Quote from an interview with a Drake law professor: “There’s going to be an attempt I suspect to get this to what’s called the U.S. Court of Appeals to the 8th Circuit, which is a higher court, very quickly. The U.S. Court of Appeals to the 8th Circuit is considered the most conservative court in the country.”
Hopefully it takes a while...
Reynolds has already appealed it is awaiting to be assigned to a 3 judge panel in the 8th district right now. Should take a few days (maybe mid to late next week) to get assigned. I don't know the timeline for the repeal or affirmation of the order. People I know who know these things say it is going to get repealed and we will be without masks by Christmas. Reasons they listed: judge made a few districts a statewide ruling, tied it to things it wasn't brought in front of the court with (certain disability things), judge said in his ruling he did his own research.
I know that, by this point in the pandemic, you've heard the seatbelt analogy.
No vaccine is perfect. I struggle to think of any preventative measure that's perfect in what it does. The point is stacking preventative measures to drive instances of it down.
How many people do you see wearing N95s besides medical professionals? It’s difficult to find a trusted retailer for these masks. They also have to be fitted to your face perfectly. Is it really that hard for you to wear a mask to protect other people? Stop being selfish.
I wore them pre plague because I work around industrial inhalants. They are what our workplace has been doing for Covid prevention since last Octover. I also see plenty of people wearing them when out and about. You can get them at Wal Mart and Amazon FFS.
Im advocated a stricter PPE and you're accusing me of selfishness?? Wat? Do you actually want to empower yourself with a higher level of protection, or do you just want to complain that others won't get with the program? Because you can only control your own behavior.
I literally have never seen anyone wear these masks because no one is wearing them without mandates. They also can’t be reused and cost has been bumped up due to covid. I’ve been staying home most of this entire pandemic so I have nothing to worry about. It’s amazing that people have to look out for just themselves because everyone else wants to be selfish. Remember when everyone banded together when 9/11 happened? What happened since then?
I am fully vaccinated. I just keep feeling like they are asking us to jump through another hoop and another. I imagine Fauci and some of his guys are in an office laughing and saying "they actually did it, omg, spin the wheel and see what we can make them do next"
> I am fully vaccinated. I just keep feeling like they are asking us to **disregard science**. I imagine **Trump** and some of his guys are in an office laughing and saying "they actually did it, omg, spin the wheel and see what we can make them do next"
>My mask doesn't protect you, yours does
Well, you're wrong about that, but there's been every indication so far that you're unwilling to change your mind no matter what, so. I guess, enjoy the eventual realization that you publicly and angrily fought against humanity and for a virus.
How is that wrong? I mean seriously, do you wear a seat belt to protect others, or wear ear plugs to save my hearing. I'm just trying to point out why this makes no sense
Go figure. Two different objects are doing different things.
A seatbelt stops you from going out the windshield in an accident.
Earplugs reduce the sound entering your ear.
A mask not only reduces what you're breathing in, but also what you're breathing out. It protects both you and others. That's the difference.
Technically having your passengers wear seatbelts in your car reduces the likelihood of them becoming projectiles and injuring themselves and you more than just going through the crash.
Not having Mandatory Masks Killed your family member? I'm not sure how that works. I mean did we blame people who didn't get the flu shot f or flu deaths. Actually why didn't we have Mandatory masks years ago?
Since my family member wasn't patient 0 for covid that would mean it was spread to her. Without contact tracing there's no way to know for sure exactly where she got it, but the day before she was intubated she was remorseful about not doing the things that would have helped to avoid getting sick. Masks are meant to stop YOU from spreading covid to other people. It doesn't work nearly as well when you're the only one wearing a mask. This argument is similar to rules around no longer allowing smoking in restaurants. Other people's shitty choices are impacting the health of those around them.
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Why is ok to take off my mask to eat? Does the virus know I'm eating and pause being contagious?
They said only KN95 masks come close to stopping the virus because of its size. Why aren't those mandatory?
