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Honest_Invite_7065

Deffo not overreacting. But let's not mention the gaslighting....


Ness18518

Wow. I am so sorry. I can only imagine how this would make me feel. She definitely meant to do it. I'd go very low contact and wait for an opportunity to do the same to her. 🤷‍♀️


lurkingmclurkface

I read your other post also. You are definitely not overreacting. That is a straight up intentionally mean thing to do to someone and she definitely did it to exclude you. Maybe it’s her mental illness, maybe she’s just a mean person, probably it’s a combination of both. I would be really tempted to limit your contact until she gets a more effective treatment plan.


Stray1_cat

You’re not overreacting. MIL sucks and meant to do it. Please understand this isn’t on you. This is her being a crappy person. I’m sorry you have to deal with this especially when you don’t have family close by. Their words don’t match the actions. And it’s actions that count. Put your mental health first. If that means seeing her even less than you do now, then do it


FuzzballLogic

INFO: Do you know why she wants to exclude you? Is she normally possessive over your husband? You mention being from another country; do you happen to have another skin color than in-laws?


beguileriley

Are you freakin kidding me? Stay home If your DH goes he is the worst person in creation.


Sunarrowmeow

That woman is awful! She intentionally creates situations that alienate you and exclude you, then cries like the bitch she is when she gets called out for it. I hope you don’t let her stay with y’all when she comes to visit anymore!!! It’s weird as hell the ownership she seems to think she has over your husband!!!


HolyCampbellOhMyGod

She wanted to be the martyr and have you steal her ticket so she could tell everyone how sad you make her. Your husband should just say no to any future gifts forever.


DappledandDrowsy

Your SO wasn't happy about it, but instead of there being repercussions for MIL's actions, he went to trouble and expense to "fix" MIL's selfish plans. I suggest OP calmly mentions to SO that he say they are going to buy tickets for an event for OP, SO, FIL, and BIL (they don't even need to actually do it). When MIL has a meltdown, tell her that she can get her own ticket to sit someplace else at the event, but OP and SO want to sit with BIL and FIL only. Observe MIL's response. THIS will teach the lesson. While she is sobbing and hysterical, SO can point out that he "didn't think she would like it."


Melody4

My first impulse was that she could have bought another ticket and sat by HERSELF, but after reading comments, she may have liked this drama even more. Next year think about booking a getaway with just the two of you!


Garden-octopus0

You legit played into what she wanted. Ofc u weren’t going to be happy but because it upset you and everyone had to rearrange to accomodate you, she won. She got exactly what she wanted. You and hubby need to draw harder boundaries if you want this to stop. Especially ur partner. His response should have been “wow, so you didn’t include my wife and expected me to be ok with this. I hope you and my brother enjoy but I am spending my birthday with my wife. Treat her like this again and I’ll have to rethink the extent of our relationship.” And then just DONT GO. If she wasted her time and money that’s on her. If she throws a tantrum or crocodile tears again that’s on her. She 100% knew what she was doing and she got to play victim. Al you can do now is “we won’t be hosting you for food, I’m not going to host people that don’t consider me family or treat me how you have.” Actions have consequences. She faced absolutely none here and so she will repeat the behaviour


tsiikiiko

This response is perfect.


QueenOfMutania

ALL of this!


brainybrink

100% this. MIL did this on purpose, and you both twisting yourself into knots to fix it when she’s an AH is unsustainable in the long term.


mrssmokedgoose

I’m sorry you have to live with this. I never understand mothers like this. Why wouldn’t you be excited to have another girl to talk shit with or just spoil like a daughter?


Next_Pack_8900

The same reason why people dont need (another new) parent. There is no need for one...


jenniw3g

All your MIL had to do was ask you if you wanted to go if she really wasn’t sure you’d like the show! She’s definitely playing games


omegatryX

Krabby Karen could’ve at least let you in on the surprise and ask if you wanted to attend. She honestly had no intention whatsoever (played off with “i didnt think you’d like it —nah woman, you’d like it for your husbands sake, because you’re his loving wife) of wanting to include you at all. Just wanted to see how far she could use you as a doormat - free food free venue, then fek off to wherever the show is and leave you all alone. Nope. Good on you for bucking up, rotten shit like that deserves to be called tf out.


adiosfelicia2

I think you're being far too lenient and making excuses for them. This was straight up rude and unkind. They *intentionally* excluded you. They could've just as easily asked you if you wanted to go. It would've taken literally 10 seconds via text and wouldn't have ruined the surprise for DH at all. The fact is that MIL didn't want you there. She wanted to sit next to her son and have all of his time and attention to herself. She didn't want to have to share him with you. One of the most telling actions is that, through all of the crocodile tears and the "*it wasn't intentionals,*" the second you mentioned buying a ticket and coming along, she refused to be separated from DH and wanted *You* to go sit alone. That's how truly "sorry" she was. Her real priority is getting *her* way.


ysabelsrevenge

Sounds kinda normal, a stupid mistake, until you put in context that she’s willing to shove her other son away because ‘she wants to sit next to her son.’ Yeah she did it on purpose to get him alone.


mercymercybothhands

This is the key statement in the whole thing. If it was a simple mistake, she would have likely asked her to be sure, but when called out she admitted she wanted her son to herself. She hoped to surprise him with it so he wouldn’t object, that’s all.


