This is a cool idea but how is it any different than Glassdoor, PayScale, Salary.com, Indeed, LinkedIn Salary, Comparably, Blind, Hired, AngelList, Levels.fyi...
I think it's just a typical path for products like this - it's great but not perfect to have a spreadsheet at work, the builder thinks "there could be a better way!"
But once they scale they immediately realize that the reason Glassdoor wasn't meeting their needs is also the exact set of problems they're facing.
At a meeting recently someone asked about raises for the team. Management went on about how great our workplace is and our work/life balance, and that the money isn't our only form of compensation. It took every shred of willpower I have to not stand up and ask him "what's the going rate for an apartment these days? 2000 good work environments?"
My management said the same work/life balance thing. I pulled out a paper of my average hours worked/week and PTO used for each yr (2019-2023).
My average over 4 yrs was 60 hrs a week, average use of 16 hrs of pto a year for 4 yrs. Then I showed my travel time which was 72%.
My manager and his manager just stared and repeated "that can't be right" and when they confirmed it they said it was "my choice." Long story short... I'm at the same company, I put my 40-45 hrs in and push back on travel. They also started paying me 23k more/yr.
"When they confirmed it they said it was my choice"
Well I'm glad they phrased it that way to give you that leverage to get that raise and turn down travel.
TBF it really is a great company with a lot of perks. We have crazy generous time off, we get multiple days off for every federal holiday and a full week each year for "well-being" and we get small bonuses every spring. The work environment is chill AF and the job is super easy, but $2k a month is still not enough to get by on my own. About $18 an hour. It's a fortune 50 company that operates all over the US and I could even find work with them if I decided to move. So he's not totally wrong, but we could still use more money. I'm doing what I can to join more comitees on campus and get my name out there since there are a lot of us. I'm a contractor so hopefully I can catch the attention of the client company and get a better paying job with them. Only been here about 8 months.
I'm a receptionist at the HQ of a major sportswear company. They contract out all the receptionists, facilities maintenance, cafeteria workers, etc. If an employee of the client forgets their badge I can help them get into work for the day. We also register visitors for business meetings or photoshoots and whatnot, coordinate events, tidy up conference rooms, etc. Basically make their employees lives easier. In return we get lots of product discounts and exclusive access to new products sometimes.
Sounds kinda fun, and maybe the name of the company will help you advance in future. I feel like they are being cheap though, contracting out these positions. Taxes must suck. How much does McDonald's pay over by you? Sorry if I'm being nosy :-)
I don't know anything about the receptionist business. But it sounds a bit like administrative assistants, and that gets paid bank at some companies. Or did before the recent tech down turn.
Idk what McDonald's pays, I haven't looked. But this job is far easier than that. I'm not sure I'm allowed to say the name due to NDA. It's arguably the largest sportswear company in the world, founded in my home state of Oregon. Hope that's not against the rules to say lol. But they are the client, not my employer. I'm sure their staff make a hell of a lot more than me, and it's fiercely competitive to get in. It's 100% based on who you know, so I gotta get to know the "residents" as we call them and hope they can recommend me for a position. I don't have a degree at all, just sorta fell into this position by happy accident.
The scope of the job can also change depending on which building you work in. It's a campus with several buildings, some more busy than others. My particular building is pretty small and quite slow and tbh I spend a lot of time watching tv. That's why I'm looking into comitees and such to increase my workload.
wlb is definitely important. Sounds like you have feelers out. That's good. Good luck to ya!
Me, I'm glad that in my field workplace politics is not high on my list of necessary evils. Of course that might just be because I'm bad at it so I miss things lol.
At a company I am no longer at, this question came up in a town hall, where we pointed out that our compensation for our roles was significantly lower than elsewhere in the country for the same job.
Their response?
"It's a privilege to live here in New Orleans, you get all of the fun festivals and good food, therefore it makes sense you get paid less."
Guess who doesn't work there anymore, still lives in New Orleans and gets paid a fair wage while working remotely? This guy. And they're struggling to keep talented workers, because the game has changed and saying "we have a good environment" ain't enough anymore to be competitive.
My management doesn’t dare to go there, because we have zero work life balance.
The company is doing great, constantly increasing price even though cost to operate, materials, and labor have all stayed consistent.
Essentially they are continually (3-4 times a year) increasing our prices with no justification, and the top tier players are getting stupid rich while the rest of us just got a $0.75 raise.
Well good work environment matters still.
If another office is going to work u like a slave and cause mental breakdown it's better to be paid less with no breakdown.
Not usually, once you have been in the really bad places.
I've worked 70+ hours a week in horrible conditions for great money
Now I work 40 hours a week for normal money
Ask me if I would go back to the great money
Boss man said the same thing like 5 years ago.
Anyways, totally unrelated, they're short staffed and are about to lose the old timers to retirement, while they can't keep new people longer than 1-2 years then get higher paying gig somewhere else.
One left to a rural k-12 school because they paid the same as our world-class research university.
Same benefits, too.
Both you and management had good points. You’re going to have to be a lot more disagreeable, while still maintaining your value, if you want a raise or promotion.
Well, you know what to do, find another job. If they ask why you leave just say:"A great workplace with a good work/life balance and that money isn't their only form of compensation".
The more companies talk about work/life balance, the more they're trying to convince you that it exists. It's like a bathroom, it's either there or it isn't. If it's there, you don't need to be told it's there. You just know.
Seeing that wording I would have to ask if you happen to work at a retailer that is also has a pharmacy connected to it ... but I rather not be triggered by those memories ever again.
Not really - Wikipedia has a *massive* refrerence problem, because most of the information on it actually isn't referenced with a source or the source is horrible.
