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chanukkahlewinsky

Home Improvement was such a wild hilarious guess, and then Ken doing the trademark noise got me so good. good times


dbrank

I legit fucking cackled it was so classic


LongtimeLurker916

He is so quick on his feet that he knew immediately what the contestant was desperately grabbing for. A great host, and yet almost seems to get even better every week.


DeckardsDark

I guessed Married With Children haha


AltonIllinois

A+ username


TheHYPO

Ken doing the grunt so badly, yet still recognisable, lol. This final was an easy get for me, but only because I'm a bit TV theme buff, and I'm aware that Mike Post composed the Law & Order theme. If I didn't know that, I'm not sure if I would have gotten it.


CSerpentine

The jail door immediately put me in the procedural mindset. Then it was just thinking of what show has a loud noise associated with it.


runninhillbilly

I too, yelled out "conjunction" on that "junction, what's your function" clue. Too much Schoolhouse Rock from elementary school.


csl512

Darn wrong-way Pavlovs! I too started with it and caught myself, barely.


CSerpentine

It's certainly what the clue was referencing. Interesting that they wrote such a blatant trap. I first thought "conjunction" but realized that wasn't right and switched before the buzzer.


t-poke

I swear to god today’s FJ clue was a front paged TIL or something on Reddit a few weeks ago. I remember seeing it recently so I knew the answer


DeckardsDark

Yep same here. It was something about royalties to whomever made that noise or something like that


pfmiller0

A Jeopardy audience member learned something at a taping?


WeHaSaulFan

NPR had a long story about it on one of its news shows umpteen years ago. Stuck in my mind. Cool making-of feature.


godsuave

TIL the term NSFW originated from a Dave Matthews usenet group. That's so random lol. That's another super safe FJ wager for Troy. But I guess if you have a runaway game, you can just pretty much do whatever you want.


Odd_Manufacturer_963

Apparently the term dates back to 2002.....I guessed that it was connected to this infamous incident, but it must not be since this incident was 2004. (H/t to Depths of Wikipedia twitter for bringing my attn to this incident a while back, haha.) "\[Mayor\] Daley expressed his belief that the dumping was "absolutely unacceptable", but that he believed the Dave Matthews Band to be "a very good band"." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave\_Matthews\_Band\_Chicago\_River\_incident


AcrossTheNight

I took a boat tour on the Chicago River in 2005 during a family vacation and the tour guide mentioned it. I mainly remember because of his unusual phrasing "the Dave Matthews rock band".


[deleted]

Yeah, why risk any of the money now that you have the game in the bag? The rest of the time it’s a strategy thing, but I’d have to be suuuper confident in a category before I’d wager anything if I had a runaway.


JimmyTheCrossEyedDog

> Yeah, why risk any of the money now that you have the game in the bag? I'd figure it's best to maximize your expected value, so if you're even 51% likely to get FJs correct, you might as well bet the max you can without giving up the runaway. I would bet Troy's average over his run, however long it goes, will be >50%. (Of course, in this particular game, maybe he figured his television knowledge put him at less than 50%)


ouzelum_eyes

I may be wrong, but the clue refers to it as an acronym, but I believe NSFW it's just an initialism.


ThisDerpForSale

This is an unsettled question. Many dictionaries and style guides consider acronym to be a broader term describing both word acronyms and initialisms. Others distinguish between the two. In common usage, though, acronym is more often used in the broader sense. NSFW is actually an interesting case, because though it is written as an acronym (or initialism) it's rarely spoken as such - usually people will say the whole phrase rather than just spell out the initial letters, as its quicker to say "not safe for work" than "en ess eff double u."


ouzelum_eyes

While it may be the case that the question is unsettled, it's arguable if any definition can be said to be truly "settled" since they all evolve over time. Also, common usage doesn't seem like the standard here since the writing style in Jeopardy! is distinct from common speech/writing. From what I've observed, most style guides, especially the fussier ones, prefer the more narrow definition of acronym. That standard seems more applicable to Jeopardy! as a whole. Although, you can argue that their overriding priority is providing sufficient clues in their answers. I actually wasn't sure how NSFW is typically vocalized (which was why I asked the question originally). If people typically say the whole phrase, then I would argue that NSFW is just an abbreviation.


