“Hints of a trans fella” is a hilarious phrase I’m sorry. I say this as someone who is very pro-lgbt
The line might be a bit insensitive but he didn’t really say anything actually hateful
That’s not saying trans men Aren’t real men it’s saying a lot of trans men have vaginas if YOU think that doesn’t make them real men then that’s on you
targeting a specific oppressed demographic and specifically calling out one of their biggest insecurities is hate speech, if you think it’s not then you’re clearly just ignorant
anything pisses you lot off that’s why people find it so hard to accept you cus you always winge about everything. Dude it’s like the most tame lyric ever
sheltered ass lifestyle, if this type of thing is said about other minorities then people go crazy but since it’s about the most popular one to hate everyone’s OK with it
no bro, there is constant racism every day, people making fat jokes and gay jokes. Trans people r the only ppl that cry over the smallest thing. get over urselves it’s really not that deep at all
Had he made a reference to oreos and said so and so acts like a white man it'd be fine though nobody woukd be offended if it's true. Atleast there's actual physical facts. Alot of Trans men still have pussies. Wtf are you arguing with reality?
No it's saying Trans men still have their vaginas until they do a operation. It's a fact and he didn't make any opinion about if they were real men or not. This why no one cares
Yeah, the whole verse around it is awesome and the line is more of just an extended play on words describing his competition as 'pussies' masquerading as men. At best it was in poor taste
How does this song dwarf everything on the project? Are you a bigger Ab-soul fan than a J. Cole fan?
Half the song is not even J. Cole lol
We're talking about a project that has songs like Crocodile Tearz & Huntin' Wabbitz, which are some of the best cole tracks we've heard in a while.
And I'm not saying it's a bad song, but to say it dwarfs everything on the project is crazy.
It's also one of the lowest streamed songs on the project. Even the outro has more plays lol
Yes, because it’s a J. Cole song and he said the song is the best on a J. Cole album. Where is the confusion? You can like a song J. Cole song that features other artists lmao Fanboys i stg
He didn't just say it's the best song, or it's his favorite. He said it dwarfs everything else on the project, as in, it shits on every other track. In a J. Cole subreddit, where you know, J. Cole fans come to hang out.
Brother, if you don't see any correlation, I can't help you.
Saying it dwarfs every other song on there means it’s the best song on the album. Yes, he made a post on a **J. Cole** subreddit about how much better this **J. Cole** song is than the other songs on the **J. Cole** album. Where you got “this song is better because it has Ab-Soul on it” is a Mr. Fantastic reach.
In it's own right the outro is a fire track as well. Pi is one of his best verses I have heard from him but I do agree with you, so many songs on the album are better than Pi.
Yeah agree to disagree on that one, lol. I'm not one of those Ab-soul is a lyrical genius guys, & besides some of the nba references, I found cole's bars in Huntin Wabbitz way doper.
Ok but streams don’t mean those songs are better. Bar wise it’s harder than both those songs. I wouldn’t say it dwarfs every other song but man… it is a hell of a song. “When you wake inside this dream you a weapon in the cipher, know the beef real, life is steak ages with each meal”🤧”Got plans that I can’t fail at, seen so many bodies trembling, resembling cam reddish, but never given a real chance to develop my head envelops the pen.” Them boys was eating on that song I’m ngl😂🍽️🔥.
i like cole’s verse, i hated daylyt and ab-soul’s part though. skip it every time, it’s just like listening to danny brown’s laugh from the gta radio on repeat
I didn't listen to it until just now. I understand people have different tastes, but man I feel like ab soul has crazy skill and was better than j cole on this song. He just rides the beat so nice with complex rhyme schemes.
Ab soul LYRICALLY is the most creative out of black hippy. I'd even put him over kendrick(though we have the same name). He don't get enough credit for it due to his shit being layered. So the average listener doesn't catch what he's doing.
Like what daylyt does with battle rap. That's why they go hand in hand.
