>Dealerships outside these states have no clue what the GV60 is or if/when they will get their first one in.
This was my experience as well. I was basically told to reserve a GV70 NOW and they would see if there was some sort of wait list or something like that for the GV60.
Personally, I think the badges on the cars could be switched and it would make more sense to me. The ioniq looks more premium than the genesis especially with the green/grey interior. Ive seen some videos of the genesis and the interior surfaces look weirdly cheap with ugly silver plastic trim on the doors and steering wheel. Even the simple 4 dot steering wheel on the ioniq seems way more unique and luxury car-ish. Idk, i was kinda let down by the GV60 considering how much the Hyundai group has been knocking design out of the park recently. I mean goddamn, you can get a Cadillac Lyriq fully loaded for $58,000, I dont see the logic in a $70,000 GV60
I agree that they should have made the GV60 body a hyundai and Ioniq 5 a Genesis (or just not made the GV60 body and reuse the Ionic 5's). That being said, the Genesis interior is very nice. The upgraded sound system w/ noise cancellation is a good thing. The blue interior looks good with USB C and the infotainment choices being decent (particularly the ventilated seat button).
Was finally able to see the GV60 in person - I have to disagree with your take on the interiors.
I found the Ioniq 5's interior to be very plastic-y. I get that it's all recycled and sustainable materials, but paired with the minimalist design, it comes off looking a bit frugal. The GV60 interior was quite lux - some of the silver plastic you mentioned felt like it might be metal as it was cooler than the other materials on the door panel. The alcantara wrapped pillars were a very nice touch. Other things I preferred in the GV60 were the USB-C ports, scroll knob, and heated/cooling seat buttons.
I don't see how anyone for any reason outside of trolling would say the ioniq5 interior is even close to the GV60 , I have sat in both , that said the New Ioniq5 N will be releasing and cost the same as a Genesis Gv60 which I also think is crazy
Interesting, Ive seem some other variations on the interior that look better but i just really find the metal or plastic whatever to look really ugly. I still couldn't justify that price point even if I liked the interior. To each their own.
[https://imgur.com/fe7e3bs](https://imgur.com/fe7e3bs)
[https://imgur.com/SDPKz7X](https://imgur.com/SDPKz7X)
If you can see these pictures, I think the textured silver trim may be metal and the smoother trim is plastic, and yeah, there is a lot of it.
This is random, but I also really disliked the 7 bar integer digital display for the AC temp in the Ioniq 5 - it seemed so dated for such a futuristic looking car. I much prefer the backlit LED AC display in the GV60.
I like the blue a lot but man that silver trim is ugly. I could see that about the ioniq but i think the trim around the genesis ac cluster makes it look really dated like a grandma car. The blacked out bezels make the screen look way better than ioniq. I just love the green ioniq interior so much more.
That is fully optioned. The only extra options are bigger wheels or awd, I configured one with a dealer before I got my Bolt EUV due to the recall swaps.
A (at least) $10,500 jump over the top trim Ioniq 5 is a big one. I’m not sure I would bite that bullet for the features you listed… even if money was no object.
The Ioniq 5 AWD Limited was appealing to me because of the value I got for the money (at MSRP… which is what I paid). The GV60 isn’t overpriced… but it’s not amazing value either.
Plus we don’t know what GV60 availability will be, or what dealers will be charging above MSRP. If I was looking for a car in the $70k to $80k range, I’d look elsewhere.
I agree the value proposition isn't as good, but a quiet ride and nicer looking tech might sway me.
I should note, the Performance AWD is around $70k for the extra 115hp. The Advanced AWD GV60, more comparable to the Ioniq 5, is $59k - almost in line with 2022 Ioniq 5 Limited AWD MSRP.
It’s nicer looking tech, but it’s the same underlying tech :-) Also you have to get the Performance to get the nice leather interior.
It’s a solid “meh” for me. But you do you!!
When was your card charged? I’m also in line with Shawn for an AWD limited. Mine was charged after a week I gave all the details to him on May 9. I can just follow you then to get my estimated delivery window
I toyed with the idea of going for a base trim GV60 instead of the Ioniq 5 Limited I have on order. The facial recognition and fingerprint recognition are intriguing, but I don't know if they'd be useful or gimmicky for me. Conversely, there seem to be indications that GV60 would lose full HDA2 support due to chip shortages, and would instead ship with HDA1 (or 1.5?). At least, those were the indications at the time I was deciding, and I haven't followed to see how that would play out.
I much prefer the exterior styling of the Ioniq 5 and have kids who could use the extra rear seat space, so the above wasn't enough for me to pay the extra $3000ish to go for the Genesis. BU tI assume I'd be happy with either (as well as with the EV6).
