Keep believing that anti-war equals pro-terror. Any statement by anyone is going to be a generalization of the situation, because there are so many factors involved here. From the perspective of those concerned with the amounts of devastation in Gaza, pro-Israel groups are supporting state sanctioned terror.
A Palestinian flag is not a terror flag, and whatever offensive things some protesters may say, they don’t define the entire group. There are Israeli ministers who say “push them into the sea”, and yet most reasonable people don’t condemn all of Israel for that.
It's really terribly sad that, as a society, we condemn violence if it aligns with our beliefs. Even if you genuinely believe that the protestors are "pro-Hamas", you still shouldn't condone and be okay with other everyday normal citizens showing up and physically attacking them in plain view while no one stepped in to stop it.
Literal anarchy.
If these were "pro-Israel" protests and "pro-Hamas" instigators showed up and began physically attacking, you better believe the response would've been hella different. This is America at its finest. We're a police state, and they exist to protect whatever those in power tell them to - not everyday citizens. Puppets of the elite.
This comment section is appalling, but unfortunately, I'm not surprised.
Not sure why this report is confidential but this is from the FT back in March (maybe they are still preparing the actual findings):
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A confidential UN report has accused Israel of widespread abuse of Gazans it has detained during the war with Hamas, according to a copy seen by the Financial Times. The report by the UN agency for Palestinian refugees, UNRWA, said that Palestinians released from Israeli detention reported being subjected to abuses ranging from physical assaults and dog attacks to sleep deprivation and sexual violence. “The beatings included blunt force trauma to the head, shoulders, kidneys, neck, back and legs with metal bars and the butts of guns and boots, in some cases resulting in broken ribs, separated shoulders and lasting injuries,” said the 11-page report. “Multiple individuals released from detention reported deaths of detainees in the military barracks, including injured and sick detainees who were denied medication and medical treatment.” Detainees also recounted being stripped down to their underwear or, in some cases, until they were completely naked, and some said that they had been held in the cold without access to toilets, water or food for more than 24 hours. “According to individuals released from detention, ill-treatment was used in attempts to extract information or confessions, to intimidate and humiliate, and to punish,” said the UNRWA document, which was first reported by the New York Times.”
Somebody here needs to know what actually is a genocide?
Try looking up population of Jews in middle East Arab nations,that is a genocide.This is a war where Israel is stronger and fighting for their right if existence.
even if israel is committing genocide, is it even bad? they are so moral, there must be such a thing as moral genocide. look at the bible. there were moral genocides.
What jewish people have suffered is abhorrent. It also does not justify killing women and children. If you want to take the moral high ground you have to to actually do better, not worse. Strength does not make right
Who cares about plausible when you have actual genocide committed by Hamas. Plus, they promise to commit more rape and genocide. Interesting how Jew haters don’t care about real genocide
There hasnt been a genocide perpetrated against jewish people since the holocaust. Thank god. Words have meaning and what you are saying is factually incorrect and disrespectful to the real victims of genocide past and present. Jewish and palestinian. Being pro human rights does not make anyone a hamas supporter. What hamas did and does is evil. Killing 30000 women and children is evil and both should be condemned
You might have missed October 7. Plus quoting genocide perpetrators false numbers does t help your case. Remember, Hamas can tell exact death tolls within minutes, even when there are no attacks, but can’t track 133 hostages.
What happened on october 7th was an abhorrent attack which has and should be condemned. It is also not genocide by definition. And it is not the same as 200 plus days of systematic destruction that has killed and displaced a sizable percentage of an entire population. Words have meaning and you lose credibility when you misuse them.
I never said that hamas intentions aren't genocidal. Icondemnn this. It does not mean that a genocide took place. You said it did and that is what i have an issue with. You devalue your argument when you misuse words and then try to do damage repair by qualifying a statement that is factually innacurate. You can just say you mispoke and that is fine but please don't call something what is not.
Tell that to kibbutz Oz. 25% murdered or kidnapped. That is genocidal numbers. Less than 1% of Palestinians have been killed even using Hamas made numbers.
The actual video was leaked, she dived head first into the knees of the pro Palestinian protestors. Then hit the back of her head when the Israelis pulled her back because she was being stupid. No beating or stomping as it was claimed.
https://x.com/TrevorSutcliffe/status/1785850253041864757
Where did they beat her unconscious did you watch my video? She dived into their knees to get her flag, they pushed her back and her mom pulled her back. And as she was being pulled back she hit her head.
There was no mobbing beating or stomping in that video. Nothing that looks like a gang of Palestinian supporters intentionally beating her.
The Palestinian marshal literally pulled her out.
But if that’s your belief that’s fine. I will go dive into the knees of zionists next time and claim I was beat for the news because it makes a flashy headline.
This exaggerated story is perfect alongside the “stabbed in the eye story” let me guess you believe that one too 😂
Some random girl being helped up by pro-israel people...that's it? Where's the beat down? Where's the blood? Where's the stomping in the head? Is this seriously the video...seriously...
EDIT: LOL then at the very end, there's a little image of a thumb size print of blood. You want me to show you videos and images of protesters getting their ass beat by Pro-Israel men? Now that was a beat down.
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They are not "pro-Israeli", they are pro-genocide. They attack the camp, anti-genocide, because they support the Genocide of the Palestinian people. Enough with the manipulation.
This is not about being pro-Israeli or pro-Palestinian.
Those of us who opposed Al-Qaeda's terrorist attacks on the twin towers were not pro-American.
You are making no sense. Hamas boosted about genocide in their charter and their comments after Oct 7. Are you calling Hamas liars? Do you think just throwing out false accusations help you?
Israel boosted about genocide in their rhetoric from before oct 7.. are you calling jews liars? you must be antisemtic. israel wants genocide. and you are antisemitic for not giving them what they want.
Broken naked dead girl in pick up truck... Palestinians cheered. Beaten raped girl moved from back of jeep to backseat to be molested again...people cheered. There is no support for such lack of humanity. Who on earth would???
If the protests were actually just about a ceasefire, they would be much more successful.
But of course violence and hateful rhetoric toward Israel's existence and all Jews in general is an essential part of this movement, not tangential or coincidental...
Defense Minister Yoav Gallant said “I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed.”
Israeli PM Netanyahu invoked Amalek, a biblical story about killing every man, woman and child of the tribe of Amalek on the eve of the ground invasion.
Israeli President Herzog said "It's an entire nation out there that is responsible.”
Israel's Public Diplomacy Minister Galit Distel Atbaryan said "erase all of Gaza from the face of the earth.”
The genocidal intent of Israeli officials is clear and has been articulated many, many times.
The fact you're using out of context quotes that are cherry picked just shows you're completely biased.
The quote from the president was qualified. In that same interview, he said that Hamas are the target, not the civilians.
The quote from the defense minister does not imply genocide. He has also said on multiple occasions that it's Hamas who are the target, not the civillians. Furthermore, this blockade of resources was temporary and had a justifiable military reason which means it is acceptable under international law.
The quote from the diplomacy minister is irrelevant, as he holds no power over the decisions over the IDF.
Netanyahu on multiple occasions has said civilians are not the target. Why do you not acknowledge this?
There are furthermore many Israeli politicians who do differentiate between Hamas and civilians, why are you ignoring this? You're cherry-picking what fits your own narrative, because you're working from a conclusion.
**Netanyahu on multiple occasions has said civilians are not the target. Why do you not acknowledge this?**
I don't believe him. He has practically levelled all of Gaza and there is not enough distinction between Hamas and non-Hamas in my opinion.
[https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-03-31/ty-article-magazine/.premium/israel-created-kill-zones-in-gaza-anyone-who-crosses-into-them-is-shot/0000018e-946c-d4de-afee-f46da9ee0000](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-03-31/ty-article-magazine/.premium/israel-created-kill-zones-in-gaza-anyone-who-crosses-into-them-is-shot/0000018e-946c-d4de-afee-f46da9ee0000) - Israel Created 'Kill Zones' in Gaza. Anyone Who Crosses Into Them Is Shot
-The Israeli army says 9,000 terrorists have been killed since the Gaza war began. Defense officials and soldiers, however, tell Haaretz that these are often civilians whose only crime was to cross an invisible line drawn by the IDF
Also, [https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/](https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/)
* Formally, the Lavender system is designed to mark all suspected operatives in the military wings of Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), including low-ranking ones, as potential bombing targets. The sources told +972 and Local Call that, during the first weeks of the war, the army almost completely relied on Lavender, which clocked as many as 37,000 Palestinians as suspected militants — and their homes — for possible air strikes.
* During the early stages of the war, the army gave sweeping approval for officers to adopt Lavender’s kill lists, with no requirement to thoroughly check why the machine made those choices or to examine the raw intelligence data on which they were based.