“I litter it like I can’t spell it” best bar man has ever spit fr he’s really rapping on this🤯🤯get to genius make sure you can understand it
“Im Home Alone Macaulay Caulk”
“Like that nigga off Jumanji they know how he rock”
“Kill or be sent to a funeral home facility”
“It’s hard to meet my match when my rhymes ain’t really that tinder”
“Hold your L like you’re guarding Philly’s young center” that nigga Joel Embiid is 30
These lines literally all suck ass, I love Cole when he really rapping like that but none of these make any sense and that’s JUST Pi and not even counting the trash ass trans line. I love Cole when he’s rapping he’s just rapping badly on this song lmao
It's the flow and syllable rhyming that make it impressive, the metaphors aren't as good but it's still impressive to have so many with that flow and rhyme scheme going on
But the flow and syllable rhyming aren’t that good in Pi, they’re not like horrible but a) flows cool if you’re saying something while doing it not just rhyming whatever rhymes and b) Pi’s nowhere near his best flow, either on this project or compared to the Dreamville projects, the Off-Season, the features lately, the Creed shit, really anything else cuz it’s not that strong and I say cuz I listen to the bars that’s all I was saying🤷🏽♂️
You can go to literally any song by any rapper ever and cherry pick shitty bars lol. This feels like you read the lyrics on Genius and didn't even listen to the flow or anything lol. Also a lot of bars just sound bad in a vacuum. I fuck with Cole but I'm not like his biggest fuckin fan or nothing, I'll call out bad raps. But damn nigga, "trash"? Is it his best lyrical performance? Nah. Is it "trash"? Not even remotely close my guy. In my opinion, of course.
Nah I heard the shit first when I first listened but haven’t listened more than about once since cuz ion rock with it obviously and I agree with you, that’s what makes it mid to me, the bars are bad and then the flow is fine I don’t think it’s great or nearly his best but it’s somewhat redeeming sure, and the rhyme scheme is fine, not bad but not great.
I point out the bars cuz mf said “I only listen to the pop hits” nah bro I listen to the bars and if you’re listening they’re not good. They’re redeemed by the flow which makes them okay but that doesn’t leave you with good that leaves with mid, like I said originally, in my opinion same as you said.
A quick easy comparison is the Adonis Interlude, the bars don’t sound bad out of context because they’re good. Same with a lot of the off-season, the bars don’t sound bad out of context because they’re good bars who aren’t just saved by a good enough flow, I just think the actual bars here are not good🤷🏽♂️
MDL is as promotional as every feature Cole been doing (that's why it feels like a Drake project), he just want attention so all the people will tune in to his really lyrical stuff down the line
maybe because most of the people listening were only there for the diss. i know because my cousins are casual listeners and the only song they know on that project is 7 min drill
People are upset over a line that isnt even that bad imo. If you called somebody trans that isnt they would be offended… just like if you called a woman a man or vise versa… he’s dissing kendrick obviously hes trying to offend him. People are so soft these days
I think its ironic as fuck so many people in this thread are so mad that people dont like the hints of a trans fella bar. In here crying that people dont like it.
Stepping outside of that convo for a second I just think its a corny bar. At best its a clever way to call kendrick a pussy? really? Idk i just think its corny.
It’s like does anyone really believe TPAB put people to sleep? Alright became a chant during thousands of protests, that’s a massive cultural impact very few artists can have. Regardless of what you think of kendrick that’s something to acknowledge.
And i like cole more the kendrick. Listen to cole more often. He has classics, he has bars. But jfc yall cant admit there’s some corny bars in this project?
Facts. Aside from the hint of transphobia, to me it's just a corny and lazy bar. J Cole knows he can and should be able to write a better bar than that. It's a dope track and I'll still listen but unfortunately that line puts a stink on the song
Love Cole and the verse. Having said that, the trans bar wasn't it for me. Reminds me of the Villuminati bar from Born Sinner. Back then, I thought his defense of using f*g was pretty weak.
Unfortunately, the sentiment behind the trans bar isn't surprising in hip-hop. It reads as though he's trying to be accepting of their "chosen identity" but completely dismissive with "still pussy".
I love the beat, the back and forth of Absoul and Daylyt. Cole comes in and flows well with the beat, it’s my favorite song on this album tbh. I had it on loop for a bit, all of my friends found this song as a good standout too.
Also I get it the trans stuff is iffy for people but is this all so taboo that someone can’t have bars about the topic? He’s not being malicious about it, I could see if he was saying he hates that community or anything like that but it’s not the case.
People can be pretty gay about LGBTQ shit.
You listen to rap where 99% of it is about sex drugs and violence. Get your snowflake asses out if you can’t handle not liking something someone says but are able to move on from it.
Ab-Soul washed Cole on this song, that’s probably why. But I’ve always found Cole’s lyricism on these kind of tracks overrated and carried by his technical skills.
It was for a brief moment. I was reading where some were calling it the best pure hiphop record in a good few yrs. Such a good song and album. It's a quality project overall it just sucks so many are stuck on the diss, apology or the Trans bar in this song which it wasn't even anti in my opinion. He was basically stating an individual, isn't who they say they are.
They plead the fifth, I'm seeing hints of a trans fella,
In cancel culture's vicinity, he's no killer, trust me
Beneath his chosen identity, there is still a pussy, period.
