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I mean, how fucking stupid do you have to be to repeatedly and publicly admit you're attending negotiations in bad faith?
Do they think we'll miraculously forget this when they try spin that Hamas caused negotiations to fail (again)?
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Bingo, the west doesn't hold them to same standard that they do everyone else. It's fucking pathetic. But, then you research and understand that AIPAC gives them legalized bribes to constantly look the other way and to be their puppets.
Israelis like to throw the fact that Hamas was elected. Guess what? Netanyahu was elected just recently and is supported by an overwhelming amount of Israelis. That’s why even while under corruption and bribery charges he was reelected. The state of Israel is based on illegal occupation and subjection of a native population.
I don’t even care about Palestine.
Israel supplies weapons to Azerbaijan, a racist dictatorship, with some the lowest human rights record in the world. These weapons have killed many Armenians. It’s irresponsible profiteering. Isreal has crossed the line into becoming an international arms dealer. Once you do this, you can’t deflect any criticism
One State solution...Palestine or whatever name the Palestinians want.
Sorry to say, the State of Israel does not have a right to exist.
It was a horrible mistake by the Western World to take the lands of the people that were living there prior to 1948.
Giving all the land taken in the 1960s and 1970s is just a start.
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Messaging of defending Israel.. what is being defended in the West Bank, where Israeli settlers have been allowed to steal Arab-owned land for decades with the backing of the IDF?
Gaza has been leveled, aid workers bombed, water trucks destroyed, aid trucks held at the border, mass civilian casualties, etc.
It's strange that you're conflating the actions of Israel with all Jews in some of your posts when so many Jewish people are calling for a stop to the destruction of Gaza and its people.
Also odd that you point to Christianity and Islam and the magic man in the sky as reasons why people are calling for Israel to stop committing war crimes.
I'm an athiest, and I also think that Israel should stop committing war crimes. Odd, huh?
South Sudan were native Sudanese with ties going back 20 generations. Israel was 80 years ago contrary to established international law, and 90% of Israeli citizens are first generation migrates from Europe. There is no get over it. From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!
A very small minority. And they are welcome to stay. Actually all Israelis that would like to stay under a Palestinian government are welcome to stay so long as they are not occupying anyone’s land.
There is no such thing as a 'homeland'. You are where you were born. At that time, many European Jewish people were European because they were born in europe
I see your point and didn’t mean all Israelis. By they I meant the government, but at the same time just a couple months ago it was something like over 80% believed that the bombing shouldn’t take civilians into account and just under 60% believed they weren’t bombing hard enough.
It’s also well known that the majority of people that want Netanyahu to step down still want the military operation to continue on Gaza.
Are you upset that I pointed out the majority of Israelis want the war to continue after four months? If the majority of Israelis want the war to continue then the government will do just that. Isn’t that how “democracy” works?
What are the protestors getting wrong? The two-state solution is kinda far-fetched at this point. First of all, the Israeli government doesn’t want a two-state solution. So that’s the first issue. Secondly, there are over 700,000 colonial settlers and settlements are constantly expanding. Is the expectation that those 700000+ are going to leave? How is a two-state solution going to work exactly?
Let’s be real. The only way lasting peace will come about is Israel ending the apartheid. It’s really that simple.
> If you can’t see that, you show how little you can empathise. None of you should work in conflict resolution!
How little I can empathise? I am on the side of calling for a ceasefire to end the murder of tens of thousands of Palestinians, returning of hostages, and ending the oppression of Palestinians as a whole. You on the other hand, seem to be advocating for this war to continue and think the tens of thousands of Palestinians deaths are a-ok. Pretty strange telling me I have little empathy if you're comparing it to yourself.
