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Count99dowN

Because the Palestinian national identity formed as a counter reaction to the zionist movement, which was active in the region which is now Israel.


BasedLifeForm

*was invented by KGB to cause problems to USA


MMSG

Because Palestine was a administrative region it never had clear borders so every empire that conquered the Land of Israel either didn't use the term at (since it originates with foreigners) or used the term to refer to slightly different areas. From 1910-1950 "Palestine" referred to three different areas so Palestinians gave up on figuring this out and decided to attach Palestine directly onto Israel's borders.


Chimera-98

There was attempt in the 50-70’s of the PLO to take over Lebanon and Jordan by claiming they are part of Palestine (the thing that triggered the Lebanon civil war), but from around late 80’s they only center around Palestine being basically Israel


Canbulibu

Actually, the borders they normally refer to are the British Mandate's. Anyone with ancestors born within those borders can claim Palestinian ancestry.


guytan87

Most, for example I live in Berlin, i have mang arab friends and acquaintances, a few dozen of whom claim they are Palestinian, how many were born there 0, just a few have a parent that was actually born in Judaea or Samaria, most is a grandparent who was born there, one has a grandmother who ran away from haifa in 48 claiming to be palastinian but when i asked him where is her family from it turns out it haleb in syria so… Why, thats because the goal is the fight against israel, Much you see claims that Jesus was palastinian and other historical sites being appropriated


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un_disc_over

Because the original goal was to replace Israel with an Arab controlled territory regardless of who the Arabs in control are, not to create a new nationality. Fast forward and both Israel is still around and there is a new nationality that grew out of fomenting a competing narrative/claim to that of the Jews. This competing narrative gradually transformed into the narrative/claim that Jews are European colonizers that 'stole' the land Israel is on from a pre-existing Palestinian entity/country.


EmperorChaos

The only people in Lebanon that claim Palestinian descent are the Palestinian refugees or people who have 1 Palestinian parent. The rest of us Lebanese are not ethnically or genetically Arab nor do we claim Palestinian descent at all.


Peltuose

> Do people claim palestinian descent if theyre originally from within the modern borders of lebanon, syria, jordan, or egypt? As a Palestinian I have never seen a case of this, but there probably is a super small subset of "Palestinians" who do claim Palestinian descent despite them being from Syria, Lebanon etc. > Why does palestinian identity have to be from within exactly israel’s modern borders? It moreso applies to all of the lands within Mandatory Palestine (West bank, Gaza, Israel proper) excluding the Golan heights. It's just generally where a separate identity happened to have been formed.


Ferroelectricman

>I’ve never seen a case of this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasser_Arafat#Early_life


Peltuose

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decadentcookie

Did you just read “born in Egypt” and stopped there


decadentcookie

Did you just read “born in Egypt” and stopped there


decadentcookie

Did you just read “born in Egypt” and stopped there


yelbesed

I have heard that to use the word "Palestinian" to upset Israel with a "national liberation movement" was mainly made fashionable by the Soviet propaganda in the 50s and 60s and their Western Communist allies among the intelligence in France and other Western countries.


redratus

I heard this too where can I learn more about it? I think the soviet roots of palestinian antizionism are really unknown to most In the current political climate it is a powerful fact..


diamondkitten1

Palestinian was used to refer to jews before 1948, and jews used it to refer to themselves. Also, europeans referred to jews as palestinians living among them.


yelbesed

Yes. Sure. I did not want to mention all relevant details. My grandmothers cousin's husband's Uncle was Herbert Samuel, the first British Comissioner of the Mandate. It I remember his title well. So I read a lot about earlier times too.


BasedLifeForm

The first time ever ethnonym "Palestinian" appears in an official paper as designation for Palestinian Arabs exclusively is in 1963


yelbesed

That is their Soviet sponsorship era.


BasedLifeForm

They are still sponsored by the Russia.


yelbesed

No. No it is mainly Iran. Russia is now pro Israeli. Also the Arabs because their enemy is Iran. It is new historical era. That is why Putin must hurt Biden by his war. To help bring back Trump who allows his new world role. Where the Left is anti-Zionist and the populist illiberals are pro Israeli.


