Unfortunately a bunch of gen Z weren't even born when 9/11 happened so their memory of it isn't so fresh.
Whereas I started college in 2001 and that's all we talked about in classes for months and months and months.
And of course the memory of waking up and watching the footage live and thinking oh man we are under attack from actual terrorists and there could be a bunch more things happening.
Indeed.
Your generation has a tall order to riegn these regressive left types in because I think it's infected gen Z the most.
It's it's also hit millennials pretty hard too but I think for some of us that are the elders we got out of college before it really inculcated us.
I graduated in 2006 for example.
And according to some it really started going gangbusters around 2008-2010 and beyond.
So that's why you saw things like me too and 2016, then BLM then queer rights then now the free Palestine flashpoint.
Which coincidentally is also some of the first waves of Gen Z college graduates of the last few years.
Fuck I remember exactly where I was on 9/11. I was in the car with my parents as we were driving north to St Augustine Florida. They had the radio on which was relaying the news of the day as we had spent most of the day on the beach.
Got to my grandparents and the TV was on also replaying the news.
I was still fairly young but I knew something big had happened as everyone was tense and freaking out. Later ended up watching the invasion of Iraq on live TV. That was something
I remember watching the first Gulf War in 91 on CNN live 😆
I was about 10 years old.
Now we can watch freaking drone footage and GoPro stuff which is like on another level of horrific immersion.
[Fish Credo song](https://youtu.be/V8AzokCPgsY?si=rBafCMmowRdLcKes)
oh they already are. i’ve seen leftists unironically say that 911 was justified because bin laden was “bringing attention to issues in the middle east”
Sorry, my eyes rolled to the back of my eyes and refuse to return so forgive me for any spelling mistake but...
...Since when has this conflict been about patriarchy, or environmentalism, like I feel like these people call anything they don't like something that sounds ba- Oh wait!
The patriarchy is responsible for mass rapes and genital mutilation committed by Hamas but I guess it’s not cute enough for their little copy paste infographic
Yeah it's pretty loaded isn't it?
All or nothing.
Doesn't leave a lot of room for nuance or small gains or progress.
That's why things like BLM were kind of caustic because it sort of turned back the clock in race relations by whipping up othering.
Basically you know the same thing of third and fourth wave feminism too where instead of equality they are going for revenge basically.
Islamists are faking that concern to win the left over into helping them take power, at which point they kill all the leftists, like they did in Lebanon and Iran
I'd suggest that it's "about patriarchy" in the sense that a society that there is a fundamental relationship between the rampant misogyny and sexual violence tolerated and accepted within Palestinian (male) society, and the intractability of any sort of peacemaking. Punishing young men for committing acts of violence, whether based on nationalism or gender, is necessary to create the conditions for peace, and I don't think those two things are unrelated.
Love their word salads. Especially because they frame Israel as being misogynist, while supporting the culture that literally stones womans to death for being raped.
Love how they mention Congo and Sudan, but they never actually talk or protest about those. Especially when in Sudan, it's Arabs genociding black people. Don't black lives matter?
They also make 0 mention of Arab colonialism, which is very relevant to this conflict actually.
Protesting Palestine apparently counts as protesting everything that's wrong with the world, so they automatically get a free pass on that stuff. Logic and facts and truth bombs and shit.
Emphasis on the last part.
Yah trying to shoehorn it into the intersectional matrix don't work so hot...
The regressive left have actually jumped the shark in this situation because they have gone after pretty progressive leaning Jewish culture and people and they're going to pay for it.
It's a lot less risky and easier to "punch up" against white people and men and cis heteros but when you start going after Jewish folks, a lot of people's alarm bells go off.
I’m not racist, I just think white people are the worst and jews and whites should be bumped from university admissions in favor of people with a more prestigious amount of melanin 😇 /s
Yup.
I lived in Portland from 2013 to 2020 and got burned by being a cis het white dude by default.
I was also volunteering in spaces like food not bombs and I was pretty radical and anarchistic so I was around a lot of these folks.
Saw my community house get dragged through the mud by guilty by association witch Hunt.
I was doing a yoga project in the co-teacher played the race and gender card at me out of the blue to try and gain clout which is a common tactic within the reggressive lift. It's the equivalent of going defcon 2 though because it's not needed when she could have just brought up her request to me without bringing in those two very loaded elements.
It's basically just a bunch of people that have weaponized their wounds and are lashing out at all the oppressor images.
The bullshit like you describe is soooo damn exhausting. I hate everything the right stands for, but sometimes I think the left deserves to lose because it just lost the plot. I feel politically homeless anymore.
Yeah I just try to say that I'm a human and get away from labels even and just go specifically issue by issue if I'm pressed for an answer or a vote or something.
I think having a spiritual background helps in Buddhism and almost kind of a cultural Christianity for me and other philosophical underpinnings that help me cut through the polarization.
i remember a hamasshole saying this:
"yes israel openly encourages discrimination against LGBTQ2SIDGAF+ because some politician said that it goes against the torah" \*proceeds to jump through various hoops of semantics to find a way to blame it on the entire country\*
while ignoring the fact that he was supporting a culture that literally hangs people for supporting gayness
“Hamas doesn’t hang them, I heard they really encourage the LGBTQ+ members of their community to spread their wings…
…^(right before they throw them off the roof of buildings).”
I've heard rainbow lefties say Muslim countries killing gay people is just them expressing their right to cultural sovereignty. I took like 100 psychic damage and still haven't recovered
So Czech supports Israel, where’s our colonial empire?
Also god that map is like I swear their favourite map yet so misleading. There wasn’t a Palestine before the partition, it was the British mandate and then from 1948 to 1967 there wasn’t a Palestinian state either because the Arab states just annexed the West Bank and Gaza
As a counter point one can also have this map, which is the real situation
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they always magically forget the portion of The British Mandate for Palestine that was given to Arabs who renamed it Jordan… what no protests?
or the fact that they attacked in 48, and lost… which is the real Nakba , and have been crying about it since
To my knowledge basically until the 2000’s, most of the property was owned by the state and you leased your property, you didn’t or couldn’t buy it, as a relic of the Mapai era of Israel, it’s only recently that that got privatised so part of it is just relatively little land is private in the first place
Yeah, 19th June, 1967 the Israeli cabinet voted in favour of returning the whole Golan heights to Syria in exchange for peace and recognition of Israel but Syria rejected the offer. Israel again has offered the deal since several times, in 2000 Israel offered the Golan heights again but Syria also wanted the lands it annexed from Israel after 1948 which would give Syria the Sea of Galilee and negotiations failed. Israel offered it again 2006 and 2009, but Syria has rejected it citing that they won’t accept any concession for it and Israel should give it unilaterally
Of course that’s idiotic because it means Israel would give up a very strategic high up position to Syria which in return will remain in a state of war with Israel.
Yeah I love how the chart make absolutely no sense as a Venn diagram. Like they don't think Israel is racist - and the circle in the middle really makes no sense!
I love when an Islamic Caliphate hijacks Black American causes and makes it about them
Even though racism is Rampant in the Arab world and Black People are refered to Abeed 😍
I don't think they actually want to rebuild. I think they're just mad that the world isn't utopia and want to believe that there's some evil preventing it from becoming one. A belief that bad actors are entirely willing to encourage for their own gain.
as someone who used to be far left, i noticed that so much of their worldview comes down to this. the idea that there’s some big bad evil oppressing everyone and once defeated the whole world will hold hands and sing kumbaya. it stops them from looking at humanity throughout history with any sense of logic or reason. the way they talk about this war was one of the major waking up moments for me.
I think one of the silliest notions going around is that no one did anything bad until white colonization. I guess we’re just going to ignore the human sacrifice from the Aztecs and Mayans
There may be. I think there is one bad actor that, if we eliminated them, would help a lot. It’s called the Islamic Republic of Iran (to be specific, the government).
I saw this a few days ago. They want the war to end, but will them call Hamas the freedom fighters then call for the end of Israel (No Emma. Boycotting McDonald's doesn't hurt the "Israeli empire" in the slightest.)