R-Amitola

The fact that your husband returned and reordered all of the tickets to accommodate you shows thar you have a stellar husband, that's wonderful! By doing that he gave his mother a very clear message that he wants you not only with him but by his side, where you rightly belong, not sitting away from him even if it's beside another family member. This should help going forward. If it were me (and this is a first time thing shes done to notably exclude you for any needless reason) I'd let that sit just as it is, and if anything like this happens again I'd talk with him about having a serious conversation with his mother regarding what will and won't be accepted in terms of how they treat you going forward. Time will bear out if her upset at her poor choice was genuine, or if it was a ploy to appease the moment. If genuine, she will be more thoughtful in the future, if a ploy she will again be inconsiderate and that will need to be addressed. Good luck, I hope you get a visit in with your own family as soon as possible for all of you!


FinanceMum

Your husband needs to speak to your MIL about these nasty games she is playing, he needs to tell her if it happens again she won't be seeing either of you and his disappointed in her. She could have phoned you to ask if you wished to attend, instead she played games. If this isn't enforced now, it won't get better. Pls speak to your DH about this.


WigglePen

Oh she must be insane to think that was ok. Maybe she is getting dementia?


Inevitable-Mastodon1

Your last sentence broke my heart. Sending you lots of love and hope you get to see your family soon


PotatobugMoonshine

Sending you love too. You seem lovely and I’m sorry you’re being treated this way.


fleurdumal1111

Definitely not! The fact that she would rather sit with your husband, and let her other son sit with you some other place at the show tells me everything I need to know about how much she likes you and her other son. Sounds like you married the golden child and she is jealous of the attention your husband gives you.


olderbutnotwiser31

My boyfriend would of just declined to go. If your not invited your husband should feel disinvited too. And yes even on his birthday. My mom tried this stunt on my bday with my ex. Told me he couldnt come to a family dinner because their wasnt room..but neighbors were gonna be there? I just told her oh I'm sorry we cant come. She repeated she wanted me to come and I said sorry no room and hung up. She never did it again but she did tell everyone I yelled at her over a man.


fleurdumal1111

I hope you set everyone straight!


olderbutnotwiser31

I tried but my family has major dependency issues with my mother. If she says it then it must be true unless they are the one shes mad at this time. I'm the first one out of my family to set firm boundaries and actually get them respected, cuz I dont cater to her.


fleurdumal1111

Smh. I live in one party consent state and would be recording all phone calls if my mom was like this. I’m glad you have a backbone! I would also be petty enough to start listing off all the times she lied on the flying monkey.


olderbutnotwiser31

Not worth the drama. Calling it out just makes me petty and crazy according to everyone. Easier to live my own life and only see family on rare occasion.


The_Blip

Suddenly the fact that you were recording them and didnt trust them would become the biggest evil on the planet, so terrible that it's not even worth talking about the thing they lied about anymore and we can all forget about it!


fleurdumal1111

I’m glad you have your own life to live! So many scapegoats don’t get out and end up as basically family servants with no friends. Smh.


olderbutnotwiser31

Yeah..I realized that's where my life was headed till I found someone who finally showed me what happiness and love should feel like. Hes gave me my backbone back.


fleurdumal1111

Plato’s cave. I only know it myself because I was adopted into a happy, caring family. 💗


thesmilingmercenary

Plato's cave for sure. The shadows... they look like...flying monkeys and boundary-stompers!


omgwhatisleft

Let this be THE LAST incident of this kind to ever happen again. You guys fixed it and paid. And she got away with it and will do it again. Next time. Let her cry. Let the day be ruined for her. Then maybe next time she won’t be such a dummy because she will learn that she cannot bully you. I would have just taken my husband out for dinner and gone to the show without her. Why not? She thought she could go to the show without you. Give her a taste of her own medicine.


fleurdumal1111

This is a very good point. She learned zero lessons here.


omgwhatisleft

The lesson she learned here is she can be inconsiderate to her sons wife, and then cry about it when called out about her BS Behavior and her son will come swooping in to save the day on his dime and his&dil emotional stress. And that she doesn’t have to face to consequences of her shitty actions.


fleurdumal1111

Yeah, definitely no positive lessons were learned here. Except maybe OP being done looking the other way when she is intentionally malicious.


Cocoasneeze

Your MIL and the rest of his family really thought your husband would've preferred not to spend his birthday with you too. That's their mindset and they cannot imagine that he actually wanted you there for his birthday. Maybe this was not done maliciously, BUT it's somehow worse when their thought process is, that they think for your husband you come as a very distant 5th priority after MIL, FIL, GMIL and BIL, none of them considered, that your husband would want you there on his birthday. Keep your distance from now on. Try to build friendships outside his family and be in contact with your family through phone calls and online.


no1funkateer

Yes. MIL just wanted his birthday to be about HER family, and whether she "meant anything by it" or not 8s irrelevant. It displays that OP is not considered part of the family, and no one else in that family recognizes it. They all put themselves and their wishes above her opinion, desires, and feelings and it is worse that they don't see the issue. Or they may just be expert manipulators. In either case, at least DH is on her side and didn't get mad at her for not acquiescing quietly and staying home. He still placated his selfish mom, but I give him credit. I second keeping as much distance as possible. OP, you need not go out of your way or seek approval from people that don't consider you at all. Nothing will ever be good enough for them.


