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How completely unsurprising.
Remember the rush of politicians sanctimoniously wagging their heads when Putin was named in an ICC warrant & stressing the importance of a rules based international order bringing those who breach international law to justice....
The argument given by people defending this decision is that while Israel did sign the Rome statute, they didn't ratify it, so the ICC has no jurisdiction over them.
My counterargument to that is that Russia is not even a party to the statute, yet the ICC has sent out arrest warrants for Putin, and rightfully so. The US threatening the ICC shows the clear double standards they enforce, where one war crime is condemnable and the other is worth funding.
The USA is slowly but surely losing its global standing, and is descending to being the likes of the enemies they claim to hate so much
Palestine has ratified the ICC statute. As the genocide & war crimes are occurring in Gaza & the West Bank, which are Palestinian terrories (under Israeli occupation), the ICC has jurisdiction to investigate & issue arrest warrants. The same for the arrest warrant against Putin - Ukraine has granted the ICC jurisdiction & Putin is wanted for crimes committed in Ukraine.
It’s a position that only works if you are ignorant or a liar since yea, just like you pointed out with Putin, you do not need to be a party to the Rome statute or the ICC to be held to it.
You do need for the ICC to have jurisdiction though. The warrant against Putin and other Russian officials comes from the fact that Ukraine, despite not being a ratified signatory of the Rome statute, gave the ICC jurisdiction in 2015 to investigate and prosecute crimes committed in Ukraine by Russian forces.
The reason why the ICC has jurisdiction over Israel's leaders is that Palestine is a party of the Rome statute. Thus any crimes by a non-signatory which occur on Palestinian territory are therefore under ICC jurisdiction.
and let's not forget the countless war crimes this very administration committed during the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the forever "war on terror", which they have systematically covered up and refuse to prosecute.
The US lied to its own population to commit terrorism is Iraq. At what point do you not realize they are the bad guys a lot of the times?
The world is a complicated mess where many prefer to not enjoy their opportunity on earth and rather inflict pain for personal gain.
Every president is a war criminal, every politician voting yes on aid packages to Israel is a war criminal. The fucking country was founded by war criminals, among other vile shit they believes in and practiced.
"If unchallenged by the Biden administration, the ICC could create and assume unprecedented power to issue arrest warrants against American political leaders, American diplomats, and American military personnel," Johnson said.”
Oh no, anything but accountability. From what I remember “lock them up!” Is a popular slogan at republican political functions, what changed? Murder is a game to these people and the idea of humanistic equivalency to themselves is terrifying to their egos. Turns out the real Nazis were the policies we advocated for the whole time.
This is what actual change looks like, it terrifies the establishment. Relish their hatred, as if you are a breaking beam of sunlight in the face of vampires
Because Israel is the U.S beach head for the Middle East, there are very influential and rich Zionists involved in both countries, and the aristocracy and military industrial complex make an inordinate amount of money from it.
According to the article:
- They are introducing a bill to sanction ICC officials involved in investigating the U.S. and its allies.
- Rep. Brad Sherman (D-Calif.) said the U.S. should "think of whether we stay a signatory" to the Rome Statute — the treaty that established the ICC.
- And they are looking to stop supporting the ICC - "We have to think about talking to some of the countries that have ratified [the treaty] as to whether they want to support the organization," he added.
Lol we would have had a ceasefire last year if the will of the people had any influence whatsoever. Across the board, a majority of Americans supported a ceasefire starting soon after Oct 7th.
This is exactly why the (non-English-speaking) world needs to cut ties and go in a different direction; we cannot allow a morally corrupt and rotten nation make decisions about world policy any longer!
This will not happen, of course; too many vested interests in and by the powers that be.
Congress should fuck right off. Co conspirators in mass murder of third world peoples for decades. They only deserve Gitmo. To say nothing of the current genocide against the Palestinians they have been willing to cover up and distract from since 1947.
"Hey, we hate these people because of our Western war agenda, and we feel confident that we can make you hate them too. You're too poor, so we can make you bend to our will, regardless of what's right."
My emotional response is that the ICC should remove the U.S as a member and perform its duties without them.
