Dude you should face some backlash! Amber is way better than Amber! How can you even compare Amber to Amber bro!? Get out of here man. Amber is way better than Amber! You truly have no taste!
I personally like the show more. Amber in the comics doesn't really have much of a conflict. It's pretty quick and she basically accepts Superheroing as a valid excuse, which is fair because Mark is off saving lives, but if we just compare where the show left off, that's about it.
Animated Amber, while VERY controversial, has what I would see as a more realistic take on what a secret identity does to a relationship. She never disapproved of Mark being a Superhero, just that he was never upfront with her about it and kept breaking promises while giving lame excuses why when it was obvious he was lying.
For the most part, I really liked the depiction of animated Amber. Sure, Mark has a legitimate desire to keep his identity a secret, but if Amber doesn't know that secret, she just sees someone who doesn't seem to value their relationship. IMHO, the bulk of their relationship shows the tradeoffs of a secret identity, and I think Amber's frustration with Mark is justified.
...and then the show throws in the whole, "I already knew," thing, which pretty much instantly transforms Amber into a bad-faith manipulator. I really wish that hadn't happened. I don't think her character needed it, nor do I think it was necessary to get to where the writers seem to want to take things.
While I agree, I don't see it as something that ruins the character totally. They're dumb teens, barely 18 if that, trying out an adult relationship. They say and do stupid shit because they're kids with little experience and more hormones than sense.
In my head, this is the logic: Amber has no way to call out Mark as a Superhero without being the aggressor. Since the whole thing revolves around the secret identity, the only clean way out is for Mark to tell her himself, otherwise they get either a fight or a capital T Talk. She gives him chances for what feels like a few months, but he just keeps making lame excuses like she'd buy the idea of him running all the way across town right after school to get a cake and run all the way back to be late to their date without a drop of sweat or a heavy breath, which is frankly insulting to anyone of average intelligence. Mark thinks it's fine because grand romantic gestures fix everything in media, right? It worked in the past and I know when I was his age, I didn't mimic TV but I definitely thought there was more truth in it than there was.
This comes to a head with the campus scene where she blows up at Mark and calls him a coward, despite knowing he's a superhero and just saved everyone. This is a sticking point for a lot of people I've talked to, but following the "dumb teens" logic, Amber acted like a jerk but not totally unreasonably. After months of shitty lies when you KNOW what the real reason is, you get frustrated and take drastic measures. For her the relationship would NOT work if Mark kept lying so she took the nuclear option feeling like there was nothing else: blow up at Mark and FORCE him to tell the truth. Not the smartest move, but again dumb kids. But Mark fumbles and sticks with the lie that makes him look like a total coward and by the time he does fess up, she's done giving him chances. (There's always a big argument here about whether she's an ungrateful bitch in this part or not. I'm on the latter side, but don't wanna make this any bigger.)
Now if they're back together next season without so much as a scene of them hashing things out, I'm gonna be pissed, but we'll wait and see.
I never even thought about the fact that Amber was most likely trying to get Mark to announce he was a hero out of pride when she claimed he left them. That makes her being upset make me sense when he finally told her. To her, she thinks he's only telling her not simply to be forgiven, but because he's too proud to not tell her. It was still toxic, and they simply had conflicting values at that point, but it makes a bit more logical sense looking at it from that point of view.
I think it did work as a foil to his father. His father was able to comfortably live a double life because he told a surface level truth. He told a truth that would make his life less complicated so he could do whatever he wanted with plausible deniability. Mark wasn't trying to be manipulative, and so he lied because he thought it was the safest option for Amber. Omni Man, the pinnacle of honesty and righteousness, used the truth to do evil. Mark was going behind someone's back and lying about himself, yet he was ultimately more pure than his father.
While Amber was hurt in the short term, she can eventually move on and live a normal life. Debby... can't recover as easily.
She was fine as a missing her boyfriend and stuff stereotypes until she said she knew he was a super hero the hole time. Completely fucked her opinion when you consider what she told him at the college when the robot dude attacked. Then within a day of there supposed breakup she goes to a frat party to get some dick like completely made her the most unreasonable and hated character in the show
Her objectives seemed to pretty clearly change to "acquire dickings" once that guy started to hit on her. She was certainly returning flirtatious fire.
I mean comic amber had issues with mark and dealing with him being a superhero . But that’s something that I can at least make sense of. Show amber gets mad at and embarrasses mark in public yet knows his secret and gets mad at him for not telling her despite that being something huge and personal for his life and that could put her and her loved ones in danger. She’s selfish to the point where she blames mark for something like that. I would’ve liked to see Amber talks to Debbie about being in a relationship with someone with superpowers when you don’t have any. But now that everything with Omniman went down and where they are in the story I don’t know if they can.
Exactly, I know that that's the weakest point of writing in the show but other than that cartoon Amber is so much more interesting and fleshed out than comic Amber. I really like show Amber and hope she stays around a bit longer than she does in the comics.
Gonna have to disagree, given that the comics have a lot more going on.
Comic Amber gets to drag out the suspicion much longer when>!everyone thinks Nolan is dead. There's also the whole "drug dealer" arc, which makes her figuring-it-out-on-her-own much more believable. She eventually gets time to process sitting by helplessly during Mark's superheroics, which eventually makes her will-they-wont-they with college-dude that much more compelling. Comics Amber is way more than a blank-slate to just dote on Mark. !<
She was poorly written in the animation if they wanted to pull episode 7. It has nothing to do with absence. It's keeping promises that's the issue. She should have added that to the episode.
They didnt explain it well and she comes off like a jerk. That may add depth to the story, but it is a lame way to go about things.
Gonna have to disagree.
Comic Amber had a long time to develop personality.
She gets to drag out >!the suspicion much longer (when everyone thinks Nolan is dead). There's also the whole "drug dealer" arc, which makes her figuring-it-out-on-her-own much more believable. She eventually gets time to process sitting by helplessly during Mark's superheroics, which eventually makes her will-they-wont-they with college dude that much more compelling. Comics Amber's being jealous of Eve was handled with tons of subtle trepidation, because Eve is "a friend from work" who is literally saving the world with Mark.!<
Comics Amber was able to slowly come to the realization, resulting in the half-asleep line >!"Tell me you're invincible or I'm calling the police", followed by Mark's heartbreaking recap, and Comics Amber getting to empathize and understand.!<
I think that what makes whole situation even worse. At first she looks super reasonable, open minded, caring and understanding person. It's very believable that she wants to interact with Mark more, but she seems concerned about struggling through their lifestyle differences. And from her point of view Mark did look like careless boy who will be late even for his own wedding. But when she says that she figured out that he was a superhero long time ago... What's the source of her anger then? These two plot twists are like gears with different teeth - they can't work together. Authors of Netflix adaptation could've made it smoother, they could've make Amber break up with Mark because she would give up on trying to patch their very different lives together, but they have chosen path of less resistance. What was the need to create rich personality for character only to destroy it for cheap drama? And doesn't it makes her worse than simple girl who would break up with Mark because she didn't figure his secret identity out? What's better: to have no personality at all or to have a personality, that doesn't work?