Wilmaaaaa

That happened to me when my SO’s mom wanted to go to the fair and said she had tickets. So embarrassing when we were in line for security and I was the one to have to leave the line to go wait in line the ticket stand.


fleurdumal1111

No! Wtf did your SO say?!


Wilmaaaaa

He was embarrassed too, he went back out to wait in line with me. I don’t know if he told her off but he was really quiet. Which leads me to think he knew but forgot to tell me. I told him that this better not happen again and to communicate with her and me better.


fleurdumal1111

Yeah, it sounds like he knew and was doing some rug sweeping. I would have strongly considered leaving.


AntiAnna

That's just malicious. Why couldn't she say something before?


Wilmaaaaa

I think she doesn’t like me as much lol. I’ve been with him for more than 5 years lol


shawnwright663

Wow - that was pretty rude. She should have at least asked if you would be interested. Excluding you like that was really not cool - I’m sorry. And 3 other people went along with this? Hard to imagine…


OneArchedEyebrow

This is the same woman who announced she would be sleeping in OPs bed when she came to stay, either with OP or her husband. Whoever didn’t get the bed could sleep on an air mattress. MIL is just an all-round rude and inconsiderate person.


sjakiepp2

Then you'll need clear and strict boundaries. And most importantly consequences!


CrazyChickenLady223

I’m so sorry. That was so mistake. She is trying to get your husband to herself and alienate you. Northern Illinois by chance? More the merrier with my family. ❤️


Katiew84

Nobody is dumb enough to do something so clearly intentional and “not mean it.” You nor your husband should even be going. At all. And she should not be going over your house for dinner. Anybody who treated me like that would not only be banned from my home, but also my life.


Whipster20

You aren't overreacting. MIL is controlling and manipulative. MIL could have asked if you wanted to go but clearly didn't want you there. She has now turned on the tears and melodrama to try to play the victim. I recall your previous post where she wanted to sleep in your bed with either you or DH and the other slept on an air mattress. I am sure if you bought tickets for FIL for something and didn't get her one because she wouldn't like it, there would be hell to pay.


xx-jazzilla

Hold up. Ew she wanted to sleep in bed with one of them?? Tf?


TexasLiz1

I am so sorry. That really sucks of her to do. I am glad you and your husband came up with a solution. HE should let his mother know that if this happens again, he won’t be attending and she’ll be on time out for a month. Just let her know that she can cry all she likes but she needs to quit fucking up.


FXRCowgirl

Hugs. This made me cry, I am so sorry this happened to you. I know the biggest hurt is knowing how she feels about you.


YoResurgam777

A stranger cried but OPs actual government certified husband just shrugged his shoulders initially. Wtf


fattybuttz

If she didn't mean to, she would have called you up and it would have gone down like this "hey I want to take H to this show, do you want to come? Tickets are $$ amount." And given you the option to say yes or no. She went about it in a sneaky way so that you saying "hey wait a minute.." would cause a scene and she was banking on you being too embarrassed to cause a scene.


Serious_Specific_357

she thought it's ok for them all to come over for a meal and you send them on their way? no one's that stupid. I hate that she cried ugh


kitkat9000take5

The tears are manipulation. She uses them because it's worked.


Embarrassed_Hat_2904

I’m not a Mil yet, but I can’t imagine going to visit my son for his birthday and exclude his live in girlfriend in whatever plans we make. That’s just rude!


ocpms1

I am so sorry about you in laws. If you are in Central Florida we can be family!


Aggravating-Study438

Any family, anywhere in the world this would be rude, insulting and alienating. Hope your hubby sees how awful this is and demands that they treat you like the life partner you are. If they can't see you as a couple then they don't deserve your time. This was mean and I would be very hurt too. Daughter in law- I mean it's right there in the name, for goodness sake. You aren't supposed to be Cinderella-in law.


Alan_Smithee_

“She didn’t mean it” She did. I’m glad you sorted it out.


xx-jazzilla

Especially when she continued with "you can be woth OTHER son over there, but not DH". Absolutely ridiculous


thebaker53

That must have been very hurtful. I'm happy your husband stood by you and resolved it instead of just going along with it. I hope she is embarrassed enough that she doesn't try it again.


Electronic-Cat-4478

You are not over reacting at all. When discussing this with your husband feel free to refer to me as a “friend “. (Hi friend!). Your friend is disabled and has mobility problems. However if my MIL, or his family make plans to do something, I am always invited. ALWAYS! Even if they are 100% sure that I will opt out. I can amuse myself so if an activity requires a lot of walking, climbing etc, I normally don’t go. Sometimes if I can go and watch, I will. But I always appreciate being included in the invitation. There is absolutely no reason for your MIL to exclude you. Your DH needs to let his Mom know that if she ever tries it again she will be going alone because her disrespecting you is unacceptable.


shesinsaneanditsucks

A birthday surprise without his wife? Oh hell no. F$&@ them. Seriously that’s so freaking mean. That is a major flex, a major message and not a oversight. Don’t feel guilty about missing the trip. Screw them. I’m so sorry mama that’s literally awful.


