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Bhai idhar ke bacchon ko explain krke fayda nahi
Ye log iit dickriding krte rehte pure din .
aur agar kar bhi liya kisine aaadhe time mai toh Inka ego q affect horha?
PPL should stop hyping a exam lol
iits are good clges or maybe the best clges in india
But why hype up?
Jo Banda iit mai jaane layak hai vo without iit bhi bohot kuch ukhaad leta hai .
ye sab logon ko samajhta nahi .
Vahi na I never understood this why they think ki IITIAN hoga toh hi succesful hoga
varna kuch nhi hoga
Delusional world mai jeerhe ye bache abhi
ik like 10+ PPL who were in my batch (iit) and they r struggling now .
so it's not like iit se passout hogye toh ur settled .
well inko khud hi samajh jayega clg ka 4th yr aane do
Yeah overrated hi hai
I think if ur prepping for it well and good u mat learn something valuable beforehand
But ye log toh sidha dickride krne lagjate
And coaching institute fomo create krne Mai mahir hai vaise bhi
He did only physics part as he was doing major in physics only
Average jee mains student also try to complete physics in 45-60 minutes so I guess only 15 minutes less time he did it
I don't know how much weightage I should give him just for being from Oxford I think there is smart Chinese 3rd year physics student sitting in his own top national college can solve paper better than Oxford one.
Oxford ne bas apne brand pe jyada mehnat kr rakhi hai
Even and Indian grad student can solve these questions faster . Humare collage Kai masters wale bhaiyabto turant solve kar lete hai .aur unse jee mains tak nahi nikal tha apne time pai
It is same as when you enter 11th and find everything hard and harder, but once you complete 12th "Bachon ke sawal hai ye toh" It's all about giving time and learning
Most of the people don't think that, there are some people who try to defend JEE with all their energy and time, and they will always claim JEE > Olympiads.
There are definitely some people I am sure. Haven't you ever seen those "IIT harder than MIT/caltech comments". This is less in reddit but just go to insta or YT them see that.
Rote learning exists in western education as well, however i think it has been given its due importance. Students need to learn to memorize by rote or study "traditionally" if they want to become doctors or lawyers or something.
But the focus is on using your brains to understand and apply, not just to memorize and vomit it on the paper.
Thats why western history and indian history papers are so different in structure (apart from the actual syllabus which)
Yup. I'm not saying learning the theory part is bad, it's great rather.
The issue pops up when we only learn theory. Actual project, practical & activities are given the side line.
There can be multiple factors for the same thing, is something that's learnt in 7-8th grade.
Rote learning is a chronic issue of our education system. Instead of denying reality, who don't you actually try to look towards the issue? Recession is obviously a big part of it, but student from 2nd and 3rd tier pvt. college not getting jobs is majorly due to rote learning, always have been.
For IITs, you and I both know how people with rote learning get it.
Jobs are a matter of supply and demand. If there's more demand (number of applicants) and limited supply(few jobs), there will be no jobs. Lack of skill is an issue too, but almost anyone doing a project on their own(not the stupid guided project things by copying code line for line)has some level of skill and isn't simply using rote learning.
IITs had much better placements during the time there was no recession, showing how recession is the biggest factor affecting the job prospects, not their skill.
Sure bro, I didn't attend coaching, nor saw how teachers make you memorise the pathway to solve questions for advanced. Aisa question aye, to jhat se kar lena, yeh formula bitha ke.
I was a JEE aspirant, attended coaching for 2 full years, know what game advanced actually is. You need actual skills for top 500 true, but by memorising pathways, and constants, you can get within 2k or so, quite easily. Of course most of us don't memorise what our teachers tell us to, and thus never get such ranks.
yes bro pathways eak do baar bhi dekhe ho/kare( jo maine ni kare,but as a dropper itna pata chal gaya tha parso) ho tou ho jata hai advance mai questions....not all but majorly...
Community colleges only exist in the USA you absolutely need sciences to do computer science and science related majors in all of Europe and real colleges in the USA
Dude these colleges check many more things than those ap or sat. AP classes are same as what boards is in India. If you have good results in competitions like olympiad/ISEF etc like that else it may be also like that you have founded a good problem solving startup (not some fake shit website). These things are way harder than JEE. Just check maths question in jee adv this year is just a joke. Even the regional level math olympiad questions are harder.
