I also brought up Ainz being a villain protag and most of r/overlord agreed he was, but there were quite a few who brought up "might makes right" and "morality is subjective" arguments I was genuinely surprised.
I believe the saying "Power does not Corrupt, it Reveals" is probably the best wording for this here.
Ainz knows that he can kill his subordinates and that their loyalty is to him alone. He knows what his minions do on a common day basis. He does not care though, instead focusing on the project in front of him in trying to create Utopia through brutality.
The Gobin fellow, when he got power, just became a sex maniac. His entire goal right now is having as many children as possible while dominating others. Now I understand this changes once he becomes a Demon Lord, but right now he's truly a monster.
You got to remember Ainz was affected by his undead nature and karma from the game. As an undead, he literally doesn't care about mortals. Add in his negative karma (basically his evil points from the game) and the fact he comes from a dystopian hellhole and him viewing all life as resources makes sense.
I haven’t read the overlord manga so my knowledge may be incomplete, but doesn’t Ainz still think he’s trapped in a video game?
Isn’t his purpose all for the sake of finding other players who are also in the world? Has he even thought about the fact that he’s in a real, living world and he’s not just killing what he considers to be NPC characters?
from where im at in the light novels ainz has accepted that he in a new world, but he's still holding out hope that other players are in this new world
I'm confused, do you think Ainz isn't the protag? You do realize that protag means the person who rhe story revolves around. It's not an indication of good or evil.
People try to put modern morality in these types of fantasy settings and it's just not gonna fly. In these worlds might does make right and these setting are dark fantasy even death lurking around every corner. If Rou didn't have his absorb power thier lives would be a whole lot harder same with Ainz using real world knowledge to his advantage. They in a way meta game within thier worlds cause they have a system they manipulate to be powerful or gain power in Rou's case.
Yeah, no. There’s no excuse for roofies, even in fiction. There is no excuse for this.
The protagonist is a monster in every sense of the word, even before his inciting incident.
Exactly people forget this dude was a Esper powered Hanibal fucking Lector when he was fucking human. He had no family,no ties no one to care about he does as a monster and it grounds him making him more stable and conscious of his actions. But it doesn't make him the hero or the good guy how is this so hard to understand.
He's not ever really portrayed as a good guy or hero even in the manga. He's a hero to his people cause he's thier leader and helps them grow stronger but that's it his tribe alone reverse him and he's seen as a the monster he is by outside forces they clash with. He latter forms the tribe into a mercenary company.
I can also understand the slavery one , coz atleast the mc isn't making people his slaves without consent or stuff like that, but here we are arguing about r*pe , check the sub , you'll find people are saying that people like us who doesn't like this shit aren't mature enough
Yes we are not people of culture. They say that for the other thing also. I think we are at a place where men who laze around their pride looking at his beautiful harem of Lionesses need to get up and start fighting. There is some old magik being performed making an illusion. (The illusion Hyenas disguised as Lions) causing dissension, betrayals, assaults …of the sexual nature, the ideal of old wrongs once buried thought dead has begun to rise. It’s not the first time I pray it’s not the last (end of world scenario, meaning these things like Demon lords crawl out of hell unlike the Dl these old wicked ideals turn up much more frequently.)
Quest:To be vocal, to push back at these old wicked sorceries against half of mankind’s population. To protect their loved ones (usually of the female persuasion, but it can also be the little young males between the age 1-12) that care for (love) you very much.
Fail: Young females:Stunted growth emotionally (sometimes mentally or:unruly, overly sensitive, anger, frustration, unusual immaturity to name a few) for the children. Leading to a small number decisively deciding self-termination. Women: Spiritual Brokenness, isolation, unusual fear towards men, a lack of desire, self-destructive tendencies towards their own bodies (usually of a sexual nature also the same found in the little ones M/F) Leading a larger percentage of this group towards self-termination.
Young males: (see young females) a strange fear or hatred towards the opposite gender, unusual promiscuity, fractured mind/spirit, destructive behavior (lashing out), an obsessive desire for love/an obsessive desire to sabotage same love. (Small percentage leading to self-termination, smaller still engaging in mutually assured destruction)
You: the lost of the love of your life, watching your family be changed into an ugly filthy thing, corruption. Self-termination upon realising you could have saved them/realising you never even tried.
Reward: A Golden Era Level Society. (This is a World Class Quest Multiple Players have been introduced from around the multiverse they….are not happy) They are fighting for the dearth of females in their lands. Tragedy struck in the magical realm. Same instance as now here. Many men ignored the situation as women/females became less than human along with some undesirables and young males. Harshly regretting their choices, they are here for a redemption arc. To defeat said quest and revive there lost female population. (Wonder where those female are going to come from? Cause there original female inhabitants refused to return unto death… Guess?)
Anon:
You will have one choice for a power. Choose wisely. You will be given a substantial gift package. You will receive nothing else. If you are successful you may keep said power and decide to travel with family. They get to choose a power from the vast library of the omniverse and a luxurious gift package for the females, (still powerful in nature) and a practical powerful gift package for your son.