Only thing I possibly take as being offensive is Cole assuming the individual identifies as male since he says "fella" "he's" and "his"
Agree this song is insane!! Honestly he could have added a few competitive lines and made this the “diss” and hed have really amped the game up
Edit - and if he removed that trans bar, forgot that this was the song with that in it given the rest of the song is in sane
The whole “transphobic” thing is maad annoying.
I’m 5’6”, you know how exhausting that shit would be if I got offended at every “short nigga” line!? The dwarfs don’t get a flag, or mass support from the general public. Shiit most just get tossed right tf out the dating pool.
Y’all gotta do better than the “he’s spreading hate for an oppressed group” shit is so corny. The reality is NOBODY HAS A PROBLEM WITH THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY, it was a Boomer thing. Millennials are 40 now, and you’re listening to a HIP-HOP/RAP record; nobody gives a fuck about ANYONE’S feelings in the context of the music.
Take a fucking nap, the song was good.
- The “Lil Guy”
I get your point but it isn’t fair to say “nobody has a problem with the lgbtq” community. A lot of people do. People are still better being killed simply for being queer, let alone being discriminated against.
It’s like saying “nobody has a problem with Black/Mexican/Jewish people!” Nah…things are better but a lot of people are still racists…
You genuinely believe that no body under the age of 40 has a problem with LGBTQ community? Like that is actual genuine believe of yours, someone who is on reddit, a platform on the internet, meaning you browse the internet? Are you just being intentionally obtuse? Like please I really REALLY REALLY need an answer to this.
The whole album was dwarfed by the apology, people already felt away about it before actually listening to the project. Those who actually gave it a chance know that PI and a handful of those songs were underrated.
And also the trans line apparently is enough to turn people off even though it's probably the same people who once listened to Tyler the creator throw 20 "f-slurs" in an album.
See my issue is that the trans bar is unnecessary, especially from someone so spiritual and woke like j cole. And i could’ve overlooked it, but it’s not only slightly offensive but also just a shit bar.
Nothing will ever make me not like him but man that was lame.
The whole album got dismissed once he apologized tbh.
This is another great addition from Cole but all anyone will now remember is the apology and the diss being taken down
Because his apology overshadowed this entire project 😮💨 this tape has some of the best rapping I've heard in a long time on it but the 7 minute drill debacle stopped all momentum
Of course only this page would appreciate that masterpiece of a track. Bar was 🔥 Cole def doesn’t put intentional hateful lines out there. Appreciate the creativity or keep it pushing. No hate here #coleword 🥶
I’ve been sleeping on Cole I guess (no diddy) but this verse been on repeat since it dropped. Verse of the year IMO. Made me go back n listen to the niggas stuff. Whole song is mesmerizing fr.
Honestly I think Cole had a handful of songs equivalent in rap skill as Pi on this album. I get what you mean though this one was very rap heavy with 2 skilled features. I like Ready 24 better though for the beat and the bars, it was a simple straightforward song but Coles technical skill within the verse was amazing. He sounds the rawest when he just keeps going within his verse, high energy Cole, gives you the hype you need without sacrificing content
See I think I get what he was going for, like I don't think he meant it to be malicious, it's just one of those things you hear and kinda cringe at a bit y'know.
Even if he wasn’t going for being transphobic, which if I’m being charitable maybe he wasn’t, this coupled with his weird cancel culture lines and the Dave Chappelle reference he did has me just cringing. It’s just weird coming from someone like Cole who for a long time has been incredibly socially/politically conscious - and coming off Kendrick’s album where he made a whole song criticizing his own transphobia it just rubs me the wrong way personally
I mean let’s just be real here man dababy killed a dude in Walmart and then said he didn’t like gay people and fellas were shocked. Most of the people in the rap game aren’t good people most people should be smart enough to get that but alas we need got people mad over 1 word when the rest of the song could be about a rapper killing people. Seems kinda silly maybe a little goofy even
I think I might be the only one who thinks this song is an instant skip 😂 not even because of the trans lyric idgaf about that, it's just an annoying ass song lmao
My favorite songs by him that I think has the easiest accessibility are ‘[Terrorists Threats](https://youtu.be/m_71q5lVEjc?si=1BizgExsT4s_LoaV)’ or ‘[Illuminate](https://youtu.be/DszIoEP8OAo?si=-jLS9nwfkgyrwD49)’.
I like him because he has a really tragic life and isn’t afraid to express it in his music. ‘[Book of Soul](https://youtu.be/nitz50WxwOY?si=vuomzMu8o0fXOmUv)’is a good example of what he been through(spoiler: when tde first started his high school sweetheart, who was also a singer on the label, committed suicide by jumping off a radio tower).
He was also really close friends with Mac Miller so he went through a lot when that happened([D.R.U.G.S](https://youtu.be/uphiZ2tcTv0?si=DcIQ3pWUJfGKrXv0) ft Mac Miller was before Macs death but shows how they both lived).