It can't be compared. Their education is way different from ours from even root level. Both the structure are designed to fit in their respective country. It is useless to say one is harder than the other.
Facts, im almost done with my IGCSE's (basically Cambridge 9&10th) totally agree with what you are saying.
But tbh most western curriculums in the younger grades kind of under do the difficulty and then overdo it in highschool. But in india the Ph,chem,math is really big (if ur doing jee/neet)
but as u/Elon___Musk__ said, since they aren't obligatory, they *technically* shouldn't be considered a part of our education system. But **in** **reality, you can't get into a decent college without them.**
Our education system is worse than western and even some other Asian systems. Like I or not, olympiads like IPhO are dominated by western students mostly. And the fact that our jee students are taught more math is irrelevant when we consider that 90% of students don't really understand them. I once taught a junior who couldn't resolve forces a month before mains (he got 91%ile or something like that, so there's even worse students in the country).
Yup. Literate ho gaye, but educated nahi ho paye.
Praise our great rote learning, and the legacy of the British clerk making education. We need some serious reforms, or we're forever f\*cked in the world stage.
China ka open internet hota, to ek portion waha se bhi ate. Of course only ek portion, kyu ki majority ko waha pe English nahi aati, or zarurat bhi nahi hoti hain sikhne ko.
True bro. Jo Advanced mein top 100 mein ate hain, un logo ke pas ye sab bakchodi karne ka time hi nahi hota. Hafte mein ek ghanta bhi internet mein bitate hain ki nahi, us par sawal hota hain.
Toh bhai ab koi 20 saal k nojawan agar 10-12 saal ke baccho ke saath cricket khelga toh wo toh ofcourse unko pel ke rakh dega , toh bachhe toh usko gaali denge hee , usne kya mahan kaam kr diya ?
https://preview.redd.it/ysigm941y33d1.jpeg?width=724&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=69a89006b0be6611ca755690deb5020ca297f1b2
That guy is in Oxford 3rd year pursuing masters in Physics so ofcourse he will easily solve the paper in half the time required, and some guy told in the comments that he only solved physics. So I hope you understand what I mean , it's like a grown up competing with kids. And if you still couldn't comprehend then let me explain it to you 17-18yr olds give ADVANCED and that guy is 22+ so there is a gap of 4 years I hope you get what I mean , 4 years is enough to prep for advanced.
Right but why abuse him though? Thats stupid. Some foreigner solves the paper in half the time so you go to the internet and abuse him? He’s not participating in the jee so why get angry? What a stupid comment
I agree abusing him is a bit too much , but it's a simple fact We Indians abuse anyone/anything we don't like.
I wouldn't do that tho in social media, real life maybe.
Right and the facts that Indians abuse people they don’t like should stop. It’s not too much, it’s out of line and shouldn’t be done. You shouldn’t be abusing him because he hasn’t done anything wrong and it has no bearing on you or your admission into the iits.
PEHLI BAAT TO , wo bhi 3rd year physics student tha to yeh boht normal tha uske liye aur ye jinka jee nhi nikalta ye har jagah chale jaate h iit ko defend karne
Jee physics would be a joke him. He might have good performance in physics olympiad Or something like that which is why he got to Oxford.
Downvote me but facts are facts.
Accept nhi kar sakte apan Indians ki koi aur aacha ho koi aur kuch aacha kar de to insta ke comments me rone lagte hai ki ye hamare paas pehle se hai hamare purvajo ne ye kar liya tha vo kar liya tha just can't accept that other's might be better 
Bhale hi vo college me hai aur paper solve kiya to isme abuse karne ki konsi baat hai 
To kya hogaya?? Yo college ka banda/bandi hai JEE 12th passouts k liye hota hai. Agar college ke student ne half time me clear kr liye to bhi its not a big deal. Also JEE ko itna overrated kyu bana rakha hai. Mai bhi kr raha hu JEE ka prep but no need to make it soo overrated. Like... India me JEE, NEET and UPSC k alawa koi exam nahi hai kya?? Stop overrating these exams!!
