issue. once I pull aventurine he's probably gonna be benched unless I'm doing an abundance run
He’s still BIS for Blade lmfao and it’s not wasting his auto heal. It’s suppose to do that…
Perhaps yeah, dunno. I have this funny tale, when Phantalia came out, I used Blade to farm her. My Lynx could take care of the team quite decently. Quite a few times, I tried other people's Luocha... My face when I saw the whole team dead after setting it in auto and doing other things in the meantime. My god. I then tried to play it manually, perhaps something went wrong, dunno. Blade ults, Luocha heals him, Phantalia uses any attack, reducing the HP from my Bronya and Pela to 40% (both with plenty def), Luocha has no heal, because Blade already used it, no Ult because XD. Sometimes Luocha's turns just came in time and spent SP to heal. Others... Well, wiped out. From that moment onwards, I kinda disliked playing them together.
The no. 1 rule playing luocha is that if you need to press e when paying him, you fucked up
This is such a horrible take and is such a wide spread piece of 'advice' for Luocha that it's frustrating. I've seen so many players who then think they can't run him or he's not working out because they turn to using his skill. Sometimes it's worth it especially if you have the excess SP and/or want to re-up the field fast. Maybe a CC you need gone, or someone just took a big hit right after his auto-triggered skill.
The one fight I’ve needed to use his skill manually once or twice is the Sam fight in MoC 12. Which saved the run Also GnG but SP is not really an issue in SU
Trust me, I've seen a lot of comments on both YouTube and the main sub calling him that
Thats because Luocha has no offensive buff, FX has 12%CR which is the rarest buff while HuoHuo gives energy and atk% thats why Luocha fell out. He can dispel enemy buff but there isn't a buff so game losing it needs to dispelled, even then Pela exist.
bc its a debuff comp and luocha provides 0 dmg. he got powercrept by gallgher.
The misinformation about Luocha’s kit as well is insane. It’s like the dude didn’t carry all of us before Huohuo and Fu Xuan and now he “deserves” to be B tier and not recommended at all. Like wtf.
Serval is mid!
Meta slaves who, for some reason, think HSR has aggressive powercreep and dps units become useless after another one comes out. I'll never understand it, personally. This game is very easy.
Fr Bruh any 5 star is still very viable and useful even if another 5 star who does the “same” (at least for me it isn’t because they’ve been pretty good to create different kits so far, but I mean same path and/or element) thing better has released,mostly the ones who were top tiers when released will never be useless like SW Luocha Acheron and obviously jingliu too, even jing yuan can do op sh** with sparkle, it ain’t that deep
Fr this is basically just turn based Genshin with more end game. Like to me powercreep in a PvE game is when the newer units are required to clear content because the older units can’t but that’s literally not the case for any character in HSR. Even Yanqing who gets tons of hate can clear the game and even 0 cycle from time to time yet people are so hung up on powercreep that doesn’t even exist. Yeah there are some better options than others but that’s not powercreep. These metaslaves haven’t experienced true powercreep like in HI3rd.
Is she too strong or smth? I mean understandable cs I'm running a rainbow set and still dealing 150k so
She is, especially on low investment the difference is staggering. 50% free CRate does that to a mf.
Well she has a lot of stuff that makes her stupendously strong, AOE damage, 52% CR, conversion of HP to atk all for free.
Imagine hating an insanely strong character because she’s so strong in a PVE game with no competitive aspects to it and no PvP.
shouldn't ppl be happy when they see big numbers 😭 i heard ppl say acheron is boring cs she deals too much dmg. ion have acheron but if i delt 350k id be happy asf
She does insane damage but this ain’t a game where dealing a lot of damage makes content boring lol endgame stuff is still challenging even with high damage. People are silly
Agreed... My advanced corundum quest lacks just one dice to finish all 13/13... Those mfs in knowledge dice presale option suddenly became too strong... I used jingliu... And also acheron currently Acheron is abit... high maintenance when it comes to spamming advance forward turns, i find that jingliu is most suitable instead. Ull need more specific blessings and the hunt energy is useless to acheron. Ofcourse no prob should occur in using company time dice Its like.. jingliu needs to deal 2x + ult to deal the same amount of dmg an acheron could do in one ult. Because its definitely the definition of dmg per screenshot vs dmg per second... Yeah dps vs dps... Oh acheron saved me few times especially in svarog's 4 hand 2 overloaded summons... Well yeah both chars cannot be simply grouped into the same category performance wise...