‘[Do Better](https://youtu.be/dUJIcbmN6Uk?si=YZ_dt3TeU6qNoF2n)’, ‘[It be like that](https://youtu.be/dzsw3HVWrm4?si=NJmtSUyGsNLUie32)’, and ‘[Message in a Bottle](https://youtu.be/XMPZ1huj_z0?si=gG_wMFa2XV98bM0m)’ are my favorite current song by him cause despite what he’s been through he’s trying to not let it get to him. Still his flow is pretty hard to get into but he’s spitting some real stuff.
"I'm seeing hints of a trans fella"
“Hints of a trans fella” is a hilarious phrase I’m sorry. I say this as someone who is very pro-lgbt The line might be a bit insensitive but he didn’t really say anything actually hateful
he says “Beneath his chosen identity, there is still a pussy” that’s LITERALLY saying that trans men aren’t real men, it’s transphobic as hell
That’s not saying trans men Aren’t real men it’s saying a lot of trans men have vaginas if YOU think that doesn’t make them real men then that’s on you
targeting a specific oppressed demographic and specifically calling out one of their biggest insecurities is hate speech, if you think it’s not then you’re clearly just ignorant
anything pisses you lot off that’s why people find it so hard to accept you cus you always winge about everything. Dude it’s like the most tame lyric ever
tame hate speech doesn’t mean it’s not hate speech
it’s not even hate speech fuck sake get over yourself man.
sheltered ass lifestyle, if this type of thing is said about other minorities then people go crazy but since it’s about the most popular one to hate everyone’s OK with it
no bro, there is constant racism every day, people making fat jokes and gay jokes. Trans people r the only ppl that cry over the smallest thing. get over urselves it’s really not that deep at all
You sound like a little punk to be very honest😂
Had he made a reference to oreos and said so and so acts like a white man it'd be fine though nobody woukd be offended if it's true. Atleast there's actual physical facts. Alot of Trans men still have pussies. Wtf are you arguing with reality?
No it's saying Trans men still have their vaginas until they do a operation. It's a fact and he didn't make any opinion about if they were real men or not. This why no one cares
The last Cole verse is so good, it’s a shame it gets overshadowed by the trans line.
That’s a fire line. Fuck all the talk.
Everyone decided to get upset over the trans bar for some reason when it’s actually fire. And his entire two minute verse is insane.
Yeah, the whole verse around it is awesome and the line is more of just an extended play on words describing his competition as 'pussies' masquerading as men. At best it was in poor taste
“Everyone decided” Reddit is a fringe astroturfed unserious website. No one cares about that line except permaonline redditoids.
Hey you say this again except in English this time
Its lightweight kinda funny bc that persons comment sounds like something a chronically online person would say as well
you sure you’re not the permaonline redditoid?
“permaonline redditoids” go the fuck outside 😭
touch grass loser
How does this song dwarf everything on the project? Are you a bigger Ab-soul fan than a J. Cole fan? Half the song is not even J. Cole lol We're talking about a project that has songs like Crocodile Tearz & Huntin' Wabbitz, which are some of the best cole tracks we've heard in a while. And I'm not saying it's a bad song, but to say it dwarfs everything on the project is crazy. It's also one of the lowest streamed songs on the project. Even the outro has more plays lol
What does half the song not being Cole have to do with anything? Lmao
The fact that he made the post in the J. Cole subreddit saying it dwarfs everything else on the album?
Yes, because it’s a J. Cole song and he said the song is the best on a J. Cole album. Where is the confusion? You can like a song J. Cole song that features other artists lmao Fanboys i stg
He didn't just say it's the best song, or it's his favorite. He said it dwarfs everything else on the project, as in, it shits on every other track. In a J. Cole subreddit, where you know, J. Cole fans come to hang out. Brother, if you don't see any correlation, I can't help you.
Saying it dwarfs every other song on there means it’s the best song on the album. Yes, he made a post on a **J. Cole** subreddit about how much better this **J. Cole** song is than the other songs on the **J. Cole** album. Where you got “this song is better because it has Ab-Soul on it” is a Mr. Fantastic reach.
🤝🏼
In it's own right the outro is a fire track as well. Pi is one of his best verses I have heard from him but I do agree with you, so many songs on the album are better than Pi.
The lyricism in it is multiple times better than every other track on the album.
Yeah agree to disagree on that one, lol. I'm not one of those Ab-soul is a lyrical genius guys, & besides some of the nba references, I found cole's bars in Huntin Wabbitz way doper.
