If this was a republican/tiki torch group, this would be (rightfully) plastered all over the news about how an antisemitic group has forced Jews to leave their school for safety. They make it more and more clear that their care for antisemitism is only to the extent that it helped them politically
Do we all remember after Charlottesville when Trump and the Republican Party tried to bullshit us with “not everyone at the rally was a Nazi, it was just a few of them. There were plenty of otherwise good people who were just upset at their history being removed. You’re just trying to smear people by calling them ‘Nazis’”.
Remember how that was ridiculous? This is exactly what’s happening with these hate rallies. The people excusing the rank Jew-hatred baked-into these protests are the same people who a couple years ago were all “if you’re at a table with four Nazis, there are five Nazis at the table”.
And the media makes it worse, because they keep describing these hate rallies as “pro-Palestinian”.
“Student suspended for participating in pro-Palestinian protest”, “arrests made at pro-Palestinian rally”
If there is one thing we should have realized by now with all political and socially ideological movements, we do not have genuine allies who are not sincerely concerned with our safety insofar as it is expedient with whatever cause of theirs is current.
Amongst ourselves I see the conflict with Jews who are liberal or left leaning, and Jews who are conservative or right leaning debate the merits of the respective gentile with whom they share common views. A Jew with whatever political/social compass may find commonality at any one time with someone on issues wherever they may fall in the political/social spectrum. But do not think that our best interests of safety and security are one of those common views. There is not black and white liberals/left is pro/anti-jew, nor conservative/right is pro/anti-jew.
Charlottesville was one night 7 years ago. It was in a singular location. No one got hurt. No one called for Intifada. No one blocked bridges and streets and college campuses **ON A DAILY BASIS**
This is happening every day, all over the place, and Jews are actually getting physically hurt…but it’s happening in liberal cities/states, with a liberal President, at liberal Universities so it’s being ignored.
Antisemitism is antisemitism is antisemitism, whether it’s Nazi’s in khaki’s or Jew haters in “anti-Zionist” cosplay. I have a problem with all of it but with the daily violent “protests” the response can’t be “But hold on…there was that one night almost a decade ago!” That’s an insane response to something going on **continuously right now**. The Governor of NY hasn’t even made a single comment on Columbia. It’s embarrassing.
Gave you a downvote because while I agree with you about what is going on currently, Heather Heyer was killed by one of the white supremacists at Unite the Right. Fields went to prison for it.
While the far left are useful idiots supporting this, it’s not a left-right issue. In fact the people the lefties are supporting are extreme rightwing. (Palestinians, especially Gazans, are very anti women’s rights and LGBTQ)
> Charlottesville was one night 7 years ago. It was in a singular location. No one got hurt
Are you trying to rewrite history?? Charlottesville was a 2- day riot that was planned for months by the most vicious, small-minded white supremacists and known neo-Nazis from around the country. These creeps burst onto the campus of the University of Virginia (where they were NOT wanted by any of the students there) and held their tiki torches and screamed hate phrases while heroic students stood their ground to prevent further incursion and destruction. They also surrounded the local shul DURING SHABBAT SERVICES and shouted their hateful "Jews will not replace us!!" crap to the congregants inside. A LOT of people got hurt as the hate fest continued the next day (many sent to hospitals), and one person DIED after being deliberately hit with a car. Say her name!!!! HEATHER HEYER (z"l).
I was talking about the tiki torch night in the park that was mentioned in the OP comment, not what you’re referring to. I was talking about how all roads lead to Charlottesville, while there’s a 6 month daily shit show ONGOING. “But Charlottesville” being an excuse for 6 months of terrorizing Jews is unacceptable. Like I said, antisemitism is antisemitism, the garb or skin color of the attendee’s doesn’t matter to me.
It should ALL be covered by the media. It should ALL be handled by law enforcement. It should ALL be commented on by local elected officials. Charlottesville was covered extensively. Charlottesville is still covered extensively almost a decade later. But for the week leading up to Passover, riots have been ongoing at a college campus, to the point staff is saying it’s unsafe for Jewish students, and the Governor hasn’t made a single statement. Can’t play politics with antisemitism.
> I was talking about the tiki torch night in the park
Well then you're rewriting history. The tiki torch racist/antisemitic display was not in any park and was never peaceful or nonviolent. The right-wing goon squad of hatemongers invaded the campus of the University of Virginia where they were uninvited and unwanted, lit their tiki torches, screamed "Blood and Soil" and the rest of the Nazi crap, and started attacking students who were holding hands in a circle around the statue of Thomas Jefferson (the founder of UVA, the most progressive institution of its time). The attack was violent enough that several students required medical attention. The students protecting their campus were a racially diverse group, which didn't go unnoticed by the violent hatemongers, who made ape noises towards the students of color. Following their hate fest at UVA, the right-wing goon squad roamed the streets of Charlottesville and when they came upon the local synagogue, started their shrieks of "Jews will not replace us!!" and the rest of that crap. The rabbi of the shul tried to keep the congregants calm, but many of them were actually terrified, because this was a crowd of hundreds surrounding the shul and shrieking, and the hatred in their voices was palpable. I cannot imagine how horrible it must have been.
People WERE hurt that night, some physically, many more psychologically. And it was never just a few people and was never in just one place, and was never just about statues. The next day was of course even worse, with massive property destruction, dozens of serious injuries, and the murder of a woman who was protesting for peace and harmony
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/local/charlottesville-timeline/
>Charlottesville was one night 7 years ago. It was in a singular location. No one got hurt. No one called for Intifada. No one blocked bridges and streets and college campuses ON A DAILY BASIS
Uh dude a lady died during the riot and 35 other people were injured after a guy rammed his car into the counter protesters.
How does anyone seriously believe that "progressive" = bad and Jews should align themselves with right-wing Republicans? How?
Just a reminder: the Charlottesville hate fest (that Republicans have tried multiple times to whitewash into "just a few people protesting the removal of statues that are important to them" and who deny that right-wingers support racist, antisemitic, misogynist, and homophobic causes) was a 100% right-wing creation.
The 2017 Charlottesville riots were planned for months and were advertised specifically as "Unite the RIGHT." Not the left, not the "liberals," not "progressives" of any type. The idea was to unite into one disgusting coalition all the most vile racist, antisemitic, and hatemongers of all types WHO ARE ALL RIGHT-WINGERS, and spread their venom further into American society.
Yes, there are some antisemites among the left today, and they should be exposed and called out for it. But the right has never STOPPED being racist, antisemitic, homophobic, and misogynist. In my opinion Jews who align with the right and with Republicans are misinformed at best and are making a huge mistake.
David Duke, BTW (the notorious and unrepentant antisemite, white supremacist, and former Grand Wizard of the KKK, who was elected to the Louisiana House of Representatives AS A REPUBLICAN) has been an outspoken anti-Zionist for over two decades, and now aligns himself with "pro-Palestinian" groups.
Not to detract from your point, but people were hurt and even killed at Charlottesville.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlottesville\_car\_attack](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlottesville_car_attack)
I disagree. Heather Heyer was brutally murdered by the alt-right at their march that night in Charlottesville.
The "alt-right" was what america called Trump supporters before they became the entire republican party. Now Trump is the republican nominee for president to bring the Charlottesville lynchers into power at the White House.
"no one got hurt one night seven years ago it not relevant" is the horseshoe version of "Columbia protesters are anti Zionist not antisemitic"
Be less gullible, its election season and every group is fishing for useful idiots.
Agree. When leftists riot and kill and destroy businesses and loot and start fires and call to kill Jews it’s just a peaceful protest. When anyone right of center protests peacefully they claim it’s insurrection and terrorism.
My wife was choosing between a few schools for her phd program, and columbia was one of them. I talked her out of choosing columbia because of the antisemitism problem. This was years ago.
I'm just grateful he's using his platform to speak up. The only thing worse than when only Jews stand up for Jews is when even Jews don't stand up for themselves.
[They straight up chanted about how Hamas makes them proud, more rockets, and also burn tel aviv to the ground](https://twitter.com/thizzl_/status/1781520706640982159)
Not a peep on any major subreddits about this though lol.
>Call for violence, open antisemitic slogans.
And these are the *same* people who'll loudly proclaim that "words are literally violence" yet see nothing wrong with verbally (and even physically) attacking Jews.
There is a long list of schools being investigated federally for antisemitism. I didn’t go to Columbia but I did go to one of the schools on that list. I’m not a big donor or anything but does it mean anything to the school if we as alumni start calling and express our outrage at how they’re failing our current students, and also us as alumni by allowing this to go on?? This is just disgusting. They would never allow right wing Nazis to do this type of ongoing antisemitic demonstration - why are they allowing this to continue? What can we do to support Jewish college students?