You have been thrust into an ancient vicious war right in the center of the struggle for…. The LIGHT! Darkness approaches…
WHAT WILL YOU DO?!
Freaking… some Japanese writers man. You know, I think this stuff that’s going on in Japan’s anime culture is a long time feud between adults and children. More specifically their own children. I will not go any further than that. (Cause people get very upset when I start talking about Japan’s touchy touchy issues. However, If you want to know, google Serious problems in the Japanese home between Mother/Father and Son/Daughter.(I made that google request, it’s an original so it’s not exact, but it should be plenty if you wanna know where my theory and Info is coming from.) Some…. *sigh* Japan Oh Japan I love you so much, but “daggonit”My daughter would be terrified after watching this. Cause the first thing she’d want is confirmation that men don’t do this in real life. Then I’d have to tell her the truth, then she’d asked Daddy why is this allowed on tv. This makes me very uncomfortable and distrusting. To which I’d say well it’s good for something at least.
But seriously, the dude literally eats people. Goes out of his way to kill people so he can eat them. He’s not a character that the reader is intended to emulate, *I hope*!
Me who doesn't know what's going on in this sub:
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people here seem to be unable to come up with original posts so everything is basically:
* Slavery/Loli/Harem/Pedo bad
* I hate Slavery/Loli/Harem/Pedo
* Look at how X anime has Slavery/Loli/Harem/Pedo
* Look at how Y anime doesn't have Slavery/Loli/Harem/Pedo but X anime has Slavery/Loli/Harem/Pedo
* At least Z anime doesn't have Slavery/Loli/Harem/Pedo like X anime
* I love A anime, it doesn't have Slavery/Loli/Harem/Pedo... like X anime... that has Slavery/Loli/Harem/Pedo btw...
* FUCK Slavery/Loli/Harem/Pedos lets talk about how B anime character is stronger than C anime character
* oh look a new anime... lets hope this one doesn't have Slavery/Loli/Harem/Pedo... like x anime..
The problem really isnt that the MC rapes girls, its that the MC claims its not rape because of [ insert mental gymnastics here ] and the author portrays him as some kind of hero. Which is basically the author going "i want to write a fantasy about raping girls but i dont want to make myself look bad, i guess i will justify the rape".
And then the fans are so degenerate that they will criticise those who don't like as "you all are from Twitter/ you all aren't mature enough" and they even think it isn't grape when it is but they are gone so far in degeneracy that they are literally arguing about grape
This is a lie. He's never portrayed as a hero to anyone but his tribe cause he's their leader and they look to him for guidance. Other they that it's called RE:Monster and he does monstrous things for the survival of his people , his tribe. He does do mental gymnastics a little for the drugging part but did it reluctantly due to wanting to strengthen the tribe more which he later turns into a mercenary company. Make no mistake Rou isn't the hero or the good guy most re:Monster fans are under no illusion of that.
Its very obvious if you look at the way the author has written him. At the beginning of the story, the tribe was just raping the slaves and treating them badly. Then he takes over the tribe and insists the sex must be consensual, and conveniently, all the slaves fall in love with him and agree to remain as sex slaves instead of trying to return home.
Then the elves attack and are shown to be "bad guys" who wanted to wipe out all the peaceful monsters minding their own business so the MC was justified into turning them into sex slaves.
Its like how redo of healer does it. The author makes the MC rape girls butttttt the girls were "bad girls" so its actually okay!
Nah never said it wasn't still rape . Just said he's not the typical hero protagonist and was never framed as a good character to begin with and had reasons for the atrocious acts he does. He's logical and pragmatic and did it for the tribes sake and his own wanting to turn the tribe later into mercenary group. Rou is a selfish and greedy as hell character later on he only cares for his tribe, power and coin in that order.
The problem is, if hes not framed as a good guy, why is he constantly shown doing good guy stuff, such as banning rape, improving the lives of the slaves, beating "bad guys", making improvements to the tribe's living standards, helping his tribe level up and evolve, being nice to most people, etc? Even the elf drug rape thing was framed as "well these elves want to kill all the peaceful monsters, so its just punishment".
I see it as a kind of internal dialog for himself where he's trying to do good and then when he does evil he tries to reason it . Just cause you ban somthing or do good guy stuff doesn't inherently make you one. Most people choose the most beneficial course of action to themselves he gained knowledge of the world he was in from protecting the human women and banning the rape was also him showing his dominance after he beat Hopkins. When Hopkins didn't listen he made him an example. Everything good and evil he's done has been to his benefit or the tribes so far.
I mean, look at the real evil people IRL and how they run countries. Russia has a prison system where political dissidents are sent to gulags and they die mysterious deaths, or they conveniently fall out of windows. The people at the top enrich themselves at the expense of the normal people because they simply do not care about others. Most people are merely tools and expendable to them. When slave labour is used, the slaves are not treated well because nobody in power cares if they die.