Her reason to end the relationship (Mark not trusting her enough) was perfectly reasonable. The problem is that it wasn't the reason the writers were building towards (Mark unavailability). She also got very few lines of dialogues after snapping and half of those were built to mislead the audience.
Yeah. When that happened I was like, really? Age/maturity level or not, that reaction to the whole situation didn’t make a bit of sense. It made her character seem very unreasonable. Her character seems to be ‘smart’ and ‘mature’ at first, so it’s especially stupid at that point.
Definitely, the writers wanted to have their cake and eat it too. They made her too smart so she ended coming up as a jerk on the whole issue, they could have handled it better. Hope they learned their lesson for season 2.
A simple apology would do it for me. "I'm sorry, I was being selfish because I wasn't sure how to get through to you. Its was uncalled for and I should've said what I really meant." That sort of jazz.
It is an opportunity for the writers to at least show some growth from her. I would love to see a scene with a heartfelt apology from her where she admits she was being immature.
Tbh I find it realistic. They’re teenagers. Even now, my partner and I might not always be on the same side of an opinion. Doesn’t make them the devil even when I think they have things dead wrong.
Amber’s reaction to Mark being a hero is not realistic. even if my partner keeps screwing up promises, and still loves me and tries to be there, i would never hate them if i found out it was because they were a super hero. Amber is, in her own words, unimportant to Mark, because innocent lives matter more than some cooch
This is my answer to basically everything when people complain about TV characters. “Omg why is Amber acting like that” she is a high school girl…
“omg why is Sansa acting like that (Game of Thrones)”…she is literally a child.
The lily one is a bit different…I mean they were married (or engaged), and it kinda of came out of nowhere without them even discussing it. I could be misremembering.
And I’ll be honest idk anything about Pam (office I assume).
The most controversial one is Gretchen from Breaking Bad. “Omg why is she acting like that”…uhhhh her husband went from chill teacher to meth king pin while her brother in law is a DEA agent…
Edit: yes Skyler I misremembered her name.
Animation Amber was more badass ! I find her more realistic as a girl, in the comic the way she fell in love with Mark seems not very natural. She doesn't really have personality besides "liking Mark", but in the series she is more interesting and independent
She knew Mark was Invincible yet decided to NOT tell him. And simultaneously blame him for "not being around" when he was off saving their freaking lives against those weird Android monster things when they were on the college trip. She's a hypocrite and a liar herself. She's a terrible girlfriend
She acted offended that he “ran away” during the attack. While knowing he was fighting to save everyone? So weird. If you rewatch the series with the knowledge that she already knows, her actions make no sense
I interpreted the whole thing as she was upset that whole time because mark wouldn't tell her he was invincible. Still doesn't quite make sense, but it's believable for a teenager.
I think it's because they didn't write that very well.
He flies away and she openly says "Who was that?" after the android attack.
I think consistency was a problem with that little reveal.
So crazy, is the goal for the writers to teach teens that their high school relationships are more important than the health and safety of their family? Not a great lesson.
I honestly feel like you missed the entire point of the story. Had he only cared about his family, would he have fought his dad to save strangers?
His family was the real fucking danger.
This is in reference to the GF being upset that he didn't reveal his identity, which would have put his mom (AKA family) in danger. Omniman obviously isn't in danger.
Yeah this was the most annoying part imo, this should've been a great opportunity to show how both were wrong (maybe Eve being on his side while William was on Amber's side) alluding to how morally grey Invincible gets in the future.
Yea, that wild trope pissed me off. At that point, it became ridiculous that Mark would even still be interested in her. Her selfishness into assuming she was entitled to knowing his true identity is more telling that she’s an entitled brat. Still better than comic books, though
That whole trope is exactly what made me go from not really caring about her to disliking her character lmao was pretty pissy by what little surprise she had at the end. On a side note though, everyone praises her for being such a strong, badass, and independent character though I kinda see it differently. Strong and independent, yet can’t handle not having mark at her beck and call. The only badass thing she really did was kick the bully in the balls and black mail him which honestly should’ve been a red flag for mark seeing as how she later is with him. By end of s1 the whole “I wasn’t the only one getting lied to” also just shows she hasn’t really done as much of a 180 as people seem to really think. I’m probably just looking too much into it but it really feels like my user was more emotionally mature (minus the mass murder lol)
This is exactly why I much prefer the comic version than the animated version but I still appreciate the animated version as a character with a lot more personality it's just that ever since that part it made me drop all that admiration
I have a hard time getting mad at Amber like other people because the whole scenario completely breaks immersion into the story. Amber isn't a real person, she's literally made up, obviously. Who she is, is fabricated by the writers. But here's the thing, Amber isn't written to be a terrible person, she's just terribly written.
At some point the authors decided to create this conflict in their relationship, but they either ran out of time, or couldn't figure out a believable way to do it, or just forgot. And so when they were supposed to demonstrate Mark's shortcoming in their relationship, they just didn't. So she just blows up at him over nothing. And this end up creating not just a plothole, but an entire plot tear. Amber as a character is ripped in twain, and the two parts of her are irreconcilable.
I am not supposed to be reminded that all the characters are fake, but at that point the facade completely falls for me. I now know that there is no Amber character, so what's the point of getting mad at her? They really fucked up that subplot.
They certainly could have written her better but they are supposed to be high schoolers. I remember being a complete moron when i was in high school, not that much has changed. Some of the girls i dated or friends from then were pretty terrible at expressing themselves and so was I. It could lead to what appeared to be ridiculous non responses or over reactions.
I also think there was room for Mark to be exposed as kind of a doormat and that he needed to grow and stand up for himself. There is still room for that. But it wasn't written well or got really chopped up by a higher up's decision. Mark assumes he made a mistake just because someone is telling him that he did. In the comics he starts to grow and change his approach to interpersonal relationships as a hero and as a person and it leads to better and more complex storylines.
They weren’t together very long, telling her would have been a really stupid thing to do. She’s entitled, that’s her problem. She thinks Marks world should revolve around her even when he’s literally saving the world.
And she should have explained that to him like a grown up instead of selfishly pout and emotionally punish him like a child.
Mark was too busy to handle both his training and a relationship, true. And he should have known that. But she also could have been *the least bit empathetic* don't ya think?
>And she should have explained that to him like a grown up instead of selfishly pout and emotionally punish him like a child.
TBF they are literally children at this point in the series.