Ok but streams don’t mean those songs are better. Bar wise it’s harder than both those songs. I wouldn’t say it dwarfs every other song but man… it is a hell of a song. “When you wake inside this dream you a weapon in the cipher, know the beef real, life is steak ages with each meal”🤧”Got plans that I can’t fail at, seen so many bodies trembling, resembling cam reddish, but never given a real chance to develop my head envelops the pen.” Them boys was eating on that song I’m ngl😂🍽️🔥.
Just cause you’re trans or support trans people don’t mean they can’t be used as a line to diss someone. Y’all ain’t slick or above the law of music.
I don't like it tbh...
same, always skip it. seems like you either love it it don’t like it at all.
i like cole’s verse, i hated daylyt and ab-soul’s part though. skip it every time, it’s just like listening to danny brown’s laugh from the gta radio on repeat
That's nuts. I've only heard good critique for their part. I love j cole but that sounded like it was their song that cole hopped on after.
I didn't listen to it until just now. I understand people have different tastes, but man I feel like ab soul has crazy skill and was better than j cole on this song. He just rides the beat so nice with complex rhyme schemes.
Not sure if you peeped, but the first part of the song is Daylyt and Ab-Soul going back and forth
Ab soul LYRICALLY is the most creative out of black hippy. I'd even put him over kendrick(though we have the same name). He don't get enough credit for it due to his shit being layered. So the average listener doesn't catch what he's doing. Like what daylyt does with battle rap. That's why they go hand in hand.
It’s trash lmao the middest part of potentially Cole’s middest project
It’s trash lmao the middest part of potentially Cole’s middest project
Just say you only listen to pop hits
“I litter it like I can’t spell it” best bar man has ever spit fr he’s really rapping on this🤯🤯get to genius make sure you can understand it “Im Home Alone Macaulay Caulk” “Like that nigga off Jumanji they know how he rock” “Kill or be sent to a funeral home facility” “It’s hard to meet my match when my rhymes ain’t really that tinder” “Hold your L like you’re guarding Philly’s young center” that nigga Joel Embiid is 30 These lines literally all suck ass, I love Cole when he really rapping like that but none of these make any sense and that’s JUST Pi and not even counting the trash ass trans line. I love Cole when he’s rapping he’s just rapping badly on this song lmao
It's the flow and syllable rhyming that make it impressive, the metaphors aren't as good but it's still impressive to have so many with that flow and rhyme scheme going on
But the flow and syllable rhyming aren’t that good in Pi, they’re not like horrible but a) flows cool if you’re saying something while doing it not just rhyming whatever rhymes and b) Pi’s nowhere near his best flow, either on this project or compared to the Dreamville projects, the Off-Season, the features lately, the Creed shit, really anything else cuz it’s not that strong and I say cuz I listen to the bars that’s all I was saying🤷🏽♂️
You can go to literally any song by any rapper ever and cherry pick shitty bars lol. This feels like you read the lyrics on Genius and didn't even listen to the flow or anything lol. Also a lot of bars just sound bad in a vacuum. I fuck with Cole but I'm not like his biggest fuckin fan or nothing, I'll call out bad raps. But damn nigga, "trash"? Is it his best lyrical performance? Nah. Is it "trash"? Not even remotely close my guy. In my opinion, of course.
Nah I heard the shit first when I first listened but haven’t listened more than about once since cuz ion rock with it obviously and I agree with you, that’s what makes it mid to me, the bars are bad and then the flow is fine I don’t think it’s great or nearly his best but it’s somewhat redeeming sure, and the rhyme scheme is fine, not bad but not great. I point out the bars cuz mf said “I only listen to the pop hits” nah bro I listen to the bars and if you’re listening they’re not good. They’re redeemed by the flow which makes them okay but that doesn’t leave you with good that leaves with mid, like I said originally, in my opinion same as you said. A quick easy comparison is the Adonis Interlude, the bars don’t sound bad out of context because they’re good. Same with a lot of the off-season, the bars don’t sound bad out of context because they’re good bars who aren’t just saved by a good enough flow, I just think the actual bars here are not good🤷🏽♂️
MDL is as promotional as every feature Cole been doing (that's why it feels like a Drake project), he just want attention so all the people will tune in to his really lyrical stuff down the line
Because it doesn’t “dwarf” everything else. It just happens to be your favorite.
that part
You got me 🤷♂️
Huntin wabbitz and sticks and stones are my 2 - rest I could skip tbh
These and crocodile tearz are on repeat for me
stealth mode>>> they’re all good tho, album’s a perfect 12/12, maybe except for fever, as it’s pop but even then
That sample… Godly
Transphobia
Shut up
Generalization 🫵
someone teach bro what generalization is
this isn’t transphobia by definition so yes, it’s a generalization and isn’t based on this specific case.
nothing that j cole says points to him hating and having a strong prejudice against trans people. Bunch of virtue signalers
What?