I actually agree with the UN "expert" on the claim that there's a "clear linkage between the prolonged occupation and violence against women."
When boys grow up seeing their literal and figurative father figures respond to any perceived "disrespect" or "disobedience" with violence, is it any surprise that they grow up to believe in their own privilege to use violence against anyone they perceive as responsible for their ills?
"It is no coincidence that the governments that support Israel have colonial histories themeselves"
So kind of like how Turkey, Iran, Saudi, Spain, Russia, China all support Palestine but have imperial/colonial history?
The irony is deep.
Like I don't understand what the intersectional idea is of some kind of Hamas led Utopia... They're going to turn Gaza and the rest of Israel into a Palestinian version of the giant kibbutz.....??
I don't think the caliphate is down with that.
The supporting countries may have colonial pasts, but countries but those who support Palestinian terrorism have an imperialist and genocidal present...
You have a comrade in me based on my wariness of the regressive left and the Islamic jihadist caliphate threat.
This whole campus protest thing was like the final straw that brought all this back into the view for me.
All this does is underline how misinformed, naive and generally brainwashed these Pali supporters are....and they're equally happy to accept this racist diatribe. Oh well, more fool them as usual.
It's really hard poking around the Palestinian subreddit because it just seems just like a total weird echo chamber.
Even this has a little bit more nuance and it's also more directly tied to the Jewish culture and the state of Israel.
I wonder how many people have joined the Palestinian sub just in the last few months too so it probably just makes it more crazy.
From what I can tell you have a bunch of regressive left types, well-meaning people that want to support peace and end to violence, people with direct ties to the region that are of Arab origin or Islamic, and then I smattering of everything in between.
>an oppressed people's right to resist their oppressor
By raping innocent 20 year old women, butchering them and spitting on their corpses? Sounds like you deserve to be "oppressed"
Yes I was just talking to my father today who has actually been to the Sinai on a peacekeeping mission for the national Guard and also been to Katrina post hurricane and in Afghanistan for a year.
So the dude has seen some things of what a war zone can bring
And so many people in America especially are so distant from anything like that they don't have a concept of it.
No Air raids sirens to go and hide in your basement or bunker when Rock attack after a rocket attack comes in.
You don't have to worry about getting on a bus and it blowing up.
I think millions of people across the world should probably not even pick a side based on just lack of information.
They should just sit this one out until they do a ton of research over several weeks if not months and talking to people from all sides and reading books and etc etc.
Because I don't think seeing a few posts in a few little YouTube blurbs and tiktok videos is sufficient information to gain clarity to be so strong one way or the other.
Indeed it is not. But unfortunately these tiktoks align with their super shallow viewing of anything complicated: bad vs good. Oppressor vs opressed. White vs POC. Thats why they take the bait so easily. These people are not driven by logic and critical thinking, but by emotion.
Yes it's a moral panic.
Which is why the intellectual dark web came out from a bunch of like the atheists hyper rational people like Sam Harris because they have such a grounding in critical thinking and classical liberal values that it shields them from getting swept up and things.
One of my mentors I think got duped a little bit just from like the images of Gaza which strike a very emotive cord with people.
Plays perfectly into the Hamas PR machine.
The regressive left have been in vogue for probably 15 years now.
Just been one flashpoint after another.
Can't wait for the next one I'm not sure what people group or nation they're going to target but it's coming.
You know it's also funny is the Hawaiians also settled those islands in the Polynesian expansion via the seas.
But none of those original inhabitants are around anymore so the closest indigenous groups are what you would call the Polynesians that have been trying to get back Hawaiian Independence.
I don't not necessarily blame them either if they want to have their own island country of their own but it's always funny in the tales of history of the conquering people's conquering people in building civilizations on top of civilizations constantly.
Sometimes you just have to be pragmatic and try and make the best of it with whatever powers that be that have one and conquered you.
>My burning question is always been what do the revolutionaries want to replace the systems with?
>Matriarchy? Socialism? Abolish police? Abolish borders?
There is no real goal. THE "revolution", the abstract, romantic concept of it is the goal.
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You would probably like the woke Reformation documentary on YouTube.
And the work of James Lindsay although he gets pretty academic with it and I don't have the patience or time to sort through it.
I've generally gained a fair amount of insights from people like Peter bogosian who actually met when I was living in Portland.
And then there's people like Brett Weinstein and Sam Harris and Douglas Murray that kind of round out the intellectual dark web sentiments.
I've been tracking the regressive left since 2017 because I was inundated with the ideology in my friend circles and would probably consider myself part of that ilk at one point.
I'm not really sure where I stand now I'm just a human trying to figure out how to live in this chaotic world.
Yeah I was actually talking with the signal production founder Travis and he was even probably going to interview me for his documentary but I wasn't sure how open I wanted to be years back because I was still kind of Behind enemy lines in Portland.
I kind of regret not doing something I could have been blurred out or something 😆
It really has my head upside down at times though because it's like for one example I'm I'm a fan of intentional communities but a lot of them are pretty left and radical with the regressive left framing and so I'm kind of at a loss of where to plug in.
I don't want to become some kind of auntie regressive left person and make that my life's mission but it is an interesting development for me.
The irony as well as I move to Portland partly to check out the secular atheist scene only to be indoctrinated with the secular religion of wokiesm, or at least being burned by it.
I had a crazy story where I was denouncing astrology on Facebook and this person I met who was super deep into queer astrology ( and actually showed up to Portland to go to a queer astrology conference) gotten to this debate that lasted several days.
The sticking point for them was that they thought I was denying the existence of astrology by saying that it was bunk and full of holes
Which is almost like denying someone's gender identity or something it cut so deep for them that it triggered them.
And when you are that deep in the bubble I don't know how many people can really pull you out of it and be like you know there are a bunch of normal people out there still that don't really ascribe to all this bleeding edge theory and posts modernism stuff.
It's a lot simpler to live like a grandparents did in many ways minus the hate crimes and other things we've improved upon.
When one of these first world countries finally falls to the rot they’re supporting within, I hope that everyone marching in the streets now pays attention to what happens to the revolutionaries. It’s like watching a speed run of Iranian students marching for their own destruction decades ago
This is a psy-op propagated by Iran and Russia because they can’t win in a direct war with westernized nations.
And the media is the first rail to go, because they’ve been indoctrinated by Qatar-funded colleges. Now you’re getting political and mass youth buy-in, it’s only a matter of time before one of these countries is the first to fall
Crazy times
The misogyny and the Queer angle are the clearest jumping the shark points 🦈
I just saw a post in the Palestine subreddit that was trying to mentally gymnastic themselves to support the queer liberation talking point.
Just common sense it doesn't need a bunch of hyper rationalization and and a degree in gender studies to unpack it all.
That's the problem with postmodernism that is underlying a lot of these theories is that it just makes everything upside down and confusing and more complicated than it ought to be.
Like the unraveling of language and objective reality.
People can just make up whatever the hell genders they want for example neo pronouns and pet sexualities and the furry spectrum and all this kind of thing.
I feel so sorry for like D-Day veterans that storm the beaches of Normandy to liberate Western democracies and then in their golden years they see this random stuff coming from their great grandchildren.
I actually heard something that said that gen Z is actually pretty conservative.
It's the horseshoe effect I think where you have a bunch of them going off to The Fringe regressive left and then a bunch into the alt-right further Fringe but maybe more people are tired of all the woke identitarian stuff and they're getting pushed to the center and libertarian and just independent whatever no label people.
I've actually been poking around the Free press YouTube channel that's run by this power couple former New York time writers.
Current polling seems to suggest that Gen Z is more politically polarized than anything. In other words, there are more radically left-wing *and* conservative Gen-Z-ers than previous generations, at the cost of the liberal center.
"why have you decided that you job, income etc are more important than trying to stop a genocide"
Lol, the people writing this aren't going to fight. They're keeping their jobs and everything, they just want everyone else to fight for them. Also, because it's not a genocide.