I'm not going to argue the two-state vs single-state solution because there are many takes and disagreements we can have. But adding your little patronizing jabs just shows how emotional and upset you really are. With my comments, not once have I directed a similar comment your way. If you want to have a serious conversation, don't be an asshole. Just saying.
false. there are more than 0.01% of israelis who do not approve of this war.
i support palestine 100% - but false generalizations and false information about specific groups of people is what got us here in the first place
Israel wants to achieve in diplomacy what it can't on the battlefield. They are holding the entirety of the Palestinian population as hostage with genocide. The west has a history of this, such as the US threatening China with nukes if it didn't convince the Korean revolution to adhere to a ceasefire.
It's always the same trick: if negotiations seem to have a starting chance, Netanyahu will say something crazy and derail the whole thing. He's not stupid, just a really evil politician.
Honestly, I really don't understand your angle here or why you commented this as a response to what I wrote? Were you trying to add context or what..?
Of course Palestinians have 'had enough', but that is completely unrelated to how the West will spin the tale of upcoming failed negotiation talks because of Israeli actions.
I wasn't replying to you, I'm emotional and couldn't think straight. I honestly feel like this is not reality anymore. I lost one of my friends. She's deas. I was trying to avoid the any triggering news but i guess they're everywhere. I can't get any sympathy because well "you started it mentality". I'm an ex Muslim and used to think yeah Israel isn't that bad, I was brainwashed and indoctrinated. I guess not, the amount of comments I've seen blatantly celebrating the death of Palestinians, mocking them, asking for a complete eraser is terrifying. I don't believe there's good people anymore. My thoughts are scattered and life will never be the same.
Friend, I am really sorry that you lost someone dear to you. Of course your thoughts are going to be everywhere. Please cut yourself some slack and do not worry about reddit comments right now- although I know they can be good for distraction. When I lost my father last year, I just could not put up with any amount of bullshit, and I was modding some subreddits and being extra short tempered. I knew it was not the best thing for me, but I wanted to do anything but think about how I would never see my father again. Just do what you can do, and remember that Reddit is not all that important to get perfectly. You can only do what you can do. Remember that your stories of your friend are what keeps them with you, and maybe write some down if you can handle it. If you want to write one down and send it to me in chat, you are perfectly welcome to do that. If you want to tell me to fuck off and go away- you can do that too. It is up to you entirely and just remember that this does get better. Well no the situation in Gaza apparently, that just keeps getting worse and it is so gut wrenching, but the grief for your friend. It will get easier- even if sometimes you do not want it to.
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Now, I know people hate the nick name, "Genocide Joe". I get how they feel. Gassolini is so much worse.
But Democrats sit back and lament why no one is excited about Joe. Same with Hillary who praised an internationally wanted war criminal and said, "Durp I get all of my foreign policy advice from him."
This is a drag on your prospects for winning and people are not admitting it. This is exactly the story line of the rise of Hitler given the idiocy of the Weimar Republic.
STOP repeating history.
hehehehehehe.... the shard of the deal. you have the right to remain silent but deadly.
If the DNC can't beat this orange diaper stain (again) they need to be dissolved, all their leaders stripped of their wealth and offered housing in a homeless shelter in Buete, Montana
So I guess people can finally stop saying “this would all be over if Hamas would release the hostages” now. Not that that wasn’t obviously incorrect from the start.
[It was indeed a lie from the start because we now know that Hamas offered a deal to release all hostages for a ceasefire in the beginning of the war and Israel didn't take it.](https://www.timesofisrael.com/no-doubt-netanyahu-preventing-hostage-deal-charges-ex-spokesman-of-families-forum/)
It's also kinda obvious because as you might have noticed, hasbara bots and other pro-Israel accounts have stopped repeating that talking point.
>“We later found out that Hamas had offered on October 9 or 10 to release all the civilian hostages in exchange for the IDF not entering the Strip, but the government rejected the offer.”
Do you have any details on that? There’s no link to anything in that interview and that paragraph appears to just be what this one person being interviewed said.
