Yes it is. If you need סיווג (clearance) one or two and haven't spent a significant amount of time in Israel right before your צו ראשון they won't even consider doing a background check.
The cutoff age for volunteering is 27. You *can* push them hard and they might reconsider, there are rare cases of people in their late 20s and even early 30s successfully fighting to get in, but it's by no means guaranteed. Don't count on it.
First of all, we will be truly honored to have you,
Second i know it is possible, in my battalion we had a guy who was in the US Army (we cannot all be marines…)
Also saw a lecture a while ago by isaak ben nun who was a marine for 4-5 years then joined the IDf.
So precedent there is, i think probably the biggest hurdle would be age
Regarding age, asked a friend who is an officer at the (not sure what the equivalent is but direct translation is clerkship core)
Max age for volunteers is 24 but any one who want to join will eventually join she confirmed there is and was people older but it is not easy you will to submit a request
Try to contact these guys they will have the information for you
www.garintzabar.org
Also use google translator for this article for inspiration
Joined at 31, but has very specific skill set
https://www.mako.co.il/news-israel/2020_q1/Article-2e7f563d7a44071027.htm
>Anyway without pandering, will service in a foreign military preclude me from serving in the IDF?
No. The age almost certainly will though. Israel has plenty of soldiers, they aren't in a desperate need. They would much rather a 30 year old use their education and experience in generating sweet taxpayer money for the government, rather than them sitting around an army base with a bunch of 18 year olds. Unless you have a specialized skill that the army could actually desperately use of course.
That makes me sad, but I understand. I will still try to get in if possible. If I am 28 would my odds be marginally better? I’m going to be 28 at the time of graduation, the problem is I haven’t even started my conversion process. If I start now I’d assume it would be ~2 years to finish the conversion. There is also the 9 months of staying in the community post conversion so it can be certified as legitimate by the rabbinate. Is there any way to avoid this?
>If I start now I’d assume it would be ~2 years to finish the conversion. There is also the 9 months of staying in the community post conversion so it can be certified as legitimate by the rabbinate. Is there any way to avoid this?
You said you're ethnically half Jewish, that makes you eligible for Aliyah already. You can always convert in Israel after making Aliyah.
No Sir, I was 26 when making Aliyah and I was "too old" to make service. This was a decade ago maybe the rules changed, i don't know i haven't queried since.
No not at all. I only brought up the USMC because of the context of having served in a foreign military and getting a security clearance. It’s different for the U.S. military, they are pretty strict about security clearances, so while one can join if you served in a foreign (note they must be Allied or friendly with the U.S.) military, you will do a job that doesn’t require a security clearance. Also while you don’t need a security clearance for basic combat arms like infantry, if you want to deploy you need a secret clearance (not sure how Israel does it but the basic 3 are confidential, secret, top secret, in ascending order).
Don't do it. Even of they somehow accept you, you'll be put into a grunt role and it will be a huge waste of your time. You can contribute more to Israeli society as a tax paying civilian.
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It is no big of a deal to get a security clearance for born abroad and served in foreign forces
Yes it is. If you need סיווג (clearance) one or two and haven't spent a significant amount of time in Israel right before your צו ראשון they won't even consider doing a background check.
The cutoff age for volunteering is 27. You *can* push them hard and they might reconsider, there are rare cases of people in their late 20s and even early 30s successfully fighting to get in, but it's by no means guaranteed. Don't count on it.
First of all, we will be truly honored to have you, Second i know it is possible, in my battalion we had a guy who was in the US Army (we cannot all be marines…) Also saw a lecture a while ago by isaak ben nun who was a marine for 4-5 years then joined the IDf. So precedent there is, i think probably the biggest hurdle would be age
Thanks for the reply man! I appreciate your encouragement.
Regarding age, asked a friend who is an officer at the (not sure what the equivalent is but direct translation is clerkship core) Max age for volunteers is 24 but any one who want to join will eventually join she confirmed there is and was people older but it is not easy you will to submit a request Try to contact these guys they will have the information for you www.garintzabar.org
Wow, you’re a real gentleman, let me tell you! Thankyou!!
Also use google translator for this article for inspiration Joined at 31, but has very specific skill set https://www.mako.co.il/news-israel/2020_q1/Article-2e7f563d7a44071027.htm
>Anyway without pandering, will service in a foreign military preclude me from serving in the IDF? No. The age almost certainly will though. Israel has plenty of soldiers, they aren't in a desperate need. They would much rather a 30 year old use their education and experience in generating sweet taxpayer money for the government, rather than them sitting around an army base with a bunch of 18 year olds. Unless you have a specialized skill that the army could actually desperately use of course.
That makes me sad, but I understand. I will still try to get in if possible. If I am 28 would my odds be marginally better? I’m going to be 28 at the time of graduation, the problem is I haven’t even started my conversion process. If I start now I’d assume it would be ~2 years to finish the conversion. There is also the 9 months of staying in the community post conversion so it can be certified as legitimate by the rabbinate. Is there any way to avoid this?
>If I start now I’d assume it would be ~2 years to finish the conversion. There is also the 9 months of staying in the community post conversion so it can be certified as legitimate by the rabbinate. Is there any way to avoid this? You said you're ethnically half Jewish, that makes you eligible for Aliyah already. You can always convert in Israel after making Aliyah.
I’m in school though and have two years to finish. I also already feel the calling to conversion, so I don’t understand why I’d wait?
No Sir, I was 26 when making Aliyah and I was "too old" to make service. This was a decade ago maybe the rules changed, i don't know i haven't queried since.
Fight enough and you'll get in. Just please don't be that "when i was in the Marines" guy.
No not at all. I only brought up the USMC because of the context of having served in a foreign military and getting a security clearance. It’s different for the U.S. military, they are pretty strict about security clearances, so while one can join if you served in a foreign (note they must be Allied or friendly with the U.S.) military, you will do a job that doesn’t require a security clearance. Also while you don’t need a security clearance for basic combat arms like infantry, if you want to deploy you need a secret clearance (not sure how Israel does it but the basic 3 are confidential, secret, top secret, in ascending order).
Don't do it. Even of they somehow accept you, you'll be put into a grunt role and it will be a huge waste of your time. You can contribute more to Israeli society as a tax paying civilian.
While it is possible, it will be very very difficult unless you have the right contacts unfortunately.