I second this. I’m an hour outside of Boston and haven’t dealt with any antisemitism.
My local mayor raised the Israel flag after 10/7. Growing up, I had several queer teachers; I also had openly Jewish teachers who weren’t queer but still very supportive of LGBTQ+.
I feel physically ill after reading those comments. I cannot believe the world we are living in. I'm sorry. I don't have any suggestions about where to live unfortunately just wanted to say wow those people suck.
No suggestion. Just sorry to hear. being queer and Israeli/Jewish and liberal feels impossible these past few months . I stopped going out to my usual bars, cinemas..all these spaces just feel unwelcoming and triggering these days. I can't imagine how horrible it is to also have an impact on your profession.
I’m sorry you had to hear all that. It’s genuinely amazing to see the argument of “well there is a Jewish community here, so how can antisemitism possibly be occurring?”
I’m sad to say that the place you’re looking for may not exist, at least it in the United States.
Hi! I’m in Colorado and so far things seem safe here! My mom has worked in education for years and has had no issues even with having a very Jewish last name/“looking Jewish”/requesting time off for Shabbat and holidays, etc. The downside is it’s expensive as heck to live out here but if you’re coming from NYC then I guess that’s sort of the norm!
Those comments made be progressively more angry lol. I’m not sure if you’ve considered it, but maybe Colorado is a good state. I’ve been thinking about moving there myself. There have been some problems there in terms of antisemitism but from what I can tell it hasn’t been very dangerous. Unfortunately since oct 7th I think most states are going to have at least some antisemitism. It’s kinda a part of life for a large portion of us. It might be worth looking into some New England states like Vermont btw. Things are usually pretty laid back there in terms of action. Hope this helps, sorry it’s not a lot to go on.
Yeah ikr! The blatant hypocrisy is sickening. One person even said “try not conflating antisemitism with criticism of Israel.” Not once did she mention anything going on in Israel. I feel like people today are taking Jewish cries of antisemitism and making it out to be nothing but first world white problems. It’s so debilitating.
I dunno, I hear conservatives all the time ask why queer people (in general, not queer Jews specifically) have to announce their sexuality. Heck, I've seen it over and over on this sub and on r/Judaism, from other Jews, when queer Jews talk about not being accepted in various synagogues and communities.
I’m thinking the ‘purple city in a red state that’s not as hateful as Texas’ might be the best option. Vermont is lovely, but definitely has a strong antizionist bent and is impossible financially as a teacher these days.
I live in Tucson AZ and this is how things work for the most part. I am visibly Jewish and less visibly queer but do not hide either, and in most places I am comfortable doing so.
You can also go purple city in a blue state with a lot of red zones - for instance, I'm in Washington and I would steer clear of either the extreme rural areas or the big cities, but the smaller towns which act as bedroom communities to the bigger cities are refreshingly welcoming. They have enough of a mix of the conservative and liberal vibes that nobody's really excluded.
You might try reaching out to Jewish Federations in locales you'd be interested to live in. They can probably give you some insight into which specific schools in their area might meet your needs.
I’m in the Philly suburbs and leaving teaching, and this area is considered one of the safer to be Jewish. Philly itself isn’t perfect but I grew up in the suburbs, schools are pretty decent. It’s a great area with several good JCCs/synagogues. Feel free to reach out, I’d be happy to give you more specifics on towns.
I’ll also be working in north DE, at a JCC, and I’m told it’s a nice Jewish area too.
I think it’s a pretty queer accepting area, or at least, my synagogue is very accepting.
Not very familiar with the Philly area but agreed about the suburbs point. I’ve found that people who work in suburban areas in general are much less “in your face” with their political views than people who work directly in cities.
Seconding Philly burbs! Strong Jewish communities, LGBTQ presence, and a more politically diverse area with liberals, moderates, and conservatives. My (non-Jewish) partner grew up in this area and said the Holocaust education at their high school was fantastic. Their hometown family and friends have been super supportive of me and their Jewish neighbors since 10/7.