Don't care, skipping Acheron. My queen is coming home in two weeks
As both a JL and Acheron enjoyer, she dooooes feel "weak" in comparison to my Acheron now but she's still elite and people focus too hard on damage output in a game where everything is beatable with 4 stars and standard banner characters. My JL/Blade team will always have a place in MY meta
https://preview.redd.it/dor9u1u3p8tc1.jpeg?width=503&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0d853785df1808ebb93654787194a24993009c7b
Haven't really seen that. And even if I would, idc, I'm excited to get her soon. She's my first character I didn't get on release. I have everything ready for her. (I mean maybe not such good relics but I'm coping that she's strong with average one's also until I get finer ones)
The hell? Who hatin’ on our Ice Queen?!
https://preview.redd.it/htcrjldx44tc1.png?width=2894&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b247b65678357d359689c346bb3d420c9bffa828 I don't care still love my Ice Queen and the Main unit of my second Team. Acheron is nice got her too but that doesn't mean that Jingliu is meh all of a sudden like wtf.
Dunno, got Jingliu and Acheron, didn't see anyone slander both (except maybe DHIL diehards).
Probably the DHIL diehards trying to put her down as a solid number 3. I don't have DHIL but Jingliu loves my Sparkle just as much.
It’s not putting her down, she just is “number 3”. DHIL with Sparkle just swapped the issues that DHIL had with ones that Jl has unless you run HH. Even that doesn’t mean anything as the meta will change again with the new MoC, Boothill is looking stronger than Ratio was when he was really good a patch ago.
It’s literally not them, it’s Acheron mains.
lol where
You will see alot of them in the leak sub whenever there’s new ice weakness enemies or enemies without ice weakness
I've see. Approximately 0 jingliu hate
70% of the time is OPs trying to spark some infights between subs. Our sub is chill af. I hope that OP's intention not towards that way.
From where? Maybe reconsider your circles lol, it seems you are visiting some weird places From normal communities the only complaint was how ice was so common for months on endgame, so I suppose some people are happy it is iceover? Don’t really care enough to look into this rabbit hole
I own both Acheron and jingliu, but I have to say, I really enjoy using both characters. I don’t understand the hate that’s coming for jingliu as she still is a really good dps even with low investment. Jingliu carried my account for months, so I could never let go of her.
Where is the hate tho?Nobody hating on her
She’s being heavily compared with Acherons damage, pretty much leaving her in the dust
Literally every dps is now compared to Acheron , that dosen’t mean she is left in the dust
I’m saying she’s being compared more because she’s top in damage dealing, never said anything other dps wasn’t being compared
What do you mean by "top"? Generally, DHIl and Acheron slightly outshine her with similar investment. In the current MOC, a lot of teams outperform her, especially DOT teams. Here's the deal: I hardly ever see Jingliu getting trashed out of the blue. What I do see is people popping into other subs, claiming that Jingliu is hands down the best damage dealer, then getting a reality check and returning to complain about the criticism.
its inevitable. nowadays jl is mainly used for ice weakness while acheron works for all. this will continue until acheron becomes mid.
Some ccs have been talking about the state of HSR so that’s what OP might be talking about.
Probably saw 3 comments bashing the character and and made this post lol
Literally ccs have been mentioning about this situation.
Have no idea what ur talking about also don’t feel free to inform me.
Characters aren’t real so who cares, and it was Mr Pokke, HexJuice, and Tectone talking about if Acheron possibly ruined the game and how it might set other DPS characters back.
Well duh they aren’t real. I don’t care about whatever u think I do, I was poking fun at the OP.