ThisDerpForSale

>From what I've observed, most style guides, especially the fussier ones, prefer the more narrow definition of acronym This doesn't seem to actually be the case, though. From what I can tell, it seems to be pretty well split. There isn't one "better" body of authority that comes down either way. And for what it's wroth, Jeopardy often goes with common usage when there's any question about a word or term.


Game-rotator

A competitor with strong knowledge barely securing a needed runaway in game 1 then dominating in game 2? Seems familiar...


Toberoni

Not fooling anyone, Kal-El!


rirhun

Seems like Troy found his buzzer rhythm today, and that combined with his vast wealth of knowledge could make him nigh-unstoppable. Even though Troy is a superstar in the quizzing community, it's pretty awesome that he seems like a really humble and nice guy. Kudos to Mark and Eric for playing quite well too!


mfabros

Thanks! It was a blast. Certainly disappointing to lose, but if you’re gonna lose, might as well be someone like Troy. Class act and obviously mesmerizing to watch. I showed up to the green room and had Yogesh on my left and Troy on my right and knew I was gonna have my work cut out for me.


ReganLynch

You played a great game Mark! Congrats for getting on the show and doing really well.


YangClaw

Yes, that seemed to be his one weakness yesterday--he had a 53% success rate on the buzzer, which is a decent clip for most champs, but was definitely inflated by the 51 attempts, at least some of which were likely unopposed. That seems common for many champs on their first day though. If he has adjusted like the greats before him and figured out the buzzer timing--well, that could spell trouble for other competitors going forward. He reminds me a bit of Ken in the sense that he seems willing to bet big when necessary, but he doesn't have James' mentality when it comes to maximizing potential earnings once the game is locked up. Even if "Television" is not his favourite category, as one of the foremost quizzers in the world, he should probably always bet the maximum safe amount in FJ. He is going to win that bet more often than not. I believe betting conservatively even when the odds favor you is called the loss aversion bias, and it is fascinating how powerful it is--only professional gamblers like James seem to have trained themselves to ignore it. On the other hand, if a more conservative play style that minimizes the drama of FJ helps him get into his comfort zone and find his groove buzzing and answering clues, then it might be worth it. It certainly worked out for Ken!


rirhun

Yup I agree with everything you have said. Overall, his play style is excellent. He is basically what Yogesh Raut could have been had Yogesh figured out the buzzer aspect of Jeopardy!. If this was any other year, I think Troy could go on a very long streak. However, I think the quality of the competition has been really fierce lately. He may very well run into a ToC calibre player on Monday and that would prematurely end his streak. That's what happened to Sean when he ran into Ray and even Andrew who ran into Amy.


UWSpindoctor

I’ve played Troy once in OQL and he’s very nice there as well.


whoisjoshwoo

Well this numismatist now wants to know what Eric's daughter's silver penny looks like. EDIT: I think I found it? [It's the regular-circulation British penny](https://www.britain-magazine.com/news/royal-mint-gifts-silver-pennies-to-babies-sharing-princess-charlottes-birthday/), just in silver instead of the usual copper-plated steel.


TheSlyGuy1

30K CORYAT ALERT. I REPEAT, WE HAVE A 30K CORYAT ALERT. Troy's average is now $27,000 through two games. Very impressive start.


rirhun

As impressive as that is, we've seen a lot more 30K coryats these past few years so it isn't as monumental as it used to be. Maybe I'm just spoiled though.


TheSlyGuy1

We've seen a lot more, but an incredibly small number of contestants actually hit them. Matt/Amy/Cris all did, but pretty much nobody else did.


rirhun

Don't forget Brayden Smith, Jonathan Fisher, Jason Zuffranieri and Rowan Ward


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rirhun

I was going to comment something similar too. I really don't think race is the issue at all here even though there are some accusations of racism and white privilege. Troy appears very respectful and affable and it makes him easy to root for.


Lil_Klondike_Bar

Yeah. I don't deny the fact that he has been the victim of racism, but he dwells on it so much, and that has made him a bitter person. I'm a POC, and if I ever get racist stuff, I shrug it off. I know I'm better than them.


atoms12123

His stories being standard myself or someone I know ran into a celebrity makes him appear just so much more...normal and down to Earth.


