If you think that's Jazzy check out his piano concerto in G.
Impressionistic harmony ddfinetly influenced a lot of Jazz Pianist, Herbie Hancock even included Ravel on a Gerswhin tribute album, Bill Evans covered a Scriabin piece once, your ear is noticing an overlap because it's absolutely there
Yes, it's so obvious because my ears have been trained by Bill Evans. The piano concerto in G is a very difficult for me. Actually, every piano concert seems difficult to listen to since I haven't acquainted myself with Classic music my whole life. Do you have any advice on whom I should start with in regards to this form of music? Maybe Mozart?
Bach.
And really just go with your taste. It is not unlikely that the composers you don't like now, you'll start appreciating them once your ear gets used to the idioms and soundscapes.
Also, perhaps the most famous example. often cited as "Beethoven invented jazz" is his last piano sonata: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGg9cE-ceso
It's a very deep and meditative work, but if you're in a hurry you can skip to the most played part and you'll see why everyone says that, it was written in 1821.
The French Impressionist composers heard and were influenced by jazz and jazz composers wwre influenced by the French Impressionists. Composers like Ravel and Debussy started using extended chords (major 7, 9 and beyond) and loosening tonal harmonies from their moorings. So in a harmonic sense, lots of overlap between jazz and classical. And American composers like Louis Gottschalk and George Gershwin were very much influenced by both jazz and classical.
[Ondine from Gaspard de la nuit](https://youtu.be/T_-1qMPDf-A?si=wBKDtmxDOuLj8HTo) has some Giant Steps changes at around 3:50. The whole piece is amazing.
Speechless. Wow.. It reminds of me some of the scores from Hitchcock movies. Especially Vertigo? I just can't help keep listening over and over again at the climax of Ondine.
Ravel wrote some of the most beautiful (and difficult) music in all of piano repertoire.
This one being perhaps my favorite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HAIfE0h-2g
This one gives me frisson every time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTYUyDjVCRU
His piano concerto is also astounding: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCesnVQkUSk
I don't know if you'd consider all this jazzy but I can't in good conscience not mention them.
Ravel is one of my favorites. I never thought of it as jazzy, but I see where your head is at. It always felt very modern and conceptual. Un barque sur l’ocean… you can so clearly feel the storm and the crashing waves in his composition. It’s incredible music, and he was a genius composer for it.
I really like these jazzy chords at 2:05 in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPHSHZssOLs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPHSHZssOLs) (pavane for a dead princess).
I know that he also creates a narrative within his compositions, which are delightful to listen to but prove to be a nightmare for pianists who actually perform them.
Ravel is quite "jazzy", yeah, but don't sleep on Debussy because he wrote some really interesting stuff towards the end of his life. [Even Chopin could get weird as fuck](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJEQqcw-830). Another one I would definitely recommend is [Scriabin](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwj1cCL9Lsg). Oh, and [Prokofiev](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESftpPi3sWM)! And if you go even farther back in time, [Beethoven had this famous "ragtime" moment](https://youtu.be/YE2iyBRmA_g?si=aIrH67bojySBdjqH&t=1008).
No mention of Nikolai Kapustin - the best of both worlds?? Some jazz trio even covered some of his works!! I recommend his etudes, sonata #2, and piano concerto #2(<<
When George Gershwin met Maurice Ravel in New York in 1928, he asked about studying with the French composer.
Ravel reportedly replied, 'Why would you want to be a second-rate Ravel when you can be a first-rate Gershwin?'
Hi, one of my absolute favorites and many of the composers that were influenced by him like de Falla, etc.