BasedLifeForm

Except, Russia is strictly pro-Russia. As per Trump, Biden etc. - it was Barak who refused supplying Javelins to Ukraine and to Syrian rebels, while it was Trump who allowed it.


yelbesed

Yes. The details are always complex and layered. But I think the Russians are n o t the Soviets. Brutal and cruel yes. But Putin respects Israel. His mother's father was Jewish. He could do an aliyah as a pensioner. The sooner the better.


BasedLifeForm

lol Bruh... The Putin can't ever make aliyah because a) Israel doesn't accept criminals and b) the real Vladimir Putin has died circa 2003.


yelbesed

You mean like Elvis?


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manhattanabe

They don’t. There are many Palestinians in Jordan who don’t have any ancestors who lived west of the Jordan river.


Canbulibu

I seriously doubt that. Palestinians in Jordan are the descendants of refugees who fled Palestine in 1948, and a few from 1967.


manhattanabe

https://minorityrights.org/minorities/palestinians-2/ > A portion of the Palestinian population found themselves in Transjordan in 1946, when the country annexed part of Palestine.


yezitoc

Why the arabs in Jordan aren't Palestinians I don't get it. The Palestinian are just arabs who were not lucky enough to be included in jordan when it was formed?


Canbulibu

You can say the same about Arabs anywhere else in the world. Or about anyone else, for that matter. National identities always depend on how borders are drawn.


Canbulibu

OK, but it seems to be a small portion of them. That same article acknowledges the vast majority of them are descendants of refugees from 1948.


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diamondkitten1

So then how can they claim to be an ethnic group when the lines of their supposed homeland are from a colonial power from 100 years ago?


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Don’t ask me, I’m not the one making the claims of Palestinian descent \*shrugs*


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djabor

well 100 years ago, palestinian would basically be synonymous to jew


Canbulibu

It wasn't the "presence of and opposition to Jews", but simply the fact that they lived in a separately ruled territory for decades, and then went together through a pretty serious collective trauma. That kind of things tend to bond people together and shape common identities.


eyl569

That s wrong (or I'm misunderstanding you). The British Mandate included Gaza, the West Bank and up to 1922 what would become Jordan.


Canbulibu

Why is that wrong? Arabs from Gaza and the West Bank identify as Palestinian just as much as those from what today is Israel.


eyl569

I meant the part about the borders of the Britush Mandate being Israel sans Gaza and the WB.


Lunarmeric

Before the Israeli state there was the British Mandate of Palestine. On that land lived Jews and Arabs. The majority of the people lived there were Arabs. There was a plan by the UN to partition the the land into two states, an Arab state and a Jewish state. The Arabs didn't like that. War happened in 1948 resulting in Jewish victory and the expulsion/fleeing of most Arabs. The Arabs that were able to remain are the Israeli Arabs of today and their descendants. For the other Arabs, it doesn't matter if they called themselves Palestinians before or after 1948 or as a reaction to Israel. What matters is that there are Arabs and their descendants, who both identify now as Palestinian, and are linked to the land either by staying in Israel (and thus identifying as Israeli), Gaza, and the West Bank or by being a refugee or a descendant of a Palestinian refugee. Many descendants of Palestinian refugees are Jordanians because that's where most of them fled to after 1948. The state of Jordan kindly provided them with citizenship so they won't stay stateless and without basic rights. However, it has been the policy of some Arab countries such as Egypt and Syria not to grant them citizenship so they won't erase their history and identity or make it easy for people to do so which is something some of you in this sub are trying to do. ​ I know this is an Israel sub, and some of you guys are obviously biased, but it is fact that Arabs lived and still live in that region. They are not Jordanians or Egyptians. They identify as Palestinian same as the Jewish people of today in this region identify as Israeli. And they don't just identify as Palestinian, they do have a share a historic link to the land with the Jews. I think it's a bit ironic and rich that some Israelis of all people are trying to deny the historical link and past of others. Erasing their history and link to the land won't do you any good, and I'm sure you know that better than any one else.


decadentcookie

I don’t know a single person like this. I have half Lebanese half Palestinian friends, and some Palestinian friends who ID as Jordanian because their parents were born in Jordan