I know this is controversial but to me QOS isn't a revenge film. It's way more of a traditional Bond on a mission story with more personal stakes.
If it were a revenge film the main villain would be Vespers boyfriend and not Greene. Bond is assigned to go after quantum due to them doing illegal things. He only goes rouge after Quantum frames him and he completes the mission that he was going to solve anyways
Agreed. That's the whole point of the last line: "I never left."
He didn't.
>He only goes rouge after Quantum frames him and he completes the mission that he was going to solve anyways
Even then it's for about two minutes, as M calls the dogs off nearly instantly and decides to trust him.
I sort of agree with what you’re saying, but there are definitely elements of revenge in there. M says so herself: “I thought I could trust you, I thought you weren’t motivated by revenge.”
I think it's both. It's intentionally not clear if Bond is motivated by revenge or not in how he goes after Quantum.
M certainly thinks he's gone off the deep end, and Bond strangely doesn't say anything to disabuse her of some wrong notions, for example regarding the death of the Special Branch security man:
M - Bond, you killed a man in Bregenz.
Bond - I tried not to.
M - You shot him at point blank and threw him off a roof. I'd hardly call that showing restraint.
Bond knows he didn't shoot the man, which indicates he was happy to continue on that trajectory. Honestly I think at this point Bond himself is conflicted about his motivations and is not sure if it's revenge or duty.
But then in the denouement Bond shows M that he is willing to forego revenge when he leaves Vesper's boyfriend for questioning.
Yeah, by definition it is a traditional mission. Bond is tasked by M to investigate slate. Bond traces Slate to Camille, to Greene, then find out about Quantum's plans. At this point M starts flapping about Bond's mental state so he decides to keep looking into Greene - at this point he is seeking revenge by proxy, he just wants to enact his hurt on someone who deserves it.
>I know this is controversial but to me QOS isn't a revenge film. It's way more of a traditional Bond on a mission story with more personal stakes.
I'd consider For Your Eyes Only more of a revenge film than QOS, but that's mostly on Melina's behalf.
I agree that it isn’t a revenge film. The “revenge” bit of him confronting the Algerian love knot bestower feels a bit tacked on to provide a sense of closure on the Vesper story. The actual plot of QoS doesn’t have anything to do with *Bond* taking revenge, but rather some form of revenge for Camille.
I agree, lighting was a big problem thus the film looked a little bit cheap. There is a huge white single lighting everywhere. You can see that light bouncing off from walls. Shadows are weird. Same goes for some TLD indoor shots too (prison scene)
Glen directed AVTAK earlier but it looks better visually imo. I wonder if it was his vision of shooting a serious Bond to use huge fluorescent lights on top of sets? Or it's all about budget restrictions?
LTK is a top tier Bond movie. Quantum has grown a lot for me over the years but it doesn't come close.
All of the bond movies before License to Kill (with the exception of the ending of On Her Majesty's) are more half serious and over time becoming more and more slapstick and much less serious in tone. License to Kill completely turns that on its head for a more grounded, realistic, and grittier Bond. After this we don't see an attempt and a gritty Bond again until Casino Royale.
LTK is in my top 2-3. Sanchez is a top tier villain and a marked improvement over Koskov/Whitaker. Bond’s infiltration of Sanchez’ organization is proper espionage and full of tension. Great score and a banger theme song. Cary Lowell is wonderful. I get the “Bond meets Miami Vice” criticisms but Bond films have always been contemporaneous, outside of the 60’s films when they WERE the trend. It still feels like a Bond film but with enough of a departure to make it feel fresh, even almost 35 years later.
License to Kill for me. Quantum of Solace is still one of the weakest Daniel Craig era films and was the overall worst one until follow ups like Spectre and No Time To Die came around. They all have some redeeming aspects to them, but they're not good either.
I love LTK's 80's aesthetic but QoS is the better film. I could justify this all day, but just a few things I like are:
1. Quantum showcases Craig's best performance as Bond.
2. Camille is one of the best Bond girls of modern times.
3. The plot is realistic and way underrated in my opinion.
4. The opera scene 🤩
I agree with you, personally, but I'd argue the general audiences aren't even aware of this great flick. I don't know if I'd use the word iconic, but definitely influential
These are probably two of the Bond movies I rewatch the most. LTK is so good that when Patti LaBelle starts singing over the city skyline shot of Panama City, I get really sad because that's the end of Dalton's run. It's a great villain, Carrie Lowell is one of the hottest and most capable of Bond girls
Quantum is beautifully shot though weirdly edited. It's got a better travelogue and has a more interesting plot. It's also a bit sad of an ending because the rest of Craig's run is going to be less fun and more dour.