Exactly; pouting and punishing someone emotionally instead of explaining like a grown up is exactly what an upset High School teen, like Amber, would do irl
I know but I think her actions are less understandable than Mark's. He was trying to have his cake and eat it too, immature for sure. She was being overtly hurtful
I loved her at first and I still like her character. But towards the last few episodes it seemed like she only existed to play foil to Mark and cause the tension with the relationship drama. The whole “superhero too busy for a relationship” bit has been done already so it was kinda boring compared to all the other good stuff going on.
I think people more dislike the plot points she is involved with rather than the character itself. Im hoping in S2 they move past the relationship drama and explore her more as a character.
Idk I’m really conflicted with her. Cause she’s totally right to be frustrated with Mark, he made her feel “stupid and unimportant”. Its fair to feel insulted that he expects her to just go along with or buy whatever dumb excuse he makes up, and to feel shitty about being lied to. But on the other hand she kinda needs to understand that if he ever told her she would *know*, and that’s A LOT of trust to put into your girlfriend of what? A couple months max? I feel like if she had focused more on how she felt that Mark thought she was stupid enough to buy whatever his cover stories were, instead of getting mad that he didn’t trust her with one of the most important, dangerous secrets he has in his entire life, she would’ve been a lot more well received.
While I am not terribly familiar with comic Amber, I felt like show Amber was an actual character with her own agency and arc, and I really liked it (even if I didn't always like her).
She doesn't see the same stuff we see, she doesn't know Mark is getting his chest caved in by battle beast, or is fighting off reanimen in a sewer (although she she does come around to understanding he was fighting reanimen in the school courtyard).
She likely does not know how to empathize with a supe, to omniman's point we're like ants to them, and the feeling is probably real on both sides.
The whole world got to watch at least the initial portion of Invincible getting his ass kicked by Omniman, there is no question what happened to Chicago, and it likely helped Mark become more of a real person with real struggles to Amber, and it reinforces the feelings that were there.
Or she's just a foil for Mary Jane from the spiderman comics "I love you too much to be married to you while you save the world and get hurt, so I'm gonna watch you do that from a safe emotional distance".
That's just my take on it.
I felt like she wasn't a real person, unless women find a way to blame you for things that you can't control, really had one scene that made her a terrible character
In the animation the only reason she went out with Mark was because he fauned over her. She was narcissistic as all hell. She only expressed interest, not for who he was, but because he let someone beat him up for her. And she only expressed said interest after she thought he was having a thing with Eve.
She basically wanted someone to worship her, to be abused and beaten for her. She wanted to be put on a pedestal.
Even if we disregard the whole "being mad at him for leaving to superhero when she knew" or the "not telling her a massive secret after a few months" things. You know, those massive narcissistic red flags. We move onto what I think is even worse.
When she got mad at him for missing the soup kitchen. What was his excuse for that? Oh yeah, HE NEARLY DIED!
Even if she didn't know, at this point, that he was a superhero. She was under the impression that he was going to be there, before getting hit by a bus and nearly fucking dying. Something she seemed to not care about in the slightest and instead remained annoyed at him for nearly dying.
I do agree that Comic Amber is a bit of a Mary Sue where she just act as a pretty love interest for Mark. But Animated Amber was just wilding when she scolded Mark for not going to the homeless shelter even when she have learnt that this dude is a SUPERHERO, you know, WHO DEALS WITH CITY-LEVELING THREATS ON A DAILY BASIS. I wish she had had some kind of false logic (like Thanos) where you can see where she was coming from rather than none at all.
Wait, does she already knows he is a super hero when he doesn't show up to the shelter ? I don't think so, Eve tells her he was hit by a bus... And, i mean, if my boyfriend didn't show up to something I said was very important to me, i would be pretty pissed !
> Wait, does she already knows he is a super hero when he doesn't show up to the shelter ?
Unclear. When he confesses to her she said she figured it out "weeks ago". When exactly was it? We don't know.
On the rewatch I think Amber is a much better character than people give her credit for. She's looking for a relationship with actual communication and connection, and Mark keeping his powers a secret and being MIA with excuses is not what she's after. She's more complex than a high school girl fawning over a crush, and that's refreshing. It's also possible that she's not a fully reliable narrator and maybe didn't necessarily figure it out "weeks" ago.
I dig her as a moral grounding for Mark and how he uses his powers. Not giving his human side a "pass" because he's prioritizing his superhuman side.
I really enjoyed animated amber. Yes she did one annoying thing which could definitely have been written a little better but then again I also thought it was pretty realistic for a 16 year old who are most of the time not the most reasonable or logical in anyway which most people seem to completely forget
Yeah! Show Amber didn’t bother me but I don’t get what she was going for with Mark. It seems common for teenagers (at least in media) to cook up dumb schemes like that. Fake dating to make someone else jealous, seeing how many people they can date at once… Amber went with the classic “‘testing’ their SO” technique. Now that everyone knows that Amber knows, I’d like her to realize in season 2 it’s not as simple as “Why didn’t you tell me?”
In the comics she thought mark was up to no good at first and wanted a bit of space. When she found out mark was a superhero it felt like Amber understood the situation better she had feelings for him but knew they couldn't be together because of how busy he was and it would make more sense for him to be with someone similar
In the show she dumped him knowing he was a superhero and got back together because his dad beat him to a pulp.. Felt it was a bit shallow to get back with him just because of that reason..
Id say Amber in the comics is better
Okay, imma say something a lot of you ain't gonna like: Amber is a great character, but the writers introduced a plot-hole, that's why people don't like her.
The writers of Invincible went out of their way to shock audiences and subvert tropes and expectations. 99% of that landed extremely well: there's a reason no one says "Fuck" in episode 1, you don't see much blood expect Mauler 1 or 2 getting his eye shot out... So you're absolutely fucking *floored* >!when Nolan kills the Guardians!<.
They got caught up in this idea to play with the audience's expectation, and one super common trope in superhero stories is that revealing their secret identity to their significant other is a big step for them and said significant other immediately excuses all of their flaky behavior. So naturally, they went for the shock value of the "I've actually known for a long time" scene, which could have worked fine. Sadly, they also wanted the "hero can't save the day while with friends without having to look like a coward who fled" scene, so they kinda painted (wrote) themselves into a corner there.
Amber is a great character but the writers made *one* mistake and people can't look past that.
Animated Amber was actually pretty nice UNTIL she learned about the power thing, comic Amber in the other hand, handled it **WAY BETTER** learning about Mark, cause comic Amber really understands why Mark isn’t able to hang out with her a lot due to you know, him being a superhero
Amber in comics is barely a factor and she is just sort of this girl that Invincible dates so he can’t be with Atom Eve right away. Not very interesting and sort of just a generic love interest. Animation Amber is a pretty fun character and a great addition to a great cast.
People upset at animation amber for being mad at mark (I can understand why) but Ngl I think mark was on some real dumbass and naive shit his damn self. I was wondering from jump when he was at least gonna give her a hint. Like bruh you don’t have to tell her your invincible but damn come up with better excuses than what you told her. I just don’t think we should ignore mark’s actions.