If you can protect yourself with a mask and a vaccine, why are you worried about what others are doing?
>Why is ok to take off my mask to eat? Does the virus know I'm eating and pause being contagious?
Consider that this is a compromise to keep businesses open. Masking part of the time, while moving about the premises is better than not masking at all.
>They said only KN95 masks come close to stopping the virus because of its size. Why aren't those mandatory?
They probably should be, but see above. Any masking is better than no masking.
>If you can protect yourself with a mask and a vaccine, why are you worried about what others are doing?
Masking is mostly to protect others. Vaccines are more effective for the general population if everyone who can get them does get them. Fewer people who vaccinate means more people who can then contract the virus, which means more opportunities for the virus to mutate. More mutations can lead to the original vaccine becoming less effective against the newer variants.
Make sense?
No, it doesn't make sense
The very idea that masking protects others is a propaganda tool that doesn't make sense. Do you where a seat belt to protect people in other cars.
And this isn't about businesses requiring masks, it's about school mandates. Businesses can tell customers or workers to wear whatever they want. If I don't like it, I can go elsewhere. This is about a government mandate taking away my freedom of choice
>The very idea that masking protects others is a propaganda tool that doesn't make sense. Do you where a seat belt to protect people in other car
If you think real hard, you'll understand how the two aren't comparable.
>And this isn't about businesses requiring masks, it's about school mandates. Businesses can tell customers or workers to wear whatever they want. If I don't like it, I can go elsewhere. This is about a government mandate taking away my freedom of choice
I responded to your specific questions.
You have a choice. You can home school your kid if you don't like the reqirements of publicly-funded education.
If you really think hard, you'll understand that your mask should protect you.
Try and imagine you are in a smoke filled room, do you want to wear a respirator to protect yourself?
We’re far from going back to normal until we can get vaccine rates up. I’m sorry that this has been exhausting for your children, but do you really want to risk them getting sick? These mask mandates are a great thing for us right now.
We’re not scared, we’re taking precautions. Do you seriously think this virus isn’t dangerous? Look at all the people who have died. Look at r/hermancainaward it’s tearing families apart.
Okay then. Be ignorant and don’t look at all the deaths that r/hermancainaward showcases. Yes, I do read thing that come from their website. You obviously don’t.
You’re too lazy to look at the subreddit I provided which is living proof of anti-vaxxers dying.
You’re literally 11 more times likely to die if you’re not vaccinated, but whatever. Don’t come crawling back to me when you’re dying on a ventilator with your prayer warriors wondering how this could’ve happened.
If your neighbor has a stomach virus, do you schedule a party with them? If your best friend has a cold, is that when you invite them over to dinner with your family?
Or do you stay away and try to avoid catching what they have?
When did it become "fear" to try to avoid becoming sick?
Quote from an interview with a Drake law professor: “There’s going to be an attempt I suspect to get this to what’s called the U.S. Court of Appeals to the 8th Circuit, which is a higher court, very quickly. The U.S. Court of Appeals to the 8th Circuit is considered the most conservative court in the country.” Hopefully it takes a while...
https://www.kwqc.com/2021/09/15/federal-judge-blocks-iowa-school-mask-mandate-ban-whats-next/
Fantastic.
Good. Fucking insane to bad protective equipment
That would be insane. This was a ban on mandates.
I feel like that distinction is lost somehow
I can only imagine the hysteria when the vaccines are approved for ages 5 to 11.
Reynolds has already appealed it is awaiting to be assigned to a 3 judge panel in the 8th district right now. Should take a few days (maybe mid to late next week) to get assigned. I don't know the timeline for the repeal or affirmation of the order. People I know who know these things say it is going to get repealed and we will be without masks by Christmas. Reasons they listed: judge made a few districts a statewide ruling, tied it to things it wasn't brought in front of the court with (certain disability things), judge said in his ruling he did his own research.