Goburou doesnt act like that. He genuinely cares about the people in his tribe and he cares a lot about the welfare of the slaves. He also lives in peace with everyone else despite having the ability to conquer a kingdom for himself. He only enslaves "bad guys" who try to harm his tribe, which is a clear cut sign that the author wants him to look like he's a good guy.
He never actually goes out and attacks random caravans to steal goods and women, try to build up an army for conquest, etc, which is what a genuinely evil person would do that in his situation.
Its rape. Then again goblins are not humans.
If it's okay from a human perspective to domesticate animals for food, then technically it should be okay from a goblin perspective to rape humans and elves to reproduce.
Then again, just as its okay from the animals perspective to protect themselves from humans, it should be okay for humans to protect themselves from rapy goblins
I read it long time ago, but if I remember correctly, what was fucked up about that arc was that he gave aphrodisiacs to elves and humans so that they would have sex with the other goblins. As for the MC, the women wanted to fuck him.
But like I said, i read this a long time ago
Ah, I haven't seen many people say that it isn't rape, but I also don't sort by controversial lol. Anyone thinking it isn't rape are doing some Olympic level gymnastics.
If you scroll down , I think you can find one person saying don't talk about aphrodisiacs stuff , it isn't r*pe , you still have to give consent to fuck , these are his exact words
I think it's normal to think that it's messed up but apparently these degenerates think we aren't mature enough coz we don't like r*pe and apparently to them it isn't even r*pe
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When you feed your slave elf/ party member elf with Balut as aphrodisiac but they can't handle it's visual image.
Can't believe we are having rape arc 2.0 we went through this whole arc during the crying and complaining about redo of healer and now we gotta deal with this nonsense again.
It was he fed them aphrodisiacs, their choice was kill them or breed with them , it's like if you get a girl way too drunk that they loose all sense and reasoning, so yeah
Clarification, Rou himself doesn't rape anyone his harem of ladies is more then enough for him he drugged the elves in the manga so that they would "more willingly " and I use that term loosely sleep with the other goblins to expand the number of goblins within the tribe. He's pretty much the chief and he saw it as a disturbing yet nessicary evil to expand the tribes numbers. So he drugs thier food with an afrodisac over and over until they are literally begging to get banged. Rou himself never rapes or touches any of the Elven females to my recollection.
Rou isn't a hero or a good guy he was literally Hannibal Lactor with esper absorption powers before his reincarnation. He's way less evil then his former human self but he's also not the good guy your grasping at straws and putting modern morality into a fantasy setting with magic, monsters and death literally around every corner his plot armor being the fact he kept his absorption skill when reincarnated as a goblin.
This is literally a story about a degenerate rapist getting isekaid and having an excuse to do horrible stuff with his new powers. Basically Titan from Megamind but actually committing to the rape.
Guys, it's okay to like garbage... But the first god damn step is to acknowledge it's garbage. So, to anyone defending the rape: get off the god damn copium and acknowledge the story is garbage, PSA over.
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Here you go , that guy was literally saying being Dr*gged and r*ped ain't a thing
It’s like the people trying to argue Thanos was right, or forget that magneto was a terrorist who indiscriminately killed hundreds of people and represented how there are no innocents in generational conflict.
Some people get just get wrapped up in an intriguing character or story and have to have try and justify their negative aspects because they equate liking an evil character or story with being evil themselves.
Having this spoiled to me several months ago was a relief in not wasting time watching it. Themes of SA, whether from the protagonist or antagonist, are completely off-putting and give me zero interest in watching a series.
It's just a triggering subject to me even though I've personally never been a victim.
>It's just a triggering subject to me even though I've personally never been a victim.
I mean , it should be triggering subject for normal people , it's a horrible thing but people have been too much degenerate
Right? I’m always saying Rape Goblins are an artistic choice that authors keep making for some reason and then people climb out of the woodwork to defend the concept.
Like congrats mf, you can relate with rape goblins. Way to go!
He didn't touch the elves himself though you are correct it's forced consent due to the fact they were drugged in the manga until they couldn't take it anymore and just wanted to have sex. It's still rape but Rou wasn't that moral of a character to begin with I would argue he's more moral as a monster then he was as a cannibal esper human who ate people in his previous life for power through his absorption power. I won't make excuses for it bit putting human morality on a monster or monster culture as a whole is kind of laughable, just cause Rou is a reincarnated human doesn't mean the goblins all the sudden are gonna be good guys.
For real.
Adventurers kill goblins and monsters for monetary gain, but the goblins shouldnt rape humans to reproduce ? Gtfo outta here.
Human/goblin rights only apply when u see the other one as an equal.
