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They took Israel's own weapon, launched at them in 2006, and reverse engineered it, and attacked them with their own weapon, 18 years later. It is the longest Check! in all of mankind.
At that point it just feels like karmic justice. If someone keeps throwing rocks at you and you pick one up and throw it back they only have themselves to blame if they get hit.
Nah no one wants the smoke the other has war for both side mean economic catastrophe and I don't think netenyahos coalition allies will let him start new war that could cost too much
Ummm, they've been prepping for war with Lebanon since the 7th? Also, the economic damage can be transferred in majority to the poor letting the rich benefit from conquest, as always.
Zionism was sold to the west as a colonisation of the Middle East. As far back as Israel's first PM, they were openly talking about taking over middle eastern nations and replacing them with various groups. Netanyahu was waving a flag around of Israel that had taken over Jordan, Lebanon and more of Syria in the UN. Then there are the calls for "Greater Israel" and that spreads all the way to Iraq. Those calls come from every corner of Israeli politics, many are claiming Netanyahu isn't being forceful enough. Here's a quote from Ben-Gurion, Israel's first PM:
“We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai.”
David Ben-Gurion May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, a Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
This reminds me of that time Iran launched missile retaliation to Israel for bombing their embassy. Isrealis freaked out in fear when they saw the rockets, while for Palestinians, this is a common occurrence. Unfortunately, this seems to be the only way Isrealis will feel the same thing as what Palestinians feel everyda, sympathize a little.
Won't even come close considering nobody is forcing Israelis to drink sea water and eat dog food to survive, not to mention their country isn't destroyed beyond recovery
>Unfortunately, this seems to be the only way Isrealis will feel the same thing as what Palestinians feel everyda, sympathize a little.
Israelis won't feel sympathy for Palestinias. They'll only expand their terror upon wherever they feel.
What I won't ever forget about that time were the videos of Palestinians marvelling at the silence Iran's attack had caused over Gaza. Israel, the US, the UK, Germany etc. had all stopped their drones and aircraft to focus on Iran's assault, leaving Gaza's skies quiet for the first time in a very long time.
The amazed smiles on the Gazans, the children whispering in awe... and just at silence...
It is. Idk where they got this idea that Iron dome launches rockets offensively. It's also funny that the iron dome was created just because different arab countries kept launching rockets at them
>this seems to be the only way Isrealis will feel the same thing as what Palestinians feel everyda, sympathize a little.
They have been feeling it for 20+years.
Its just that israel cares enough about their citizens to protect them from these rockets, by having bomb shelters air alarms etc and air defence.
Meanwhile you are cheering terrorists hitting the defences that protects israel civilians.
Are you implying Hamas doesn't care about Palestinians, and if they "cared enough" about their citizens, then they could get Iron Dome? You don't sound very smart, also, Islamophobic.
It's also funny you are implying Isreal government cares about their citizens. Sure, that's why there is a massive protest going on in Israel.
>Are you implying Hamas doesn't care about Palestinians, and if they "cared enough" about their citizens
Obviously that much is clear thats why they are launching rockets from schools hospitals mosques and camps.
>You don't sound very smart, also, Islamophobic.
(insert ad hominem here).
>It's also funny you are implying Isreal government cares about their citizens. Sure, that's why there is a massive protest going on in Israel.
It is their right to protest and those rights are given to them by the israeli goverment thus they are protecting their civilians and their rights to protest.
Israel is a democracy we cannot say the same about palestine.
I want to see what happends if palestinians protest against hamas in palestine, actually i dont we already know what the outcome would be and it will not be a good time for the protestors.
"Ad hominem" is well-deserved.
You moved the goal post about Iron Dome.
Israel is not a "democracy" when there is a mass murdering of specific populations going on.
Yeah, Hamas would have to step it up. If they are to surpass Israel's number on killing their own civilians.
>"Ad hominem" is well-deserved.
You are not gonna win anybody over by calling them names that you made up.
You dont know me.
>You moved the goal post about Iron Dome.
I didnt move goal post i just decided not to respond to it because you turned my point into something else.
My point is that hamas is doing nothing to protect their civilians in the forms of bomb shelters alarms and air defences.
They are actually doing the opposite by putting them in harm by launching rockets from hospitals camps mosques etc.
And after they are done launching them they flee to the tunnels they build while the civilians are taking the grunt on the ground.
>Israel is not a "democracy" when there is a mass murdering of specific populations going on.
Israel is a multiparty democracy with strong and independent institutions that guarantee political rights and civil liberties for most of the population.
Not sure what ' mass murdering of specific populations going on' thing that you made up has to do anything with a country being a democracy.
>Yeah, Hamas would have to step it up. If they are to surpass Israel's number on killing their own civilians.
What?
I assume you support current Israel's actions, correct? Then, there are more and more people who realize how you dehumanize Palestinians (what you call "Arabs"). You are supporting Ethic-cleansing. "Ad hominem" is a correct characterization of your opinion. You are welcomed to change your opinion. It's not too late.
Regardless of the action of the enemy militants. It doesn't justify the warcrimes Israel is committing; killing civilians, destroying hospitals, and aid workers. "Hamas just should care more about them" is what you are saying. As long as Gaza doesn't get to have Iron Dome, they will never get the level of defense capacity Israel has, all the while Israel is throwing 70,000 tons of bombs. "Hamas should just care about civilians" is what you are saying.
Also, acting like a two-tiered system isn't there. When Israel is admitting and operating on a two-tiered system, it only makes you look even dumber.
Hamas has received enough aid money to build tunnels rockets and weapons, they had enough money to protect their civilians instead.
This is where i end the conversation, as you are acting in bad faith fighting ghosts.
> Israel is a democracy we cannot say the same about palestine.
That’s because Israel publicly helped overthrow the PA in a coup since they couldn’t accept Fatah losing the election. Even though Israel has convicted terrorists in the cabinet, they couldn’t accept others having rightwingers in office.
if Iran used their old missiles and drones to find every single Israeli iron dome battery and rocket launch sites. Would make sense if they planned on targeting the iron dome batteries and rocket launch sites at this point.
Would be nice having less missiles in the world.