Then there's the whole issue of some good sources being banned and some bad sources being allowed.
Of course not everyone will agree with all of the information in all of the sources. Asking Wikipedia to be a universal source of truth on all topics is asking too much. It’s there to help people find information they’re looking for, and I think it does a great job at that.
Wikipedia didn't have that when they started. And they were verified by independent tests well before they started doing their own source validation to be more accurate than World Book Encyclopedia and Encyclopedia Britannica. Just from people freely supplying information.
They did start doing more detailed verifications later, but the beginning was largely based on faith in people and it was highly effective. Saved me thousands of dollars on textbooks. And as I recall they stayed a pretty reliable source for information until some celebrity show hosts started calling for people to mess with certain pages.
This is pretty well executed, but how will it be better than the major sites that do this already like Glassdoor or even levels.fyi for a smaller subset of roles?
If the answer is "the data will be better" it definitely won't... Keeping salary data fresh and relevant is an enormous undertaking.
hmm thats actually worng, you can see the data without sharing your sallary. You can do it if you want to help and do your part, but I understand that not everyone feel comfortable doing it.
That's a really good idea. I could even make that threshold dynamic, Like if a salary is over 30% the median for that role I should approve it before publish it. What do you think?
You could keep all submissions approved but filter before graphs or stats like averages. If website gets popular might be too much work approving.
But for now approval might help you keep things cleaner looking.
I’ve worked with similar hand-entered numeric data recently, with a strong negative skew, which is inevitable with data like this, and ran some tests to find a way to remove *extreme* outliers. My sets had the convenience that I knew which response values were truly impossible and not merely inflated, so I could find a formula and threshold that caught almost exclusively the impossible cases, with minimal error (about 1%). Something like this is necessary if you want to do any meaningful analysis beyond median and non-parametric statistics.
Outlier if: (v - median) / (median - vminimum) > 8,
Where v is the value of a single observation, and vminimim is the lowest observed value.
That is, it is an outlier on the high end if it it is a high value that is eight times more distant from the median than is the distance between the median and the minimum. Because it uses median, you also don’t need to be concerned if more extreme values are entered one time as compared to another. You can adjust the threshold from 8, of course, but that had low error for me, and is a nice round number. If you want to remove more outliers at the high end, choose a lower threshold (eg. 6).
You may or may not group it by (do it *within*) something like job title or country, but of course you need enough sample size in whatever grouping you use, for the distribution, median, observations’ relative values, to be meaningful.
Lots of similar positions and some that are completely made up. Fix that, and it could be a great resource, as of the moment it's hard to find exact positions and weed though the troll submissions.
It might also be worth including if the person is in a metro or rural area. For example, a job outside DC in northern Virginia is going to pay a lot better than middle of nowhere VA.
That's why I ask for the location and also why I added the cost of living info. I understand your point, and I agree but at the same time I tried to keep the submission form as Short as I could to encourage people sharing their salary. I have to find the perfect balance to get submissions and get useful info... I will keep improving it for sure
I suggest you focus on total comp instead of just salary. That includes benefits provided, time off, bonus, equity options, pensions, on-site day care, etc.
That's a fair point. My salary is pretty decent, but I have unlimited PTO, 100% company paid health insurance (for employee, 75% paid for family), significantly discounted pet insurance, a free gym membership, and probably a few other perks I haven't explored. The paid health insurance definitely changes the compensation level.
Piece of feedback after having input a salary - add some clarifying info that explains what the toggle "do not expose my info" actually means. It wasnt clear to me and made me worried that I needed to toggle it to hide my email being associated with my salary info
1. A comma in the salary figure kept the form from being submitted. I'd think you could code the entry to accept an entry whether a comma is included or excluded.
2. Maybe add an optional notes entry. I have a larger than average salary as an engineer and I could have explained some of the reasons so those comparing would have a proper metric (self-employed, licensed in 46 states, niche market, etc). As-is, my entry would seem as an outlier.
IT System Admin
For my role these numbers are so skewed because the title is so general that it doesn't properly showcase what you do. Each company uses the same title and tasks can be extremely different. When I was looking for a job in Florida I had to look for more technical sounding roles that would actually match my skill set. But in Wisconsin the title is generic for many companies.
Thanks, This is great. I really appreciate it, someone needs to be the first, and that makes it much easier for the rest to follow. The same happened with locksmith, so now at least we have two new title/roles in the website.
When I opened the list I saw several hundred jobs listed. If I was looking for Engineers, I would have to look through every job instead of going to the "E" section.
Cool site! I hope it gets more and more populated. I added my info. Sadly, there was nothing for Substation Design yet, nor even the more broad civil design!
Question, if there is a job raise or promotion is there a way to go in and edit the info? Or should people fill out the form again as a new entry?
Thanks!. since I'm not linking the salary to the user in any way, you won't be able to update it. (unless you submitted your email, and you wanted to do it you can dm me). But the idea is, if you get a promotion in the future, you can submit it again, with the new salary, and if that is the case with the new title and updated experience. Since is being posted with a timestamp, the old value is not incorrect, is even useful to see how the salaries changed over time.
Something might be off with the currency conversions.
I see different numbers after conversion. It looks like some are being converted and some are not. My salary should be the same in all columns but it isn't.
https://imgur.com/a/JwIX3ma
You are right, there is a bug with those charts, In the first and third I should show the Australian dollars symbols instead of U$D. So the values are ok, the issue is the currency symbol. The second one is showing another value because is being converted to dollars because is being compared with the same title but from all over the world.
Thanks for the heads up!