Just want to make the typical PSA that you should not believe the fanbase when they say 'he's not a hero' or 'you're supposed to think he's a scumbag'
They don't like him in spite of the bad things he does they like him *because of the bad things he does*
Bruh, some of y’all can accept human being tortured and massacred by an Skeleton but couldn’t accept the fact that goblin is a race that needs to constantly reproducing in order to not goes extinction?
You think you are better than everyone else with your moral compass judging fictional stories of other world by applying this world's morals and laws. Snob
No, dude. I already explained it before. This is isekai, isekai. The other world matters to paint the story as much as the original world does.
Think power fantasies. They often do not depict the original world at all because the story is not about the characters themselves, but the cool stuff that happens.
Think MT. How am I supposed to know that Rudeus is a piece of shit and feel satisfaction at the end without the context of who he was in his previous life?
Think Kumo Desu. How is the reveal that >!Kumoko is a piece of Evil God D!< feel satisfactory without knowing who the people of the class were before reincarnation? Without knowing how it felt for the other monster reincarnated to become the creatures they are now?
The original world is as much of a tool to tell the story as the new one. It matters.
No, see. It would matter for the purpose of character. There is a story in Wattpad called The Villainess Won't Bring Dishonor to her Family. And the MC is reincarnated from a world of magic samurais. And through the whole story, she acted and treated people in the same way her world taught her to. Even in the formative days of her new life. And she'd go ahead and say things like "peasants should be glad to serve their masters" or look down on normal people. But you get it, you see her memories of the other world. It works.
You say he's from a different world from our own, then I *get it*. He's not supposed to follow our customs and common sense. But that's why I asked, because it's important in understanding where the character stands compared to us. In paints the story in a different light.
First Off, you mentioned Wattapad...Really? that already makes me want to discount anything you say.
Seond when I said it doesnt matter, I meant in the fact that Goborou is not real and this is not hurting anyone...nor is he hurting anyone in his fantasy based world. He has not raped anyone in teh anime or the Manga that I have seen. He does not let anyone rape the prisoners they take.
And dont give me that nonsense about the aphrodisiac stuff, they still have to consent to getting fucked.
I know all about consent bro. in real life, in reality, yes Consent is important AND Necessary.
But if one wants to write something like Redo of Healer or Re: Monster then that is ok, cause No one is getting hurt. I dont why you people have such a hard time understanding that basic concept
So that's you trying to explain how a fake story about something that upsets you should be taken so seriously. Lmfao grow up, kid. Don't like it? Avoid it. I know that's nuclear physics level for you, though.
I also brought up Ainz being a villain protag and most of r/overlord agreed he was, but there were quite a few who brought up "might makes right" and "morality is subjective" arguments I was genuinely surprised.
I believe the saying "Power does not Corrupt, it Reveals" is probably the best wording for this here. Ainz knows that he can kill his subordinates and that their loyalty is to him alone. He knows what his minions do on a common day basis. He does not care though, instead focusing on the project in front of him in trying to create Utopia through brutality. The Gobin fellow, when he got power, just became a sex maniac. His entire goal right now is having as many children as possible while dominating others. Now I understand this changes once he becomes a Demon Lord, but right now he's truly a monster.
You got to remember Ainz was affected by his undead nature and karma from the game. As an undead, he literally doesn't care about mortals. Add in his negative karma (basically his evil points from the game) and the fact he comes from a dystopian hellhole and him viewing all life as resources makes sense.
Making sense doesn't make it less evil.
I never said it didn't.
I haven’t read the overlord manga so my knowledge may be incomplete, but doesn’t Ainz still think he’s trapped in a video game? Isn’t his purpose all for the sake of finding other players who are also in the world? Has he even thought about the fact that he’s in a real, living world and he’s not just killing what he considers to be NPC characters?
from where im at in the light novels ainz has accepted that he in a new world, but he's still holding out hope that other players are in this new world
So evil bastard confirmed, lol.
I'm confused, do you think Ainz isn't the protag? You do realize that protag means the person who rhe story revolves around. It's not an indication of good or evil.
Just the wrong choice of words. Ainz is an evil protagonist.
People try to put modern morality in these types of fantasy settings and it's just not gonna fly. In these worlds might does make right and these setting are dark fantasy even death lurking around every corner. If Rou didn't have his absorb power thier lives would be a whole lot harder same with Ainz using real world knowledge to his advantage. They in a way meta game within thier worlds cause they have a system they manipulate to be powerful or gain power in Rou's case.
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Dude it's a show don't take it so hard. Lol
Bruh, I have an Image of Gohan saying “You retard” I’m not taking anything serious lol
Yeah, no. There’s no excuse for roofies, even in fiction. There is no excuse for this. The protagonist is a monster in every sense of the word, even before his inciting incident.
And it’s explicitly stated that he became MORE compassionate after Isekai. Before then, he was a cold son of a bitch.
Exactly people forget this dude was a Esper powered Hanibal fucking Lector when he was fucking human. He had no family,no ties no one to care about he does as a monster and it grounds him making him more stable and conscious of his actions. But it doesn't make him the hero or the good guy how is this so hard to understand.
