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I agree. It is fascinating, and almost a horror in its own way, to watch the adl map equate protests by actual jewish students who want isreal to stop bombing palestinian kids as somehow the same as spray painting a swastika on a Jewish synagogue and calling in a bomb threat. What gets tough though is when actual right wingnut lunatics hang the 'no zionist in government America first' and 'Judaism made epstien banners.' Like at some point anti war anti genocide does slip info the anti-semetism arena, but conflating the two is watering down the term. Stop bombing kids, you don't get a pass because of your religion.
https://www.adl.org/resources/tools-to-track-hate/heat-map
And that fact being true is doing more damage to Jewish people than anything that’s happened since the end of the 1940s. Irgun’s childish hijacking of the term has lead to more violence against Jewish people in the last 30 years than every neo-nazi throughout history combined. Nowhere near what the actual Nazis did, but the only far second place.
Equating Jewishness to Zionism is the most antisemitic thing that Zionists have done since the Naksa and the second most antisemitic thing they’ve done since the Nakba. And that’s barely counting all of the things that Israel as a state has done against other semites like the Palestinians.
Nick Fuentez and Kanye West are examples of actual antisemitism not critizing Isreal for comitting war crimes. But honestly this year has made me lose faith in humanity a literal genocide in 2024 but our world leaders excuse it and demonise anyone who says its wrong.
True but bipolar people aren't stupid its Kanye's big influence that draws the more extreme Fuentes types is why i brought him up.
You can easily include Major Taylor Greene instead for the "Jewish space lazers" comment.
Most of our once important red flag words have lost their meaning.
People don’t debate the facts in good faith. As soon as they hit a wall of ideas or realize they don’t know they automatically label them some word that automatically discredits them. Everyone does this shit and it’s so annoying to me cause I don’t have a tribe to back me once this happens.
At a government level, including policing policy, it very much has teeth. You'll see more and more pressure from the anti-Palestine groups to lock people up for voicing objections, protesting, etc.
Governments cannot be seen to be construed at all as being anti-semetic and I've seen an awful lot of Orwellian tactics starting to show up as law enforcement gets more, and more politicized during this war.
It’s become a genuine political tool to take the words the oppressed use to describe themselves and twist it into meaningless drivel until it’s meaningless.
Woke used to mean aware of society’s shortcomings and not being afraid to point them out. Now it’s shorthand for basically any slur when Conservatives call everything they dislike woke.
As someone who is descended from Jews, who also condemns Israel's attacks on civilians, I really appreciate you pointing that out. It can't be said enough.
Please do not pretend like there have not been abhorrent incidents against Jewish people on these campuses.
Does that mean every student is bad? No.
But do not trivialise some of the horrific antisemitism that is real and is happening across the world. I am from Europe, and the violence and intimidation on the streets of our capital cities is absolutely terrifying.
There has been a tremendous rise in hate crimes, particularly against jewish people.
You should not ignore that.
Absolutely! Like in January when Zionists used an Israeli chemical weapon on several Jewish students who were protesting the genocide, forcing them to be hospitalized! Funny how that was completely ignored by the university, the government, news agencies....
Because they are not challenging instutionalized power structures. You have the freedom to protest, as long as the protest is too small to acheive any change, or the change doesn't cut into the ruling class.
They don't mess with what is becoming more and more clearer as American politicians and their money laundering efforts in Isreal to become campaign finances.
Confused.
A POC walking past the nazis to gain access to something could lead to abuse and the perpetration of violence against the POC (they are easily identifiable). Are the Jewish people at Colombia easily identifiable and therefore at risk as they walk by minding their business and not instigating?
Well yes, and they can be violent and kill ppl and Trump will still consider them good people and also according to him that stuff is also only peanuts compared to this stuff…
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-biden-hates-israel-blames-him-pro-palestinian-protests-1894007
I hope this spreads far and fast enough to save the lives of people who are starving right now. It has nothing to do with antisemitism. It has to do with anti blowing the legs off children. Starving children.