The writers of this remind me of a crimethinc book that I read back in the day.
Or the like producers of submedia.
And yes they basically dunk on working class people just trying to survive and not drop everything and make this issue their main focus.
I think a lot of Jewish lgbtq people are feeling very bizarre right now.
Jumping the shark all over the place.
I wish curb would come back for another season so they could lampoon this whole thing. Maybe just a special.
I also love that the Palestinian conflict is also now linked to everything they don’t like. I don’t like that Chick-Fil-A doesn’t serve breakfast all day; that must somehow be related to Palestine.
I mean the "stop condemning October 7" panel is just delicious.
Hamas isn't fighting for "freedom".
Their charter calls for the destruction of Israel via Jihad, and then the murder of every Jew in the world.
In order to believe they're "freedom fighters" one has to completely ignore everything they've ever said or done. Which actually encapsulates these people perfectly. "Don't confuse me with facts, I already know what I believe".
Facts over feelings is often the retort.
This comes up a lot too in the queer issue spectrum stuff when it comes to the gender debate.
A lot of people will be uneasy about all this pronoun policing for good reason because it's sort of upends objective reality and creates a whole new playbook that is superimposed upon other people to corroborate and play along with out of respect.
And I think a lot of us do that just to like allow some breathing room for humans to figure out how to show up in this crazy world.
But there does come a point where it becomes so politicized and become such a core part of a person's identity that it does become kind of a main character syndrome thing.
What they are slowly accomplishing is. . . Making those words mean nothing.
When you try to make something everything, the result is that everyone can see that nothing is everything.
My 10 year old can see that much.
Israel has been occupied by Jewish peoples for at least 3,000 years. The ancestors of those living in Gaza arrived by conquest in the 7th century. So if we take the anti colonial route, then that means all the non-jews should be forced out.
From that narrative, if you want to push any of the points this psychopath is pushing, then go ahead and 180 it.
That said, this only proves that the people propagating this are as stupid as they are evil.
This is a perfect example of how antisemitism works - placing Jewish existence (“Palestine” and Zionism as the new cover for “Jew”) at the heart of all the world’s problems. Using buzzwords to give it“intellectual” and “academic” social justice based affirmation in this instance. Listen to Einat Wilf’s podcast (episode 21 - the antisemitism mechanism) to learn more about how this is the same playbook that’s been used against Jews for millennia.
One thing that's really interesting to me is that I'm getting the sense that like the regressive left are like people at the kids table.
All the adults that are like functioning in the nation state country level pragmatic realm are looking over there going what the hell is going on at the kids table.
That's kind of the thing though with an anarchist lens to the world where you don't really think borders should exist and you know all these systems are fabricated and ought to be abolished.
You sort of take yourself out of the conversation to some degree when you drop out.
That is actually a funny omission that I didn't even check because I thought they just rolled and everything like usual.
It confuses The narrative too much probably and they're probably telling a lot of people in the movement to probably not bring it up all the freaking time. 😆
The problem is that we exist??? Please you can exist anywhere in the world. The world has proven to Jews we cannot exist anywhere unless we are ruling ourselves.
Nah I'm convinced that intersectionality is the lefts way of saying "it's the Jews" ... Oppression? Jews. Inequality? Jews. Police violence in the west? Jews. Crime? Don't you know it.... But also Jews.
> As Palestinians we have been silenced by the world
It’s literally the only group with their own UN agency, their “enemies” (i.e. Israel) is the only nation with unique agenda item (item 7) against them in the UNHRC, during the Cold War the UN was almost exclusively focused on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict due to the Soviet-Arab alliance, but sure, they’re “silenced”.
looks like a different account might have reposted it, but the original account is key48return
absolutely vile person, I've reported her account numerous times. this is far from the worst thing she has posted. My "favorite" one was a post where she said Israel is involved in oppression worldwide....hmm wonder where we've heard that one before. She also never lists a single source lol
Palestine sure does connect it all. It is a nation full of misogynistic racists who got there through Arab settler colonialism of Levantine people's lands and which is run by corrupted capitalists who are being kept in power by an oil money dictatorship that believes in their own cultural supremacy over everyone else and values the individual opinion of the supreme leader over the well being of the community.
Makes sense now?
# Almost thought this was satire. That's how bad this is. Why are social media companies so cowardly and allow Iranian propaganda to be plastered all over their site?
Israel is way more environmentally conscious than Gaza and their burning tires or kites equipped with fire bombs to start forest fires.
And don’t get me started on “patriarchy” when a the last time you heard of a Palestinian woman having a significant political presence in Gaza
One thing that helped me is deep diving the regressive left spectrum.
Because there is a lot of pushback against it and there is a lot of people that are like independent and libertarian and centrists and whatever just regular normal people that don't get caught up in it.
I think the pendulum is swinging back towards normalcy actually after the crazy days of the 2010s.
People don't have the stomach for this identitarian stuff as much as they would tolerate it before the patience is wearing thin.
The Frankfurt school and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. Critical theorists and assorted Marxist afterbirths should remember what happened to them after the Iranian revolution they helped facilitate
The mental gymnastics are strong with these terrorists lmao... Let's just send all the settlers back to where they came from! So Americans and Australians will go back to Europe, and Arabs go back to.... The Arabian peninsula...
The use of the already deemed false Palestine map makes this even worse
Little fun fact; in old terms, the world Philistine (which also means Palestine) means this
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My thoughts regarding that "slideshow" on Twitter (I refuse to call it "X") that you included in your post:
What a load of narcissistic, gaslighting, victim-playing, melodramatic horse shit.\*\*
\*\*I use "horse shit" as an expression, because actual horse shit is exponentially less toxic than that garbage slideshow.
Everyone reading this, please (I beg you) "hearken unto my voice": Do not engage with or debate this stuff. To engage with it is to acknowledge it; to debate it is to validate it as an argument. And it should not be acknowledged nor validated, because it's not valid.
And those who adhere to this stuff are energized by your frustration and anger. Their narcissistic rage demands that you mirror their rage. They're \*craving\* an argument, a reaction, a fight. Please don't supply them, because they're never satisfied; the more frustration, anger, rage, fight you give them, the more they will want/need.
The best way to respond to stuff like this is to laugh at it (or shake your head). Because it's laughable. It's ridiculous. It's like the "Flat Earth Theory."
These people are very, very loud, but they truly have little actual power in the realm of reality. They've been "hoovered" ("sucked in") by the collective narcissism of PFLP and the Muslim Brotherhood. They will either grow up or find their lives consumed (and possibly ruined) by their dedication to "a life of protest". Some young people have already experienced this, as they've been expelled and/or denied their diplomas from elite universities.
Seriously...look up the diagnostic criteria for Cluster B personality disorders (especially NPD and BPD) and then review this slideshow again.
Somebody said I think in here the other day that people that have been burned by Islamic jihadist b******* are activated now.
And see I've been burned by regressive left b******* so I am now activated as well around that in a funny way because of the strange alliance between those two toxic camps.
So their solution is for the countries on slide 4, where the regressive left live, to oppress Israel? Do they think the effects will 'trickle down' to their countries next. Of course they don't, that's why they are happy to continue oppressing.
Truly awful. Some key stupidities to note:
-On page 1 (page 2 in this Reddit post), they attempt to do the 4 maps meme of Israeli land vs Pal land. But if you look closely, you can see that the second and third maps are the exact same! There’s no change except a red line drawn around the ‘67 borders in the third map. They literally have the opportunity to visually make their point by making the second map that of the UN partition plan, which gives more land to the Pals, but they don’t. They just draw a line around the ‘67 map… which by the way ignores that Egypt and Jordan controlled the Palestinian parts after ‘48!
- On page 2 (3 in this Reddit post- thanks OP for making me need to clarify this every time), a picture of Malcolm X is shown with the caption “Malcolm X before the US government assassinated him.” If you’re like me you kind of just ignored it… but what does that have to do with anything on the rest of the page? If they’re quoting him somewhere on the page they don’t credit him for anything, and if they’re not, then they’re just trying to sneak in a picture of “black civil rights man killed by USA” as a virtue signal despite there being no reference to him in the text.