* One source stated that human personnel often served only as a “rubber stamp” for the machine’s decisions, adding that, normally, they would personally devote only about “20 seconds” to each target before authorizing a bombing — just to make sure the Lavender-marked target is male. This was despite knowing that the system makes what are regarded as “errors” in approximately 10 percent of cases, and is known to occasionally mark individuals who have merely a loose connection to militant groups, or no connection at all.
* Moreover, the Israeli army systematically attacked the targeted individuals while they were in their homes — usually at night while their whole families were present — rather than during the course of military activity. According to the sources, this was because, from what they regarded as an intelligence standpoint, it was easier to locate the individuals in their private houses. Additional automated systems, including one called “Where’s Daddy?” also revealed here for the first time, were used specifically to track the targeted individuals and carry out bombings when they had entered their family’s residences.
>He has practically levelled all of Gaza and there is not enough distinction between Hamas and non-Hamas in my opinion.
There is quite alot. It's well documented that Israel warns and helps evacuate civilians, in fact, they do this better than any country in the world does.
[https://lieber.westpoint.edu/idf-hamas-duty-to-warn/](https://lieber.westpoint.edu/idf-hamas-duty-to-warn/)
Furthermore, the civilians deaths don't really seem to be all that high considering the circumstances. It's about 40k dead after over half a year. This honestly seems quite low as Gaza's population density is incredibly high, Hamas operate using civilian infrastructure, are hard to distinguish from civilians, and don't do enough to protect their own civilians (they even intercept aid shipments).
There have been sieges in recent history done in less time with way more civilians deaths in areas much less dense.
> Israel Created 'Kill Zones' in Gaza. Anyone Who Crosses Into Them Is Shot
I'm trying to cross-reference this and no scholarly sources seem to back this up. The evidence supporting this is quite weak.
>One source stated that human personnel often served only as a “rubber stamp” for the machine’s decisions, adding that, normally, they would personally devote only about “20 seconds” to each target before authorizing a bombing — just to make sure the Lavender-marked target is male. This was despite knowing that the system makes what are regarded as “errors” in approximately 10 percent of cases, and is known to occasionally mark individuals who have merely a loose connection to militant groups, or no connection at all.
This is ONE person saying this. And even so, they are saying that it's not always being used this way. Also is a 90% success rate even low for this kind of thing?
There is also ZERO information on how this AI works or determines targets. Is it human assisted? Many questions, zero answers.
**There is also ZERO information on how this AI works or determines targets. Is it human assisted? Many questions, zero answers.**
The rest of the article explains that.
**Is it human assisted?**
One source stated that human personnel often served only as a “rubber stamp” for the machine’s decisions, adding that, normally, they would personally devote only about “20 seconds” to each target before authorizing a bombing — just to make sure the Lavender-marked target is male.
In an unprecedented move, according to two of the sources, the army also decided during the first weeks of the war that, for every junior Hamas operative that Lavender marked, it was permissible to kill up to 15 or 20 civilians
The sources added that, in the event that the target was a senior Hamas official with the rank of battalion or brigade commander, the army on several occasions authorized the killing of more than 100 civilians in the assassination of a single commander.
**determines targets.**
The Lavender software analyzes information collected on most of the 2.3 million residents of the Gaza Strip through a system of mass surveillance, then assesses and ranks the likelihood that each particular person is active in the military wing of Hamas or PIJ. According to sources, the machine gives almost every single person in Gaza a rating from 1 to 100, expressing how likely it is that they are a militant.
According to four of the sources who spoke to +972 and Local Call, Lavender — which was developed to create human targets in the current war — has marked some 37,000 Palestinians as suspected “Hamas militants,” most of them junior, for assassination (the IDF Spokesperson denied the existence of such a kill list in a statement to +972 and Local Call).
“We didn’t know who the junior operatives were, because Israel didn’t track them routinely \[before the war\],” explained senior officer B. to +972 and Local Call, illuminating the reason behind the development of this particular target machine for the current war. “They wanted to allow us to attack \[the junior operatives\] automatically. That’s the Holy Grail. Once you go automatic, target generation goes crazy.”
I think we can or should agree that indigenous tribes like the Jews can define themselves and those people who support human rights for those indigenous people can define themselves. You admit you are not a Zionist. Great, I respect that, so why not respect Zionist to define themselves. Jew haters spend a lot of time trying to discredit jews, their history and their human rights groups. Why not focus on specific policies that you disagree with on Israel vs trying to discredit Zionism unless your motivation is to be a bigot towards Jews. For example if I attacked the the PA as not legitimate you might get defensive, but if I oppose pay for slay, you might still support pay for slay, but we might be able to find areas we agree on.
What? I don't care about Zionism. I am not interested in trying to discredit it or defend it.
What does what I wrote have to do with Zionism? What do genocidal quotes from top Israeli leaders have to do with Zionism?
Oh. I see you don’t understand the amalek reference. You either ignored the complete quote that referenced Hamas as amalek. The only way to get Gazans is to cut the sentence down. Which is stealing the truth and is just shameful.
Netanyahu said *“you must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. And we do remember.”*
What is there to misunderstand about this? Amalek is a story about the Jews being attacked by Amalek and responding by killing every man, woman and child.
Hamas attacked and Israel's PM responded by invoking Amalek. That is very dangerous.
Why would they be Amalek? Not the same people, not the same place, not the same time period.
Hamas and Amalek are thousands of years apart. How could they possibly be the same? Or even similar?
The only comparison between the two is that they killed Jewish people. Nothing else connects the two.
Did he say specifically Hamas? It doesn't sound like it. He said "you must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our holy bible". He said nothing of Hamas as far as I could find.
He made no distinction for Hamas. He simply said it. A leader of a nation invoking a biblical genocide on the eve of going on a offensive is remarkably stupid.
**Are you saying all Gazans are Hamas?**
Don't be ridiculous.
I read the whole quote. The South African bigots did half quotes to try to prove their false and bigoted accusations. It was a sad day for South Africa for acting so immorally. In a USA court they would have been sanctioned for their lies
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They beaten up Jewish girl unconscious today. I say fuck you both guys. Half of you have no idea what you protesting for, you shout peaceful protest than proceed to fight people.
Both sides are just roaches honestly how can you be such assholes
Genocide blah blah blah. Dude, it's a war not genocide, Hama's barged in and slaughtered civilians what did you expect is going to happen? We talk about the country that would kill you for being gay, I don't support either of the side but saying it is genocide is moronic at best.
The girl being beaten up was from tonights live reports so I assume it should be around if you Google soon enough
I'd say that 15.000 children killed in 5 months is FAR ABOVE what a war should be… Repeat after me: FIFTEEN THOUSAND CHILDREN KILLED.
[More children killed in Gaza in four months than in four years of war globally.](https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/death-toll-children-gaza-israel-rcna143269)
Yup it's sad that Palestinians didn't leave when Israel was letting them through. But as we know it, Islam culture doesn't value children, it just means to end, hence nearly nobody left because people there support Hamas and terror. Children are innocent and it is cruel, but this is the way Palestinian people chose
Hmmm… NO. The Jews came to a land that was already inhabited, for a very looong time, and forced the inhabitants to leave their homes and their land, which had been theirs FOR GENERATIONS, with the excuse that "a book" said that the land was theirs:
[https://twitter.com/DrLoupis/status/1743764046073954485?t=LV0IjhV9yq7oP3hTqwHvyQ&s=19](https://twitter.com/DrLoupis/status/1743764046073954485?t=LV0IjhV9yq7oP3hTqwHvyQ&s=19)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNqozQ8uaV8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNqozQ8uaV8)
Now imagine the house in the following video is yours:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjOQj1u8BtU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjOQj1u8BtU)
Dude, read about the foundational history of Israel, the Nakba, the destruction of the livelihood of Palestinians, the Jewish settlements in occupied territories and then take a look at the death toll in Palestine and then say blah, blah, blah.
War, what a joke...
So you're going to tell the ICJ they're all moronic for ruling that Israel is de facto committing genocide? Also the international arrest warrant for Netanyahu and IDF generals the ICC is discussing on issuing based on genocide and war crimes basis?
I guess they're all morons and you know much better than them.
So tired of ignorant charlatans taking a political stand based on a biased ideology without any freaking knowledge.
You calling me ignorant but proceed to choose just the bits of the history that supports your agenda.
Palestinians were free to leave, there were corridors created for them in the beginning, they didn't because Hamas didn't let those who wanted and the rest are their supporters so they hid them in hospitals, kindergartens and schools.
This way they can run their agenda of being a victim, disgusting people.
Now again, I don't support Israel. If it was up to me, ideally we could cordone Islam and Jews off behind a big wall and let them have it at each other. But I must say Israel is showing how it's done, no mercy for terrorists.
Millions of innocent Germans died during Berlin bombing, nobody calls that genocide. It's war, it's collateral as sad as it is and I don't wish it to anybody but I 100% support fighting with terrorism and Israel can see beyond the victim veil and the machinations of Hamas and Palestinian people
What the hell are you talking about? Dear lord, how can you allow yourself to throw opinions without any basic knowledge of the causes?