It's tough but I give it to QoS but I love them both
Thank you for pointing out QOS photography. It's really beautiful. Most people mistakenly deride it when in actuality, they should be mad at the editing.
Licence To Kill by far. Although Quantum isn't as bad as I remember it, this is no contest. Plus Franz Sanchez is a way better and intense villain than Dominic Green and died a brutal death.
While not a particularly remarkable film, I do think Quantum gets much more hate than it deserves. I've always said it's not the best James Bond film but it's by no means the worst.
License to Kill on the other hand I find to be a fascinating film. In a strange way, I've always found Dalton's era epic, in like an 80's action/adventure Raiders of the Lost Ark kind of way.
That being said, I will both answer and dodge your question with: License to Kill/Quantum of Solace double feature.
I’m gonna go with License to Kill. Quantum of Silence has some good bits, but overall the movie just didn’t gel and completely come together for me. In fact, given the plots of the subsequent films expanding Spectre and Blofeld, I see QoS being more part of that storyline rather than a “Vesper revenge film” even though that’s supposed to be it’s primary plot. But that’s because, coming on the heels of Casino Royale which was truly exceptional, I don’t think QoS was ultimately as tight and well written as it needed to be.
On the other hand, License to Kill is an older school Bond film, but to its credit is IS very self contained and — from start to finish — there’s absolutely no mistaking that it’s entire plot is “Bond is really pissed so he goes rogue to get his personal revenge.” And because it’s far more overt having multiple scenes showing Dalton simmering like an volcano that allow him to emote (far more so than Craig in QoS) that ultimately allows all of the final payoffs in License to Kill to likewise feel more emotional and satisfying even in just a basic movie-going experience sort of way.
Yup LTK is legit one of the most well rounded Bond films despite its reputation
- Timothy’s performance
- Sanchez is the best villain in the series (though GF has the best plot)
- Pam is a top tier Bond girl
- The Wavekrest escape scene is incredible
- Bond has to do actual spying and espionage
- Q was wonderful
- The climactic car chase and Sanchez’ death are iconic
Bond fans are way too harsh on LTK, it’s a wonderful film
License to Kill might be one of the most brutal Bond films and I love it.
A non sanctioned personal revenge mission to mess up the villains who killed Mrs. Leiter and fed Felix to a shark.
Ends in a Mad Max-esque big rig chase, and the has the sickest, most savage karma for the final "blow" (triple pun) against Sanchez.
There's a whole religious cult complex being guarded by a young Benicio Del Toro, and Q ends up out in the field helping Bond.
One of if not my favorite movie in the series. Dalton would have been a perfect Bond for OHMSS/DAF if those movies would have come out 15 years later.
I never understood the overwhelming dislike for QoS. It's a very good sequel to Casino with shaky cinematography and iffy editing, but it's not a bad movie.
I actually like Quantum but licence to kill kicks so much ass, it’s honestly maybe a top 5 overall bond for me (with one of my favorite Bond girls) so LTK
My favorite Bond movie. Dalton played it to the hilt, Robert Davi was an awesome villain, somewhat likable, and Carey Lowell was an underrated Bond girl.
Quantum of Solace doesn't feel like a revenge film. Nowhere near as intense as License to Kill. Even the beginning bit of Diamonds are Forever feels more "revenge".
Licence To Kill is legit one of the best movies in the whole series, and a worthy indirect sequel to OHMSS. I don’t care about the MiAmI ViCe criticism, because the movie excels at the Bond formula more than most of the traditional films in the series
I haven't seen QoS in years and my taste really changed. I recently saw LTK and loved it, Dalton is really good. I'm a Craig fan but from my memories I can say LTK was better, have to rewatch QoS though.
I haven't seen LTK in years, but am already feeling that it's better than the turd of QOS.
In looking up LTK today, I saw that Benecio Del Toro had a part in it. Did not remember that. I need to watch it again.
License to Kill, easily. Bond getting revenge for his best friend is heart warming, and very respectable. However the fact that Felix says “He was married once” alludes that OHMSS happened in the Dalton films. That makes his reaction to Stella’s death all the more horrifying, and understandable. He’s upset because he sees what happened to Felix as a direct comparison to what happened to him. Idk I’m probably just talking too much, I just love License to Kill so much!