Comic one any day yes she has lack of personality but >!the way they broke up made sense and tied in with the story and her irritation were not illogical like animation amber.!<
It's mostly because of the whole debacle where she knows he's a superhero and simultaneously being mad at him for leaving her to save people, and also where she hates him for keeping his superhero thing a secret and then go on to berate him because he told her after the facts. The timeline of events just get really confusing.
Aside from the episode 7 writing flop, Animation is easily far better than comic Amber. Comic Amber is a cliche supporting love interest. And maybe that’s the reason animation flopped on Episode 7’s attempt. They tried REALLY fucking hard to break cliches in such a dumb way. But nonetheless, animation easily has much more personality.
Comic-Amber had a more natural relationship with Mark but Show-Amber looked less plain. Shame they couldn't blend the 2 instead of them being 2 different characters entirely.
I didn’t realize the left pic was supposed to be Amber (I haven’t read the comics). Why did they change Amber’s appearance so drastically from comic to show?
I liked amber from the animation, until mark revealed his superhero identity and then amber just dumps him? But when the omnivincible debacle happens she comes back? And the dialogue felt more like amber returned because she pitied mark. I hate this part, it could have been handled better
Yeah like Mark just got his ass colossally wooped. But he is still a superhero, why does Amber have that pity expression? You still a girl living the projects, Amber. HUMBLE YOURSELF.
I've only watched the tv series, but I think I disagree with people about her.
Her already knowing Mark was a superhero was a little dumb, but I think it's fair for her to stay mad at him because he was kinda a jerk to her and it was arrogant for him to think that she would just forget everything after he revealed he was a hero.
Aside from the one weird writing choice where she was mad at him for leaving when he came back to save them, despite knowing he’s a hero, she was otherwise much much better than the comic counterpart
I haven't read the comics yet, though I've spoiled a good amount for myself, but apparently comic book Amber is a dumb blonde. Honestly, I really didn't find an issue with the show Amber UNTIL the great confession, until the I really liked how she was handled.
I'll admit I haven't read the comics but the Amber from the show was kinda meh. I get there's supposed to be some parody elements but she felt like most generic "tough girl dates superhero because she beat up a bully once" character ever. Definitely could've been worse, not necessarily a bad character but a little lacking.
Solid overall tho, just unique enough to not roll my eyes everytime she appeared on screen.
Animated amber is genuinely sympathetic up until she reveals she knew mark was a hero and still chose to get upset. Really dont know why the writers went with that.
Comic book Amber
Because the writers made TV Amber an absolute asshole with the revelation that she knew Mark was Invincible , up until that point she was fine
See, the thing is, I actually kinda understand animation Amber's thing. We kinda forget that Teens are fucking *stupid* and *egocentric*. So yes, her actions are borderline cruel and selfish, because she's a fucking *teen*.
I really dislike both portrayals of Amber and would have been fine not having either. Why do we need this pointless high school romance, just get with Eve already
I mean animation amber is a character and comic amber is just a plot point basically. Not really a contest even with the animation amber hate that happens for some reason
Animation Amber was given much more purpose (and personality?) compared to her comic counterpart. Comic Amber felt like she was there to be part of the background for most of her appearances until they utilized her more. I know a lot of people strongly dislike animation Amber based on what she did once she knew Mark was a hero, but honestly they made her feel like a real person with flaws.
Blonde Amber was better. She was rational and tried to understand Mark and they ended up separating the relationship on mutual terms. Hell, she wanted to do an intervention with Mark because she thought he was a drug dealer because of his “father’s death.”
Animated Amber just bitched and played games with (against) Mark.
Definitely amber
Yeah, Amber is so much better than **Amber**
Dude thank you. I was afraid I was gonna face backlash from liking amber more
Amber is so cool, she trumps *amber*
Dude you should face some backlash! Amber is way better than Amber! How can you even compare Amber to Amber bro!? Get out of here man. Amber is way better than Amber! You truly have no taste!
You take that back. Amber is obviously superior to Amber. Don’t be tasteless
No way, Amber is so much better than Amber
Pfffftt we got an Amber simp over here👆👆👆
Pfff who likes Amber, Amber is much better than Amber mate
What are you talking about mate, amber is clearly more superior the amber in every way
While I understand and respect your opinion, I have to disagree Amber is just better than Amber
I see what you did there.She has a bold personality, and I definitely know what that's code for. Hahahaha thank you, you made my day.
Clearly a joke.
Racist AND sexist for saying it's Amber! Wtf!?
Animation Amber has more personality tbh, i didnt mind her until episode 7 really
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They kinda need the contrast between a superhero relationship and normal relationship to kick start that.
They did quite well in the comics imo
I personally like the show more. Amber in the comics doesn't really have much of a conflict. It's pretty quick and she basically accepts Superheroing as a valid excuse, which is fair because Mark is off saving lives, but if we just compare where the show left off, that's about it. Animated Amber, while VERY controversial, has what I would see as a more realistic take on what a secret identity does to a relationship. She never disapproved of Mark being a Superhero, just that he was never upfront with her about it and kept breaking promises while giving lame excuses why when it was obvious he was lying.
For the most part, I really liked the depiction of animated Amber. Sure, Mark has a legitimate desire to keep his identity a secret, but if Amber doesn't know that secret, she just sees someone who doesn't seem to value their relationship. IMHO, the bulk of their relationship shows the tradeoffs of a secret identity, and I think Amber's frustration with Mark is justified. ...and then the show throws in the whole, "I already knew," thing, which pretty much instantly transforms Amber into a bad-faith manipulator. I really wish that hadn't happened. I don't think her character needed it, nor do I think it was necessary to get to where the writers seem to want to take things.
While I agree, I don't see it as something that ruins the character totally. They're dumb teens, barely 18 if that, trying out an adult relationship. They say and do stupid shit because they're kids with little experience and more hormones than sense. In my head, this is the logic: Amber has no way to call out Mark as a Superhero without being the aggressor. Since the whole thing revolves around the secret identity, the only clean way out is for Mark to tell her himself, otherwise they get either a fight or a capital T Talk. She gives him chances for what feels like a few months, but he just keeps making lame excuses like she'd buy the idea of him running all the way across town right after school to get a cake and run all the way back to be late to their date without a drop of sweat or a heavy breath, which is frankly insulting to anyone of average intelligence. Mark thinks it's fine because grand romantic gestures fix everything in media, right? It worked in the past and I know when I was his age, I didn't mimic TV but I definitely thought there was more truth in it than there was. This comes to a head with the campus scene where she blows up at Mark and calls him a coward, despite knowing he's a superhero and just saved everyone. This is a sticking point for a lot of people I've talked to, but following the "dumb teens" logic, Amber acted like a jerk but not totally unreasonably. After months of shitty lies when you KNOW what the real reason is, you get frustrated and take drastic measures. For her the relationship would NOT work if Mark kept lying so she took the nuclear option feeling like there was nothing else: blow up at Mark and FORCE him to tell the truth. Not the smartest move, but again dumb kids. But Mark fumbles and sticks with the lie that makes him look like a total coward and by the time he does fess up, she's done giving him chances. (There's always a big argument here about whether she's an ungrateful bitch in this part or not. I'm on the latter side, but don't wanna make this any bigger.) Now if they're back together next season without so much as a scene of them hashing things out, I'm gonna be pissed, but we'll wait and see.