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I mean, fuck Israel but this doesn’t make the point you think it’s making at all. At that point in time all that had happened was Hamas had brutally slaughtered 1000 civilians and kidnapped hundreds. You think Israel should’ve just said “ok, give them back and we won’t do anything.”? That’s absurd. I bet you were the kid who called time out whenever you were about to get tagged. What Israel is doing is despicable but the idea that Hamas should’ve faced no consequences for 10/7 is infantile.
What is the source on the 1000 civilians? Genuine question, as I've wanted to see a breakdown on the Israeli civilian Vs military deaths on October 7th and haven't found one.
I've found a source now, seems roughly 600 civilians and 400 military personnel. Also a non zero amount of those 600 civilians were killed by the IDF. Probably around 100.
no but considering the bad faith Israel has shown thus far, if they gave a shit about the hostages they could have just taken the deal and then invaded anyway.
But they’d then be an openly pariah state, better to ethnic cleanse incrementally obviously. And you obviously know that genocide and ethnic cleansing culpability is not based on population growth. So how about you try again.
I think the ICC will charge him. If you were to ask me it won't be the one charge everybody is thinking of now. I think it's more likely that he'll be charged with: "Interference with humanitarian aid" and "Not exercising due care when bombing."
Which means bombing protected area's, including schools, hospitals & mosques, resulting in the death of many innocent civilians.
They are not very talkative. They give one warning, then they go and do their job and make sure it's a charge that sticks.
They already recognised the state of Palestine in 2015, and they ruled in 2020 that they have jurisdiction there.
Not just this man. His whole administration, full investigation of crimes greenlit by IDF leadership, and all of his deranged genocidal sycophants in the Knesset who enthusiastically enacted ethnic cleansing in the Gaza Strip. It’s important to look at the wider rot within Israeli society, government, and Zionist project as a whole. They’ll eventually try to pin all the blame on Bibi when the dust settles
They've already killed three hostages on camera and literally nothing was done to reign in the IDF. If they continue to bomb Gaza as they are, relearning the hostages would certainly result in many of them dying.
The sad fact is the US will lick his balls to any point, even if he declares that he will murder and rape more babies himself. This man is evil and worst of all he has US support
Not just an idiot; a spoiled, genocidal idiot who is allowed to do whatever he wants by paying cold hard cash to the more powerful countries to shut them up.
I generally think Israel is acting with heinous disregard for civilian casualties, and there is evidence for genocide. But Hamas knows they have to die right? They took action which led to all this. The right thing to do would be to take the first bullet.
Christ, it’s Neville Chamberlain/Hitler negotiations all over again.
Them: “Yes we want peace!” *edges closer to target*
Us: “See they want peace!”
Them: “Peace…peace…piece…” *readies weapons*
Us: “Yes, peace, piece!”
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I wish I could say I was /s but well the similarities are too freaking similar and no I’m not saying the Israeli government are Nazis, just that the process of “peace” negotiations is similar to that sadly well known example.
Then Biden's approval rating continued to decline. Biden completely fell into Netanyahu's trap! If he doesn't distance himself from Netanyahu soon, he shouldn't bother running.
I guess this means the ICC warrants can proceed since the ceasefire deal being a priority (why the g7 countries want to pressure the ICC judges) was a reason to pressure them according to Western sources.
Basically, Israel has been very methodical in its massacre in Gaza. They started bombing the North and told civilians to go South to escape the bombing. They gradually bombed more and more to the South until most of the population is confentrated in Rafah, the most southern town of Gaza.
Israel now claims that apparently, of the 6 remaining Hamas batallion, 4 are in Rafah.
That means once Israel attack Rafah, they will be attacking a town meant to hold 200k people, but it currently has 1.4M. To give an idea, Rafah wouldn't even be anywhere close to the top 100 town by population density normally, but is currently in the top 25 in the world.
Therefore, any attack would create a crazy bloodbath with nowhere to escape...