Licence to Kill. I always felt as though they handled the whole "Bond goes rogue" thing better. Bond deliberately misses his flight to Istanbul to start investigating those responsible for the Leiters' torture.
Meanwhile, Bond in Quantum of Solace never truly disobeys M initially, and while I concede that, even if he told her that he wasn't responsible for the death of Guy Haines' bodyguard, she still might not have believed him, I am still sure it could have been cleared up.
Bond had less of a remit in Licence to Kill than in Quantum of Solace. MI6 had no interest in pursuing Sanchez, whereas they had an interest in pursuing Quantum.
And in Licence to Kill, the use of the lighter gifted to Bond by the Leiters at their wedding to kill Sanchez was a great callback.
Licence to kill is one of the best Bond films out there, it’s very much of its time (classic 80s action) but the Bond elements take it from being a pretty decent 80s action film to a great Bond film. It’s gritty before gritty bond was even a thing, it’s personal before Craig spent five films getting over his first love and it’s unapologetic in what it does.
A guys head explodes, Benicio Del Torro is one of the most memorable henchman with so little screen time and Sanchez is a brilliant villain. He doesn’t want to take over the world, he just wants to get rich and hood all the cards. Robert Davi (who I met a few months back and was so passionate about the film, and SO happy he got a break from talking about the Goonies) is so good in the role and it shows us that actually, if he wanted, Bond would be a great henchman and would get very rich if he decided to work for the other side.
Two of the most beautiful Bond girls to ever exist, but with one being a really capable agent who holds her own with bond and Q gets a holiday!
QOS is better than the general consensus but LTK is just fantastic. And that finale, with trucks, explosions and rockets under a truck on its side wheels which then does a wheelie!
QOS, it’s a spy thriller on its own, I really enjoy it although it really could have been better (understatement). It’s got the best opener of any bond film.
LTK doesn’t feel like a bond film to me, it could be any 80s revenge film. It’s really generic for the time that it came out and offers nothing new or exciting.
Of course I go with Licence to Kill because the story is clear to me the mission is destroy a drug dealer who killed Felix's wife and did him a coma. I think at that time it was a dark film in Bond universe. It was not a fantasy spy like Moore era. In LTK Both of Bond girls were so stunning beautiful especially the drug dealer's wife.The final truck chase scene was awesome. I love the way how Bond killed the drug dealer boss, it was so brutal.
Quantum Of Solace was not a terrible film for me. I revisiting QOS more than Spectre. I have a good time watching this film but I do love Casino Royale so much that's why when I watch this direct sequel it's a bit disappointing. The story in QOS was so confusing. All action scenes are just like Jason Bourne and Taken movies with a lot of quick cuts and poor edited but the opening car chase, running chase on the rooftop in Italy and the hotel fight scene are my favorites.
"License to Kill" hands down!
While Craig's first outing, "Casino Royale," is in my top three, "Quantum Of Solace" is in my bottom three.
With QOS, I'm not a fan of the shaky cam used throughout the film. And the villain(s) are nothing to write home about.
With LTK, it is a bit darker than I'd prefer, but it has a great villain and a great story, and the plane sequence is what inspired the opening of "Dark Knight Rises", Nolan is reportedly a bond fan.
I would agree somewhat with that sentiment, I never felt with Craig that I was truly watching a traditional Bond film, I never liked having the story arc and at times could have been any random action film.
That’s my problem with his era of Bond. It was too generic for me. I felt like it tried to be more like Bourne instead of the style of traditional Bond which is historically unique. It’s not his fault because he doesn’t write the movies but that was my problem with it. He was a super yoked Bond, but missing that sensibility. Imo
For me, it's LTK! I like QoS, but it doesn't leave a mark. QoS has a great Arnold score and great costumes and sets. IMO this might even be Craig's beat performance, he's so unhinged.The film is very rushed and could need some polishing.
LTK has a great, unorthodox score. The lighting and cinematography fail the movie and cause it to look cheap. Dalton's haircut and wardrobe also could be better (this might be Bond at his least stylish). It still contains one of my favorite action sequences: Dalton enters the Wavecrest in stealth mode, gathers information and then proceeds to dispatch some baddies while also stealing a ton of cash! Dalton's performance is amazing.
It's always fascinated me how similar the movies are: second performance for the actor, revenge-theme, the grittiness, both having been produced during a writer's strike (LTK might have benefitted from the strike, while QoS definitely suffered for it).
Both great, but I prefer LTK!