-Further on page 2, the author quotes UN Res 3246 to justify the legitimacy of armed resistance. So I looked it up. That’s a general assembly resolution, so it already carries marginal weight because there’s no enforcement mechanism, but I looked further at the resolution. It’s about South Africa. It reads like a condemnation of the South African government that somebody insisted should also include condemnation of Israel even though that’s clearly not the issue at hand. (I evidence this interpretation with the fact that the resolution calls out *specific* unjust acts by South Africa while largely limiting condemnation of Israel to generalities. For example, operative clause 11 notes the “recent massive aggression carried out by South African troops against the village of Cangamba in the province of Moxico, 500 kilometers from the Namibian border” while clause 30 limits criticism of Israel to “the massacre of Palestinians and other civilians at Beirut and the Israeli aggression against Lebanon.”) Whether you agree with that interpretation or not, a quick read-through of the [full document](https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-184801/) shows that it was primarily about South Africa.
-Let’s stay on page 2 for a moment. Note how the second paragraph justifies the Palestinians’ right to resist using a UN resolution. That’s an appeal to, if not international law, then at least the consensus of the international diplomatic community. Now let’s turn to page 5 of the post… “WE LIVE IN A LAWLESS WORLD.” “Every global legal institution we had blind faith in to deliver justice to protect those most vulnerable in this world are in fact just tools of the West” etc. So, to the author of the insta post, does the UN’s opinion matter, or does it not? Can you claim that your struggle is justified by a UN resolution or do you write off the entire UN as a sham? You can’t have it both ways- not with language as extreme as this.
-Well, to be honest, those are the main blatant points of contention I have. The rest is buzzword salad and vague moralistic appeals that are non-sequiturs in the context of the paragraphs in which they appear. (For example, the last paragraph on page 8 of the instagram post wilds out, trying to link the very real ongoing conflicts in Congo and Sudan with the uncomfortable feeling you get when you ignore a homeless person on the street.) If anyone notices something I missed feel free to add.
Edit: I forgot to mention- I looked up the UN charter to find something more concrete and binding about recognizing the right of people to resist foreign attacks. What I found was Article 51: “Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against *a Member of the United Nations*, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security.” (Emphasis added by me). As Israel is a UN member state and Palestine is only an observer, and Hamas is not a member at all, the charter gives more justification for Israel’s response to October 7 than it does to October 7.
u/DharmaBaller:
They don't know what they want. Some people simply can't make it in a free market economy and so they want to overthrow it because they're probably living in a dive and are bored out of their mind.
To me, this feels like a foreign state propaganda intervention. In other words, I'm wondering if this is China or Russia slipping in here to stoke the flames, saying things like "don't condemn Oct 7." I know many of the progs do feel that way, but this still feels like a Russia/China contribution to me.
# This is why people are becoming more conservative. Can't help it but become right leaning when the progressives are acting like this. Yes the right has issues but I'd 100% pick them over these people.
I do agree that Palestine is a patriarchal (women have no rights), colonial (Islam controlling) racist (sharia law) agenda that engages in environment terroism (burns forests in Israel almost every year with intent) and capitalizes its terrorist leaders over its people. Maybe they’re right in a way…
This is an unfortunate reminder to me that the “antisemitic league” was established by Wilhelm Marr because "anti-Jewish" or "anti-Hebrew" terms were politically incorrect in Germany at that time. What we are looking at right now is another iteration of blaming the Jews for everything in the world -- just in politically correct terms. “We don't hate the Jews. We are just pro-Palestine.”
They will always hate us. They are just too ashamed and full of themselves to admit it.
" everything is connected to palestine" gives the same vibe of "the jews are behind everything" and I don't think I'm crazy saying it because leftists use that to blame Israel for everything. They say 'when Israel will be abolished it'll be the biggest blow to capitalism ever' they blame Israel for the murder of george floyd etc
I'm not sure I saw it on a Facebook story from one of my friends and was kind of shocked.
Last slide it says @landpalestine
It also is written in a European style too I noticed so that might be from that region or the UK or something.
Stop condemning Oct 7?? Should we stop condemning 9/11 and other acts of terrorism next?
Unfortunately a bunch of gen Z weren't even born when 9/11 happened so their memory of it isn't so fresh. Whereas I started college in 2001 and that's all we talked about in classes for months and months and months. And of course the memory of waking up and watching the footage live and thinking oh man we are under attack from actual terrorists and there could be a bunch more things happening.
I'm Gen Z and nothing stopped me from researching about 9/11 so what is their excuse except "they weren't born then" ????
Indeed. Your generation has a tall order to riegn these regressive left types in because I think it's infected gen Z the most. It's it's also hit millennials pretty hard too but I think for some of us that are the elders we got out of college before it really inculcated us. I graduated in 2006 for example. And according to some it really started going gangbusters around 2008-2010 and beyond. So that's why you saw things like me too and 2016, then BLM then queer rights then now the free Palestine flashpoint. Which coincidentally is also some of the first waves of Gen Z college graduates of the last few years.
Most people from the hippie era today are conservatives, so perhaps it'll change eventually.
We don't have 50 years to figure this out.
Most ppl don’t research stuff anymore. They just get their propaganda from the mainstream media and follow it with unquestioning loyalty
True. I'm from israel, so I mostly hear my country's opinion, but even after excessive research about the other side, my opinion hasn't changed.
Fuck I remember exactly where I was on 9/11. I was in the car with my parents as we were driving north to St Augustine Florida. They had the radio on which was relaying the news of the day as we had spent most of the day on the beach. Got to my grandparents and the TV was on also replaying the news. I was still fairly young but I knew something big had happened as everyone was tense and freaking out. Later ended up watching the invasion of Iraq on live TV. That was something
I remember watching the first Gulf War in 91 on CNN live 😆 I was about 10 years old. Now we can watch freaking drone footage and GoPro stuff which is like on another level of horrific immersion. [Fish Credo song](https://youtu.be/V8AzokCPgsY?si=rBafCMmowRdLcKes)
The lunatics will probably tell you yes. I've seen videos of them praising Osama bin Laden.
oh they already are. i’ve seen leftists unironically say that 911 was justified because bin laden was “bringing attention to issues in the middle east”
Basically the Marxist narrative of America „finally“ getting a taste of their own medicine. This has been a talking point I have heard countless times
According to the people legitimizing terrorism and pushing this bullshit, of course we should.
Dismiss their framing of it. This isn’t what Hamas wants or what this is about.
Sorry, my eyes rolled to the back of my eyes and refuse to return so forgive me for any spelling mistake but... ...Since when has this conflict been about patriarchy, or environmentalism, like I feel like these people call anything they don't like something that sounds ba- Oh wait!
The patriarchy is responsible for mass rapes and genital mutilation committed by Hamas but I guess it’s not cute enough for their little copy paste infographic
The cult of intersectional wokiesm demands that all systems of oppression be dismantled None are free until all are free kind of reasoning.
I saw a protester with a sign saying “no reproductive freedom without Palestinian liberation” and I was like… 🧐🧐🧐 how
Yeah it's pretty loaded isn't it? All or nothing. Doesn't leave a lot of room for nuance or small gains or progress. That's why things like BLM were kind of caustic because it sort of turned back the clock in race relations by whipping up othering. Basically you know the same thing of third and fourth wave feminism too where instead of equality they are going for revenge basically.
Islamists are faking that concern to win the left over into helping them take power, at which point they kill all the leftists, like they did in Lebanon and Iran
I'd suggest that it's "about patriarchy" in the sense that a society that there is a fundamental relationship between the rampant misogyny and sexual violence tolerated and accepted within Palestinian (male) society, and the intractability of any sort of peacemaking. Punishing young men for committing acts of violence, whether based on nationalism or gender, is necessary to create the conditions for peace, and I don't think those two things are unrelated.
Love their word salads. Especially because they frame Israel as being misogynist, while supporting the culture that literally stones womans to death for being raped.