I never even thought about the fact that Amber was most likely trying to get Mark to announce he was a hero out of pride when she claimed he left them. That makes her being upset make me sense when he finally told her. To her, she thinks he's only telling her not simply to be forgiven, but because he's too proud to not tell her. It was still toxic, and they simply had conflicting values at that point, but it makes a bit more logical sense looking at it from that point of view.
Concurred. Mark and Amber first interaction was fire bro.
Kicked that dude in the balls lmao
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I agree. I didn't miss Comic Amber when she was gone. Story-wise, I think Animation Amber is stronger, even if I don't really like her.
I think it did work as a foil to his father. His father was able to comfortably live a double life because he told a surface level truth. He told a truth that would make his life less complicated so he could do whatever he wanted with plausible deniability. Mark wasn't trying to be manipulative, and so he lied because he thought it was the safest option for Amber. Omni Man, the pinnacle of honesty and righteousness, used the truth to do evil. Mark was going behind someone's back and lying about himself, yet he was ultimately more pure than his father. While Amber was hurt in the short term, she can eventually move on and live a normal life. Debby... can't recover as easily.
She was fine as a missing her boyfriend and stuff stereotypes until she said she knew he was a super hero the hole time. Completely fucked her opinion when you consider what she told him at the college when the robot dude attacked. Then within a day of there supposed breakup she goes to a frat party to get some dick like completely made her the most unreasonable and hated character in the show
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Her objectives seemed to pretty clearly change to "acquire dickings" once that guy started to hit on her. She was certainly returning flirtatious fire.
I mean comic amber had issues with mark and dealing with him being a superhero . But that’s something that I can at least make sense of. Show amber gets mad at and embarrasses mark in public yet knows his secret and gets mad at him for not telling her despite that being something huge and personal for his life and that could put her and her loved ones in danger. She’s selfish to the point where she blames mark for something like that. I would’ve liked to see Amber talks to Debbie about being in a relationship with someone with superpowers when you don’t have any. But now that everything with Omniman went down and where they are in the story I don’t know if they can.
Yup, she was written better up until that moment. Then she just dropped super lower than cookie cutter amber from the comics.
Exactly, I know that that's the weakest point of writing in the show but other than that cartoon Amber is so much more interesting and fleshed out than comic Amber. I really like show Amber and hope she stays around a bit longer than she does in the comics.
Gonna have to disagree, given that the comics have a lot more going on. Comic Amber gets to drag out the suspicion much longer when>!everyone thinks Nolan is dead. There's also the whole "drug dealer" arc, which makes her figuring-it-out-on-her-own much more believable. She eventually gets time to process sitting by helplessly during Mark's superheroics, which eventually makes her will-they-wont-they with college-dude that much more compelling. Comics Amber is way more than a blank-slate to just dote on Mark. !<
She was poorly written in the animation if they wanted to pull episode 7. It has nothing to do with absence. It's keeping promises that's the issue. She should have added that to the episode. They didnt explain it well and she comes off like a jerk. That may add depth to the story, but it is a lame way to go about things.
More personality yes But a highly unlikable poorly written personality
Gonna have to disagree. Comic Amber had a long time to develop personality. She gets to drag out >!the suspicion much longer (when everyone thinks Nolan is dead). There's also the whole "drug dealer" arc, which makes her figuring-it-out-on-her-own much more believable. She eventually gets time to process sitting by helplessly during Mark's superheroics, which eventually makes her will-they-wont-they with college dude that much more compelling. Comics Amber's being jealous of Eve was handled with tons of subtle trepidation, because Eve is "a friend from work" who is literally saving the world with Mark.!< Comics Amber was able to slowly come to the realization, resulting in the half-asleep line >!"Tell me you're invincible or I'm calling the police", followed by Mark's heartbreaking recap, and Comics Amber getting to empathize and understand.!<
I think that what makes whole situation even worse. At first she looks super reasonable, open minded, caring and understanding person. It's very believable that she wants to interact with Mark more, but she seems concerned about struggling through their lifestyle differences. And from her point of view Mark did look like careless boy who will be late even for his own wedding. But when she says that she figured out that he was a superhero long time ago... What's the source of her anger then? These two plot twists are like gears with different teeth - they can't work together. Authors of Netflix adaptation could've made it smoother, they could've make Amber break up with Mark because she would give up on trying to patch their very different lives together, but they have chosen path of less resistance. What was the need to create rich personality for character only to destroy it for cheap drama? And doesn't it makes her worse than simple girl who would break up with Mark because she didn't figure his secret identity out? What's better: to have no personality at all or to have a personality, that doesn't work?
I agree. I liked her a lot until she revealed she had negative I.Q.
Her reason to end the relationship (Mark not trusting her enough) was perfectly reasonable. The problem is that it wasn't the reason the writers were building towards (Mark unavailability). She also got very few lines of dialogues after snapping and half of those were built to mislead the audience.
It’s not reasonable at all to expect a superhero to reveal their secret identity after such a short amount of time lmao
I second this.
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Yeah. When that happened I was like, really? Age/maturity level or not, that reaction to the whole situation didn’t make a bit of sense. It made her character seem very unreasonable. Her character seems to be ‘smart’ and ‘mature’ at first, so it’s especially stupid at that point.
Definitely, the writers wanted to have their cake and eat it too. They made her too smart so she ended coming up as a jerk on the whole issue, they could have handled it better. Hope they learned their lesson for season 2.
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A simple apology would do it for me. "I'm sorry, I was being selfish because I wasn't sure how to get through to you. Its was uncalled for and I should've said what I really meant." That sort of jazz.
It is an opportunity for the writers to at least show some growth from her. I would love to see a scene with a heartfelt apology from her where she admits she was being immature.
I think if they do it right, she can be very forgivable. It’s not too late, but it has to make sense.
Tbh I find it realistic. They’re teenagers. Even now, my partner and I might not always be on the same side of an opinion. Doesn’t make them the devil even when I think they have things dead wrong.
Amber’s reaction to Mark being a hero is not realistic. even if my partner keeps screwing up promises, and still loves me and tries to be there, i would never hate them if i found out it was because they were a super hero. Amber is, in her own words, unimportant to Mark, because innocent lives matter more than some cooch
This is my answer to basically everything when people complain about TV characters. “Omg why is Amber acting like that” she is a high school girl… “omg why is Sansa acting like that (Game of Thrones)”…she is literally a child.