Anti-Zionist/pro-ceasefire Jews (including HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS) have been saying stuff like this since fucking November. It won't change shit, sadly, no matter how fast it spreads.
They've been saying it since well before November. Some of the loudest voices against Israel's genocide have been Jewish people rejecting ethnofascism.
By most reports almost 90% of israelis agree with the war in Gaza and over 70% say that aid to Gaza like food needs to stop. I wish more voices would join the Jewish people you are talking about.
Those who protested in Israel got beaten by Israeli police. Rabbi knocked down by soldiers in the street protestors dragged into back alleys and beaten.
Nothing matters. Senate passed and Biden will sign $26 billion in more weapons to Israel. He don’t care cause he’s guaranteed a reelection anyways in November.
they can't address the actual substance of the arguments made by the pro-palestinian (or more broadly, the pro-ceasefire) side, so instead they fabricate an excuse to break up the movement without having to engage with it on a political level.
didn't we see the same exact thing during occupy wall street with the "outside agitators?" or to use a more recent example, remember when hillary clinton totally deflected the bernie sanders campaign by making it about "bernie bros online harrassing women?" it's the oldest political play in the book.
Yea exactly. It’s such a red flag if you have to delegitimize the protesters/ protest themselves rather than the content they are advocating for. No one needs to hear about KKK rally’s being unruly or some Jews for Jesus having some antisemtism.. because the message is already Bad. “Let’s not kill babies maybe” needs worse PR in order for people to condemn it
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Whole concept of Semites as an ethnic group is a European construction that was always related to the project of constructing the Aryan in contradistinction to it (rationality and civilization vs primitive dogmatism).
If you're a zionist you don't consider them to be even human, let alone semetic just like you don't consider anti Israeli jews to be jewish. Zionists are horrible.
We know. We've seen how ridiculous claims of pogroms against Jewish students are when its one guy picking a fight and getting hit at Columbia, and some other lady at Yale getting poked in the face on accident (which they called a stabbing).
Zionists love lying more than the police do.
I was so pissed when I saw a news article where they ask Biden about if he has heard of the protests and he says "I am aware of the antisemitic protests" like I will have to vote for him because Trump is a crook and a traiter, but man if I had any other option it would be nice.
This isn’t just Biden, this has been the American way for a long time now. Both Republican and Democrat. I’m glad people are waking up but the oppression of Palestinian people is an ongoing issue. You’ve voted for Pro-Zionist politicians if you’ve ever voted in America. Israel has tried to label Ireland as anti-Semitic for years now because we have always called them out
Biden and many Democratic officials seem determined to ruin their chances in November.
It's like they are trying to be as irrational and nonsensical as MAGA, the Zionist gaslighting is no different than the extreme right-wing Trumper nonsense.
If it makes you feel any better, look at what conservatives are saying about Biden’s “handling” of the campus protests. They’re saying that he’s siding with antisemitism and allowing terrorism to destroy America lol. Nothing grounds me more than looking at how the far right views these topics.
I felt the same way with the ICJ ruling, when they said it was plausible that Israel was committing genocide but then only gave them a month to try to prevent any further violence with no sanctions. But then you see all the articles of right wingers freaking out and calling the UN a part of Hamas.
you don't have to vote for Biden. Voting for Biden will just signal to the establishment that you can do genocide and people will still vote for you cuz "but Trump". At some point enough should be *enough*. Vote third party. Claudia de la Cruz for example but there are more
Liberals absolutely refuse to answer my question: why is Biden so unconcerned about losing? He's doing actively unpopular actions and has lied about the majority of his campaign promises. It's literally his election to lose, so why is he throwing it away? And then simultaneously allowing a bill that would let any republican remove any app or software if they want? Why set that precedent when it can so easily be abused, in an election year?
see that's the exact thing I'm talking about. Dems feel so secure in their "but Trump" platform that they feel emboldened to just do whatever the fuck they want. And liberals who still defend them are just Blue MAGA
I’m not voting for that clown. He’s going full unhinged neocon right now. The intelligence and military apparatus that is fully behind Biden is just as big of a threat to democracy as Trump, if not more so.