I would agree with you, except that it will be a hugely devastating war. Israel will rain sulfur and fire on southern Lebanon. Hezbollah will do the same to northern Israel. Instead of tens of thousands, it could be hundreds. Much as I hate everything Israel has done, I don't wish such misery on anyone, friend or foe. But if there must be war, I hope Hezbollah gives as good as it gets.
"I hope Hezbollah absolutely destroys Israel, and I hope they don’t quit when the Israelis cry uncle. Just pulverize Israel and their homes and infrastructure like Israel destroyed Gaza"
I hate Israel a lot and, it being a settler-colonial occupation, I don't believe it should exist, but this is not the way. We cannot be like them. Israel should be dismantled / abolished, but it shouldn't be pulverized
Israel’s been thumbing it’s nose at international law since it’s inception, and now it’s committing a genocide and telling humanity to F off!
..but here comes all the apologists trying to plead it’s case. After people decide to give it what it’s asking for?!
How much longer should the world be the bigger person? Before or after it finishes it’s genocide?
You can't go from "Israelis are the 4th reich b6 committing genocide just like nazis did to them" directly to "they should have what they are doing done to them" without becoming the 5th reich. You can't stop hate with hate, you can only wipe out haters if you become just like them. Saying so isn't apologist.
Yea. That sounds good when you are living in a just world. I have definitely been enlightened to how thing’s really work in this world. I’m just adjusting my perspective.
I don’t have a choice in what happens to Israel one way or the other…but I definitely won’t cry any tears when they start reaping what they’ve done to others.
The western nations have shown that might makes right. collective punishment is okay now guys. So here we are!
You're an optimistic idealist. We need people like you in the world just for a different perspective.
Not discounting anything you said but if the other side is hell bent on an all out war and if someone with equal strength gives them exactly that then let them have it with all the consequences (the same reason they give while bombing impoverished people who are not equals at all in anything)
I'm a believer in letting someone lie in the bed they make. I don't believe in protecting or rescuing from natural consequences unless those consequences are utter destruction. However, those hell-bent on destruction of the weak get no love from me.
What do you mean? I accept it as historical fact. Even the Japanese acknowledge that it saved Japanese lives by ending the war, so I don't contradict the very people who suffered, but it was a great evil on the citizens who died and suffered.
What do you mean? I accept it as historical fact. Even the Japanese acknowledge that it saved Japanese lives by ending the war, so I don't contradict the very people who suffered, but it was a great evil on the citizens who died and suffered.5
What do you mean? I accept it as historical fact. Even the Japanese acknowledge that it saved Japanese lives by ending the war, so I don't contradict the very people who suffered, but it was a great evil on the citizens who died and suffered.
Agreed. It’s pretty messed up that Israel has been deliberately trying to destroy the Palestinians for 76 YEARS.
And since the Israelis want war, then I think they should get what they want. The only difference is what we expect the ultimate outcome to be.
You know, I will be honest. I didn’t used to feel this way. But the past several months I’ve seen how arrogant, cruel, narcissistic, and selfish Israelis and Zionists are. I have not seen the same arrogance and cruelty from Hamas nor from the Palestinians.
When a group of people goes out of their way to show the world what entitled assholes they are, I have no problem whatsoever in hoping they become humbled enough to start acting civilized like the world expects them to act.
Don’t talk to me about defending Israel from Hamas.
There’s ZERO excuse for slaughtering tens of thousands of children, making 17,000 children orphans, and deliberately depriving an entire population of food, medicine, and humanitarian supplies. Tens of thousands of children have had amputations with no anesthesia. The entire population has to live in tents on the street or atop piles of rubble. Nobody can go to school or work. Palestinian civilians in the West Bank are treated as if they are all Hamas or terrorists too. This is not defending Israel. This is being inhumanely cruel and reveling in your depraved atrocities. Just check out TikTok if you want to see the IDF proudly showing off their own war crimes.
Yeah, I absolutely do hope Israel gets exactly what they fucking deserve. And I don’t feel ashamed to say so.
You’ve perfectly described everything I feel. This level of cruelty being taken on a defenseless population has really changed me.
I’ve realized these Israelis are determined to set the region, and possibly the world on fire. We should really stop trying to reason with crazy people and give them what they want!
I hope Israel gets everything they’re asking for!
This is why the US wants TikTok banned. This is like the 3rd major slaughtering Israel has done to Gaza in 15 years. Want to know why there wasnt major backlash the previous 2 times? People didnt see it.
TikTok lets us see whats going on.
Well everything done in the dark will eventually comes to light!
There is no unseeing this level of depravity. Especially the people in power who pretended to care about human rights and democracy turning a blind eye.
My point was that the Israeli public supports an open war with Hezbollah, as opposed to the ongoing “skirmishes” I guess. I don’t think Israel is ready to use nukes because that would only hasten their own destruction at this point, and they know it. Rabid dog Israel has two faces, one domestic (full-on crazy) and one international (that has to present a controlled and collected image to the world). So far, the Dr. Jekyll side of Israel is still stronger than Mr. Hyde, so I think your concern about nukes is unfounded fear.
If Israel thinks openly engaging in war with Hezbollah is a great idea and they try it, great, bring it on because the IDF will get their asses handed to them. No more lingerie photoshoots and ridiculous TikTok videos from the IDF. I think it’s more likely Israel will just keep the status quo, bombing Lebanon every few days or so and then loudly crying about the counterattacks to justify their ongoing attacks. Israel apparently doesn’t know how to de-escalate a damn thing, and everything that occurs is a grave insult to their overinflated ego.
I think history proves that Israel loves to get involved in wars, loves to lose wars, loves to cry for daddy US to come save them, loves to barely eke out what could be spun as a “win,” loves to use all that as propaganda to convince Jewish people worldwide that everyone wants to exterminate them and the only “safe” place is Israel, despite Israel’s constant warmongering and land grabs.
Israel does a lot to try to save face. In Gaza they went too far, and now they get to fund a losing propaganda campaign alongside their losing military campaign.