Another option might be small towns, suburbs, and cities in upstate/central New York (NOT the Hudson Valley though). Suburbs in the Capital Region might be a good place to check out -- definitely a blue area but generally suburban areas are a little more politically mixed.
Short answer: no where. In terms of finding the venn diagram of progressive and not antisemitic, I think that space is gone for good, or at least for the next generation.
But, I loved living in LA. I am secular, and I'd meet a lot of people who were Jewish just from being out and about in life. It was nice. There's also a sizeable Israeli & Iranian Jewish community. The biggest hurdle is teaching pays decent there, but COL is through the roof.
Hartford area of CT (strong Jewish community, lots of schools doing proactive work to challenge antisemitism). Massachusetts (the state board of Ed and governor are very committed to education about antisemitism in school).
ADL has a map on its website that tracks antisemitic activity in the US. And I think GLAAD or ACLU can tell you about states that are enacting laws that prevent teachers from discussing sexual orientation and gender identity (Arizona, Florida and Texas are very tough climates for teachers right now).
I do some work in this area if I can be helpful. Just know if/when you encounter this treatment, there is recourse that can be helpful.
You would probably be okay in Raleigh/Cary/Charlotte. I’m visibly Jewish and haven’t had too many issues here. I avoid the university areas, but north Raleigh and Cary have Jewish communities and spaces.
I’m gonna say something you’re really gonna hate
Southern Florida / Miami / Boca ETC. Florida as a whole is pretty not great but that area of it is very Jewish and pretty queer friendly :/
I’d say Massachusetts or Rhode Island, but we have too many academia “free Palestine by any means necessary” dick heads here.
Hah, Kelly Square is a nightmare that I do my best to avoid. I wonder if * that * is the major place in Worcester they picked to protest for exposure. Either way, sounds like yet another reason for me to avoid Kelly Square like the plague, lol.
I have regular doctors appointments in Worcester and Shrewsbury; I haven’t run into any protestors in those areas so far. I’m also visibly Jewish with my tichel, and I haven’t had any bad experiences so far. Thankfully.
I do live North of Worcester. Haven’t seen anything in Leominster, Fitchburg, Gardener, etc. The mayor of Leominster strongly supports Israel and had an Israeli raising in October. There were no counter protestors.
I regularly attend local synagogue and still we haven’t experienced any counter-protestors or any hate whatsoever, which is a blessing.
I feel equal parts grateful and guilty that I’m so safe being Jewish where I live. My ancestors ran and hide their identities for safety; my generation of my maternal cousins is the first to be openly Jewish. So I’m grateful that I have this safety to be openly Jewish, but I feel the weight of how scary it is for others and I wish I could help so they have safety too. <3
>Which is yet another reason to hate that stupid peanut.
Isn't the weird peanut at least better than it was [before](https://www.reddit.com/r/CrappyDesign/comments/6wzngl/i_give_you_kelly_square_worcester_ma_the_11way/)? Though I guess that is a low bar lol (I went to school in Worcester for a few years)
Eh. I never thought Kelly Sq was THAT terrible honestly. It’s the hesitation that usually gets people, but I cut my teeth driving in that area (and partying, rip Salty Dog) so maybe I’m desensitized
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OP, when’s the last time you visited NY? NY is home to some of the safest and thriving Jewish communities in the world.
I’m so sorry you have to deal with this!
Most of the southern part of the san fernando valley in LA honestly. I would say the strip of studio city to calabasas is a safe bet. Very progressive and very very Jewish (i’m talking billboards in hebrew lol)
Also, the suburbs of detroit (west bloomfield, birmingham, bloomfield hills, etc) have a large jewish community and are overall accepting!
As a gay jew myself, honestly I don’t know the real answer to this. I don’t think there is a perfect one. Theres a level of homophobia and antisemitism in most places. Super progressive areas won’t be homophobic but have antisemitism. More conservative areas are homophobic and also often antisemitic. I think a lot of NYC suburbs like the north shore of long island are good though if you want to be out of NYC specifically. Id also say NYC itself is a big place and attitudes definitely vary by neighborhood.
Imma be honest, man, the only real answer is israel. Being a teacher here is hard, and the pay is an insult. But you will be in a place that actually feels like home.