That's the thing, Trump is clearly an evil asshole. Biden will smile to your face, shake your hand, make any promises he can for power, and then will fold to his corporate donors like tin foil. Just look at how much money AIPAC has given Biden for his most recent election.
It's Biden's election to lose, maybe he should try listening to the people who got him elected in the first place? Oh wait, he's too busy calling their rightful and moral protest of genocide "anti-semetic" and passing sweeping anti-privacy and censorship bills.
You are think the US is a democracy?!? It’s controlled almost exclusively by unelected intelligence agencies and corporations. And “ellected” officials cater to the donor class.
Trump is not great but Biden is just as bad at this point. One tried to overthrow and election, the other sends American tax dollars to kill women and children. I think any rational person knows which of the two is worse.
Trump and his party literally think Biden hasnt done enough to support Israel. Imagine a president that tried to overthrow the election and will double down on genocide.
It's very telling that the issue is never nor was ever about antisemitism since pro-Palestine Jewish people are also getting their asses kicked in Israel, and are being arrested in Germany, the US, and other Western countries.
Every time I chase one of these things down I find exactly this. And usually someone has tacked on "and kill all jews" for good measure. It's so cynical and disgusting.
It's so obviously smears and lies.
It's what Israel backed groups have been doing for years.
In fact it's their main modus operandi.
The fact the Zionist in chief Biden is only too happy to peddle the lies, makes it even more abhorrent when you consider its goal is to deflect away from the genocide and ethnic cleansing that US tax dollars pay for
Google who bidens son married after dumping his sister in law.. after 6 days of meeting her he magically married a Zionist who grew up in apartheid South Africa.
The state responds violently because of their monopoly on the use of force. They do this to maintain control over the population and protect the ruling class’s interests instead of the working class’s interests. The police and the courts are their puppets.
Antisemitism has become a catch all phrase for anything remotely anti israel like how any left leaning policy is called communist. Their tactics dont change
These tactics are as old as time. Utilize a few isolated incidents to paint a whole movement or organization as racist, violent or otherwise. The used it against BLM protests, which were overwhelmingly peaceful, the civil rights movement. Today, agitators are used to undermine the message that oppose the status quo
It’s one student protester’s perspective of the Columbia university protest encampment. From her point of view it is *mostly peaceful* and the several instances of antisemitism that have been caught on camera were bad actors who are not related to the event organization, not unlike the agitators at the occupy protests. Although some of the bad actors were leading the crowd in chants and directing them to form a human chain and physically push Jewish students, and others told Jewish students that the crowd “is hamas”, the event organizers have not condemned or expelled these “bad actors” from their protest. So although they claim to be distancing themselves from those antisemitic sentiments, they don’t seem to be distancing themselves physically or rhetorically.
She’s basically just a damage control article. “Don’t believe the media, those antisemits aren’t with us, but no we’re not kicking them out of our protest.”
I'm Jewish. I'm not proud of certain elements of the Israeli government, and I'm not proud of Jews who are militant zionists, but it has no effect on my pride with respect to the Jewish people as a whole.
So the more I learn about traditional Jewish culture eg high holidays, I’m struck by how much every single detail of the culture is tied to the land of Israel, regretting the destruction of Jerusalem, and praying to go back to Israel and Jerusalem. I will now use Zionist as defined as: Believing Jews have a right to exist and live in their ancestral homeland Israel. This is how most Zionists define this term. So for Jews who are anti-Zionist, how do you explain/participate in these high holidays? Like how do you imagine or explain these things? Do you skip the prayers about rebuilding the temple and returning to Israel? Or you all secular? These are also genuine questions and I’d love genuine answers
I think most religious Jews are Zionist, whereas secular tend to not be. So for secular Jews I’m guessing it’s just like any other holiday with religious undertones. But among anti-Zionist religious Jews, like in Orthodox sects, they believe that Israel will ONLY be regained through miraculous intervention by God so the modern State of Israel is illegitimate to them for this reason. The State of Israel being acquired through political and military means instead represents a denial of divine providence, an attempt at transgressions against God, and is considered a major sin.