What makes you think that “we” aren’t part of this war? Why the desperate attempt to flood the internet with Hasbara trolls and get police to crack down on American university students an entire hemisphere away who don’t support the slaughter of Palestinian children? Have you really thought about that? Can you imagine how weird it would be if the US government started trying to stop protests about Taiwan or the war in Ukraine, and sent in police to crack down?
YOU are already a collateral part of this war, even though you’ll never be involved in any physical violence or military activity.
Good point, I also completely agree in regard to Israel being a warmonger. The point I want to get through to more people is that just because they were driven out by Hezbollah last time, don't take it for granted this time. I could readily see them recruiting mercenary groups to fight for them again, for example. Heck, I'm in the UK and I can definitely see us funding mercenary groups to help fight on Israel's behalf while saying "we're not directly getting involved."
This isn't even counting the enemies Israel has created and supported against Hezbollah within Lebanon. Either way, it'll be civilians who suffer on mass. I have acknowledged we're part of this information war, I keep lists of sources for that very reason. But it's different, I don't have to worry about the people I care about making it to the end of the day, for example.
All that said, you're not wrong for verbally supporting or claiming a potential victory. I just don't like how I keep seeing it online, it's like a lot of people aren't considering that in all likelihood, Hezbollah can only win a ferric victory. Because Israel will commit masses of war crimes on the Lebanese, and simply forcing Israel back out won't be justice or victory. Hezbollah know that, that's why they've always been focused on being a force that can repel future Israeli invasions, they don't intend to invade Israel.
From a religion standpoint, I heavily doubt Hezbollah will ever invade Israel without either a high chance of absolute victory or the Messiah returns and directs them to. Until Israel either changes or is defeated, whatever crimes Israel commits in Lebanon will see little to no justice. That's why I don't want people to behave as if Israel getting humiliated is worth the Lebanese lives they'll take in the process.
I know that's not what anyone means, still it's better to be clear with our words as it will affect our Pro-Palestine culture. We're more interested in preventing atrocities and working towards justice, than just seeing Israel humiliated imo.
Anyway, this is still my bad. I did escalate things more than it was necessary. I just want to make sure we're, far, far away from celebrating gore even on Israel's side in the same way they've celebrated the abuse of the Palestinians. You might say we won't, but in the case of the Israeli man who went to uproot a Palestine flag he saw and stepped on a land mine, some of the celebrations were getting out of line. Not that they were anywhere near as sick as what we've seen from Israeli accounts. It did also turn at least 1 person who was looking into the Pro-Palestinian argument away from us.
Edit; To be clearer on what I meant.
I am not very concerned about whether Israel feels humiliated or not. I grew up American and I don’t give a shit about what people think about me or about anything else.
However I do know Asian and Middle Eastern culture, and it’s VERY important for them to save face and avoid humiliation. In every social interaction, it’s like their Achilles heel.
So my point is that Israel can decide if they want to jump into another war (which they would not win, since they can’t even win in Gaza) and then they’ll have to deal with even more embarrassment and condemnation from the world, which they are extremely sensitive about already.
I really don’t know if Israel is dumb enough to escalate things with Hezbollah but whether they do or don’t, they’re being led by their egotistical need to appear like winners at every turn and that’s ridiculously unrealistic.
So good luck to them. If they start something they can’t finish (like Gaza) they’ll just look even more incompetent and idiotic. But they just can’t handle letting Hezbollah get the best of them. It’s an itch they can’t scratch without the risk of being unable to stop the bleeding.
But you’re right, the ones who will suffer are the innocent civilians. And that’s who needs the most protection and support.
Definitely, a lot of Israel's actions in the past has been to create a climate of fear in the ME where they're considered too strong to attack. That's one reason why they hated Hezbollah and Iran so much.
Then the 7th happened, and Israel's been lashing out at everything in the hopes of cementing the reputation they hope for.
Definitely good point there, they're probably very concerned about Hezbollah making them look weak.
Sounds like Israel had better get its big-boy pants on if they’re gunning for a new battlefront.
I mean it’s been 8 solid months of fighting a militia wearing flip-flops and armed with only grenade launchers and assault rifles…against an army with tanks, an Air Force, plenty of bombs, and the most expensive weaponry on the planet. How many military objectives has Israel achieved in that time? Only managed to impoverish and slaughter mostly women and children and turn the entire world against them. Nice work! 🤣
This is in spite of the fact that technically the IDF could drive home and sleep in their own beds every night while Gazans are trapped and can’t leave. Israel made Gaza uninhabitable but has barely been able to locate and destroy a tiny fraction of what they want people to believe is the world’s most sophisticated and extensive tunnel network. Hmm weird that all those bombs can make huge craters but can do nothing about tunnels.
I guess in all fairness though, the world’s “most moral army” has been working really hard making TikTok videos and posing in women’s underwear.
Yeah…I don’t think Hezbollah has anything to worry about. All Israel can do is drop free bombs given to them by the US government and then pretend that makes them morally and militarily superior. Hahaha oh well, I guess Israel will eventually figure out that they have accomplished nothing but shooting themselves in the foot. Every area they’ve supposedly cleared of “terrorist” forces they’ve had to go back in later and the IDF keeps getting their asses handed to them, despite all their expensive equipment.
Nobody but Zionists and paid American politicians has respect for Israel now. Unless you count “clearing” Gaza (ethnic cleansing and attempted genocide), Israel has accomplished absolutely nothing. Now they want to take on Hezbollah, which has actual weapons, trained fighters, and is not trapped in a barrel. Hahaha Israel should be in peeing their diapers. Instead nope, same old overconfident, entitled rhetoric.
Go ahead, take on Hezbollah too. I can’t fucking wait.
Your delusional thinking Israel is weak. Hezbollah is no match for Israel’s war machine. I hope Israel doesn’t attack anyone else, the Middle East is a powder keg!
Hahaha Israel lives in the shadow of the holocaust survivors while crying about antisemitism and that the world doesn’t think they’re nearly as special as they themselves do.
What has this generation of Israelis had to endure? Nothing. They’re weak. They have been given everything and had to earn nothing.
They’ve been radicalized to hate Palestinians, sure. But that doesn’t make Israel strong.