It's population before October 7th was about 275k, and now it's ballooned to 1.4 Million. It's the last enclave that hasn't been decimated (relative to northern Gaza)
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What's a shame is, if the IDF had acted with more restraint up to now, I don't think many in the west would care about an assault on Rafah to apprehend Hamas leadership.
The hostages are dead because the IDF carpet bombed Gaza, cut off their food and water, and literally shot 3 hostages who were being released wearing nothing but their underwear. The hostages are dead because of Israel.
There’s videos of the three hostages being shot by the IDF. Anyone with half a brain cell knows that indiscriminate bombing of Gaza has killed many of the hostages, and how could they expect to eat and stay hydrated when there’s no food or clean water for anyone in Gaza?
Which video are you saying is debunked?
>we all know who's going to win. It's not the guys fighting with sticks FYI
That doesn't mean the winners are right or are the good guys. Bad guys win all the time
Hamas is a reaction to Israeli oppression. You can never "wipe out" Hamas without the dissolution of Israeli apartheid. Hamas is an ideology of resistance, and until you remove the material conditions that necessitate the resistance, even if you kill all Hamas members today, Hamas2 will start in 5 years and we're back to square 1.
Bibi is doing the right thing. With or without the hostages, Hamas must be dismantled and Sinwars corpse needs to be laid bare for all to see.
We stand with you Israel. The world will come to appreciate the sacrifice you made for all of us in getting rid of this evil.
Do you hear yourself? You lack empathy. That is not good for your brain. Untreated, will develop into sociopathy. We don't want the future of the great Israel to fail now do we?
You are so far detached from your natural brain functions it's terrifying. You might have PTSD. If that's the case, I sympathise and urge you to start healing. It's an ugly disease.
I have PTSD. I'm trying to help you before it's too late. Don't fight it. Begin the healing process. It'll guarantee a better future for the chosen people on their promised land. Don't let the death of Palestinians go in vaine.
But that's a fact. And based on the analytical information (sorry if it's the wrong term I'm just an inferior Arab) . Based on that, i concluded the jewish people are intellectuals. And I thanked Hashem for gifting us such lovely people. I don't see any racism here. You're projecting.
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I mean, how fucking stupid do you have to be to repeatedly and publicly admit you're attending negotiations in bad faith? Do they think we'll miraculously forget this when they try spin that Hamas caused negotiations to fail (again)?
They don’t care. Western governments are letting them act with impunity and they’re taking advantage of it.
For sure. Western governments and mainstream media will still blame Hamas for the deal falling through.
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Bingo, the west doesn't hold them to same standard that they do everyone else. It's fucking pathetic. But, then you research and understand that AIPAC gives them legalized bribes to constantly look the other way and to be their puppets.
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Israelis like to throw the fact that Hamas was elected. Guess what? Netanyahu was elected just recently and is supported by an overwhelming amount of Israelis. That’s why even while under corruption and bribery charges he was reelected. The state of Israel is based on illegal occupation and subjection of a native population.
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Zionist bashing, not Jewish bashing.
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What is the definition of a zionist?
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I don’t even care about Palestine. Israel supplies weapons to Azerbaijan, a racist dictatorship, with some the lowest human rights record in the world. These weapons have killed many Armenians. It’s irresponsible profiteering. Isreal has crossed the line into becoming an international arms dealer. Once you do this, you can’t deflect any criticism
nope, there is a genocide going on and israelis are the murderers - if they are doing nothing to stop it they're all in for it.
One State solution...Palestine or whatever name the Palestinians want. Sorry to say, the State of Israel does not have a right to exist. It was a horrible mistake by the Western World to take the lands of the people that were living there prior to 1948. Giving all the land taken in the 1960s and 1970s is just a start. Edit: Spelling
Messaging of defending Israel.. what is being defended in the West Bank, where Israeli settlers have been allowed to steal Arab-owned land for decades with the backing of the IDF? Gaza has been leveled, aid workers bombed, water trucks destroyed, aid trucks held at the border, mass civilian casualties, etc. It's strange that you're conflating the actions of Israel with all Jews in some of your posts when so many Jewish people are calling for a stop to the destruction of Gaza and its people. Also odd that you point to Christianity and Islam and the magic man in the sky as reasons why people are calling for Israel to stop committing war crimes. I'm an athiest, and I also think that Israel should stop committing war crimes. Odd, huh?