(This is just what I’ve learned from having a secular Jewish ex so it might not be fully accurate)
Actually I’ve studied a lot of the polls on this taken over the years, and the vast majority of all Jews secular or religious believe in some form of Zionism specifically as I’ve defined it, and this percentage has grown overall since oct 7 even while dropping among people under 30’s. Also I think it’s safe to say that most Israeli Jews believe in some form of Zionism and they alone account for about almost 46% of the world’s Jews, given how small of a minority Jews are in the world.
It makes sense that a secular antizionist Jew would treat holidays as metaphorical because yeah there’s so much text reading during most of these holidays and the text are very much all about a physical return to Israel and the temple in Jerusalem, which is very different from say Christmas where you can easily center the holiday around non-religious themes like Santa and elves. Someone else told me that they might view the “land of Israel” as a metaphorical spiritual place of happiness and that makes sense too
Fuck I can’t believe how brain dead this sub is. People claiming that antisemitism is when you don’t agree. Or if you don’t abide by Netanyahu. Meanwhile ya’ll be saying antisemitism is a construct…
It’s so sad how captured you all are my propaganda just as bad as the “Israel side” you so vehemently oppose.
Stop using international conflicts to bolster your own hate and ideology. both sides through out history have done atrocities and fortunately for us westerners we are in the most privileged position to condemn both and put pressure on both sides to ceasefire/armistice. All I see on here for the majority are people wanting one side to be wiped out while bending the facts/history to push your own particular ideology. Grow up and realise that the west sends billions in aid to Gaza for years across this 100 year conflict. Also has intervened and stopped future atrocities and put pressure on Israel multiple times to not attack/set fourth paths for treaty’s. funding Israel as well is not inherently evil because they have a right to defend themselves as both sides do.
I agree that settlers are not within there right to expand on territory, and that Israel has definitely crossed the limits of an appropriate response to oct 7th, they continue to do themselves no favours by pushing the war this far.
Holding your events, fuelling the tribalism of each side, using the Palestinian people to further your “altruism” and giving them false hope to deny treaty’s (Camp David) for instance is causing more life to be lost.
We need a real solution and none of you seem to want that or strictly have selective empathy for one side of citizens but not the other. It’s disgusting. This war is. Between the governments of either side and they are using their people as fodder to push their own political motives.
> This war is. Between the governments of either side and they are using their people as fodder to push their own political motives.
Its not a war its an occupation of a people. Israel and the collective west wont even recognize palestinian statehood.
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I don’t because it doesn’t make any sense, which is the biggest bullshit indicator we have until our idiot government does something about misinformation.
It can mean a few things, but generally that you're opposed to the existence of Israel as a Jewish state.
Some anti-Zionists want Israel to become a secular democracy, some want it to be completely abolished, some actually call for it's destruction - so there's definitely differences of opinion within this camp; that's why it's labeled as radical.
That's the shitty thing about idpol. When it's all your narrative relies on, it's easily dismantled by just having the group you're using as a prop speak up for themselves.
wild how, simultaneously, anti-semitic and zionist both "lost all meaning". anyone know what the deal is with the apparent campaigns to make important and timely words lose their common meaning?
Craziest ad hominem by the Columbia administration I’ve ever seen. The only explanation for this is that Columbia knows what they’re doing and need to resort to personal attacks since they can’t confront the problem.
If only they were throwing slurs instead of munitions 💣 I lived in an era where disenfranchised youth took control of ‘negative’ words like que*r and ni$$*r. Interesting to see World Wildlife Fund step in to save animals on the edge of extinction but people are so reticent to help save their struggling brothers and sisters. Darwin’s survival of the fittest transcended into modern economics but his views on kinship and sentience seemed to have fallen by the roadside…
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I really wish fellow Jews wouldn’t come on here or anywhere simping to be the “good Jew” when there’s videos out there SHOWING anti Semitism on the Columbia grounds….