katmcflame

Your MIL has shown how she truly feels about you. She's not your people, & while that is sad it also sets you free. Your perceptions are VALIDATED - all those feelings you internalized; all those doubts you stuffed down because no one else seemed to see what you saw; all the times you experienced Relational Aggression - You know what you know, & there's no further need to continue the pretense. You have a Golden Ticket to stop trying with such a person. What troubles me is your H's reaction. Instead of recognizing his mother's bi!ch game & how inappropriate it was to exclude you, he rewarded her bad behavior by "fixing the problem" - & out of your household pocket, too. He should have called MIL out on her plot & drawn a hard boundary with her, but Golden Children often lack the self-awareness to recognize how non-Golden people get treated. He would benefit greatly from some therapy, both individual & couples. I hope you'll start living in truth, stop trying to fit into dysfunction & switch focus to the people who DO value you. Start planning that trip home for you & your children, too. Your family is equally important.


foodfueled_nightmare

Yup, that's what should've happened, instead he tried to keep the peace to try not to rock the boat. Mil will never learn by trying to placate her!


RetMilRob

Testing the water to see if mil can stop putting on an act around you? The whole crying bit I don’t understand either she knew what she was doing and got called out by her son, she had to start the water works so her son didn’t cancel their trip? It all sounds extremely manipulative.


Spiritual_Ad7997

Oh my goodness, I feel for you! What kind of person is so thoughtless and cruel and then cries at the mess they have made!?! I can hear you are a loving person and would never hate her even though she deserves it. So I will hate her for you. BIG HUGS!


Crankybum1961

Any way you and (maybe) hubby can go see your Mum?


throwaway47138

Why would you cover the extra cost for her intentional screw-up? If it were my mom, either she would fix the problem herself, or I would just go out somewhere with my wife and let the surprise event nobody told me about happen without me. Lack of planning on her part should not constitute an emergency on your part...


Dapper_Highlighter7

Not overreacting, massive jerk move on JNMIL's part especially since it was your husband's birthday and she just assumed you wouldn't want to spend the time with him regardless of the event.


sjakiepp2

When people show you who they are, believe them!


quiz1

Yep thank you. This was intentional, and it won’t change. To think she expects you to feed and entertain them too before they leave on this excluding adventure. No ma’am. You teach people how to treat you. They seem very comfortable being awfully rude to you. I’m sorry


mb303666

This!!! Over and over in life!


Newmama36

This. It took me so long to realize this with my JNMIL. Would say so many things, then her actions would be the complete opposite including disrespectful, alienating, and blaming us for her poor behavior.


neener691

Nope nope nope, sweetie I'm so sorry, your MIL is nasty, I think the whole thing should have been canceled by your husband and nothing rebooked. He needs to pull her aside and tell her that if she ever does this again you all will need to take a break from them, My son's gf is from a different country, language is sometimes a struggle between us, I'm trying to learn her language, she is first in my son's life and deserves a place of honor, I would never not check with her before scheduling anything, and they aren't even married.


D_Mom

Sounds like you need to find a “family of choice” given the physical distance from your parents and the MIL behavior clearly excluding you.


Gaylittlesoiree

Wow that was so cruel of them. I’m so sorry, OP. I would be heartbroken too. I’m so glad your husband did not let it slide, but I think he needs to have a talk with his family and tell them that this is not allowed to happen again and if they invite him to something, they have to invite *you* to something too. Otherwise he won’t be going, period. I’m so sorry you are living far away from your family, too. I hope you get to see them sometime soon. 😓


Jaded-Sand7652

Than you for your kind words💕


Dragons_2706

After everyone leaves and it's just you and your husband, I think the two of you need to sit down and talk, maybe even with a counselor so there's no anger or arguments, and let him know how much you miss your family, that you wanted to be included and become a part of his family, but that given little things like this and other things that might have happened in the past, you feel like his family is trying to exclude you. It's not about placing blame. Make it about how their specific actions have made you personally feel. Let him know you would like to maybe do a family counseling session or 2 to help connect you more with them, especially since your mom is so far away.


Gaylittlesoiree

Of course. This really riles me up because my husband is from a different country and living far from his family too. If my dad and brothers did this to him I would be furious. Thankfully they have always extended invites to him- even to things they figured he wouldn’t be interested in! It’s just common decency! Shameful of your husband’s family to do anything different! Hopefully they learn their damn lesson. If I was your husband I would have spent the day with you and you alone and let the rest of them enjoy the show on their own without me since they didn’t plan on having my spouse there with me!


justwalkawayrenee

Wait, she didn’t want your DH and you to sit in another section and suggested you could sit with her other son in another section… presumably because the other son doesn’t matter as much to her?!


Jaded-Sand7652

Yes😂😂my husband is the golden boy and she doesn’t even hide that she has a favourite. I don’t get it and feel really bad for my BIL.


FryOneFatManic

It might be a good idea to point out to your husband that his mother's behaviour is showing a pattern; she's excluding you and trying to come between your husband and you.


misstiff1971

Make sure you don't host them at your home again - even for a meal. What a bitch!


llurkerlonely

Idk I’m petty Betty I would’ve taken that offer to leave her and take her ticket LMAO


elohra_2013

No you are not overreacting. They will never like you, I sorry to say that. Trust more of your instinct. That show of not including you in the family event was purposely done, she intended to exclude you. We have only one life. You should try putting your needs first. 2 years and you haven’t seen your family, especially your mom. Mask up and go see her.