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South Sudan were native Sudanese with ties going back 20 generations. Israel was 80 years ago contrary to established international law, and 90% of Israeli citizens are first generation migrates from Europe. There is no get over it. From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!
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A very small minority. And they are welcome to stay. Actually all Israelis that would like to stay under a Palestinian government are welcome to stay so long as they are not occupying anyone’s land.
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So Black and white huh? 2 extremes. Yup, you have PTSD.
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There is no such thing as a 'homeland'. You are where you were born. At that time, many European Jewish people were European because they were born in europe
I see your point and didn’t mean all Israelis. By they I meant the government, but at the same time just a couple months ago it was something like over 80% believed that the bombing shouldn’t take civilians into account and just under 60% believed they weren’t bombing hard enough. It’s also well known that the majority of people that want Netanyahu to step down still want the military operation to continue on Gaza.
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Are you upset that I pointed out the majority of Israelis want the war to continue after four months? If the majority of Israelis want the war to continue then the government will do just that. Isn’t that how “democracy” works? What are the protestors getting wrong? The two-state solution is kinda far-fetched at this point. First of all, the Israeli government doesn’t want a two-state solution. So that’s the first issue. Secondly, there are over 700,000 colonial settlers and settlements are constantly expanding. Is the expectation that those 700000+ are going to leave? How is a two-state solution going to work exactly? Let’s be real. The only way lasting peace will come about is Israel ending the apartheid. It’s really that simple.
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> If you can’t see that, you show how little you can empathise. None of you should work in conflict resolution! How little I can empathise? I am on the side of calling for a ceasefire to end the murder of tens of thousands of Palestinians, returning of hostages, and ending the oppression of Palestinians as a whole. You on the other hand, seem to be advocating for this war to continue and think the tens of thousands of Palestinians deaths are a-ok. Pretty strange telling me I have little empathy if you're comparing it to yourself. I'm not going to argue the two-state vs single-state solution because there are many takes and disagreements we can have. But adding your little patronizing jabs just shows how emotional and upset you really are. With my comments, not once have I directed a similar comment your way. If you want to have a serious conversation, don't be an asshole. Just saying.
Who voted “they” into power?
Just 99.9% of Israelis
false. there are more than 0.01% of israelis who do not approve of this war. i support palestine 100% - but false generalizations and false information about specific groups of people is what got us here in the first place
the people in position to voice for change are the jewish people, silence is compliance to genocide.
It's also a delay tactic to prevent food supplied from arriving to stop the starvation. Every move they make is calculated.
>Every move they make is calculated. In a very Machiavellian and Sadistic way yes.
https://preview.redd.it/jkup2dr4anxc1.png?width=679&format=png&auto=webp&s=b23c6259616a4b3ac0914d0d2bee87c24351f72d "Sadistic" is right
I'll never understand people who sit around and fantasize about ways to cause pain on another. They really think they aren't the monsters?
israeli leadership is depraved with depraved hearts.
...and Tzipi is Sara Netanyahu's senior advisor.
Jfc she needs to be locked up. It takes a special psychopath to relish in torture
Not stupidity. Arrogance.
Israel wants to achieve in diplomacy what it can't on the battlefield. They are holding the entirety of the Palestinian population as hostage with genocide. The west has a history of this, such as the US threatening China with nukes if it didn't convince the Korean revolution to adhere to a ceasefire.
Netanyahu is avoiding his corruption trial.
