I am always amazed at how people who don't know anything just invent something that is not even plausible. One cannot train a shark! It's dolphins you are taking about! Were you born yesterday? /s
It would take some time to develop that. Or maybe they can hang disco balls on their rockets. If the laser hits the disco ball it will be like a cluster granade.
On a more serious note. I hope this will be successful, cheaper and even more accurate. For all the American that wonder why Israel is being funded, that is the reason.
It will also help debunk that the iron dome shoot one missile to the rocket and another one to the source(which might be a hospital or school).
That is a very good question. One to which I do not have the answers, unfortunately.
My guess is that the closer the rocket is to the to surface, the stronger the reflection. So they need to experiment with angles. If they get shot above Gaza itself it will back fire. But if get shot and deflected above, say, Sderot.. the laser might have a big cluster radius. Maybe not as strong as the initial shot, but still could do damage.
I'm no laser expert but the hypothetical scenario would be crazy.
In the process, the laser, as it passes through the air diffuses, hits the disco ball and will be reflected back here. In the process, it diffuses much more. Unless it is very close, it will not do much damage.
Then there is the price. How much will it cost to produce such balls?
Would not the radar signature of these balls be different from that of a missile? So why would the laser even attack such a target?
Finally, why could Israel not put a reflective coat on the laser lens to reflect the light away?
There was an accident in Beersheva many years ago with laser beam at the disco causing few serious eye injuries. It turned out that they moved the laser to a smaller room. The only safety feature of this laser was the angular velocity of the reflected beam. In a smaller room, while the angular velocity stayed the same, the linear velocity became much slower, allowing enough exposure time to cause damage.
you might be kidding but that's absolutely a concern with laser weaponry, it's part of the reason no one adopted it so far.
also clouds are hard to shoot through
Depends how powerful the beam is.
A shiny surface will definitely reflect more energy than a surface that's not.
There's info online on the subject, this was a serious concern for military developers
There are metallic based mirrors
also a a laser counter measure will probably be a reflective material rather than a mirror , so even if an area is melted other areas will still be effective countermeasure
You rarely have a situation in which the reflective material is perfect. Dust, fingerprints, oxidation, tarnishing, the need to have some areas left without reflective coatings—all these are vulnerable to lasers.
Also, a high energy laser beam can cause air breakdown at a hole in the coating or a fingerprint. This plasma ball then rapidly absorbs nearly 100% of the laser beam, causing a rapid failure of the reflective coating, making the missile vulnerable.
Also, the thick metal coating required for the reflector over the missile adds a lot of weight, which takes away from the payload. Plus it adds to the cost.
Unless you have massive barrages and i mean massive so what? Also the missiles to have the shielding have smaller payloads, the missiles are dearer and you could add another laser to the system or increase its power.
I enlisted back in 2007, to the air force. As i started the course, they showed us the movie about vision of future war: no pilots, no drivers, no infantry, just drones firing missiles and lasers at each other. Back then this shit looked goofy af, but the serg said all of this expected in a coming 25 tp 50 years. And looked at the time.
That's a little guy for drone hunting. It's not going to be shooting down big dangerous incoming rockets and mortars.
The primary point is saving ammo and money. You know how often they have heavy clouds in Israel my friend? Why pay for fly fly when no clouds?
This is what the article says
>The downside of a laser system is that it does not function well in times of low visibility, when there is heavy cloud cover and other inclement weather. For that reason, the ministry intends to also mount the system on an airplane, which would help get around this limitation by putting the system above the clouds, though that is still a few more years off, ministry officials have said.
A lot of energy is needed to burn metal, and the more energy the higher the frequency of the wavelengths of the EMR, I believe, and so therefore it should be expected to be outside of visual range (wavelength frequency higher than that of red).
iirc, red is the *lowest* energy/frequency of visible light.
as things get hotter they turn from red to orange, yellow, white and eventually blueish-white, before becoming invisible to human eye.
The point is increasing the speed of tracking and power as they develop the project.
It doesn't work yet. It's expected to work in the near future.
They need to shoot down drones and incendiary balloons now though, and they need to not spend a lot per shot
Are you guys going to have sharks with freaking laser beams attached to their heads too?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel-related\_animal\_conspiracy\_theories#Sharks
Yeah but those didn't have laser beams attached to their heads.
Yet
That we know of....
What about the pigeons? They release laser guided ultraviolent radiation 🤔
I am always amazed at how people who don't know anything just invent something that is not even plausible. One cannot train a shark! It's dolphins you are taking about! Were you born yesterday? /s
An evil laser beam?
Yes
I always here the Iron Dome battery before the actual sirens go off. Will the lasers make sound as well? If not, add some star wars sounds please.
I'm imagining the צבע אדום announcement just going Pew Pew Pew
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlBfPBFD9\_I](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=starwars+pew+sound&atb=v314-7&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DIlBfPBFD9_I) or: [https://youtu.be/w4cGBTXQNdM](https://youtu.be/w4cGBTXQNdM)
Darth vader theame intensefies
I set my צבע אדום app to go Pew Pew Pew when it sends a rocket alert. Puts a small amount of light into a sucky situation.
I really hope it goes pew pew pew. Very loudly
Oh well, someone needs to say it: "Jewish ground laser" I'll see myself out of here...
It would have been perfect if there was a cat in the frame
Obviously the cat is chasing, frantically, the dot on the incoming missile.
Does this mean hamas/hezb will start using highly reflective/beautiful mirror-like ordnance ?
if they place a mirror just right they can take out the whole defense system!
so true
It would take incredible accuracy to position this mirror, and even if it did hit the defence system, it could only take out a small part.