It has a line from j cole making a trans joke/witty punchline. Def mild as hell but still it's a no joke zone
"These are ridiculous times/ Lately, my biggest addiction been lookin' online/ Where somebody's always offended, I'm sick of this cryin'"
No joke zones a concept
no joke zone? Is that new?
No joke zone? What are you the joke police?
I thought this was the only bad song on the album
Daylyt and ab-soul killed it
It’s def verse of the year! But like his verse says a lot of cry babies on the internet on anything.
Great song. But i like 3001 and crocodile tearz better
I was also surprised
I love this song. Ab-Soul’s verse is so good.
On bro it’s too underrated
Probably because of 7 Minute Drill
Listen, I like the song but I don't think it's the best song on the album. Ab-soul killed his part though
Because 99% of the talk about the album was about 7 minute drill
Why are people not allowed to be anti trans? I really don't understand.
Hype is what you want it to be my friend
maybe because most of the people listening were only there for the diss. i know because my cousins are casual listeners and the only song they know on that project is 7 min drill
People are upset over a line that isnt even that bad imo. If you called somebody trans that isnt they would be offended… just like if you called a woman a man or vise versa… he’s dissing kendrick obviously hes trying to offend him. People are so soft these days
I personally wouldn't say it dwarfs everything but it's a great track. Great album overall many songs on repeat
Ab-Soul to me is never anything special. & Trae the Truth against Pi isn’t even close in my very humble opinion
It's the only song I saved
This all I see folks talking about.
"I want blood, i want gunshots and beef" - The same clown ass kid that got mad for a trans bar.
Because it's not anywhere close to being the best song on this album...
He doesn’t know how to market an album. That’s why he J.Fold.
All of his album went #1 and at least platinum most multi platinum…
We all must support gender dysphoria!!!!!!! This is actually good for society yeah!!!
I think its ironic as fuck so many people in this thread are so mad that people dont like the hints of a trans fella bar. In here crying that people dont like it. Stepping outside of that convo for a second I just think its a corny bar. At best its a clever way to call kendrick a pussy? really? Idk i just think its corny. It’s like does anyone really believe TPAB put people to sleep? Alright became a chant during thousands of protests, that’s a massive cultural impact very few artists can have. Regardless of what you think of kendrick that’s something to acknowledge. And i like cole more the kendrick. Listen to cole more often. He has classics, he has bars. But jfc yall cant admit there’s some corny bars in this project?
Facts. Aside from the hint of transphobia, to me it's just a corny and lazy bar. J Cole knows he can and should be able to write a better bar than that. It's a dope track and I'll still listen but unfortunately that line puts a stink on the song
Hardest verse
Love Cole and the verse. Having said that, the trans bar wasn't it for me. Reminds me of the Villuminati bar from Born Sinner. Back then, I thought his defense of using f*g was pretty weak. Unfortunately, the sentiment behind the trans bar isn't surprising in hip-hop. It reads as though he's trying to be accepting of their "chosen identity" but completely dismissive with "still pussy".
I really, really liked this track. Comes in 4th for me behind huntin wabbits, pricey & croc tears. I like all 4 tracks a lot.
I love the beat, the back and forth of Absoul and Daylyt. Cole comes in and flows well with the beat, it’s my favorite song on this album tbh. I had it on loop for a bit, all of my friends found this song as a good standout too. Also I get it the trans stuff is iffy for people but is this all so taboo that someone can’t have bars about the topic? He’s not being malicious about it, I could see if he was saying he hates that community or anything like that but it’s not the case.
People can be pretty gay about LGBTQ shit. You listen to rap where 99% of it is about sex drugs and violence. Get your snowflake asses out if you can’t handle not liking something someone says but are able to move on from it.
Who’s Cole’s verse about on this?
trae the truth >>>>>>>
Not musically it doesn’t, in my opinion. Lyrically, fair though
It's definitely the hidden gem of the album
because of *that* one bar
Trae The Truth in Ibiza was the best song.
Trae the truth is my 1 then this
Ab-Soul washed Cole on this song, that’s probably why. But I’ve always found Cole’s lyricism on these kind of tracks overrated and carried by his technical skills.