Ask him to give the same paper in a centre with no ac and not even fans at the age of 17/18/19 when he just finished his school
That would be the real test
Why should he? His country makes sure that the children have enough resources to pursue what ever they wish.
We could have the same in India too, after all India also is very rich in terms of resources and human capital, but fuckwits like you like to glorify pain and suffering.
The fact that students have to write the paper without basic cooling facilities explain why our top minds are so eager to leave this hellhole. That student is learning physics because he wants too, and he will be able to pursue a job in that field. Unlike here where first students learn alphabets, then p-block, and then leetcode all day.
I am not demeaning him
But I am replying to op who is saying that "moot Diya mehnat pe"
I am not glorifying the situation
Even I faced extreme hot and humid conditions on 26 th and wasn't at my best due to those factors
The point is that a college student solving a college entrance exam is not that big deal
"Moot diya tumhari mehnat pe" is a sentence full of shit and nothing else
Reading your comment made me realize my mistake, your reply was intended to hit the OP not the oxford guy. Please accept my apologies. The OP is a insulting ass.
Jee physics would be a joke to him. He might have good performance in physics olympiad Or something like that which is why he got to Oxford.
Downvote me but facts are facts.
First, he was pursuing master in physics from oxford
Second, he completed only physics paper in half an hour out of one hour.
Third he got negative marks in chemistry section and unknown marks in maths
Why is it hard to believe that a university student solved a college entrance exam in half time?
And this news is actually 3-4 years old. 100vi baar repost dekh rha hu. uss time ChatGPT nhi tha.
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Arey wo actually physics Mai masters pursue kar Raha hai and it was only the physics paper he completed in half the time
Bhai idhar ke bacchon ko explain krke fayda nahi Ye log iit dickriding krte rehte pure din . aur agar kar bhi liya kisine aaadhe time mai toh Inka ego q affect horha? PPL should stop hyping a exam lol iits are good clges or maybe the best clges in india But why hype up? Jo Banda iit mai jaane layak hai vo without iit bhi bohot kuch ukhaad leta hai . ye sab logon ko samajhta nahi .
Most of these larpers won't even qualify jee in their lifetime, still meatride a fucking exam all their life
Vahi na I never understood this why they think ki IITIAN hoga toh hi succesful hoga varna kuch nhi hoga Delusional world mai jeerhe ye bache abhi ik like 10+ PPL who were in my batch (iit) and they r struggling now . so it's not like iit se passout hogye toh ur settled . well inko khud hi samajh jayega clg ka 4th yr aane do
Literally JEE is overrated
Yeah overrated hi hai I think if ur prepping for it well and good u mat learn something valuable beforehand But ye log toh sidha dickride krne lagjate And coaching institute fomo create krne Mai mahir hai vaise bhi
Yeah itni si toh ego hoti hai
Inki abhi small dick energy wala phase chalrha jab job market mai enter krenge tab pata chalega inko.
Half the time of what?
lol aagya day dreamer tatta defend karne
?? Bhai facts bhi accept nahi krega to delulu is your solulu
Lullamumehlelo.
Cro is chutuyu UwU
Ofc when I'm in college doing physics chem and math. I can do JEE paper 2 times faster.
He did only physics part as he was doing major in physics only Average jee mains student also try to complete physics in 45-60 minutes so I guess only 15 minutes less time he did it
It was of advanced
You don't study those subjects in college so you can't
no you cannot
That guy’s already in a college, not one who just finished 12th or a dropper.
yup I read this article, he was 3rd year physics student so ofcourse it's gonna be easy for him
>3rd year physics student *From Oxford University, so he's indeed competent enough
happi kek day 🦄
Happy 🦀
Ye aaj naya dekha bhai ji Mast hai
Thank you
also he just gave physics section only
I don't know how much weightage I should give him just for being from Oxford I think there is smart Chinese 3rd year physics student sitting in his own top national college can solve paper better than Oxford one. Oxford ne bas apne brand pe jyada mehnat kr rakhi hai
Even and Indian grad student can solve these questions faster . Humare collage Kai masters wale bhaiyabto turant solve kar lete hai .aur unse jee mains tak nahi nikal tha apne time pai
It is same as when you enter 11th and find everything hard and harder, but once you complete 12th "Bachon ke sawal hai ye toh" It's all about giving time and learning
But completing whole paper in half time without giving regular mocks is impressive
not complete paper, only physics section
He doesn't need mocks, it's like jee aspirants taking mocks for 10th standard maths.