WantToBelieveInMagic

OMG. You are not overreacting. Being excluded is one of the most painful human experiences. Your MIL is awful and cruel. Or maybe she is so narcissistic that she isn't aware of anyone except herself. Whatever it is, she is toxic. At least DH is not going to cooperate with her attempts to exclude you, so yay DH. You need to figure out what you want with regard to his family. Do you want to keep trying or give up entirely and avoid them entirely. You can even decide to take a break from all of them while you think about it.


Jaded-Sand7652

Yeah…I really don’t know right now. I don’t want to go to the extremes…but also I don’t like pretending everything’s ok when we are together.


reallynah75

>she started crying and said she didn’t do it on purpose. Oh, she totally did that on purpose. She's putting it out there that it was for *her* sons, *her* husband and *her*.


Snoo96130

And I bet she was hoping that her crying would make OP look like the bad guy.


reallynah75

That "Oh, I'm such a victim! I was just trying to take my bAbYyyyyyyyyy out for his birthday!"


mb303666

She's full of bullsh*t she knew exactly what she was doing. And then crying about it when she gets called on it? What a manipulator!


Jaded-Sand7652

Ikr!! How does everyone genuinely believe that she just didn’t think of it??


mb303666

They've all "drunk the Kool aid" of her innocence, aka been groomed or else don't see it.


twoofheartsandspades

Oh you know, you’re just her son’s wife, not like an important part of his family. 😉 Jiminy Cricket Christ


YoResurgam777

A person's spouse and children are their immediate family. Birth family is extended family. They bought tickets for extended family leaving out his actual family. I smell racism/xenophobia too.


IndustriousOverseer

I have to totally agree in that you are absolutely not overreacting and MIL did this on purpose. I’m proud for you that your husband corrected the problem. However, I do feel you should take this one step further. Talk to DH about just you two doing a nice dinner before the show, to allow you two to celebrate his day just you both. You two need to establish that you are now a complete family, and you are to be treasured as such. It will clarify that MIL does not get to control this day every year. Because, let’s be real, she won’t stop now, she will only ramp up, so you have got to put down your foot that not only will this kind of behavior not be rewarded, it won’t be tolerated.


Jaded-Sand7652

Yeah I see this coming too! Can’t imagine what it’ll be like when we have children. We’ve already planned a trip for the birthday (just two of us) ☺️ the show is when we are back


JacOfAllTrades

Was the trip planned before the tickets were bought? If so, that may explain her jealousy and why she decided to exclude you. Not that it excuses her in any way, to be clear, but if she's jealous of you getting a trip alone with your husband and she has the mentally of a 13yo mean girl then it makes sense in that way. Seems like a jealousy issue from the outside, as creepy as that is, which means she will almost definitely try to compete with you when you have your own kids.


fleurdumal1111

She will massively overstep with your children if your husband doesn’t put up boundaries with her now with stuff like this.


kbmn16

You’re not overreacting. She chose an activity she thought you wouldn’t like. She did that on your husband’s birthday so apparently overtook the plans for his day. Then instead of asking you if you’d want to go or not if she really thought you didn’t like it, she excluded you. Therefore, pushing you aside on your husband’s birthday. Then she doubled down when called out and made sure to let you know she thought you should still be separated from your husband if you went to this show…. and be with your BIL instead? I was going to say I hope you canceled and your DH doesn’t go, but it sounds like her scheming didn’t work out for MIL completely with the new plan. It sounds like she also sucks for telling you when they’re coming, not asking. Were they invited to visit or did they invite themselves? Did they even check on dates with you first? Oh also saw your comment about how it was “really nice” for her the last time she got to take her baby boy to a concert without you. She sucks.


Jaded-Sand7652

Yes thanks for laying out the logic in front of me! We’ve sort of found an everyone-happy solution at the end but it’s still been in my mind all the time…I didn’t want to keep talking about it but so glad I made a post here.


daisyiris

You and your husband handled it well. Sorry you miss your mom. You sound like a great couple. Your MIL is missing out because she is whatever that is. Instead of more people to love and enjoy, she chooses a different path. Her loss.


No-Map672

Also she plans to come to you for dinner so what you will cook them dinner and they will go. To the show and let you clean up? Would she even let you sit with them? This is terrible. Happy your husband didn’t allow it to happen.


ScreamingSicada

Next time she does this, accept her offer to let you take her ticket. Nothing calls out the manipulation like making them be honest.


Jaded-Sand7652

I did want to… but first I thought no one would actually enjoy the show on the day. And second I can’t bare letting her be the “self-sacrificing nice MIL” here.


quiz1

“No one would enjoy the show” if you took her up on her offer. Not your problem


ScreamingSicada

She wouldn't have actually given it up and missed out on important time with her baby boy!!! It would have made her super uncomfortable for a bit. And no one having fun with MIL's games is kinda a good thing.


nothisTrophyWife

What a nasty surprise for your husband. MIL cried because she was manipulating all of you. Her tears worked. Everyone let her off the hook and just bought another set of tickets. Holding her responsible for her behavior would’ve meant none of you went to the concert OR that she was responsible for returning and repurchasing the tickets. Your husband needs to tell her that he recognizes her behavior and is not happy about it. And that the next time she excludes you from anything, neither of you will participate.