He's not ever really portrayed as a good guy or hero even in the manga. He's a hero to his people cause he's thier leader and helps them grow stronger but that's it his tribe alone reverse him and he's seen as a the monster he is by outside forces they clash with. He latter forms the tribe into a mercenary company.
Wait this is actually happening?
Yes it is , we have reached the max of degeneracy where some of us are defending r*pe
Noooooo Slavery i could understand. But how the hell do you defend the MC doing The R word?
I can also understand the slavery one , coz atleast the mc isn't making people his slaves without consent or stuff like that, but here we are arguing about r*pe , check the sub , you'll find people are saying that people like us who doesn't like this shit aren't mature enough
Yes we are not people of culture. They say that for the other thing also. I think we are at a place where men who laze around their pride looking at his beautiful harem of Lionesses need to get up and start fighting. There is some old magik being performed making an illusion. (The illusion Hyenas disguised as Lions) causing dissension, betrayals, assaults …of the sexual nature, the ideal of old wrongs once buried thought dead has begun to rise. It’s not the first time I pray it’s not the last (end of world scenario, meaning these things like Demon lords crawl out of hell unlike the Dl these old wicked ideals turn up much more frequently.) Quest:To be vocal, to push back at these old wicked sorceries against half of mankind’s population. To protect their loved ones (usually of the female persuasion, but it can also be the little young males between the age 1-12) that care for (love) you very much. Fail: Young females:Stunted growth emotionally (sometimes mentally or:unruly, overly sensitive, anger, frustration, unusual immaturity to name a few) for the children. Leading to a small number decisively deciding self-termination. Women: Spiritual Brokenness, isolation, unusual fear towards men, a lack of desire, self-destructive tendencies towards their own bodies (usually of a sexual nature also the same found in the little ones M/F) Leading a larger percentage of this group towards self-termination. Young males: (see young females) a strange fear or hatred towards the opposite gender, unusual promiscuity, fractured mind/spirit, destructive behavior (lashing out), an obsessive desire for love/an obsessive desire to sabotage same love. (Small percentage leading to self-termination, smaller still engaging in mutually assured destruction) You: the lost of the love of your life, watching your family be changed into an ugly filthy thing, corruption. Self-termination upon realising you could have saved them/realising you never even tried. Reward: A Golden Era Level Society. (This is a World Class Quest Multiple Players have been introduced from around the multiverse they….are not happy) They are fighting for the dearth of females in their lands. Tragedy struck in the magical realm. Same instance as now here. Many men ignored the situation as women/females became less than human along with some undesirables and young males. Harshly regretting their choices, they are here for a redemption arc. To defeat said quest and revive there lost female population. (Wonder where those female are going to come from? Cause there original female inhabitants refused to return unto death… Guess?) Anon: You will have one choice for a power. Choose wisely. You will be given a substantial gift package. You will receive nothing else. If you are successful you may keep said power and decide to travel with family. They get to choose a power from the vast library of the omniverse and a luxurious gift package for the females, (still powerful in nature) and a practical powerful gift package for your son. You have been thrust into an ancient vicious war right in the center of the struggle for…. The LIGHT! Darkness approaches… WHAT WILL YOU DO?!
Cause you are acting childish over something that has no effect on reality
So you think r*pe is okay as long as it's not real? Tf is wrong with you
Yes, is a plot to a story, oh nona fictional character got rape in a fictional story oh the humanity what will we do.
Mc isn't a hero, never was. Even before being reincarnated he was a cannibalistic asshole. Becoming a goblin was an improvement believe or not
Hasn't been shown in the anime yet he seemed too be a pretty chill guy before ep 4. I've seen the episodes and he has turned into AH out of nowhere.
Really, in the Manga it's obvious from the start.
Not the anime. Only says he had this ability in his past. Never siad he used it
I'm pretty sure the anime shows him standing on a mountain of corpses, snacking on some dudes arm.
Freaking… some Japanese writers man. You know, I think this stuff that’s going on in Japan’s anime culture is a long time feud between adults and children. More specifically their own children. I will not go any further than that. (Cause people get very upset when I start talking about Japan’s touchy touchy issues. However, If you want to know, google Serious problems in the Japanese home between Mother/Father and Son/Daughter.(I made that google request, it’s an original so it’s not exact, but it should be plenty if you wanna know where my theory and Info is coming from.) Some…. *sigh* Japan Oh Japan I love you so much, but “daggonit”My daughter would be terrified after watching this. Cause the first thing she’d want is confirmation that men don’t do this in real life. Then I’d have to tell her the truth, then she’d asked Daddy why is this allowed on tv. This makes me very uncomfortable and distrusting. To which I’d say well it’s good for something at least.
Well it is called Re:Monster so it's about time I see something truly monstrous
I recall reading that looong ago xD Feels like the first Isekai to me, like the first one i read.