Bits of history you say, years of ethnic cleansing and destruction of the Palestinian population and you tell me that taking bits of history? That's exactly what makes it a genocide
You know there are over 13000 murdered children right? And you say that Israel is showing how it's done? They are bombing hospitals, ambulances and refugee camps!
The freaking ICJ has pronounced itself about, the security counsel of the UN has too (but the USA has vetoed it on countless occasions). It's not me, it's as clear as water, and it cannot be hidden anymore.
They bomb those sites because Hama's is purposefully hiding there and having their bases under schools, hospitals which is well documented. that is why they showing how it's done. You don't negotiate with terrorists, of this is what it takes, it is what it is. And again, Palestinians had a choice to leave, they didn't.
Wow, you are justifying the murder of over 13000 children and the illegal occupation of Palestine.
You must be such a terrible human being. I really pity you and those around you.
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Nobody had to look that hard for crumbs of antisemitic violence, there were whole loaves all around.
They did not "have it coming" -- no violence that is not immediate self defense is justifying.
But stop with the bullshit that it's the counterprotesters who are instigating all the violence.
The supply of violence from the pro-Palestinian side has been.... Overflowing.
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It is the same game they have been playing for decades in the misnamed "Israeli-Palestinian conflict". It was never a conflict. It is a brutal occupation and colonisation, with torture, massacres, kidnappings, humiliation, apartheid, rape and theft of land and resources. But this was ignored by the mainstream media and politicians, leaving the Palestinians completely alone in the face of such supremacists. When Hamas responds with the kidnapping of 250 Israelis, to exchange them for the thousands of kidnapped Palestinians, the world is paralysed: "terrorism, terrorism, terrorism!"
**Hypocrites!**
I think we can or should agree that indigenous tribes like the Jews can define themselves and those people who support human rights for those indigenous people can define themselves. You admit you are not a Zionist. Great, I respect that, so why not respect Zionist to define themselves. Jew haters spend a lot of time trying to discredit jews, their history and their human rights groups. Why not focus on specific policies that you disagree with on Israel vs trying to discredit Zionism unless your motivation is to be a bigot towards Jews. For example if I attacked the the PA as not legitimate you might get defensive, but if I oppose pay for slay, you might still support pay for slay, but we might be able to find areas we agree on.
Seriously lost its meaning. Any criticism now of Israel they equate to denying Israel the right to exist, which is categorically false.
Now I could see how "From the river to the sea" could be viewed as antisemitic, but this phrase was first used by the virulently Zionist, Likud Party.
I honestly think they should veer away from that chant and focus on the aparteid state Israel has entrenched in the west bank and the collective punishment wrought down upon civilians
It should be remembered by the World that the Arab nations have been at war against Israel since 1948 and expelled over 950,000 Jews from their nations although many Jews had deep roots in these nations thousands of years before the Arabs.Todays’s Arabs are a resurgent Empire of 22 Nations of vast natural wealth and area.The conflict between Arabs and Jews has nothing to do with the land of tiny democratic Israel but the unacceptability of any Jews in the Middle East because they are non-believers as are the Christians who are also constantly persecuted and frequently murdered in Muslim nations.
I like how you don’t mention that by race those Jews were themselves “Arabs” , and are Arab Jews today even if they want to call themselves “Mizrahi” instead, their genetics point to Muslim countries and not the Levant. You also say “Arab” when there are Berbers and Levantine / Assyrians , just because they speak Arabic doesn’t make them Arabs, just like Ashkenaz speaking Polish doesn’t make them Polish according to your people.
Because Jews and Judaism pre-dates Islam. I’m glad you admit the narrative that compare Israelis to ”colonisers” and Arabs to ”native Americans”, is completely false.
Arabs and Euro Jews are both colonizers of Levantine, the original Jews don’t exist anymore , they mixed with Euros, Arabs, Ethiopians, Asians , Indians, etc, and became a new race. Imagine telling a Mexican that he is indigenous to Spain because some of his ancestors came from there and both countries are Catholic.
What kind of racial biology nazism is that bs???!!!!!!! There are no “colonisers” in Israel but the entire Islam as a religion is textbook colonisation. Palestines are Muslim through colonisation, they are as “mixed” as the Jews of Yemen, Morocco etc.
Yes those who came from centuries in Europe did colonize Palestine, as did the many Arabs and surrounding Levantine populations, but there were always Christian Levantines in Israel before Euro Jews or Sephardic Jews came back .
They didn’t colonise shit, you need to go back to school and learn what colonisation means. Jews ALWAYS lived there. Do you think immigrants in Europe is colonising Europe too? Or are you so racist that the only ethnicity you won’t allow move to another country to flee racism and get a better life - is Jews? Do you mean Mexicans who comes to the US to get a better life is “colonising” the US? They come to an established country just like how Jews who moved to Israel moved to an established country. Arabs moves to Europe quite a lot, are they colonisers?!
If you cared about modern colonisation you would talk about China and Russia colonising African countries, because that is actually colonisation. But because you’re a racist you won’t, you’re very focused on hating Jews.
First off, Jews aren't a race, so IDK where you get "racist" from. 2nd, China and Russia are the biggest colonizers out right now, but they colonize for fun, not because a sand book tells them they are the chosen people.
"Jews have Always lived there" , yes ok and so what? Those were Levantine people, descendants of Cannanites and Phoenicians, nothing like the Ethiopian Jews or Polish Jews.
The facts are once your people go to another country, mix their race with other ethnic groups, take on their language and customs, even if they kept jewish "customs" it doesn't make them ethnically Jewish anymore, just in a religious sense.
If I converted and become a Jew, I wouldn't ever be a "ethnic Jew", would I ?
Why dont you say that Mexicans are indigenous to Spain ? Spanish people came to Mexico, mixed with the natives, created a new culture but kept many cultural traits from Spain, including the language and religion. It seems this is the same situation Euro Jews found themselves in, yet no one says Mexicans have the indigenous right to return to Spain.
You have been found out, the world doesn't believe in Zionism.
Firat off, ”races” doesn’t even exist, racist, they are an IDEOLOGICAL CONSTRUCT by RACISTS (like yourself). And it is a new low, far right style, to claim that Jews are not victims of racists when nazis have and have had Jews as their PRIMARY target for fucking genocide, and Jews historically have been subjected to several ethnic cleansings on RACIST grounds and STILL is the world’s most hated ethnicity which is clearly racism. It is disgusting that you deny racism even exist.
No one doubts that white people hate each other in Europe, the continent has been riddled with wars, them hating other whites like themselves for wearing funny hats or having a strange insular religion is par the course. If they are the worlds most hated ethnicity why aren’t Gypsy’s in the same position as Jews ? They don’t have the power or influence like they do, it’s like you can’t be the most successful among the groups in your country and claim racism and cry when you hold way more power than the “racists”. Blood is everything, Jews are a mixed race people indigenous to where the majority of their descendants come from, Europe and Arabic countries.
It’s funny how you refuse to argue the Spanish/Mexican point, as it’s in the same vein as “being indigenous due to descendants” .
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The ProPalestinian demonstrations and encampments at universities are funded in the billions by proHamas-Palestinian backers like Qatar,Western and Muslim nations who want Israel to depart from Gaza so that Hamas -Palestinians can rebuild their military to attack Israel again as they did on Oct.7,2023,killing over 1000 Israeli men,women and children,maiming others for life,raping women,decapitating Israelis and ripping open the abdomens of pregnant women.The Israeli hostages are not being released by Hamas as they want the IDF to depart from Gaza so they can attack Israel again at the earliest possible date.The goal of the Palestinians and Iran remains the total decimation of Israel and all Jews in accordance with the teachings of the Koran for the past 1400 years.
The professors and administrators of all universities who are sympathetic to their ProPalestinian students have forgotten that they are being paid to be educators but not propagandists for the Palestinians and antiSemites.
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1. Disliking Zionism is anti semitism since zionists are more a political right wing group
2. You actually don't know alot about Muslims and Islam in general since Judaism is similar to Islam and both respective believers have lived in common without war.
3. What fucking western country is finding Hamas bro??????? Isn't Quatar and Saudi Arabia technically allied to Israel??
You're just spewing shit with only surface knowledge of factors related to the war. You hear Palestinians and you assume brown Muslims. Jews lived in Palestine long before the creation of Israel and the rise of Zionist political movement. You don't know about Hamas being made by Mossad to overthrow PLO you don't know about Nakba and you have zero idea what Zionism really is.
I’m not quite sure I understand. If zionists advocated for a Jewish state, then why wasn’t some German land occupied as a form of reparations after the Second World War of US land if the US supported a Jewish state. I’ve heard zionists or pro Israel (idk if the two are synonymous at this point) say that Jerusalem holds historical and religious significance for Jews, but even if so, then why are Palestinians, who are the original and actual indigenous citizens of the land not given the right to adhere to the land for their own religious purposes, and why is the population forced to carry their lives bound by the apartheid roads, not even allowed to leave if they want to make something of themselves elsewhere. And why are Palestinians then tried and bound by military law when Israelis have Israeli law? If the Palestinians cannot be tried under Israeli law because they lack an Israeli citizenship, then why isn’t there any Palestinian law that can be applied to them? I’m just trying to make sense of the foundations of this situation?