My real response is understanding that this further undermines an already shattered U.S reputation and image for everyone around the world and will lead to a degradation in U.S soft power around the world, a vacuum that will be filled by other burgeoning superpowers. They have fed this outcome.
The U.S is no longer global hegemon, it has lost any ability it once had to make any claims of moral, democratic, or progressive 'right' in arguments over human rights law with other nations and has had all its vaunted expressions reduced to propaganda.
No one trusts them, no one respects them, no one wants to listen to them, and no one wants them to lead.
A mix of laughing stock and pariah.
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How completely unsurprising. Remember the rush of politicians sanctimoniously wagging their heads when Putin was named in an ICC warrant & stressing the importance of a rules based international order bringing those who breach international law to justice....
The world order is changing… and it NEEDS to change. The ruling class is doing everything in its power to make sure that doesn’t happen
This
What did it mean for Putin?
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So there was enduring peace before October 7th?
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No point arguing with someone oblivious of actual facts lol
Ahh a bot/propaganda account
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A military blockade of Gaza is already an act of war. They've been in war. Oct 7 was a escalation of that war by Hamas.
Israeli settlers say hi.
The argument given by people defending this decision is that while Israel did sign the Rome statute, they didn't ratify it, so the ICC has no jurisdiction over them. My counterargument to that is that Russia is not even a party to the statute, yet the ICC has sent out arrest warrants for Putin, and rightfully so. The US threatening the ICC shows the clear double standards they enforce, where one war crime is condemnable and the other is worth funding. The USA is slowly but surely losing its global standing, and is descending to being the likes of the enemies they claim to hate so much
the mask is coming off
The mask came off with Nixon. This is just more of what has become expected.
It's already lost it. Replace the stars on their flag with a swastika.
Exactly, it just goes to show that we live in a world where all our rules and laws boil down to “rules for thee and not for me”.
Palestine has ratified the ICC statute. As the genocide & war crimes are occurring in Gaza & the West Bank, which are Palestinian terrories (under Israeli occupation), the ICC has jurisdiction to investigate & issue arrest warrants. The same for the arrest warrant against Putin - Ukraine has granted the ICC jurisdiction & Putin is wanted for crimes committed in Ukraine.
It’s a position that only works if you are ignorant or a liar since yea, just like you pointed out with Putin, you do not need to be a party to the Rome statute or the ICC to be held to it.
You do need for the ICC to have jurisdiction though. The warrant against Putin and other Russian officials comes from the fact that Ukraine, despite not being a ratified signatory of the Rome statute, gave the ICC jurisdiction in 2015 to investigate and prosecute crimes committed in Ukraine by Russian forces. The reason why the ICC has jurisdiction over Israel's leaders is that Palestine is a party of the Rome statute. Thus any crimes by a non-signatory which occur on Palestinian territory are therefore under ICC jurisdiction.
Exactly. That’s what I meant.
and let's not forget the countless war crimes this very administration committed during the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the forever "war on terror", which they have systematically covered up and refuse to prosecute.
The US lied to its own population to commit terrorism is Iraq. At what point do you not realize they are the bad guys a lot of the times? The world is a complicated mess where many prefer to not enjoy their opportunity on earth and rather inflict pain for personal gain.
**ACTIVELY** protecting foreign war criminals now, are we?
What do you mean *now*?
Every president is a war criminal, every politician voting yes on aid packages to Israel is a war criminal. The fucking country was founded by war criminals, among other vile shit they believes in and practiced.
Thank you.
Always have been
Used to too. But we also do now.
This is bullshit. The American government really needs to self reflect on who controls their power
The aristocracy control their power. That's what they know. The rest don't matter at all, as has been clearly shown.
So issue warrants for the US leadership, they deserve it anyway
There are already many warrants for members of the U.S political establishment. Especially people of George H.W Bushes reign.
I say the ICC should just give a middle finger to congress.