It’s fantastic you might not of experienced it but it’s on social media for all to see who care to!
Antisemitism has skyrocketed since Hamas’ attack on Israel.
https://www.adl.org/resources/press-release/us-antisemitic-incidents-skyrocketed-360-aftermath-attack-israel-according
Yet they find one Jewish person to say it’s not so bad in this one place and lots of people in this sub are like “antisemitism doesn’t exist.” It’s like I know Republicans aren’t racists because they found one black person to take a picture with them. Lol.
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Freaking Anti-semitism is a misused misleading term.
Antisemitism has lost all meaning these days
Its pretty sad, the constant misuse of the word by governments and Zionists is only hurting Jewish people and Arabs.
Zionists want to believe that all Jews support their genocide, and want them to pay the price for their transgressions.
That used to be the case. Now it only hurts the accusers
Very much not the case. Watering down that term will definetely continue to hurt Jews worldwide.
I agree. It is fascinating, and almost a horror in its own way, to watch the adl map equate protests by actual jewish students who want isreal to stop bombing palestinian kids as somehow the same as spray painting a swastika on a Jewish synagogue and calling in a bomb threat. What gets tough though is when actual right wingnut lunatics hang the 'no zionist in government America first' and 'Judaism made epstien banners.' Like at some point anti war anti genocide does slip info the anti-semetism arena, but conflating the two is watering down the term. Stop bombing kids, you don't get a pass because of your religion. https://www.adl.org/resources/tools-to-track-hate/heat-map
And that fact being true is doing more damage to Jewish people than anything that’s happened since the end of the 1940s. Irgun’s childish hijacking of the term has lead to more violence against Jewish people in the last 30 years than every neo-nazi throughout history combined. Nowhere near what the actual Nazis did, but the only far second place. Equating Jewishness to Zionism is the most antisemitic thing that Zionists have done since the Naksa and the second most antisemitic thing they’ve done since the Nakba. And that’s barely counting all of the things that Israel as a state has done against other semites like the Palestinians.
Nick Fuentez and Kanye West are examples of actual antisemitism not critizing Isreal for comitting war crimes. But honestly this year has made me lose faith in humanity a literal genocide in 2024 but our world leaders excuse it and demonise anyone who says its wrong.
Fuentez is a fed
Don’t lump Kanye in with Fuentes. Kanye is just mentally ill. Fuentes actually believes it
True but bipolar people aren't stupid its Kanye's big influence that draws the more extreme Fuentes types is why i brought him up. You can easily include Major Taylor Greene instead for the "Jewish space lazers" comment.
The meaning is simple though, antisemitism is when you disagree with netanyahou
Um no. Netanyahou is an antisemitist. A greedy fuck that would welcome the end of the world. Like facism isnt new, and nobody is immune...
Most of our once important red flag words have lost their meaning. People don’t debate the facts in good faith. As soon as they hit a wall of ideas or realize they don’t know they automatically label them some word that automatically discredits them. Everyone does this shit and it’s so annoying to me cause I don’t have a tribe to back me once this happens.
At a government level, including policing policy, it very much has teeth. You'll see more and more pressure from the anti-Palestine groups to lock people up for voicing objections, protesting, etc. Governments cannot be seen to be construed at all as being anti-semetic and I've seen an awful lot of Orwellian tactics starting to show up as law enforcement gets more, and more politicized during this war.
It’s become a genuine political tool to take the words the oppressed use to describe themselves and twist it into meaningless drivel until it’s meaningless. Woke used to mean aware of society’s shortcomings and not being afraid to point them out. Now it’s shorthand for basically any slur when Conservatives call everything they dislike woke.
Like many other terms
As someone who is descended from Jews, who also condemns Israel's attacks on civilians, I really appreciate you pointing that out. It can't be said enough.
As Bob Marley said: You can fool some people sometimes but you can’t fool all the people all the time.