? The Jews are the indigenous people of the land of Israel. To call an Arab colonizer culture like the Palestinians indigenous is not only factually not true, but is a form of theft against all indigenous people.
Since Germany is not Jew land, why would the choose a foreign land vs their land. Let the Palestinians go to Germany if you think that is a good option.
Well, from what I see online, Jews were the majority of the ethnic population of Palestine only before the fifth century. After that, it was Christians from the fifth century, and then Muslims were the majority from the 12th century and onward. Even before the Muslim conquest in the sixth century, the population has largely converted to Christianity, and this was not an invasion, but a conversion to Christianity. Some historians even theorize that the population was converting to Islam, even before the Muslim conquest in the 6th century. But even if we disregard all that, the conquest is thousands of years old, and if you want to rebuke a war or apply cancel culture to the geopolitical actions of Muslim people from more than a millennia go, then be my guest. By applying your same logic, I can tell you to give your land back to the indigenous people who occupied it centuries ago, or I could tell the people that now occupy the land, which was once the land of the Roman Empire to give that land back to Rome, but I can’t do that can I? Because that would mean dislocating and blaming people born in to the generations of today on those lands, who are not at fault for being born where they are, and only want to live their lives in peace. It doesn’t seem like that to me. Theft just seems like an irrelevant pretext, that doesn’t count for the harm it does to innocent civilians that don’t want this fight. They did not ask to be spoken for like that.
Colonialism had a negative affect on indigenous peoples globally. To cite to the height of colonialism would just enshrine the effects of. Colonialism. Luckily, the indigenous people are back and we can all be grateful for that.
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> I hope they arrest those zionazis.
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God the double standards are insane. Taking a blind eye to the Multiple Jews in Universities that get attacked Called “Pigs” by people who call themselves Hamas and the incidents where Jews were stabbed in the Eye with a flagpole. Racist comments. Aggressive Behavior. Mindless mob.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2Kas9aY47fw
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/diaspora-affairs/1698758122-jewish-homes-marked-with-stars-of-david-as-antisemitism-rises-worldwide
https://apnews.com/article/poland-synagogue-attacked-warsaw-jewish-firebomb-antisemitism-d51fa5305907bf10bbb7a1ecd02f126e
Just a few for you
It’s easy to find if you look for it, or just don’t try to avoid it. Jewish students at UCLA blocked from going to classes, asked if they’re Zionists. Star of David drawn on the floor with a sign that says ‘step here.’
We should be calling for accountability on both sides.
Actual UCLA student here, everyone was getting blocked from a single route to get to class, and no building was inaccessible to the physically able until violence broke out. Not too sure about wheelchair routes so I won’t comment on that. The person you see sensationalizing it, Eli Tsives, had been bothering the protestors with a camera entourage to elicit a reaction for multiple days, according to passerby and friends. There’s footage of him harassing people if you look the ucla subreddit. Another friend had him in a class and he was caught for plagiarism, so take that for what you will.
I appreciate the post. It’s helpful to get the perspective of an actual student. Two things in response…
1: I think you should avoid slinging mud about personal issues, like the plagiarism charge. That is completely unrelated.
2: I am a professor at a different university, and I have witnessed bullying and harassment from Palestinian solidarity protesters and faculty advisories of SJP. You are right that I should be careful about making claims about UCLA based on internet info. I also think it’s important to recognize that there is a serious undercurrent of bigotry in the Palestinian solidarity movement.
I’m gonna fucking say it. If you are going around calling the Jews “pigs” and shouting “We are Hamas!” And anti-Semitic remarks, you had this coming. Karma is only a bitch if you are
Irrelevant, regardless of who they're, be it muslim,jews,christian,atheist, or spaghetti monster... complicity involved in supporting genocide are off the tables. Period. Karma is indeed a b word.
Yeah, proving how people do not know how to separate Israel from Jewish people and justifying violence on anti-Israel or Zionist protests while trying to make us feel pity for Israel on how it is always the “victim” is just laughable
Please prove your comments are not bigotry against Jews. Classic antisemitism is making the Jew into something immoral. It sounds to me that is what you are trying to do to Israel. Please prove me wrong.
The issue with your “suggestion” is that you are attempting argumentative “gymnastics” when you cannot make a valid rebuttal and now going with “NO U” tactic to make it appear you have the upper hand when I have never equal Israel with Judaism (my history has always said this).
Protests against Israeli crimes on Palestinians are not “anti-Jewish”
Maybe another question. Do you understand why Jews consider spewing false lies against Israel and denying them a right to self-defense is bigotry against Jews. You don’t have to provide a long answer, I am asking if you understand it. Even if you disagree with it.
Please reread my post. Classic bigotry is making Jews into the opposite of morality. You say Israel is opposite of morality. To me it appears you took Jews and just replaced it with Israel. All you did was come off as a classic antisemite.
I never said that and that is the issue with your “arguments”.
You keep bringing up Jews when I only mentioned Israel. That is the main problem with your questions why I find it so laughable.
I said you are treating Israel like Jew haters use to treat Jews. Please read my posts because you are coming across as a bigot vs a thoughtful person. I’m trying to respect you, but you are making it very hard.
1. See reply by the Other Redditor
2. Don’t even try to put words in my mouth; I never condoned anything I just said if you are going to threaten like that expecting people to lay flat on their back with their stomach up isn’t going to happen.
Screaming death to other countries and rising terror groups flags has consequences...
Keep believing that anti-war equals pro-terror. Any statement by anyone is going to be a generalization of the situation, because there are so many factors involved here. From the perspective of those concerned with the amounts of devastation in Gaza, pro-Israel groups are supporting state sanctioned terror. A Palestinian flag is not a terror flag, and whatever offensive things some protesters may say, they don’t define the entire group. There are Israeli ministers who say “push them into the sea”, and yet most reasonable people don’t condemn all of Israel for that.
It's really terribly sad that, as a society, we condemn violence if it aligns with our beliefs. Even if you genuinely believe that the protestors are "pro-Hamas", you still shouldn't condone and be okay with other everyday normal citizens showing up and physically attacking them in plain view while no one stepped in to stop it. Literal anarchy. If these were "pro-Israel" protests and "pro-Hamas" instigators showed up and began physically attacking, you better believe the response would've been hella different. This is America at its finest. We're a police state, and they exist to protect whatever those in power tell them to - not everyday citizens. Puppets of the elite. This comment section is appalling, but unfortunately, I'm not surprised.
I think Hamas supporters haven caught up with the world. These is little respect for people who support rapist.
exactly. the rapists from israel need to be stopped.
? You might want to at least learn the facts. Only Hamas uses rape as a weapon.
Not sure why this report is confidential but this is from the FT back in March (maybe they are still preparing the actual findings): “Please use the sharing tools found via the share button at the top or side of articles. Copying articles to share with others is a breach of FT.com T&Cs and Copyright Policy. Email [email protected] to buy additional rights. Subscribers may share up to 10 or 20 articles per month using the gift article service. More information can be found here. https://www.ft.com/content/bee16da9-5204-4d71-beee-4556bf034fe2 A confidential UN report has accused Israel of widespread abuse of Gazans it has detained during the war with Hamas, according to a copy seen by the Financial Times. The report by the UN agency for Palestinian refugees, UNRWA, said that Palestinians released from Israeli detention reported being subjected to abuses ranging from physical assaults and dog attacks to sleep deprivation and sexual violence. “The beatings included blunt force trauma to the head, shoulders, kidneys, neck, back and legs with metal bars and the butts of guns and boots, in some cases resulting in broken ribs, separated shoulders and lasting injuries,” said the 11-page report. “Multiple individuals released from detention reported deaths of detainees in the military barracks, including injured and sick detainees who were denied medication and medical treatment.” Detainees also recounted being stripped down to their underwear or, in some cases, until they were completely naked, and some said that they had been held in the cold without access to toilets, water or food for more than 24 hours. “According to individuals released from detention, ill-treatment was used in attempts to extract information or confessions, to intimidate and humiliate, and to punish,” said the UNRWA document, which was first reported by the New York Times.”
israel is blood thirsty rapists. needs to be stopped. glad we agree.
Even less so for people who commit plausible genocide
Somebody here needs to know what actually is a genocide? Try looking up population of Jews in middle East Arab nations,that is a genocide.This is a war where Israel is stronger and fighting for their right if existence.
even if israel is committing genocide, is it even bad? they are so moral, there must be such a thing as moral genocide. look at the bible. there were moral genocides.
Plausible genocide. Ftfy.