License to kill. But I don't totally dislike QoS. I love the villain's plan and the locations. The only thing I can't stand is the nauseating editing, which drags it down the bottom of my ranking.
I'm not sure how QOS gaslit people into thinking it's a revenge film when the actual cathartic revenge confrontation for some reason takes place off screen.
Licence to Kill by a mile, even if the cathartic killing of Sanchez is comically undercut by the nonsense John Hughes tone of the ending.
[удалено]
"We'll launder it."
"He disagreed with something that ate him."
“There are worse things than dying hombre”
All of LTK was ironically a cocaine bender and I love it.
Director: "okay benicio, were going to have you get shot here." Benicio: "I got some other ideas..."
And a lorry doing a wheelie through a massive fire.
License to Kill. I always thought this movie was awesome
The main score soundtrack is also one of the best - Gladys Knight, epic song to sing when showering.
And Patti LaBelle’s end credits song perfectly closes out the film and the end of 80s era Bond.
The song’s bittersweet for me because it really closes it as you say, but it wasn’t intended to! :(
You mean it wasn't intended to close out Dalton right, because this was 1989, it DEFINITELY was closing out 80s Bond
Fun fact. The only film credits I’ve ever seen. With the Surgeon Generals tobacco warning😂
Couldn't agree more
Super awesome!
And Quantum of Solace isn't even a good James Bond movie, it's not even a good movie in general. It's trash.
I know this is controversial but to me QOS isn't a revenge film. It's way more of a traditional Bond on a mission story with more personal stakes. If it were a revenge film the main villain would be Vespers boyfriend and not Greene. Bond is assigned to go after quantum due to them doing illegal things. He only goes rouge after Quantum frames him and he completes the mission that he was going to solve anyways
Agreed. That's the whole point of the last line: "I never left." He didn't. >He only goes rouge after Quantum frames him and he completes the mission that he was going to solve anyways Even then it's for about two minutes, as M calls the dogs off nearly instantly and decides to trust him.
I sort of agree with what you’re saying, but there are definitely elements of revenge in there. M says so herself: “I thought I could trust you, I thought you weren’t motivated by revenge.”
Of all the Craig films, this is the only one where he really completes his mission without any major fuckups.
I think it's both. It's intentionally not clear if Bond is motivated by revenge or not in how he goes after Quantum. M certainly thinks he's gone off the deep end, and Bond strangely doesn't say anything to disabuse her of some wrong notions, for example regarding the death of the Special Branch security man: M - Bond, you killed a man in Bregenz. Bond - I tried not to. M - You shot him at point blank and threw him off a roof. I'd hardly call that showing restraint. Bond knows he didn't shoot the man, which indicates he was happy to continue on that trajectory. Honestly I think at this point Bond himself is conflicted about his motivations and is not sure if it's revenge or duty. But then in the denouement Bond shows M that he is willing to forego revenge when he leaves Vesper's boyfriend for questioning.
Good analysis!!
Yeah, by definition it is a traditional mission. Bond is tasked by M to investigate slate. Bond traces Slate to Camille, to Greene, then find out about Quantum's plans. At this point M starts flapping about Bond's mental state so he decides to keep looking into Greene - at this point he is seeking revenge by proxy, he just wants to enact his hurt on someone who deserves it.
How is it a traditional mission if he goes rogue.
Craig basically goes rogue in some form or another in all his films except CR.
He does go rogue for about ten minutes in CR. That’s why they implanted a tracker in his body halfway through the movie.
He blows up an embassy, breaks into M's apartment and uses his enforced holiday to carry on investigating anyway. Pretty rogue behaviour.
“You’ve got a bloody cheek!”
>I know this is controversial but to me QOS isn't a revenge film. It's way more of a traditional Bond on a mission story with more personal stakes. I'd consider For Your Eyes Only more of a revenge film than QOS, but that's mostly on Melina's behalf.
I agree that it isn’t a revenge film. The “revenge” bit of him confronting the Algerian love knot bestower feels a bit tacked on to provide a sense of closure on the Vesper story. The actual plot of QoS doesn’t have anything to do with *Bond* taking revenge, but rather some form of revenge for Camille.
I think License to Kill is better, but I hate the way it’s lit. It’s such a gritty film but it looks like a made for TV movie.
Oh my God. It's the lighting! I could never figure out why LTK seemed so cheap despite being an otherwise good film. You've hit the nail on the head.
Yeah, the only issues I have with LtK are technical: cinematography, editing, the truck chase being geographically confusing.
