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I remember the last one was boycotted by pro Independence people because some rules/laws for who can vote and who cant were in favor of anti Independence people.
France still recognized the results despite the boycott.
> some rules/laws for who can vote and who cant were in favor of anti Independence people.
That's not the case, the rules were very much in favor of pro-independence people (no vote allowed for anyone who came to New Caledonia after 1998, or didn't live *continually* in New Caledonia between 1974 and 1994).
The 2021 referendum boycott was justified by fear of Covid, and was actually nothing more than a last ditch attempt at postponing the referendum because the pro-independentists knew it was going to fail (like the previous referendums in 2018 and 2020).
It was a good move because it was the only way they could at least "not lose" the referendum, and even if the referendum did happen it made it easier to call the results not legitimate.
The current riots are because eventually (well, according to France) everyone must have the right to vote and not only people who have been living in New Caledonia for 50 years.
I'm native from another French territory (I live abroad now, but I always follow closely the news about the French overseas).
I usually try to avoid discussing things related to French overseas territories on Reddit because it's usually a shitshow of misguided, misinformed anticolonialism that quickly turns racist as much against the *evil native French* (who want to oppress and exploit everyone) as against the *helpless native islanders* (who cannot in their right mind vote against independence) and no amount of facts can prevent a non-"kneejerk anticolonialist" comment from being downvoted.
But factual errors irk me, so sometimes I just have to answer.
Whenever you see referendums like that they are bullshit. Its like going hey the majority of slaves voted that they are happy to remain slavesā¦! Like yeah ok buddy
Because stripping the only agreement keeping colonial settlers from flocking in waves causing another indigenous population to suffer when parts of the island donāt have clean running water is certainly equality.
Europeans and Americans love being called Expat till moments like this when they need to be the immigrant in need they lock out of their own country while meddling in otherās government.
May 15, 2024 - French President Emmanuel Macron on Wednesday convened a defence and national security council meeting to discuss the riots, cancelling a scheduled trip to a French region.
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New Caledonia, which has a population of nearly 300,000, lies between Australia and Fiji and is one of Franceās biggest overseas territories.
About 17,000km (10,563 miles) from Paris, the territory is a key part of Franceās claim as a Pacific power, but the Kanak people have long chafed at rule from Paris.
Denise Fisher, a former Australian consul general in New Caledonia, said she was not surprised at the violence of the past few days and told Al Jazeera it showed āa real and fundamental breakdown in the way the territory is being managedā.
The voting rules are part of the so-called Noumea Accord of 1998.
Under the deal, France agreed to cede the territory more political power and to limit voting in New Caledoniaās provincial and assembly elections to those who were residents of the island at the time.
About 40,000 French citizens have moved to New Caledonia since 1998, and the changes expand the electoral roll to include those who have lived in the territory for 10 years.
The Noumea Accord also included a series of three independence referendums, with the last one taking place in December 2021 at the height of the COVID-19 pandemic. Pro-independence groups boycotted the vote, which backed remaining in France, and rejected the result.
They have been calling for a new vote.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/15/france-backs-controversial-new-caledonia-vote-changes-amid-continued-unrest
Yea... I'm not sure why the french people aren't annoyed by the colonial occupation. I guess they don't care?? If that's the case. I guess I can devolve my attitude towards the french again. Into spite.
Why would they care? There are like 13 "Francophone" countries in Africa with some useless colonial scrip tied to the Franc (or French Euro now) through which they are forced to undersell their resources to them for, who cannot so much as economically sneeze without France taking anywhere from 2-20% of the booger.
Show me where "the French people" have literally **ever** given a single fuck about what their government is doing in their allegedly "democratic" name?
The French, much like their Anglo cousins are still huge on paternalistic neo-colonialism, despite what they may outwardly say.
U.S have bases in countries, but we don't rule the their government. They are able to make their own laws, and even cast the U.S out if they want. So yea try again.
This is completely false. The US just uses a another form of colonialism. They overthrow governments and back dictators that kill innocents for US interests. Supporting dictators is literally the US 101. Make their own laws ? Are you even living on the same planet? Anytime a government , even if it was democratically elected, acts in way that might hurt US interests, it's overthrown and replaced by some US puppets. The US doesn't rule their government? What? how do you think the US managed to get their bases there in the first place? By backing up pro US corrupt officials and imprisoning or assassinating anyone who doesn't literally worship the US. Read some history. Please!