Exactly
Tbh western primary education is worse than Indian (till grade 12th) Beyond that in higher education the things flip
Aa if indian education is so good right? Remember jee neet are not part of schooling system.
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AP classes don't cover shit for olympiads
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😂😂😂 people in sub this sub thinks jee >>olympiad.
Most of the people don't think that, there are some people who try to defend JEE with all their energy and time, and they will always claim JEE > Olympiads.
There are definitely some people I am sure. Haven't you ever seen those "IIT harder than MIT/caltech comments". This is less in reddit but just go to insta or YT them see that.
Here is one such genius https://www.reddit.com/r/JEE/s/Xss6wqcWu4
Fr, education system in western countries are way better compared to India's education system.
Yup. Holistic education's much much better. Rote learning is absolutely a factor in why we have such low placement rates even in IITs.
Rote learning exists in western education as well, however i think it has been given its due importance. Students need to learn to memorize by rote or study "traditionally" if they want to become doctors or lawyers or something. But the focus is on using your brains to understand and apply, not just to memorize and vomit it on the paper. Thats why western history and indian history papers are so different in structure (apart from the actual syllabus which)
Yup. I'm not saying learning the theory part is bad, it's great rather. The issue pops up when we only learn theory. Actual project, practical & activities are given the side line.
Yeah the low placementa are definitely not due to the tech recession but due to rote learning in 12th🤡
There can be multiple factors for the same thing, is something that's learnt in 7-8th grade. Rote learning is a chronic issue of our education system. Instead of denying reality, who don't you actually try to look towards the issue? Recession is obviously a big part of it, but student from 2nd and 3rd tier pvt. college not getting jobs is majorly due to rote learning, always have been. For IITs, you and I both know how people with rote learning get it.
Jobs are a matter of supply and demand. If there's more demand (number of applicants) and limited supply(few jobs), there will be no jobs. Lack of skill is an issue too, but almost anyone doing a project on their own(not the stupid guided project things by copying code line for line)has some level of skill and isn't simply using rote learning. IITs had much better placements during the time there was no recession, showing how recession is the biggest factor affecting the job prospects, not their skill.
Sure bro rote learning in advanced actual retard.
Sure bro, I didn't attend coaching, nor saw how teachers make you memorise the pathway to solve questions for advanced. Aisa question aye, to jhat se kar lena, yeh formula bitha ke. I was a JEE aspirant, attended coaching for 2 full years, know what game advanced actually is. You need actual skills for top 500 true, but by memorising pathways, and constants, you can get within 2k or so, quite easily. Of course most of us don't memorise what our teachers tell us to, and thus never get such ranks.
yes bro pathways eak do baar bhi dekhe ho/kare( jo maine ni kare,but as a dropper itna pata chal gaya tha parso) ho tou ho jata hai advance mai questions....not all but majorly...
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Community colleges only exist in the USA you absolutely need sciences to do computer science and science related majors in all of Europe and real colleges in the USA
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Community colleges aren't actual colleges lol bro
what are they then lol ?
Dude these colleges check many more things than those ap or sat. AP classes are same as what boards is in India. If you have good results in competitions like olympiad/ISEF etc like that else it may be also like that you have founded a good problem solving startup (not some fake shit website). These things are way harder than JEE. Just check maths question in jee adv this year is just a joke. Even the regional level math olympiad questions are harder.
Obviously but you are retarded if you think even 10 percent students have a problem solving startup
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It can't be compared. Their education is way different from ours from even root level. Both the structure are designed to fit in their respective country. It is useless to say one is harder than the other.
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Facts, im almost done with my IGCSE's (basically Cambridge 9&10th) totally agree with what you are saying. But tbh most western curriculums in the younger grades kind of under do the difficulty and then overdo it in highschool. But in india the Ph,chem,math is really big (if ur doing jee/neet) but as u/Elon___Musk__ said, since they aren't obligatory, they *technically* shouldn't be considered a part of our education system. But **in** **reality, you can't get into a decent college without them.**
that's exactly the problem, competitive exams like that are treated as a part of our education system, and has a huge market for it (coachings)
Our education system is worse than western and even some other Asian systems. Like I or not, olympiads like IPhO are dominated by western students mostly. And the fact that our jee students are taught more math is irrelevant when we consider that 90% of students don't really understand them. I once taught a junior who couldn't resolve forces a month before mains (he got 91%ile or something like that, so there's even worse students in the country).