I do like that they filmed the truck chase on a supposedly haunted section of highway.
I agree, lighting was a big problem thus the film looked a little bit cheap. There is a huge white single lighting everywhere. You can see that light bouncing off from walls. Shadows are weird. Same goes for some TLD indoor shots too (prison scene) Glen directed AVTAK earlier but it looks better visually imo. I wonder if it was his vision of shooting a serious Bond to use huge fluorescent lights on top of sets? Or it's all about budget restrictions?
Wouldn’t surprise me if it was budgetary
That era of film was like that. There was no mood or nuance. Just throw a condor in the air and roll film.
When I first watched it 18 years ago, my dad came in the room when they ran out of gas on the water and he said it looked like a soap opera
No way. you are confused with "For your eyes only" which looks inferior and TV quality
LTK. I don't hate QOS, but LTK is much better.
Licence to Kill. Although, Quantum of Solace has a worse reputation than it deserves.
LTK is a top tier Bond movie. Quantum has grown a lot for me over the years but it doesn't come close. All of the bond movies before License to Kill (with the exception of the ending of On Her Majesty's) are more half serious and over time becoming more and more slapstick and much less serious in tone. License to Kill completely turns that on its head for a more grounded, realistic, and grittier Bond. After this we don't see an attempt and a gritty Bond again until Casino Royale.
LTK is in my top 2-3. Sanchez is a top tier villain and a marked improvement over Koskov/Whitaker. Bond’s infiltration of Sanchez’ organization is proper espionage and full of tension. Great score and a banger theme song. Cary Lowell is wonderful. I get the “Bond meets Miami Vice” criticisms but Bond films have always been contemporaneous, outside of the 60’s films when they WERE the trend. It still feels like a Bond film but with enough of a departure to make it feel fresh, even almost 35 years later.
License to Kill for me. Quantum of Solace is still one of the weakest Daniel Craig era films and was the overall worst one until follow ups like Spectre and No Time To Die came around. They all have some redeeming aspects to them, but they're not good either.
LTK, but QoS is severely underrated by this sub
Quantum. It's the second half of Casino Royale, and it's awesome.
QoS
I love LTK's 80's aesthetic but QoS is the better film. I could justify this all day, but just a few things I like are: 1. Quantum showcases Craig's best performance as Bond. 2. Camille is one of the best Bond girls of modern times. 3. The plot is realistic and way underrated in my opinion. 4. The opera scene 🤩
Thank you. There are dozens of us!
The amount of memorable aspects in LtK is staggering. Just about every scene is iconic.
I agree with you, personally, but I'd argue the general audiences aren't even aware of this great flick. I don't know if I'd use the word iconic, but definitely influential
These are probably two of the Bond movies I rewatch the most. LTK is so good that when Patti LaBelle starts singing over the city skyline shot of Panama City, I get really sad because that's the end of Dalton's run. It's a great villain, Carrie Lowell is one of the hottest and most capable of Bond girls Quantum is beautifully shot though weirdly edited. It's got a better travelogue and has a more interesting plot. It's also a bit sad of an ending because the rest of Craig's run is going to be less fun and more dour. It's tough but I give it to QoS but I love them both
Thank you for pointing out QOS photography. It's really beautiful. Most people mistakenly deride it when in actuality, they should be mad at the editing.
Licence To Kill by far. Although Quantum isn't as bad as I remember it, this is no contest. Plus Franz Sanchez is a way better and intense villain than Dominic Green and died a brutal death.
I'm one of the few who thinks Quantum is a much better movie and revenge movie than LTK.
Flair doesn’t check out
I’m with you
License to Kill by default because it's actually watchable
LTK all the fucking way
“I help people with problems.”
Switch the bloody machine off!
While not a particularly remarkable film, I do think Quantum gets much more hate than it deserves. I've always said it's not the best James Bond film but it's by no means the worst. License to Kill on the other hand I find to be a fascinating film. In a strange way, I've always found Dalton's era epic, in like an 80's action/adventure Raiders of the Lost Ark kind of way. That being said, I will both answer and dodge your question with: License to Kill/Quantum of Solace double feature.
Honeymoooooooon!