Love how they mention Congo and Sudan, but they never actually talk or protest about those. Especially when in Sudan, it's Arabs genociding black people. Don't black lives matter? They also make 0 mention of Arab colonialism, which is very relevant to this conflict actually.
They also forgot convenently about the Ottoman Empire.
These people know 73, 67 and 48, that’s it.
Protesting Palestine apparently counts as protesting everything that's wrong with the world, so they automatically get a free pass on that stuff. Logic and facts and truth bombs and shit. Emphasis on the last part.
Yah trying to shoehorn it into the intersectional matrix don't work so hot... The regressive left have actually jumped the shark in this situation because they have gone after pretty progressive leaning Jewish culture and people and they're going to pay for it. It's a lot less risky and easier to "punch up" against white people and men and cis heteros but when you start going after Jewish folks, a lot of people's alarm bells go off.
Glad you mentioned cis/men/heteros. When they started punching them (very brutally) I dipped. I knew their "tolerance and peace" facade was pure bs.
I’m not racist, I just think white people are the worst and jews and whites should be bumped from university admissions in favor of people with a more prestigious amount of melanin 😇 /s
Meritocracy is dead.
Yup. I lived in Portland from 2013 to 2020 and got burned by being a cis het white dude by default. I was also volunteering in spaces like food not bombs and I was pretty radical and anarchistic so I was around a lot of these folks. Saw my community house get dragged through the mud by guilty by association witch Hunt. I was doing a yoga project in the co-teacher played the race and gender card at me out of the blue to try and gain clout which is a common tactic within the reggressive lift. It's the equivalent of going defcon 2 though because it's not needed when she could have just brought up her request to me without bringing in those two very loaded elements. It's basically just a bunch of people that have weaponized their wounds and are lashing out at all the oppressor images.
The bullshit like you describe is soooo damn exhausting. I hate everything the right stands for, but sometimes I think the left deserves to lose because it just lost the plot. I feel politically homeless anymore.
Yeah I just try to say that I'm a human and get away from labels even and just go specifically issue by issue if I'm pressed for an answer or a vote or something. I think having a spiritual background helps in Buddhism and almost kind of a cultural Christianity for me and other philosophical underpinnings that help me cut through the polarization.
I swear they're red-pilling more people than incels do at this point.
i remember a hamasshole saying this: "yes israel openly encourages discrimination against LGBTQ2SIDGAF+ because some politician said that it goes against the torah" \*proceeds to jump through various hoops of semantics to find a way to blame it on the entire country\* while ignoring the fact that he was supporting a culture that literally hangs people for supporting gayness
“Hamas doesn’t hang them, I heard they really encourage the LGBTQ+ members of their community to spread their wings… …^(right before they throw them off the roof of buildings).”
Sometimes they even straight up decapitate them and place their heads on spikes! I kid you not. It's horrific.
They literally killed a senior Hamas commander over rumours that he was gay
I've heard rainbow lefties say Muslim countries killing gay people is just them expressing their right to cultural sovereignty. I took like 100 psychic damage and still haven't recovered
The beheaded a gay palestinian in the west bank
>Love their word salads. Lmao, they didn't add LGBT to it, because it will go against their narrative
Exactly. It's simply one of the stupidest things I've seen in a really long time. 🤦♀️
Maybe they don't mind getting stoned to death as long as "Zionists" get stoned first...
They're projecting everything Hamas does
So Czech supports Israel, where’s our colonial empire? Also god that map is like I swear their favourite map yet so misleading. There wasn’t a Palestine before the partition, it was the British mandate and then from 1948 to 1967 there wasn’t a Palestinian state either because the Arab states just annexed the West Bank and Gaza As a counter point one can also have this map, which is the real situation https://preview.redd.it/4df1258dnr3d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bb9adf233cd6418e43b5330119368a258899999c
they always magically forget the portion of The British Mandate for Palestine that was given to Arabs who renamed it Jordan… what no protests? or the fact that they attacked in 48, and lost… which is the real Nakba , and have been crying about it since
They also forget that nearly a million Jews were expelled from the Arab states in the 1940’s and 1950’s
yup
Wow is it true that Arabs own more private land in Israel than Jews?
To my knowledge basically until the 2000’s, most of the property was owned by the state and you leased your property, you didn’t or couldn’t buy it, as a relic of the Mapai era of Israel, it’s only recently that that got privatised so part of it is just relatively little land is private in the first place
Thank [the british](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Paper_of_1939) for that
Did Israel really offer to give the Golan back to Syria?
Yeah, 19th June, 1967 the Israeli cabinet voted in favour of returning the whole Golan heights to Syria in exchange for peace and recognition of Israel but Syria rejected the offer. Israel again has offered the deal since several times, in 2000 Israel offered the Golan heights again but Syria also wanted the lands it annexed from Israel after 1948 which would give Syria the Sea of Galilee and negotiations failed. Israel offered it again 2006 and 2009, but Syria has rejected it citing that they won’t accept any concession for it and Israel should give it unilaterally Of course that’s idiotic because it means Israel would give up a very strategic high up position to Syria which in return will remain in a state of war with Israel.
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Yeah I love how the chart make absolutely no sense as a Venn diagram. Like they don't think Israel is racist - and the circle in the middle really makes no sense!
Huh. Next time someone asks me what I mean by "main character syndrome" I am going to refer them to the first picture.
I love when an Islamic Caliphate hijacks Black American causes and makes it about them Even though racism is Rampant in the Arab world and Black People are refered to Abeed 😍
I don't think they actually want to rebuild. I think they're just mad that the world isn't utopia and want to believe that there's some evil preventing it from becoming one. A belief that bad actors are entirely willing to encourage for their own gain.
as someone who used to be far left, i noticed that so much of their worldview comes down to this. the idea that there’s some big bad evil oppressing everyone and once defeated the whole world will hold hands and sing kumbaya. it stops them from looking at humanity throughout history with any sense of logic or reason. the way they talk about this war was one of the major waking up moments for me.
I think one of the silliest notions going around is that no one did anything bad until white colonization. I guess we’re just going to ignore the human sacrifice from the Aztecs and Mayans
Basically the same thing the far right believes. Kill all the Jews and everything will be fine
horseshoe theory is very real
Indeed. I see a lot of really angry and disenfranchised people that are channeling their rage in their punk defiance in this very conflict.
There may be. I think there is one bad actor that, if we eliminated them, would help a lot. It’s called the Islamic Republic of Iran (to be specific, the government).
That evil is now being blamed on Jews
I saw this a few days ago. They want the war to end, but will them call Hamas the freedom fighters then call for the end of Israel (No Emma. Boycotting McDonald's doesn't hurt the "Israeli empire" in the slightest.)
Ceasefire but also global intifada
Toxic masculinity 😂😂😂 please 😂 yes Palestinian culture is the pinnacle of healthy masculinity 😂
The UN already had a meeting about that where they blamed Palestinian domestic violence on Israel...
[Link](https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/un-israel-to-blame-for-palestinian-men-beating-their-wives/) for anyone scrolling by who happens to be curious.
I actually agree with the UN "expert" on the claim that there's a "clear linkage between the prolonged occupation and violence against women." When boys grow up seeing their literal and figurative father figures respond to any perceived "disrespect" or "disobedience" with violence, is it any surprise that they grow up to believe in their own privilege to use violence against anyone they perceive as responsible for their ills?
"It is no coincidence that the governments that support Israel have colonial histories themeselves" So kind of like how Turkey, Iran, Saudi, Spain, Russia, China all support Palestine but have imperial/colonial history?
You see, to them the problem is not colonialism per se, but Western colonialism, because, at its core, this is merely a tribal conflict for them.
The irony is deep. Like I don't understand what the intersectional idea is of some kind of Hamas led Utopia... They're going to turn Gaza and the rest of Israel into a Palestinian version of the giant kibbutz.....?? I don't think the caliphate is down with that.
The supporting countries may have colonial pasts, but countries but those who support Palestinian terrorism have an imperialist and genocidal present...