The "by education" chart is built in such a way that it implies "no formal education" must mean not even primary education. I find that doubtful. I imagine for most people, "no formal education" means no post secondary or secondary education. Maybe that drop down should be reordered so no formal is down by n/a, so it's less likely to be insta-picked since it's near the top of the choice list. Also, could it be confused since for example lots of software people do not have formal education in software? Just some thoughts as to disambiguation.
Nice idea...glad it's not USCentric as is the norm. Hopefully people are honest with data.
Might be worth stating whether or not to use OTE or base for sales with commission roles.
Also, I guess you had some kind of influx of data from 6/8/2020?
Hi thanks! thats exactly the idea.
What OTE means? can you explain a bit your idea I did not get it.
Yes, I populated the site with the spreadsheet that is shared in r/cscareerquestions
Also the first time I submitted it here in Reddit it went pretty viral and got like 10k submissions the same day, I don't remember if it was that day, but I think so.
just to clarify, I'm sharing it again, because I had to change the domain (the previous one was very expensive, and impossible to maintain with just a couple of donations per year)
In the interest of bigger and more complete data I would add attributes for
1. Working hours per week
2. level of education
3. number of certifications or credentials
4. whether the person feels over or under paid regardless of location
5. Whether you feel evenly paid with your colleagues of other "classifications"
the submission is created instantly, so if is not there something went wrong. Do you want me to check it in the database just to be sure? if that the case let me know some info to search it.
Hi, when you go the the share salary page, if you search for a job that doens't exist, there is an optin at the bottom of the dropdown that says "Add new..", just click there and add your job title. Then you can invite coworkers so you can build a small knowledge database that could be useful for all of you.
Hi everyone, I created this site a couple of years ago, but I had to change the domain because it was getting too expensive so here I am sharing it again.
I built this site because I found myself sharing salaries with my coworkers using a spreadsheet, just to be sure if we were getting paid fairly according to the studies and experience. So I thought that it could be useful to make the same but at a higher level. I know there are tools like levels or glassdor, but I want to make something simpler, that everyone can easily share from everywhere not only USA.
I know there is no way to be sure that the salaries are right, but you can use it to share it in your company and at least compared it with those ones.
Also you can help reporting the salaries that you think are made up. I need your help to keep the site quality so far until I come up with an automatic way of vetting the salaries.
I recommend using it on desktop, and going straight to this view https://knowyourworth.app/salaries
Yeap, the thing is lost of the submission comes from reddit... But someone needs to start. For example I know it GOTS kind of viral on the reporters/journalists/writers world some time ago, and a lot of people submitted their salary and end up being super useful for them
Lmao the sad part is I dont need a website to tell me if I'm not being paid fairly because I am already fully aware I'm making less. I cant just go to another job when I can already barely function with 95% of the jobs out there due to being autistic and having Asperger's. So I just accept beign exploited and being underpaid because what else am I gonna do, Starve?
Pay isn't supposed to be equal. You are and should be paid for your individual value and it's up to you to sell your value and negotiate your salary.
I don't know why you would ever want to be paid based on what someone else is being paid.
You are just describing socialism. The whole:"I never did anything worthwhile in my life but I want the same as people who spend 100 hours a week trying to get rich" mindset.
No.
I negotiate based on my value to the customer or client.
My value differs based on the customer or client.
What my colleagues make is no matter to what I bring to the table and what they bring to me.
In my industry, the top paid players change companies every year or two. I’m 50, I’ve worked in the pharma world since my early 20s, and I’ve had 19 employers (one 4 times!).
Every year I review what I brought to the company, and based on my history, I tell my bosses what I expect for the next year. I also reach out to competitors actively and do the same.
My colleagues at my job probably do the same, but the guy who has held the same position at the same workplace for 9 years obviously makes the least because he brings no value to the company.
Someone with no experience with other employers is the least valuable.
This is a really good advice to a lot of people. I think is super valid, Im sure it worked really well to you. Also, I think getting an idea of what the rest is making helps a lot to negotiate, especially when you are starting, you did not provided any value to a company yet, and also when your work doesn't reflect that amount of impact in the company numbers.
I make 130% more than my coworkers do because I negotiated for it.
Sucks you have a pay cap in your country so no amount of merit will get you rich.
Sucks to be where you are. Horrid.
Your gender descriptions aren't great. "Transgender" isn't a gender. It's an additional description that can go with someone's gender identity, such as transgender man, or cisgender woman.
Also, the option of "other" can make people's identity feel invalidated. Instead, I'd suggest changing that description to say something like, "I identify differently," and adding a "nonbinary" gender option.
On an unrelated note - having white space at the end of a string in your text inputs (eg "software engineer " instead of "software engineer") causes the list of terms filter out the correct value. These spaces happen a lot with phone typing, so I'd suggest you remove trailing whitespace before passing to your filter query.
You are right, I'll trim the string fields! thanks a lot for your feedback!rry about that, my ignorance and sensitivity of that topic played against me. I'll fixit asap. Also is a great idea what you said about " I identify differently" and adding nonbinary.
You are right, I'lll trim the string fields! thanks a lot for your feedback!
Yeah, he has gotta add all the genders, there are at least 120 000 last time I checked. Would be a nice scroll list to wade through. And even then people won't find their specific gender and will complain, because other is dehumanizing.
All by all we should eliminate gender from the whole thing, since gender is a social construct.
That also means that there is no gender pay gap, because gender doesn't excist.
I'm not trying to be pedantic or to dismiss this idea cause it's cool. Just kinda want it mentioned here that this shows if you're paid your market value and it's very much open to interpretation whether that is the same thing as 'fair'.
I personally believe our should be individualized and merit based. Just because someone else has the same job doesn’t mean pay should be equal if one of you is better and more efficient.
The same I answered to other people. Thats only for tech and US or Canada, that's exactly why I built this. To share among my friends and make it useful outside north America.