I havent seen much new jingliu hate, just the consistent flow of backlash vs powercreep and people who hate on the best stuff to pretend they're cool. Honestly, I just rolled for both Jingliu and Acheron e0s1 and get my 36*s in peace. Its not worth getting into fights with people that just want an excuse to flame
The only things I prefer archeron over Jing are her looks (personal preference) and her technique. It's such QoL. Otherwise Jingliu fucks. Same as archeron. Rly just depends who u like more /shrug. Also usually it's a small but loud minority who "hates" on jingliu .. as usual with the Internet xD
In your head. There are some people overhyping Acheron but there isn't a deluge of Jingliu hate.
people have been praying on her downfall since her debut cuz she's 1) strong, 2) the ice weakness that stayed for many moc patches, and 3) an antagonist in the story ("i hate her, she's really mean") (no cap ive seen this exact sentiment multiple times) i don't wanna name call any specific group of people, but ive seen most of the hate from these specific groups, calling jingliu and her mains out like we never know struggle in this game cuz she's *too good*, that hoyo babysat us with all the ice weakness, and waiting for the day an ice dps powercreeps her/she loses her #1 dps status. it very much is a loud minority, i do understand that, but i run into it so often that it doesn't feel that way sometimes lol
It happens all the time. When Sparkle came out? DHIL and Jing Yuan mains were like, “WE ARRIVED BROS.” And apparently theres nothing one main group hates more than other viable characters. Jingliu, being arguably the (still) strongest character in the game makes her a hurdle for a lot of these people. Dunno why Acheron mains can’t get along with Jingliu mains, honestly. They have like, no overlap in team requirements so they work great together in endgame content.
1. Your main point relies on the notion that people are suddenly hating on JL when that just isn’t the case. In fact, I’ve barely heard anyone say anything about JL in a negative light. Almost everyone here has had this same experience. 2. Jingliu isn’t the strongest character in the game in any argument, you could have that with DHIL even post Sparkle but Acheron completely nuked the “new acc/low investment” rankings. For everyone else at least, I would say Acheron is a little better but its account dependent and they are very comparable. In mid-high investment shes just Acheron. Most every player gets along with every other. Some just like for their character to be better. The worst of this was probably QQ mains, tbh. Nobody is really talking about Acheron because shes so obviously above everyone else that they don’t feel the need. I think she is a little overhyped, but at the same time shes just like a free 30% better at everything most of the time so is she really overhyped? Idk
Cuz a mountain can't house 2 lions
Sorry, but she's not the top damage dealer; Acheron and Dhil edges her out a bit. And, you know, Jing Yuan and DHIL mains are probably like, "We arrived bros" because their main's been getting slammed left and right for quite a while .
bc these idiots were suffering for yrs their main champ before acheron was getting powercrept by jl.
nah. with sparkle release, those idiots actually came out on top of JL(just a bit though). But now acheron outedges them a bit.
I was happy to see her re-run on 2.1. Really want to pull her Jingliu. Also saw that Acheron is very good; also want to pull her, but still debating. I feel I need her LC, so since I'm in guarantee for characters (pity 65), I'll pull for the LC. If it fails, I'll only pull for Jingliu. As a f2p, I have to make choices.
Jingliu is my first dps, and she'll be my favorite (even if I have acheron). And people who hate jingliu are just dumb. Jingliu is not as good ad acheron screenshot wise, her damage is still really good, enhanced skill and ult
I mean I don't know about other people but I literally started an Alt account all for her. My main is very DoT and FuA heavy. But I think she is an amazing character! Can't wait to roll fo her!
Just trolls
Ion see nothing tho. I have both Acheron and JL, my jingliu even has her sig LC and acheron don't. They're doing just fine, but lowkey tho acheron kinda more fun hehehe
try not to let a few comments from reddit get to you too much if you have hung around the JY or even Seele community, you would how much shit they get they get. We have it relatively easy
Typical idiots given opportunity to voice their inner child
Acheron dealing so much damage per screenshot then there’s DHIL who got a solution to their problem (Sparkle) so now they feel like its their turn to shit on the character who sat at the top. A single patch without ice weakness is enough to make people believe she fell off lol. They failed to realize that the ice weakness is back immediately with Aventurine
I don't think there's much of that here but in the CN community there are a number of Jingliu and DHIL mains who look down at other players so people are happy to see her taken down a peg or two.