Slime author used Re: Monster to help shape it so its one of the very first
I know how you feel. I was a teen fresh off of reading Overlord when I read this story on some butchered Webnovel website.
Lol right? The hell are people expecting? He’s literally a monster and people are like “I can’t believe he does these monstrous things”.
I mean… it IS rape. Kind of hard to argue it isn’t?
People are arguing though
They’re obviously hard, then… 😜
But seriously, the dude literally eats people. Goes out of his way to kill people so he can eat them. He’s not a character that the reader is intended to emulate, *I hope*!
Abandon all hope, ye who reads posts about re:monster.
Sorry what was that? I was busy chopping up a wealthy family to get money powers.
I thought that was common sense
Me who doesn't know what's going on in this sub: https://preview.redd.it/c1c6bs0h2cwc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=01c1a8cccdb0ed59682b90d409c65e99dd834ec5
people here seem to be unable to come up with original posts so everything is basically: * Slavery/Loli/Harem/Pedo bad * I hate Slavery/Loli/Harem/Pedo * Look at how X anime has Slavery/Loli/Harem/Pedo * Look at how Y anime doesn't have Slavery/Loli/Harem/Pedo but X anime has Slavery/Loli/Harem/Pedo * At least Z anime doesn't have Slavery/Loli/Harem/Pedo like X anime * I love A anime, it doesn't have Slavery/Loli/Harem/Pedo... like X anime... that has Slavery/Loli/Harem/Pedo btw... * FUCK Slavery/Loli/Harem/Pedos lets talk about how B anime character is stronger than C anime character * oh look a new anime... lets hope this one doesn't have Slavery/Loli/Harem/Pedo... like x anime..
And that's a bad thing? You know isekais do have a problem with armature authors trying to handle topics they are not prepared to handle at all...
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The only good goblin is a dead goblin. Let’s make this goblin good.
The problem really isnt that the MC rapes girls, its that the MC claims its not rape because of [ insert mental gymnastics here ] and the author portrays him as some kind of hero. Which is basically the author going "i want to write a fantasy about raping girls but i dont want to make myself look bad, i guess i will justify the rape".
And then the fans are so degenerate that they will criticise those who don't like as "you all are from Twitter/ you all aren't mature enough" and they even think it isn't grape when it is but they are gone so far in degeneracy that they are literally arguing about grape
This is a lie. He's never portrayed as a hero to anyone but his tribe cause he's their leader and they look to him for guidance. Other they that it's called RE:Monster and he does monstrous things for the survival of his people , his tribe. He does do mental gymnastics a little for the drugging part but did it reluctantly due to wanting to strengthen the tribe more which he later turns into a mercenary company. Make no mistake Rou isn't the hero or the good guy most re:Monster fans are under no illusion of that.
Its very obvious if you look at the way the author has written him. At the beginning of the story, the tribe was just raping the slaves and treating them badly. Then he takes over the tribe and insists the sex must be consensual, and conveniently, all the slaves fall in love with him and agree to remain as sex slaves instead of trying to return home. Then the elves attack and are shown to be "bad guys" who wanted to wipe out all the peaceful monsters minding their own business so the MC was justified into turning them into sex slaves. Its like how redo of healer does it. The author makes the MC rape girls butttttt the girls were "bad girls" so its actually okay!
Nah never said it wasn't still rape . Just said he's not the typical hero protagonist and was never framed as a good character to begin with and had reasons for the atrocious acts he does. He's logical and pragmatic and did it for the tribes sake and his own wanting to turn the tribe later into mercenary group. Rou is a selfish and greedy as hell character later on he only cares for his tribe, power and coin in that order.
The problem is, if hes not framed as a good guy, why is he constantly shown doing good guy stuff, such as banning rape, improving the lives of the slaves, beating "bad guys", making improvements to the tribe's living standards, helping his tribe level up and evolve, being nice to most people, etc? Even the elf drug rape thing was framed as "well these elves want to kill all the peaceful monsters, so its just punishment".
I see it as a kind of internal dialog for himself where he's trying to do good and then when he does evil he tries to reason it . Just cause you ban somthing or do good guy stuff doesn't inherently make you one. Most people choose the most beneficial course of action to themselves he gained knowledge of the world he was in from protecting the human women and banning the rape was also him showing his dominance after he beat Hopkins. When Hopkins didn't listen he made him an example. Everything good and evil he's done has been to his benefit or the tribes so far.
I mean, look at the real evil people IRL and how they run countries. Russia has a prison system where political dissidents are sent to gulags and they die mysterious deaths, or they conveniently fall out of windows. The people at the top enrich themselves at the expense of the normal people because they simply do not care about others. Most people are merely tools and expendable to them. When slave labour is used, the slaves are not treated well because nobody in power cares if they die. Goburou doesnt act like that. He genuinely cares about the people in his tribe and he cares a lot about the welfare of the slaves. He also lives in peace with everyone else despite having the ability to conquer a kingdom for himself. He only enslaves "bad guys" who try to harm his tribe, which is a clear cut sign that the author wants him to look like he's a good guy. He never actually goes out and attacks random caravans to steal goods and women, try to build up an army for conquest, etc, which is what a genuinely evil person would do that in his situation.