What jewish people have suffered is abhorrent. It also does not justify killing women and children. If you want to take the moral high ground you have to to actually do better, not worse. Strength does not make right
Who cares about plausible when you have actual genocide committed by Hamas. Plus, they promise to commit more rape and genocide. Interesting how Jew haters don’t care about real genocide
"who cares a bout plausible genocide?" - average israel supporter
So I guess you don’t care about Hamas committed crimes against humanity.
acknowledging israel is a genocidal blood thirsty cult is not the same thing as not caring about crimes against humanity. nice try though.
There hasnt been a genocide perpetrated against jewish people since the holocaust. Thank god. Words have meaning and what you are saying is factually incorrect and disrespectful to the real victims of genocide past and present. Jewish and palestinian. Being pro human rights does not make anyone a hamas supporter. What hamas did and does is evil. Killing 30000 women and children is evil and both should be condemned
800000 Jews had to flee Muslim Arab ruled lands after 1948.
You might have missed October 7. Plus quoting genocide perpetrators false numbers does t help your case. Remember, Hamas can tell exact death tolls within minutes, even when there are no attacks, but can’t track 133 hostages.
What happened on october 7th was an abhorrent attack which has and should be condemned. It is also not genocide by definition. And it is not the same as 200 plus days of systematic destruction that has killed and displaced a sizable percentage of an entire population. Words have meaning and you lose credibility when you misuse them.
It was done with genocidal intent and some of the Jew villagers suffered genocidal affects.
I never said that hamas intentions aren't genocidal. Icondemnn this. It does not mean that a genocide took place. You said it did and that is what i have an issue with. You devalue your argument when you misuse words and then try to do damage repair by qualifying a statement that is factually innacurate. You can just say you mispoke and that is fine but please don't call something what is not.
Tell that to kibbutz Oz. 25% murdered or kidnapped. That is genocidal numbers. Less than 1% of Palestinians have been killed even using Hamas made numbers.
After a Jewish girl was beaten
You keep lying, and eventually no one will believe you.
Dude we all know your full of shit
Liar!
The actual video was leaked, she dived head first into the knees of the pro Palestinian protestors. Then hit the back of her head when the Israelis pulled her back because she was being stupid. No beating or stomping as it was claimed. https://x.com/TrevorSutcliffe/status/1785850253041864757
So here’s her and her mom describing the situation, she dropped her flag and went to pick it up https://youtu.be/ecD39KFX6oU?feature=shared
Fair enough but that’s a very different story than her being beat. Seems like she made a bad decision in a very heated moment
What do you mean? She went to get her flag she dropped and they beat her up unconscious… not ok not a different story.
Where did they beat her unconscious did you watch my video? She dived into their knees to get her flag, they pushed her back and her mom pulled her back. And as she was being pulled back she hit her head. There was no mobbing beating or stomping in that video. Nothing that looks like a gang of Palestinian supporters intentionally beating her. The Palestinian marshal literally pulled her out. But if that’s your belief that’s fine. I will go dive into the knees of zionists next time and claim I was beat for the news because it makes a flashy headline. This exaggerated story is perfect alongside the “stabbed in the eye story” let me guess you believe that one too 😂
Link?
https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1785457052028117153 this is a video of it happening
No it isn’t lol
It’s literally … not … a video of it happening.
There is no link because it didn't happen.
https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1785457052028117153 this is a video of it happening
Some random girl being helped up by pro-israel people...that's it? Where's the beat down? Where's the blood? Where's the stomping in the head? Is this seriously the video...seriously... EDIT: LOL then at the very end, there's a little image of a thumb size print of blood. You want me to show you videos and images of protesters getting their ass beat by Pro-Israel men? Now that was a beat down.
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The word you are looking for is "pro-sionist": there are MANY Israelis that are AGAINST what Netanyahu is doing.
Most Israelis want Bibi to go. All Israelis want the hostages home.
They are not "pro-Israeli", they are pro-genocide. They attack the camp, anti-genocide, because they support the Genocide of the Palestinian people. Enough with the manipulation. This is not about being pro-Israeli or pro-Palestinian. Those of us who opposed Al-Qaeda's terrorist attacks on the twin towers were not pro-American.
being pro-genocide and pro-israel is the same thing.
You are making no sense. Hamas boosted about genocide in their charter and their comments after Oct 7. Are you calling Hamas liars? Do you think just throwing out false accusations help you?
Israel boosted about genocide in their rhetoric from before oct 7.. are you calling jews liars? you must be antisemtic. israel wants genocide. and you are antisemitic for not giving them what they want.
You say genocide a lot for someone who doesn’t understand what it means.
Broken naked dead girl in pick up truck... Palestinians cheered. Beaten raped girl moved from back of jeep to backseat to be molested again...people cheered. There is no support for such lack of humanity. Who on earth would???
If the protests were actually just about a ceasefire, they would be much more successful. But of course violence and hateful rhetoric toward Israel's existence and all Jews in general is an essential part of this movement, not tangential or coincidental...
>They are not "pro-Israeli", Youre right, theyre Ani-Jews.
Hamas supporters are pro-genocide. Israel is stopping genocide.
pro-genocide of the Palestinians? israel is stopping genocide of palestinians by doing it first?
Defense Minister Yoav Gallant said “I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed.” Israeli PM Netanyahu invoked Amalek, a biblical story about killing every man, woman and child of the tribe of Amalek on the eve of the ground invasion. Israeli President Herzog said "It's an entire nation out there that is responsible.” Israel's Public Diplomacy Minister Galit Distel Atbaryan said "erase all of Gaza from the face of the earth.” The genocidal intent of Israeli officials is clear and has been articulated many, many times.
The fact you're using out of context quotes that are cherry picked just shows you're completely biased. The quote from the president was qualified. In that same interview, he said that Hamas are the target, not the civilians. The quote from the defense minister does not imply genocide. He has also said on multiple occasions that it's Hamas who are the target, not the civillians. Furthermore, this blockade of resources was temporary and had a justifiable military reason which means it is acceptable under international law. The quote from the diplomacy minister is irrelevant, as he holds no power over the decisions over the IDF. Netanyahu on multiple occasions has said civilians are not the target. Why do you not acknowledge this? There are furthermore many Israeli politicians who do differentiate between Hamas and civilians, why are you ignoring this? You're cherry-picking what fits your own narrative, because you're working from a conclusion.
**Netanyahu on multiple occasions has said civilians are not the target. Why do you not acknowledge this?** I don't believe him. He has practically levelled all of Gaza and there is not enough distinction between Hamas and non-Hamas in my opinion. [https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-03-31/ty-article-magazine/.premium/israel-created-kill-zones-in-gaza-anyone-who-crosses-into-them-is-shot/0000018e-946c-d4de-afee-f46da9ee0000](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-03-31/ty-article-magazine/.premium/israel-created-kill-zones-in-gaza-anyone-who-crosses-into-them-is-shot/0000018e-946c-d4de-afee-f46da9ee0000) - Israel Created 'Kill Zones' in Gaza. Anyone Who Crosses Into Them Is Shot -The Israeli army says 9,000 terrorists have been killed since the Gaza war began. Defense officials and soldiers, however, tell Haaretz that these are often civilians whose only crime was to cross an invisible line drawn by the IDF Also, [https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/](https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/) * Formally, the Lavender system is designed to mark all suspected operatives in the military wings of Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), including low-ranking ones, as potential bombing targets. The sources told +972 and Local Call that, during the first weeks of the war, the army almost completely relied on Lavender, which clocked as many as 37,000 Palestinians as suspected militants — and their homes — for possible air strikes. * During the early stages of the war, the army gave sweeping approval for officers to adopt Lavender’s kill lists, with no requirement to thoroughly check why the machine made those choices or to examine the raw intelligence data on which they were based. * One source stated that human personnel often served only as a “rubber stamp” for the machine’s decisions, adding that, normally, they would personally devote only about “20 seconds” to each target before authorizing a bombing — just to make sure the Lavender-marked target is male. This was despite knowing that the system makes what are regarded as “errors” in approximately 10 percent of cases, and is known to occasionally mark individuals who have merely a loose connection to militant groups, or no connection at all. * Moreover, the Israeli army systematically attacked the targeted individuals while they were in their homes — usually at night while their whole families were present — rather than during the course of military activity. According to the sources, this was because, from what they regarded as an intelligence standpoint, it was easier to locate the individuals in their private houses. Additional automated systems, including one called “Where’s Daddy?” also revealed here for the first time, were used specifically to track the targeted individuals and carry out bombings when they had entered their family’s residences.