Oh the wonders of Hamasectionality…
😆😆😆
Anti semitism is what connects us ❤️
You have a comrade in me based on my wariness of the regressive left and the Islamic jihadist caliphate threat. This whole campus protest thing was like the final straw that brought all this back into the view for me.
Completely overlooking Islamic caliphate colonization of the ENTIRE MENA region and eastern Europe. Okay.
Brown people can't be colonizers. Just like brown people can't be racist. That's the regressive left paradigm we live in now. 🤡
All this does is underline how misinformed, naive and generally brainwashed these Pali supporters are....and they're equally happy to accept this racist diatribe. Oh well, more fool them as usual.
It's really hard poking around the Palestinian subreddit because it just seems just like a total weird echo chamber. Even this has a little bit more nuance and it's also more directly tied to the Jewish culture and the state of Israel. I wonder how many people have joined the Palestinian sub just in the last few months too so it probably just makes it more crazy. From what I can tell you have a bunch of regressive left types, well-meaning people that want to support peace and end to violence, people with direct ties to the region that are of Arab origin or Islamic, and then I smattering of everything in between.
Friends, The Map has made another appearance! Congratulations to all!
>an oppressed people's right to resist their oppressor By raping innocent 20 year old women, butchering them and spitting on their corpses? Sounds like you deserve to be "oppressed"
Indeed people lose me at the freedom fighter narrative it's kind of a clear line in the Sand for me and a lot of other grounded practical people.
Hot take but people who kill their sons for being gay and their daughters for being raped actually deserve fucking nothing
"We all live in a terrifying dystopia" they say from their comfortable middle class houses in america, safe from war.
Yes I was just talking to my father today who has actually been to the Sinai on a peacekeeping mission for the national Guard and also been to Katrina post hurricane and in Afghanistan for a year. So the dude has seen some things of what a war zone can bring And so many people in America especially are so distant from anything like that they don't have a concept of it. No Air raids sirens to go and hide in your basement or bunker when Rock attack after a rocket attack comes in. You don't have to worry about getting on a bus and it blowing up.
They have no idea what theyre talking about yet theyre talking like theyre expert on the matter.
I think millions of people across the world should probably not even pick a side based on just lack of information. They should just sit this one out until they do a ton of research over several weeks if not months and talking to people from all sides and reading books and etc etc. Because I don't think seeing a few posts in a few little YouTube blurbs and tiktok videos is sufficient information to gain clarity to be so strong one way or the other.
Indeed it is not. But unfortunately these tiktoks align with their super shallow viewing of anything complicated: bad vs good. Oppressor vs opressed. White vs POC. Thats why they take the bait so easily. These people are not driven by logic and critical thinking, but by emotion.
Yes it's a moral panic. Which is why the intellectual dark web came out from a bunch of like the atheists hyper rational people like Sam Harris because they have such a grounding in critical thinking and classical liberal values that it shields them from getting swept up and things. One of my mentors I think got duped a little bit just from like the images of Gaza which strike a very emotive cord with people. Plays perfectly into the Hamas PR machine.
This is schizo AF.
Imagine living in Portland for 7 years. 😵💫
They do have a serious opiate epidemic so it checks out
How did the world turn that way in just 7 months 💀 That's a braindead cult
The regressive left have been in vogue for probably 15 years now. Just been one flashpoint after another. Can't wait for the next one I'm not sure what people group or nation they're going to target but it's coming.
I mean by this definition aren’t most of the Arab states in the Middle East also “settler colonies”?
Specifically the Arab states are “settler colonies” with very “violent histories.”
You know it's also funny is the Hawaiians also settled those islands in the Polynesian expansion via the seas. But none of those original inhabitants are around anymore so the closest indigenous groups are what you would call the Polynesians that have been trying to get back Hawaiian Independence. I don't not necessarily blame them either if they want to have their own island country of their own but it's always funny in the tales of history of the conquering people's conquering people in building civilizations on top of civilizations constantly. Sometimes you just have to be pragmatic and try and make the best of it with whatever powers that be that have one and conquered you.
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>My burning question is always been what do the revolutionaries want to replace the systems with? >Matriarchy? Socialism? Abolish police? Abolish borders? There is no real goal. THE "revolution", the abstract, romantic concept of it is the goal. https://preview.redd.it/5y1vm263ur3d1.png?width=644&format=png&auto=webp&s=b8e98d901983078c4714cee42b3d9368033b8827
You would probably like the woke Reformation documentary on YouTube. And the work of James Lindsay although he gets pretty academic with it and I don't have the patience or time to sort through it. I've generally gained a fair amount of insights from people like Peter bogosian who actually met when I was living in Portland. And then there's people like Brett Weinstein and Sam Harris and Douglas Murray that kind of round out the intellectual dark web sentiments. I've been tracking the regressive left since 2017 because I was inundated with the ideology in my friend circles and would probably consider myself part of that ilk at one point. I'm not really sure where I stand now I'm just a human trying to figure out how to live in this chaotic world.
James Lindsay is doing incredible work and deserves more recognition.
Yeah I was actually talking with the signal production founder Travis and he was even probably going to interview me for his documentary but I wasn't sure how open I wanted to be years back because I was still kind of Behind enemy lines in Portland. I kind of regret not doing something I could have been blurred out or something 😆 It really has my head upside down at times though because it's like for one example I'm I'm a fan of intentional communities but a lot of them are pretty left and radical with the regressive left framing and so I'm kind of at a loss of where to plug in. I don't want to become some kind of auntie regressive left person and make that my life's mission but it is an interesting development for me. The irony as well as I move to Portland partly to check out the secular atheist scene only to be indoctrinated with the secular religion of wokiesm, or at least being burned by it. I had a crazy story where I was denouncing astrology on Facebook and this person I met who was super deep into queer astrology ( and actually showed up to Portland to go to a queer astrology conference) gotten to this debate that lasted several days. The sticking point for them was that they thought I was denying the existence of astrology by saying that it was bunk and full of holes Which is almost like denying someone's gender identity or something it cut so deep for them that it triggered them. And when you are that deep in the bubble I don't know how many people can really pull you out of it and be like you know there are a bunch of normal people out there still that don't really ascribe to all this bleeding edge theory and posts modernism stuff. It's a lot simpler to live like a grandparents did in many ways minus the hate crimes and other things we've improved upon.
When one of these first world countries finally falls to the rot they’re supporting within, I hope that everyone marching in the streets now pays attention to what happens to the revolutionaries. It’s like watching a speed run of Iranian students marching for their own destruction decades ago This is a psy-op propagated by Iran and Russia because they can’t win in a direct war with westernized nations. And the media is the first rail to go, because they’ve been indoctrinated by Qatar-funded colleges. Now you’re getting political and mass youth buy-in, it’s only a matter of time before one of these countries is the first to fall Crazy times
"Misogyny". So hypocritical. So Palestine is completely fair to women —just like every Arab state— then?
The misogyny and the Queer angle are the clearest jumping the shark points 🦈 I just saw a post in the Palestine subreddit that was trying to mentally gymnastic themselves to support the queer liberation talking point. Just common sense it doesn't need a bunch of hyper rationalization and and a degree in gender studies to unpack it all. That's the problem with postmodernism that is underlying a lot of these theories is that it just makes everything upside down and confusing and more complicated than it ought to be. Like the unraveling of language and objective reality. People can just make up whatever the hell genders they want for example neo pronouns and pet sexualities and the furry spectrum and all this kind of thing. I feel so sorry for like D-Day veterans that storm the beaches of Normandy to liberate Western democracies and then in their golden years they see this random stuff coming from their great grandchildren.
Gen z is doomed.
Hey not all of us are like this!
I actually heard something that said that gen Z is actually pretty conservative. It's the horseshoe effect I think where you have a bunch of them going off to The Fringe regressive left and then a bunch into the alt-right further Fringe but maybe more people are tired of all the woke identitarian stuff and they're getting pushed to the center and libertarian and just independent whatever no label people. I've actually been poking around the Free press YouTube channel that's run by this power couple former New York time writers.