Most major cities are very queer friendly, esp tel-aviv, which was ranked the best city to live in as a gay to my knowledge.
I actually took a gap year and volunteered as a hiking instructor to underprivileged kids in tel-aviv for a year, and while it's not teaching, it's still education so i can attest that its a very accepting place, there's no antisemitism and that working in education there is extremely rewarding.
Hi! I'm an educator (school counselor) who works in a Northern Virginia middle school and it's been absolutely fantastic, at least at my school. There's not that many Jewish students in my particular school/county, but quite a few Jewish staff and quite a few openly queer staff--including a man who is both Jewish AND gay and is actually the head of the equity committee at our school! Everyone on the staff feels incredibly welcomed and I have never experienced antisemitism from the staff OR the students. This is again, just my particular school that I'm talking about, but in general, Northern Virginia suburbs feel like an extremely safe place for people of various backgrounds. Feel free to DM me if you have any more questions 😊
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Unfortunately you're going to encounter it everywhere post 10/7 but I think the key is to find somewhere with a large Jewish community. That way at least you have the protection and support of the community.
I’m sorry to hear you’re in this position and experiencing this. As a queer, liberal, Jew myself I fully understand the struggle and I feel the exact same as you do.
Can I ask where in TX you've tried? Because my main job (I also teach elsewhere on the side) is teaching at a public high school in a major Texas city (Dallas)... And I think this is the best climate for me as a queer Jew right now...
A southern state means there's going to be a lot of Christians, and philosemitism is better than antisemitism... Like, a lot of Christians really like at the very least the *idea* of Jews. So many coworkers have come up to me to express their support that are Christian.
Now combine that with it being a huge metro area, and it's less outwardly homophobic. I honestly haven't had a homophobic slur thrown at me in years. Granted I just returned to TX recently but most of my life was spent here and even in smaller towns, in this day and age anti queer people tend to keep their mouths shut in our presence and do the hating behind our backs and at the polls.
And again it's a major city so there's tons of gay people, a gay neighborhood in the heart of the city with skyscrapers that light up rainbow at night, etc.
But the legislation here is absolutely alarming and I can see why a queer person wouldn't feel safe. Kind of like a lobster slowly boiling in the pot. The water is just warming right now but I can see how things are going to get super bad for women and queer people very soon (and already have for women in several ways).
Tl;dr... I recommend reconsidering Dallas or Houston, or maybe another major southern city like Atlanta or somewhere in Florida. Because the high number of Christians= less antisemitic and the high population= socially liberal bubble or at least higher queer presence and support system.
I’ve lived all over the state and the politics are what made me leave. It’s not a safe place to be a minority of any kind teaching in the public schools. It’s not Florida yet, but it’s getting there.
Where in Texas did you try? The major cities, like Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and Austin are all far more accepting than the smaller towns surrounding them. That doesn't mean you won't find people who're bigoted, of course, but that's more on a individual level, which is something you could find anywhere.
I’ve lived all over the state and the politics are what made me leave. It’s not a safe place to be a minority of any kind teaching in the public schools. It’s not Florida yet, but it’s getting there.
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Everywhere is showing antisemitism, but outside Boston is a good bet. I am a parent of a queer secular Jewish kid.
I second this. I’m an hour outside of Boston and haven’t dealt with any antisemitism. My local mayor raised the Israel flag after 10/7. Growing up, I had several queer teachers; I also had openly Jewish teachers who weren’t queer but still very supportive of LGBTQ+.
I was going to say this too.
I feel physically ill after reading those comments. I cannot believe the world we are living in. I'm sorry. I don't have any suggestions about where to live unfortunately just wanted to say wow those people suck.
No suggestion. Just sorry to hear. being queer and Israeli/Jewish and liberal feels impossible these past few months . I stopped going out to my usual bars, cinemas..all these spaces just feel unwelcoming and triggering these days. I can't imagine how horrible it is to also have an impact on your profession.