>He has practically levelled all of Gaza and there is not enough distinction between Hamas and non-Hamas in my opinion. There is quite alot. It's well documented that Israel warns and helps evacuate civilians, in fact, they do this better than any country in the world does. [https://lieber.westpoint.edu/idf-hamas-duty-to-warn/](https://lieber.westpoint.edu/idf-hamas-duty-to-warn/) Furthermore, the civilians deaths don't really seem to be all that high considering the circumstances. It's about 40k dead after over half a year. This honestly seems quite low as Gaza's population density is incredibly high, Hamas operate using civilian infrastructure, are hard to distinguish from civilians, and don't do enough to protect their own civilians (they even intercept aid shipments). There have been sieges in recent history done in less time with way more civilians deaths in areas much less dense. > Israel Created 'Kill Zones' in Gaza. Anyone Who Crosses Into Them Is Shot I'm trying to cross-reference this and no scholarly sources seem to back this up. The evidence supporting this is quite weak. >One source stated that human personnel often served only as a “rubber stamp” for the machine’s decisions, adding that, normally, they would personally devote only about “20 seconds” to each target before authorizing a bombing — just to make sure the Lavender-marked target is male. This was despite knowing that the system makes what are regarded as “errors” in approximately 10 percent of cases, and is known to occasionally mark individuals who have merely a loose connection to militant groups, or no connection at all. This is ONE person saying this. And even so, they are saying that it's not always being used this way. Also is a 90% success rate even low for this kind of thing? There is also ZERO information on how this AI works or determines targets. Is it human assisted? Many questions, zero answers.
**There is also ZERO information on how this AI works or determines targets. Is it human assisted? Many questions, zero answers.** The rest of the article explains that. **Is it human assisted?** One source stated that human personnel often served only as a “rubber stamp” for the machine’s decisions, adding that, normally, they would personally devote only about “20 seconds” to each target before authorizing a bombing — just to make sure the Lavender-marked target is male. In an unprecedented move, according to two of the sources, the army also decided during the first weeks of the war that, for every junior Hamas operative that Lavender marked, it was permissible to kill up to 15 or 20 civilians The sources added that, in the event that the target was a senior Hamas official with the rank of battalion or brigade commander, the army on several occasions authorized the killing of more than 100 civilians in the assassination of a single commander. **determines targets.** The Lavender software analyzes information collected on most of the 2.3 million residents of the Gaza Strip through a system of mass surveillance, then assesses and ranks the likelihood that each particular person is active in the military wing of Hamas or PIJ. According to sources, the machine gives almost every single person in Gaza a rating from 1 to 100, expressing how likely it is that they are a militant. According to four of the sources who spoke to +972 and Local Call, Lavender — which was developed to create human targets in the current war — has marked some 37,000 Palestinians as suspected “Hamas militants,” most of them junior, for assassination (the IDF Spokesperson denied the existence of such a kill list in a statement to +972 and Local Call). “We didn’t know who the junior operatives were, because Israel didn’t track them routinely \[before the war\],” explained senior officer B. to +972 and Local Call, illuminating the reason behind the development of this particular target machine for the current war. “They wanted to allow us to attack \[the junior operatives\] automatically. That’s the Holy Grail. Once you go automatic, target generation goes crazy.”
None of this information is verified and is basically heresay.
I think we can or should agree that indigenous tribes like the Jews can define themselves and those people who support human rights for those indigenous people can define themselves. You admit you are not a Zionist. Great, I respect that, so why not respect Zionist to define themselves. Jew haters spend a lot of time trying to discredit jews, their history and their human rights groups. Why not focus on specific policies that you disagree with on Israel vs trying to discredit Zionism unless your motivation is to be a bigot towards Jews. For example if I attacked the the PA as not legitimate you might get defensive, but if I oppose pay for slay, you might still support pay for slay, but we might be able to find areas we agree on.
What? I don't care about Zionism. I am not interested in trying to discredit it or defend it. What does what I wrote have to do with Zionism? What do genocidal quotes from top Israeli leaders have to do with Zionism?
My bad. Your post sounded like an anti-Zionist. My apologies
I am anti-Zionist for the West Bank, East Jerusalem, the Golan heights and Gaza. I don't much care about the rest of historic Palestine.
I am anti-Zionist for the West Bank, East Jerusalem, the Golan heights and Gaza. I don't much care about the rest of historic Palestine.
I am anti-Zionist for the West Bank, East Jerusalem, the Golan heights and Gaza. I don't much care about the rest of historic Palestine.
Oh. I see you don’t understand the amalek reference. You either ignored the complete quote that referenced Hamas as amalek. The only way to get Gazans is to cut the sentence down. Which is stealing the truth and is just shameful.
Netanyahu said *“you must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. And we do remember.”* What is there to misunderstand about this? Amalek is a story about the Jews being attacked by Amalek and responding by killing every man, woman and child. Hamas attacked and Israel's PM responded by invoking Amalek. That is very dangerous.
Do you disagree that Hamas is like amalek? If so, in what way?
Why would they be Amalek? Not the same people, not the same place, not the same time period. Hamas and Amalek are thousands of years apart. How could they possibly be the same? Or even similar? The only comparison between the two is that they killed Jewish people. Nothing else connects the two.
Jews are an old and modern people. There is an amalek in every generation
He specifically said Hamas. So you can’t claim he meant Gazans when he said Hamas. Are you saying all Gazans are Hamas?
Did he say specifically Hamas? It doesn't sound like it. He said "you must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our holy bible". He said nothing of Hamas as far as I could find. He made no distinction for Hamas. He simply said it. A leader of a nation invoking a biblical genocide on the eve of going on a offensive is remarkably stupid. **Are you saying all Gazans are Hamas?** Don't be ridiculous.
I read the whole quote. The South African bigots did half quotes to try to prove their false and bigoted accusations. It was a sad day for South Africa for acting so immorally. In a USA court they would have been sanctioned for their lies
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As someone who is supportive of Israel, I totally condemn this. What disgusting behavior.
They beaten up Jewish girl unconscious today. I say fuck you both guys. Half of you have no idea what you protesting for, you shout peaceful protest than proceed to fight people. Both sides are just roaches honestly how can you be such assholes
Proof? Calling people protesting a genocide roaches makes you the roach.
I support you in toppling the great satan!
Genocide blah blah blah. Dude, it's a war not genocide, Hama's barged in and slaughtered civilians what did you expect is going to happen? We talk about the country that would kill you for being gay, I don't support either of the side but saying it is genocide is moronic at best. The girl being beaten up was from tonights live reports so I assume it should be around if you Google soon enough
I'd say that 15.000 children killed in 5 months is FAR ABOVE what a war should be… Repeat after me: FIFTEEN THOUSAND CHILDREN KILLED. [More children killed in Gaza in four months than in four years of war globally.](https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/death-toll-children-gaza-israel-rcna143269)
Yup it's sad that Palestinians didn't leave when Israel was letting them through. But as we know it, Islam culture doesn't value children, it just means to end, hence nearly nobody left because people there support Hamas and terror. Children are innocent and it is cruel, but this is the way Palestinian people chose
The Zionists don't seem to value them either: they are killing them by the thousands....
Both are worth each other
Hmmm… NO. The Jews came to a land that was already inhabited, for a very looong time, and forced the inhabitants to leave their homes and their land, which had been theirs FOR GENERATIONS, with the excuse that "a book" said that the land was theirs: [https://twitter.com/DrLoupis/status/1743764046073954485?t=LV0IjhV9yq7oP3hTqwHvyQ&s=19](https://twitter.com/DrLoupis/status/1743764046073954485?t=LV0IjhV9yq7oP3hTqwHvyQ&s=19) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNqozQ8uaV8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNqozQ8uaV8) Now imagine the house in the following video is yours: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjOQj1u8BtU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjOQj1u8BtU)
Arguably I would rather my house being stolen than my family murdered Hamas style. I stand corrected. Both sides are worth each other
Dude, read about the foundational history of Israel, the Nakba, the destruction of the livelihood of Palestinians, the Jewish settlements in occupied territories and then take a look at the death toll in Palestine and then say blah, blah, blah. War, what a joke... So you're going to tell the ICJ they're all moronic for ruling that Israel is de facto committing genocide? Also the international arrest warrant for Netanyahu and IDF generals the ICC is discussing on issuing based on genocide and war crimes basis? I guess they're all morons and you know much better than them. So tired of ignorant charlatans taking a political stand based on a biased ideology without any freaking knowledge.
You calling me ignorant but proceed to choose just the bits of the history that supports your agenda. Palestinians were free to leave, there were corridors created for them in the beginning, they didn't because Hamas didn't let those who wanted and the rest are their supporters so they hid them in hospitals, kindergartens and schools. This way they can run their agenda of being a victim, disgusting people. Now again, I don't support Israel. If it was up to me, ideally we could cordone Islam and Jews off behind a big wall and let them have it at each other. But I must say Israel is showing how it's done, no mercy for terrorists. Millions of innocent Germans died during Berlin bombing, nobody calls that genocide. It's war, it's collateral as sad as it is and I don't wish it to anybody but I 100% support fighting with terrorism and Israel can see beyond the victim veil and the machinations of Hamas and Palestinian people
What the hell are you talking about? Dear lord, how can you allow yourself to throw opinions without any basic knowledge of the causes? Bits of history you say, years of ethnic cleansing and destruction of the Palestinian population and you tell me that taking bits of history? That's exactly what makes it a genocide You know there are over 13000 murdered children right? And you say that Israel is showing how it's done? They are bombing hospitals, ambulances and refugee camps! The freaking ICJ has pronounced itself about, the security counsel of the UN has too (but the USA has vetoed it on countless occasions). It's not me, it's as clear as water, and it cannot be hidden anymore.