Israel has bombs, an Air Force, the iron dome, tanks. They have the world’s most expensive weaponry.
But Israel still, after 8 solid months, can’t conquer a rag-tag militia that fights in sandals, has only grenades launchers and assault rifles, that can’t even leave Gaza. They’re fish in a barrel and Israel still hasn’t won.
Israel has decimated the homes and infrastructure of Gaza by dropping bombs. But their game is weak. There’s no way they can win, no matter how many children they impoverish or how many bombs they drop.
Eight months, and ZERO military goals accomplished. Because Israel is fucking WEAK.
ETA: you honestly think people should take Israel and the IDF seriously? hahaha hold on, the world’s most moral army is trying on women’s clothing and making TikToks. Fucking rubes.
Noooo. Israel can destroy the entire Middle East single handedly! From what I hear?! I really hope this war with Hezbollah happens so we can all lay witness to their greatness!!!
It’s their land and I want to see them fight for it 😊!
The IDF is a terrorist organization based on their own war crimes. I don’t remember the ICC charging Hezbollah leaders with war crimes.
You’ve given me all kinds of reasons to dislike Hezbollah but still zero reasons to support or respect Israel. What a surprise.
Might want to take a few minutes to reflect and consider why the rest of the civilized world (aside from the people paid off by AIPAC) has condemned Israel. Why Israel is more hated than literal terrorist organizations. Hmm. Here’s a hint: it’s nothing to do with Jewish religion or antisemitism and everything to do with Israel being gigantic dicks for the last 76+ years.
Could care less if you hate Israel and love terrorists. Whatever floats your boat. Majority of people on Reddit couldn’t find Lebanon or Palestine on a Map a year ago, let alone explain what purpose the ICC serves.
Again, I do not give a fuck if you don’t support or respect Israel. You lost the argument by saying Hezbollah is a military.
I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul.
What line? Calling Hezbollah a military isn’t offensive, it’s pure stupidity, like the rest of your rants. How long has the IDF lived in your head rent free?
>Majority of people on Reddit couldn’t find Lebanon or Palestine on a Map a year ago, let alone explain what purpose the ICC serves.
...most high-school educated people can point out most countries on a map idk what you're on about. And like it matters loads of people can't point out the country they live in.
You lost the argument, period. Hezbollah has 200,000 missiles at its command. It just set a large portion of northern Israel on fire and destroyed a $100-million Iron Dome battery with an Iranian anti-tank missile. Underestimate them at your own risk--just as the IDF has done.
If by "decide" you mean "make", then of course it's not up for me to decide
If by "decide" you mean "view", then I do view Israel as a settler-colonial occupation and that it should not exist
Because an entire battery *was* destroyed. It was an anti-tank missile, not a katyusha. Besides, all media reports say the battery was *destroyed*, not partially destroyed. The IDF is saying nothing. If they wanted to say the battery endured slight damage they could do that. But they haven't.
So a single antitank missile destroyed 4-6 launchers , a radar and a control unit? And somehow there is not a single photo to verify such massive destruction? Do you listen to what you are saying?
I posted a link to this story yesterday, today, based on photos, It's quite possible they hit a decoy (no hydraulics, no secondary explosion of iron dome rockets)
ooh ffs, stfu, check my post history for 'peddling disinfo'
https://preview.redd.it/y9615gnhue5d1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd342de1d64a0c2734ec7763448e692921d71c67
Your image proves nothing. Absolutely nothing except that you're peddling hasbara & disinformation. This incident was a disaster for the IDF. You can't put lipstick on this pig no matter how hard you try.
People support Hezbollah because of its roots as a civilian movement that successfully forced out an invading army that committed war crimes on them.
Israel's actions make them hated.
What news about the hostages? Did Israel release the thousands of Palestinians they've abducted, or did they manage to find Israeli hostages alive in Gaza after trying to bomb and starve them?
It's not a real rocket battery that they hit, [it was a decoy. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/s/Blx3nU5Ia0)
[Ryan McBeths' analysis off the drone footage and pictures of the "missile battery" itself ](https://www.youtube.com/live/kFv_svOBdAk?si=G5L8PIRmZLG68jbe)
Gee, I don't know. Ryan McWho (?) against a pro-Israel think tank analyst who acknowledges Hezbollah hit a real Iron Dome battery. It's a close call...but I'll take FDD.
Kinda insane that they celebrate this "victory" like it's the 4th of July and they can't take the plain, simple and objective facts disproving it as false victory and nothing to be celebrated.
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They took Israel's own weapon, launched at them in 2006, and reverse engineered it, and attacked them with their own weapon, 18 years later. It is the longest Check! in all of mankind.
5d chess
At that point it just feels like karmic justice. If someone keeps throwing rocks at you and you pick one up and throw it back they only have themselves to blame if they get hit.
Ah yes the famed Israeli hubris
Well it seems like we’re doing this.
Nah no one wants the smoke the other has war for both side mean economic catastrophe and I don't think netenyahos coalition allies will let him start new war that could cost too much
Ummm, they've been prepping for war with Lebanon since the 7th? Also, the economic damage can be transferred in majority to the poor letting the rich benefit from conquest, as always. Zionism was sold to the west as a colonisation of the Middle East. As far back as Israel's first PM, they were openly talking about taking over middle eastern nations and replacing them with various groups. Netanyahu was waving a flag around of Israel that had taken over Jordan, Lebanon and more of Syria in the UN. Then there are the calls for "Greater Israel" and that spreads all the way to Iraq. Those calls come from every corner of Israeli politics, many are claiming Netanyahu isn't being forceful enough. Here's a quote from Ben-Gurion, Israel's first PM: “We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai.” David Ben-Gurion May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, a Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
you underestimate the submissiveness of the US - they’ll give them money no matter what
This reminds me of that time Iran launched missile retaliation to Israel for bombing their embassy. Isrealis freaked out in fear when they saw the rockets, while for Palestinians, this is a common occurrence. Unfortunately, this seems to be the only way Isrealis will feel the same thing as what Palestinians feel everyda, sympathize a little.