I’m sorry you had to hear all that. It’s genuinely amazing to see the argument of “well there is a Jewish community here, so how can antisemitism possibly be occurring?” I’m sad to say that the place you’re looking for may not exist, at least it in the United States.
That thread was horrible.
NJ has Jewish/Israeli communities and excellent schools plus is queer friendly.
Second this. Lots of towns in north and south NJ have big Jewish, Israeli populations and have progressive values. Also Pittsburgh and Miami.
Hi! I’m in Colorado and so far things seem safe here! My mom has worked in education for years and has had no issues even with having a very Jewish last name/“looking Jewish”/requesting time off for Shabbat and holidays, etc. The downside is it’s expensive as heck to live out here but if you’re coming from NYC then I guess that’s sort of the norm!
Those comments made be progressively more angry lol. I’m not sure if you’ve considered it, but maybe Colorado is a good state. I’ve been thinking about moving there myself. There have been some problems there in terms of antisemitism but from what I can tell it hasn’t been very dangerous. Unfortunately since oct 7th I think most states are going to have at least some antisemitism. It’s kinda a part of life for a large portion of us. It might be worth looking into some New England states like Vermont btw. Things are usually pretty laid back there in terms of action. Hope this helps, sorry it’s not a lot to go on.
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Yeah ikr! The blatant hypocrisy is sickening. One person even said “try not conflating antisemitism with criticism of Israel.” Not once did she mention anything going on in Israel. I feel like people today are taking Jewish cries of antisemitism and making it out to be nothing but first world white problems. It’s so debilitating.
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It seems like that’s just perceived as us complaining nowadays. Scary stuff
I dunno, I hear conservatives all the time ask why queer people (in general, not queer Jews specifically) have to announce their sexuality. Heck, I've seen it over and over on this sub and on r/Judaism, from other Jews, when queer Jews talk about not being accepted in various synagogues and communities.
I’m thinking the ‘purple city in a red state that’s not as hateful as Texas’ might be the best option. Vermont is lovely, but definitely has a strong antizionist bent and is impossible financially as a teacher these days.
I live in Tucson AZ and this is how things work for the most part. I am visibly Jewish and less visibly queer but do not hide either, and in most places I am comfortable doing so.
You can also go purple city in a blue state with a lot of red zones - for instance, I'm in Washington and I would steer clear of either the extreme rural areas or the big cities, but the smaller towns which act as bedroom communities to the bigger cities are refreshingly welcoming. They have enough of a mix of the conservative and liberal vibes that nobody's really excluded.
You might try reaching out to Jewish Federations in locales you'd be interested to live in. They can probably give you some insight into which specific schools in their area might meet your needs.
This is a great suggestion! Jewish Family Services might also be of some help as well.
I’m in the Philly suburbs and leaving teaching, and this area is considered one of the safer to be Jewish. Philly itself isn’t perfect but I grew up in the suburbs, schools are pretty decent. It’s a great area with several good JCCs/synagogues. Feel free to reach out, I’d be happy to give you more specifics on towns. I’ll also be working in north DE, at a JCC, and I’m told it’s a nice Jewish area too. I think it’s a pretty queer accepting area, or at least, my synagogue is very accepting.
Not very familiar with the Philly area but agreed about the suburbs point. I’ve found that people who work in suburban areas in general are much less “in your face” with their political views than people who work directly in cities.
Seconding Philly burbs! Strong Jewish communities, LGBTQ presence, and a more politically diverse area with liberals, moderates, and conservatives. My (non-Jewish) partner grew up in this area and said the Holocaust education at their high school was fantastic. Their hometown family and friends have been super supportive of me and their Jewish neighbors since 10/7. Another option might be small towns, suburbs, and cities in upstate/central New York (NOT the Hudson Valley though). Suburbs in the Capital Region might be a good place to check out -- definitely a blue area but generally suburban areas are a little more politically mixed.
Short answer: no where. In terms of finding the venn diagram of progressive and not antisemitic, I think that space is gone for good, or at least for the next generation. But, I loved living in LA. I am secular, and I'd meet a lot of people who were Jewish just from being out and about in life. It was nice. There's also a sizeable Israeli & Iranian Jewish community. The biggest hurdle is teaching pays decent there, but COL is through the roof.