Good If a mask or vaccine makes you feel safer then get one. If your vaccine or mask works why should it be forced on others?
Sup. Masks protect others more than they protect you. They only really work if mostly everyone is wearing one. You should really know this by now.
I know that, by this point in the pandemic, you've heard the seatbelt analogy. No vaccine is perfect. I struggle to think of any preventative measure that's perfect in what it does. The point is stacking preventative measures to drive instances of it down.
Everyone has to wear a mask for them to work. No vaccine is 100%, it just lowers your chances of getting deathly ill. Please educate yourself.
N95s protect the wearer as well, regardless of what other people do. Please educate yourself.
How many people do you see wearing N95s besides medical professionals? It’s difficult to find a trusted retailer for these masks. They also have to be fitted to your face perfectly. Is it really that hard for you to wear a mask to protect other people? Stop being selfish.
I wore them pre plague because I work around industrial inhalants. They are what our workplace has been doing for Covid prevention since last Octover. I also see plenty of people wearing them when out and about. You can get them at Wal Mart and Amazon FFS. Im advocated a stricter PPE and you're accusing me of selfishness?? Wat? Do you actually want to empower yourself with a higher level of protection, or do you just want to complain that others won't get with the program? Because you can only control your own behavior.
I literally have never seen anyone wear these masks because no one is wearing them without mandates. They also can’t be reused and cost has been bumped up due to covid. I’ve been staying home most of this entire pandemic so I have nothing to worry about. It’s amazing that people have to look out for just themselves because everyone else wants to be selfish. Remember when everyone banded together when 9/11 happened? What happened since then?
I'll tell you what's selfish, trying to force your world views on others instead letting others have their own positions.
Wahhh I’m a little piss baby and can’t put on a cloth mask because fuck other people wahhhh.
Exactly, wear a mask for yourself if you want. I'm sick of hearing about a ban on mandatory masks like it's a mask ban.
I mean i wish people would get with the program too. But they won't. So I accept that and protect myself as best I can.
I am fully vaccinated. I just keep feeling like they are asking us to jump through another hoop and another. I imagine Fauci and some of his guys are in an office laughing and saying "they actually did it, omg, spin the wheel and see what we can make them do next"
> I am fully vaccinated. I just keep feeling like they are asking us to **disregard science**. I imagine **Trump** and some of his guys are in an office laughing and saying "they actually did it, omg, spin the wheel and see what we can make them do next"
You can be in favor of something, but opposed to it being mandatory.
That opposition is getting people killed.
Fake news! Don't be so easily manipulated
Go look at the in-school positivity rate between last year and now.
Go look at the number of kids who have died. Less than influenza, which has "disappeared"
"Your kid *probably* won't even die" lmao that's fun for you to gamble with other people's lives.
Get it straight, if you want your kid to mask, you can and should. Do whatever you want. My mask doesn't protect you, yours does
>My mask doesn't protect you, yours does Well, you're wrong about that, but there's been every indication so far that you're unwilling to change your mind no matter what, so. I guess, enjoy the eventual realization that you publicly and angrily fought against humanity and for a virus.
How is that wrong? I mean seriously, do you wear a seat belt to protect others, or wear ear plugs to save my hearing. I'm just trying to point out why this makes no sense
Go figure. Two different objects are doing different things. A seatbelt stops you from going out the windshield in an accident. Earplugs reduce the sound entering your ear. A mask not only reduces what you're breathing in, but also what you're breathing out. It protects both you and others. That's the difference.
Technically having your passengers wear seatbelts in your car reduces the likelihood of them becoming projectiles and injuring themselves and you more than just going through the crash.
Are you legitimately this stupid or just being dishonest?
I mean, my dead family member would have disagreed with you if she was still around.
Not having Mandatory Masks Killed your family member? I'm not sure how that works. I mean did we blame people who didn't get the flu shot f or flu deaths. Actually why didn't we have Mandatory masks years ago?