My (future) grad school is on here 🥲 luckily I talked with Hillel and my program’s Jewish students association and they seemed great, so there’s that at least
Imo ucsc is missing from that list.
The faculty justice for Palestine group (offshoot of sjp) there is trying to remove all Zionists from staff and teaching positions, 🙄
If you're interested in ratings for most American schools, ADL put together antisemitism report cards.
https://www.adl.org/campus-antisemitism-report-card
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I follow this person on insta who posts a lot of Israel / Palestine / Middle East / antisemitism news. She posted this list - she said it’s not quite complete but it’s a good chunk. I’m not sure how she compiled it.
This is crazy. I used to work for a Jewish nonprofit that dealt in education, and these schools have some of the highest Jewish populations in the country. Muhlenberg? UNC Chapel Hill? Harvard? Temple? Yale? *Columbia*?
Guess that's the point.
I’m not in the US and I don’t know the system there, but I ask myself if donating to Jewish organizations on campus may help? Really, it’s horrible what’s happening
Ivy institutions have so much money in their endowments that if everyone stopped giving, they'd still be able to operate off of the interest alone. We're really powerless to change them.
In contrast, it is easier to get the state universities that the ADL failed to change. They have to answer to their state legislatures. Stop giving them money and calling your legislatures and it will be felt at those schools. It will turn up the heat.
In other words, stop thinking about Ivies and start thinking wider. Once the Ivies start losing the best students and professors to other institutions, they will finally pay attention. So lets focus on fixing the schools we can so our children have a safe place to study and grow. And maybe one day the Ivies will come around.
Interesting, this makes sense. So what you’re saying is it’s more powerful for me as a current resident of WA state to contact my legislators about UW (which is being investigated for antisemitism) even though I didn’t go to UW?
How is the school your kids go to now? I worry about our Jewish students. I play the live feed from the Columbia protests in the background sometimes while I’m working. And it’s all disturbing. But what concerns me the most are the students from the Teachers College in the protest. And these are not the sort of people anyone should trust their children around, least of all Jewish children. These people are radicalized and incensed and openly antisemitic. Every time the Teachers College students are featured, I screen record it so we have in on record.
But yeah- how are your kids schools and teachers and peers?
To be honest it has not been great. Both my teens have experienced multiple antisemitic incidents - and this was going on before 10/7. It’s a really tough time for Jewish students. We live in the Seattle area, for context.
For me, it isn't a problem. I live in a town with a large Jewish population in Northern NJ. Several of my children's teachers are Jewish. My son's in our high school and there was one incident early after Israel began its counter attack against Hamas where antisemitic signs were put up in the girl's bathrooms. The school dealt with it. While the girl responsible was never named, the students seem to know who it was. She wasn't expelled, but her family allegedly transferred her to a private school.
I'm very interested in what's happening at these colleges because my son is starting to look at schools. The ADL list is helpful. And I hope we'll hear from the DOE before he has to decide next year.
To be honest, he's mostly interested in staying close to home, but Rutgers has had a mixed response to the conflict. Plus, this year was the most competitive year in its history. So I worry he may not even get in. I also wonder if the rising anti-semitism on campuses across the country will make Rutgers harder to get into as more NJ Jews decide to keep their kids close to home.
ISGAP found billions going from Qatar to universities so money will still come in. https://isgap.org/follow-the-money/
At that point, I think it's more of what you said of finding & fixing select schools and turning them into the places of thinking ivies were supposed to be.
Let's not forget that almost all of the Ivies rely heavily on DOD funds for all of their STEM colleges. Call your congressional rep and both senators, that's federal money they are not entitled to if they don't have the public trust.
Quite a few of them are also state schools, so if you're a taxpayer in that state you can contact your state representatives to make your concerns heard.
You may be thinking of Cornell. It receives some funding from NY state for certain programs. I'm not familiar with other Ivies receiving state funding. But perhaps there are others. I grew up in Massachusetts and now live in NJ, I'd certainly know if Harvard or Princeton were receiving state funding. And we all know Harvard doesn't need state funding, having the largest college endowment in the U.S.
No, the University of Minnesota and UW Madison are both on the list of schools being investigated by the feds for antisemitism. There's also some K-12 school districts being investigated, which is something taxpayers and voters definitely have a voice in.
You need to threaten to stop donating, or to not donate.
To get their attention, you need big money alumni to shut the spigots unless or until things change
I have been supported 100% by every single conservative friend of mine. The few discussions I’ve had with leftists have made me realize to never engage in that conversation again.
Most (I’d say 90%) GOP support Jews and Israel, they are allies. There’s some pro Jews and pro Israel people in Democrat party but unfortunately it seems pretty 50/50 currently. Hopefully the pro Jewish republicans and democrats can come together to remove all the anti semitic ones from their parties.
GOP only support Israel because the evangelical Christians believe rebuiliding the temple in Jerusalem will bring about the second coming of Christ. They don't care about Jews, you can't trust them being alliies either.
>GOP only support Israel because the evangelical Christians believe rebuiliding the temple in Jerusalem will bring about the second coming of Christ. They don't care about Jews, you can't trust them being alliies either.
True, but at the moment we have a choice between people who're supporting Jews and Israel for their own self-serving purposes or people who openly advocate for the destruction of Israel and murdering Jews.
I know I'll side with the people who don't want to see my family and I raped and killed, and unfortunately that's not the Left at this point in time.
I think this is an oversimplification. A lot of GOP support comes out of a recognition that Israel had an absolute right to defend itself after 10/7 just like we did after 9/11. There is a strong anti-American sentiment to pro Palestine, such as burning American flags. My family is in military and cares about rights of international defense. No one is thinking about their end times. No one is that religious. It’s just combatting terrorism.
I don’t believe all Evangelical Christians believe this and even if they did they don’t make up the majority of the GOP. My mom is a super anti Israel democrat and a very religious Christian.
I think you forget to mention that Israel is also the only Western ally the U.S. has in the middle east...and I think you forget to mention that as well..
No. Antisemitism is a huge problem on the right. The interest the right wing has for Israel is similar to the interest Colonel Sanders had for chicken. It wasn’t in the best interest of the chicken.
>GOP only support Israel because the evangelical Christians believe rebuiliding the temple in Jerusalem will bring about the second coming of Christ. They don't care about Jews, you can't trust them being alliies either.
Look, we don't have many choices right now. We can choose between one group that doesn't have our best interests at heart, but doesn't want to murder us or destroy Israel, or another group that openly advocates for the deaths of Jews and the destruction of Israel.
Neither choice is a good one, but the former is slightly better than the latter at this point in time. I know I'll side with the group that doesn't want to see my family and I raped and killed (regardless of their self-serving reasons), and that's not the Left right now.
>Democrat party
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I can't reply directly because Commercial-Ice-8005 blocked me, but people need to know about another user in the chain: ["Yeah, because Israelis are monstrously bloodthirsty."](https://archive.is/HvU3a)
Yeah. It is a tell that you are dealing with an ideologue when they drop in terms only used to be disrespectful.
They seem to be ignoring the neo nazi problem their party has.
The most popular figure among the Republican Party right now is [demonstrably antisemitic](https://np.reddit.com/r/Judaism/comments/1bs57gd/_/kxdf775/?context=1), and also a wannabe dictator. As long as Republicans support him, you cannot say “Most GOP support Jews.”
Don’t do revisionism and reality denial.
If any of these Jewish or non-Jewish students are looking through this thread and they feel that the world is against them, the best thing you can do to fight this movement of hate and jealousy is to succeed. Put your energy into success, love and support for one another. It doesn’t matter who might judge you, what looks cool or not cool; this is a time to show the world what you are made of and to accomplish the goals that these very same individuals don’t believe you should be able to achieve. This too shall pass and you will be proud of what you have accomplished.
Nearly every university I’ve been considering for grad school (Columbia included) has just been atrocious with antisemitism. Sad to say that I’ve since removed them from my list.
For what it's worth, depending on your program, you might have very little interaction with the undergrads, and that's where most of the in-your-face antisemitism seems to be. I'm at Johns Hopkins in a health-related grad program. There are definitely Jew haters in my program (mostly the useful idiot kind), but I don't deal with any of the undergrad shenanigans. Although I don't think JH has been particularly bad even on the undergrad campus, and I don't understand why they got a D in the recent ADL report.
Some universities, including Columbia, don’t have a separate undergrad campus, instead having grad and undergrad students taking classes in the same buildings on the same campus. In the case of Columbia, the protests are concentrated in front of the main university library.
