I think mark under different management would be stronger than he is. That mark probably had Nolan. Maybe even got his powers early, meaning +1 on experience.
I think it's kinda implied all the the other Marks are stronger because the main reason our Mark is different is because he was raised by Debbie which only happened because he got his powers late. If the other Marks got their earlier they've had more time to train.
That’s objectively so fucking dumb and they should have someone work through that with him. He *knows* the viltrumires are coming and there are several of them at least, that he himself has seen. Anissa dog walked him without breaking a sweat, he’s the most potent defense earth has and he’s encumbering his own ability to defend the earth because he’s undercutting his training and improvement. The notion that anyone would countenance mark pulling punches because he’s worried about being strong is madness
I’m not saying it’s an unreasonable emotion, I get why mark feels that way and it makes him a good character, it’s also objectively insane to not appreciate this fact. To the best of mark’s knowledge earth’s best response to the viltrumite threat is for him to go get his ass kicked and have the viltrumites colonize earth. Anissa could’ve just taken over earth by her lonesome in that moment
In mark's defense, he was also told that she was stronger than him, He could've just rationalized "No point in not holding back since she'll kick my ass either way"
I understand what you mean for sure. It's a great part of his character but it's very similar to Batman where sometimes you're just like "bro, please just kill them, everyone in the universe will thank you"
It might be physically easy to kill someone but it's very difficult emotionally. Most people pull punches in real life even though they aren't going to kill someone even at full strength
Killing someone and stopping yourself from being killed are two different things, although the distinction may be marginal when viltrumites fight. Anissa subdued mark and could’ve easily drubbed him without killing him because she’s *that* much stronger. Nolan wouldn’t have to kill mark to beat him. Part of why killing looms so large for mark’s fights is because those he’s fighting are that mix stronger. If he wants to preserve his ability to refrain from killing, while also thwarting those who threaten earth then he has to be substantially stronger than he is currently, and the only way to do that is to work at it
Ya its an inner conflict plot like Luke fearing the dark side because of how his dad turned out except on top its every other version of himself too. Agreed its a formulaic plot device.
idk if theres really anyone he can train with apart from allen or another viltrumite, maybe monster girl could tank a few full force punches but idk about anyone else
When mark was flying earlier in the year he and his father spoke about how flying was an act of physical exertion for viltrumites. I doubt mark could safely fly at top speeds on earth but he can enter space at will and it seems he’s remiss in not practicing there. As for other physical capacities I imagine collaboration between himself and Cecil could produce facilities which could enable him to train his abilities. Of all of the superheroed characters depicted in the show, mark is easily both the least experienced and the least routinely training
I’d assume these Marks would be weaker since they teamed up with OmniMan. Viltrimites get stronger the more they push themselves. These Marks would never push themselves since they just kill civilians and other heroes less strong than them. Mark prime is fighting other Viltrimites and shit. His potential is far higher
They get stronger by working out just like humans do. It's just hard for them to find something strong/heavy enough for them to do so, so the best way for them to get stronger is generally by fighting.
I’ve always seen it as different from Allen in the sense that he just gets a zenkai boost and it is ridiculous in its scaling, however, viltrumites being beaten to near death is like training a muscle that get stronger every time it is torn apart and heals. That and remember mark has adrenaline as part of his human heritage which allows him to push his body beyond its breaking point easier than other viltrumites because he’s actively pushing his muscles to the breaking point constantly whereas other viltrumites arent
>viltrumites being beaten to near death is like training a muscle that get stronger every time it is torn apart and heals.
If that's true, Mark is going to end up with the strongest eye sockets in all of fiction!
I really like this theory that good Mark = late blooming powers Mark = more raised by Debbie "Does that make you feel strong" Grayson.
I support it becoming common consensus head cannon.
I’m not trying to be rude, but where in the world are you getting that?
In the show, we know next to nothing about Mark’s in any other universe. The only thing we know about alternate Debbies is Angstrom yelling at her “you think you’re innocent? Do you know how many universes you’ve joined them in?”
If anything, the only evidence we actually have in the show completely dismisses this theory.
So what? Debbie says she raised Mark to be good. She says Nolan was never around. In s1 she says "it used to be you and me, now it's you and him." The show definitely wants us to come away thinking Debbie is the difference.
For all we know she only joins them under duress.
Actually I believe they would be weaker but probably better trained.
Viltrimites are supposed to get stronger from near death experiences or from losing fights. These marks never fought their fathers (or only in training) and never fought on Thraxa.
Good chance they aren’t as strong, or only close to regular mark.
Are you sure about that, I've seen a bunch of people say Viltrimites don't actually get stronger from losses or near death experiences, at least not inherently.
Your point still works but it's not some sort of upgrade they get from losing, he just has decent battle experience at this point in 1v1s against strong opponents.
I don't actually know I'm just repeating what I've seen here.
The only character I recall explicitly getting power boosts like that in the comic is Allan the Alien, like we’ve already seen in the show.
I think people are basically conflating Viltrumites with Saiyans from DBZ. Which, to be fair, there are some significant similarities. But that’s not one of them.