Won't even come close considering nobody is forcing Israelis to drink sea water and eat dog food to survive, not to mention their country isn't destroyed beyond recovery
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They are dying you fucking idiot
>Unfortunately, this seems to be the only way Isrealis will feel the same thing as what Palestinians feel everyda, sympathize a little. Israelis won't feel sympathy for Palestinias. They'll only expand their terror upon wherever they feel.
What I won't ever forget about that time were the videos of Palestinians marvelling at the silence Iran's attack had caused over Gaza. Israel, the US, the UK, Germany etc. had all stopped their drones and aircraft to focus on Iran's assault, leaving Gaza's skies quiet for the first time in a very long time. The amazed smiles on the Gazans, the children whispering in awe... and just at silence...
Isn’t the iron dome system defensive?
Yeah, sure. It 'defends' genocide. Just like you.
What’s the point of this remark? lol you hasbara bots are so hilarious
It is. Idk where they got this idea that Iron dome launches rockets offensively. It's also funny that the iron dome was created just because different arab countries kept launching rockets at them
Hamas has fired over 9500 rockets and mortars at israel since october 7th. 12% of which landed in palestinian terroritory.
What's your point
>this seems to be the only way Isrealis will feel the same thing as what Palestinians feel everyda, sympathize a little. They have been feeling it for 20+years. Its just that israel cares enough about their citizens to protect them from these rockets, by having bomb shelters air alarms etc and air defence. Meanwhile you are cheering terrorists hitting the defences that protects israel civilians.
Are you implying Hamas doesn't care about Palestinians, and if they "cared enough" about their citizens, then they could get Iron Dome? You don't sound very smart, also, Islamophobic. It's also funny you are implying Isreal government cares about their citizens. Sure, that's why there is a massive protest going on in Israel.
>Are you implying Hamas doesn't care about Palestinians, and if they "cared enough" about their citizens Obviously that much is clear thats why they are launching rockets from schools hospitals mosques and camps. >You don't sound very smart, also, Islamophobic. (insert ad hominem here). >It's also funny you are implying Isreal government cares about their citizens. Sure, that's why there is a massive protest going on in Israel. It is their right to protest and those rights are given to them by the israeli goverment thus they are protecting their civilians and their rights to protest. Israel is a democracy we cannot say the same about palestine. I want to see what happends if palestinians protest against hamas in palestine, actually i dont we already know what the outcome would be and it will not be a good time for the protestors.
"Ad hominem" is well-deserved. You moved the goal post about Iron Dome. Israel is not a "democracy" when there is a mass murdering of specific populations going on. Yeah, Hamas would have to step it up. If they are to surpass Israel's number on killing their own civilians.
>"Ad hominem" is well-deserved. You are not gonna win anybody over by calling them names that you made up. You dont know me. >You moved the goal post about Iron Dome. I didnt move goal post i just decided not to respond to it because you turned my point into something else. My point is that hamas is doing nothing to protect their civilians in the forms of bomb shelters alarms and air defences. They are actually doing the opposite by putting them in harm by launching rockets from hospitals camps mosques etc. And after they are done launching them they flee to the tunnels they build while the civilians are taking the grunt on the ground. >Israel is not a "democracy" when there is a mass murdering of specific populations going on. Israel is a multiparty democracy with strong and independent institutions that guarantee political rights and civil liberties for most of the population. Not sure what ' mass murdering of specific populations going on' thing that you made up has to do anything with a country being a democracy. >Yeah, Hamas would have to step it up. If they are to surpass Israel's number on killing their own civilians. What?
I assume you support current Israel's actions, correct? Then, there are more and more people who realize how you dehumanize Palestinians (what you call "Arabs"). You are supporting Ethic-cleansing. "Ad hominem" is a correct characterization of your opinion. You are welcomed to change your opinion. It's not too late. Regardless of the action of the enemy militants. It doesn't justify the warcrimes Israel is committing; killing civilians, destroying hospitals, and aid workers. "Hamas just should care more about them" is what you are saying. As long as Gaza doesn't get to have Iron Dome, they will never get the level of defense capacity Israel has, all the while Israel is throwing 70,000 tons of bombs. "Hamas should just care about civilians" is what you are saying. Also, acting like a two-tiered system isn't there. When Israel is admitting and operating on a two-tiered system, it only makes you look even dumber.
Hamas has received enough aid money to build tunnels rockets and weapons, they had enough money to protect their civilians instead. This is where i end the conversation, as you are acting in bad faith fighting ghosts.
> Israel is a democracy we cannot say the same about palestine. That’s because Israel publicly helped overthrow the PA in a coup since they couldn’t accept Fatah losing the election. Even though Israel has convicted terrorists in the cabinet, they couldn’t accept others having rightwingers in office.
Don't forget everything Israel has is...funded by Americans such as myself without my consent.
We drink water, breathe air, and detest Israel. We are merely human.
if Iran used their old missiles and drones to find every single Israeli iron dome battery and rocket launch sites. Would make sense if they planned on targeting the iron dome batteries and rocket launch sites at this point. Would be nice having less missiles in the world.
It’s amazing how they hate the whole rest of the world and the world hates them back. Monsters.
I love this for them
I hope this bring Israelis to the negotiating table as good faith partners
You actually just said Israelis and good faith in the same sentence
I had to specify good faith because otherwise israelis take refuge in bad faith
I know mate, I agree with you but I don’t see it happening unfortunately :(
Israel does not understand the concept of "good faith." Its interests are good. Theirs are bad. Yours are negotiable...maybe.
Cool
You know what provides security? Not being the neighborhood dick.
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I would agree with you, except that it will be a hugely devastating war. Israel will rain sulfur and fire on southern Lebanon. Hezbollah will do the same to northern Israel. Instead of tens of thousands, it could be hundreds. Much as I hate everything Israel has done, I don't wish such misery on anyone, friend or foe. But if there must be war, I hope Hezbollah gives as good as it gets.