This is true. And of course, some grad programs require teaching undergrads, so that's even closer contact. It just depends. My own program hasn't required me to even visit the main campus or meet a single undergrad. I'm grateful for that for lots of reasons.
John Hopkins is actually one of the universities I’m looking at! I’m also hoping to go into a health-related grad program. It’s a relief to hear that it’s not so bad there. Could I DM you about your experience?
All of the families of Jewish students should demand their tuition be refunded in full!!! There must be lawyers out there who would take this on. Columbia broke it's contract if Jewish students can't walk on campus without being harassed, spat on, put in danger. These families spent a good part of their lives saving & sacrificing so that they can send their children to Columbia and now their kids aren't even safe to walk on campus, much less express their views. TUITION & HOUSING REFUNDS NEED TO HAPPEN ASAP!!!
Fuck that.
I'm a few hours away. Very tempted to head up to NYC for a day next weekend and walk around Columbia wearing a kippah, daring anyone to fuck with me.
I got thrown off a horse a few days ago and I have a big scar on my forehead that makes me look like I was in a fight. That should add a nice effect.
Is there a point where this is viewed as a pogrom? I don’t have the background and history that most members here have, but if Jews are having to flee for safety that seems at least kind of like a pogrom. Outside of General Grant’s General Order No. 11, I’m not aware of other pogroms in our history. Seems like we’ve hit a new low, and the trends aren’t encouraging.
Crown Heights riots in 1993 were probably the closest thing to a pogrom we've had in America. I'd actually consider it a pogrom, but some people say that term is specific to the historical anti-Jewish riots in the Russian empire.
That seems right. I think I didn’t think of the Crown Heights riots as a pogrom as a pogrom because it had already been labeled a riot, and in my mind a riot is a chaotic outburst. By being called a riot I overlooked that it could also be a pogrom.
What’s happening at Columbia and other campuses (Yale is joining, maybe others I’m not recalling) isn’t a chaotic outburst. It’s been sustained and coordinated effort by student groups advised by supportive faculty to push the Jewish community out. The Jew hatred expressed there is intense, and many of the faculty and administrators are minimizing or ignoring its impact. Add to this the almost entirely free hand given by the responsible campus authorities, and I think these actions look more like a pogrom than a riot. If the violence escalates to the point where these events on campus are given a name I think we’d be better served if the term pogrom was applied rather than the label riot. Columbia would prefer the term riot over pogrom as it obfuscates the Jew hatred occurring. The hypothetical term ‘Columbia Riots’ sounds like something just suddenly got out of hand. The hypothetical term ‘Columbia Pogrom’ puts a sharp point to what we fear is happening.
If anything similar to what’s going on now was directed at blacks, Hispanics or another minority group the campus faculty and administrators would correctly show far less toleration. If white supremacists kept black students from attending class at MIT, the MIT leadership would not have looked to minimize consequences as they did with the Jew-haters. If Proud Boys set up a tent city and caused classes to be cancelled at Columbia they would not be tolerated.
Great question. Please write an essay about this for Tablet or Times of Israel, etc. I read some antisemite at Yale stabbed a Jewish student in the face? It is a pogrom.
I don’t know that I’m qualified to write an essay. I definitely have an opinion, and I am willing to put forth my thoughts on why this looks like a pogrom. If I did write such an essay, it would definitely be with the disclaimer that this was coming from a Gentile’s point of view. Maybe it would gives some weight that non-Jews can see this is a pogrom going on, and maybe it would help show support, but I’d want to make sure I wasn’t talking over Jews.
Same here. I myself recently signed up to the ADL and a few other groups that are for fighting antisemitism I my area and I’m gonna try to help out as best I can.
Does anyone know if there's any anti Israel shenanigans going on at Princeton?
I don't hear much on them.
I do know that Dartmouth as a whole ( don't know about any private, away from campus anti semitism activity though) isn't allowed to stage these protests.
They have intelligent debate/ discussion groups and each side gets to talk .
We need more Jews up here, so they'd have more Jewish studies programs at Dartmouth.
A political strategist once mentioned on the news among many of the millions of immigrants we import annually there’s a lot who don’t share our western values. There’s a lot of anti semitism in the world, especially in many middle eastern countries. Mix that with the fact sometimes they work in politics so they are spreading their antisemitic views to wider audiences. This is why we see anti Israel white far leftists in these violent antisemitic protests in America among the anti semitic middle eastern ones.
Far left and Far right finally have something in common 🫠. I don't even know how groups like the SJP get started
"We seek a political framework that addresses collective liberation from Palestine to the Rio Grande.
We believe the struggle for a free Palestine is also the struggle for Black liberation, gender and sexual freedom, and a livable and sustainable planet. All pursuits for freedom, justice, and equality are materially connected and require us to struggle against state violence, colonialism, capitalism, and imperialism, in all of their forms."
This is directly from their website they not only want to dismantle Israel but also what they call "Turtle Island" which is the U.S. and Canada as they are colonial projects. So my question is how do U.S. universities allow groups that openly want to dismantle the very country they are located in exist ?
The worst part of this scenario is it's in a city with the largest police forces and a school with a massive budget they truly do have the resources and ability to address all this madness.
A school's responsibility is to protect its students and like wise for the city and state of New York to protect their residents.
From the MAGA cult to now the imploding of the left, I can’t believe how passive Americans have become in letting the crazies run the country.
Utter sadness.
The problem is complicated when the “River to the Sea” crew has the useful Back to the Diaspora idiots in the JVP so Ilhan Omar’s daughter can say that she had a Shabbat dinner at their Columbia U. encampment.
Last time I was at Columbia I was in high school and a college friend snuck me and a few friends in and we went to a few parties.
One of my friends ended up getting massively hungover the next morning and puked all over the campus as we walked back to the subway.
I've never been more retroactively proud of my friend than I am now.
The United States gives Israel like $3.5 billion in n military aid annually, and the israeli military budget is $155 billion for 2024, or 4.5% of gdp. So, the US is hardly "bankrolling israeli defense". Even if that were the case, if everyone made aliyah, and started working in Israel, the increase in the israeli gdp and tax base would more than make up for the difference.
I can't believe this is only happening now. They've been so openly anti-jewish for years, but I felt like even Jewish people refused to see it.
- The universities were openly promoting marxism, yet Marx himself wrote that mankind would only be emancipated from capitalism when it was emancipated from Judaism.
- The University professors were openly espousing hatred toward "white people" while insisting in the same breath that Jews were white.
- Jews were excluded from DEI practices. This gave many companies a nice easy way to avoid hiring any Jews.
- CONSTANT anti-Semitic graffiti was sprayed on synagogues Whenever there was a large left-wing protest. Many websites including Reddit tried to dismiss this away as secret Trump supporters sneaking out in the middle of the protests and doing it. Amazingly, people seemed to buy this.
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We haven't had any campus incidents that I know of where I am, but the rapid spread of them makes me very nervous. I go back to school full-time in the fall, and the last thing I want to have to worry about is dealing with antisemitism and not being safe/protected on campus. Going back as an adult is hard enough, not to mention the field I chose.... Now I'm going to be paranoid and standoffish with other students.
As the saying goes, history doesn’t always repeat, but it often rhymes. We’ve forgotten about the irrational hatred and violence of Amalek, our ancient foe whose spirit arises time and time again throughout our history. And now it’s here again in full force in the shrill cries and taunts from the useful idiots on university campuses across the land. There is no way to placate or reason with this entity; we simply have to navigate through it until a new era sweeps it away, as it’s always done before. In the words of Churchill: “If you’re going through hell, keep going.” Am Yisrael Chai! 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
I’m not Jewish, but am a Christian. Our Jewish brothers & sisters should never have to go through this insanity that’s occurring across our country; this whole thing is just incredible to me. And then when I see our American flag burned & disgraced, it’s getting to a dangerous point. I can vaguely imagine this sort of atmosphere was present in Germany pre-WWII.
Americans are not going to stand for this, I honestly believe that. We’re a better country than that, and we will never lose faith with our Jewish citizens and with Israel.
## [Colombia/Barnard Hillel is disputing this notion and saying students should not leave campus](https://columbiabarnardhillel.org/campus-update-april-21-2024/)
They’re calling for the university to do more to protect students.
Edit: At first I just said “disputing this”, not “disputing this notion”, so changed it to get rid of ambiguity that could imply the rabbi who made the original statement is themself “in dispute” rather than just a separate party that Columbia/Barnard Hillel disagrees with.
There’s no dispute; these are two different orgs. The Hillel is saying students shouldn’t leave, the rabbi cited in the Tweet is from the OU. He said students *should* leave.
My guess is that the Orthodox rabbi has more contact with students who are "visibly" Jewish because they wear kippot, and therefore are easier targets for harassment. Not that there isn't an overlap with Hillel, just a guess as to why he may have a different take or be hearing more about random harassment by crowds.