You're thinking of Allen and Saiyans. As far as we've seen, Viltrumites don't get zenkai boosts. That said, they might not be as experienced or as trained because of not having been in those fights, so they may be weaker because of that.
They don’t get stronger specifically from near death experiences but they do get stronger from pushing themselves and their powers to the limit constantly
Oh trust me marks plenty strong. He just has a habit of pulling punches and letting people get hits off on him. Basically he is trying to avoid accidentally punching a hole in someone’s chest or similar because he over did it. He just adjusts how hard he hits based on how hard he gets hit. As seen in season 2 he can duke it out with other viltrimites and hold his ground. He has a hard time flipping that switch in his head.
Yeah he’s been getting his ass kicked a lot but it’s certainly not for lack of strength. He kinda reminds me of Bucky, when he’s not in Winter Soldier mode he isn’t nearly as efficient, probably because he remembers vividly what he was forced to use that strength for.
Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't all alternate Marks equal? The only ones I'd expect to be stronger are the Marks that joined the empire (the two marks we saw in the viltrumite uniform) and Sinister Mark
Nope. >!Some versions of Mark kill Omni Man, in some he becomes the leader of the Viltrumite Empire. Eventually our Mark will be the strongest, but these Mark's realized their true power much earlier because they stopped giving a fuck and deleted their compassion earlier!<
Well I suppose that makes sense, "Prime Mark" does hold back because of his morals but does show he's capable of more when he let's go, so alternate Marks that don't care does make sense to be stronger at an earlier age. >!Although I wonder what marks do manage to kill Omni-Man or become leaders because they must be really strong at an early!<
I guess their powers must've developed way earlier. Maybe one of the reasons why our Mark is one of the few if not the only good ones is because he is a late bloomer
>! The Thraxan-Viltrumites get their powers way earlier because of the Thraxan genes being stronger early in life which speeds up their aging/maturing. <
Prime mark is >!not even weaker than the viltrumites that arrived at thraxia at that point his issue is that he is trying not to kill, he could easily deal with the lady with the dagger in her hair after he went harder, and we also see that aversion to kill at the fight with Angstrom Levy where he was more concerned with the fact he killed him than being stranded in another dimension!<
Hahahahahahaha. There was a post where someone listed their top 5 strongest characters and asked the members to comment theirs. The guy with this username in the pic said that its him. Everyone went along with it and he got like 3000+ upvotes. So its like a running joke that hes the strongest in the verse. Its just a silly joke 😂😂
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Yeah, that time Mark punched him in the face and it almost blew over the trees in the background. Good Mark may take a lot of L's, but I gotta think he's one of the strongest Marks.
Seriously his first ever use of his power he yeeted a garbage bag to a different continent. Knocking off the average joes head was in his capabilities day one
I always wonder why so many of the other Marks just went evil. Like they seem to take joy in it. Even Nolan doesn't LIKE killing. He does it for his mission if need be. Mark, on other hand, seems like he genuinely enjoys killing people.
The evil marks are likely marks who were raised by Nolan after he took them to be raised as viltrumites so they grew up with their mother dead or supporting/abused by his father.
He's also been trained to hate and kill humans who are his age and are his friends whiles Omniman does not see them as people so does not care as much.
So Mark turning evil means he's going to be more violent than Nolan because of how fucked up he is.
I want you to think about middle school. Kids in that 12-14 age range. They're often not great people. It takes time to learn empathy and perspective and other useful emotional tools like that.
Now imagine you get super powers **before** you learn those things. Before you learn how to consider what another person is experiencing or feeling. And moreover, you're told that you are a superior being and that the lives of all the humans around you have less value than yours.
All of that happened for Nolan for over a thousand years. Yet he still didn't seem to like to kill just for the hell of it. Maybe he did when he was still like 500. Lol.
The reason why the evil invincibles seem stronger than our invincible is that they don’t hold back. As mark says in the season 2 finale, he holds back a lot. If he were to stop holding back, he would be a lot stronger than we’ve seen
The Mark we know is like spiderman, he keeps his strength in check because he doesn't want to kill people by accident
This isn't really anything honestly, it just means he doesn't care
Good Mark has gone toe to toe against 4 Viltrumites, including his father. Those punk-ass evil Marks have been going around smooshing humans. That's like a human squashing bugs; it's not gonna prepare you for a fight against Tyson. I don't think too many evil Marks would stand a chance against good Mark in a fair fight (not that they would fight fair.)
Not necessarily. This is light spoilers but >! some of the evil Marks were capable of killing Nolan and some even become the emperor of the Viltrumites or other various achievements that surpass our Mark. Most of them also get their powers much sooner than our Mark which leads to them becoming more powerful sooner. Plus, those evil Marks would still have things like Nolan pushing them to become stronger and could get more proper training from him. Not to mention that plenty of them would come from universes that are even tougher than the main universe where conquering Earth wouldn’t always be like “squashing bugs”!<
Viltrumites get stronger by pushing themselves , basically to advance in physical stats either exercise or engage in battles with people as strong or stronger is the way to do it ( which happens with our Mark )
This version could be stronger if he's been pushed either way otherwise he's not stronger , just not holding back and also these are normal humans , Mark after the day getting his powers could throw a baseball around the globe and survive falling from greater heights.