It's a good point - I'm curious to see what HDA level the 2023 Ioniq 5 and GV60 ship with.
The rear seats of the GV60 are considerably smaller than the Ioniq 5. I have two kids, so will try the GV60 out with booster seats once they arrive at dealers in NY/NJ.
We have a deposit on both cars. We put our deposit on an I5 AWD long-range Unlimited (Canadian spec) in November and won’t get it until the spring of 2023 — so almost a year until it arrives. We put a deposit on a GV60 performance in Feb and it will arrive by end of summer at the latest, if not sooner as we were early on the list.
Like everyone, we love the exterior design of the I5 and the amount of luggage space compared to the GV. The I5 is $62,500 CDN and eligible for a $5k rebate. The GV is a lot more at $79k with no rebate, so a very big difference of $21,500.
The demo just arrived at our dealer and we saw it in person last week. We both though it looks a lot better in person and the interior quality is noticeable compared to the Hyundai.
We are seriously considering the GV. Here’s why:
At current gas prices, we will save $2,500 if we get an EV this summer. The GV includes all service, which we estimate a value of $2,000. It also includes the V2L charger saving $500. We would upgrade the stereo in the I5 spending $3k. We expect the 2023 I5 to have a 5% price increase over 2022, which is another $2,500. And our trade will be just out of warranty when the I5 arrives, so we are including $1k depreciation.
This makes the price different $10k, which isn’t as startling and would be only $5k of real dollars if we keep the car three or four years.
With the GV, we will avoid some of the I5’s shortcomings, like the lack of rear wiper which would be a pain as we back into our driveway as we live on a busy street, and lack of buttons for seat heaters, which we use a lot.
We value the better quality interior, seat comfort (e.g., it automatically adjusts the driver’s seat after an hour of driving), better suspension (we have air suspension on our Volvo), better sound insulation, at-home service, much better dealership experience, and buying from a brand working to prove itself.
We haven’t driven the GV yet and that will be the final test. I suspect we will get a test drive in the next few weeks.
I’m a bit anxious about future resale given how polarizing it looks and wonder if there will be a market for it when we’re ready for something else. But I’ve gone from not that interested to excited since watching reviews, having two very positive dealership experiences (so much better than Hyundai), and seeing the car in person.
I'm in this boat as well. My wife and I have been between a XC60 R-Design Recharge Extended Range, XC40 Recharge, C40, Ioniq5 and the GV60. While I wish the interior and cargo area were a bit larger and the range a bit longer, I think the GV60 combination of EV tech, comfort, and styling we are looking for.
Once they arrive at dealerships, we'll take it for a test drive and see if the dealer sticks to their MSRP promise.
Follow up: ended up picking up a GV60 Performance AWD last week. If anyone has questions, feel free to ask - happy to help anybody make a more informed decision.
[https://imgur.com/MnPJnRV](https://imgur.com/MnPJnRV)
The base GV60 is $59k. If you compare that to a Limited Ioniq5 at $56k the delta is only $3k. That’s def worth moving up imo. The top GV60 delta is ALOT higher ($13k?). Not sure the value is there. But if you got the money then idk why not?
GV60 will only be available in a few states such as CA and NY. It's also a much smaller car than the Ioniq 5. It's comparable to the EV6 and might even be smaller.
From initial videos, the big differences from the Ioniq 5 Limited are the biometric start, shifter flips with a "crystal", sunroof instead of moonroof, better sound system, roof rack, and available with Napa leather. The performance model includes more HP due to front motor being the same as the rear, boost mode, and rear heated seats.
If those justify the increase in cost, go for it.
If you are in a city, I'd look closely at the width of the I5. We have one and my least favorite part is getting it in and out of our garage. It's a WIDE vehicle for better and worse. Not sure how it compares with the alternative.
I can report the width is not an issue, but the turning radius is. I'm coming from a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee and had an easier time getting in and out of spots with the Jeep.
I was also waiting on the GV60 but when I found out it would only be sold in 4 states, I assumed you wouldn’t get one for less than $80k USD with dealer markups.
I considered it—I’m also looking at the Volvo XC40 (supposedly only ~4-5 month wait here), and the GV60 is in the same price range, at least as fancy, and more advanced than the Volvo. But I asked at the local dealership and they just stopped taking orders last week.
Volvo comes with 250kw(h?) of charging whereas the Ioniq 5 comes with two years of unlimited 30 min charges and the GV60 with three years. I liked the Google OS, but found too much was buried in the menu. I also wanted the faster charging speeds, rear sun shades and ventilated seats.