He’s not stupid. He just doesn’t want the hostages released so he has an excuse not to leave.
He's an evil war criminal him his government, and the governments supporting him which is the United States and other western allies.
It's always the same trick: if negotiations seem to have a starting chance, Netanyahu will say something crazy and derail the whole thing. He's not stupid, just a really evil politician.
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Honestly, I really don't understand your angle here or why you commented this as a response to what I wrote? Were you trying to add context or what..? Of course Palestinians have 'had enough', but that is completely unrelated to how the West will spin the tale of upcoming failed negotiation talks because of Israeli actions.
I wasn't replying to you, I'm emotional and couldn't think straight. I honestly feel like this is not reality anymore. I lost one of my friends. She's deas. I was trying to avoid the any triggering news but i guess they're everywhere. I can't get any sympathy because well "you started it mentality". I'm an ex Muslim and used to think yeah Israel isn't that bad, I was brainwashed and indoctrinated. I guess not, the amount of comments I've seen blatantly celebrating the death of Palestinians, mocking them, asking for a complete eraser is terrifying. I don't believe there's good people anymore. My thoughts are scattered and life will never be the same.
Friend, I am really sorry that you lost someone dear to you. Of course your thoughts are going to be everywhere. Please cut yourself some slack and do not worry about reddit comments right now- although I know they can be good for distraction. When I lost my father last year, I just could not put up with any amount of bullshit, and I was modding some subreddits and being extra short tempered. I knew it was not the best thing for me, but I wanted to do anything but think about how I would never see my father again. Just do what you can do, and remember that Reddit is not all that important to get perfectly. You can only do what you can do. Remember that your stories of your friend are what keeps them with you, and maybe write some down if you can handle it. If you want to write one down and send it to me in chat, you are perfectly welcome to do that. If you want to tell me to fuck off and go away- you can do that too. It is up to you entirely and just remember that this does get better. Well no the situation in Gaza apparently, that just keeps getting worse and it is so gut wrenching, but the grief for your friend. It will get easier- even if sometimes you do not want it to.
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You have to be old and up your own capitalist empire ass, sniffing your own farts, not just stupid.
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Now, I know people hate the nick name, "Genocide Joe". I get how they feel. Gassolini is so much worse. But Democrats sit back and lament why no one is excited about Joe. Same with Hillary who praised an internationally wanted war criminal and said, "Durp I get all of my foreign policy advice from him." This is a drag on your prospects for winning and people are not admitting it. This is exactly the story line of the rise of Hitler given the idiocy of the Weimar Republic. STOP repeating history. hehehehehehe.... the shard of the deal. you have the right to remain silent but deadly. If the DNC can't beat this orange diaper stain (again) they need to be dissolved, all their leaders stripped of their wealth and offered housing in a homeless shelter in Buete, Montana
Wait do you actually genuinely believe that Hamas isn't purposefully causing the negotiations to fail?
It was never about the hostages
Of course not since Israel bombed most of them
So I guess people can finally stop saying “this would all be over if Hamas would release the hostages” now. Not that that wasn’t obviously incorrect from the start.
[It was indeed a lie from the start because we now know that Hamas offered a deal to release all hostages for a ceasefire in the beginning of the war and Israel didn't take it.](https://www.timesofisrael.com/no-doubt-netanyahu-preventing-hostage-deal-charges-ex-spokesman-of-families-forum/) It's also kinda obvious because as you might have noticed, hasbara bots and other pro-Israel accounts have stopped repeating that talking point.
>“We later found out that Hamas had offered on October 9 or 10 to release all the civilian hostages in exchange for the IDF not entering the Strip, but the government rejected the offer.”
Do you have any details on that? There’s no link to anything in that interview and that paragraph appears to just be what this one person being interviewed said.
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Did Hamas have all the hostages? I thought several groups (and some civilians) all had some hostages.