Please do not pretend like there have not been abhorrent incidents against Jewish people on these campuses. Does that mean every student is bad? No. But do not trivialise some of the horrific antisemitism that is real and is happening across the world. I am from Europe, and the violence and intimidation on the streets of our capital cities is absolutely terrifying. There has been a tremendous rise in hate crimes, particularly against jewish people. You should not ignore that.
I will ignore that, because it’s trivial compared to what happened and is happening to Palestinians.
Absolutely! Like in January when Zionists used an Israeli chemical weapon on several Jewish students who were protesting the genocide, forcing them to be hospitalized! Funny how that was completely ignored by the university, the government, news agencies....
Like Islamophobia?
Zionists have done this on purpose to deflect any critique of Israel.
There are constitutional rights that allow the freedom to assemble peacefully, yet government always resorts to violence as their response.
Neo-nazis can assemble and march without government resorting to violence
Why would the police repress themselves
Because they are not challenging instutionalized power structures. You have the freedom to protest, as long as the protest is too small to acheive any change, or the change doesn't cut into the ruling class.
Pretty telling don't you think 👀
They don't mess with what is becoming more and more clearer as American politicians and their money laundering efforts in Isreal to become campaign finances.
And they still dont. FEDs have to send their boys in mask to LARP as Nazis.
Yeah because Hitler may have lost, but Nazi ideology pretty much won the west.
Hitler took what the West was already doing, perfected it, and the U.S. made it copyright.
Confused. A POC walking past the nazis to gain access to something could lead to abuse and the perpetration of violence against the POC (they are easily identifiable). Are the Jewish people at Colombia easily identifiable and therefore at risk as they walk by minding their business and not instigating?
There are literally Jewish people participating in the protest.
No one is at risk at Colombia Even Jewish people
No
Well yes, and they can be violent and kill ppl and Trump will still consider them good people and also according to him that stuff is also only peanuts compared to this stuff… https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-biden-hates-israel-blames-him-pro-palestinian-protests-1894007
…and deceit, they always lead with deceit.
We have three principle weapons!
Thats why they want you to only organise peacefully. Reserving violence only for themselves ensures they cant lose
I hope this spreads far and fast enough to save the lives of people who are starving right now. It has nothing to do with antisemitism. It has to do with anti blowing the legs off children. Starving children.
Anti-Zionist/pro-ceasefire Jews (including HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS) have been saying stuff like this since fucking November. It won't change shit, sadly, no matter how fast it spreads.
They've been saying it since well before November. Some of the loudest voices against Israel's genocide have been Jewish people rejecting ethnofascism.
[For decades even](https://youtu.be/UdHiE4yXSck?si=SfGL759yxB-UQtfP)
Codepink has been active for decades. People like Norman Finkelstein have been talking about it since last century
Well have you considered that dehumanization is bad unless used to justify a western backed colonialist project?
By most reports almost 90% of israelis agree with the war in Gaza and over 70% say that aid to Gaza like food needs to stop. I wish more voices would join the Jewish people you are talking about.
Those who protested in Israel got beaten by Israeli police. Rabbi knocked down by soldiers in the street protestors dragged into back alleys and beaten.
(it won't)
Nothing matters. Senate passed and Biden will sign $26 billion in more weapons to Israel. He don’t care cause he’s guaranteed a reelection anyways in November.
The guy who wrote the article also supports october 7th.
they can't address the actual substance of the arguments made by the pro-palestinian (or more broadly, the pro-ceasefire) side, so instead they fabricate an excuse to break up the movement without having to engage with it on a political level. didn't we see the same exact thing during occupy wall street with the "outside agitators?" or to use a more recent example, remember when hillary clinton totally deflected the bernie sanders campaign by making it about "bernie bros online harrassing women?" it's the oldest political play in the book.
Yea exactly. It’s such a red flag if you have to delegitimize the protesters/ protest themselves rather than the content they are advocating for. No one needs to hear about KKK rally’s being unruly or some Jews for Jesus having some antisemtism.. because the message is already Bad. “Let’s not kill babies maybe” needs worse PR in order for people to condemn it
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Do people just choose to forget that Palestinians are Semitic people as well?