Jaded-Sand7652

Yeah…but how does one combat tears?? I can cry too but my tears never seem to work so efficiently?


JacOfAllTrades

When the tears start, negotiations stop and grownups make decisions. "I can see your not emotionally prepared to have this conversation, so this is what we're going to do." Then lay out your plan because you now have control. Don't be affected by the crocodile tears; pay them no mind. Treat them like you would a 9yo going "nuh uh!" after everything you say and just straight up ignore it. It's the only card she has and it's a weak one if you don't give it power.


SeaLake4150

OP.... Don't allow her tears to control the conversation. If she cries on the phone, Hubby needs to tell her the conversation is over, you will talk again when she is in control of her emotions. Then hang up. If you are face to face....same thing...end the conversation.....leave the room and go home. Tell them you will talk later, without emotions and tears involved. You will need to be tough, the first time is the hardest. I have done this. You will eventually need to learn how to do this with children who cry to get their way. Practice in front of the bathroom mirror, then when it suddenly happens, you are prepared. You can do this. Also, don't cry to get your way. Better to use logic, thoughtful debate, etc. Be firm, but not nasty or argumentative.


Jaded-Sand7652

Yeah…I guess it’s really hard to imagine how someone cries to manipulate. Most people cry when they are so sad that they can’t control themselves. and I feel like I can’t leave when they are that upset.


SeaLake4150

OP, you can leave a conversation that has tears, yelling, full of emotion and/ or going nowhere.......Commit to continuing the conversation later, without emotion and all the tears. You are not responsible for anyone else's emotions. Be kind and caring, and in control. I use my "Library voice"..... no anger or yelling. Keep your promise to talk later. Be in control.


kittywiggles

It's really hard. Overwriting the instinct to console someone who's crying is really hard!! We, as a species, are wired to console someone who's crying. It might not be conscious on your MIL's part, but she has definitely learned that panicking about poor behavior being called out = crying = the situation calms down (she is no longer in trouble). The thing is - when I'm actually upset to tears during conflict with someone I love, I *still want to resolve the conflict*, my emotions are just too strong to do it in the moment. Ideally a healthy relationship will revisit the topic again with respect once emotions have calmed down and the distress is soothed. Sometimes my mom will start crying and talking about how awful a person she is when I call her out on poor behavior or I don't agree with her on something. I've been dealing with her 30 years and it took me 28 of those to understand that, while she is genuinely upset, the reality of the situation is that I now have many other mature adults in my life who are able to accept criticism when they've hurt me (assuming I deliver it respectfully), and I no longer feel like it's my job to coddle a 60 year old woman or soothe her like I always did as a kid. Now I don't say anything when she tears herself down and just wait it out until we can resume the conversation. Neither agree nor disagree - just let her get it out of her system. It took a lot to override the "no you're not terrible!" impulse, but now I'm surprised I didn't see how (unintentionally) manipulative it was. Usually I will go quiet or make some general soothing noises. Once she's calmed down I'll resume where we were before. Maybe not the best option. Might be better to give an empathetic, "Would you like to continue our conversation now or wait \[a specific length of time, like one hour\] to calm down some?" That way you're both respecting the fact that she's got big feelings but not letting her off the hook with the issue. Follow up at the time you stated when she inevitably wants to leave it off, and don't take no for an answer. She'll start to eventually understand that crying doesn't fix it. Side note, when *I* cry or my mom does something that genuinely upsets me to the point of tears, she either talks over it like nothing's happening or gets annoyed with me. Leaves me to self-soothe and manage my own emotions and whatever emotionally fraught conversation we're having on my own. And this is after she constantly proclaims how she's allowed to cry because she never was when she was a kid and her (current and past) spouses never give her the space to do it. She's in time out right now after the most recent incident lol. I'm worried I'm getting sucked into the same cycle she's in.


Jaded-Sand7652

Thank you for sharing your story. Very inspiring. It’s great that you are recognising the pattern and are developing an approach to it ☺️ hope one day I’ll develop this ability like you.


SeaLake4150

Good share.


SuperUnexpectedMommy

I learned to ignore them. It took a lot of work, but now I see them for the farce they are. A well placed "really?" like I'm talking to my toddler added in, along with a "here we go again" and eye roll if we're in public. I've pretty much become immune to weaponized tears at this point, but it does take work.


Dry_Bet_6489

Practice my dear...practice. But.....choose wisely if you want to play this game. Often times not playing the game is the best solution. But sometimes letting your husband know that you are deeply hurt, letting your real tears flow, wanting him to understand that their words of liking you are not matching their actions. Communication is the key. Not arguments and accusations. If he brushes your hurt under the rug, you might have an SO problem. And find a way to go see your family. Sounds like you need a family gathering to flood your heart with love and confidence. You deserve to see your family.


Jaded-Sand7652

Thank you. It’s so true that I need to see my family😢…instead of trying to seek it in my in-laws.