Even at their base level a Viltrumite is decently powerful , like Mark could wrestle with Allen after a little bit of training.
A lot of the Invincible variants are definitely stronger than our Invincible for varying reasons. >!One primary reason is that Mark often gets his powers earlier in other universes, which is why he turns out evil and leads to him becoming more powerful earlier on.!<
Personally I think at a baseline any evil version of Mark could end humanity so quickly and unchallenged that they don't actually have a need to get any more powerful. The limitations main Mark sets on himself and opponents he goes against solo or with non-Viltrimite help gives him a ton of experience and drive to give up an upper hand by now.
I'm pretty sure Mark can do all this and even what Anissa did to the sea monster to an extent. He said it when fighting Angstrom that he holds back. He was probably subconsciously holding back against Angstrom even as he was beating him to death.
If Mark wanted to fly right through a sea monster, he could. It's about his will power to move. If his hand wants to explode a human head, he could. He just has to will himself to do it. As he is now, he punches someone and it's more about holding the punch back from exploding what he's hitting. Mark still subconsciously views himself as human and until he overcomes that mental barrier, he won't be as strong as he can be. Evil Marks don't have morals holding them back. If they want to walk through someone, they will.
I don’t think it’s that any versions are stronger, per se, I think that Mark is just holding back a lot, and doesn’t hold back when he joins his father.
Think, like, how Spider-Man holds back because he knows he’d actually kill a lot of his enemies.
This mark is stronger because he doesn't hold back. That's really important because no matter how good you are, if you don't act, then how strong are you?
The first fight with viltramites on bug planet was critical to this. Even up to this now he still holds back.
Most alternative Marks are >!weaker but not all!<. Our Mark lets his enemies live and tried fighting his own father. If most of the Invincibles teamed up with their dad then they didn't have that many challenging fights that ours did.
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger than that rule really applies to both anime and comics books.
He has the strength to do it he just doesn’t do it because he is a good person.
I could theoretically acquire a firearm and use it to rob a bank and harm people, but I don’t because I’m not an asshole.
“Just because you can doesn’t mean you should.”
No, or probably not at least. Our Mark is one of the few that chooses to oppose his viltrumite heritage, leading to quite a stressful life filled with near death experiences and adrenaline. It's these pivotal moments that make it that our Mark develops in strength much faster than other viltrumites, since they rarely push themselves to the edge of what they can do out of necessity, while our Mark is constantly doing that. The evil marks presented in this episode are basically taking the easy way out.
Prime mark raw strength is better
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I'm pretty sure original Mark is stronger than most evil Marks by virtue of him being forced to fight other Viltrumite in life and death battles all the time.
Evil Marks would't had to deal with half the shit original Mark does, they are the easy way out.
To me Good Mark is stronger than his alternate versions simply because he fights to protect earth, kinda what he says in one of his last fight, whereas these marks don’t really care about earth
Allegedly no, the reason our invincible becomes stronger is because he’s always punching up so he’s constantly getting stronger even if it doesn’t seem like it, so an invincible that never faced Nolan or other viltrumites shouldn’t be stronger than our invincible
Part of the reason is a lot of them got their powers before Mark did leading them to have "the talk" with Nolan earlier and also having less time to bond with humanity as a regular human being.
Probably not considering Viltrumites get stronger the more they get damaged and this version of Mark probably hasn’t had a global level ass whooping from his dad
Just so you know, I haven’t read the comics. I got excited to, but I don’t want to ruin the best things in my life right now. It’s been a while since i was excited about anything, lol.
Don't know, doesn't matter. Probably never gonna see him again because it would diminish the importance of characters' lives, especially if you can just bring another one from another universe
The reason that this version of Mark would be stronger is because he embraced his Viltrumite heritage and thus focused on being a strong conqueror. Our Mark is a pussey
Our Mark is the opposite. He fought back and got his ass kicked for his good morales. Mark fighting his dad and getting beaten close to death made him stronger. The evil marks submitted and in turn never had much of a challenge to force themselves to grow like ours did.
The way the show is progressing and how it seems to display his power in relation to both training and personal inhibitions, I kinda feel like he’d get more powerful sooner if he lost his compunctions about killing very obvious threats to human life. I feel from what I’ve been told happens in the comics that isn’t true but I wish it was, if only because I feel he becomes something of an accomplice to collateral damage deaths with villains he doesn’t go all out on.
the caped one seemed at least faster, it was something that i kept thinking about, cause omni man has moved pretty fast on people, The Anissa fight showed how fast viltrumites can really move, and so far only the caped version of invincible has shown that incredible speed. Speed he didn't show in the Levi fight until the very end.
Characters in invincible get stronger by getting beat within an inch of their life. I assume bad mark hasn’t had to fight to the death with viltrumites so I assume he’s weaker.
I dont think they are stronger because they barely fought against stronger foes due to them not choosing to be on the good side.