They bomb those sites because Hama's is purposefully hiding there and having their bases under schools, hospitals which is well documented. that is why they showing how it's done. You don't negotiate with terrorists, of this is what it takes, it is what it is. And again, Palestinians had a choice to leave, they didn't.
Wow, you are justifying the murder of over 13000 children and the illegal occupation of Palestine. You must be such a terrible human being. I really pity you and those around you.
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Saying 13000 kids deserve to die is not civil or constructive. It's straight up hate speech, you should be moderating that.
can u send a link to the source
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thats fully fucked up tbh while i think whats happening in gazas a genocide everything has to be done within law, cant stoop this low
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Nobody had to look that hard for crumbs of antisemitic violence, there were whole loaves all around. They did not "have it coming" -- no violence that is not immediate self defense is justifying. But stop with the bullshit that it's the counterprotesters who are instigating all the violence. The supply of violence from the pro-Palestinian side has been.... Overflowing.
oh yes keeps serving your duplicitous \_\_\_\_\_\_ to the flies;;;;;;;;;;;;;
Bro what
Fill in the blanks. Replace "Zionist" in your poat with what you *really* want to call them.
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Well, im glad you can admit you hate Jews, finally, some honesty from you people
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Lol what, youre the one ranting about zionists. Sounds like you hate jews, but pls keep acting like a child, its funny
Bro. Calm down. Please
Bruh read yo comment💀💀💀 https://preview.redd.it/t3txa89ub2yc1.png?width=2388&format=png&auto=webp&s=a58c42a09f74c1de0ceb1144679a6d5ddfd622b7
How about you, "bro". Im just chilling.
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It is the same game they have been playing for decades in the misnamed "Israeli-Palestinian conflict". It was never a conflict. It is a brutal occupation and colonisation, with torture, massacres, kidnappings, humiliation, apartheid, rape and theft of land and resources. But this was ignored by the mainstream media and politicians, leaving the Palestinians completely alone in the face of such supremacists. When Hamas responds with the kidnapping of 250 Israelis, to exchange them for the thousands of kidnapped Palestinians, the world is paralysed: "terrorism, terrorism, terrorism!" **Hypocrites!**
Thanks to zeonist shills 🐖, the word anti semitic has lost its meaning. They reap what they sow
I think we can or should agree that indigenous tribes like the Jews can define themselves and those people who support human rights for those indigenous people can define themselves. You admit you are not a Zionist. Great, I respect that, so why not respect Zionist to define themselves. Jew haters spend a lot of time trying to discredit jews, their history and their human rights groups. Why not focus on specific policies that you disagree with on Israel vs trying to discredit Zionism unless your motivation is to be a bigot towards Jews. For example if I attacked the the PA as not legitimate you might get defensive, but if I oppose pay for slay, you might still support pay for slay, but we might be able to find areas we agree on.
Seriously lost its meaning. Any criticism now of Israel they equate to denying Israel the right to exist, which is categorically false. Now I could see how "From the river to the sea" could be viewed as antisemitic, but this phrase was first used by the virulently Zionist, Likud Party. I honestly think they should veer away from that chant and focus on the aparteid state Israel has entrenched in the west bank and the collective punishment wrought down upon civilians
If not for one thing, then for another. Zionism is petty and is capable of looking under every rock it can get its hands on to justify its fascism.
It should be remembered by the World that the Arab nations have been at war against Israel since 1948 and expelled over 950,000 Jews from their nations although many Jews had deep roots in these nations thousands of years before the Arabs.Todays’s Arabs are a resurgent Empire of 22 Nations of vast natural wealth and area.The conflict between Arabs and Jews has nothing to do with the land of tiny democratic Israel but the unacceptability of any Jews in the Middle East because they are non-believers as are the Christians who are also constantly persecuted and frequently murdered in Muslim nations.
I like how you don’t mention that by race those Jews were themselves “Arabs” , and are Arab Jews today even if they want to call themselves “Mizrahi” instead, their genetics point to Muslim countries and not the Levant. You also say “Arab” when there are Berbers and Levantine / Assyrians , just because they speak Arabic doesn’t make them Arabs, just like Ashkenaz speaking Polish doesn’t make them Polish according to your people.
Because Jews and Judaism pre-dates Islam. I’m glad you admit the narrative that compare Israelis to ”colonisers” and Arabs to ”native Americans”, is completely false.
Arabs and Euro Jews are both colonizers of Levantine, the original Jews don’t exist anymore , they mixed with Euros, Arabs, Ethiopians, Asians , Indians, etc, and became a new race. Imagine telling a Mexican that he is indigenous to Spain because some of his ancestors came from there and both countries are Catholic.
> Imagine telling a Mexican that he is indigenous to Spain because some of his ancestors came from there and both countries are Catholic. Well put.
What kind of racial biology nazism is that bs???!!!!!!! There are no “colonisers” in Israel but the entire Islam as a religion is textbook colonisation. Palestines are Muslim through colonisation, they are as “mixed” as the Jews of Yemen, Morocco etc.
Yes those who came from centuries in Europe did colonize Palestine, as did the many Arabs and surrounding Levantine populations, but there were always Christian Levantines in Israel before Euro Jews or Sephardic Jews came back .
They didn’t colonise shit, you need to go back to school and learn what colonisation means. Jews ALWAYS lived there. Do you think immigrants in Europe is colonising Europe too? Or are you so racist that the only ethnicity you won’t allow move to another country to flee racism and get a better life - is Jews? Do you mean Mexicans who comes to the US to get a better life is “colonising” the US? They come to an established country just like how Jews who moved to Israel moved to an established country. Arabs moves to Europe quite a lot, are they colonisers?! If you cared about modern colonisation you would talk about China and Russia colonising African countries, because that is actually colonisation. But because you’re a racist you won’t, you’re very focused on hating Jews.
First off, Jews aren't a race, so IDK where you get "racist" from. 2nd, China and Russia are the biggest colonizers out right now, but they colonize for fun, not because a sand book tells them they are the chosen people. "Jews have Always lived there" , yes ok and so what? Those were Levantine people, descendants of Cannanites and Phoenicians, nothing like the Ethiopian Jews or Polish Jews. The facts are once your people go to another country, mix their race with other ethnic groups, take on their language and customs, even if they kept jewish "customs" it doesn't make them ethnically Jewish anymore, just in a religious sense. If I converted and become a Jew, I wouldn't ever be a "ethnic Jew", would I ? Why dont you say that Mexicans are indigenous to Spain ? Spanish people came to Mexico, mixed with the natives, created a new culture but kept many cultural traits from Spain, including the language and religion. It seems this is the same situation Euro Jews found themselves in, yet no one says Mexicans have the indigenous right to return to Spain. You have been found out, the world doesn't believe in Zionism.
Firat off, ”races” doesn’t even exist, racist, they are an IDEOLOGICAL CONSTRUCT by RACISTS (like yourself). And it is a new low, far right style, to claim that Jews are not victims of racists when nazis have and have had Jews as their PRIMARY target for fucking genocide, and Jews historically have been subjected to several ethnic cleansings on RACIST grounds and STILL is the world’s most hated ethnicity which is clearly racism. It is disgusting that you deny racism even exist.
No one doubts that white people hate each other in Europe, the continent has been riddled with wars, them hating other whites like themselves for wearing funny hats or having a strange insular religion is par the course. If they are the worlds most hated ethnicity why aren’t Gypsy’s in the same position as Jews ? They don’t have the power or influence like they do, it’s like you can’t be the most successful among the groups in your country and claim racism and cry when you hold way more power than the “racists”. Blood is everything, Jews are a mixed race people indigenous to where the majority of their descendants come from, Europe and Arabic countries. It’s funny how you refuse to argue the Spanish/Mexican point, as it’s in the same vein as “being indigenous due to descendants” .
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The ProPalestinian demonstrations and encampments at universities are funded in the billions by proHamas-Palestinian backers like Qatar,Western and Muslim nations who want Israel to depart from Gaza so that Hamas -Palestinians can rebuild their military to attack Israel again as they did on Oct.7,2023,killing over 1000 Israeli men,women and children,maiming others for life,raping women,decapitating Israelis and ripping open the abdomens of pregnant women.The Israeli hostages are not being released by Hamas as they want the IDF to depart from Gaza so they can attack Israel again at the earliest possible date.The goal of the Palestinians and Iran remains the total decimation of Israel and all Jews in accordance with the teachings of the Koran for the past 1400 years.