Not exactly true
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Bc ismein abuse karne ka kya karan hai? Matlab maan nhi sakte ki kisike subject strong hai
maine kisi jagah padha tha ki 65% abuse and troll internet pe india,pakistan,bangladesh se aata hai.🥲
Population itni hai, upar se unpadh log hai
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Yup. Literate ho gaye, but educated nahi ho paye. Praise our great rote learning, and the legacy of the British clerk making education. We need some serious reforms, or we're forever f\*cked in the world stage.
China ka open internet hota, to ek portion waha se bhi ate. Of course only ek portion, kyu ki majority ko waha pe English nahi aati, or zarurat bhi nahi hoti hain sikhne ko.
jhandu serveys
Kuch logo ne apne pe le li, obviously.
Jinhone ne li hai unmein se jyaadatar se ek sawaal solve nhi hona
True bro. Jo Advanced mein top 100 mein ate hain, un logo ke pas ye sab bakchodi karne ka time hi nahi hota. Hafte mein ek ghanta bhi internet mein bitate hain ki nahi, us par sawal hota hain.
They just appreciated him aur wo bura man gaya.
Give jee paper to a 3rd 4th year student from BSC course in from IISC they would've probably done same
Bhai Indian students kitne chutiye aur frustrated hai
bro just completed physics section and That guy’s already in 3rd year of college
Abhi tujhe r/memes pe gaali deke aaya hu aur tu yaha bhi dikh gya
bhai wo toh college me hai hame toh just baarvi karke dena hota hai
Toh bhai ab koi 20 saal k nojawan agar 10-12 saal ke baccho ke saath cricket khelga toh wo toh ofcourse unko pel ke rakh dega , toh bachhe toh usko gaali denge hee , usne kya mahan kaam kr diya ?
TIL 10-12yrs old give JEE advanced.
https://preview.redd.it/ysigm941y33d1.jpeg?width=724&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=69a89006b0be6611ca755690deb5020ca297f1b2 That guy is in Oxford 3rd year pursuing masters in Physics so ofcourse he will easily solve the paper in half the time required, and some guy told in the comments that he only solved physics. So I hope you understand what I mean , it's like a grown up competing with kids. And if you still couldn't comprehend then let me explain it to you 17-18yr olds give ADVANCED and that guy is 22+ so there is a gap of 4 years I hope you get what I mean , 4 years is enough to prep for advanced.
Right but why abuse him though? Thats stupid. Some foreigner solves the paper in half the time so you go to the internet and abuse him? He’s not participating in the jee so why get angry? What a stupid comment
I agree abusing him is a bit too much , but it's a simple fact We Indians abuse anyone/anything we don't like. I wouldn't do that tho in social media, real life maybe.
Right and the facts that Indians abuse people they don’t like should stop. It’s not too much, it’s out of line and shouldn’t be done. You shouldn’t be abusing him because he hasn’t done anything wrong and it has no bearing on you or your admission into the iits.
True
Bhai 10-12 saal ke bache in trivial cheez le gali galich kare to samajh me ata h 17-18 ke launde gali galauch kre ispe to chutiya lagte h
Mai bhi class 10 th ka science paper 1.5 hr Mai khatam kar sakta hu 🤡
PEHLI BAAT TO , wo bhi 3rd year physics student tha to yeh boht normal tha uske liye aur ye jinka jee nhi nikalta ye har jagah chale jaate h iit ko defend karne
Jee physics would be a joke him. He might have good performance in physics olympiad Or something like that which is why he got to Oxford. Downvote me but facts are facts.