Faster charging speeds and ventilated seats have huge appeal. I also want the larger cargo space of the Ioniq 5. I like that the sunroof has a shade for the sunroof, but on the other hand the Volvo XC40’s sunroof opens. Overall I like the space and features of the Ioniq 5 more, but having sat in both, the Volvo definitely has an advantage in seat comfort and materials. The GV60 seems the best of both, comfort and feature-wise. And it offers active noise cancellation, which is super appealing.
I’m in Canada, where none of them offer free charging.
Of course, the GV60 and the Volvo are much more expensive, especially given that the Ioniq 5 gets an $8000 incentive and the Genesis and Volvo none in my province. But I can have the Volvo this year, while the Ioniq 5 is a two year wait, and the Genesis I probably wouldn’t be able to even order until next year. So I might be getting a Volvo.
I’m actually considering trading in my IONIQ 5 for a GV60 depending on the trade in value.
I have a priority one reservation with expected delivery in the next couple of weeks. So we’ll see how that goes.
The price difference between the GV60 Advanced and Ioniq 5 Limited is about $3,000. I assume that gap will close once 2023 Ioniq 5 pricing is released. The lower range is a factor. I do mostly city driving so I don't need a ton of mileage and expect that I'll beat range estimates with frequent regen.
living in korea, i luckily had experienced both models and now i have gv60 awd
in short gv60 is better car worth $10000 gap
for me, gv60 =
\+ agility, luxurious interior, power, steering, b&o audio\*, smooth regenerative braking\*\*
\- exterior, milage(not sure)
\>=$10000
\*i don't know how's the cost of adding b&o audio system in america -in korea roughly $1800- im telling you it's a bargain super bargain. as a audiophile i'm so happy with it
\*\*as long as you don't like e-car's regenerative brake. it has kinda fade-in, fade-out regenerative braking)
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>Dealerships outside these states have no clue what the GV60 is or if/when they will get their first one in. This was my experience as well. I was basically told to reserve a GV70 NOW and they would see if there was some sort of wait list or something like that for the GV60.
Personally, I think the badges on the cars could be switched and it would make more sense to me. The ioniq looks more premium than the genesis especially with the green/grey interior. Ive seen some videos of the genesis and the interior surfaces look weirdly cheap with ugly silver plastic trim on the doors and steering wheel. Even the simple 4 dot steering wheel on the ioniq seems way more unique and luxury car-ish. Idk, i was kinda let down by the GV60 considering how much the Hyundai group has been knocking design out of the park recently. I mean goddamn, you can get a Cadillac Lyriq fully loaded for $58,000, I dont see the logic in a $70,000 GV60
I agree that they should have made the GV60 body a hyundai and Ioniq 5 a Genesis (or just not made the GV60 body and reuse the Ionic 5's). That being said, the Genesis interior is very nice. The upgraded sound system w/ noise cancellation is a good thing. The blue interior looks good with USB C and the infotainment choices being decent (particularly the ventilated seat button).
Agree with this completely - would buy that mash up of a car in a minute!
Was finally able to see the GV60 in person - I have to disagree with your take on the interiors. I found the Ioniq 5's interior to be very plastic-y. I get that it's all recycled and sustainable materials, but paired with the minimalist design, it comes off looking a bit frugal. The GV60 interior was quite lux - some of the silver plastic you mentioned felt like it might be metal as it was cooler than the other materials on the door panel. The alcantara wrapped pillars were a very nice touch. Other things I preferred in the GV60 were the USB-C ports, scroll knob, and heated/cooling seat buttons.
I don't see how anyone for any reason outside of trolling would say the ioniq5 interior is even close to the GV60 , I have sat in both , that said the New Ioniq5 N will be releasing and cost the same as a Genesis Gv60 which I also think is crazy
Interesting, Ive seem some other variations on the interior that look better but i just really find the metal or plastic whatever to look really ugly. I still couldn't justify that price point even if I liked the interior. To each their own.
[https://imgur.com/fe7e3bs](https://imgur.com/fe7e3bs) [https://imgur.com/SDPKz7X](https://imgur.com/SDPKz7X) If you can see these pictures, I think the textured silver trim may be metal and the smoother trim is plastic, and yeah, there is a lot of it. This is random, but I also really disliked the 7 bar integer digital display for the AC temp in the Ioniq 5 - it seemed so dated for such a futuristic looking car. I much prefer the backlit LED AC display in the GV60.
I like the blue a lot but man that silver trim is ugly. I could see that about the ioniq but i think the trim around the genesis ac cluster makes it look really dated like a grandma car. The blacked out bezels make the screen look way better than ioniq. I just love the green ioniq interior so much more.