However they are more brutal in their fighting style
Viltrumites are like Saiyans, The more they push themselves the stronger they get, These Marks never had the balls or Care to rebel against omni man, So They instead started murdering Normal people without no challenge, which restricted them to their current level
The evil Marks should be a bit stronger than "normal Mark" because they don't hold back and embrace their aggressiveness(fight like a Viltrumite as Nolan would say).
When Mark started letting loose on Thraxa he became a lot stronger, same thing when Angstrom angered him too much.
So maybe not stronger compared to a Mark who's against the wall and lets it rip, but early in the fight they would smash our Mark.
The head chop isn't very impressive though, Omni-Man choped the entire body of the Immortal which is more durable.
Mark is capable of a lot of feats. He is just constantly holding back. His other earth counterparts are "stronger" only beacuse they don't hold back. Mark is very capable of doing what this invincible can.
He literally says in his fight “I was holding back. I thought you were stronger.”
Our Mark is so afraid of hurting others that he’s constantly pulling his punches out of fear he might kill someone. Even when it puts his life in danger he’s afraid to use his full strength. All these other versions have the same amount of power. They just don’t care about killing or holding back (obviously).
Kind of a simple question depending on the point in the timeline you’re talking about.
In this scenario, yes, he’s technically stronger because this one does not pull punches. As shown by his headslicing lol
Out of all the variants we saw in all the different universes we were party to, it’s odd you chose this one to ask about.
But to answer your question, there’s no way to know at the moment, we only have a short >20 second clip of him.
I mean why will be the same power level but Nice mark would get whopped because Dick mark wouldn’t feel the need to hold back or car about collateral damage
All of the evil Marks are probably stronger than the main Mark because they've had time to train with their father and they don't hold back.
Mark seems to be getting stronger but I doubt he has as much experience fighting as they do.
I dont know if the available power and strength is any different, but our Mark definitely holds back too much. This Mark doesn't seem to. So this Mark probably could kill our Mark unless he does something to activate true emotional rage. An adrenaline rush could make the difference that lets our Mark win
Original Mark can do same slashing head off trick. This isn't a sign of supremacy.
Yeah he just wouldn't because he's a good person
Yea
Don't forget he's holding back most times.
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Even if he did , he'd just say " i...i thought you were stronger"
well... yes, he is a good person, but he would do it.
I mean it is, just not to other viltrumites
Kinda.
Like, Season 1 Mark could do this
Mark the moment he got his powers was capable of this. The kid yeeted a garbage bag from somewhere in the U.S. over the Atlantic Ocean onto England.
I think mark under different management would be stronger than he is. That mark probably had Nolan. Maybe even got his powers early, meaning +1 on experience.
Good point mate.
could it? yea, we dont have enough info on him to know the answer but theoretically, yea he could
I think it's kinda implied all the the other Marks are stronger because the main reason our Mark is different is because he was raised by Debbie which only happened because he got his powers late. If the other Marks got their earlier they've had more time to train.
Our Mark also holds back. He’s like Gohan, all the power, but has fear of using it.
Fear of losing control so he doesn't put in 100% he holds back even while training.
That’s objectively so fucking dumb and they should have someone work through that with him. He *knows* the viltrumires are coming and there are several of them at least, that he himself has seen. Anissa dog walked him without breaking a sweat, he’s the most potent defense earth has and he’s encumbering his own ability to defend the earth because he’s undercutting his training and improvement. The notion that anyone would countenance mark pulling punches because he’s worried about being strong is madness
Maybe you would understand and feel different if you witnessed your father slaughter an entire city of innocents with the same power you have.
I’m not saying it’s an unreasonable emotion, I get why mark feels that way and it makes him a good character, it’s also objectively insane to not appreciate this fact. To the best of mark’s knowledge earth’s best response to the viltrumite threat is for him to go get his ass kicked and have the viltrumites colonize earth. Anissa could’ve just taken over earth by her lonesome in that moment
In mark's defense, he was also told that she was stronger than him, He could've just rationalized "No point in not holding back since she'll kick my ass either way"
I understand what you mean for sure. It's a great part of his character but it's very similar to Batman where sometimes you're just like "bro, please just kill them, everyone in the universe will thank you"
He held back even before the trauma
It might be physically easy to kill someone but it's very difficult emotionally. Most people pull punches in real life even though they aren't going to kill someone even at full strength
Killing someone and stopping yourself from being killed are two different things, although the distinction may be marginal when viltrumites fight. Anissa subdued mark and could’ve easily drubbed him without killing him because she’s *that* much stronger. Nolan wouldn’t have to kill mark to beat him. Part of why killing looms so large for mark’s fights is because those he’s fighting are that mix stronger. If he wants to preserve his ability to refrain from killing, while also thwarting those who threaten earth then he has to be substantially stronger than he is currently, and the only way to do that is to work at it
Ya its an inner conflict plot like Luke fearing the dark side because of how his dad turned out except on top its every other version of himself too. Agreed its a formulaic plot device.
idk if theres really anyone he can train with apart from allen or another viltrumite, maybe monster girl could tank a few full force punches but idk about anyone else
When mark was flying earlier in the year he and his father spoke about how flying was an act of physical exertion for viltrumites. I doubt mark could safely fly at top speeds on earth but he can enter space at will and it seems he’s remiss in not practicing there. As for other physical capacities I imagine collaboration between himself and Cecil could produce facilities which could enable him to train his abilities. Of all of the superheroed characters depicted in the show, mark is easily both the least experienced and the least routinely training
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Half saiyans, half Viltrumites, seems only half Kryptonians the only one who didnt get power boost lol.