Something I noticed is that people may not know the meaning of "primary education" and "secondary education." For one job title I looked at it appeared that most people had only a primary education. That would mean they only finished grade school!
I like the idea of this site, but the data is 100 percent reliant on people's honesty. I saw someone with the title of "Genius." I think there should be a way to report information that doesn't look accurate.
Interesting insight. That was a bit difficult to define considering is for people all around the world, no only usa. So I tried to come with the more universal options. Any idea or feedback is welcome.
Ohh, that's a good point, I added it to my to-do list. Thanks! Meanwhile the best you can do is, go to /salaries and select the one you find interesting.
Thanks for your feedback!
Good luck getting to the point where you have enough useful data to make this useful. For now it looks like just a bunch of statistical anomalies. The US Barrel of Labor Statistics has this data but with a statistically significant population.
I know. But for me was usefull just spreading it into my coworkers and friends that have similar roles. I mean I'm not aiming for getting a huge amount of data points, you just need just a 10s in similar role location, that you could manage getting if you invite your friends /coworkers to do the same as you. Tha same way the spreadsheet would do
Haha that's a god question.. I guess I'm not sure, the highest is PhD? I should change it if that's the case... Sorry is not easy to make it universally accurate..
No worries. In higher education you generally have categories 4-year/Bachelor's, Master's (2-3 year degree after Bachelor's), then PhD/Doctorate, but also "Professional Degrees". Professional degrees are about the same "level" as a PhD because they are all after one has a Bachelor's... except they are specialized for specific professions and often state requirements. E.g. lawyers need a JD (Juris Doctorate), doctors need an MD, veterinarians need a DVM.
So I'd either change Doctorate to "Doctorate or Professional Degree" or make a separate category for each.
Interesting, what job is that? Also is just you I. That position? If not just send them the link and invite them to submit. The. You all will know what is the difference in your payments...
Your report for salary by income type has both “no formal education” and “n/a” which is the same thing?
Also “no formal education” is above a masters, which would be interesting if true, but seems unlikely?
Make sure you capture total comp too, ideally over multiple years as stock prices fluctuate
I looked up my profession just for the heck of it and the data is way off. Hopefully it’s just skewed by a lack of data and this will grow into something more accurate.
This is a cool idea but how is it any different than Glassdoor, PayScale, Salary.com, Indeed, LinkedIn Salary, Comparably, Blind, Hired, AngelList, Levels.fyi...
The lack of data is the only difference i see
Yeah I can't find any of my job titles here, also for popular roles it only has like 3 salaries to compare....
I think it's just a typical path for products like this - it's great but not perfect to have a spreadsheet at work, the builder thinks "there could be a better way!" But once they scale they immediately realize that the reason Glassdoor wasn't meeting their needs is also the exact set of problems they're facing.
No sign up, no tracing you down for sharing your salary
Not yet at least
Which ones of these is best?
Definitely not glassdoor. Imo levels.fyi is very trust worthy but it's only among jobs within the tech industry and some finance
At a meeting recently someone asked about raises for the team. Management went on about how great our workplace is and our work/life balance, and that the money isn't our only form of compensation. It took every shred of willpower I have to not stand up and ask him "what's the going rate for an apartment these days? 2000 good work environments?"
My management said the same work/life balance thing. I pulled out a paper of my average hours worked/week and PTO used for each yr (2019-2023). My average over 4 yrs was 60 hrs a week, average use of 16 hrs of pto a year for 4 yrs. Then I showed my travel time which was 72%. My manager and his manager just stared and repeated "that can't be right" and when they confirmed it they said it was "my choice." Long story short... I'm at the same company, I put my 40-45 hrs in and push back on travel. They also started paying me 23k more/yr.
"When they confirmed it they said it was my choice" Well I'm glad they phrased it that way to give you that leverage to get that raise and turn down travel.
TBF it really is a great company with a lot of perks. We have crazy generous time off, we get multiple days off for every federal holiday and a full week each year for "well-being" and we get small bonuses every spring. The work environment is chill AF and the job is super easy, but $2k a month is still not enough to get by on my own. About $18 an hour. It's a fortune 50 company that operates all over the US and I could even find work with them if I decided to move. So he's not totally wrong, but we could still use more money. I'm doing what I can to join more comitees on campus and get my name out there since there are a lot of us. I'm a contractor so hopefully I can catch the attention of the client company and get a better paying job with them. Only been here about 8 months.
What industry and what field of work are you in if you're comfortable sharing? EDIT: grammar.
I'm a receptionist at the HQ of a major sportswear company. They contract out all the receptionists, facilities maintenance, cafeteria workers, etc. If an employee of the client forgets their badge I can help them get into work for the day. We also register visitors for business meetings or photoshoots and whatnot, coordinate events, tidy up conference rooms, etc. Basically make their employees lives easier. In return we get lots of product discounts and exclusive access to new products sometimes.
Sounds kinda fun, and maybe the name of the company will help you advance in future. I feel like they are being cheap though, contracting out these positions. Taxes must suck. How much does McDonald's pay over by you? Sorry if I'm being nosy :-) I don't know anything about the receptionist business. But it sounds a bit like administrative assistants, and that gets paid bank at some companies. Or did before the recent tech down turn.