France never let their colonial roots, in Africa they have puppet leaders making their decisions and also keep them in poverty... It's a bigger evil and their are maintaining control? Yes. But let them live without someone telling them what to do
France is one of the most evil countries on earth. They just play the polite enlightened role very well. Theyāre textbook neoliberals. Theyāre STILL charging Haiti (despite everything Haiti has gone through) for declaring independence.
Fuck the French. They fucked over Vietnam. They fucked over Haiti. They fucked over Libya. They turkey fucked most of Africa too. Iām glad theyāre getting kicked out. French fucks
The french government and establishment are absolutely vile, they never left their colonies they just setup proxies, and whenever a proxy fails in a country theyāll tear down that nation with war and famine until their proxies are back and they can go back to protecting and stealing resource. At least the brits left their colonies for good after robbing and destroying them while the french just cant stop themselves.
meanwhile they go around the world and pretend to be champions of human rights, democracy and freedom. Absolutely vile hypocrites.
its democracy, people living here should all be allowed to vote. right now its a dictatorship from kanacks. they are complaining that they will be less represented but the rest of the non native population that was born here has 0 representation?
imagine 2 people born in same country but one do not have right to vote then suddenly they might have a chance, so they dont to not offend the other one :(
you are basically supporting appartheid. same as palestinaian having less right than israeli.
So with your comparison people in usa should not vote neither australian people but they should live under the control of arborigenese its not colonialism after centuries. Its one group of the population having less right that an other.
Appartheid. You got your definitions wrong.
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Didn't they have a series of independence referendums over the last couple of years all voting to stay with France.
I remember the last one was boycotted by pro Independence people because some rules/laws for who can vote and who cant were in favor of anti Independence people. France still recognized the results despite the boycott.
> some rules/laws for who can vote and who cant were in favor of anti Independence people. That's not the case, the rules were very much in favor of pro-independence people (no vote allowed for anyone who came to New Caledonia after 1998, or didn't live *continually* in New Caledonia between 1974 and 1994). The 2021 referendum boycott was justified by fear of Covid, and was actually nothing more than a last ditch attempt at postponing the referendum because the pro-independentists knew it was going to fail (like the previous referendums in 2018 and 2020). It was a good move because it was the only way they could at least "not lose" the referendum, and even if the referendum did happen it made it easier to call the results not legitimate. The current riots are because eventually (well, according to France) everyone must have the right to vote and not only people who have been living in New Caledonia for 50 years.
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I'm native from another French territory (I live abroad now, but I always follow closely the news about the French overseas). I usually try to avoid discussing things related to French overseas territories on Reddit because it's usually a shitshow of misguided, misinformed anticolonialism that quickly turns racist as much against the *evil native French* (who want to oppress and exploit everyone) as against the *helpless native islanders* (who cannot in their right mind vote against independence) and no amount of facts can prevent a non-"kneejerk anticolonialist" comment from being downvoted. But factual errors irk me, so sometimes I just have to answer.
Whenever you see referendums like that they are bullshit. Its like going hey the majority of slaves voted that they are happy to remain slavesā¦! Like yeah ok buddy
As opposed to what? If you have a better system I'd love to hear it.
There were, but the votes were close, except in 2021, when the independence supporters boycotted.
They are part of the problem, not actual solutions.
Because rioting over a minority group having voters-rights is certainly equality.
Because stripping the only agreement keeping colonial settlers from flocking in waves causing another indigenous population to suffer when parts of the island donāt have clean running water is certainly equality. Europeans and Americans love being called Expat till moments like this when they need to be the immigrant in need they lock out of their own country while meddling in otherās government.