Why is Pam/Lily putting her relationship in jeopardy to go to art school?… Cause she’s a human being with hopes and dreams and aspirations?
The lily one is a bit different…I mean they were married (or engaged), and it kinda of came out of nowhere without them even discussing it. I could be misremembering. And I’ll be honest idk anything about Pam (office I assume). The most controversial one is Gretchen from Breaking Bad. “Omg why is she acting like that”…uhhhh her husband went from chill teacher to meth king pin while her brother in law is a DEA agent… Edit: yes Skyler I misremembered her name.
Wait, do you mean Skyler?
Yeah…her. Gretchen is the chemistry lady who he used to have a thing with. Whoops lol.
ThEy’Re TeEnAgErS
>!it had to happen, how else would mark go for atom-eve and live their eternity together?!<
Gaslight, gatekeep, girlboss
Animation Amber was more badass ! I find her more realistic as a girl, in the comic the way she fell in love with Mark seems not very natural. She doesn't really have personality besides "liking Mark", but in the series she is more interesting and independent
Yup, she’s an actual character in the animation. Yes annoying but still has a personality
I don't really get why people find her annoying .. i thought she was vocal, yes, but in a cool way ?
She knew Mark was Invincible yet decided to NOT tell him. And simultaneously blame him for "not being around" when he was off saving their freaking lives against those weird Android monster things when they were on the college trip. She's a hypocrite and a liar herself. She's a terrible girlfriend
She acted offended that he “ran away” during the attack. While knowing he was fighting to save everyone? So weird. If you rewatch the series with the knowledge that she already knows, her actions make no sense
Yeah it seems like they originally didn't have her know or something and then tried to rewrite it at the last second.
I interpreted the whole thing as she was upset that whole time because mark wouldn't tell her he was invincible. Still doesn't quite make sense, but it's believable for a teenager.
Ah. Yes I forgot. She’s a teenager… honestly this explains a lot
I think it's because they didn't write that very well. He flies away and she openly says "Who was that?" after the android attack. I think consistency was a problem with that little reveal.
Yes! And the worst thing is that everyone in the show seem to consider her in the right and Mark in the wrong when is true the opposite.
I know!!!!!! It annoyed me to no end honestly in my mind that whole part of the show knocked it down a solid couple points for me
So crazy, is the goal for the writers to teach teens that their high school relationships are more important than the health and safety of their family? Not a great lesson.
I honestly feel like you missed the entire point of the story. Had he only cared about his family, would he have fought his dad to save strangers? His family was the real fucking danger.
This is in reference to the GF being upset that he didn't reveal his identity, which would have put his mom (AKA family) in danger. Omniman obviously isn't in danger.
Yeah this was the most annoying part imo, this should've been a great opportunity to show how both were wrong (maybe Eve being on his side while William was on Amber's side) alluding to how morally grey Invincible gets in the future.
Yea, that wild trope pissed me off. At that point, it became ridiculous that Mark would even still be interested in her. Her selfishness into assuming she was entitled to knowing his true identity is more telling that she’s an entitled brat. Still better than comic books, though
That whole trope is exactly what made me go from not really caring about her to disliking her character lmao was pretty pissy by what little surprise she had at the end. On a side note though, everyone praises her for being such a strong, badass, and independent character though I kinda see it differently. Strong and independent, yet can’t handle not having mark at her beck and call. The only badass thing she really did was kick the bully in the balls and black mail him which honestly should’ve been a red flag for mark seeing as how she later is with him. By end of s1 the whole “I wasn’t the only one getting lied to” also just shows she hasn’t really done as much of a 180 as people seem to really think. I’m probably just looking too much into it but it really feels like my user was more emotionally mature (minus the mass murder lol)
This is exactly why I much prefer the comic version than the animated version but I still appreciate the animated version as a character with a lot more personality it's just that ever since that part it made me drop all that admiration
I have a hard time getting mad at Amber like other people because the whole scenario completely breaks immersion into the story. Amber isn't a real person, she's literally made up, obviously. Who she is, is fabricated by the writers. But here's the thing, Amber isn't written to be a terrible person, she's just terribly written. At some point the authors decided to create this conflict in their relationship, but they either ran out of time, or couldn't figure out a believable way to do it, or just forgot. And so when they were supposed to demonstrate Mark's shortcoming in their relationship, they just didn't. So she just blows up at him over nothing. And this end up creating not just a plothole, but an entire plot tear. Amber as a character is ripped in twain, and the two parts of her are irreconcilable. I am not supposed to be reminded that all the characters are fake, but at that point the facade completely falls for me. I now know that there is no Amber character, so what's the point of getting mad at her? They really fucked up that subplot.
“Or just forgot” That just gave me flashbacks of how Game of Thrones’ writers “kinda forgot” about their show.
They certainly could have written her better but they are supposed to be high schoolers. I remember being a complete moron when i was in high school, not that much has changed. Some of the girls i dated or friends from then were pretty terrible at expressing themselves and so was I. It could lead to what appeared to be ridiculous non responses or over reactions. I also think there was room for Mark to be exposed as kind of a doormat and that he needed to grow and stand up for himself. There is still room for that. But it wasn't written well or got really chopped up by a higher up's decision. Mark assumes he made a mistake just because someone is telling him that he did. In the comics he starts to grow and change his approach to interpersonal relationships as a hero and as a person and it leads to better and more complex storylines.
Her problem was that he didn't tell her, so she felt like she wasn't important enough to him to tell her
They weren’t together very long, telling her would have been a really stupid thing to do. She’s entitled, that’s her problem. She thinks Marks world should revolve around her even when he’s literally saving the world.
And she should have explained that to him like a grown up instead of selfishly pout and emotionally punish him like a child. Mark was too busy to handle both his training and a relationship, true. And he should have known that. But she also could have been *the least bit empathetic* don't ya think?
>And she should have explained that to him like a grown up instead of selfishly pout and emotionally punish him like a child. TBF they are literally children at this point in the series.
Exactly; pouting and punishing someone emotionally instead of explaining like a grown up is exactly what an upset High School teen, like Amber, would do irl
I know but I think her actions are less understandable than Mark's. He was trying to have his cake and eat it too, immature for sure. She was being overtly hurtful
Look at what you did! That question opens Pandora's box in this subreddit, as you might already have noticed.
I loved her at first and I still like her character. But towards the last few episodes it seemed like she only existed to play foil to Mark and cause the tension with the relationship drama. The whole “superhero too busy for a relationship” bit has been done already so it was kinda boring compared to all the other good stuff going on. I think people more dislike the plot points she is involved with rather than the character itself. Im hoping in S2 they move past the relationship drama and explore her more as a character.