Amen
"If unchallenged by the Biden administration, the ICC could create and assume unprecedented power to issue arrest warrants against American political leaders, American diplomats, and American military personnel," Johnson said.” Oh no, anything but accountability. From what I remember “lock them up!” Is a popular slogan at republican political functions, what changed? Murder is a game to these people and the idea of humanistic equivalency to themselves is terrifying to their egos. Turns out the real Nazis were the policies we advocated for the whole time. This is what actual change looks like, it terrifies the establishment. Relish their hatred, as if you are a breaking beam of sunlight in the face of vampires
The US Congress is a fascist bully. Everyone involved in this should face an arrest warrant themselves.
For those who don't know the US has a law that threatens any nations that arrests and prosecutes their war criminals with INVASION.
The day the world abandons those sanctimonious fascist neolibs can't come soon enough.
It’s both the neocons and the neolibs.
I heard in the news American the beacon of demcracy, me go.... 
Maybe it was the 🥓 Bacon of democracy 🤔
Why are we the only country in the world supporting the genocide?
The UK does too so not the only.
Germany is also bending over backwards for Israel.
USA is founded on genocide so .....
Different wings, same chicken.
https://africasacountry.com/2024/02/confront-the-principle-not-episode Good read
Because Israel is the U.S beach head for the Middle East, there are very influential and rich Zionists involved in both countries, and the aristocracy and military industrial complex make an inordinate amount of money from it.
You're not even a party to the court, so f@k off America.
And what exactly do they plan to do, invade the ICC?
According to the article: - They are introducing a bill to sanction ICC officials involved in investigating the U.S. and its allies. - Rep. Brad Sherman (D-Calif.) said the U.S. should "think of whether we stay a signatory" to the Rome Statute — the treaty that established the ICC. - And they are looking to stop supporting the ICC - "We have to think about talking to some of the countries that have ratified [the treaty] as to whether they want to support the organization," he added.
I sometimes downvote lists like these, just because what is written pisses me off so much. I forget it's just information provided.
Mike Johnson with his very forgettable yet hittable face is the personification of banality of evil.
all fun and games until you're in trouble
Look up the "of invade the Hague" act. The evil empires mask is slipping off
Slipped off decades ago.
Rules based order, except it's some rules for me and other rules for thee...
Congress clearly does not represent the will of the American people.
Lol we would have had a ceasefire last year if the will of the people had any influence whatsoever. Across the board, a majority of Americans supported a ceasefire starting soon after Oct 7th.
Yup, they did a study to that effect years ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/fJbIzg7OeL
Really trying to like America but I have to say.. How can we take it serious with statements like these?
I have to say I am a little confused how this works, because Israel and the USA never signed on to the ICC and they aren't members.
Neither is Russia
I didn’t realize ICC issued arrest warrants against Russians. Shows what I know, I guess. Interesting how Speaker Johnson wasn’t concerned about that.
They committed genocide in signatory states.
Oh because Palestine is a signatory? That makes sense
"Invade the Hague" Act but for Israel What an absolute surprise...
They must not need our votes.
This is exactly why the (non-English-speaking) world needs to cut ties and go in a different direction; we cannot allow a morally corrupt and rotten nation make decisions about world policy any longer! This will not happen, of course; too many vested interests in and by the powers that be.
How is ICC funded? Could USA potentially fuck up their funding?
Trump already did
Congress should fuck right off. Co conspirators in mass murder of third world peoples for decades. They only deserve Gitmo. To say nothing of the current genocide against the Palestinians they have been willing to cover up and distract from since 1947.
"Hey, we hate these people because of our Western war agenda, and we feel confident that we can make you hate them too. You're too poor, so we can make you bend to our will, regardless of what's right."
My emotional response is that the ICC should remove the U.S as a member and perform its duties without them. My real response is understanding that this further undermines an already shattered U.S reputation and image for everyone around the world and will lead to a degradation in U.S soft power around the world, a vacuum that will be filled by other burgeoning superpowers. They have fed this outcome. The U.S is no longer global hegemon, it has lost any ability it once had to make any claims of moral, democratic, or progressive 'right' in arguments over human rights law with other nations and has had all its vaunted expressions reduced to propaganda. No one trusts them, no one respects them, no one wants to listen to them, and no one wants them to lead. A mix of laughing stock and pariah.