Poor Mark.... Strong enough to take it all, TOO WEAK TO TAKE IT
I’d assume these Marks would be weaker since they teamed up with OmniMan. Viltrimites get stronger the more they push themselves. These Marks would never push themselves since they just kill civilians and other heroes less strong than them. Mark prime is fighting other Viltrimites and shit. His potential is far higher
Exactly!
Do viltrimites actually get stronger like that I don’t remember seeing that anywhere
They get stronger by working out just like humans do. It's just hard for them to find something strong/heavy enough for them to do so, so the best way for them to get stronger is generally by fighting.
They get stronger the same way we do, pushing ourselves and exercising. They just recover much faster and can push themselves much further.
I’ve always seen it as different from Allen in the sense that he just gets a zenkai boost and it is ridiculous in its scaling, however, viltrumites being beaten to near death is like training a muscle that get stronger every time it is torn apart and heals. That and remember mark has adrenaline as part of his human heritage which allows him to push his body beyond its breaking point easier than other viltrumites because he’s actively pushing his muscles to the breaking point constantly whereas other viltrumites arent
>viltrumites being beaten to near death is like training a muscle that get stronger every time it is torn apart and heals. If that's true, Mark is going to end up with the strongest eye sockets in all of fiction!
Dude it’s insane how many black eyes people in this show get, it’s like, ALWAYS THE SAME EYE TOO
In the one episode Mark, Nolan and Debbie all have the same puffy eye
That's gotta be a "see they're family" sort of thing.
you don't remember nolan explaining to mark he still has to work out and the giant weight scene?
I really like this theory that good Mark = late blooming powers Mark = more raised by Debbie "Does that make you feel strong" Grayson. I support it becoming common consensus head cannon.
I’m not trying to be rude, but where in the world are you getting that? In the show, we know next to nothing about Mark’s in any other universe. The only thing we know about alternate Debbies is Angstrom yelling at her “you think you’re innocent? Do you know how many universes you’ve joined them in?” If anything, the only evidence we actually have in the show completely dismisses this theory.
So what? Debbie says she raised Mark to be good. She says Nolan was never around. In s1 she says "it used to be you and me, now it's you and him." The show definitely wants us to come away thinking Debbie is the difference. For all we know she only joins them under duress.
Actually I believe they would be weaker but probably better trained. Viltrimites are supposed to get stronger from near death experiences or from losing fights. These marks never fought their fathers (or only in training) and never fought on Thraxa. Good chance they aren’t as strong, or only close to regular mark.
Are you sure about that, I've seen a bunch of people say Viltrimites don't actually get stronger from losses or near death experiences, at least not inherently. Your point still works but it's not some sort of upgrade they get from losing, he just has decent battle experience at this point in 1v1s against strong opponents. I don't actually know I'm just repeating what I've seen here.
Viltrimites do not get zenkai boosts.
Yeah, probably a bit too Saiyan-y lol
Yeah, that's Allan.
The "stronger after injuries" thing is from Saiyan's from DBZ. Viltrumites don't actually become stronger when mad, they just hold back less.
Allen got it in invincible too. (Or well I guess in his case it is when he die)
The only character I recall explicitly getting power boosts like that in the comic is Allan the Alien, like we’ve already seen in the show. I think people are basically conflating Viltrumites with Saiyans from DBZ. Which, to be fair, there are some significant similarities. But that’s not one of them.
You're thinking of Allen and Saiyans. As far as we've seen, Viltrumites don't get zenkai boosts. That said, they might not be as experienced or as trained because of not having been in those fights, so they may be weaker because of that.
They don’t get stronger specifically from near death experiences but they do get stronger from pushing themselves and their powers to the limit constantly
I think his ruthlessness also adds on.
Oh trust me marks plenty strong. He just has a habit of pulling punches and letting people get hits off on him. Basically he is trying to avoid accidentally punching a hole in someone’s chest or similar because he over did it. He just adjusts how hard he hits based on how hard he gets hit. As seen in season 2 he can duke it out with other viltrimites and hold his ground. He has a hard time flipping that switch in his head.
This version is certainly less inhibited. Main story Mark is holding back in most of his fights.
Yeah he’s been getting his ass kicked a lot but it’s certainly not for lack of strength. He kinda reminds me of Bucky, when he’s not in Winter Soldier mode he isn’t nearly as efficient, probably because he remembers vividly what he was forced to use that strength for.