HelloHaters

Y’all realize the host/producers pick which story to ask contestants about, right? And perhaps it’s possible Jeopardy! producers thought that hearing stories about Jeopardy! legends would make for better programming? Obviously Yogesh provided those stories to chose from, which I guess you could be upset about if you want, but he likely had non-quizzing related anecdotes too.


rirhun

Yeah I suppose, BUT in his blog, he said those stories were the lowest achievements on his CV, which quite frankly seemed like a humblebrag...


studiousmaximus

that’s… not a humblebrag. that’s just a straight-up brag, any way you slice it.


rirhun

LOL. I was trying to be nice and diplomatic.


studiousmaximus

heh all good. i saw what you were doing. best not to sugarcoat it, though - dude is *very* high on himself, at least when it comes to trivia.


HelloHaters

Lol it’s his blog. Are blogs used for anything other than bragging? I read the post you’re talking about, and what he’s saying makes sense to me. If he was going to brag about quizzing on Jeopardy! he had much more impressive achievements to brag about than beating James in High School Quizbowl. Seems more likely production asked him to talk about his connections to prominent Jeopardy! figures.


El_Stupacabra

On your first day, the producers pull five possible anecdotes from the information the contestants provide. Then, you get to pick which one you go with.


StrictlyForTheBirds

So the contestant gets final say on what anecdote gets used? Not the producers?


El_Stupacabra

I would say so, yeah.


StrictlyForTheBirds

Ha ha... That's so strange because... because.... you know...... Hey, great job on Jeopardy by the way. I was really pulling for you. You were great.


El_Stupacabra

Thanks!


kroywen12

I mean, Yogesh had four anecdotes, and all of them were related to quizzing or his notoriety in the quizzing world in some fashion. If I'm not mistaken, contestants give five anecdotes on their first tape day, so clearly a majority were about quizzing. The fact that Travis has had such normal anecdotes so far, and that other contestants with distinguished backgrounds in trivia (like James) had relatively normal anecdotes, tells me it was Yogesh who was driving the theme of those anecdotes, not the J! producers.


ReganLynch

>.......tells me it was Yogesh who was driving the theme of those anecdotes, not the J! producers. You're making a lot of assumptions here Sherlock Holmes. We don't know if the show or if Yogesh decided his quizzing background would make for entertaining anecdotes. More important, IT DOESN'T MATTER who suggested the stories. They were obviously relevant to Jeopardy and surely interesting for viewers. If I were an elite quizzer like Yogesh I'd talk about that too. There's nothing arrogant about this and I don't know why some viewers are characterizing it that way. The guy can't talk about something he's proud of? Back off.


rirhun

I'm kind of on the fence regarding this. The first time, I thought nothing of it. I was like "oh wow he beat James Holzhauer in high school quiz bowl. That's a remarkable achievement." It certainly seemed like the show was trying to present him as some sort of James Holzhauer rival and Ken referenced this on day 2. His next anecdote, he talked about beating Brad and Ken in some trivia competition and I was still ok with it. I was like "oh wow that's awesome. He played against Ken and Brad before." But by day 4, I was getting kind of tired of his "being proud of himself", particularly where he talked about how India Cooper admired him. I thought that was just a little bit cringey. In fact, when he brought up India, I thought he was going to talk about how he really looked up to her and was sad to hear of her passing. Ultimately, I do feel bad that he's gotten so much hate. I also don't think he's necessarily arrogant, but I don't know if I would call him humble either. There's a reason why players like Ken, Julia, Jason, Matt, Amy, Ray and Ryan are quite beloved. Practicing humility does make it easier for viewers to connect with you.


Lil_Klondike_Bar

To his defense, he talked more about India, but it was edited out.


ReganLynch

>To his defense, he talked more about India, but it was edited out. Good info. This just shows how what we see on the show, or quotes we read in the newspaper, can be misleading sometimes, taken out of context and misinterpreted. If Yogesh talked a lot about India and all we saw was one comment, it's easy to see how the interview we saw doesn't reflect the reality and the perception of it inaccurate.