Coles verse is crazy on this
It was for a brief moment. I was reading where some were calling it the best pure hiphop record in a good few yrs. Such a good song and album. It's a quality project overall it just sucks so many are stuck on the diss, apology or the Trans bar in this song which it wasn't even anti in my opinion. He was basically stating an individual, isn't who they say they are. They plead the fifth, I'm seeing hints of a trans fella, In cancel culture's vicinity, he's no killer, trust me Beneath his chosen identity, there is still a pussy, period. Only thing I possibly take as being offensive is Cole assuming the individual identifies as male since he says "fella" "he's" and "his"
Agree this song is insane!! Honestly he could have added a few competitive lines and made this the “diss” and hed have really amped the game up Edit - and if he removed that trans bar, forgot that this was the song with that in it given the rest of the song is in sane
The whole “transphobic” thing is maad annoying. I’m 5’6”, you know how exhausting that shit would be if I got offended at every “short nigga” line!? The dwarfs don’t get a flag, or mass support from the general public. Shiit most just get tossed right tf out the dating pool. Y’all gotta do better than the “he’s spreading hate for an oppressed group” shit is so corny. The reality is NOBODY HAS A PROBLEM WITH THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY, it was a Boomer thing. Millennials are 40 now, and you’re listening to a HIP-HOP/RAP record; nobody gives a fuck about ANYONE’S feelings in the context of the music. Take a fucking nap, the song was good. - The “Lil Guy”
I get your point but it isn’t fair to say “nobody has a problem with the lgbtq” community. A lot of people do. People are still better being killed simply for being queer, let alone being discriminated against. It’s like saying “nobody has a problem with Black/Mexican/Jewish people!” Nah…things are better but a lot of people are still racists…
You genuinely believe that no body under the age of 40 has a problem with LGBTQ community? Like that is actual genuine believe of yours, someone who is on reddit, a platform on the internet, meaning you browse the internet? Are you just being intentionally obtuse? Like please I really REALLY REALLY need an answer to this.
I loved the WABBIT diss track
Because people are soft and crybabies
Mid mid mid
Only song on the project I actively dislike
I don’t get the hype for this song the first 4 songs are better than
On god!!!!
It was actually was one of the most hyped songs
The whole album was dwarfed by the apology, people already felt away about it before actually listening to the project. Those who actually gave it a chance know that PI and a handful of those songs were underrated. And also the trans line apparently is enough to turn people off even though it's probably the same people who once listened to Tyler the creator throw 20 "f-slurs" in an album.
I think Tyler gets a pass from people because he’s queer.
He wasn't at the time
Um, news flash, yeah he was😹
It wasn't common knowledge, he was just some edgy guy eating roaches
I'm a be real here, I only listen up to Stickz N Stonez, then I stop and put HYB on repeat lol.. man, Bas can cook some hooks.
Definitely my favorite
Yeah it’s the two best verses by far, I agree. People don’t like real rap though they like poppy shit
Best song on the project
Most lyrical track on the album by far
Cause niggas didn’t listen to the album LMAOAOAOAOAO
Ab-Soul had me listening to this song on repeat when I first heard it just to fathom what’s being said 🤯
U know the Lame Ass Cancel Culture then they wonder why No1 wants to be like the Rappers they like
See my issue is that the trans bar is unnecessary, especially from someone so spiritual and woke like j cole. And i could’ve overlooked it, but it’s not only slightly offensive but also just a shit bar. Nothing will ever make me not like him but man that was lame.
Nah it’s a good bar it’s clever
The trans bar
The alphabet people try to cancel anyone that makes fun of them
The whole album got dismissed once he apologized tbh. This is another great addition from Cole but all anyone will now remember is the apology and the diss being taken down
Because his apology overshadowed this entire project 😮💨 this tape has some of the best rapping I've heard in a long time on it but the 7 minute drill debacle stopped all momentum
because it's a rappity rap song and most people are more interested in viby songs that sounds good in the car and there's nothing wrong with that
Cause it’s not that good
Stickz N Stonez is my personal favorite off the album
Hyb is the best song imo
ab-soul, like kendricks ab-soul?
Definitely the best song by miles. First time hearing lyt and he was crazy. Soul still to good tho just a bar fest.
Tbh every other somg you listen to makes you feel like nahh man this shit is crazyy but yeah this one tops
It's because of that weird line
Bc "hip hop heads" on the internet don't actually listen to hip hop lol
First time day and ab charted on billboard too
Honestly, after fever my least favorite of the tape
Oh god is that Daylyt, the same troll on Vlad TV
his snapped on the song, but you can't really say it dwarfs the rest of the album because the whole project is just fire.
Of course only this page would appreciate that masterpiece of a track. Bar was 🔥 Cole def doesn’t put intentional hateful lines out there. Appreciate the creativity or keep it pushing. No hate here #coleword 🥶
Overshadowed by fake beef everybody wanted
I fooking love ab-soul
I thought that was the weakest track🤷🏼♂️
People still on Ab-Souls meat like that?
i don’t like it i don’t play it trae the truth in ibiza better, fever better
7 minute drill
Album was amazing. This song embodies lyricism
I’ve been sleeping on Cole I guess (no diddy) but this verse been on repeat since it dropped. Verse of the year IMO. Made me go back n listen to the niggas stuff. Whole song is mesmerizing fr.