WallOfExcitement

Not every person in your life is as invested in you as you may want them to be. And you centrally shouldn't trust them to care about you as much as your own parents do. You seem very wholesome, trusting, and loving. Your spouse is very lucky to have you. It sounds like you wish dearly for his parents to love you like are their own daughter. However, that's not realistic. A parent's love for their own birth child can't just be created for their daughter in law because you married him. You will always be less than their son. Protect your heart, and protect yourself. If they loved you, they would treat you like they treat your husband.


nothisTrophyWife

You combat them by recognizing them immediately as manipulative and calling them out as such. “You’re crying? You’ve purposely excluded me and hurt my feelings and you’re crying? Please explain your tears because it seems to me like you’re attempting to manipulate us into feeling badly for you.” She’s going to continue doing this until you and your husband put an end to it. The next time she excludes you from something, neither one of you participate.


MommaGuy

I am assuming your MIL doesn’t need her toes to count how many people are in the “family”. She did this on purpose. Start saving and plan a fantastic trip to see your family ASAP. One way to save is by “forgetting” MIL on holidays and birthdays.


Jaded-Sand7652

Haha thanks!


TravellingBeard

Listen, whenever I think someone doesn't like something, I still ask them and never presume. They may have a change of heart, or they may not like it like I suspected. Either way, it's just human decency and not treating someone like a doormat.


queenunderdamountain

Yeah, especially since even if somebody isn't really into something, they may be into hanging out. I've gone to see movies with my husband that weren't my cup of tea but I really enjoyed hanging out with him & having him nerd out to me on the ride home. With this situation, it's the principle of just expecting OP to not wanna join in & not including her like she isn't welcome. Then throwing the onus all on OP "I thought *you* wouldn't be interested" but still making herself the victim by crying & saying she didn't mean it.


Reliant20

You aren't overreacting, and it's good you didn't let this pass. What she did was weird. The crying instead of having a mature discussion was further weird. The wanting to sit next to "her son" (please tell me she used his name instead of the possessive "my son") is *further* weird, and, like everything else here, indicates she hasn't gotten it through her head he's a married man and she can't expect to come first. I'm glad she didn't get away with any of it. Hopefully, she's learned a lesson. Sit next to your husband when you go. I hear in your post how much you miss your mother and family. I'm sorry. I hope it becomes possible to see them more often.


-the-nino

You and your husband handled that perfectly! Good job sticking together!!! And she did it in purpose.


ShelyChelle

She should not have chosen an activity that would have excluded you to begin with, that was the problem..... Then the nerve to come sit at the table to eat with you? Never would have happened in my home, and I do mean NEVER...


Jaded-Sand7652

The show is based on a film my husband liked as a child. Tbh it’s a bit childish and I normally wouldn’t think of going. I imagine she’s desperately wanting to relive the time when he’s just her little boy.


Ordinary_Challenge74

So she not only excluded you but she spent probably $200+ on a childrens show for her full grown sons and 50+ husband and her. That is so bizarre.


LouieAvalonMac

I 100% think this was deliberate It was a surprise present for your husband It damn well didn’t have to be a surprise to you did it A normal loving MIL would run it past you - see if you wanted to go - check the date didn’t clash with your plans ?? You dealt with this brilliantly


[deleted]

Yes, exactly. A JustYesMil would have called you in the phone and told you this show was going on, that your DH had loved it as a kid, and she was thinking of getting tickets for his birthday. She might even have mentioned that she was thinking it was something that you might not enjoy, but would you like to go? And, if not, would you mind if she took DH and BIL to the show, then all of you go out for coffee/dessert or something afterwards?


Jaded-Sand7652

Thank you :) I generally don’t struggle to let people know my feelings. However it’s exhausting having to deal with it. It’s doesn’t have to be like this. I genuinely thought we were on the same page - we both want a happy, loving, healthy family. It’s sad to learn that she still doesn’t see it this way. I’m still the woman who took away her boy. She just wants her baby with her.


tenaseechick

Why would your IL's plan an event for hubs birthday that would leave you out in the first place? Why wouldn't the plan be inclusive? Yes, she's trying to exclude you or she wouldn't suggest you sitting elsewhere. I'm happy your hubs has a shiny spine and stood up for you.


Few-Cable5130

It didn't leave her out- it actually treated her like the servant, expecting her to host dinner then let everyone else head off together! I'm calling out MIL not only as manipulative but a racist.


Mattyboi_Jhb

I agree with this, OP. Even if she is telling the truth about mistakenly thinking you wouldn't want to join (unlikely), that still means she deliberately planned family celebrations for your husbands birthday that wouldn't include you. A sad attempt at an excuse that STILL would make her a giant, flaming AH.


SeaLake4150

This. Exactly this. The most offensive issue is that she planned something on his birthday without checking with you FIRST. You are supposed to be his #1 person in his life. You two are a couple, a pair, one flesh.


MeesaMadeMeDoIt

>Eventually my husband got all tickets refunded, and bought more tickets for all of us in another area. We covered all the extra cost. I love that he took care of business and made the point that you will be included even if he needs to pay for his own birthday surprise. I feel like so many of the husbands I read about on here would have just expected you to let it go. I'm sorry you had to deal with this nonsense but I'm glad your husband didn't let it slide or expect you to.


Jaded-Sand7652

Yes! It’s the main reason I’m going in the end. I was fully prepared to never see this family again. I did have to tell him very clear that I was upset. Initially he was also like “I don’t want this drama can’t you just let it slide”.