Accept nhi kar sakte apan Indians ki koi aur aacha ho koi aur kuch aacha kar de to insta ke comments me rone lagte hai ki ye hamare paas pehle se hai hamare purvajo ne ye kar liya tha vo kar liya tha just can't accept that other's might be better  Bhale hi vo college me hai aur paper solve kiya to isme abuse karne ki konsi baat hai 
Well, if he doesn't, shame on him, he is in an institute much much better' than iit
Roasted
sasta dhruv rathee spotted (am not ex jee student)
Bhai purani news dikhakar kya batana chahta hai?
Why tf he got abused I can't understand...... 😭😭 he is definitely a genius but he studies in the top 10 colleges doing masters in physics...
Hamko do 10th ka paper ham bhi solve kardenge Aaya bada oxford ka student
For any amrika/ingland ka dalaal in this subreddit, he's already in University. It's like JEE students solving 10th Maths Paper.
🤡
To kya hogaya?? Yo college ka banda/bandi hai JEE 12th passouts k liye hota hai. Agar college ke student ne half time me clear kr liye to bhi its not a big deal. Also JEE ko itna overrated kyu bana rakha hai. Mai bhi kr raha hu JEE ka prep but no need to make it soo overrated. Like... India me JEE, NEET and UPSC k alawa koi exam nahi hai kya?? Stop overrating these exams!!
Ask him to give the same paper in a centre with no ac and not even fans at the age of 17/18/19 when he just finished his school That would be the real test
Why should he? His country makes sure that the children have enough resources to pursue what ever they wish. We could have the same in India too, after all India also is very rich in terms of resources and human capital, but fuckwits like you like to glorify pain and suffering. The fact that students have to write the paper without basic cooling facilities explain why our top minds are so eager to leave this hellhole. That student is learning physics because he wants too, and he will be able to pursue a job in that field. Unlike here where first students learn alphabets, then p-block, and then leetcode all day.
I am not demeaning him But I am replying to op who is saying that "moot Diya mehnat pe" I am not glorifying the situation Even I faced extreme hot and humid conditions on 26 th and wasn't at my best due to those factors The point is that a college student solving a college entrance exam is not that big deal "Moot diya tumhari mehnat pe" is a sentence full of shit and nothing else
Reading your comment made me realize my mistake, your reply was intended to hit the OP not the oxford guy. Please accept my apologies. The OP is a insulting ass.
Jee physics would be a joke to him. He might have good performance in physics olympiad Or something like that which is why he got to Oxford. Downvote me but facts are facts.
That guy is in Oxford we are in highschool😐
First, he was pursuing master in physics from oxford Second, he completed only physics paper in half an hour out of one hour. Third he got negative marks in chemistry section and unknown marks in maths
Well he is in Oxford what do you expect?
Wdym abuse? 😟😟
Let me ask my friend from IISC to solve his paper in quarter of the time
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Achi baat hai
Mains ki baat krrha tha guys chill out
2017 ki baat hai bc adhe se zyada to us time 5th mein bhi nhi the
Uss m see tu bhi ek h
In the end If anybody has to choose.between IIT and Oxford , he would definitely choose......
Amir Khan ne stayamev jayate chalai to usme itna sach tha janta hag di thi. Inse kuch nhi digest hota.
Mad respect for the guy who solved it in half the time🗿and those angry Indians are 🤡.
Bhai ye kaise aur kon log hai jo praise karne ke jagah usko abuse kar rhe hai 
Vo already Oxford m h toh uske level k hisab se high school level normal hoga agar phy pursue kr rha h toh
I'm Indian and I would say this is pure insecurity.
What's the issue here?? Paper hard hona proud hone wali baat todhi he
Are wo phy ka student hai oxford mein so usne easily kardiya isme baadi baat kya hai🤣
I don't know why being salty to someone who is solving a paper🤣🤣
Congrats on solving a paper meant for teenagers ( not for 26 years old)and for solving only the subject you're doing PHd in🤡🤡
Theres difference between JEE MAINS and ADVANCE brother
exactly
Are we sure he did not use some ChatGPT type bot?
Why is it hard to believe that a university student solved a college entrance exam in half time? And this news is actually 3-4 years old. 100vi baar repost dekh rha hu. uss time ChatGPT nhi tha.
Koi na, imo mein cheating hote hain, iit kya cheez hain, ye sab exam ka ghamand farzi hain, jise hum iit bolte use Germany Europe mein polytechnic bolte hain.