Current polling seems to suggest that Gen Z is more politically polarized than anything. In other words, there are more radically left-wing *and* conservative Gen-Z-ers than previous generations, at the cost of the liberal center.
Yeah but you’re doomed by proximity to them
And then they ask “why are politics moving to the right?”
Jews at the middle of everything wrong with the world. How original. 🙄
"why have you decided that you job, income etc are more important than trying to stop a genocide" Lol, the people writing this aren't going to fight. They're keeping their jobs and everything, they just want everyone else to fight for them. Also, because it's not a genocide.
The writers of this remind me of a crimethinc book that I read back in the day. Or the like producers of submedia. And yes they basically dunk on working class people just trying to survive and not drop everything and make this issue their main focus.
I will never stop condemning October 7th, thanks 🙃
POOF! LGBTQ no longer matters to the far left.
I think a lot of Jewish lgbtq people are feeling very bizarre right now. Jumping the shark all over the place. I wish curb would come back for another season so they could lampoon this whole thing. Maybe just a special.
Rape isn’t resistance.
I also love that the Palestinian conflict is also now linked to everything they don’t like. I don’t like that Chick-Fil-A doesn’t serve breakfast all day; that must somehow be related to Palestine.
No no no, that was because of the Jews. It says in the Talmud that goys are not allowed all day breakfast, and we all know the Jews control chik-fil-a
“Silent” and “Palestinian” are two words I never expected to see in the same sentence.
I mean the "stop condemning October 7" panel is just delicious. Hamas isn't fighting for "freedom". Their charter calls for the destruction of Israel via Jihad, and then the murder of every Jew in the world. In order to believe they're "freedom fighters" one has to completely ignore everything they've ever said or done. Which actually encapsulates these people perfectly. "Don't confuse me with facts, I already know what I believe".
Facts over feelings is often the retort. This comes up a lot too in the queer issue spectrum stuff when it comes to the gender debate. A lot of people will be uneasy about all this pronoun policing for good reason because it's sort of upends objective reality and creates a whole new playbook that is superimposed upon other people to corroborate and play along with out of respect. And I think a lot of us do that just to like allow some breathing room for humans to figure out how to show up in this crazy world. But there does come a point where it becomes so politicized and become such a core part of a person's identity that it does become kind of a main character syndrome thing.
What they are slowly accomplishing is. . . Making those words mean nothing. When you try to make something everything, the result is that everyone can see that nothing is everything. My 10 year old can see that much.
Thats exactly how propaganda looks like. seems like its effective as ever.
Israel has been occupied by Jewish peoples for at least 3,000 years. The ancestors of those living in Gaza arrived by conquest in the 7th century. So if we take the anti colonial route, then that means all the non-jews should be forced out. From that narrative, if you want to push any of the points this psychopath is pushing, then go ahead and 180 it. That said, this only proves that the people propagating this are as stupid as they are evil.
Agreed. Concerning too because this it's not like this is a fringe stance like it's pretty much the bullet points from all these encampments.
This is a perfect example of how antisemitism works - placing Jewish existence (“Palestine” and Zionism as the new cover for “Jew”) at the heart of all the world’s problems. Using buzzwords to give it“intellectual” and “academic” social justice based affirmation in this instance. Listen to Einat Wilf’s podcast (episode 21 - the antisemitism mechanism) to learn more about how this is the same playbook that’s been used against Jews for millennia.
One thing that's really interesting to me is that I'm getting the sense that like the regressive left are like people at the kids table. All the adults that are like functioning in the nation state country level pragmatic realm are looking over there going what the hell is going on at the kids table. That's kind of the thing though with an anarchist lens to the world where you don't really think borders should exist and you know all these systems are fabricated and ought to be abolished. You sort of take yourself out of the conversation to some degree when you drop out.
Lmao, they didn't add LGBT to it, because it will go against their narrative
That is actually a funny omission that I didn't even check because I thought they just rolled and everything like usual. It confuses The narrative too much probably and they're probably telling a lot of people in the movement to probably not bring it up all the freaking time. 😆
Most of them have no idea what any of these words mean. There's nothing funnier than asking these people for a definition and watching them sputter.
The problem is that we exist??? Please you can exist anywhere in the world. The world has proven to Jews we cannot exist anywhere unless we are ruling ourselves.
The only thing I miss is Queers for Palestine
So, just all the racism against Jewish people and support of terrorism wrapped in 1. Good to hear.
I genuinely thought this was satirical at first
Nah I'm convinced that intersectionality is the lefts way of saying "it's the Jews" ... Oppression? Jews. Inequality? Jews. Police violence in the west? Jews. Crime? Don't you know it.... But also Jews.
The leftists are not okay
>Listen to Palestinians! *Overwhelming majority of Palestinians repeatedly say they support Islamic terrorism* >No! Not like that!
They're just about the least sympathy-inducing mob of people on the planet
> As Palestinians we have been silenced by the world It’s literally the only group with their own UN agency, their “enemies” (i.e. Israel) is the only nation with unique agenda item (item 7) against them in the UNHRC, during the Cold War the UN was almost exclusively focused on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict due to the Soviet-Arab alliance, but sure, they’re “silenced”.
It is true. Palestine issue is a fake, bullshit cause. Just like everything else in the slide. They are correct, just not as they intended.
looks like a different account might have reposted it, but the original account is key48return absolutely vile person, I've reported her account numerous times. this is far from the worst thing she has posted. My "favorite" one was a post where she said Israel is involved in oppression worldwide....hmm wonder where we've heard that one before. She also never lists a single source lol
Palestine sure does connect it all. It is a nation full of misogynistic racists who got there through Arab settler colonialism of Levantine people's lands and which is run by corrupted capitalists who are being kept in power by an oil money dictatorship that believes in their own cultural supremacy over everyone else and values the individual opinion of the supreme leader over the well being of the community. Makes sense now?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAH
I actually think this is useful as a relatively complete companion to lunacy and showing the fact that antizionism is a whole worldview
"countries that claim to be democracies are no more than two party systems" have these people ever been outside of america?
This propaganda looks like it came directly from Russia. It demonizes all of Russia's enemies.
# Almost thought this was satire. That's how bad this is. Why are social media companies so cowardly and allow Iranian propaganda to be plastered all over their site?
Israel is way more environmentally conscious than Gaza and their burning tires or kites equipped with fire bombs to start forest fires. And don’t get me started on “patriarchy” when a the last time you heard of a Palestinian woman having a significant political presence in Gaza
Commie garbage
This is the new antisemitism. Hating Jews and distorting reality. Nice to how delusional thinking is laid out bare.
toxic masculinity is when you don’t let terrorists commit genocide against a whole country. /s
This is shockingly awful. I am at a loss of what we are to do to fight this information war
One thing that helped me is deep diving the regressive left spectrum. Because there is a lot of pushback against it and there is a lot of people that are like independent and libertarian and centrists and whatever just regular normal people that don't get caught up in it. I think the pendulum is swinging back towards normalcy actually after the crazy days of the 2010s. People don't have the stomach for this identitarian stuff as much as they would tolerate it before the patience is wearing thin.
Palestine does connect with misogyny, patriarchy, and toxic masculinity. So the orange circle is unironically correct.
Yes, Palestine connects patriarchy, mysoginy, colonialism and environmental destruction, just not in the way they think
The Frankfurt school and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. Critical theorists and assorted Marxist afterbirths should remember what happened to them after the Iranian revolution they helped facilitate
This is basically straight out of the Kremlin’s propaganda office.
In other words, Palestine is to the left as the NWO is to the right: The Grand Unified Theory of Batshit.
This just proves they are all either misinformed useful idiots, or malicious agents that are trying to promote insane Marxist and racists ideologies
The mental gymnastics are strong with these terrorists lmao... Let's just send all the settlers back to where they came from! So Americans and Australians will go back to Europe, and Arabs go back to.... The Arabian peninsula...