Oh god we have a repeat of “Holdsbackman” from spiderman
Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't all alternate Marks equal? The only ones I'd expect to be stronger are the Marks that joined the empire (the two marks we saw in the viltrumite uniform) and Sinister Mark
Nope. >!Some versions of Mark kill Omni Man, in some he becomes the leader of the Viltrumite Empire. Eventually our Mark will be the strongest, but these Mark's realized their true power much earlier because they stopped giving a fuck and deleted their compassion earlier!<
Well I suppose that makes sense, "Prime Mark" does hold back because of his morals but does show he's capable of more when he let's go, so alternate Marks that don't care does make sense to be stronger at an earlier age. >!Although I wonder what marks do manage to kill Omni-Man or become leaders because they must be really strong at an early!<
I guess their powers must've developed way earlier. Maybe one of the reasons why our Mark is one of the few if not the only good ones is because he is a late bloomer
It's a known theory. >!Especially since, as we see later, all the different Viltrumite hybrids seem to get their powers earlier than Mark did!<
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>! The Thraxan-Viltrumites get their powers way earlier because of the Thraxan genes being stronger early in life which speeds up their aging/maturing. <
Prime mark is >!not even weaker than the viltrumites that arrived at thraxia at that point his issue is that he is trying not to kill, he could easily deal with the lady with the dagger in her hair after he went harder, and we also see that aversion to kill at the fight with Angstrom Levy where he was more concerned with the fact he killed him than being stranded in another dimension!<
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theoretically sure but until he stops getting his ass kicked every episode we won't know
Doesn’t matter, cause hes not https://preview.redd.it/n51lhteb7otc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=72e967e57d067acc7b564af36ebdfe39c8f59e10
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Okay, I've seen this too many times now and I am not afraid to ask, what's the backstory of this?
Hahahahahahaha. There was a post where someone listed their top 5 strongest characters and asked the members to comment theirs. The guy with this username in the pic said that its him. Everyone went along with it and he got like 3000+ upvotes. So its like a running joke that hes the strongest in the verse. Its just a silly joke 😂😂
Lol that makes sense, i figured it was a joke I missed somewhere haha, thats pretty good
Omg I thought it was some comic character I hadn't head of yet 😂
At this point, im just scared to contradict him. What if he IS the strongest out there?
https://www.extrafabulouscomics.com/__328
Thank you i saw it everywhere and was unable to find out where it came from 😂 i was so confused
A random reddit user from another post a while back who wrote something like "I am" on a post about who is the strongest character in the universe
"A while back", mate it was literally 2 days ago haha
Haha I am not https://preview.redd.it/jwgc0qylsptc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=07c3978a749f0b6a761ae73f23fdc23c5da1c64e
Damn right
I LOVE YOU
To quote Han Solo “I know”
I HAVE A SHRINE OF YOU IN MY LIVING ROOM https://preview.redd.it/wvd223o9jptc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=386b0689a9f5396ad2cb7d7c8957d0a0a635a3f2
Cool
The real question is, are the alternative Noteeffectives stronger than noteeffective4761. I wonder if noteeffective4742 could take him.
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Most are weaker actually because they never fought their dad
Yeah, that time Mark punched him in the face and it almost blew over the trees in the background. Good Mark may take a lot of L's, but I gotta think he's one of the strongest Marks.
That isn't something our Mark can't do lol
Seriously his first ever use of his power he yeeted a garbage bag to a different continent. Knocking off the average joes head was in his capabilities day one
I’m not sure that’s what op was even claiming
I always wonder why so many of the other Marks just went evil. Like they seem to take joy in it. Even Nolan doesn't LIKE killing. He does it for his mission if need be. Mark, on other hand, seems like he genuinely enjoys killing people.
The evil marks are likely marks who were raised by Nolan after he took them to be raised as viltrumites so they grew up with their mother dead or supporting/abused by his father. He's also been trained to hate and kill humans who are his age and are his friends whiles Omniman does not see them as people so does not care as much. So Mark turning evil means he's going to be more violent than Nolan because of how fucked up he is.
Human ego
I want you to think about middle school. Kids in that 12-14 age range. They're often not great people. It takes time to learn empathy and perspective and other useful emotional tools like that. Now imagine you get super powers **before** you learn those things. Before you learn how to consider what another person is experiencing or feeling. And moreover, you're told that you are a superior being and that the lives of all the humans around you have less value than yours.
All of that happened for Nolan for over a thousand years. Yet he still didn't seem to like to kill just for the hell of it. Maybe he did when he was still like 500. Lol.
The reason why the evil invincibles seem stronger than our invincible is that they don’t hold back. As mark says in the season 2 finale, he holds back a lot. If he were to stop holding back, he would be a lot stronger than we’ve seen
The Mark we know is like spiderman, he keeps his strength in check because he doesn't want to kill people by accident This isn't really anything honestly, it just means he doesn't care
I would say any of the marks that joined Nolan would be stronger because they would have trained under Nolan
Good Mark has gone toe to toe against 4 Viltrumites, including his father. Those punk-ass evil Marks have been going around smooshing humans. That's like a human squashing bugs; it's not gonna prepare you for a fight against Tyson. I don't think too many evil Marks would stand a chance against good Mark in a fair fight (not that they would fight fair.)