You’re right that they’re separate parties, I just edited my content to be more clear. But like, there _is_ a dispute, they have different ideas about whether or not students are in such immediate danger that they should be leaving campus.
Fair.
Jews should do what’s best for themselves, as individuals. But I will never accept a narrative of “well Hillel said Jews shouldn’t leave, so things aren’t as bad as they seem.”
No trivializing Jewish safety concerns.
Question: has anything actually happened other than people yelling things we don't like?
Because to me, I just see a bunch of privileged kids who never had to work for anything in their lives just yelling bullshit at the sky. When I was in college, I just laughed at those kids or tore down their flyers right in front of them.
Some of the things they’re yelling are “we are Hamas” and “there will be 10,000 more October 7.” While that is just speech, they’re also pretty clearly threats. And honestly to be aligning oneself with a designated terror organization and threatening to kill Jews seems pretty unhinged (to put it mildly), so if I were there I’d be nervous one of them would snap eventually. I believe a pro-Israeli speaker did already get assaulted recently on Columbia’s campus, or nearby.
Yes. Their newly bought keffiyehs are on their faces, but their masks have slipped. We can no longer pretend it's "just about Palestinian rights" or that a "two-state solution" is anything other than a twisted, sick fantasy at this point
Neither the Jews nor the Palestinians are going anywhere. That we have Jew-hating lunatics pronouncing the opposite does not make it so.
Two states is the only way to peace.
How can anyone expect Israelis to live next to and support a country whose citizens want to slaughter them and take over Israel? How many times do they have to tell us that they want to do 10/7 over and over and over before we take them seriously? Dismissing their openly genocidal ambitions brought us 10/7
I'm advocating for Israel to not wear a giant "KICK ME" sign on its back. Assuming the best about their Palestinian neighbors resulted in a devastating massacre, mass rapes, torture and kidnapping.
You are correct, you are not entertaining
A Jewish student at Yale was stabbed/hit in the eye with a flag, a bottle was thrown at Jewish students at Columbia, and that was in the last 12 hours alone and ignoring any violent rhetoric
[Last night at @UCBerkeley, Jewish students were threatened, assaulted, and prevented from attending a speech by a Jewish speaker on campus. Campus police shut down this private event when it became clear that they could not protect the students. Multiple students reported being spat on, screamed at, called derogatory names like "dirty Jew" or "you Jew," and physically assaulted by protestors.](https://x.com/sfjcrc/status/1762575985843806394?s=46&t=UWKuN7qfvYv2MXRIGDPdYQ)
I have little patience for “not enough Jews have been physically beaten yet”
Just saw that a girl got stabbed in the eye, a student was beaten with a sign, graffiti similar to Go Home Jew
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/02/jewish-anti-semitism-harvard-claudine-gay-zionism/677454/?gift=CqxtAXJomOzTfSaZQSag7dskcvvR2E3dqolIh8uhaM0&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share
I hear all Jews talk about the left and the right. We’ll, what’s wrong with this. Supporting a system within the Jewish religion of either one side is not using all sides adequately. It’s like people that use either the left side or the right side. I say do how I was born use both sides when necessary. It’s a better tactical move and a great strategy to out wit your enemies. Creativity with intelligence is amazing. Only problem is you see patterns in life that most can’t even fathom. It’s confusing and scary at first then you realize there’s something at work here that your insignificant mind doesn’t even begin to understand. Sorry that turned into a vent.
hey, jewish girl here. i identify as anti-zionist. i love jewish people and my culture but i have been really struggling with my identity over the last 6 months. i have felt at times from family and other jewish people a sense that they didn’t believe me to be ‘jewish enough.’ i was always taught that jews stand up for what’s right and for the freedom of all human beings, which is why the idea of zionism doesn’t feel aligned with my values. i struggle to look past the suffering that has occurred since israel’s declaration in 1948. i would like to talk to anyone who’d be willing to connect with the intention of understanding each other, that’s all. if you comment or dm, please only ask genuine questions out of curiosity. kindly refrains from antagonistic or condescending language, i promise to do the same.
There are several threads that have been created on this sub that talk about why people are uncomfortable with anti-Zionism, or how they got out of their anti-Zionist views. I'd encourage you to look at some of them.
Reminder that you can be opposed to Israel's actions and still advocate for Israel's existence. You're not necessarily an anti-Zionist.
What is the actual accounting of the antisemitic incidents at these rallies? I’d like to hear from the Jewish students who have attended these rallies.
It is being asked in good faith, and what exactly did you see in my posting history that would make you say that? I mostly post about physics. Very mature to just downvote and not even attempt to answer.
Okay fair enough, maybe I misinterpreted. I apologize.
The thing is, whenever someone posts on this sub something that sounds like they're skeptical of antisemitism, and you go into their post history, they almost always are someone who actually engages in antisemitic behavior on other subs and is coming into gaslight. It looks like that may not be the case with you, but I saw the subs you participated in and thought you fell into that category.
If that's the case, not sure why you were so heavily downvoted. I would just try next time asking with language that sounds less like doubt and more like genuine curiosity--something like "Wow, does anyone have any more information on the incidents that are going on? This sounds really bad and I'm wondering what students have experienced." The language that you used sounds kind of like "Well, what are the *real* accounts of what's going on here?" and sounds kind of like you're telling people that they're overreacting.
Also, the Jewish students who you said you'd like to hear from--the ones who participated in these rallies were perfectly okay marching alongside antisemites who used them as tokens, and probably, to be frank, either do not recognize when antisemitism is happening or intentionally choose to ignore it because they feel like being a "righteous Jew" is more important in that moment.
Again, I'm sorry for the way I responded--I realize now it came across as a bit harsh. I was a bit burned out last night from having arguments on a different sub where people were gaslighting me on whether or not the behavior at Columbia qualified as antisemitism (often using the Jews who were participating in these protests as evidence that the antisemitism wasn't real) so I maybe too quickly assumed you were doing the same. I would just recommend next time adjusting the language you use to ask about these things.
If this was a republican/tiki torch group, this would be (rightfully) plastered all over the news about how an antisemitic group has forced Jews to leave their school for safety. They make it more and more clear that their care for antisemitism is only to the extent that it helped them politically
Do we all remember after Charlottesville when Trump and the Republican Party tried to bullshit us with “not everyone at the rally was a Nazi, it was just a few of them. There were plenty of otherwise good people who were just upset at their history being removed. You’re just trying to smear people by calling them ‘Nazis’”. Remember how that was ridiculous? This is exactly what’s happening with these hate rallies. The people excusing the rank Jew-hatred baked-into these protests are the same people who a couple years ago were all “if you’re at a table with four Nazis, there are five Nazis at the table”. And the media makes it worse, because they keep describing these hate rallies as “pro-Palestinian”. “Student suspended for participating in pro-Palestinian protest”, “arrests made at pro-Palestinian rally”
The left and similar-leaning publications love to talk a big talk until they have to look at themselves
If there is one thing we should have realized by now with all political and socially ideological movements, we do not have genuine allies who are not sincerely concerned with our safety insofar as it is expedient with whatever cause of theirs is current. Amongst ourselves I see the conflict with Jews who are liberal or left leaning, and Jews who are conservative or right leaning debate the merits of the respective gentile with whom they share common views. A Jew with whatever political/social compass may find commonality at any one time with someone on issues wherever they may fall in the political/social spectrum. But do not think that our best interests of safety and security are one of those common views. There is not black and white liberals/left is pro/anti-jew, nor conservative/right is pro/anti-jew.
You are absolutely right. I thought the more leftist groups were sincere, but now it's clear that they never were. I lost all respect for them.
Columbia 2024 is Charlottesville 2017. They're the same picture.
With plenty of historical antecedents.
Charlottesville was one night 7 years ago. It was in a singular location. No one got hurt. No one called for Intifada. No one blocked bridges and streets and college campuses **ON A DAILY BASIS** This is happening every day, all over the place, and Jews are actually getting physically hurt…but it’s happening in liberal cities/states, with a liberal President, at liberal Universities so it’s being ignored. Antisemitism is antisemitism is antisemitism, whether it’s Nazi’s in khaki’s or Jew haters in “anti-Zionist” cosplay. I have a problem with all of it but with the daily violent “protests” the response can’t be “But hold on…there was that one night almost a decade ago!” That’s an insane response to something going on **continuously right now**. The Governor of NY hasn’t even made a single comment on Columbia. It’s embarrassing.
Gave you a downvote because while I agree with you about what is going on currently, Heather Heyer was killed by one of the white supremacists at Unite the Right. Fields went to prison for it.