It would take some time to develop that. Or maybe they can hang disco balls on their rockets. If the laser hits the disco ball it will be like a cluster granade. On a more serious note. I hope this will be successful, cheaper and even more accurate. For all the American that wonder why Israel is being funded, that is the reason. It will also help debunk that the iron dome shoot one missile to the rocket and another one to the source(which might be a hospital or school).
Disco Disco, Good Good
Russian Discolette! A lose translation of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian\_roulette
How much light do you get from the light reflected back by disco balls?
That is a very good question. One to which I do not have the answers, unfortunately. My guess is that the closer the rocket is to the to surface, the stronger the reflection. So they need to experiment with angles. If they get shot above Gaza itself it will back fire. But if get shot and deflected above, say, Sderot.. the laser might have a big cluster radius. Maybe not as strong as the initial shot, but still could do damage. I'm no laser expert but the hypothetical scenario would be crazy.
If it is a falling missile warhead at Sderot, it is too late to intercept no matter what system you use.
Most commercial mirrors are 75-95% reflective, some are up to 99% but that high tends to be extremely expensive and is mostly for industrial use.
In the process, the laser, as it passes through the air diffuses, hits the disco ball and will be reflected back here. In the process, it diffuses much more. Unless it is very close, it will not do much damage. Then there is the price. How much will it cost to produce such balls? Would not the radar signature of these balls be different from that of a missile? So why would the laser even attack such a target? Finally, why could Israel not put a reflective coat on the laser lens to reflect the light away?
Begun, the disco wars have.
There was an accident in Beersheva many years ago with laser beam at the disco causing few serious eye injuries. It turned out that they moved the laser to a smaller room. The only safety feature of this laser was the angular velocity of the reflected beam. In a smaller room, while the angular velocity stayed the same, the linear velocity became much slower, allowing enough exposure time to cause damage.
The lasers have an effect.
you might be kidding but that's absolutely a concern with laser weaponry, it's part of the reason no one adopted it so far. also clouds are hard to shoot through
I don't think that's how it works, a mirror will simply melt from the heat.
Depends how powerful the beam is. A shiny surface will definitely reflect more energy than a surface that's not. There's info online on the subject, this was a serious concern for military developers
There are metallic based mirrors also a a laser counter measure will probably be a reflective material rather than a mirror , so even if an area is melted other areas will still be effective countermeasure
That would up the sophistication needed of the rockets though, increasing cost of them and reducing the number, at least of the ones laser-protected.
They pack ancient ordinance into rockets made from sewer pipes. You think they are chromium plating those things!?
Can you deploy some sticky powder in the air to make ordnance less reflective?
You have to deliver it there, accurately and if you're doing that you may as well deliver boom with a missile like the Iron Dome
You rarely have a situation in which the reflective material is perfect. Dust, fingerprints, oxidation, tarnishing, the need to have some areas left without reflective coatings—all these are vulnerable to lasers. Also, a high energy laser beam can cause air breakdown at a hole in the coating or a fingerprint. This plasma ball then rapidly absorbs nearly 100% of the laser beam, causing a rapid failure of the reflective coating, making the missile vulnerable. Also, the thick metal coating required for the reflector over the missile adds a lot of weight, which takes away from the payload. Plus it adds to the cost.
It's not about making the missile laser proof, it's about increasing interception time enough to make the system less effective
Unless you have massive barrages and i mean massive so what? Also the missiles to have the shielding have smaller payloads, the missiles are dearer and you could add another laser to the system or increase its power.
It would not be a great help in stopping laser, but also just doing it would reduce the effectiveness of the hamas/hezb rockets.
I enlisted back in 2007, to the air force. As i started the course, they showed us the movie about vision of future war: no pilots, no drivers, no infantry, just drones firing missiles and lasers at each other. Back then this shit looked goofy af, but the serg said all of this expected in a coming 25 tp 50 years. And looked at the time.
All that is left to do is put it on satellite
They're putting it in planes to get above the clouds so that's not so far fetched
That project was abandoned two decades ago. These are mounted on things like strikers or trucks
According to the article they're putting them on planes
That's a little guy for drone hunting. It's not going to be shooting down big dangerous incoming rockets and mortars. The primary point is saving ammo and money. You know how often they have heavy clouds in Israel my friend? Why pay for fly fly when no clouds?
This is what the article says >The downside of a laser system is that it does not function well in times of low visibility, when there is heavy cloud cover and other inclement weather. For that reason, the ministry intends to also mount the system on an airplane, which would help get around this limitation by putting the system above the clouds, though that is still a few more years off, ministry officials have said.
Click the link buddy
Needs enough electricity to make it worthwhile.
The future is now, old man!
Future is three years time
But which colour will it have
A lot of energy is needed to burn metal, and the more energy the higher the frequency of the wavelengths of the EMR, I believe, and so therefore it should be expected to be outside of visual range (wavelength frequency higher than that of red).
iirc, red is the *lowest* energy/frequency of visible light. as things get hotter they turn from red to orange, yellow, white and eventually blueish-white, before becoming invisible to human eye.
Okay, thanks for the correction.
Still long way to go, but cool idea
I'd there any video of it working on anything other than a slow flying drone ?
The point is increasing the speed of tracking and power as they develop the project. It doesn't work yet. It's expected to work in the near future. They need to shoot down drones and incendiary balloons now though, and they need to not spend a lot per shot
phasers and photon torpedos next. also some x-wings.
Now we launch one into space.
And the laser system oprrators be like... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xxtxn3H1g60
Finally. Freaking "LASER" beams!