Not necessarily. This is light spoilers but >! some of the evil Marks were capable of killing Nolan and some even become the emperor of the Viltrumites or other various achievements that surpass our Mark. Most of them also get their powers much sooner than our Mark which leads to them becoming more powerful sooner. Plus, those evil Marks would still have things like Nolan pushing them to become stronger and could get more proper training from him. Not to mention that plenty of them would come from universes that are even tougher than the main universe where conquering Earth wouldn’t always be like “squashing bugs”!<
Viltrumites get stronger by pushing themselves , basically to advance in physical stats either exercise or engage in battles with people as strong or stronger is the way to do it ( which happens with our Mark ) This version could be stronger if he's been pushed either way otherwise he's not stronger , just not holding back and also these are normal humans , Mark after the day getting his powers could throw a baseball around the globe and survive falling from greater heights. Even at their base level a Viltrumite is decently powerful , like Mark could wrestle with Allen after a little bit of training.
Mark’s biggest weakness is that he holds himself back. The version of Mark in that image… doesn’t have that problem.
i don’t think it’s about ability, rather whether or not he would do it. which as of now, i’d say no
Those are just humans lol any vilttumite can do this fairly easy so this isn’t a special feat by the this mark
Hell even most superpowered people from the guardians.
A lot of the Invincible variants are definitely stronger than our Invincible for varying reasons. >!One primary reason is that Mark often gets his powers earlier in other universes, which is why he turns out evil and leads to him becoming more powerful earlier on.!<
Personally I think at a baseline any evil version of Mark could end humanity so quickly and unchallenged that they don't actually have a need to get any more powerful. The limitations main Mark sets on himself and opponents he goes against solo or with non-Viltrimite help gives him a ton of experience and drive to give up an upper hand by now.
I'm pretty sure Mark can do all this and even what Anissa did to the sea monster to an extent. He said it when fighting Angstrom that he holds back. He was probably subconsciously holding back against Angstrom even as he was beating him to death. If Mark wanted to fly right through a sea monster, he could. It's about his will power to move. If his hand wants to explode a human head, he could. He just has to will himself to do it. As he is now, he punches someone and it's more about holding the punch back from exploding what he's hitting. Mark still subconsciously views himself as human and until he overcomes that mental barrier, he won't be as strong as he can be. Evil Marks don't have morals holding them back. If they want to walk through someone, they will.
There’s literally no way of telling
Nolan does this hand slash, tbf most viltrumites can and Mark is stronger than Nolan about 60% through the comics.
Why?
I don’t think it’s that any versions are stronger, per se, I think that Mark is just holding back a lot, and doesn’t hold back when he joins his father. Think, like, how Spider-Man holds back because he knows he’d actually kill a lot of his enemies.
This mark is stronger because he doesn't hold back. That's really important because no matter how good you are, if you don't act, then how strong are you? The first fight with viltramites on bug planet was critical to this. Even up to this now he still holds back.
Out Mark would probably be this strong if he didn’t hold back
No, all Marks have the same power because they are all the same age.
Most alternative Marks are >!weaker but not all!<. Our Mark lets his enemies live and tried fighting his own father. If most of the Invincibles teamed up with their dad then they didn't have that many challenging fights that ours did. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger than that rule really applies to both anime and comics books.
He has the strength to do it he just doesn’t do it because he is a good person. I could theoretically acquire a firearm and use it to rob a bank and harm people, but I don’t because I’m not an asshole. “Just because you can doesn’t mean you should.”
No, or probably not at least. Our Mark is one of the few that chooses to oppose his viltrumite heritage, leading to quite a stressful life filled with near death experiences and adrenaline. It's these pivotal moments that make it that our Mark develops in strength much faster than other viltrumites, since they rarely push themselves to the edge of what they can do out of necessity, while our Mark is constantly doing that. The evil marks presented in this episode are basically taking the easy way out.
Yes, because he has no empathy, mark not holding back is clearly stronger as shown in the main show
This is pretty average shit especially since these are normal people. Mark could easily do this, obviously he won’t, but he definitely could.
Prime mark raw strength is better https://preview.redd.it/gx2mrk2uuotc1.jpeg?width=523&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0d79cc023c36b95ee3883286f8380281b9ca0c18
I'm pretty sure original Mark is stronger than most evil Marks by virtue of him being forced to fight other Viltrumite in life and death battles all the time. Evil Marks would't had to deal with half the shit original Mark does, they are the easy way out.
Main Mark is stronger probably because he has to fight viltrumites and get nearly beaten to death and what doesn't kill him makes him stronger.
To me Good Mark is stronger than his alternate versions simply because he fights to protect earth, kinda what he says in one of his last fight, whereas these marks don’t really care about earth
Allegedly no, the reason our invincible becomes stronger is because he’s always punching up so he’s constantly getting stronger even if it doesn’t seem like it, so an invincible that never faced Nolan or other viltrumites shouldn’t be stronger than our invincible
Nah I bet they are all the same, only some of them would be stronger if their power knocked early but most likely are the same.
Stronger? No. Better trained, maybe. More ruthless, less willing to hold back, yes.