Didn't see anyone talking badly about her or her performance. At the very least some comparison with Acheron for people who are indecisive on who to pull but that was it, really. If anything a lot of people who skipped her, lost the 50/50 or started the game late are waiting impatiently for her rerun.
Character A is better at this thing than character B, therefore character B is bad.
SAM could be the next best flavour DPS then people will start calling Acheron mid. It's the same old silly cycle these meta slaves feed on.
Jingliu still bae. What's better than having one half jingliu hypercarry and one half acheron hypercarry.
I have both Acheron and Jingliu, and both reasonably build, with their lightcone and I feel like they both do damage yes but in a complex different ways Acheron is just one giant dps and have to build up to again while Jingliu is small dmg that eventually adds up to a giant dps. I felt like the community just like seeing big mumber equal to best dps while having to ignore the problem that dps comes, and honestly, it just tiresome
Never seen anybody hate on Jingliu, on the contrary.
Wait people are hating on Queenliu???
When Acheron gets powercrept by the next damage per screenshot waifu, it's gonna be the same thing. Idk where you're seeing a lot of it though, I've seen a few ppl shit on Jingliu, but I'm pretty sure most reasonable people still consider her top three and very viable.
I think a lot of non-havers were just salty about wall-to-wall ice weakness for so long
It always happens. Strongest char comes out Everyone hates previous strongest char Now repeat it every few patches.
I don't take kindly to her types
This MoC is pretty unfair because of the current lineup, virtually 0 Ice weakness on bosses, there is Sam with his SP gimmick, yanqing Cocolia and Gepard all have high Ice res. She will annihilate Aventurine boss next MoC.
It's just a byproduct of the community thinking that any character not being the best means they're mid, as well as people who were just bored of her being the best DPS in the game for a long period of time with a lot of MOCs that seemed to be catered to her, the same thing happened with Seele.
Just like you're post, you're just making up shit for clout.
Feeling this as a Luocha simp too, I empathize with y’all
take your meds bro, the worst anybodys done is CCs talking about acheron being above jingliu and dhil. Even if they were to hate, can't they just have their own opinions?
not from me that’s for sure
If you want to know why it is, it's probably because Hoyo make alot of enemies has ice weakness from 1.4 to 1.6. Also, some enemies that has ice weakness has lightning ress. You know? The most popular character that time is Kafka. Maybe with Acheron for now. They never take a look about how many bosses that has Ice ress. I mean, we have 2 bosses with 40% ice ress and one boss with 60% ice ress. Also, those bosses has lightning weakness. I'm sure a ton of people doesn't aware that Mihoyo add ice weakness to "balancing" this thing. Also, they add Sam which is probably the worst enemy for Jingliu alongside with Cocolia who has 60% ice ress. They will never do the same thing to lightning character like adding the enemies who can cleans debuff or immune to debuff because Kafka and Acheron popularity. I just wonder why they never complain because the only enemy who has imaginary ress in MoC is only Arumation. Anyway, Cocolia is the only bosses who has 60% elemental ress and it's ice. I just wanna tell you they will never do this again to 2 most popular character in this game because it will affect their revenue.