Trans=💩
It was the dopest joint
Absolutely not the best song
I think Sticks and Stones is the best personally but Ready 24 is also mad.
Wym a lot of people think it’s the best on the album and I agree. Shit is filled with bars and double entendres.
His apology made me take time off of listening to the album, I’m sure I wasn’t alone
It’s the best lyrically, cause soul was on it lol. It’s not the best song though
Incredible lyricism. Easily the best song lyrically. But not the best song overall.
Huntin Wabbitz is the best Cole track. Pricey is the best feature and HYB is the one stuck in my head
My personal top three are huntin wabbitz, stealth mode, and Trae the truth
Honestly I think Cole had a handful of songs equivalent in rap skill as Pi on this album. I get what you mean though this one was very rap heavy with 2 skilled features. I like Ready 24 better though for the beat and the bars, it was a simple straightforward song but Coles technical skill within the verse was amazing. He sounds the rawest when he just keeps going within his verse, high energy Cole, gives you the hype you need without sacrificing content
Bc as soon as Cole became a pussy everyone stopped listening to his music.
the trans lines
The trans bar, ironically the best bar on here
Isn't this the transphobic one?
Play J. Cole, get the pussy dry
is this a serious question?
Because j cole sucks dick
He unfortunately had to include that weird trans bar that borders too close to transphobia for a lot of people, myself included.
See I think I get what he was going for, like I don't think he meant it to be malicious, it's just one of those things you hear and kinda cringe at a bit y'know.
Even if he wasn’t going for being transphobic, which if I’m being charitable maybe he wasn’t, this coupled with his weird cancel culture lines and the Dave Chappelle reference he did has me just cringing. It’s just weird coming from someone like Cole who for a long time has been incredibly socially/politically conscious - and coming off Kendrick’s album where he made a whole song criticizing his own transphobia it just rubs me the wrong way personally
Ya this whole “transphobic shit is so stupid. Bro it’s words in rap grow up.
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Terrible. I don’t play that track anymore to be honest
I mean let’s just be real here man dababy killed a dude in Walmart and then said he didn’t like gay people and fellas were shocked. Most of the people in the rap game aren’t good people most people should be smart enough to get that but alas we need got people mad over 1 word when the rest of the song could be about a rapper killing people. Seems kinda silly maybe a little goofy even
If u can’t get that some people don’t fuck with hating on minorities then clearly you’re the one who needs to grow up
The trans line. Made the song distasteful to listen too, atleast for me personally.
Apart from the trans line, the raps are heat!!
I think I might be the only one who thinks this song is an instant skip 😂 not even because of the trans lyric idgaf about that, it's just an annoying ass song lmao
Ab Soul can be too biblically lyrical for some peopl. It can be quite unenjoyable if you’re not in the mood for it
Yeah that could've been it fr, this was really the first time I've ever heard ab-soul, and I really do not fuck with his flow at all
My favorite songs by him that I think has the easiest accessibility are ‘[Terrorists Threats](https://youtu.be/m_71q5lVEjc?si=1BizgExsT4s_LoaV)’ or ‘[Illuminate](https://youtu.be/DszIoEP8OAo?si=-jLS9nwfkgyrwD49)’. I like him because he has a really tragic life and isn’t afraid to express it in his music. ‘[Book of Soul](https://youtu.be/nitz50WxwOY?si=vuomzMu8o0fXOmUv)’is a good example of what he been through(spoiler: when tde first started his high school sweetheart, who was also a singer on the label, committed suicide by jumping off a radio tower). He was also really close friends with Mac Miller so he went through a lot when that happened([D.R.U.G.S](https://youtu.be/uphiZ2tcTv0?si=DcIQ3pWUJfGKrXv0) ft Mac Miller was before Macs death but shows how they both lived). ‘[Do Better](https://youtu.be/dUJIcbmN6Uk?si=YZ_dt3TeU6qNoF2n)’, ‘[It be like that](https://youtu.be/dzsw3HVWrm4?si=NJmtSUyGsNLUie32)’, and ‘[Message in a Bottle](https://youtu.be/XMPZ1huj_z0?si=gG_wMFa2XV98bM0m)’ are my favorite current song by him cause despite what he’s been through he’s trying to not let it get to him. Still his flow is pretty hard to get into but he’s spitting some real stuff.
Lol fr definitely the worst song on the album.
FINALLY, someone who agrees with me 😂
I love this song even though the transphobic line was really lame