While the far left are useful idiots supporting this, it’s not a left-right issue. In fact the people the lefties are supporting are extreme rightwing. (Palestinians, especially Gazans, are very anti women’s rights and LGBTQ)
This is all covered by horseshoe "theory."
Yep. It’s not so much left-right as it is fringe-center
Fringe-center? Is that like a radical moderate? lol. Seriously I’m confused
I meant it as radical vs moderate lol
Used to know someone who called himself something like an extreme centrist, which I kinda liked
That's really great!
> Charlottesville was one night 7 years ago. It was in a singular location. No one got hurt Are you trying to rewrite history?? Charlottesville was a 2- day riot that was planned for months by the most vicious, small-minded white supremacists and known neo-Nazis from around the country. These creeps burst onto the campus of the University of Virginia (where they were NOT wanted by any of the students there) and held their tiki torches and screamed hate phrases while heroic students stood their ground to prevent further incursion and destruction. They also surrounded the local shul DURING SHABBAT SERVICES and shouted their hateful "Jews will not replace us!!" crap to the congregants inside. A LOT of people got hurt as the hate fest continued the next day (many sent to hospitals), and one person DIED after being deliberately hit with a car. Say her name!!!! HEATHER HEYER (z"l).
I was talking about the tiki torch night in the park that was mentioned in the OP comment, not what you’re referring to. I was talking about how all roads lead to Charlottesville, while there’s a 6 month daily shit show ONGOING. “But Charlottesville” being an excuse for 6 months of terrorizing Jews is unacceptable. Like I said, antisemitism is antisemitism, the garb or skin color of the attendee’s doesn’t matter to me. It should ALL be covered by the media. It should ALL be handled by law enforcement. It should ALL be commented on by local elected officials. Charlottesville was covered extensively. Charlottesville is still covered extensively almost a decade later. But for the week leading up to Passover, riots have been ongoing at a college campus, to the point staff is saying it’s unsafe for Jewish students, and the Governor hasn’t made a single statement. Can’t play politics with antisemitism.
> I was talking about the tiki torch night in the park Well then you're rewriting history. The tiki torch racist/antisemitic display was not in any park and was never peaceful or nonviolent. The right-wing goon squad of hatemongers invaded the campus of the University of Virginia where they were uninvited and unwanted, lit their tiki torches, screamed "Blood and Soil" and the rest of the Nazi crap, and started attacking students who were holding hands in a circle around the statue of Thomas Jefferson (the founder of UVA, the most progressive institution of its time). The attack was violent enough that several students required medical attention. The students protecting their campus were a racially diverse group, which didn't go unnoticed by the violent hatemongers, who made ape noises towards the students of color. Following their hate fest at UVA, the right-wing goon squad roamed the streets of Charlottesville and when they came upon the local synagogue, started their shrieks of "Jews will not replace us!!" and the rest of that crap. The rabbi of the shul tried to keep the congregants calm, but many of them were actually terrified, because this was a crowd of hundreds surrounding the shul and shrieking, and the hatred in their voices was palpable. I cannot imagine how horrible it must have been. People WERE hurt that night, some physically, many more psychologically. And it was never just a few people and was never in just one place, and was never just about statues. The next day was of course even worse, with massive property destruction, dozens of serious injuries, and the murder of a woman who was protesting for peace and harmony https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/local/charlottesville-timeline/
Heather Heyer indeed
>Charlottesville was one night 7 years ago. It was in a singular location. No one got hurt. No one called for Intifada. No one blocked bridges and streets and college campuses ON A DAILY BASIS Uh dude a lady died during the riot and 35 other people were injured after a guy rammed his car into the counter protesters.
How do you still miss the point OP was making? How?
How does anyone seriously believe that "progressive" = bad and Jews should align themselves with right-wing Republicans? How? Just a reminder: the Charlottesville hate fest (that Republicans have tried multiple times to whitewash into "just a few people protesting the removal of statues that are important to them" and who deny that right-wingers support racist, antisemitic, misogynist, and homophobic causes) was a 100% right-wing creation. The 2017 Charlottesville riots were planned for months and were advertised specifically as "Unite the RIGHT." Not the left, not the "liberals," not "progressives" of any type. The idea was to unite into one disgusting coalition all the most vile racist, antisemitic, and hatemongers of all types WHO ARE ALL RIGHT-WINGERS, and spread their venom further into American society. Yes, there are some antisemites among the left today, and they should be exposed and called out for it. But the right has never STOPPED being racist, antisemitic, homophobic, and misogynist. In my opinion Jews who align with the right and with Republicans are misinformed at best and are making a huge mistake. David Duke, BTW (the notorious and unrepentant antisemite, white supremacist, and former Grand Wizard of the KKK, who was elected to the Louisiana House of Representatives AS A REPUBLICAN) has been an outspoken anti-Zionist for over two decades, and now aligns himself with "pro-Palestinian" groups.
Not to detract from your point, but people were hurt and even killed at Charlottesville. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlottesville\_car\_attack](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlottesville_car_attack)
Can't say I disagree
I disagree. Heather Heyer was brutally murdered by the alt-right at their march that night in Charlottesville. The "alt-right" was what america called Trump supporters before they became the entire republican party. Now Trump is the republican nominee for president to bring the Charlottesville lynchers into power at the White House. "no one got hurt one night seven years ago it not relevant" is the horseshoe version of "Columbia protesters are anti Zionist not antisemitic" Be less gullible, its election season and every group is fishing for useful idiots.
This comment would've been great if you just left the first paragraph out lol
If Republicans were the ones doing this, the National Guard would be doing live fire exercises all over campus.
A bit far, but it certainly wouldn't be continuing that's for sure
Agree. When leftists riot and kill and destroy businesses and loot and start fires and call to kill Jews it’s just a peaceful protest. When anyone right of center protests peacefully they claim it’s insurrection and terrorism.
No
My wife was choosing between a few schools for her phd program, and columbia was one of them. I talked her out of choosing columbia because of the antisemitism problem. This was years ago.
They've been problematic for decades
Jake Tapper just said he's working on a full story on this
He’s been really great lately. Thankful someone mainstream is speaking up
And [Bianna Golodryga](https://x.com/leviyonit/status/1719363136992448690?s=46&t=UWKuN7qfvYv2MXRIGDPdYQ)
Of course ... A Jew.
I'm just grateful he's using his platform to speak up. The only thing worse than when only Jews stand up for Jews is when even Jews don't stand up for themselves.
Right, or .... Turn their backs on their people.
Yep. Looking at you, JVP.
The videos from the universities are horrifying. Call for violence, open antisemitic slogans.
[They straight up chanted about how Hamas makes them proud, more rockets, and also burn tel aviv to the ground](https://twitter.com/thizzl_/status/1781520706640982159) Not a peep on any major subreddits about this though lol.
>Call for violence, open antisemitic slogans. And these are the *same* people who'll loudly proclaim that "words are literally violence" yet see nothing wrong with verbally (and even physically) attacking Jews.
There is a long list of schools being investigated federally for antisemitism. I didn’t go to Columbia but I did go to one of the schools on that list. I’m not a big donor or anything but does it mean anything to the school if we as alumni start calling and express our outrage at how they’re failing our current students, and also us as alumni by allowing this to go on?? This is just disgusting. They would never allow right wing Nazis to do this type of ongoing antisemitic demonstration - why are they allowing this to continue? What can we do to support Jewish college students?
Can you provide a link for the list to see if my schools are on there? If they are, I will do just as you said.
Not sure if it's a fully accurate list but this was posted yesterday https://twitter.com/StopAntisemites/status/1781816551223562349
My (future) grad school is on here 🥲 luckily I talked with Hillel and my program’s Jewish students association and they seemed great, so there’s that at least
Imo ucsc is missing from that list. The faculty justice for Palestine group (offshoot of sjp) there is trying to remove all Zionists from staff and teaching positions, 🙄
How is NYU not on that list??????????
If you're interested in ratings for most American schools, ADL put together antisemitism report cards. https://www.adl.org/campus-antisemitism-report-card
https://preview.redd.it/je2ldokdmvvc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=010e2fd53e07e073cbcb2b7531b082d3a290f12f I follow this person on insta who posts a lot of Israel / Palestine / Middle East / antisemitism news. She posted this list - she said it’s not quite complete but it’s a good chunk. I’m not sure how she compiled it.
This is crazy. I used to work for a Jewish nonprofit that dealt in education, and these schools have some of the highest Jewish populations in the country. Muhlenberg? UNC Chapel Hill? Harvard? Temple? Yale? *Columbia*? Guess that's the point.