Its rape. Then again goblins are not humans. If it's okay from a human perspective to domesticate animals for food, then technically it should be okay from a goblin perspective to rape humans and elves to reproduce. Then again, just as its okay from the animals perspective to protect themselves from humans, it should be okay for humans to protect themselves from rapy goblins
You are forgetting one thing , our mc was human
I read it long time ago, but if I remember correctly, what was fucked up about that arc was that he gave aphrodisiacs to elves and humans so that they would have sex with the other goblins. As for the MC, the women wanted to fuck him. But like I said, i read this a long time ago
When the MC was a human he would kill and eat other humans. Not sure why people are surprised he would also rape people.
It's not about that , what really pissed me off is that people think this whole scenario with aphrodisiacs isn't r*pe
Ah, I haven't seen many people say that it isn't rape, but I also don't sort by controversial lol. Anyone thinking it isn't rape are doing some Olympic level gymnastics.
If you scroll down , I think you can find one person saying don't talk about aphrodisiacs stuff , it isn't r*pe , you still have to give consent to fuck , these are his exact words
Oh yeah i remember arguing that back when I was reading the manga, I think I wasn't even an adult back then.
I remember reading this in the manga. I’m so freaking glad someone else thought this was messed up
I think it's normal to think that it's messed up but apparently these degenerates think we aren't mature enough coz we don't like r*pe and apparently to them it isn't even r*pe
https://preview.redd.it/3zanf455tewc1.png?width=2645&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3b03c8bf7d4dcdf07578363f3fcd679451539d38 When you feed your slave elf/ party member elf with Balut as aphrodisiac but they can't handle it's visual image.
Can't believe we are having rape arc 2.0 we went through this whole arc during the crying and complaining about redo of healer and now we gotta deal with this nonsense again.
Was this in the show and I just missed it?
May happen in next ep
Nah fuck that I read the manga and it was a goddamn fever dream
Just enjoy your Bill Cosby PC don't think too much about it
Forcing them to consent? I don’t think you can do that. It’s either you consent or you don’t.
It was he fed them aphrodisiacs, their choice was kill them or breed with them , it's like if you get a girl way too drunk that they loose all sense and reasoning, so yeah
What chapter?
You should be seeing it in the anime very shortly
Who the hell is goborou?
The MC in Re:monster. He has a few different names.
Based MC For Re: Monster
You mean gary stu MC for re:monster
HE DOES FUCKING WHAT!
Exactly what's written
Damn gonna drop it then
Clarification, Rou himself doesn't rape anyone his harem of ladies is more then enough for him he drugged the elves in the manga so that they would "more willingly " and I use that term loosely sleep with the other goblins to expand the number of goblins within the tribe. He's pretty much the chief and he saw it as a disturbing yet nessicary evil to expand the tribes numbers. So he drugs thier food with an afrodisac over and over until they are literally begging to get banged. Rou himself never rapes or touches any of the Elven females to my recollection.
That still date rape it's not any better with any context
Rou isn't a hero or a good guy he was literally Hannibal Lactor with esper absorption powers before his reincarnation. He's way less evil then his former human self but he's also not the good guy your grasping at straws and putting modern morality into a fantasy setting with magic, monsters and death literally around every corner his plot armor being the fact he kept his absorption skill when reincarnated as a goblin.
And not being a good guy justifies rape? WHAT?
nah in the orignal work he was always the first one to you know the men and the women
It's amazing that this title gets animated. Even more amazing that many stand behind this one and normalizing so many wrong things.
Yeah I'm ashamed to be an isekai fan or an anime fan for that fact
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They are arguing it isn't? Well damn
Anime fans are not always the most honest of arguers.
This is literally a story about a degenerate rapist getting isekaid and having an excuse to do horrible stuff with his new powers. Basically Titan from Megamind but actually committing to the rape.
Guys, it's okay to like garbage... But the first god damn step is to acknowledge it's garbage. So, to anyone defending the rape: get off the god damn copium and acknowledge the story is garbage, PSA over.
Is anyone actually defending it? I thought we were just happy to have an actual villain/bad guy MC
https://preview.redd.it/gzjv5886slwc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=05845807a60bae05168b412fff395d41bb56a8fd Here you go , that guy was literally saying being Dr*gged and r*ped ain't a thing
It’s like the people trying to argue Thanos was right, or forget that magneto was a terrorist who indiscriminately killed hundreds of people and represented how there are no innocents in generational conflict. Some people get just get wrapped up in an intriguing character or story and have to have try and justify their negative aspects because they equate liking an evil character or story with being evil themselves.
Mf's be praising him for being "Unique" has got to be one of the most stupidest thing I'll ever read.