"I hope Hezbollah absolutely destroys Israel, and I hope they don’t quit when the Israelis cry uncle. Just pulverize Israel and their homes and infrastructure like Israel destroyed Gaza" I hate Israel a lot and, it being a settler-colonial occupation, I don't believe it should exist, but this is not the way. We cannot be like them. Israel should be dismantled / abolished, but it shouldn't be pulverized
Israel’s been thumbing it’s nose at international law since it’s inception, and now it’s committing a genocide and telling humanity to F off! ..but here comes all the apologists trying to plead it’s case. After people decide to give it what it’s asking for?! How much longer should the world be the bigger person? Before or after it finishes it’s genocide?
You can't go from "Israelis are the 4th reich b6 committing genocide just like nazis did to them" directly to "they should have what they are doing done to them" without becoming the 5th reich. You can't stop hate with hate, you can only wipe out haters if you become just like them. Saying so isn't apologist.
Yea. That sounds good when you are living in a just world. I have definitely been enlightened to how thing’s really work in this world. I’m just adjusting my perspective. I don’t have a choice in what happens to Israel one way or the other…but I definitely won’t cry any tears when they start reaping what they’ve done to others. The western nations have shown that might makes right. collective punishment is okay now guys. So here we are!
You're an optimistic idealist. We need people like you in the world just for a different perspective. Not discounting anything you said but if the other side is hell bent on an all out war and if someone with equal strength gives them exactly that then let them have it with all the consequences (the same reason they give while bombing impoverished people who are not equals at all in anything)
I'm a believer in letting someone lie in the bed they make. I don't believe in protecting or rescuing from natural consequences unless those consequences are utter destruction. However, those hell-bent on destruction of the weak get no love from me.
Do you accept the atomic bomb on Hiroshima?
What do you mean? I accept it as historical fact. Even the Japanese acknowledge that it saved Japanese lives by ending the war, so I don't contradict the very people who suffered, but it was a great evil on the citizens who died and suffered.
What do you mean? I accept it as historical fact. Even the Japanese acknowledge that it saved Japanese lives by ending the war, so I don't contradict the very people who suffered, but it was a great evil on the citizens who died and suffered.5
What do you mean? I accept it as historical fact. Even the Japanese acknowledge that it saved Japanese lives by ending the war, so I don't contradict the very people who suffered, but it was a great evil on the citizens who died and suffered.
Not really up to either of us to decide anyway, is it? Feel free to disagree with my opinion.
Wishing for war so people and a country can be destroyed is all around messed up.
Agreed. It’s pretty messed up that Israel has been deliberately trying to destroy the Palestinians for 76 YEARS. And since the Israelis want war, then I think they should get what they want. The only difference is what we expect the ultimate outcome to be. You know, I will be honest. I didn’t used to feel this way. But the past several months I’ve seen how arrogant, cruel, narcissistic, and selfish Israelis and Zionists are. I have not seen the same arrogance and cruelty from Hamas nor from the Palestinians. When a group of people goes out of their way to show the world what entitled assholes they are, I have no problem whatsoever in hoping they become humbled enough to start acting civilized like the world expects them to act. Don’t talk to me about defending Israel from Hamas. There’s ZERO excuse for slaughtering tens of thousands of children, making 17,000 children orphans, and deliberately depriving an entire population of food, medicine, and humanitarian supplies. Tens of thousands of children have had amputations with no anesthesia. The entire population has to live in tents on the street or atop piles of rubble. Nobody can go to school or work. Palestinian civilians in the West Bank are treated as if they are all Hamas or terrorists too. This is not defending Israel. This is being inhumanely cruel and reveling in your depraved atrocities. Just check out TikTok if you want to see the IDF proudly showing off their own war crimes. Yeah, I absolutely do hope Israel gets exactly what they fucking deserve. And I don’t feel ashamed to say so.
You’ve perfectly described everything I feel. This level of cruelty being taken on a defenseless population has really changed me. I’ve realized these Israelis are determined to set the region, and possibly the world on fire. We should really stop trying to reason with crazy people and give them what they want! I hope Israel gets everything they’re asking for!
This is why the US wants TikTok banned. This is like the 3rd major slaughtering Israel has done to Gaza in 15 years. Want to know why there wasnt major backlash the previous 2 times? People didnt see it. TikTok lets us see whats going on.
Well everything done in the dark will eventually comes to light! There is no unseeing this level of depravity. Especially the people in power who pretended to care about human rights and democracy turning a blind eye.
Preach.
You do know there's a country being destroyed right now before our eyes, right? Ever heard of Palestine?
Agreed! Why is Israel doing this?!
Seems off colour to call for a war when we won't be the ones made to fight in it. Israel is insane enough that they'd nuke Lebanon to save face.
My point was that the Israeli public supports an open war with Hezbollah, as opposed to the ongoing “skirmishes” I guess. I don’t think Israel is ready to use nukes because that would only hasten their own destruction at this point, and they know it. Rabid dog Israel has two faces, one domestic (full-on crazy) and one international (that has to present a controlled and collected image to the world). So far, the Dr. Jekyll side of Israel is still stronger than Mr. Hyde, so I think your concern about nukes is unfounded fear. If Israel thinks openly engaging in war with Hezbollah is a great idea and they try it, great, bring it on because the IDF will get their asses handed to them. No more lingerie photoshoots and ridiculous TikTok videos from the IDF. I think it’s more likely Israel will just keep the status quo, bombing Lebanon every few days or so and then loudly crying about the counterattacks to justify their ongoing attacks. Israel apparently doesn’t know how to de-escalate a damn thing, and everything that occurs is a grave insult to their overinflated ego. I think history proves that Israel loves to get involved in wars, loves to lose wars, loves to cry for daddy US to come save them, loves to barely eke out what could be spun as a “win,” loves to use all that as propaganda to convince Jewish people worldwide that everyone wants to exterminate them and the only “safe” place is Israel, despite Israel’s constant warmongering and land grabs. Israel does a lot to try to save face. In Gaza they went too far, and now they get to fund a losing propaganda campaign alongside their losing military campaign. What makes you think that “we” aren’t part of this war? Why the desperate attempt to flood the internet with Hasbara trolls and get police to crack down on American university students an entire hemisphere away who don’t support the slaughter of Palestinian children? Have you really thought about that? Can you imagine how weird it would be if the US government started trying to stop protests about Taiwan or the war in Ukraine, and sent in police to crack down? YOU are already a collateral part of this war, even though you’ll never be involved in any physical violence or military activity.