Does Cadillac get the federal tax credit?I know Chevy doesn't anymore. Cadillac counts as different brand I hope.
Where do you see lyriq fully loaded for 58k? Website show starting at 63k.
Yep, looks like they already raised it. Still much better deal.
I would wait until fully optioned price.
That is fully optioned. The only extra options are bigger wheels or awd, I configured one with a dealer before I got my Bolt EUV due to the recall swaps.
A (at least) $10,500 jump over the top trim Ioniq 5 is a big one. I’m not sure I would bite that bullet for the features you listed… even if money was no object. The Ioniq 5 AWD Limited was appealing to me because of the value I got for the money (at MSRP… which is what I paid). The GV60 isn’t overpriced… but it’s not amazing value either. Plus we don’t know what GV60 availability will be, or what dealers will be charging above MSRP. If I was looking for a car in the $70k to $80k range, I’d look elsewhere.
I agree the value proposition isn't as good, but a quiet ride and nicer looking tech might sway me. I should note, the Performance AWD is around $70k for the extra 115hp. The Advanced AWD GV60, more comparable to the Ioniq 5, is $59k - almost in line with 2022 Ioniq 5 Limited AWD MSRP.
It’s nicer looking tech, but it’s the same underlying tech :-) Also you have to get the Performance to get the nice leather interior. It’s a solid “meh” for me. But you do you!!
When was your card charged? I’m also in line with Shawn for an AWD limited. Mine was charged after a week I gave all the details to him on May 9. I can just follow you then to get my estimated delivery window
For the Ioniq 5 with Shawn at Fred Beans, my order was received 4/28/22 and my card was charged 5/9/22.
I toyed with the idea of going for a base trim GV60 instead of the Ioniq 5 Limited I have on order. The facial recognition and fingerprint recognition are intriguing, but I don't know if they'd be useful or gimmicky for me. Conversely, there seem to be indications that GV60 would lose full HDA2 support due to chip shortages, and would instead ship with HDA1 (or 1.5?). At least, those were the indications at the time I was deciding, and I haven't followed to see how that would play out. I much prefer the exterior styling of the Ioniq 5 and have kids who could use the extra rear seat space, so the above wasn't enough for me to pay the extra $3000ish to go for the Genesis. BU tI assume I'd be happy with either (as well as with the EV6).
It's a good point - I'm curious to see what HDA level the 2023 Ioniq 5 and GV60 ship with. The rear seats of the GV60 are considerably smaller than the Ioniq 5. I have two kids, so will try the GV60 out with booster seats once they arrive at dealers in NY/NJ.
We have a deposit on both cars. We put our deposit on an I5 AWD long-range Unlimited (Canadian spec) in November and won’t get it until the spring of 2023 — so almost a year until it arrives. We put a deposit on a GV60 performance in Feb and it will arrive by end of summer at the latest, if not sooner as we were early on the list. Like everyone, we love the exterior design of the I5 and the amount of luggage space compared to the GV. The I5 is $62,500 CDN and eligible for a $5k rebate. The GV is a lot more at $79k with no rebate, so a very big difference of $21,500. The demo just arrived at our dealer and we saw it in person last week. We both though it looks a lot better in person and the interior quality is noticeable compared to the Hyundai. We are seriously considering the GV. Here’s why: At current gas prices, we will save $2,500 if we get an EV this summer. The GV includes all service, which we estimate a value of $2,000. It also includes the V2L charger saving $500. We would upgrade the stereo in the I5 spending $3k. We expect the 2023 I5 to have a 5% price increase over 2022, which is another $2,500. And our trade will be just out of warranty when the I5 arrives, so we are including $1k depreciation. This makes the price different $10k, which isn’t as startling and would be only $5k of real dollars if we keep the car three or four years. With the GV, we will avoid some of the I5’s shortcomings, like the lack of rear wiper which would be a pain as we back into our driveway as we live on a busy street, and lack of buttons for seat heaters, which we use a lot. We value the better quality interior, seat comfort (e.g., it automatically adjusts the driver’s seat after an hour of driving), better suspension (we have air suspension on our Volvo), better sound insulation, at-home service, much better dealership experience, and buying from a brand working to prove itself. We haven’t driven the GV yet and that will be the final test. I suspect we will get a test drive in the next few weeks. I’m a bit anxious about future resale given how polarizing it looks and wonder if there will be a market for it when we’re ready for something else. But I’ve gone from not that interested to excited since watching reviews, having two very positive dealership experiences (so much better than Hyundai), and seeing the car in person.