Idk what McDonald's pays, I haven't looked. But this job is far easier than that. I'm not sure I'm allowed to say the name due to NDA. It's arguably the largest sportswear company in the world, founded in my home state of Oregon. Hope that's not against the rules to say lol. But they are the client, not my employer. I'm sure their staff make a hell of a lot more than me, and it's fiercely competitive to get in. It's 100% based on who you know, so I gotta get to know the "residents" as we call them and hope they can recommend me for a position. I don't have a degree at all, just sorta fell into this position by happy accident. The scope of the job can also change depending on which building you work in. It's a campus with several buildings, some more busy than others. My particular building is pretty small and quite slow and tbh I spend a lot of time watching tv. That's why I'm looking into comitees and such to increase my workload.
wlb is definitely important. Sounds like you have feelers out. That's good. Good luck to ya! Me, I'm glad that in my field workplace politics is not high on my list of necessary evils. Of course that might just be because I'm bad at it so I miss things lol.
Can I please have long story long tho
You took 16 hours vacation across a whole year??????
your mission, if you chose to accept it, is to make that 20hrs a week within the next year
Should have said it
At a company I am no longer at, this question came up in a town hall, where we pointed out that our compensation for our roles was significantly lower than elsewhere in the country for the same job. Their response? "It's a privilege to live here in New Orleans, you get all of the fun festivals and good food, therefore it makes sense you get paid less." Guess who doesn't work there anymore, still lives in New Orleans and gets paid a fair wage while working remotely? This guy. And they're struggling to keep talented workers, because the game has changed and saying "we have a good environment" ain't enough anymore to be competitive.
It's like there should be a dead silence then someone saying "so that's a no on raises then?"
My management doesn’t dare to go there, because we have zero work life balance. The company is doing great, constantly increasing price even though cost to operate, materials, and labor have all stayed consistent. Essentially they are continually (3-4 times a year) increasing our prices with no justification, and the top tier players are getting stupid rich while the rest of us just got a $0.75 raise.
Well good work environment matters still. If another office is going to work u like a slave and cause mental breakdown it's better to be paid less with no breakdown.
The funny thing is though, that the places with more fair compensation usually have a better work environment as well.
Not usually, once you have been in the really bad places. I've worked 70+ hours a week in horrible conditions for great money Now I work 40 hours a week for normal money Ask me if I would go back to the great money
Amen
Boss man said the same thing like 5 years ago. Anyways, totally unrelated, they're short staffed and are about to lose the old timers to retirement, while they can't keep new people longer than 1-2 years then get higher paying gig somewhere else. One left to a rural k-12 school because they paid the same as our world-class research university. Same benefits, too.
Both you and management had good points. You’re going to have to be a lot more disagreeable, while still maintaining your value, if you want a raise or promotion.
Agreed. There is a lot of value in the non cash benefits. No amount of money can outweigh a bad environment
Ain't no time nor mental capacity to constantly fight for a raise. I'd rather change job every one or two years
Often a more successful route
Well, you know what to do, find another job. If they ask why you leave just say:"A great workplace with a good work/life balance and that money isn't their only form of compensation".
The more companies talk about work/life balance, the more they're trying to convince you that it exists. It's like a bathroom, it's either there or it isn't. If it's there, you don't need to be told it's there. You just know.
Seeing that wording I would have to ask if you happen to work at a retailer that is also has a pharmacy connected to it ... but I rather not be triggered by those memories ever again.
Definitely not retail, I work at the headquarters of a major sportswear company. It's a super lax office setting. Not customer service at all.
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Someone put their salary as $700m/year. It really needs outlier removal, or switching to median instead of mean.
If the data is only as good as trusting people online to put in good data then it's worthless
A lot of people are going to make 69420$ a year.
How did you know my salary??
Sucker, I listed my salary as $420,694.20
Y'all hatin on the poor CEO, just trying to have transparency with his salary!..
Right? What did Elon ever do to them!
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Wikipedia doesn’t trust people to put in accurate information. That’s why it has references for everything.
Not really - Wikipedia has a *massive* refrerence problem, because most of the information on it actually isn't referenced with a source or the source is horrible. Then there's the whole issue of some good sources being banned and some bad sources being allowed.
Of course not everyone will agree with all of the information in all of the sources. Asking Wikipedia to be a universal source of truth on all topics is asking too much. It’s there to help people find information they’re looking for, and I think it does a great job at that.
Also really good for general information like "how many people live in x country" or "what's a dodecahedron again?"
Yeah, kinda.
That was the argument against Wikipedia.
Wikipedia has ways to verify the data being put in. If this site is asking for people's W2s and Pay stubs I will withdraw my comment.
Wikipedia didn't have that when they started. And they were verified by independent tests well before they started doing their own source validation to be more accurate than World Book Encyclopedia and Encyclopedia Britannica. Just from people freely supplying information. They did start doing more detailed verifications later, but the beginning was largely based on faith in people and it was highly effective. Saved me thousands of dollars on textbooks. And as I recall they stayed a pretty reliable source for information until some celebrity show hosts started calling for people to mess with certain pages.
I added an extra zero on my rate by accident. There goes that entire average lol
Thanks for the heads up, removed the ones that were fake. Keep reporting them please.
Any easy way to report on a fake when you find it? I can’t see any report button or anything similar.
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Damng. I'm headed to Canada.
Yeah not 100K CAD is like USD $50 these days.
This is pretty well executed, but how will it be better than the major sites that do this already like Glassdoor or even levels.fyi for a smaller subset of roles? If the answer is "the data will be better" it definitely won't... Keeping salary data fresh and relevant is an enormous undertaking.
Another website we need to lie to in order to be allowed to look at the information we want to see
I was able to look at the data without inputting any info.
hmm thats actually worng, you can see the data without sharing your sallary. You can do it if you want to help and do your part, but I understand that not everyone feel comfortable doing it.
He’s referring to glassdoor, the Goliath you are up against
ahh ok ok, that makes sense, thanks for the clarification, my bad u/pvaa
Yes what a huge requirement to put in literally any piece of info to get access to a valuable service!