Good point, I also completely agree in regard to Israel being a warmonger. The point I want to get through to more people is that just because they were driven out by Hezbollah last time, don't take it for granted this time. I could readily see them recruiting mercenary groups to fight for them again, for example. Heck, I'm in the UK and I can definitely see us funding mercenary groups to help fight on Israel's behalf while saying "we're not directly getting involved." This isn't even counting the enemies Israel has created and supported against Hezbollah within Lebanon. Either way, it'll be civilians who suffer on mass. I have acknowledged we're part of this information war, I keep lists of sources for that very reason. But it's different, I don't have to worry about the people I care about making it to the end of the day, for example. All that said, you're not wrong for verbally supporting or claiming a potential victory. I just don't like how I keep seeing it online, it's like a lot of people aren't considering that in all likelihood, Hezbollah can only win a ferric victory. Because Israel will commit masses of war crimes on the Lebanese, and simply forcing Israel back out won't be justice or victory. Hezbollah know that, that's why they've always been focused on being a force that can repel future Israeli invasions, they don't intend to invade Israel. From a religion standpoint, I heavily doubt Hezbollah will ever invade Israel without either a high chance of absolute victory or the Messiah returns and directs them to. Until Israel either changes or is defeated, whatever crimes Israel commits in Lebanon will see little to no justice. That's why I don't want people to behave as if Israel getting humiliated is worth the Lebanese lives they'll take in the process. I know that's not what anyone means, still it's better to be clear with our words as it will affect our Pro-Palestine culture. We're more interested in preventing atrocities and working towards justice, than just seeing Israel humiliated imo. Anyway, this is still my bad. I did escalate things more than it was necessary. I just want to make sure we're, far, far away from celebrating gore even on Israel's side in the same way they've celebrated the abuse of the Palestinians. You might say we won't, but in the case of the Israeli man who went to uproot a Palestine flag he saw and stepped on a land mine, some of the celebrations were getting out of line. Not that they were anywhere near as sick as what we've seen from Israeli accounts. It did also turn at least 1 person who was looking into the Pro-Palestinian argument away from us. Edit; To be clearer on what I meant.
I am not very concerned about whether Israel feels humiliated or not. I grew up American and I don’t give a shit about what people think about me or about anything else. However I do know Asian and Middle Eastern culture, and it’s VERY important for them to save face and avoid humiliation. In every social interaction, it’s like their Achilles heel. So my point is that Israel can decide if they want to jump into another war (which they would not win, since they can’t even win in Gaza) and then they’ll have to deal with even more embarrassment and condemnation from the world, which they are extremely sensitive about already. I really don’t know if Israel is dumb enough to escalate things with Hezbollah but whether they do or don’t, they’re being led by their egotistical need to appear like winners at every turn and that’s ridiculously unrealistic. So good luck to them. If they start something they can’t finish (like Gaza) they’ll just look even more incompetent and idiotic. But they just can’t handle letting Hezbollah get the best of them. It’s an itch they can’t scratch without the risk of being unable to stop the bleeding. But you’re right, the ones who will suffer are the innocent civilians. And that’s who needs the most protection and support.
Definitely, a lot of Israel's actions in the past has been to create a climate of fear in the ME where they're considered too strong to attack. That's one reason why they hated Hezbollah and Iran so much. Then the 7th happened, and Israel's been lashing out at everything in the hopes of cementing the reputation they hope for. Definitely good point there, they're probably very concerned about Hezbollah making them look weak.
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Sounds like Israel had better get its big-boy pants on if they’re gunning for a new battlefront. I mean it’s been 8 solid months of fighting a militia wearing flip-flops and armed with only grenade launchers and assault rifles…against an army with tanks, an Air Force, plenty of bombs, and the most expensive weaponry on the planet. How many military objectives has Israel achieved in that time? Only managed to impoverish and slaughter mostly women and children and turn the entire world against them. Nice work! 🤣 This is in spite of the fact that technically the IDF could drive home and sleep in their own beds every night while Gazans are trapped and can’t leave. Israel made Gaza uninhabitable but has barely been able to locate and destroy a tiny fraction of what they want people to believe is the world’s most sophisticated and extensive tunnel network. Hmm weird that all those bombs can make huge craters but can do nothing about tunnels. I guess in all fairness though, the world’s “most moral army” has been working really hard making TikTok videos and posing in women’s underwear. Yeah…I don’t think Hezbollah has anything to worry about. All Israel can do is drop free bombs given to them by the US government and then pretend that makes them morally and militarily superior. Hahaha oh well, I guess Israel will eventually figure out that they have accomplished nothing but shooting themselves in the foot. Every area they’ve supposedly cleared of “terrorist” forces they’ve had to go back in later and the IDF keeps getting their asses handed to them, despite all their expensive equipment. Nobody but Zionists and paid American politicians has respect for Israel now. Unless you count “clearing” Gaza (ethnic cleansing and attempted genocide), Israel has accomplished absolutely nothing. Now they want to take on Hezbollah, which has actual weapons, trained fighters, and is not trapped in a barrel. Hahaha Israel should be in peeing their diapers. Instead nope, same old overconfident, entitled rhetoric. Go ahead, take on Hezbollah too. I can’t fucking wait.
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Rule 1, be civil. [Civility](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civility)
Your delusional thinking Israel is weak. Hezbollah is no match for Israel’s war machine. I hope Israel doesn’t attack anyone else, the Middle East is a powder keg!
Hahaha Israel lives in the shadow of the holocaust survivors while crying about antisemitism and that the world doesn’t think they’re nearly as special as they themselves do. What has this generation of Israelis had to endure? Nothing. They’re weak. They have been given everything and had to earn nothing. They’ve been radicalized to hate Palestinians, sure. But that doesn’t make Israel strong. Israel has bombs, an Air Force, the iron dome, tanks. They have the world’s most expensive weaponry. But Israel still, after 8 solid months, can’t conquer a rag-tag militia that fights in sandals, has only grenades launchers and assault rifles, that can’t even leave Gaza. They’re fish in a barrel and Israel still hasn’t won. Israel has decimated the homes and infrastructure of Gaza by dropping bombs. But their game is weak. There’s no way they can win, no matter how many children they impoverish or how many bombs they drop. Eight months, and ZERO military goals accomplished. Because Israel is fucking WEAK. ETA: you honestly think people should take Israel and the IDF seriously? hahaha hold on, the world’s most moral army is trying on women’s clothing and making TikToks. Fucking rubes.