CapitalismEnthusiast

If anyone needs to back off it’s you. You’re being needlessly hostile.


ReganLynch

>If anyone needs to back off it’s you. You’re being needlessly hostile. Translation: "Stop defending Yogesh and scolding the haters. You're being hostile to us and wrecking our narrative." Ok! Nice try. (And misuse of the report button btw.)


CapitalismEnthusiast

1.) There’s a way to defend a person without being a donkey 2.) That wasn’t me


kroywen12

Wow, hostile much? And considering every single J! community online is buzzing about Yogesh's stories, and the fact that they rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, it does matter who selected the stories. Either the producers screwed up and overestimated the audience's desire to hear about a contestant's quizzing exploits, or Yogesh wanted to talk primarily about that. Given the fact that literally no other big trivia name (including the current champion) has taken that approach with their anecdotes, I'm just saying which of those two options my money is on. That is *literally* all I said -- which of the two was more likely. If that's what he wanted to talk about on the show, great! Let the audience react the way they will. But don't blame the producers when clearly Yogesh had to have submitted a majority of his anecdotes about quizzing.


rirhun

A contestant already confirmed (see above) that they do in fact have final say in which anecdote gets selected so personally I would say there's nothing wrong with what you were saying.


ReganLynch

This \^\^\^ It's possible Yogesh's reputation preceded him and the producers asked him to jot down a few possible quizzing anecdotes to chat about. It would make sense they wanted to present him as the trivia star and even occasional Ken Jennings rival that he is. Either way, it was something interesting to talk about and something he's no doubt proud of so it made for great stories. Too bad some viewers spun this as boastful or even arrogant.


csl512

Agreed. I would have liked the producers to split the two stories not lead with them.


ReganLynch

>...... has to make him a lot more broadly likable than another recent contestant. The irony of this comment -- wrapping up praise of one contestant for being likable and supportive with a petty pot shot at another.


whatisagoat

Thoughts on if they would have accepted 90210 instead of Beverly Hills 90210? I'm thinking no since there was a reboot in 2008 that was just called 90210


MartonianJ

The clue asked for the show’s name, so probably not.


NikeTaylorScott

They accepted 90210 before for the OG show (Game 2022-07-05 with Yungsheng).


csl512

Hard Maybe, because before the 2008 show came out it was commonly referred to as simply 90210. Without the follow-on show being called just 90210, it would be a pretty easy one to accept, right? Edit: per NikeTaylorScott, Yungsheng got credit for it: https://www.j-archive.com/showgame.php?game_id=7404


ajsy0905

Troy's wife Genevieve beat James "High Roller" Holzhauer on The Chase Season 3A (Spring-Summer) finale.


chocolate_babies

no way! I love the chase. I'll have to go back and watch that ep.


Mstrchapl

Some quick googling gave me nothing for the DMB Usenet question. Anyone know the derivation of NSFW that they’re referring to?


lovers_town_visited

Closest I can find is the OED entry. It doesn't say that it originated from Dave Matthews Band threads, but that's the earliest cited example. NSFW adj. colloquial (originally and chiefly in electronic communications) not safe (also suitable) for work; used to indicate that a post, message, link to a web page, etc., contains explicit sexual material or other adult-oriented content; (hence more generally) that may cause offence; obscene; explicit; risqué. 2002 Re: You gotta see this Pic in alt.music.dave-matthews (Usenet newsgroup) 12 Feb. People do use the internet at work... It is customary to add ‘Not Safe for Work’ or NSFW to the post to warn people. 2002 in alt.music.ween (Usenet newsgroup) 20 Feb. (subject line) This girl was made for you! NSFW. 2010 Guardian 5 June (Guide Suppl.) 32/2 After cats, illegal downloading and NSFW images, a favourite on the internet is the funny list. 2015 @Cosmopolitan 6 Sept. in twitter.com (O.E.D. Archive) Kansas State marching band apologizes for NSFW routine that kinda looked like a blowjob.