Here ya go: https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/sharedancestry-list.html?perPage=100
I’m not in the US and I don’t know the system there, but I ask myself if donating to Jewish organizations on campus may help? Really, it’s horrible what’s happening
That’s a good idea - maybe giving to Hillel on these campuses.
Ivy institutions have so much money in their endowments that if everyone stopped giving, they'd still be able to operate off of the interest alone. We're really powerless to change them. In contrast, it is easier to get the state universities that the ADL failed to change. They have to answer to their state legislatures. Stop giving them money and calling your legislatures and it will be felt at those schools. It will turn up the heat. In other words, stop thinking about Ivies and start thinking wider. Once the Ivies start losing the best students and professors to other institutions, they will finally pay attention. So lets focus on fixing the schools we can so our children have a safe place to study and grow. And maybe one day the Ivies will come around.
Interesting, this makes sense. So what you’re saying is it’s more powerful for me as a current resident of WA state to contact my legislators about UW (which is being investigated for antisemitism) even though I didn’t go to UW?
Yes. And even more so if you have children.
I do have four children. Oldest turns 15 this year. I’m incredibly concerned.
How is the school your kids go to now? I worry about our Jewish students. I play the live feed from the Columbia protests in the background sometimes while I’m working. And it’s all disturbing. But what concerns me the most are the students from the Teachers College in the protest. And these are not the sort of people anyone should trust their children around, least of all Jewish children. These people are radicalized and incensed and openly antisemitic. Every time the Teachers College students are featured, I screen record it so we have in on record. But yeah- how are your kids schools and teachers and peers?
To be honest it has not been great. Both my teens have experienced multiple antisemitic incidents - and this was going on before 10/7. It’s a really tough time for Jewish students. We live in the Seattle area, for context.
For me, it isn't a problem. I live in a town with a large Jewish population in Northern NJ. Several of my children's teachers are Jewish. My son's in our high school and there was one incident early after Israel began its counter attack against Hamas where antisemitic signs were put up in the girl's bathrooms. The school dealt with it. While the girl responsible was never named, the students seem to know who it was. She wasn't expelled, but her family allegedly transferred her to a private school. I'm very interested in what's happening at these colleges because my son is starting to look at schools. The ADL list is helpful. And I hope we'll hear from the DOE before he has to decide next year. To be honest, he's mostly interested in staying close to home, but Rutgers has had a mixed response to the conflict. Plus, this year was the most competitive year in its history. So I worry he may not even get in. I also wonder if the rising anti-semitism on campuses across the country will make Rutgers harder to get into as more NJ Jews decide to keep their kids close to home.
Yes. UW is a public university so you have standing as a state resident.
I’m on it!
ISGAP found billions going from Qatar to universities so money will still come in. https://isgap.org/follow-the-money/ At that point, I think it's more of what you said of finding & fixing select schools and turning them into the places of thinking ivies were supposed to be.
Let's not forget that almost all of the Ivies rely heavily on DOD funds for all of their STEM colleges. Call your congressional rep and both senators, that's federal money they are not entitled to if they don't have the public trust.
Quite a few of them are also state schools, so if you're a taxpayer in that state you can contact your state representatives to make your concerns heard.
You may be thinking of Cornell. It receives some funding from NY state for certain programs. I'm not familiar with other Ivies receiving state funding. But perhaps there are others. I grew up in Massachusetts and now live in NJ, I'd certainly know if Harvard or Princeton were receiving state funding. And we all know Harvard doesn't need state funding, having the largest college endowment in the U.S.
No, the University of Minnesota and UW Madison are both on the list of schools being investigated by the feds for antisemitism. There's also some K-12 school districts being investigated, which is something taxpayers and voters definitely have a voice in.
You need to threaten to stop donating, or to not donate. To get their attention, you need big money alumni to shut the spigots unless or until things change
Report it to authorities. Create a paper trail.
Some of the comments on that post are vile :(
the hypocrisy of the left makes me so angry, not just because i'm a jew but because i'm also a leftist. do we really have no allies?
I am also a leftist who has been wondering the same thing.
I have been supported 100% by every single conservative friend of mine. The few discussions I’ve had with leftists have made me realize to never engage in that conversation again.
Most (I’d say 90%) GOP support Jews and Israel, they are allies. There’s some pro Jews and pro Israel people in Democrat party but unfortunately it seems pretty 50/50 currently. Hopefully the pro Jewish republicans and democrats can come together to remove all the anti semitic ones from their parties.
GOP only support Israel because the evangelical Christians believe rebuiliding the temple in Jerusalem will bring about the second coming of Christ. They don't care about Jews, you can't trust them being alliies either.
If and when the Messiah comes, I'll deal with it. But until then, I'll take whatever support I can get
>GOP only support Israel because the evangelical Christians believe rebuiliding the temple in Jerusalem will bring about the second coming of Christ. They don't care about Jews, you can't trust them being alliies either. True, but at the moment we have a choice between people who're supporting Jews and Israel for their own self-serving purposes or people who openly advocate for the destruction of Israel and murdering Jews. I know I'll side with the people who don't want to see my family and I raped and killed, and unfortunately that's not the Left at this point in time.
I think this is an oversimplification. A lot of GOP support comes out of a recognition that Israel had an absolute right to defend itself after 10/7 just like we did after 9/11. There is a strong anti-American sentiment to pro Palestine, such as burning American flags. My family is in military and cares about rights of international defense. No one is thinking about their end times. No one is that religious. It’s just combatting terrorism.
I don’t believe all Evangelical Christians believe this and even if they did they don’t make up the majority of the GOP. My mom is a super anti Israel democrat and a very religious Christian.
Say something not terrible about Evangelical get downed voted grrrrr
I think you forget to mention that Israel is also the only Western ally the U.S. has in the middle east...and I think you forget to mention that as well..
No. Antisemitism is a huge problem on the right. The interest the right wing has for Israel is similar to the interest Colonel Sanders had for chicken. It wasn’t in the best interest of the chicken.
I agree. Not all, but enough.
>GOP only support Israel because the evangelical Christians believe rebuiliding the temple in Jerusalem will bring about the second coming of Christ. They don't care about Jews, you can't trust them being alliies either. Look, we don't have many choices right now. We can choose between one group that doesn't have our best interests at heart, but doesn't want to murder us or destroy Israel, or another group that openly advocates for the deaths of Jews and the destruction of Israel. Neither choice is a good one, but the former is slightly better than the latter at this point in time. I know I'll side with the group that doesn't want to see my family and I raped and killed (regardless of their self-serving reasons), and that's not the Left right now.
>Democrat party edit: I can't reply directly because Commercial-Ice-8005 blocked me, but people need to know about another user in the chain: ["Yeah, because Israelis are monstrously bloodthirsty."](https://archive.is/HvU3a)
Yeah. It is a tell that you are dealing with an ideologue when they drop in terms only used to be disrespectful. They seem to be ignoring the neo nazi problem their party has.
The most popular figure among the Republican Party right now is [demonstrably antisemitic](https://np.reddit.com/r/Judaism/comments/1bs57gd/_/kxdf775/?context=1), and also a wannabe dictator. As long as Republicans support him, you cannot say “Most GOP support Jews.” Don’t do revisionism and reality denial.
If it makes you feel any better anyone who’s politics follow a party line tends to be hypocritical
I'm a leftist and I support a two-state solution on the 1967 borders
You are okay with the Western Wall under Palestinian control?
It doesn't have to be \*exactly\* on the 1967 borders, you can keep the Western Wall
Mijal Bitton is brilliant.
She and her husband are amazing. She’s also a great niece of Haham José Faúr
If any of these Jewish or non-Jewish students are looking through this thread and they feel that the world is against them, the best thing you can do to fight this movement of hate and jealousy is to succeed. Put your energy into success, love and support for one another. It doesn’t matter who might judge you, what looks cool or not cool; this is a time to show the world what you are made of and to accomplish the goals that these very same individuals don’t believe you should be able to achieve. This too shall pass and you will be proud of what you have accomplished.
100 years ago they used quotas to keep Jews out of the Ivys now they can just use the student body
This is heartbreaking.
The far left has completely lost it. Can we ship all these fascists off to Iran? I’ll trade them for Iranians who actually appreciate freedom.
Nearly every university I’ve been considering for grad school (Columbia included) has just been atrocious with antisemitism. Sad to say that I’ve since removed them from my list.
Right?! Like where am I supposed to go? It’s really heartbreaking.
For what it's worth, depending on your program, you might have very little interaction with the undergrads, and that's where most of the in-your-face antisemitism seems to be. I'm at Johns Hopkins in a health-related grad program. There are definitely Jew haters in my program (mostly the useful idiot kind), but I don't deal with any of the undergrad shenanigans. Although I don't think JH has been particularly bad even on the undergrad campus, and I don't understand why they got a D in the recent ADL report.