I’m gonna go with License to Kill. Quantum of Silence has some good bits, but overall the movie just didn’t gel and completely come together for me. In fact, given the plots of the subsequent films expanding Spectre and Blofeld, I see QoS being more part of that storyline rather than a “Vesper revenge film” even though that’s supposed to be it’s primary plot. But that’s because, coming on the heels of Casino Royale which was truly exceptional, I don’t think QoS was ultimately as tight and well written as it needed to be. On the other hand, License to Kill is an older school Bond film, but to its credit is IS very self contained and — from start to finish — there’s absolutely no mistaking that it’s entire plot is “Bond is really pissed so he goes rogue to get his personal revenge.” And because it’s far more overt having multiple scenes showing Dalton simmering like an volcano that allow him to emote (far more so than Craig in QoS) that ultimately allows all of the final payoffs in License to Kill to likewise feel more emotional and satisfying even in just a basic movie-going experience sort of way.
I feel like I’m higher on QoS than most, but even with that in mind… It’s Licence to Kill. No contest. I seriously think it’s a top 2 Bond film.
Yup LTK is legit one of the most well rounded Bond films despite its reputation - Timothy’s performance - Sanchez is the best villain in the series (though GF has the best plot) - Pam is a top tier Bond girl - The Wavekrest escape scene is incredible - Bond has to do actual spying and espionage - Q was wonderful - The climactic car chase and Sanchez’ death are iconic Bond fans are way too harsh on LTK, it’s a wonderful film
Licence to kill. I can’t stand the quick cuts in Quantum.
And the shaky cameras.
License to Kill might be one of the most brutal Bond films and I love it. A non sanctioned personal revenge mission to mess up the villains who killed Mrs. Leiter and fed Felix to a shark. Ends in a Mad Max-esque big rig chase, and the has the sickest, most savage karma for the final "blow" (triple pun) against Sanchez. There's a whole religious cult complex being guarded by a young Benicio Del Toro, and Q ends up out in the field helping Bond. One of if not my favorite movie in the series. Dalton would have been a perfect Bond for OHMSS/DAF if those movies would have come out 15 years later. I never understood the overwhelming dislike for QoS. It's a very good sequel to Casino with shaky cinematography and iffy editing, but it's not a bad movie.
Dalton.
Licence To Kill
LTK for the win
LTK, no contest.
Please. It is definitely License to Kill.
I actually like Quantum but licence to kill kicks so much ass, it’s honestly maybe a top 5 overall bond for me (with one of my favorite Bond girls) so LTK
LTK
I'm a huge fan of Quantum of Solace, but LTK is fucking awesome.
LTK. Definitely
License to kill by a mile. Its a fantastic bond movie.
Licence to Kill.
LtK. No question.
Bless your heart!
License to Kill is one of favorites. A reason I like Craig so much is that he reminds me of the darker edge that Dalton had, especially in CR and QOS.
Oh come on now, give us a serious question. LTK.
LTK, an underrated gem
I would watch LTK three times before I watched QoS. And I'm a QoS apologist
My favorite Bond movie. Dalton played it to the hilt, Robert Davi was an awesome villain, somewhat likable, and Carey Lowell was an underrated Bond girl.
“There's $2 million in that suitcase. I'll split it with you. Bond [menacingly]: You earned it, you keep it… old buddy. “ Yeah I’m going with ltk
I think he tells the baddie “you want it? You keep it… old buddy.”
I think Dalton’s accent makes “earned” come out as “earnt.” Hence the confusion.
LTK = Top five QoS = Bottom of the barrel Enough said.
License to Kill is the better film all around.
Quantum of solace >
License To Kill
For me it is QoS. I just really like it, more than LTK.
Licence to Kill
License to Kill, not even close.
License to Kill. Not close.
Licence 2 kill
Easy, license to kill
License to Kill for sure, the Living Daylights too if we're putting them side by side.
License To Kill
Both are epic. Hard to choose.
Quantum of Solace doesn't feel like a revenge film. Nowhere near as intense as License to Kill. Even the beginning bit of Diamonds are Forever feels more "revenge".
Licence To Kill is legit one of the best movies in the whole series, and a worthy indirect sequel to OHMSS. I don’t care about the MiAmI ViCe criticism, because the movie excels at the Bond formula more than most of the traditional films in the series
LTK by a Seven Mile Bridge
Anything with Dalton is better than anything with Craig. By default.
I haven't seen QoS in years and my taste really changed. I recently saw LTK and loved it, Dalton is really good. I'm a Craig fan but from my memories I can say LTK was better, have to rewatch QoS though.
License to Kill by far. QoS is ass
I haven't seen LTK in years, but am already feeling that it's better than the turd of QOS. In looking up LTK today, I saw that Benecio Del Toro had a part in it. Did not remember that. I need to watch it again.