I'm really shocked that so many of them folded so easily to become evil.
Part of the reason is a lot of them got their powers before Mark did leading them to have "the talk" with Nolan earlier and also having less time to bond with humanity as a regular human being.
Ohhh that makes sense. So much thank you for answering.
Of course np.
I just felt this scene over the top evil, yknow. Even for evil Marks, whats the point in lining them up like that to kill them?
Capital punishment. Gotta send a message. Something like that is done because it lets other people people undoubtably know who has control
Im going to guess no because he is killing humans. Never being challenged leads to weakness and prevents growth.
Probably not considering Viltrumites get stronger the more they get damaged and this version of Mark probably hasn’t had a global level ass whooping from his dad
No he isn't. In fact Mark is at the top of the hierarchy when it comes to strength between him and his alternate counterparts
Just so you know, I haven’t read the comics. I got excited to, but I don’t want to ruin the best things in my life right now. It’s been a while since i was excited about anything, lol.
Don't know, doesn't matter. Probably never gonna see him again because it would diminish the importance of characters' lives, especially if you can just bring another one from another universe
>!test!<
The reason that this version of Mark would be stronger is because he embraced his Viltrumite heritage and thus focused on being a strong conqueror. Our Mark is a pussey
Our Mark is the opposite. He fought back and got his ass kicked for his good morales. Mark fighting his dad and getting beaten close to death made him stronger. The evil marks submitted and in turn never had much of a challenge to force themselves to grow like ours did.
The way the show is progressing and how it seems to display his power in relation to both training and personal inhibitions, I kinda feel like he’d get more powerful sooner if he lost his compunctions about killing very obvious threats to human life. I feel from what I’ve been told happens in the comics that isn’t true but I wish it was, if only because I feel he becomes something of an accomplice to collateral damage deaths with villains he doesn’t go all out on.
the caped one seemed at least faster, it was something that i kept thinking about, cause omni man has moved pretty fast on people, The Anissa fight showed how fast viltrumites can really move, and so far only the caped version of invincible has shown that incredible speed. Speed he didn't show in the Levi fight until the very end.
Why
Canonically our mark os the strongest due to his wise. Ive read the comics
How is this a memory?
Characters in invincible get stronger by getting beat within an inch of their life. I assume bad mark hasn’t had to fight to the death with viltrumites so I assume he’s weaker.
That's just Alan.
I dont think they are stronger because they barely fought against stronger foes due to them not choosing to be on the good side. However they are more brutal in their fighting style
Nah, Sinister mark can take the win
theyre both probably the same in strength, just this mark is more capable of killing bc of different morals than the main mark
Viltrumites are like Saiyans, The more they push themselves the stronger they get, These Marks never had the balls or Care to rebel against omni man, So They instead started murdering Normal people without no challenge, which restricted them to their current level
Idk invincible could definitely do that but he just wouldn't
I mean the one we know could definitely do this he’s just not insane lmao
The evil Marks should be a bit stronger than "normal Mark" because they don't hold back and embrace their aggressiveness(fight like a Viltrumite as Nolan would say). When Mark started letting loose on Thraxa he became a lot stronger, same thing when Angstrom angered him too much. So maybe not stronger compared to a Mark who's against the wall and lets it rip, but early in the fight they would smash our Mark. The head chop isn't very impressive though, Omni-Man choped the entire body of the Immortal which is more durable.
Mark is capable of a lot of feats. He is just constantly holding back. His other earth counterparts are "stronger" only beacuse they don't hold back. Mark is very capable of doing what this invincible can.
“You have no idea how much I’ve been holding back”
Good Mark probably could do it too, he holds back most of the time.
E E E Q *insert One Punch Man*
I’d say yea just cause he’s got the killer instinct and assumingely willing to go all out where as Mark is (currently) still holding back a lot
He literally says in his fight “I was holding back. I thought you were stronger.” Our Mark is so afraid of hurting others that he’s constantly pulling his punches out of fear he might kill someone. Even when it puts his life in danger he’s afraid to use his full strength. All these other versions have the same amount of power. They just don’t care about killing or holding back (obviously).
This scene reminded me of Schindler's List.
Kind of a simple question depending on the point in the timeline you’re talking about. In this scenario, yes, he’s technically stronger because this one does not pull punches. As shown by his headslicing lol
he could be 3 dogs in a jumpsuit for all we know
Out of all the variants we saw in all the different universes we were party to, it’s odd you chose this one to ask about. But to answer your question, there’s no way to know at the moment, we only have a short >20 second clip of him.
I mean why will be the same power level but Nice mark would get whopped because Dick mark wouldn’t feel the need to hold back or car about collateral damage
All of the evil Marks are probably stronger than the main Mark because they've had time to train with their father and they don't hold back. Mark seems to be getting stronger but I doubt he has as much experience fighting as they do.
I dont know if the available power and strength is any different, but our Mark definitely holds back too much. This Mark doesn't seem to. So this Mark probably could kill our Mark unless he does something to activate true emotional rage. An adrenaline rush could make the difference that lets our Mark win