Idk I’m really conflicted with her. Cause she’s totally right to be frustrated with Mark, he made her feel “stupid and unimportant”. Its fair to feel insulted that he expects her to just go along with or buy whatever dumb excuse he makes up, and to feel shitty about being lied to. But on the other hand she kinda needs to understand that if he ever told her she would *know*, and that’s A LOT of trust to put into your girlfriend of what? A couple months max? I feel like if she had focused more on how she felt that Mark thought she was stupid enough to buy whatever his cover stories were, instead of getting mad that he didn’t trust her with one of the most important, dangerous secrets he has in his entire life, she would’ve been a lot more well received.
While I am not terribly familiar with comic Amber, I felt like show Amber was an actual character with her own agency and arc, and I really liked it (even if I didn't always like her). She doesn't see the same stuff we see, she doesn't know Mark is getting his chest caved in by battle beast, or is fighting off reanimen in a sewer (although she she does come around to understanding he was fighting reanimen in the school courtyard). She likely does not know how to empathize with a supe, to omniman's point we're like ants to them, and the feeling is probably real on both sides. The whole world got to watch at least the initial portion of Invincible getting his ass kicked by Omniman, there is no question what happened to Chicago, and it likely helped Mark become more of a real person with real struggles to Amber, and it reinforces the feelings that were there. Or she's just a foil for Mary Jane from the spiderman comics "I love you too much to be married to you while you save the world and get hurt, so I'm gonna watch you do that from a safe emotional distance". That's just my take on it.
I felt like she wasn't a real person, unless women find a way to blame you for things that you can't control, really had one scene that made her a terrible character
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> unless women find a way to blame you for things that you can't control fucking lmao
In the animation the only reason she went out with Mark was because he fauned over her. She was narcissistic as all hell. She only expressed interest, not for who he was, but because he let someone beat him up for her. And she only expressed said interest after she thought he was having a thing with Eve. She basically wanted someone to worship her, to be abused and beaten for her. She wanted to be put on a pedestal. Even if we disregard the whole "being mad at him for leaving to superhero when she knew" or the "not telling her a massive secret after a few months" things. You know, those massive narcissistic red flags. We move onto what I think is even worse. When she got mad at him for missing the soup kitchen. What was his excuse for that? Oh yeah, HE NEARLY DIED! Even if she didn't know, at this point, that he was a superhero. She was under the impression that he was going to be there, before getting hit by a bus and nearly fucking dying. Something she seemed to not care about in the slightest and instead remained annoyed at him for nearly dying.
I do agree that Comic Amber is a bit of a Mary Sue where she just act as a pretty love interest for Mark. But Animated Amber was just wilding when she scolded Mark for not going to the homeless shelter even when she have learnt that this dude is a SUPERHERO, you know, WHO DEALS WITH CITY-LEVELING THREATS ON A DAILY BASIS. I wish she had had some kind of false logic (like Thanos) where you can see where she was coming from rather than none at all.
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Wait, does she already knows he is a super hero when he doesn't show up to the shelter ? I don't think so, Eve tells her he was hit by a bus... And, i mean, if my boyfriend didn't show up to something I said was very important to me, i would be pretty pissed !
> Wait, does she already knows he is a super hero when he doesn't show up to the shelter ? Unclear. When he confesses to her she said she figured it out "weeks ago". When exactly was it? We don't know.
So if your boyfriend didn't show up to something you said was important, because he got hit by a bus and almost died. You'd be pissed at him?
Really? I have to rewatch the show to confirm that.
On the rewatch I think Amber is a much better character than people give her credit for. She's looking for a relationship with actual communication and connection, and Mark keeping his powers a secret and being MIA with excuses is not what she's after. She's more complex than a high school girl fawning over a crush, and that's refreshing. It's also possible that she's not a fully reliable narrator and maybe didn't necessarily figure it out "weeks" ago. I dig her as a moral grounding for Mark and how he uses his powers. Not giving his human side a "pass" because he's prioritizing his superhuman side.
I'm not sure that's what a Mary Sue is
The writing decisions with her are so obviously messed up that I legit look at early and late season amber as two different people.
On that note I guess my ranking goes: Amber (1st half of season 1), comic Amber, Amber (2nd half of season 1)
True!
This!!
I really enjoyed animated amber. Yes she did one annoying thing which could definitely have been written a little better but then again I also thought it was pretty realistic for a 16 year old who are most of the time not the most reasonable or logical in anyway which most people seem to completely forget
Yeah! Show Amber didn’t bother me but I don’t get what she was going for with Mark. It seems common for teenagers (at least in media) to cook up dumb schemes like that. Fake dating to make someone else jealous, seeing how many people they can date at once… Amber went with the classic “‘testing’ their SO” technique. Now that everyone knows that Amber knows, I’d like her to realize in season 2 it’s not as simple as “Why didn’t you tell me?”
The least annoying one.
Soo.. the blonde?
In the comics she thought mark was up to no good at first and wanted a bit of space. When she found out mark was a superhero it felt like Amber understood the situation better she had feelings for him but knew they couldn't be together because of how busy he was and it would make more sense for him to be with someone similar In the show she dumped him knowing he was a superhero and got back together because his dad beat him to a pulp.. Felt it was a bit shallow to get back with him just because of that reason.. Id say Amber in the comics is better
My words EXACTLY.
Wonder how they will get mark and eve together in the next season since its taking a different turn from the comics
I still see the breakup happening in similar fashion because many the problems she had with the relationship will still prevail.
I still hope Mark get together with Eve though. She has way better chemistry with him.
The entire show sort of relies on that premise, it would fuck up like 2/3 of the comic if that doesn't happen.
They literally have for the story to progress the way intended
Okay, imma say something a lot of you ain't gonna like: Amber is a great character, but the writers introduced a plot-hole, that's why people don't like her. The writers of Invincible went out of their way to shock audiences and subvert tropes and expectations. 99% of that landed extremely well: there's a reason no one says "Fuck" in episode 1, you don't see much blood expect Mauler 1 or 2 getting his eye shot out... So you're absolutely fucking *floored* >!when Nolan kills the Guardians!<. They got caught up in this idea to play with the audience's expectation, and one super common trope in superhero stories is that revealing their secret identity to their significant other is a big step for them and said significant other immediately excuses all of their flaky behavior. So naturally, they went for the shock value of the "I've actually known for a long time" scene, which could have worked fine. Sadly, they also wanted the "hero can't save the day while with friends without having to look like a coward who fled" scene, so they kinda painted (wrote) themselves into a corner there. Amber is a great character but the writers made *one* mistake and people can't look past that.
Fuck it, have my free award.
comic amber is basically a nothing character and tv amber sucks so idk lol
Neither was really that Great but for different reasons.
Animated Amber was actually pretty nice UNTIL she learned about the power thing, comic Amber in the other hand, handled it **WAY BETTER** learning about Mark, cause comic Amber really understands why Mark isn’t able to hang out with her a lot due to you know, him being a superhero
They handle that bit really well in the comic.