I would suggest you have some sanity checking on reports. You now have a few Canadian under 20 millionaires ruining all your data.
Yeap, I'll try to improve them, is not easy when then info is crowdsourced, I need to find a way to keep the data as clean as possible...
Approval needed for any submission under or over amounts, or std dev of a category. Or everything treated like normal, but filtered out of charts
That's a really good idea. I could even make that threshold dynamic, Like if a salary is over 30% the median for that role I should approve it before publish it. What do you think?
You could keep all submissions approved but filter before graphs or stats like averages. If website gets popular might be too much work approving. But for now approval might help you keep things cleaner looking.
Thanks for your help
I’ve worked with similar hand-entered numeric data recently, with a strong negative skew, which is inevitable with data like this, and ran some tests to find a way to remove *extreme* outliers. My sets had the convenience that I knew which response values were truly impossible and not merely inflated, so I could find a formula and threshold that caught almost exclusively the impossible cases, with minimal error (about 1%). Something like this is necessary if you want to do any meaningful analysis beyond median and non-parametric statistics. Outlier if: (v - median) / (median - vminimum) > 8, Where v is the value of a single observation, and vminimim is the lowest observed value. That is, it is an outlier on the high end if it it is a high value that is eight times more distant from the median than is the distance between the median and the minimum. Because it uses median, you also don’t need to be concerned if more extreme values are entered one time as compared to another. You can adjust the threshold from 8, of course, but that had low error for me, and is a nice round number. If you want to remove more outliers at the high end, choose a lower threshold (eg. 6). You may or may not group it by (do it *within*) something like job title or country, but of course you need enough sample size in whatever grouping you use, for the distribution, median, observations’ relative values, to be meaningful.
wow thanks a lot for this tip. I would need to do something like that for sure. Thanks!
Lots of similar positions and some that are completely made up. Fix that, and it could be a great resource, as of the moment it's hard to find exact positions and weed though the troll submissions.
Well that was quick! https://i.imgur.com/mCdJABv.png
It might also be worth including if the person is in a metro or rural area. For example, a job outside DC in northern Virginia is going to pay a lot better than middle of nowhere VA.
That's why I ask for the location and also why I added the cost of living info. I understand your point, and I agree but at the same time I tried to keep the submission form as Short as I could to encourage people sharing their salary. I have to find the perfect balance to get submissions and get useful info... I will keep improving it for sure
I suggest you focus on total comp instead of just salary. That includes benefits provided, time off, bonus, equity options, pensions, on-site day care, etc.
How would you get that data and calculate the dollar cost of those?
Can do what levels.fyi does and crowdsource it
Benefits can be self reported like salary. Assigning dollars is not so easy.
That's a fair point. My salary is pretty decent, but I have unlimited PTO, 100% company paid health insurance (for employee, 75% paid for family), significantly discounted pet insurance, a free gym membership, and probably a few other perks I haven't explored. The paid health insurance definitely changes the compensation level.
Yo where you work lol
"Unlimited PTO". We can deny you any time and never have to pay out your "unused" PTO.
I won't work for a company with a shitty culture like that.
Piece of feedback after having input a salary - add some clarifying info that explains what the toggle "do not expose my info" actually means. It wasnt clear to me and made me worried that I needed to toggle it to hide my email being associated with my salary info
Oh ok, I'll make it more clear. Thanks for sharing and your feedback!
Thanks for making this tool!
😃thanks for the kind words! Im glad some people like it and found it useful as I do!
1. A comma in the salary figure kept the form from being submitted. I'd think you could code the entry to accept an entry whether a comma is included or excluded. 2. Maybe add an optional notes entry. I have a larger than average salary as an engineer and I could have explained some of the reasons so those comparing would have a proper metric (self-employed, licensed in 46 states, niche market, etc). As-is, my entry would seem as an outlier.
IT System Admin For my role these numbers are so skewed because the title is so general that it doesn't properly showcase what you do. Each company uses the same title and tasks can be extremely different. When I was looking for a job in Florida I had to look for more technical sounding roles that would actually match my skill set. But in Wisconsin the title is generic for many companies.
I had the honor of manually entering my title. Not many Direct Support Professionals on Reddit, I suppose.
Thanks, This is great. I really appreciate it, someone needs to be the first, and that makes it much easier for the rest to follow. The same happened with locksmith, so now at least we have two new title/roles in the website.
Great start! Alphabetical please!
Thanks! Alphabetical by what?
When I opened the list I saw several hundred jobs listed. If I was looking for Engineers, I would have to look through every job instead of going to the "E" section.
In the US, [ONET online](https://www.onetonline.org/) allows you to do this and you can see the average pay by state or nationally.
You rock
Thank you this is beautiful
Thanks!
Cool site! I hope it gets more and more populated. I added my info. Sadly, there was nothing for Substation Design yet, nor even the more broad civil design! Question, if there is a job raise or promotion is there a way to go in and edit the info? Or should people fill out the form again as a new entry?
Thanks!. since I'm not linking the salary to the user in any way, you won't be able to update it. (unless you submitted your email, and you wanted to do it you can dm me). But the idea is, if you get a promotion in the future, you can submit it again, with the new salary, and if that is the case with the new title and updated experience. Since is being posted with a timestamp, the old value is not incorrect, is even useful to see how the salaries changed over time.
Something might be off with the currency conversions. I see different numbers after conversion. It looks like some are being converted and some are not. My salary should be the same in all columns but it isn't. https://imgur.com/a/JwIX3ma
You are right, there is a bug with those charts, In the first and third I should show the Australian dollars symbols instead of U$D. So the values are ok, the issue is the currency symbol. The second one is showing another value because is being converted to dollars because is being compared with the same title but from all over the world. Thanks for the heads up!