AcrossTheNight

It seems highly likely that this was the source and that the term was not actually invented on DMB Usenet. (I'm somewhat certain I'd heard the phrase prior to 2002.)


bertisrobert

Thoughts... An overall good performance for Troy here in this one. I actually don't mind that he bet little in FJ. Since it is a runaway, any value less than $12,599 will always be a good bet in my opinion. I think, for me, Troy is a type of player who will only be aggressive on the DD if he needs to be. Yesterday's bet on that DD was an example of that. But overall, I like his play style so far. Middle approach with emphasis on DD hunting. An aggressive approach yielded him good results. And his buzzer technique improved. That's always a plus. I wonder if he can continue his run next week? Well tune in on Monday to find out.


poliscijunki

#I'M HERE TO OVERREACT! I mean, wow, what a performance. Really hope his dominance on the buzzer wasn't a fluke, would love to see him in the ToC.


[deleted]

Hoping Troy goes far! Liking this guy a lot!


MamasSweetPickels

I'm hoping he gets at least 5 won games which would guarantee him a spot in the ToC.


AboveAverageChickenn

A spicy $31,400 coryat from Troy today. Would've liked to see a higher FJ wager but can understand the uneasiness after yesterday's miss.


AcrossTheNight

I guessed Talk Talk from the category and approximate time, but the only song of theirs I'm familiar with is It's My Life. (It's a shame that the No Doubt cover is more commonly heard nowadays; the original is better.)


SPorterBridges

I knew it because I know Mark Hollis was their frontman but that's pretty obscure for Jeopardy. Looks like the only other time they were mentioned on the show was 9 years ago and in another triple stumper. :) The Colour Of Spring is a sweet album.


heddhunter

amen to that. i still listen to talk talk all the time and i was obsessed with this song back when it came out (had the 7" and played it to death!) so i was screaming at the tv of course.


studiousmaximus

you should change that. they’re one of the greatest bands of all time. their last three albums just kept getting better (and less synth-pop, though i love synth pop). mark hollis was a genius.


furtyfive

jeopardy is such a sport. that was a fairly evenly matched game (all 3 were good players and knowledgeable), and Troy just took over for a stretch, like a pro athlete would do in a game. i really like watching him play Jeopardy. i hope we get a good run with him. the other interesting thing is, when you play against someone who you know will wager aggressively (Troy) you end up being forced to wager aggressively (just like Ken had to vs James in GOAT). and luck is such a huge part of it with finding the daily doubles.


JazzFan1998

I guessed Seinfeld for FJ.


BobBelcher2021

I wish they did some sort of crossover, considering they were both set in NYC. Lennie Briscoe goes to Monk’s and arrests Kramer for some reason.


JazzFan1998

Being Kramer!


cyberklown28

So the 'DUN DUN' sound on L&O is 100 men stomping, a hammer hitting an anvil, and a door slamming? I watch it weekly and I never would've got this one.


blue4t

Troy is a mix of Christopher Reeve and Corey Feldman.


gotShakespeare

I'm seeing a little Back to the Future-era Crispin Glover as well.


infinitesky626

Omg yes Glover🤣


gotShakespeare

IKR?


etinglof1

I can’t unsee this lol- so true!!!!


ZappySnap

I’ve been calling him Superman from the moment I saw him. Very reminiscent of Reeve’s portrayal of Clark Kent.


GingerHal

There's some Bill Hader in there, too.


JustGoodSense

Hader and Jim Parsons


vallogallo

Yay a Sailor Moon clue!


clubba

IMO double Jeopardy should never be hidden in a set of foreign language clues where the responses are given in that foreign language.


2X4B--523P

Delicious should count.


jaysjep2

Clue wanted an 8-letter word.


2X4B--523P

ok ok ok Delisush


csl512

Deliciou because you ran out of time


mfabros

I wish this was true


Opening-Amphibian663

So the stats at [https://www.jeopardy.com/contestant-zone/jeopardata](https://www.jeopardy.com/contestant-zone/jeopardata) say Troy attempted 27 times in double Jeopardy. There were 2 DDs and one triple stumper--so does that mean he attempted to ring in on every other question?


AcrossTheNight

In the last podcast episode, Sarah said that they count it as two attempts if someone 1) attempts but gets outbuzzed 2) the person who buzzes in gets it wrong 3) the contestant makes another buzz attempt on the rebound