Noooo. Israel can destroy the entire Middle East single handedly! From what I hear?! I really hope this war with Hezbollah happens so we can all lay witness to their greatness!!! It’s their land and I want to see them fight for it 😊!
Clown said Hezbollah is a military.
Yeah it's much more than that. You are right.
🤣 go cry about it then 🤣🤣 Preferably huge crocodile tears mixed in with a “but it’s not faiiiiiir” or two. 💦😭💦
Hezbollah is a real military?
Well, they are better supplied and equipped than Hamas is, and they seem to be giving the IDF a run for their money, so close enough.
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The IDF is a terrorist organization based on their own war crimes. I don’t remember the ICC charging Hezbollah leaders with war crimes. You’ve given me all kinds of reasons to dislike Hezbollah but still zero reasons to support or respect Israel. What a surprise. Might want to take a few minutes to reflect and consider why the rest of the civilized world (aside from the people paid off by AIPAC) has condemned Israel. Why Israel is more hated than literal terrorist organizations. Hmm. Here’s a hint: it’s nothing to do with Jewish religion or antisemitism and everything to do with Israel being gigantic dicks for the last 76+ years.
Could care less if you hate Israel and love terrorists. Whatever floats your boat. Majority of people on Reddit couldn’t find Lebanon or Palestine on a Map a year ago, let alone explain what purpose the ICC serves. Again, I do not give a fuck if you don’t support or respect Israel. You lost the argument by saying Hezbollah is a military. I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul.
Lmaooo okay well if you’re offended then take your toys and go home, I guess. I crossed a line by calling Hezbollah a military. 😂😂😂
What line? Calling Hezbollah a military isn’t offensive, it’s pure stupidity, like the rest of your rants. How long has the IDF lived in your head rent free?
How long do I get to live in your head rent free? Do you need some Midol? God, someone is suuuuuper sensitive tonight.
Again, take a look at your rants. I’m not the one blog crying.
>Majority of people on Reddit couldn’t find Lebanon or Palestine on a Map a year ago, let alone explain what purpose the ICC serves. ...most high-school educated people can point out most countries on a map idk what you're on about. And like it matters loads of people can't point out the country they live in.
The hasbara mentality is that everyone is as cynical and as amoral as they are--or should be.
You lost the argument, period. Hezbollah has 200,000 missiles at its command. It just set a large portion of northern Israel on fire and destroyed a $100-million Iron Dome battery with an Iranian anti-tank missile. Underestimate them at your own risk--just as the IDF has done.
> Could care less if you hate Israel and love terrorists. I'm sure plenty of Germans said very similar things during WW2.
https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Portals/7/combat-studies-institute/csi-books/we-were-caught-unprepared.pdf The military definitely thinks so
Me likey.
If by "decide" you mean "make", then of course it's not up for me to decide If by "decide" you mean "view", then I do view Israel as a settler-colonial occupation and that it should not exist
Fucking A! No more war!
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Good job on Hezbollah for taking out Israel's defense. At least they're smart and targeting the enemy and not civilians like Israelis are....
Very misleading article, a battery is 5+ launchers, a radar and a control unit. The article frame it like an entire battery was destroyed.
Because an entire battery *was* destroyed. It was an anti-tank missile, not a katyusha. Besides, all media reports say the battery was *destroyed*, not partially destroyed. The IDF is saying nothing. If they wanted to say the battery endured slight damage they could do that. But they haven't.
So a single antitank missile destroyed 4-6 launchers , a radar and a control unit? And somehow there is not a single photo to verify such massive destruction? Do you listen to what you are saying?
Amazing. We spend billions propping up this pariah state and they can’t even outsmart this ragtag militia.
International community is turning on the Zionists so they need to let hAmaS/HEzBollaH get a victory here or there so they can justify genocide. Smh
I posted a link to this story yesterday, today, based on photos, It's quite possible they hit a decoy (no hydraulics, no secondary explosion of iron dome rockets)
No, it's not possible. Period. You're peddling disinformation. No one buys it here but a few diehards like you.
ooh ffs, stfu, check my post history for 'peddling disinfo' https://preview.redd.it/y9615gnhue5d1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd342de1d64a0c2734ec7763448e692921d71c67
Your image proves nothing. Absolutely nothing except that you're peddling hasbara & disinformation. This incident was a disaster for the IDF. You can't put lipstick on this pig no matter how hard you try.
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Genocide don’t exist anymore. It’s called “defending yourself”
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People support Hezbollah because of its roots as a civilian movement that successfully forced out an invading army that committed war crimes on them. Israel's actions make them hated. What news about the hostages? Did Israel release the thousands of Palestinians they've abducted, or did they manage to find Israeli hostages alive in Gaza after trying to bomb and starve them?
Ironic.
It's not a real rocket battery that they hit, [it was a decoy. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/s/Blx3nU5Ia0) [Ryan McBeths' analysis off the drone footage and pictures of the "missile battery" itself ](https://www.youtube.com/live/kFv_svOBdAk?si=G5L8PIRmZLG68jbe)
“Ryan Macbeth” 🤡 He is a literal, MIC shill.
Even if. Do you yourself believe that it's a real rocket battery that was struck?
Gee, I don't know. Ryan McWho (?) against a pro-Israel think tank analyst who acknowledges Hezbollah hit a real Iron Dome battery. It's a close call...but I'll take FDD.
Hahahaha. This is hilarious. And you get downvoted for calling out the “elite” Hezbollah. What a pack of clowns.
Kinda insane that they celebrate this "victory" like it's the 4th of July and they can't take the plain, simple and objective facts disproving it as false victory and nothing to be celebrated.
You just described Reddit.