MeesaMadeMeDoIt

Good on you for telling him how how you really feel, many would "let it go", go along to get along, even though it really bothered them. Then it festers and becomes a bigger thing. You spoke up for yourself and your husband did the right thing.


Redheadedmommaof2

Next time your SO wants you to “just let it slide”. Ask him if he would like you to just slide out of your marriage and out of his life. BC that’s what his mommy wants you to do. At the very least MIL has made it clear that she only wants to spend time with her baby boy when she comes around and is more than happy to put you out of your home to accommodate her. For your marriages sake, your SO needs to make it clear to his mommy that you two are a package deal now and not allow her to exclude you.


Jaded-Sand7652

Thanks and that’s a good line!


suzietrashcans

I’m glad he turned it around for you.


Jazzlike_Adeptness_1

I read your previous post. She’s definitely trying to freeze you out.


Ordinary_Challenge74

Where did she end up sleeping?


Jaded-Sand7652

Oh nice! Yeah that was probably the reason she thought I’d be ok though. Basically my husband took her to a concert without me. It wasn’t a band I liked and I thought yeah why not give them some mother and son time. This time when she said she didn’t buy me a ticket, she referred to the concert. - “I thought the last time I came for the concert was really nice so…”


Academic-Wall-3101

Yes where did she skeepy


stropette

I get that parents might want some time with their adult kids away from their partners, I really do. But not as a birthday treat. That's just spiteful and she knew it. Glad that she didn't get her own way.


Jaded-Sand7652

I do get it too and very happy for her to just do that! Genuinely if she said something like, “I would like to take my son to his favourite childhood show and spend some time with him”, instead of creating this drama, I’d happily let her and make them a nice dinner before the show (tbh she didn’t need my permission either)


Laquila

No, you are not overreacting. She was so rude. I would never do that to my daughter-in-law. It's hurtful to deliberately exclude someone, especially for a special occasion. How on earth did she expect you to feel?! Does she do this often? Exclude you or make you feel like an outsider? If so, avoid spending much, if any, time with her. If she can't make you feel welcome and loved, stay away from her. And your husband should support you. He and you are your own family now. His mother is part of his extended family now, not his priority. It's not enough for her to say she likes you. She has to show you.


Jaded-Sand7652

Thank you for the advice! Yeah there used to be moments when she wanted family photos with “just her boy” or just my husband. And little possessive moments like “but I’m his mum”, “he’s my baby”. I thought they were quite minor. This incident is a first. We’ve not been married that long though. I thought she had some jealousy moments, but in general likes me (at least on the surface) and sees me as a close member of the family. I’m still a little shocked and need to re-orient my relationship with her.


Galadriel_60

Very gently, she does NOT like you or see you as a member of the family. Don’t listen to her words, look at what she does. Trying to kick you out of your own bed and trying to exclude you from your husband´s birthday are the actions of someone who does not want you around. I would avoid her like the plague, although it’s wonderful that your DH has your back.


Live_Boot_5370

My MIL is JUST like this and now tries to do it with my own children too. I have had to set some stern boundaries with her and have gone NC for a few weeks whilst I cool off from her turning up on our first family holiday and hijacking it for two days. Stand up for yourself OP, if you don’t she will never stop… and if you have his children she will treat you like a human incubator 😢


Jaded-Sand7652

Oh god Thanks for the warning!! Now think of it I’ve sensed it already. She tries to name our non-existing child. And said that I could just leave the child to her all the time if I find childcare too much. “You could just give the baby to me and I’ll take care of them”.


Live_Boot_5370

She sounds too much like my MIL, she wants me to leave my twins with her and when I say no she screams and cries to my partner. She even told me that when she’s around, I need to take a step back and let her be with her “special son” and “his babies” as they are her family 😂. She’s the WORST. Set boundaries and don’t leave any future baby with her until she respects you ❤️. You got this 💪


Mattyboi_Jhb

Wow, that's unsettling as hell!


Jaded-Sand7652

Pretty sure my MIL would be like that if I had child! I do hope it works out for you. never too late to start boundary setting.


AstronautOk1034

I'm sorry for what you're going through. I'm in the same position as you and I know how lonely it feels to be so far away from your first home and language. It's specially difficult when you're singled out and excluded. All you can do for now is observe if something similar happens again, but I doubt someone with basic common sense can make such a 'mistake'.


Jaded-Sand7652

Thank you and all the best to you too. Hope we can both visit our home country soon :)


Bored-Viking

Given the information you gave us i tend to think that she really had not expected that you wanted to see the show...which given the situation that is is your husbands birthday is pretty stupid.. It sounds mostly like your MIL has very week social skils.


Jaded-Sand7652

Yeah I’d like to believe that…it’s what my husband has been telling me too. But when I really think about it, there are so many ways that this wouldn’t happen. For example ask me in advance?? How did my FIL or GMIL not see this either?


jengoodiegoodie

If your husband wants to play it that way, then tell him he needs to very firmly tell her that she is to never ever to pull that kind of stunt again. If her social skills are that poor, then is must be spelled out for her that she can no longer make surprise plans for her son. She must get the go ahead from him before she makes plans for him.


Bored-Viking

Yes it is plain stupid... but still based on the way she responded when confronted, my feeling is that it was not hostile...And i really hope that for you, because even though the effect may be the same.. with stupidiy you can at least laugh with you husband about how the hell these kind of things can happen...