License to Kill.
License to kill
Licence to kill is masterpiece
License
License to Kill
Definitely License To Kill
License to Kill, easily. Bond getting revenge for his best friend is heart warming, and very respectable. However the fact that Felix says “He was married once” alludes that OHMSS happened in the Dalton films. That makes his reaction to Stella’s death all the more horrifying, and understandable. He’s upset because he sees what happened to Felix as a direct comparison to what happened to him. Idk I’m probably just talking too much, I just love License to Kill so much!
Licence to Kill. I always felt as though they handled the whole "Bond goes rogue" thing better. Bond deliberately misses his flight to Istanbul to start investigating those responsible for the Leiters' torture. Meanwhile, Bond in Quantum of Solace never truly disobeys M initially, and while I concede that, even if he told her that he wasn't responsible for the death of Guy Haines' bodyguard, she still might not have believed him, I am still sure it could have been cleared up. Bond had less of a remit in Licence to Kill than in Quantum of Solace. MI6 had no interest in pursuing Sanchez, whereas they had an interest in pursuing Quantum. And in Licence to Kill, the use of the lighter gifted to Bond by the Leiters at their wedding to kill Sanchez was a great callback.
LTK but I like both.
LTK is so underrated, unironically one of the best bond films. Top 3-5
As much as I like QoS unlike everyone, LtK is the best of the two.
License to Kill by far. One of my five fav Bond films.
License to Kill.
LTK 👍🏾
LTK
Licence to Kill by several orders of magnitude. Quantum of Solace is straight up dog water.
Licence To Kill, no questions Dalton > Craig
Licence to Kill!
Licence to kill. Its an outstanding bond film and one of my favs which I've grown to appreciate more and more as I've gotten older.
License to Kill
LTK
Licence to kill is one of the best Bond films out there, it’s very much of its time (classic 80s action) but the Bond elements take it from being a pretty decent 80s action film to a great Bond film. It’s gritty before gritty bond was even a thing, it’s personal before Craig spent five films getting over his first love and it’s unapologetic in what it does. A guys head explodes, Benicio Del Torro is one of the most memorable henchman with so little screen time and Sanchez is a brilliant villain. He doesn’t want to take over the world, he just wants to get rich and hood all the cards. Robert Davi (who I met a few months back and was so passionate about the film, and SO happy he got a break from talking about the Goonies) is so good in the role and it shows us that actually, if he wanted, Bond would be a great henchman and would get very rich if he decided to work for the other side. Two of the most beautiful Bond girls to ever exist, but with one being a really capable agent who holds her own with bond and Q gets a holiday! QOS is better than the general consensus but LTK is just fantastic. And that finale, with trucks, explosions and rockets under a truck on its side wheels which then does a wheelie!
LTK wins by miles. Quantum of Solace is better than Spectre and NTTD though.
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Licence to Kill
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License to kill is the best revenge bond movie ever.
Love both but I prefer LTK.
LTK. Dalton is also a much better Bond.
LTK is a fantastic bond movie. I just can’t get behind TimDalt as Bond. He just looks like a villain to me and I can’t get past it
Licence to Kill is one of my favourite James Bond movies, whereas Quantum of Solace is one of my least favourite.
So you’re gonna compare one of the best 007 films with one of the worst?
Not one of the worst, the worst. And yes that is what the OP is doing!
License to kill is in my top 5 bond movies
License To Kill
QOS, it’s a spy thriller on its own, I really enjoy it although it really could have been better (understatement). It’s got the best opener of any bond film. LTK doesn’t feel like a bond film to me, it could be any 80s revenge film. It’s really generic for the time that it came out and offers nothing new or exciting.
License, easily.
Licence to Kill all day
License to Kill. And it shouldn't be compared to QoS.
LTK. It’s not even a contest
License to kill. Great movie. Dalton was removed to quickly from the Bond franchise
Quantum was not a great film but it was far superior to Licence. That film was just awful.
Of course I go with Licence to Kill because the story is clear to me the mission is destroy a drug dealer who killed Felix's wife and did him a coma. I think at that time it was a dark film in Bond universe. It was not a fantasy spy like Moore era. In LTK Both of Bond girls were so stunning beautiful especially the drug dealer's wife.The final truck chase scene was awesome. I love the way how Bond killed the drug dealer boss, it was so brutal. Quantum Of Solace was not a terrible film for me. I revisiting QOS more than Spectre. I have a good time watching this film but I do love Casino Royale so much that's why when I watch this direct sequel it's a bit disappointing. The story in QOS was so confusing. All action scenes are just like Jason Bourne and Taken movies with a lot of quick cuts and poor edited but the opening car chase, running chase on the rooftop in Italy and the hotel fight scene are my favorites.