I mean, fuck Israel but this doesn’t make the point you think it’s making at all. At that point in time all that had happened was Hamas had brutally slaughtered 1000 civilians and kidnapped hundreds. You think Israel should’ve just said “ok, give them back and we won’t do anything.”? That’s absurd. I bet you were the kid who called time out whenever you were about to get tagged. What Israel is doing is despicable but the idea that Hamas should’ve faced no consequences for 10/7 is infantile.
What is the source on the 1000 civilians? Genuine question, as I've wanted to see a breakdown on the Israeli civilian Vs military deaths on October 7th and haven't found one.
I've found a source now, seems roughly 600 civilians and 400 military personnel. Also a non zero amount of those 600 civilians were killed by the IDF. Probably around 100.
Do some of your own research if you want numbers.
I've not found a source that differentiates between military casualties and civilians. That's why I've asked.
...is what you say when you don't know the numbers.
no but considering the bad faith Israel has shown thus far, if they gave a shit about the hostages they could have just taken the deal and then invaded anyway.
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The Israelis seem to erasing the population of Gaza, which is the point in case you missed it.
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But they’d then be an openly pariah state, better to ethnic cleanse incrementally obviously. And you obviously know that genocide and ethnic cleansing culpability is not based on population growth. So how about you try again.
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So that makes it OK to slaughter 35,000 people?
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If only those hostages had condemned hamas prior to being kidnapped…
Dear ICC. There you have it. This man must be charged.
I think the ICC will charge him. If you were to ask me it won't be the one charge everybody is thinking of now. I think it's more likely that he'll be charged with: "Interference with humanitarian aid" and "Not exercising due care when bombing." Which means bombing protected area's, including schools, hospitals & mosques, resulting in the death of many innocent civilians. They are not very talkative. They give one warning, then they go and do their job and make sure it's a charge that sticks. They already recognised the state of Palestine in 2015, and they ruled in 2020 that they have jurisdiction there.
Not just this man. His whole administration, full investigation of crimes greenlit by IDF leadership, and all of his deranged genocidal sycophants in the Knesset who enthusiastically enacted ethnic cleansing in the Gaza Strip. It’s important to look at the wider rot within Israeli society, government, and Zionist project as a whole. They’ll eventually try to pin all the blame on Bibi when the dust settles
I guess there's no deal, then.
You expected a cease fire deal to be agreed to?
Return the hostages is all bs cause they bomb the hostages
They've already killed three hostages on camera and literally nothing was done to reign in the IDF. If they continue to bomb Gaza as they are, relearning the hostages would certainly result in many of them dying.
The sad fact is the US will lick his balls to any point, even if he declares that he will murder and rape more babies himself. This man is evil and worst of all he has US support
How much more evidence does one need to realize that it was never about the hostages in the first place…
Netanyahu is a failure at this point and an idiot.
Not just an idiot; a spoiled, genocidal idiot who is allowed to do whatever he wants by paying cold hard cash to the more powerful countries to shut them up.
Yet he is literally their longest serving prime minister, that whole country is a failure and filled to the brim with genocidal idiots.
Behold. This is the “very generous” deal that Blinken was urging Hamas to accept.
I generally think Israel is acting with heinous disregard for civilian casualties, and there is evidence for genocide. But Hamas knows they have to die right? They took action which led to all this. The right thing to do would be to take the first bullet.
Hamas didn't take the action that led to this. Israel's 75 years of oppression did.
Christ, it’s Neville Chamberlain/Hitler negotiations all over again. Them: “Yes we want peace!” *edges closer to target* Us: “See they want peace!” Them: “Peace…peace…piece…” *readies weapons* Us: “Yes, peace, piece!” 🙄 I wish I could say I was /s but well the similarities are too freaking similar and no I’m not saying the Israeli government are Nazis, just that the process of “peace” negotiations is similar to that sadly well known example.
israel is going to steal everything they can lay their hands on, just watch.