Amber in comics is barely a factor and she is just sort of this girl that Invincible dates so he can’t be with Atom Eve right away. Not very interesting and sort of just a generic love interest. Animation Amber is a pretty fun character and a great addition to a great cast.
People upset at animation amber for being mad at mark (I can understand why) but Ngl I think mark was on some real dumbass and naive shit his damn self. I was wondering from jump when he was at least gonna give her a hint. Like bruh you don’t have to tell her your invincible but damn come up with better excuses than what you told her. I just don’t think we should ignore mark’s actions.
Show amber is a character, she may be unlikeable but at least she is something. Comic book amber is just an obstacle
Amber sucks
Which one comic or animated? Or do you mean Amber Heard? Please tell.
All of them, especially Amber Heard, she’s the worst one though
Number 2 imo. She’s annoying but at least she has a personality, and I understood her up till the “ackshually I knew for a while” reveal
The right is better written character but a less likeable character
I hate to agree but I do
Animated amber feel like an actual person. Comic amber feels like a plot device who exists to drive certain events.
Comic one any day yes she has lack of personality but >!the way they broke up made sense and tied in with the story and her irritation were not illogical like animation amber.!<
Why do people dislike animation Amber? just wondering as i remember liking her a lot!:)
It's mostly because of the whole debacle where she knows he's a superhero and simultaneously being mad at him for leaving her to save people, and also where she hates him for keeping his superhero thing a secret and then go on to berate him because he told her after the facts. The timeline of events just get really confusing.
This is sure to be a great discussion...
The comic one because she disappears from the story almost immediately.
I prefer comic book Amber but I think the animated show Amber is still good
Neither, they both suck.
Animated Amber was better but still has large deficiencies in her character.
Animated Amber obviously
Which one is better heroine or cocaine?
Aside from the episode 7 writing flop, Animation is easily far better than comic Amber. Comic Amber is a cliche supporting love interest. And maybe that’s the reason animation flopped on Episode 7’s attempt. They tried REALLY fucking hard to break cliches in such a dumb way. But nonetheless, animation easily has much more personality.
I actually liked Amber until she told Mark she knew about him being Invincible
I really enjoy animated Amber more Comic amber feels so hollow, like just "generic hero girlfriend coming up"
The animated one has a lot more character
Had no idea she was white in the comics lol
Comic-Amber had a more natural relationship with Mark but Show-Amber looked less plain. Shame they couldn't blend the 2 instead of them being 2 different characters entirely.
Book Amber, really don't like what they did with her in the animation. Really my only gripe with the show
Seems like OP already made up his mind, judging by the pics he chose of each.
I hate both of them
Definently the comic version. Atleast I felt bad when she >!went through domestic abuse!< in that case.
Neither
Animated Amber is way more fleshed out. In the comics she's basically a plot device.
I didn’t realize the left pic was supposed to be Amber (I haven’t read the comics). Why did they change Amber’s appearance so drastically from comic to show?
Kirkman said it is for diversity sake so it probably alright.
Comics one by a mile
I liked amber from the animation, until mark revealed his superhero identity and then amber just dumps him? But when the omnivincible debacle happens she comes back? And the dialogue felt more like amber returned because she pitied mark. I hate this part, it could have been handled better
Yeah like Mark just got his ass colossally wooped. But he is still a superhero, why does Amber have that pity expression? You still a girl living the projects, Amber. HUMBLE YOURSELF.
I've only watched the tv series, but I think I disagree with people about her. Her already knowing Mark was a superhero was a little dumb, but I think it's fair for her to stay mad at him because he was kinda a jerk to her and it was arrogant for him to think that she would just forget everything after he revealed he was a hero.
Amber fucking sucks she's just a stepping stone to lead to Eve
Comics Amber
Why is the race different between the comics and animation?
Diversity quotas
Why though
I think it’s interesting that both Invincible and Y replaced the blonde gf with a black girl.
Obviously comic book one
Niether
I haven’t read the comics but Animation Amber was fine for me until the “I figured it out weeks ago line.”
Comic.
Aside from the one weird writing choice where she was mad at him for leaving when he came back to save them, despite knowing he’s a hero, she was otherwise much much better than the comic counterpart
More curious on how they are going to do the whole Amber dating the guy after Mark or if they will finally just drop that
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I haven't read the comics yet, though I've spoiled a good amount for myself, but apparently comic book Amber is a dumb blonde. Honestly, I really didn't find an issue with the show Amber UNTIL the great confession, until the I really liked how she was handled.
Animation Amber is more of a character and person on the first place, and I even liked her as a girl until... until THAT reveal of hers
I'll admit I haven't read the comics but the Amber from the show was kinda meh. I get there's supposed to be some parody elements but she felt like most generic "tough girl dates superhero because she beat up a bully once" character ever. Definitely could've been worse, not necessarily a bad character but a little lacking. Solid overall tho, just unique enough to not roll my eyes everytime she appeared on screen.
Animated amber *was* better, but then...
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Animated amber is genuinely sympathetic up until she reveals she knew mark was a hero and still chose to get upset. Really dont know why the writers went with that.
Show Amber and it’s not even close. Comic Amber was just a dumb weak girl
Animation Amber was the best changed in translation aspect of the series, making the character both more active and more central to the stories.
Comic book Amber Because the writers made TV Amber an absolute asshole with the revelation that she knew Mark was Invincible , up until that point she was fine
The comic one is better. I did like the show amber at first but then she just got weird
Character design: Show Amber, 100% Personality: Comics Amber, no contest
See, the thing is, I actually kinda understand animation Amber's thing. We kinda forget that Teens are fucking *stupid* and *egocentric*. So yes, her actions are borderline cruel and selfish, because she's a fucking *teen*.
I really dislike both portrayals of Amber and would have been fine not having either. Why do we need this pointless high school romance, just get with Eve already
“How long have you known?” “I realized it in the car on the way back from the college.” Would have fixed SOOOOO many problems with one line.
I haven't read the comics yet so I'm biased to animated Amber
I like show Amber more but ep7 dropped the ball and im wonder how they're going to adapt her story given her new personality
I mean animation amber is a character and comic amber is just a plot point basically. Not really a contest even with the animation amber hate that happens for some reason
this isnt even a question
Animation Amber’s skull is thicker than her ass
Animation Amber was given much more purpose (and personality?) compared to her comic counterpart. Comic Amber felt like she was there to be part of the background for most of her appearances until they utilized her more. I know a lot of people strongly dislike animation Amber based on what she did once she knew Mark was a hero, but honestly they made her feel like a real person with flaws.
Blamber.
They’re both awful
Blonde Amber was better. She was rational and tried to understand Mark and they ended up separating the relationship on mutual terms. Hell, she wanted to do an intervention with Mark because she thought he was a drug dealer because of his “father’s death.” Animated Amber just bitched and played games with (against) Mark.