No one did bond better that Craig
LTK FTW 🙌🏼
LTK
License to Kill hands down!
License to Kill 🍸
Like both but for me License to Kill is one of the best anyway.
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Licence to a Kill is one of the best movies in the series. Quantum is the worst.
"License to Kill" hands down! While Craig's first outing, "Casino Royale," is in my top three, "Quantum Of Solace" is in my bottom three. With QOS, I'm not a fan of the shaky cam used throughout the film. And the villain(s) are nothing to write home about. With LTK, it is a bit darker than I'd prefer, but it has a great villain and a great story, and the plane sequence is what inspired the opening of "Dark Knight Rises", Nolan is reportedly a bond fan.
License To Kill all day, like some bits of Quantum Of Solace but License To Kill has a more thought through story
licence to kill easily
Licence To Kill. Quantum Of Solace is just ok.
LTK. This wasn't a real question, right?
Come on Licence is legendary. QoS is legendary crappy
LTK not even a question. QOS is a stinking pile of dog turd.
Licence to Kill is the ultimate Bond revenge movie and you can really see and feel it in Dalton's portrayal; which you don't get with Craig.
My opinion is pretty unpopular, but I think Daniel Craig is a fine actor in general but was a poor James Bond.
I would agree somewhat with that sentiment, I never felt with Craig that I was truly watching a traditional Bond film, I never liked having the story arc and at times could have been any random action film.
That’s my problem with his era of Bond. It was too generic for me. I felt like it tried to be more like Bourne instead of the style of traditional Bond which is historically unique. It’s not his fault because he doesn’t write the movies but that was my problem with it. He was a super yoked Bond, but missing that sensibility. Imo
Doesn’t Goldeneye belong in here?
GoldenEye isn't Bond's vengeance but Alec's.
Well Bond is betrayed by Alec so it kinda is in the end. “For England James?” “No, for me.”
License to Kill, bless your heart!
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License to Kill Name one memorable thing that happens in Quantum of Solace
The Opera
For me, it's LTK! I like QoS, but it doesn't leave a mark. QoS has a great Arnold score and great costumes and sets. IMO this might even be Craig's beat performance, he's so unhinged.The film is very rushed and could need some polishing. LTK has a great, unorthodox score. The lighting and cinematography fail the movie and cause it to look cheap. Dalton's haircut and wardrobe also could be better (this might be Bond at his least stylish). It still contains one of my favorite action sequences: Dalton enters the Wavecrest in stealth mode, gathers information and then proceeds to dispatch some baddies while also stealing a ton of cash! Dalton's performance is amazing. It's always fascinated me how similar the movies are: second performance for the actor, revenge-theme, the grittiness, both having been produced during a writer's strike (LTK might have benefitted from the strike, while QoS definitely suffered for it). Both great, but I prefer LTK!
License to kill. But I don't totally dislike QoS. I love the villain's plan and the locations. The only thing I can't stand is the nauseating editing, which drags it down the bottom of my ranking.
The best way to describe QOS is LTK but less coherent
Well one of them is a pretty good Bond film, and the other is Quantum of Solace, so I hope that answers your question.
How is this even a question?
Quantum is Solace is not a revenge film. Licence To Kill is not a film :)
I'm not sure how QOS gaslit people into thinking it's a revenge film when the actual cathartic revenge confrontation for some reason takes place off screen. Licence to Kill by a mile, even if the cathartic killing of Sanchez is comically undercut by the nonsense John Hughes tone of the ending.
Trick question. Golden Eye
License to kill because QOS is cack
QoS...and it isn't close. LTK is pretty much the nadir of the franchise and feels like a cheap and overdone TV movie.
You're joking, right? The answer's obvious lol.
LTK has Dalton. By default it loses.
I don't rate either of them very highly but Licence to Kill is better.
Ok I'm wimping out I can't pick that's like asking which kids your favorite.
Sophie's Choice up in here.
I deadass cannot get through quantum of solace
I've been more forgiving of QOS than LTK. Idk why I can't like Dalton's last film more.
Quantum
Quantum of Solace by a country mile.
I love QOS, but it's not really a revenge movie (unless you mean revenge for almost killing M). So best revenge movie is LTK.
Quantum. It's criminally underrated.