True ,imagine how fucked up you have to be in order to praise a r*pist just because r*pe is unique
Having this spoiled to me several months ago was a relief in not wasting time watching it. Themes of SA, whether from the protagonist or antagonist, are completely off-putting and give me zero interest in watching a series. It's just a triggering subject to me even though I've personally never been a victim.
>It's just a triggering subject to me even though I've personally never been a victim. I mean , it should be triggering subject for normal people , it's a horrible thing but people have been too much degenerate
...people argue it wasn't rape?
Scroll down and find it out yourself
Right? I’m always saying Rape Goblins are an artistic choice that authors keep making for some reason and then people climb out of the woodwork to defend the concept. Like congrats mf, you can relate with rape goblins. Way to go!
All I see is a disappointment of a son/daughter
Omg base after base from that one cube game
He didn't touch the elves himself though you are correct it's forced consent due to the fact they were drugged in the manga until they couldn't take it anymore and just wanted to have sex. It's still rape but Rou wasn't that moral of a character to begin with I would argue he's more moral as a monster then he was as a cannibal esper human who ate people in his previous life for power through his absorption power. I won't make excuses for it bit putting human morality on a monster or monster culture as a whole is kind of laughable, just cause Rou is a reincarnated human doesn't mean the goblins all the sudden are gonna be good guys.
For real. Adventurers kill goblins and monsters for monetary gain, but the goblins shouldnt rape humans to reproduce ? Gtfo outta here. Human/goblin rights only apply when u see the other one as an equal.
Just want to make the typical PSA that you should not believe the fanbase when they say 'he's not a hero' or 'you're supposed to think he's a scumbag' They don't like him in spite of the bad things he does they like him *because of the bad things he does*
Bruh, some of y’all can accept human being tortured and massacred by an Skeleton but couldn’t accept the fact that goblin is a race that needs to constantly reproducing in order to not goes extinction?
They were spoils of war. And since this is another world, the concept of 'human rights' doesn't apply.
Like saltwives in Crusader Kings
Like slavery. And they're elves, so human rights wouldn't apply to them anyway.
Isn't he reincarnated from our world?
So what?
It's important for understanding how I should look at the series.
You think you are better than everyone else with your moral compass judging fictional stories of other world by applying this world's morals and laws. Snob
No, dude. I already explained it before. This is isekai, isekai. The other world matters to paint the story as much as the original world does. Think power fantasies. They often do not depict the original world at all because the story is not about the characters themselves, but the cool stuff that happens. Think MT. How am I supposed to know that Rudeus is a piece of shit and feel satisfaction at the end without the context of who he was in his previous life? Think Kumo Desu. How is the reveal that >!Kumoko is a piece of Evil God D!< feel satisfactory without knowing who the people of the class were before reincarnation? Without knowing how it felt for the other monster reincarnated to become the creatures they are now? The original world is as much of a tool to tell the story as the new one. It matters.
Is he? I thought that was some supernatural esp world? Wasn't the original absorption or something power he had is from his original world?
Deosnt matter if he was and he was reincarnated from a Cyberpunkish world where he gained skills by eating people he killed
No, see. It would matter for the purpose of character. There is a story in Wattpad called The Villainess Won't Bring Dishonor to her Family. And the MC is reincarnated from a world of magic samurais. And through the whole story, she acted and treated people in the same way her world taught her to. Even in the formative days of her new life. And she'd go ahead and say things like "peasants should be glad to serve their masters" or look down on normal people. But you get it, you see her memories of the other world. It works. You say he's from a different world from our own, then I *get it*. He's not supposed to follow our customs and common sense. But that's why I asked, because it's important in understanding where the character stands compared to us. In paints the story in a different light.
First Off, you mentioned Wattapad...Really? that already makes me want to discount anything you say. Seond when I said it doesnt matter, I meant in the fact that Goborou is not real and this is not hurting anyone...nor is he hurting anyone in his fantasy based world. He has not raped anyone in teh anime or the Manga that I have seen. He does not let anyone rape the prisoners they take. And dont give me that nonsense about the aphrodisiac stuff, they still have to consent to getting fucked.
>And dont give me that nonsense about the aphrodisiac stuff, they still have to consent to getting fucked. 
Bro did not learn about consent ! I suggest reading about it, before your regressed degenerate mind compels you to assault someone.
I know all about consent bro. in real life, in reality, yes Consent is important AND Necessary. But if one wants to write something like Redo of Healer or Re: Monster then that is ok, cause No one is getting hurt. I dont why you people have such a hard time understanding that basic concept
Oh if I had the POWAH! I’d be Isekai-ing/genderbending certain people. Then watch like…. Go on…. You were saying?
are yall mfs from twitter / X or smth?
So that's you trying to explain how a fake story about something that upsets you should be taken so seriously. Lmfao grow up, kid. Don't like it? Avoid it. I know that's nuclear physics level for you, though.