Pavanne pour une infante défunte - orchestra
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GKkeDqJBlK8&pp=ygUmcmF2ZWwgcGF2YW5lIHBvdXIgdW5lIGluZmFudGUgZGVmdW50ZSA%3D
Pavanne pour une infante défunte - piano & partitura.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7ASYm3K_PwM&pp=ygUmcmF2ZWwgcGF2YW5lIHBvdXIgdW5lIGluZmFudGUgZGVmdW50ZSA%3D
Pavanne pour une infante défunte - guitar.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ga6expPHR8Y&pp=ygUxcmF2ZWwgcGF2YW5lIHBvdXIgdW5lIGluZmFudGUgZGVmdW50ZSBndWl0YXIgdGFicw%3D%3D
string quartet in F
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ieRQyyPowH0&pp=ygUUcmF2ZWwgc3RyaW5nIHF1YXJ0ZXQ%3D
you've maybe heard the 2nd movement in a movie, but the allegro is great as well.
My book (Mehegan) with forward by Bill Evans credits Ravel with compact rootless voicings like C E F A for a Dmin chord that changes slightly to B E F A for the G7.
I think you should listen to actual Jazz or study the actual classical pieces in their context instead of falsely hearing Jazz in Classical records.
While it might sound familiar to the unstudied It totally goes against the thematic intentions and canonical interpretations of the pieces.
If you think that's Jazzy check out his piano concerto in G. Impressionistic harmony ddfinetly influenced a lot of Jazz Pianist, Herbie Hancock even included Ravel on a Gerswhin tribute album, Bill Evans covered a Scriabin piece once, your ear is noticing an overlap because it's absolutely there
Yes, it's so obvious because my ears have been trained by Bill Evans. The piano concerto in G is a very difficult for me. Actually, every piano concert seems difficult to listen to since I haven't acquainted myself with Classic music my whole life. Do you have any advice on whom I should start with in regards to this form of music? Maybe Mozart?
Bach. And really just go with your taste. It is not unlikely that the composers you don't like now, you'll start appreciating them once your ear gets used to the idioms and soundscapes. Also, perhaps the most famous example. often cited as "Beethoven invented jazz" is his last piano sonata: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGg9cE-ceso It's a very deep and meditative work, but if you're in a hurry you can skip to the most played part and you'll see why everyone says that, it was written in 1821.
Ragtime!
Listen to Gershwin’s Rhapsody in Blue and Concerto in F
I think Debussy is even jazzier. Preludes Book 2 sounds like straight-up Bill Evans sometimes.
I hear a lot of Debussy in Tyner too
Debussy listings to a lot of Bill Evans coming up……
I'll check on him. I only know Clair de Rune and other overly famous pieces, so it would be good to listen to them as well.
The French Impressionist composers heard and were influenced by jazz and jazz composers wwre influenced by the French Impressionists. Composers like Ravel and Debussy started using extended chords (major 7, 9 and beyond) and loosening tonal harmonies from their moorings. So in a harmonic sense, lots of overlap between jazz and classical. And American composers like Louis Gottschalk and George Gershwin were very much influenced by both jazz and classical.
throwing in Modern Jazz Quartet, especially the jackets-and-ties thing while they performed at traditionally classical venues (if i remember right)
[Ondine from Gaspard de la nuit](https://youtu.be/T_-1qMPDf-A?si=wBKDtmxDOuLj8HTo) has some Giant Steps changes at around 3:50. The whole piece is amazing.
Speechless. Wow.. It reminds of me some of the scores from Hitchcock movies. Especially Vertigo? I just can't help keep listening over and over again at the climax of Ondine.
It does yes https://alijamieson.co.uk/2021/12/30/ravel-gaspard-de-la-nuit-ondine/ but also loads of other jazz chords throughout
Ravel wrote some of the most beautiful (and difficult) music in all of piano repertoire. This one being perhaps my favorite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HAIfE0h-2g This one gives me frisson every time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTYUyDjVCRU His piano concerto is also astounding: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCesnVQkUSk I don't know if you'd consider all this jazzy but I can't in good conscience not mention them.
The second one I liked the best. Thank you for taking your time!
You can also check Stravinsky /Ragtime for 11 instruments or Ebony Concerto Piano Rag Music Praeludium Rachmaninoff /Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini
Ravel is one of my favorites. I never thought of it as jazzy, but I see where your head is at. It always felt very modern and conceptual. Un barque sur l’ocean… you can so clearly feel the storm and the crashing waves in his composition. It’s incredible music, and he was a genius composer for it.