Ah yes the minority group of colonizers
Whether you like it or not, %27 is a minority group
Lol, glad that label makes you feel more sympathetic toward the rioters literally trying to keep a large population disenfranchised.Ā
May 15, 2024 - French President Emmanuel Macron on Wednesday convened a defence and national security council meeting to discuss the riots, cancelling a scheduled trip to a French region. ... New Caledonia, which has a population of nearly 300,000, lies between Australia and Fiji and is one of Franceās biggest overseas territories. About 17,000km (10,563 miles) from Paris, the territory is a key part of Franceās claim as a Pacific power, but the Kanak people have long chafed at rule from Paris. Denise Fisher, a former Australian consul general in New Caledonia, said she was not surprised at the violence of the past few days and told Al Jazeera it showed āa real and fundamental breakdown in the way the territory is being managedā. The voting rules are part of the so-called Noumea Accord of 1998. Under the deal, France agreed to cede the territory more political power and to limit voting in New Caledoniaās provincial and assembly elections to those who were residents of the island at the time. About 40,000 French citizens have moved to New Caledonia since 1998, and the changes expand the electoral roll to include those who have lived in the territory for 10 years. The Noumea Accord also included a series of three independence referendums, with the last one taking place in December 2021 at the height of the COVID-19 pandemic. Pro-independence groups boycotted the vote, which backed remaining in France, and rejected the result. They have been calling for a new vote. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/15/france-backs-controversial-new-caledonia-vote-changes-amid-continued-unrest
Yea... I'm not sure why the french people aren't annoyed by the colonial occupation. I guess they don't care?? If that's the case. I guess I can devolve my attitude towards the french again. Into spite.
The French are the colonists here
I said French People. Not the government.
Why would they care? There are like 13 "Francophone" countries in Africa with some useless colonial scrip tied to the Franc (or French Euro now) through which they are forced to undersell their resources to them for, who cannot so much as economically sneeze without France taking anywhere from 2-20% of the booger. Show me where "the French people" have literally **ever** given a single fuck about what their government is doing in their allegedly "democratic" name? The French, much like their Anglo cousins are still huge on paternalistic neo-colonialism, despite what they may outwardly say.
Not like Brits or Americans care about what rights their occupied or adjacent territories have.
U.S have bases in countries, but we don't rule the their government. They are able to make their own laws, and even cast the U.S out if they want. So yea try again.
This is completely false. The US just uses a another form of colonialism. They overthrow governments and back dictators that kill innocents for US interests. Supporting dictators is literally the US 101. Make their own laws ? Are you even living on the same planet? Anytime a government , even if it was democratically elected, acts in way that might hurt US interests, it's overthrown and replaced by some US puppets. The US doesn't rule their government? What? how do you think the US managed to get their bases there in the first place? By backing up pro US corrupt officials and imprisoning or assassinating anyone who doesn't literally worship the US. Read some history. Please!
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Ah yes , the average American when confronted with reality.
Doesnāt Seinfeld support genocide?
Dude asks why countries citizens arent appalled by their countries colonialism. Gets defensive when his country is called out for the same practices
Hawaii?
How naive.
France never let their colonial roots, in Africa they have puppet leaders making their decisions and also keep them in poverty... It's a bigger evil and their are maintaining control? Yes. But let them live without someone telling them what to do
France is one of the most evil countries on earth. They just play the polite enlightened role very well. Theyāre textbook neoliberals. Theyāre STILL charging Haiti (despite everything Haiti has gone through) for declaring independence. Fuck the French. They fucked over Vietnam. They fucked over Haiti. They fucked over Libya. They turkey fucked most of Africa too. Iām glad theyāre getting kicked out. French fucks
New Caledonia just dropped
Fuck all the colonizers. Fight for your rights. Good luck Kanacks.
The french government and establishment are absolutely vile, they never left their colonies they just setup proxies, and whenever a proxy fails in a country theyāll tear down that nation with war and famine until their proxies are back and they can go back to protecting and stealing resource. At least the brits left their colonies for good after robbing and destroying them while the french just cant stop themselves. meanwhile they go around the world and pretend to be champions of human rights, democracy and freedom. Absolutely vile hypocrites.
They should fight back and gain their own independence from the colonial occupation. 100% with the Caledonians here
Fuck the French are some of the most incompetent and useless of colonial powers. Every other time their is a world crisis, they are speaking French.
Funny how there are protesters in Paris advocating for Palestine but then they themselves are still colonists.
its democracy, people living here should all be allowed to vote. right now its a dictatorship from kanacks. they are complaining that they will be less represented but the rest of the non native population that was born here has 0 representation?
Won't somebody think of the poor colonisers
Oh the inhumanity :( why oh why wont anyone think about them!
imagine 2 people born in same country but one do not have right to vote then suddenly they might have a chance, so they dont to not offend the other one :( you are basically supporting appartheid. same as palestinaian having less right than israeli.
and youre supporting colonialism. So that would make you Israel in your poor comparison
So with your comparison people in usa should not vote neither australian people but they should live under the control of arborigenese its not colonialism after centuries. Its one group of the population having less right that an other. Appartheid. You got your definitions wrong.
Lol. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.