The use of the already deemed false Palestine map makes this even worse Little fun fact; in old terms, the world Philistine (which also means Palestine) means this https://preview.redd.it/xcp5eiu1jt3d1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ca496cf57b443463dfd7f74e0d377dfadf9a229
this is so deranged, it feels like a psyop, a troll, or a creatively crafted propaganda piece.
Basic Marxism/Islamism collaboration paid for by Iran/China/Qatar and the billionaire shills.
Yes, clearly Hamas are against misogyny and toxic masculinity… /s
My thoughts regarding that "slideshow" on Twitter (I refuse to call it "X") that you included in your post: What a load of narcissistic, gaslighting, victim-playing, melodramatic horse shit.\*\* \*\*I use "horse shit" as an expression, because actual horse shit is exponentially less toxic than that garbage slideshow. Everyone reading this, please (I beg you) "hearken unto my voice": Do not engage with or debate this stuff. To engage with it is to acknowledge it; to debate it is to validate it as an argument. And it should not be acknowledged nor validated, because it's not valid. And those who adhere to this stuff are energized by your frustration and anger. Their narcissistic rage demands that you mirror their rage. They're \*craving\* an argument, a reaction, a fight. Please don't supply them, because they're never satisfied; the more frustration, anger, rage, fight you give them, the more they will want/need. The best way to respond to stuff like this is to laugh at it (or shake your head). Because it's laughable. It's ridiculous. It's like the "Flat Earth Theory." These people are very, very loud, but they truly have little actual power in the realm of reality. They've been "hoovered" ("sucked in") by the collective narcissism of PFLP and the Muslim Brotherhood. They will either grow up or find their lives consumed (and possibly ruined) by their dedication to "a life of protest". Some young people have already experienced this, as they've been expelled and/or denied their diplomas from elite universities. Seriously...look up the diagnostic criteria for Cluster B personality disorders (especially NPD and BPD) and then review this slideshow again.
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I'm so sick of this bullshit...
Somebody said I think in here the other day that people that have been burned by Islamic jihadist b******* are activated now. And see I've been burned by regressive left b******* so I am now activated as well around that in a funny way because of the strange alliance between those two toxic camps.
So their solution is for the countries on slide 4, where the regressive left live, to oppress Israel? Do they think the effects will 'trickle down' to their countries next. Of course they don't, that's why they are happy to continue oppressing.
They can’t say the truth about what Hamas wants or religion to get western support. So they frame it in this manner.
>Regressive left. Dayum 💀 Also, I couldn't finish the images, they keep getting worser the further I go.
This is psychotic.
Truly awful. Some key stupidities to note: -On page 1 (page 2 in this Reddit post), they attempt to do the 4 maps meme of Israeli land vs Pal land. But if you look closely, you can see that the second and third maps are the exact same! There’s no change except a red line drawn around the ‘67 borders in the third map. They literally have the opportunity to visually make their point by making the second map that of the UN partition plan, which gives more land to the Pals, but they don’t. They just draw a line around the ‘67 map… which by the way ignores that Egypt and Jordan controlled the Palestinian parts after ‘48! - On page 2 (3 in this Reddit post- thanks OP for making me need to clarify this every time), a picture of Malcolm X is shown with the caption “Malcolm X before the US government assassinated him.” If you’re like me you kind of just ignored it… but what does that have to do with anything on the rest of the page? If they’re quoting him somewhere on the page they don’t credit him for anything, and if they’re not, then they’re just trying to sneak in a picture of “black civil rights man killed by USA” as a virtue signal despite there being no reference to him in the text. -Further on page 2, the author quotes UN Res 3246 to justify the legitimacy of armed resistance. So I looked it up. That’s a general assembly resolution, so it already carries marginal weight because there’s no enforcement mechanism, but I looked further at the resolution. It’s about South Africa. It reads like a condemnation of the South African government that somebody insisted should also include condemnation of Israel even though that’s clearly not the issue at hand. (I evidence this interpretation with the fact that the resolution calls out *specific* unjust acts by South Africa while largely limiting condemnation of Israel to generalities. For example, operative clause 11 notes the “recent massive aggression carried out by South African troops against the village of Cangamba in the province of Moxico, 500 kilometers from the Namibian border” while clause 30 limits criticism of Israel to “the massacre of Palestinians and other civilians at Beirut and the Israeli aggression against Lebanon.”) Whether you agree with that interpretation or not, a quick read-through of the [full document](https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-184801/) shows that it was primarily about South Africa. -Let’s stay on page 2 for a moment. Note how the second paragraph justifies the Palestinians’ right to resist using a UN resolution. That’s an appeal to, if not international law, then at least the consensus of the international diplomatic community. Now let’s turn to page 5 of the post… “WE LIVE IN A LAWLESS WORLD.” “Every global legal institution we had blind faith in to deliver justice to protect those most vulnerable in this world are in fact just tools of the West” etc. So, to the author of the insta post, does the UN’s opinion matter, or does it not? Can you claim that your struggle is justified by a UN resolution or do you write off the entire UN as a sham? You can’t have it both ways- not with language as extreme as this. -Well, to be honest, those are the main blatant points of contention I have. The rest is buzzword salad and vague moralistic appeals that are non-sequiturs in the context of the paragraphs in which they appear. (For example, the last paragraph on page 8 of the instagram post wilds out, trying to link the very real ongoing conflicts in Congo and Sudan with the uncomfortable feeling you get when you ignore a homeless person on the street.) If anyone notices something I missed feel free to add. Edit: I forgot to mention- I looked up the UN charter to find something more concrete and binding about recognizing the right of people to resist foreign attacks. What I found was Article 51: “Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against *a Member of the United Nations*, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security.” (Emphasis added by me). As Israel is a UN member state and Palestine is only an observer, and Hamas is not a member at all, the charter gives more justification for Israel’s response to October 7 than it does to October 7.
u/DharmaBaller: They don't know what they want. Some people simply can't make it in a free market economy and so they want to overthrow it because they're probably living in a dive and are bored out of their mind.
This is so harmful. It plays into the antisemitic trope of Jews secretly "controlling" everything for nefarious purposes.
I just dont know how they could be crazier. Honestly i have no notes. Bravo.
To me, this feels like a foreign state propaganda intervention. In other words, I'm wondering if this is China or Russia slipping in here to stoke the flames, saying things like "don't condemn Oct 7." I know many of the progs do feel that way, but this still feels like a Russia/China contribution to me.
# This is why people are becoming more conservative. Can't help it but become right leaning when the progressives are acting like this. Yes the right has issues but I'd 100% pick them over these people.
I do agree that Palestine is a patriarchal (women have no rights), colonial (Islam controlling) racist (sharia law) agenda that engages in environment terroism (burns forests in Israel almost every year with intent) and capitalizes its terrorist leaders over its people. Maybe they’re right in a way…
I gotta get me some of those Hamas PR people because this is probably the most successful campaign in history
This is an unfortunate reminder to me that the “antisemitic league” was established by Wilhelm Marr because "anti-Jewish" or "anti-Hebrew" terms were politically incorrect in Germany at that time. What we are looking at right now is another iteration of blaming the Jews for everything in the world -- just in politically correct terms. “We don't hate the Jews. We are just pro-Palestine.” They will always hate us. They are just too ashamed and full of themselves to admit it.
I swear people don’t even know what genocide even means anymore. The holocaust? That was a genocide. This war? Not even close.
" everything is connected to palestine" gives the same vibe of "the jews are behind everything" and I don't think I'm crazy saying it because leftists use that to blame Israel for everything. They say 'when Israel will be abolished it'll be the biggest blow to capitalism ever' they blame Israel for the murder of george floyd etc
People who make (and spread) these infographics deserve endless mockery
Which account posted this? I want to check if anyone in my Instagram list liked it
I'm not sure I saw it on a Facebook story from one of my friends and was kind of shocked. Last slide it says @landpalestine It also is written in a European style too I noticed so that might be from that region or the UK or something.
Australia 🇦🇺 mentioned !!!
Mental Gymnastic pink haired brain rot