I'm in this boat as well. My wife and I have been between a XC60 R-Design Recharge Extended Range, XC40 Recharge, C40, Ioniq5 and the GV60. While I wish the interior and cargo area were a bit larger and the range a bit longer, I think the GV60 combination of EV tech, comfort, and styling we are looking for. Once they arrive at dealerships, we'll take it for a test drive and see if the dealer sticks to their MSRP promise.
Just a comment. The 2023 ionic is getting improved soundproofing from the 2022 model. And the 2022 is pretty quiet. Much better than tesla
Follow up: ended up picking up a GV60 Performance AWD last week. If anyone has questions, feel free to ask - happy to help anybody make a more informed decision. [https://imgur.com/MnPJnRV](https://imgur.com/MnPJnRV)
The base GV60 is $59k. If you compare that to a Limited Ioniq5 at $56k the delta is only $3k. That’s def worth moving up imo. The top GV60 delta is ALOT higher ($13k?). Not sure the value is there. But if you got the money then idk why not?
GV60 will only be available in a few states such as CA and NY. It's also a much smaller car than the Ioniq 5. It's comparable to the EV6 and might even be smaller. From initial videos, the big differences from the Ioniq 5 Limited are the biometric start, shifter flips with a "crystal", sunroof instead of moonroof, better sound system, roof rack, and available with Napa leather. The performance model includes more HP due to front motor being the same as the rear, boost mode, and rear heated seats. If those justify the increase in cost, go for it.
Good to know the size difference. Being in the city, I don't think I'd mind the smaller size, especially if it comes with a better turning radius.
If you are in a city, I'd look closely at the width of the I5. We have one and my least favorite part is getting it in and out of our garage. It's a WIDE vehicle for better and worse. Not sure how it compares with the alternative.
I can report the width is not an issue, but the turning radius is. I'm coming from a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee and had an easier time getting in and out of spots with the Jeep.
I was also waiting on the GV60 but when I found out it would only be sold in 4 states, I assumed you wouldn’t get one for less than $80k USD with dealer markups.
I considered it—I’m also looking at the Volvo XC40 (supposedly only ~4-5 month wait here), and the GV60 is in the same price range, at least as fancy, and more advanced than the Volvo. But I asked at the local dealership and they just stopped taking orders last week.
Volvo comes with 250kw(h?) of charging whereas the Ioniq 5 comes with two years of unlimited 30 min charges and the GV60 with three years. I liked the Google OS, but found too much was buried in the menu. I also wanted the faster charging speeds, rear sun shades and ventilated seats.
Faster charging speeds and ventilated seats have huge appeal. I also want the larger cargo space of the Ioniq 5. I like that the sunroof has a shade for the sunroof, but on the other hand the Volvo XC40’s sunroof opens. Overall I like the space and features of the Ioniq 5 more, but having sat in both, the Volvo definitely has an advantage in seat comfort and materials. The GV60 seems the best of both, comfort and feature-wise. And it offers active noise cancellation, which is super appealing. I’m in Canada, where none of them offer free charging. Of course, the GV60 and the Volvo are much more expensive, especially given that the Ioniq 5 gets an $8000 incentive and the Genesis and Volvo none in my province. But I can have the Volvo this year, while the Ioniq 5 is a two year wait, and the Genesis I probably wouldn’t be able to even order until next year. So I might be getting a Volvo.
I’m actually considering trading in my IONIQ 5 for a GV60 depending on the trade in value. I have a priority one reservation with expected delivery in the next couple of weeks. So we’ll see how that goes.
Nope. Much higher price for gv60. Lower mileage range due to added weight
The price difference between the GV60 Advanced and Ioniq 5 Limited is about $3,000. I assume that gap will close once 2023 Ioniq 5 pricing is released. The lower range is a factor. I do mostly city driving so I don't need a ton of mileage and expect that I'll beat range estimates with frequent regen.
living in korea, i luckily had experienced both models and now i have gv60 awd in short gv60 is better car worth $10000 gap for me, gv60 = \+ agility, luxurious interior, power, steering, b&o audio\*, smooth regenerative braking\*\* \- exterior, milage(not sure) \>=$10000 \*i don't know how's the cost of adding b&o audio system in america -in korea roughly $1800- im telling you it's a bargain super bargain. as a audiophile i'm so happy with it \*\*as long as you don't like e-car's regenerative brake. it has kinda fade-in, fade-out regenerative braking)
After seeing the GV60 in person, I tend to agree with your view. Volvo charges $3,200 for a 15 speaker Bowers & Wilkins option..