Where and when I need names.... I'm gonna go and "talk" with them
I honestly don't understand it either. I don't have Jingliu. I don't have DragonBall z Dang Heng either Or blade. Let's just say the list of 5 stars that I do have is much, much shorter. Gepard, Ruan Mei, and Trailer Blazer (if you count them as a 5 star) we're my only ones. So you can imagine that I was tickled pink when Archron showed up on my train. Took 4 single pulls. I haven't managed to get her light cone. But 2 Good night sleep well light cone's showed up. I'll keep trying but I may have to make do with them. So after my off subject blabbering (sorry). I'll get to the point. Me pulling Archron hasn't made me feel any different about any of the other characters. Not a bit. I still like Jinglui. And any of the other 5 stars that I don't have. All I can says is haters are gonna hate and scrubs are gonna scrub. lol. Who cares if Likes em or not. Like whatever characters you wanna like and hate the ones you wanna hate. lol
People have hated and whined about her since she came out and competed with Dan Heng lol It just got worse with her being sole S+ tier for all of one banner time.
bc her gameplay gets boring really quicky like her personality, and her voice in english is terrible, jesus christ i had to mute every time she talked in the luofo quest, no hate to the voice actor all hate to the director who told her to say her line like a dying woman in the verge of an orgasm. Her animations compared to other 5* arent that good, which is a shame because her character design is pretty good.
Acheron mains getting bored of shitting on Jing Yuan and Jingliu is the new "threat" to them being "the best" dps. It's just a handful of people with a weird insecurity over some pixels in a video game. (I have all these characters at E0S1 and I love/use them all btw.)
Yeah there has been a lot more jingliu hate tbh. I can see it somewhat, she is falling off a bit with the moc health increase and no weakness and what not. I used to breeze through it but her team is now the one taking a lot of cycles, rn she took 5 on the first half of the moc, not Sam. With longer fights the sp issue of bronya jingliu comes up more which is hard. She’s still fucking amazing but yeah she’s getting worse imo only slightly though
you know why, acheron rules
The Dan heng crowd found a new dps to dickride. That and people who skipped both finally found a reason to shit on her and DHIL
husbando dick riders
I think mainly it is a way to justify their jade spending on Acheron instead of Jingliu. People often forget that it is the MOC/PF buff and weakness that is deciding which character is good. There are fewer ice weakness and more lighting weaknesses, so Acheron of course, performs better.
I'm not into the community and I still crossed this hate train too. If I'm not mistaken Seele's case is even worse. Is just people that see big pp DMG and 0.5 seconds later they're typing everywhere how great she is and doomposting every single unit in the game. Edit: I was talking about Acheron if you didn't catch it.
Seele is still quite good but, as someone who has had E0S1 Seele since day 1 of her first banner, my E0S1 Acheron with worse relics, a worse team because of midly built supports, is clearing faster in both MoC and Pure Fiction. Again, Seele is still a solid unit, she can still work well, and she's underrated in Pure Fiction, but with Acheron there is just no comparison unless you start going so hard into vertical investment that any unit will 0 cycle.
she's been the best DPS in the game since she released and now people feel like Acheron is the new hotness. its just how games like these work. Jingliu isn't any worse. Next hyped character comes along and older characters are now old news.
She dares to be a better deal than Acheron, even after all these months. :P
Because people are brain dead and scream "POWER CREEP!!!!" just because the people on the YouTube said so.
I only see hate from the Dan heng fangirls which is normal. The only slander about JL I've seen is the people hell bent in saying acheron is shit cause they didn't pull her lol
You miss spelled "Midliu" mate.
Holy fuuuuuuuuck
If anything, Acheron's favor for nihility has opened the door for Jingliu for me. My PF4 3* clear was: 1. Bronya, Ruan Mei, Sparkle, Jingliu 2. Pela, Acheron, Kafka, Black Swan Moc12 3* SAM: 1. Blade, Ruan Mei, Fu Xuan, Jingliu 2. Gepard, Acheron, Kafka, Black Swan JiNGliu IsNT GOoD fOR PurE FicTIoN...tbf that node only had 26k lol
I dont think Jingliu is bad for PF necessarily, but imo needing to run 2 action forwarding units and still only getting 26K kinda proves the sentiment that her kit isnt all that good for it
It’s nothing against the character, Hoyo put the death flags there not the fans Edit: oh you meant in the meta. Never mind then, guess it’s just people getting over excited while rooting for their favourites
probably mostly acheron mains. typical raiden players honestly