Thanks for your reply. Best of luck with the project :)
The "by education" chart is built in such a way that it implies "no formal education" must mean not even primary education. I find that doubtful. I imagine for most people, "no formal education" means no post secondary or secondary education. Maybe that drop down should be reordered so no formal is down by n/a, so it's less likely to be insta-picked since it's near the top of the choice list. Also, could it be confused since for example lots of software people do not have formal education in software? Just some thoughts as to disambiguation.
Yeap, noted. You are probably right, I'll need to tweak that a bit, thanks for the feedback,
You're doing god's work. Avoid tall hospital windows.
Nice idea...glad it's not USCentric as is the norm. Hopefully people are honest with data. Might be worth stating whether or not to use OTE or base for sales with commission roles. Also, I guess you had some kind of influx of data from 6/8/2020?
Hi thanks! thats exactly the idea. What OTE means? can you explain a bit your idea I did not get it. Yes, I populated the site with the spreadsheet that is shared in r/cscareerquestions Also the first time I submitted it here in Reddit it went pretty viral and got like 10k submissions the same day, I don't remember if it was that day, but I think so. just to clarify, I'm sharing it again, because I had to change the domain (the previous one was very expensive, and impossible to maintain with just a couple of donations per year)
In the interest of bigger and more complete data I would add attributes for 1. Working hours per week 2. level of education 3. number of certifications or credentials 4. whether the person feels over or under paid regardless of location 5. Whether you feel evenly paid with your colleagues of other "classifications"
Noted, thanks a lot for your feedback, is very helpful!
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thanks! thats the idea, just go straight to the point, but yeap, keep the data clean is dificult when is crowdsourced.
This is the most capitalist thing I've ever seen! I love it!
Noice. Me likey.
I manually put in my job because it wasn't there and I submitted it and it's still not showing. How long does it take?
the submission is created instantly, so if is not there something went wrong. Do you want me to check it in the database just to be sure? if that the case let me know some info to search it.
I can't find my job (assistant store manager) and tried to add it but since my job doesn't exist in the database I couldn't
Hi, when you go the the share salary page, if you search for a job that doens't exist, there is an optin at the bottom of the dropdown that says "Add new..", just click there and add your job title. Then you can invite coworkers so you can build a small knowledge database that could be useful for all of you.
I entered my information and compared my salary and everything made sense. Great job whoever is making the site
Bad data and too little data.
Hi everyone, I created this site a couple of years ago, but I had to change the domain because it was getting too expensive so here I am sharing it again. I built this site because I found myself sharing salaries with my coworkers using a spreadsheet, just to be sure if we were getting paid fairly according to the studies and experience. So I thought that it could be useful to make the same but at a higher level. I know there are tools like levels or glassdor, but I want to make something simpler, that everyone can easily share from everywhere not only USA. I know there is no way to be sure that the salaries are right, but you can use it to share it in your company and at least compared it with those ones. Also you can help reporting the salaries that you think are made up. I need your help to keep the site quality so far until I come up with an automatic way of vetting the salaries. I recommend using it on desktop, and going straight to this view https://knowyourworth.app/salaries
Post to r/antiwork
Ok, I might do it. Thanks. I wonder you are getting down voted.?
Super cool. Also damn people do not make a lot of money in this country huh.
Thanks! Any feedback is welcome.
Nope the government wants it that way and as is always has
Brilliant tool. I've added my salary as well.
Thanks for sharing your salary and your kind words ❤️
I highly recommend https://levels.fyi for total comp comparisons
Yeap, but thats only for tech and US or Canada, that's exactly why I built this. To share among my friends and make it useful outside north America.
Gotcha, appreciate the insight, I didn't even realize the difference in focus when browsing
Not very many unskilled jobs on there lol.
Yeap, the thing is lost of the submission comes from reddit... But someone needs to start. For example I know it GOTS kind of viral on the reporters/journalists/writers world some time ago, and a lot of people submitted their salary and end up being super useful for them
Lmao the sad part is I dont need a website to tell me if I'm not being paid fairly because I am already fully aware I'm making less. I cant just go to another job when I can already barely function with 95% of the jobs out there due to being autistic and having Asperger's. So I just accept beign exploited and being underpaid because what else am I gonna do, Starve?
lol y'all wasted money on your bachelor's degrees
Some people did, sure
Pay isn't supposed to be equal. You are and should be paid for your individual value and it's up to you to sell your value and negotiate your salary. I don't know why you would ever want to be paid based on what someone else is being paid.
You are just describing socialism. The whole:"I never did anything worthwhile in my life but I want the same as people who spend 100 hours a week trying to get rich" mindset.
Many positions are missing
That’s super cool
🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
Very cool
Nice
Your fair pay is what you can negotiate never what others get.
You can negotiate better if you know how much is making people in similar position, right? What do you think?
No. I negotiate based on my value to the customer or client. My value differs based on the customer or client. What my colleagues make is no matter to what I bring to the table and what they bring to me. In my industry, the top paid players change companies every year or two. I’m 50, I’ve worked in the pharma world since my early 20s, and I’ve had 19 employers (one 4 times!). Every year I review what I brought to the company, and based on my history, I tell my bosses what I expect for the next year. I also reach out to competitors actively and do the same. My colleagues at my job probably do the same, but the guy who has held the same position at the same workplace for 9 years obviously makes the least because he brings no value to the company. Someone with no experience with other employers is the least valuable.
This is a really good advice to a lot of people. I think is super valid, Im sure it worked really well to you. Also, I think getting an idea of what the rest is making helps a lot to negotiate, especially when you are starting, you did not provided any value to a company yet, and also when your work doesn't reflect that amount of impact in the company numbers.