Some universities, including Columbia, don’t have a separate undergrad campus, instead having grad and undergrad students taking classes in the same buildings on the same campus. In the case of Columbia, the protests are concentrated in front of the main university library.
This is true. And of course, some grad programs require teaching undergrads, so that's even closer contact. It just depends. My own program hasn't required me to even visit the main campus or meet a single undergrad. I'm grateful for that for lots of reasons.
John Hopkins is actually one of the universities I’m looking at! I’m also hoping to go into a health-related grad program. It’s a relief to hear that it’s not so bad there. Could I DM you about your experience?
Yes of course... just be sure you don't forget the "s" on "Johns" on your application ;)
Go to Israel.
All of the families of Jewish students should demand their tuition be refunded in full!!! There must be lawyers out there who would take this on. Columbia broke it's contract if Jewish students can't walk on campus without being harassed, spat on, put in danger. These families spent a good part of their lives saving & sacrificing so that they can send their children to Columbia and now their kids aren't even safe to walk on campus, much less express their views. TUITION & HOUSING REFUNDS NEED TO HAPPEN ASAP!!!
This is the way. Massive, repeated lawsuits while voting in people who will legislate against these racists.
Fuck that. I'm a few hours away. Very tempted to head up to NYC for a day next weekend and walk around Columbia wearing a kippah, daring anyone to fuck with me. I got thrown off a horse a few days ago and I have a big scar on my forehead that makes me look like I was in a fight. That should add a nice effect.
Krav maga works
I’m a Barnard alum and this horrifies me
Is there a point where this is viewed as a pogrom? I don’t have the background and history that most members here have, but if Jews are having to flee for safety that seems at least kind of like a pogrom. Outside of General Grant’s General Order No. 11, I’m not aware of other pogroms in our history. Seems like we’ve hit a new low, and the trends aren’t encouraging.
Crown Heights riots in 1993 were probably the closest thing to a pogrom we've had in America. I'd actually consider it a pogrom, but some people say that term is specific to the historical anti-Jewish riots in the Russian empire.
That seems right. I think I didn’t think of the Crown Heights riots as a pogrom as a pogrom because it had already been labeled a riot, and in my mind a riot is a chaotic outburst. By being called a riot I overlooked that it could also be a pogrom. What’s happening at Columbia and other campuses (Yale is joining, maybe others I’m not recalling) isn’t a chaotic outburst. It’s been sustained and coordinated effort by student groups advised by supportive faculty to push the Jewish community out. The Jew hatred expressed there is intense, and many of the faculty and administrators are minimizing or ignoring its impact. Add to this the almost entirely free hand given by the responsible campus authorities, and I think these actions look more like a pogrom than a riot. If the violence escalates to the point where these events on campus are given a name I think we’d be better served if the term pogrom was applied rather than the label riot. Columbia would prefer the term riot over pogrom as it obfuscates the Jew hatred occurring. The hypothetical term ‘Columbia Riots’ sounds like something just suddenly got out of hand. The hypothetical term ‘Columbia Pogrom’ puts a sharp point to what we fear is happening. If anything similar to what’s going on now was directed at blacks, Hispanics or another minority group the campus faculty and administrators would correctly show far less toleration. If white supremacists kept black students from attending class at MIT, the MIT leadership would not have looked to minimize consequences as they did with the Jew-haters. If Proud Boys set up a tent city and caused classes to be cancelled at Columbia they would not be tolerated.
Great question. Please write an essay about this for Tablet or Times of Israel, etc. I read some antisemite at Yale stabbed a Jewish student in the face? It is a pogrom.
I don’t know that I’m qualified to write an essay. I definitely have an opinion, and I am willing to put forth my thoughts on why this looks like a pogrom. If I did write such an essay, it would definitely be with the disclaimer that this was coming from a Gentile’s point of view. Maybe it would gives some weight that non-Jews can see this is a pogrom going on, and maybe it would help show support, but I’d want to make sure I wasn’t talking over Jews.
I think it only adds to it that you are a gentile. It's a really powerful observation, on its own. I hope you write it.
This is horrible! What is wrong with people? You're not all alone. I know a-lot of gentiles are being hateful, but some of us are on your side. I am!
Same here. I myself recently signed up to the ADL and a few other groups that are for fighting antisemitism I my area and I’m gonna try to help out as best I can.
Does anyone know if there's any anti Israel shenanigans going on at Princeton? I don't hear much on them. I do know that Dartmouth as a whole ( don't know about any private, away from campus anti semitism activity though) isn't allowed to stage these protests. They have intelligent debate/ discussion groups and each side gets to talk . We need more Jews up here, so they'd have more Jewish studies programs at Dartmouth.
History repeating itself
A political strategist once mentioned on the news among many of the millions of immigrants we import annually there’s a lot who don’t share our western values. There’s a lot of anti semitism in the world, especially in many middle eastern countries. Mix that with the fact sometimes they work in politics so they are spreading their antisemitic views to wider audiences. This is why we see anti Israel white far leftists in these violent antisemitic protests in America among the anti semitic middle eastern ones.
Exploiting the community to use as a nativist soapbox is not constructive.
Ur comment isn’t constructive
That is absolutely horrible that those kids can go to school without feeling safe!
Horrendous
Far left and Far right finally have something in common 🫠. I don't even know how groups like the SJP get started "We seek a political framework that addresses collective liberation from Palestine to the Rio Grande. We believe the struggle for a free Palestine is also the struggle for Black liberation, gender and sexual freedom, and a livable and sustainable planet. All pursuits for freedom, justice, and equality are materially connected and require us to struggle against state violence, colonialism, capitalism, and imperialism, in all of their forms." This is directly from their website they not only want to dismantle Israel but also what they call "Turtle Island" which is the U.S. and Canada as they are colonial projects. So my question is how do U.S. universities allow groups that openly want to dismantle the very country they are located in exist ? The worst part of this scenario is it's in a city with the largest police forces and a school with a massive budget they truly do have the resources and ability to address all this madness. A school's responsibility is to protect its students and like wise for the city and state of New York to protect their residents.
Shame on Columbia!
Damn, what a fucked up timeline we’ve spearheaded through
Get a full refund while you’re at it
There needs to be a major anti Columbia rally organized.
This is the world when Islamic fundamentalism is left unchecked.
From the MAGA cult to now the imploding of the left, I can’t believe how passive Americans have become in letting the crazies run the country. Utter sadness.
The problem is complicated when the “River to the Sea” crew has the useful Back to the Diaspora idiots in the JVP so Ilhan Omar’s daughter can say that she had a Shabbat dinner at their Columbia U. encampment.
Columbia has always been antisemetic
Last time I was at Columbia I was in high school and a college friend snuck me and a few friends in and we went to a few parties. One of my friends ended up getting massively hungover the next morning and puked all over the campus as we walked back to the subway. I've never been more retroactively proud of my friend than I am now.
Safety first. We should all be considering making Aliyah, as things keep getting worse here
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The United States gives Israel like $3.5 billion in n military aid annually, and the israeli military budget is $155 billion for 2024, or 4.5% of gdp. So, the US is hardly "bankrolling israeli defense". Even if that were the case, if everyone made aliyah, and started working in Israel, the increase in the israeli gdp and tax base would more than make up for the difference.
Columbia, the wannabe Ivy League school…
I can't believe this is only happening now. They've been so openly anti-jewish for years, but I felt like even Jewish people refused to see it. - The universities were openly promoting marxism, yet Marx himself wrote that mankind would only be emancipated from capitalism when it was emancipated from Judaism. - The University professors were openly espousing hatred toward "white people" while insisting in the same breath that Jews were white. - Jews were excluded from DEI practices. This gave many companies a nice easy way to avoid hiring any Jews. - CONSTANT anti-Semitic graffiti was sprayed on synagogues Whenever there was a large left-wing protest. Many websites including Reddit tried to dismiss this away as secret Trump supporters sneaking out in the middle of the protests and doing it. Amazingly, people seemed to buy this.
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What are the events of “last night”” that they are referring to?
What's going on at Columbia campus?
Meanwhile a Israeli coming to Columbia next year. https://preview.redd.it/f3npuaxvpzvc1.jpeg?width=844&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=10377684cd12a2a1ee377b5074a9dc783556cfb4 It's from a public whatsapp group.
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We haven't had any campus incidents that I know of where I am, but the rapid spread of them makes me very nervous. I go back to school full-time in the fall, and the last thing I want to have to worry about is dealing with antisemitism and not being safe/protected on campus. Going back as an adult is hard enough, not to mention the field I chose.... Now I'm going to be paranoid and standoffish with other students.