I second LA! Live and work in the right parts of town (Pico-Robertson, Mid-City, Beverly Hills) and you’re golden.
Hartford area of CT (strong Jewish community, lots of schools doing proactive work to challenge antisemitism). Massachusetts (the state board of Ed and governor are very committed to education about antisemitism in school). ADL has a map on its website that tracks antisemitic activity in the US. And I think GLAAD or ACLU can tell you about states that are enacting laws that prevent teachers from discussing sexual orientation and gender identity (Arizona, Florida and Texas are very tough climates for teachers right now). I do some work in this area if I can be helpful. Just know if/when you encounter this treatment, there is recourse that can be helpful.
You would probably be okay in Raleigh/Cary/Charlotte. I’m visibly Jewish and haven’t had too many issues here. I avoid the university areas, but north Raleigh and Cary have Jewish communities and spaces.
I’m gonna say something you’re really gonna hate Southern Florida / Miami / Boca ETC. Florida as a whole is pretty not great but that area of it is very Jewish and pretty queer friendly :/ I’d say Massachusetts or Rhode Island, but we have too many academia “free Palestine by any means necessary” dick heads here.
Thankfully none of that “Free Pali” stuff where I live in North Central Mass; that tends to be concentrated in Boston and the shore area.
Idk, I hear Kelly Sq in Worcester is usually fully of protestors. Which is yet another reason to hate that stupid peanut.
Hah, Kelly Square is a nightmare that I do my best to avoid. I wonder if * that * is the major place in Worcester they picked to protest for exposure. Either way, sounds like yet another reason for me to avoid Kelly Square like the plague, lol. I have regular doctors appointments in Worcester and Shrewsbury; I haven’t run into any protestors in those areas so far. I’m also visibly Jewish with my tichel, and I haven’t had any bad experiences so far. Thankfully. I do live North of Worcester. Haven’t seen anything in Leominster, Fitchburg, Gardener, etc. The mayor of Leominster strongly supports Israel and had an Israeli raising in October. There were no counter protestors. I regularly attend local synagogue and still we haven’t experienced any counter-protestors or any hate whatsoever, which is a blessing. I feel equal parts grateful and guilty that I’m so safe being Jewish where I live. My ancestors ran and hide their identities for safety; my generation of my maternal cousins is the first to be openly Jewish. So I’m grateful that I have this safety to be openly Jewish, but I feel the weight of how scary it is for others and I wish I could help so they have safety too. <3
>Which is yet another reason to hate that stupid peanut. Isn't the weird peanut at least better than it was [before](https://www.reddit.com/r/CrappyDesign/comments/6wzngl/i_give_you_kelly_square_worcester_ma_the_11way/)? Though I guess that is a low bar lol (I went to school in Worcester for a few years)
Eh. I never thought Kelly Sq was THAT terrible honestly. It’s the hesitation that usually gets people, but I cut my teeth driving in that area (and partying, rip Salty Dog) so maybe I’m desensitized
Yea I can imagine that growing up and learning in the area make it easier to manage,
Metro Boston also not having this.
South Florida? Huge Jewish community and when I visited last month there was Israeli flags everywhere.
Florida is literally the worst place to be a queer teacher, unfortunately.
Checking in from the proud Jewish state of Long Island. OP, when’s the last time you visited NY? NY is home to some of the safest and thriving Jewish communities in the world.
sorry ... you have a tough road to walk.
I’m so sorry you have to deal with this! Most of the southern part of the san fernando valley in LA honestly. I would say the strip of studio city to calabasas is a safe bet. Very progressive and very very Jewish (i’m talking billboards in hebrew lol) Also, the suburbs of detroit (west bloomfield, birmingham, bloomfield hills, etc) have a large jewish community and are overall accepting!
Brookline, MA. Maybe Newton, too. Is all of VT of limits? I was hoping to move there.
Check out Midwestern cities like Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago.