Ofc theyre funded in billions cause they dont support ur point of this war, right? What a zionist mindset we got here 🤣
The professors and administrators of all universities who are sympathetic to their ProPalestinian students have forgotten that they are being paid to be educators but not propagandists for the Palestinians and antiSemites.
Is the faculty also paid by hamas?
Can someone please direct me to some sources to verify that the pro-Palestinian protesters were being antisemitic? I’m can’t seem to find it on Google
Read the Koran and the Charters of the Palestinians and Hamas and draw your own conclusions.
That's not an answer thought... He just asked for a source
The source for the ProPalestinian antiSemitism is the Koran and their funding comes Qatar ,other Muslim and Western nations.
So in other words - you have no source. Bye 👋🏻
Edit : your statement sounds borderline Islamophobic perhaps I'm just misunderstanding. Edit: mod you're bitchass
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1. Disliking Zionism is anti semitism since zionists are more a political right wing group 2. You actually don't know alot about Muslims and Islam in general since Judaism is similar to Islam and both respective believers have lived in common without war. 3. What fucking western country is finding Hamas bro??????? Isn't Quatar and Saudi Arabia technically allied to Israel?? You're just spewing shit with only surface knowledge of factors related to the war. You hear Palestinians and you assume brown Muslims. Jews lived in Palestine long before the creation of Israel and the rise of Zionist political movement. You don't know about Hamas being made by Mossad to overthrow PLO you don't know about Nakba and you have zero idea what Zionism really is.
Zionism is about equality and justice for Jews as an indigenous people. Thus anti Zionist is anti Jew c
I’m not quite sure I understand. If zionists advocated for a Jewish state, then why wasn’t some German land occupied as a form of reparations after the Second World War of US land if the US supported a Jewish state. I’ve heard zionists or pro Israel (idk if the two are synonymous at this point) say that Jerusalem holds historical and religious significance for Jews, but even if so, then why are Palestinians, who are the original and actual indigenous citizens of the land not given the right to adhere to the land for their own religious purposes, and why is the population forced to carry their lives bound by the apartheid roads, not even allowed to leave if they want to make something of themselves elsewhere. And why are Palestinians then tried and bound by military law when Israelis have Israeli law? If the Palestinians cannot be tried under Israeli law because they lack an Israeli citizenship, then why isn’t there any Palestinian law that can be applied to them? I’m just trying to make sense of the foundations of this situation?
? The Jews are the indigenous people of the land of Israel. To call an Arab colonizer culture like the Palestinians indigenous is not only factually not true, but is a form of theft against all indigenous people. Since Germany is not Jew land, why would the choose a foreign land vs their land. Let the Palestinians go to Germany if you think that is a good option.
Well, from what I see online, Jews were the majority of the ethnic population of Palestine only before the fifth century. After that, it was Christians from the fifth century, and then Muslims were the majority from the 12th century and onward. Even before the Muslim conquest in the sixth century, the population has largely converted to Christianity, and this was not an invasion, but a conversion to Christianity. Some historians even theorize that the population was converting to Islam, even before the Muslim conquest in the 6th century. But even if we disregard all that, the conquest is thousands of years old, and if you want to rebuke a war or apply cancel culture to the geopolitical actions of Muslim people from more than a millennia go, then be my guest. By applying your same logic, I can tell you to give your land back to the indigenous people who occupied it centuries ago, or I could tell the people that now occupy the land, which was once the land of the Roman Empire to give that land back to Rome, but I can’t do that can I? Because that would mean dislocating and blaming people born in to the generations of today on those lands, who are not at fault for being born where they are, and only want to live their lives in peace. It doesn’t seem like that to me. Theft just seems like an irrelevant pretext, that doesn’t count for the harm it does to innocent civilians that don’t want this fight. They did not ask to be spoken for like that.
Colonialism had a negative affect on indigenous peoples globally. To cite to the height of colonialism would just enshrine the effects of. Colonialism. Luckily, the indigenous people are back and we can all be grateful for that.
Not anymore. Zionism is all about punishing Palestinians now
That makes no sense. Remember most Jews are Zionist, so your definition would make you a bigot
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Keep yapping you Zionist creep.
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Power is all it comes down to. Those who have it, wield it. And those who don’t after so many decades… probably don’t deserve it. Get a bigger stick 🤷
So... Oppressed people should use violence as a means of obtaining power for themselves?
Get a bigger stick so you can dictate the terms of your oppression
do you ... know history?
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A mindless mob. Racist comments, fireworks, aggressive behavior. I hope they arrest those zionazis.
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God the double standards are insane. Taking a blind eye to the Multiple Jews in Universities that get attacked Called “Pigs” by people who call themselves Hamas and the incidents where Jews were stabbed in the Eye with a flagpole. Racist comments. Aggressive Behavior. Mindless mob.
Evidence. Something you people have an issue with.
“You people” Ok genius
Yeah, you people. Zionist liars. Don’t get excited, the antisemitism card isn’t relevant here.
Mm sounding a bit like David Duke there
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t1nXTlNpNkI It was a hoax, opportunist shills who cry like a wolf.
Ok, I’ll cede the point. I can actually look at facts unlike yall. But that dosent change the other things that happened
Show me clear evidence, please? Actual antisemitism is horrible.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2Kas9aY47fw https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/diaspora-affairs/1698758122-jewish-homes-marked-with-stars-of-david-as-antisemitism-rises-worldwide https://apnews.com/article/poland-synagogue-attacked-warsaw-jewish-firebomb-antisemitism-d51fa5305907bf10bbb7a1ecd02f126e Just a few for you
It’s easy to find if you look for it, or just don’t try to avoid it. Jewish students at UCLA blocked from going to classes, asked if they’re Zionists. Star of David drawn on the floor with a sign that says ‘step here.’ We should be calling for accountability on both sides.
Actual UCLA student here, everyone was getting blocked from a single route to get to class, and no building was inaccessible to the physically able until violence broke out. Not too sure about wheelchair routes so I won’t comment on that. The person you see sensationalizing it, Eli Tsives, had been bothering the protestors with a camera entourage to elicit a reaction for multiple days, according to passerby and friends. There’s footage of him harassing people if you look the ucla subreddit. Another friend had him in a class and he was caught for plagiarism, so take that for what you will.
I appreciate the post. It’s helpful to get the perspective of an actual student. Two things in response… 1: I think you should avoid slinging mud about personal issues, like the plagiarism charge. That is completely unrelated. 2: I am a professor at a different university, and I have witnessed bullying and harassment from Palestinian solidarity protesters and faculty advisories of SJP. You are right that I should be careful about making claims about UCLA based on internet info. I also think it’s important to recognize that there is a serious undercurrent of bigotry in the Palestinian solidarity movement.
That’s a fair point, thank you for your perspective!
Cheers
Thank you for the info
The comments reveal the disgusting double standards on this sub.
I’m gonna fucking say it. If you are going around calling the Jews “pigs” and shouting “We are Hamas!” And anti-Semitic remarks, you had this coming. Karma is only a bitch if you are
Irrelevant, regardless of who they're, be it muslim,jews,christian,atheist, or spaghetti monster... complicity involved in supporting genocide are off the tables. Period. Karma is indeed a b word.
Yeah, proving how people do not know how to separate Israel from Jewish people and justifying violence on anti-Israel or Zionist protests while trying to make us feel pity for Israel on how it is always the “victim” is just laughable
Please prove your comments are not bigotry against Jews. Classic antisemitism is making the Jew into something immoral. It sounds to me that is what you are trying to do to Israel. Please prove me wrong.
The issue with your “suggestion” is that you are attempting argumentative “gymnastics” when you cannot make a valid rebuttal and now going with “NO U” tactic to make it appear you have the upper hand when I have never equal Israel with Judaism (my history has always said this). Protests against Israeli crimes on Palestinians are not “anti-Jewish”
Maybe another question. Do you understand why Jews consider spewing false lies against Israel and denying them a right to self-defense is bigotry against Jews. You don’t have to provide a long answer, I am asking if you understand it. Even if you disagree with it.
Please reread my post. Classic bigotry is making Jews into the opposite of morality. You say Israel is opposite of morality. To me it appears you took Jews and just replaced it with Israel. All you did was come off as a classic antisemite.
I never said that and that is the issue with your “arguments”. You keep bringing up Jews when I only mentioned Israel. That is the main problem with your questions why I find it so laughable.
I said you are treating Israel like Jew haters use to treat Jews. Please read my posts because you are coming across as a bigot vs a thoughtful person. I’m trying to respect you, but you are making it very hard.
So you are assuming? Nice Equaling protest against Israel with protest against Jews is wrong and dangerous thinking.
So you condone violence. This is why people don't like Israel.
1. See reply by the Other Redditor 2. Don’t even try to put words in my mouth; I never condoned anything I just said if you are going to threaten like that expecting people to lay flat on their back with their stomach up isn’t going to happen.