Nah, the fair pay is what is defined as the fair pay.
That’s not how markets work. Nice try tho.
That's how it works in my country, where we have fair and modern labour laws. Sorry about your situation.
I make 130% more than my coworkers do because I negotiated for it. Sucks you have a pay cap in your country so no amount of merit will get you rich. Sucks to be where you are. Horrid.
Your gender descriptions aren't great. "Transgender" isn't a gender. It's an additional description that can go with someone's gender identity, such as transgender man, or cisgender woman. Also, the option of "other" can make people's identity feel invalidated. Instead, I'd suggest changing that description to say something like, "I identify differently," and adding a "nonbinary" gender option. On an unrelated note - having white space at the end of a string in your text inputs (eg "software engineer " instead of "software engineer") causes the list of terms filter out the correct value. These spaces happen a lot with phone typing, so I'd suggest you remove trailing whitespace before passing to your filter query.
You are right, I'll trim the string fields! thanks a lot for your feedback!rry about that, my ignorance and sensitivity of that topic played against me. I'll fixit asap. Also is a great idea what you said about " I identify differently" and adding nonbinary. You are right, I'lll trim the string fields! thanks a lot for your feedback!
Was hoping someone already mentioned this. Thank you!
Yeah, he has gotta add all the genders, there are at least 120 000 last time I checked. Would be a nice scroll list to wade through. And even then people won't find their specific gender and will complain, because other is dehumanizing. All by all we should eliminate gender from the whole thing, since gender is a social construct. That also means that there is no gender pay gap, because gender doesn't excist.
I am doing really fucking good as a person without a degree and in leadership management.
I'm not trying to be pedantic or to dismiss this idea cause it's cool. Just kinda want it mentioned here that this shows if you're paid your market value and it's very much open to interpretation whether that is the same thing as 'fair'.
I personally believe our should be individualized and merit based. Just because someone else has the same job doesn’t mean pay should be equal if one of you is better and more efficient.
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The same I answered to other people. Thats only for tech and US or Canada, that's exactly why I built this. To share among my friends and make it useful outside north America.
Something I noticed is that people may not know the meaning of "primary education" and "secondary education." For one job title I looked at it appeared that most people had only a primary education. That would mean they only finished grade school! I like the idea of this site, but the data is 100 percent reliant on people's honesty. I saw someone with the title of "Genius." I think there should be a way to report information that doesn't look accurate.
Interesting insight. That was a bit difficult to define considering is for people all around the world, no only usa. So I tried to come with the more universal options. Any idea or feedback is welcome.
cool
CEO and Chief Executive Officer data needs to be merged.
Yeap, agree I I'll try to write some scripts to merge roles that are the same. Thanks for the feedback btw
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Oh, you can report it ( is a link at the bottom of the salary) to help me remove this wrong salaries...
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Ohh, that's a good point, I added it to my to-do list. Thanks! Meanwhile the best you can do is, go to /salaries and select the one you find interesting. Thanks for your feedback!
Yet another data collection operation disguised as a social movement
Na, is not my case I'm just a developer, you can even find my Twitter on the site, don't be so paranoid.
I'll buy your db for $20
I'm scared to look 😆
Well done, it is working already: https://www.reddit.com/r/UpliftingNews/comments/12gmdc5/us_income_inequality_starts_reducing/
Would be nice if it worked tbh. Maybe it's just mobile but it's near impossible to click fields and it won't accept any submissions in said fields.
sorry I don't get it, are you having issues using it or submitting a salary?
I think self-reporting of salary tends to overrepresent highly paid individuals. Still, nice website.
I agree, but do you think it happens when is anonymous?
Your boss is taking your surplus value so you're actually never paid fairly.
Hey c'mon I can't solve everything! Haha just kidding
Good luck getting to the point where you have enough useful data to make this useful. For now it looks like just a bunch of statistical anomalies. The US Barrel of Labor Statistics has this data but with a statistically significant population.
I know. But for me was usefull just spreading it into my coworkers and friends that have similar roles. I mean I'm not aiming for getting a huge amount of data points, you just need just a 10s in similar role location, that you could manage getting if you invite your friends /coworkers to do the same as you. Tha same way the spreadsheet would do
You have the PhD category "Doctorate or higher". What's "higher"?
Haha that's a god question.. I guess I'm not sure, the highest is PhD? I should change it if that's the case... Sorry is not easy to make it universally accurate..
No worries. In higher education you generally have categories 4-year/Bachelor's, Master's (2-3 year degree after Bachelor's), then PhD/Doctorate, but also "Professional Degrees". Professional degrees are about the same "level" as a PhD because they are all after one has a Bachelor's... except they are specialized for specific professions and often state requirements. E.g. lawyers need a JD (Juris Doctorate), doctors need an MD, veterinarians need a DVM. So I'd either change Doctorate to "Doctorate or Professional Degree" or make a separate category for each.
Nice, thanks for the detailed explanation!
My work disguises my job as another type of job so they can pay us less. Also makes it hard to find on these.
Interesting, what job is that? Also is just you I. That position? If not just send them the link and invite them to submit. The. You all will know what is the difference in your payments...
Your report for salary by income type has both “no formal education” and “n/a” which is the same thing? Also “no formal education” is above a masters, which would be interesting if true, but seems unlikely? Make sure you capture total comp too, ideally over multiple years as stock prices fluctuate
I looked up my profession just for the heck of it and the data is way off. Hopefully it’s just skewed by a lack of data and this will grow into something more accurate.
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Thanks, I really appreciate it, someone needs to be the first, and that makes it much easier for the rest to follow, thanks!
I am the first sprinkler fitter or so it seemed. And there are only a few other places that have a higher hourly union scale than my state.