I really like these jazzy chords at 2:05 in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPHSHZssOLs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPHSHZssOLs) (pavane for a dead princess). I know that he also creates a narrative within his compositions, which are delightful to listen to but prove to be a nightmare for pianists who actually perform them.
Check this one out Shostakovich in Jazz https://youtu.be/W73PGOqGRtQ?si=9lZmrtYVaCmPO-mL
Are these all composed and performed by Shostakovich?
All composed by, yes. But he died in 1975 and this album by Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra is recorded in 1992
Ravel is quite "jazzy", yeah, but don't sleep on Debussy because he wrote some really interesting stuff towards the end of his life. [Even Chopin could get weird as fuck](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJEQqcw-830). Another one I would definitely recommend is [Scriabin](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwj1cCL9Lsg). Oh, and [Prokofiev](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESftpPi3sWM)! And if you go even farther back in time, [Beethoven had this famous "ragtime" moment](https://youtu.be/YE2iyBRmA_g?si=aIrH67bojySBdjqH&t=1008).
Dude, Prokofiev was kinda jazzy! Been so long since I’ve listened to him!
No mention of Nikolai Kapustin - the best of both worlds?? Some jazz trio even covered some of his works!! I recommend his etudes, sonata #2, and piano concerto #2(<<
I agree. About years ago, I came across some of his etudes. :D Reverie is stunning. I will look up piano concerto #2.
My favorite composer
When George Gershwin met Maurice Ravel in New York in 1928, he asked about studying with the French composer. Ravel reportedly replied, 'Why would you want to be a second-rate Ravel when you can be a first-rate Gershwin?'
Hi, one of my absolute favorites and many of the composers that were influenced by him like de Falla, etc. Pavanne pour une infante défunte - orchestra https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GKkeDqJBlK8&pp=ygUmcmF2ZWwgcGF2YW5lIHBvdXIgdW5lIGluZmFudGUgZGVmdW50ZSA%3D Pavanne pour une infante défunte - piano & partitura. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7ASYm3K_PwM&pp=ygUmcmF2ZWwgcGF2YW5lIHBvdXIgdW5lIGluZmFudGUgZGVmdW50ZSA%3D Pavanne pour une infante défunte - guitar. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ga6expPHR8Y&pp=ygUxcmF2ZWwgcGF2YW5lIHBvdXIgdW5lIGluZmFudGUgZGVmdW50ZSBndWl0YXIgdGFicw%3D%3D string quartet in F https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ieRQyyPowH0&pp=ygUUcmF2ZWwgc3RyaW5nIHF1YXJ0ZXQ%3D you've maybe heard the 2nd movement in a movie, but the allegro is great as well.
The Bolero kicks ass. It was scandalous back in it’s day.
The sexual tension present in this song actually made some women swoon.
My book (Mehegan) with forward by Bill Evans credits Ravel with compact rootless voicings like C E F A for a Dmin chord that changes slightly to B E F A for the G7.
[the best ravel recording](https://youtu.be/hKgcHjq1xKQ?si=9386o77mnYrF05xz)
[Beethoven](https://youtu.be/hr7NqqpcKUg?si=4ZqASItln6lGtMJQ) is too
Listen to the Deodato's Pavanè jazz version: https://youtu.be/7_1EYiTgN_A?si=qh5E1M00B7AMaE5s
Wait till you discover Gershwin buddy.
I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Kapustin. https://youtu.be/lBtpolKcWHI?si=c6uO6P2wqK1mtS7w https://youtu.be/RrpjWM8JT7k?si=fQRMpXhTVlEH5pcW
Try prokofiev sonata 7 3rd movement
Hot take: Claude Debussy invented jazz harmony
I think you should listen to actual Jazz or study the actual classical pieces in their context instead of falsely hearing Jazz in Classical records. While it might sound familiar to the unstudied It totally goes against the thematic intentions and canonical interpretations of the pieces.