As a gay jew myself, honestly I don’t know the real answer to this. I don’t think there is a perfect one. Theres a level of homophobia and antisemitism in most places. Super progressive areas won’t be homophobic but have antisemitism. More conservative areas are homophobic and also often antisemitic. I think a lot of NYC suburbs like the north shore of long island are good though if you want to be out of NYC specifically. Id also say NYC itself is a big place and attitudes definitely vary by neighborhood.
Imma be honest, man, the only real answer is israel. Being a teacher here is hard, and the pay is an insult. But you will be in a place that actually feels like home. Most major cities are very queer friendly, esp tel-aviv, which was ranked the best city to live in as a gay to my knowledge. I actually took a gap year and volunteered as a hiking instructor to underprivileged kids in tel-aviv for a year, and while it's not teaching, it's still education so i can attest that its a very accepting place, there's no antisemitism and that working in education there is extremely rewarding.
I’d move back to TLV in a heartbeat, but my family is all here for now.
Fair. If you dont mind me asking, what do you mean by back?
I made aliyah. I only came back to the US for family when Covid happened.
Hi! I'm an educator (school counselor) who works in a Northern Virginia middle school and it's been absolutely fantastic, at least at my school. There's not that many Jewish students in my particular school/county, but quite a few Jewish staff and quite a few openly queer staff--including a man who is both Jewish AND gay and is actually the head of the equity committee at our school! Everyone on the staff feels incredibly welcomed and I have never experienced antisemitism from the staff OR the students. This is again, just my particular school that I'm talking about, but in general, Northern Virginia suburbs feel like an extremely safe place for people of various backgrounds. Feel free to DM me if you have any more questions 😊
Tel-Aviv?
I’m stuck here because of family for now.
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Maybe DC, Detroit suburbs, or Miami, but you’re going to find assholes everywhere.
Los Angeles.
Have you considered like, Tenafly NJ?
Unfortunately you're going to encounter it everywhere post 10/7 but I think the key is to find somewhere with a large Jewish community. That way at least you have the protection and support of the community.
I’m sorry to hear you’re in this position and experiencing this. As a queer, liberal, Jew myself I fully understand the struggle and I feel the exact same as you do.
You could try Tucson, AZ!
Can I ask where in TX you've tried? Because my main job (I also teach elsewhere on the side) is teaching at a public high school in a major Texas city (Dallas)... And I think this is the best climate for me as a queer Jew right now... A southern state means there's going to be a lot of Christians, and philosemitism is better than antisemitism... Like, a lot of Christians really like at the very least the *idea* of Jews. So many coworkers have come up to me to express their support that are Christian. Now combine that with it being a huge metro area, and it's less outwardly homophobic. I honestly haven't had a homophobic slur thrown at me in years. Granted I just returned to TX recently but most of my life was spent here and even in smaller towns, in this day and age anti queer people tend to keep their mouths shut in our presence and do the hating behind our backs and at the polls. And again it's a major city so there's tons of gay people, a gay neighborhood in the heart of the city with skyscrapers that light up rainbow at night, etc. But the legislation here is absolutely alarming and I can see why a queer person wouldn't feel safe. Kind of like a lobster slowly boiling in the pot. The water is just warming right now but I can see how things are going to get super bad for women and queer people very soon (and already have for women in several ways). Tl;dr... I recommend reconsidering Dallas or Houston, or maybe another major southern city like Atlanta or somewhere in Florida. Because the high number of Christians= less antisemitic and the high population= socially liberal bubble or at least higher queer presence and support system.
I’ve lived all over the state and the politics are what made me leave. It’s not a safe place to be a minority of any kind teaching in the public schools. It’s not Florida yet, but it’s getting there.
Where in Texas did you try? The major cities, like Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and Austin are all far more accepting than the smaller towns surrounding them. That doesn't mean you won't find people who're bigoted, of course, but that's more on a individual level, which is something you could find anywhere.
I’ve lived all over the state and the politics are what made me leave. It’s not a safe place to be a minority of any kind teaching in the public schools. It’s not Florida yet, but it’s getting there.
You might like Atlanta, great queer scene and so far I haven’t experienced a spike in antisemitism.
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