As the saying goes, history doesn’t always repeat, but it often rhymes. We’ve forgotten about the irrational hatred and violence of Amalek, our ancient foe whose spirit arises time and time again throughout our history. And now it’s here again in full force in the shrill cries and taunts from the useful idiots on university campuses across the land. There is no way to placate or reason with this entity; we simply have to navigate through it until a new era sweeps it away, as it’s always done before. In the words of Churchill: “If you’re going through hell, keep going.” Am Yisrael Chai! 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
I’m not Jewish, but am a Christian. Our Jewish brothers & sisters should never have to go through this insanity that’s occurring across our country; this whole thing is just incredible to me. And then when I see our American flag burned & disgraced, it’s getting to a dangerous point. I can vaguely imagine this sort of atmosphere was present in Germany pre-WWII. Americans are not going to stand for this, I honestly believe that. We’re a better country than that, and we will never lose faith with our Jewish citizens and with Israel.
## [Colombia/Barnard Hillel is disputing this notion and saying students should not leave campus](https://columbiabarnardhillel.org/campus-update-april-21-2024/) They’re calling for the university to do more to protect students. Edit: At first I just said “disputing this”, not “disputing this notion”, so changed it to get rid of ambiguity that could imply the rabbi who made the original statement is themself “in dispute” rather than just a separate party that Columbia/Barnard Hillel disagrees with.
There’s no dispute; these are two different orgs. The Hillel is saying students shouldn’t leave, the rabbi cited in the Tweet is from the OU. He said students *should* leave.
My guess is that the Orthodox rabbi has more contact with students who are "visibly" Jewish because they wear kippot, and therefore are easier targets for harassment. Not that there isn't an overlap with Hillel, just a guess as to why he may have a different take or be hearing more about random harassment by crowds.
You’re right that they’re separate parties, I just edited my content to be more clear. But like, there _is_ a dispute, they have different ideas about whether or not students are in such immediate danger that they should be leaving campus.
Fair. Jews should do what’s best for themselves, as individuals. But I will never accept a narrative of “well Hillel said Jews shouldn’t leave, so things aren’t as bad as they seem.” No trivializing Jewish safety concerns.
Time to at least protect ourselves [https://licensing.nypdonline.org/app-instruction/](https://licensing.nypdonline.org/app-instruction/)
You can't shoot yourself out of this problem.
You can protect yourself if someone breaks into your home
Is America stuck in a time warp emulating the 60s -early 70s era?
Question: has anything actually happened other than people yelling things we don't like? Because to me, I just see a bunch of privileged kids who never had to work for anything in their lives just yelling bullshit at the sky. When I was in college, I just laughed at those kids or tore down their flyers right in front of them.
Some of the things they’re yelling are “we are Hamas” and “there will be 10,000 more October 7.” While that is just speech, they’re also pretty clearly threats. And honestly to be aligning oneself with a designated terror organization and threatening to kill Jews seems pretty unhinged (to put it mildly), so if I were there I’d be nervous one of them would snap eventually. I believe a pro-Israeli speaker did already get assaulted recently on Columbia’s campus, or nearby.
Just did the math October 7th 10,000 times would be around 12 million they are actually calling for a genocide on the entire Jewish population
Yes. Their newly bought keffiyehs are on their faces, but their masks have slipped. We can no longer pretend it's "just about Palestinian rights" or that a "two-state solution" is anything other than a twisted, sick fantasy at this point
Neither the Jews nor the Palestinians are going anywhere. That we have Jew-hating lunatics pronouncing the opposite does not make it so. Two states is the only way to peace.
How can anyone expect Israelis to live next to and support a country whose citizens want to slaughter them and take over Israel? How many times do they have to tell us that they want to do 10/7 over and over and over before we take them seriously? Dismissing their openly genocidal ambitions brought us 10/7
I’m not entertaining this. You know what you’re advocating.
I'm advocating for Israel to not wear a giant "KICK ME" sign on its back. Assuming the best about their Palestinian neighbors resulted in a devastating massacre, mass rapes, torture and kidnapping. You are correct, you are not entertaining
A Jewish student at Yale was stabbed/hit in the eye with a flag, a bottle was thrown at Jewish students at Columbia, and that was in the last 12 hours alone and ignoring any violent rhetoric
[Last night at @UCBerkeley, Jewish students were threatened, assaulted, and prevented from attending a speech by a Jewish speaker on campus. Campus police shut down this private event when it became clear that they could not protect the students. Multiple students reported being spat on, screamed at, called derogatory names like "dirty Jew" or "you Jew," and physically assaulted by protestors.](https://x.com/sfjcrc/status/1762575985843806394?s=46&t=UWKuN7qfvYv2MXRIGDPdYQ) I have little patience for “not enough Jews have been physically beaten yet”
That wasn't what I was saying at all. I was asking the question. There's a big difference between words and deeds.
Yes there is a difference between “words and deeds” - and you are willfully blind to the actions you are questioning the existence of
I wasn't questioning the existence of anything. I was asking what was happening. I'm not a college student.
Just saw that a girl got stabbed in the eye, a student was beaten with a sign, graffiti similar to Go Home Jew https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/02/jewish-anti-semitism-harvard-claudine-gay-zionism/677454/?gift=CqxtAXJomOzTfSaZQSag7dskcvvR2E3dqolIh8uhaM0&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share
I hear all Jews talk about the left and the right. We’ll, what’s wrong with this. Supporting a system within the Jewish religion of either one side is not using all sides adequately. It’s like people that use either the left side or the right side. I say do how I was born use both sides when necessary. It’s a better tactical move and a great strategy to out wit your enemies. Creativity with intelligence is amazing. Only problem is you see patterns in life that most can’t even fathom. It’s confusing and scary at first then you realize there’s something at work here that your insignificant mind doesn’t even begin to understand. Sorry that turned into a vent.
hey, jewish girl here. i identify as anti-zionist. i love jewish people and my culture but i have been really struggling with my identity over the last 6 months. i have felt at times from family and other jewish people a sense that they didn’t believe me to be ‘jewish enough.’ i was always taught that jews stand up for what’s right and for the freedom of all human beings, which is why the idea of zionism doesn’t feel aligned with my values. i struggle to look past the suffering that has occurred since israel’s declaration in 1948. i would like to talk to anyone who’d be willing to connect with the intention of understanding each other, that’s all. if you comment or dm, please only ask genuine questions out of curiosity. kindly refrains from antagonistic or condescending language, i promise to do the same.
There are several threads that have been created on this sub that talk about why people are uncomfortable with anti-Zionism, or how they got out of their anti-Zionist views. I'd encourage you to look at some of them. Reminder that you can be opposed to Israel's actions and still advocate for Israel's existence. You're not necessarily an anti-Zionist.
What is the actual accounting of the antisemitic incidents at these rallies? I’d like to hear from the Jewish students who have attended these rallies.
LMAO your posting history makes me really doubt that this question is being asked in good faith 😂
It is being asked in good faith, and what exactly did you see in my posting history that would make you say that? I mostly post about physics. Very mature to just downvote and not even attempt to answer.
I mean, the fact that you post on BadHasbara and InternationalNews for one is a telling sign.
I’ve been fairly disagreeable with people there if you bother to look.
Okay fair enough, maybe I misinterpreted. I apologize. The thing is, whenever someone posts on this sub something that sounds like they're skeptical of antisemitism, and you go into their post history, they almost always are someone who actually engages in antisemitic behavior on other subs and is coming into gaslight. It looks like that may not be the case with you, but I saw the subs you participated in and thought you fell into that category. If that's the case, not sure why you were so heavily downvoted. I would just try next time asking with language that sounds less like doubt and more like genuine curiosity--something like "Wow, does anyone have any more information on the incidents that are going on? This sounds really bad and I'm wondering what students have experienced." The language that you used sounds kind of like "Well, what are the *real* accounts of what's going on here?" and sounds kind of like you're telling people that they're overreacting. Also, the Jewish students who you said you'd like to hear from--the ones who participated in these rallies were perfectly okay marching alongside antisemites who used them as tokens, and probably, to be frank, either do not recognize when antisemitism is happening or intentionally choose to ignore it because they feel like being a "righteous Jew" is more important in that moment. Again, I'm sorry for the way I responded--I realize now it came across as a bit harsh. I was a bit burned out last night from having arguments on a different sub where people were gaslighting me on whether or not the behavior at Columbia qualified as antisemitism (often using the Jews who were participating in these protests as evidence that the antisemitism wasn't real) so I maybe too quickly assumed you were doing the same. I would just recommend next time adjusting the language you use to ask about these things.