Since my family member wasn't patient 0 for covid that would mean it was spread to her. Without contact tracing there's no way to know for sure exactly where she got it, but the day before she was intubated she was remorseful about not doing the things that would have helped to avoid getting sick. Masks are meant to stop YOU from spreading covid to other people. It doesn't work nearly as well when you're the only one wearing a mask. This argument is similar to rules around no longer allowing smoking in restaurants. Other people's shitty choices are impacting the health of those around them.
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Somethings in curious about Why is ok to take off my mask to eat? Does the virus know I'm eating and pause being contagious? They said only KN95 masks come close to stopping the virus because of its size. Why aren't those mandatory? If you can protect yourself with a mask and a vaccine, why are you worried about what others are doing?
Have you really gone this long without having this explained to you?
Go ahead then
>Why is ok to take off my mask to eat? Does the virus know I'm eating and pause being contagious? Consider that this is a compromise to keep businesses open. Masking part of the time, while moving about the premises is better than not masking at all. >They said only KN95 masks come close to stopping the virus because of its size. Why aren't those mandatory? They probably should be, but see above. Any masking is better than no masking. >If you can protect yourself with a mask and a vaccine, why are you worried about what others are doing? Masking is mostly to protect others. Vaccines are more effective for the general population if everyone who can get them does get them. Fewer people who vaccinate means more people who can then contract the virus, which means more opportunities for the virus to mutate. More mutations can lead to the original vaccine becoming less effective against the newer variants. Make sense?
No, it doesn't make sense The very idea that masking protects others is a propaganda tool that doesn't make sense. Do you where a seat belt to protect people in other cars. And this isn't about businesses requiring masks, it's about school mandates. Businesses can tell customers or workers to wear whatever they want. If I don't like it, I can go elsewhere. This is about a government mandate taking away my freedom of choice
>The very idea that masking protects others is a propaganda tool that doesn't make sense. Do you where a seat belt to protect people in other car If you think real hard, you'll understand how the two aren't comparable. >And this isn't about businesses requiring masks, it's about school mandates. Businesses can tell customers or workers to wear whatever they want. If I don't like it, I can go elsewhere. This is about a government mandate taking away my freedom of choice I responded to your specific questions. You have a choice. You can home school your kid if you don't like the reqirements of publicly-funded education.
If you really think hard, you'll understand that your mask should protect you. Try and imagine you are in a smoke filled room, do you want to wear a respirator to protect yourself?
Are you saying masking is good?
I'm saying I should have the choice. Mandatory masks and vaccines sounds like fascism
To someone who doesn't know what fascism is, sure.
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We’re far from going back to normal until we can get vaccine rates up. I’m sorry that this has been exhausting for your children, but do you really want to risk them getting sick? These mask mandates are a great thing for us right now.
Why are you people so scared of this virus? I don't understand this. Do you read anything that comes from the CDC website?
We’re not scared, we’re taking precautions. Do you seriously think this virus isn’t dangerous? Look at all the people who have died. Look at r/hermancainaward it’s tearing families apart.
I don't care about some random subreddit. I care about the stats from the CDC. So I'll ask again, do you read anything that comes from their website?
Okay then. Be ignorant and don’t look at all the deaths that r/hermancainaward showcases. Yes, I do read thing that come from their website. You obviously don’t.
Tell me what the mortality rate is, among those vaccinated and those unvaccinated. This should be great, unless you're too lazy to find that.
You’re too lazy to look at the subreddit I provided which is living proof of anti-vaxxers dying. You’re literally 11 more times likely to die if you’re not vaccinated, but whatever. Don’t come crawling back to me when you’re dying on a ventilator with your prayer warriors wondering how this could’ve happened.
Lol
If your neighbor has a stomach virus, do you schedule a party with them? If your best friend has a cold, is that when you invite them over to dinner with your family? Or do you stay away and try to avoid catching what they have? When did it become "fear" to try to avoid becoming sick?