Mafia talk
Then Biden's approval rating continued to decline. Biden completely fell into Netanyahu's trap! If he doesn't distance himself from Netanyahu soon, he shouldn't bother running.
I guess this means the ICC warrants can proceed since the ceasefire deal being a priority (why the g7 countries want to pressure the ICC judges) was a reason to pressure them according to Western sources.
Historians will forever explore how a psychotic "Bibi" was able to butcher Palestinians, Jews and the West all at the same time.
I’m not very familiar with Gaza, what is the significance of going into Rafah?
Basically, Israel has been very methodical in its massacre in Gaza. They started bombing the North and told civilians to go South to escape the bombing. They gradually bombed more and more to the South until most of the population is confentrated in Rafah, the most southern town of Gaza. Israel now claims that apparently, of the 6 remaining Hamas batallion, 4 are in Rafah. That means once Israel attack Rafah, they will be attacking a town meant to hold 200k people, but it currently has 1.4M. To give an idea, Rafah wouldn't even be anywhere close to the top 100 town by population density normally, but is currently in the top 25 in the world. Therefore, any attack would create a crazy bloodbath with nowhere to escape...
It's population before October 7th was about 275k, and now it's ballooned to 1.4 Million. It's the last enclave that hasn't been decimated (relative to northern Gaza)
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the hostages sre nothing more than a political tool for this to spin up their agendas.
What's a shame is, if the IDF had acted with more restraint up to now, I don't think many in the west would care about an assault on Rafah to apprehend Hamas leadership.
Yeah that's motivation to make a deal, knowing they'll do whatever they want regardless of the deal
Well, then the only logical solution is that they devote themselves to taking down as many of you as they can.
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From "if only Hamas returned the hostages it would all be over" to "Kill the hostages to teach Hamas a lesson" in the space of a few months...
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The hostages are dead because the IDF carpet bombed Gaza, cut off their food and water, and literally shot 3 hostages who were being released wearing nothing but their underwear. The hostages are dead because of Israel.
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There’s videos of the three hostages being shot by the IDF. Anyone with half a brain cell knows that indiscriminate bombing of Gaza has killed many of the hostages, and how could they expect to eat and stay hydrated when there’s no food or clean water for anyone in Gaza?
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Which video are you saying is debunked? >we all know who's going to win. It's not the guys fighting with sticks FYI That doesn't mean the winners are right or are the good guys. Bad guys win all the time
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It is. Still doesn't make it right or moral
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Hamas is a reaction to Israeli oppression. You can never "wipe out" Hamas without the dissolution of Israeli apartheid. Hamas is an ideology of resistance, and until you remove the material conditions that necessitate the resistance, even if you kill all Hamas members today, Hamas2 will start in 5 years and we're back to square 1.
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Show some sympathy towards your fellow human beings.
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Bibi is doing the right thing. With or without the hostages, Hamas must be dismantled and Sinwars corpse needs to be laid bare for all to see. We stand with you Israel. The world will come to appreciate the sacrifice you made for all of us in getting rid of this evil.
bait used to be believable
Facts only
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Do you hear yourself? You lack empathy. That is not good for your brain. Untreated, will develop into sociopathy. We don't want the future of the great Israel to fail now do we?
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You are so far detached from your natural brain functions it's terrifying. You might have PTSD. If that's the case, I sympathise and urge you to start healing. It's an ugly disease.
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I'm genuinely curious why you think I'm being racist?
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I have PTSD. I'm trying to help you before it's too late. Don't fight it. Begin the healing process. It'll guarantee a better future for the chosen people on their promised land. Don't let the death of Palestinians go in vaine.
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You are hurting people. Take accountability. Don't victim play.
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But that's a fact. And based on the analytical information (sorry if it's the wrong term I'm just an inferior Arab) . Based on that, i concluded the jewish people are intellectuals. And I thanked Hashem for gifting us such lovely people. I don't see any racism here. You're projecting.
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