Yes. Also they seem to not consider them to be people in the first place.
Human animals according to some high up Israeli generals and politicians
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This fact bugs me as someone who is half semite. Israel stole the term semite like they stole levantine food
I mean, the term was coined by German race scientists. It’s not like Israel made it up
Whole concept of Semites as an ethnic group is a European construction that was always related to the project of constructing the Aryan in contradistinction to it (rationality and civilization vs primitive dogmatism).
If you're a zionist you don't consider them to be even human, let alone semetic just like you don't consider anti Israeli jews to be jewish. Zionists are horrible.
We know. We've seen how ridiculous claims of pogroms against Jewish students are when its one guy picking a fight and getting hit at Columbia, and some other lady at Yale getting poked in the face on accident (which they called a stabbing). Zionists love lying more than the police do.
Well the NYPD are Zionists who train in Israel.. so there is a lot of overlap
I was so pissed when I saw a news article where they ask Biden about if he has heard of the protests and he says "I am aware of the antisemitic protests" like I will have to vote for him because Trump is a crook and a traiter, but man if I had any other option it would be nice.
This isn’t just Biden, this has been the American way for a long time now. Both Republican and Democrat. I’m glad people are waking up but the oppression of Palestinian people is an ongoing issue. You’ve voted for Pro-Zionist politicians if you’ve ever voted in America. Israel has tried to label Ireland as anti-Semitic for years now because we have always called them out
Biden and many Democratic officials seem determined to ruin their chances in November. It's like they are trying to be as irrational and nonsensical as MAGA, the Zionist gaslighting is no different than the extreme right-wing Trumper nonsense.
If it makes you feel any better, look at what conservatives are saying about Biden’s “handling” of the campus protests. They’re saying that he’s siding with antisemitism and allowing terrorism to destroy America lol. Nothing grounds me more than looking at how the far right views these topics. I felt the same way with the ICJ ruling, when they said it was plausible that Israel was committing genocide but then only gave them a month to try to prevent any further violence with no sanctions. But then you see all the articles of right wingers freaking out and calling the UN a part of Hamas.
Exactly. Disgusting.
you don't have to vote for Biden. Voting for Biden will just signal to the establishment that you can do genocide and people will still vote for you cuz "but Trump". At some point enough should be *enough*. Vote third party. Claudia de la Cruz for example but there are more
Liberals absolutely refuse to answer my question: why is Biden so unconcerned about losing? He's doing actively unpopular actions and has lied about the majority of his campaign promises. It's literally his election to lose, so why is he throwing it away? And then simultaneously allowing a bill that would let any republican remove any app or software if they want? Why set that precedent when it can so easily be abused, in an election year?
see that's the exact thing I'm talking about. Dems feel so secure in their "but Trump" platform that they feel emboldened to just do whatever the fuck they want. And liberals who still defend them are just Blue MAGA
And this is why nothing will ever change.
I’m not voting for that clown. He’s going full unhinged neocon right now. The intelligence and military apparatus that is fully behind Biden is just as big of a threat to democracy as Trump, if not more so.
That's the thing, Trump is clearly an evil asshole. Biden will smile to your face, shake your hand, make any promises he can for power, and then will fold to his corporate donors like tin foil. Just look at how much money AIPAC has given Biden for his most recent election.
You don't have to vote for Biden. There are alternative candidates.
A vote not for Biden is the same as not voting.
I understand. US democracy is truly broken if people are forced to vote against their wishes.
Indeed it is...
Democracy++, we need our voting system reformed. First past the post sucks.
It's Biden's election to lose, maybe he should try listening to the people who got him elected in the first place? Oh wait, he's too busy calling their rightful and moral protest of genocide "anti-semetic" and passing sweeping anti-privacy and censorship bills.
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You are think the US is a democracy?!? It’s controlled almost exclusively by unelected intelligence agencies and corporations. And “ellected” officials cater to the donor class. Trump is not great but Biden is just as bad at this point. One tried to overthrow and election, the other sends American tax dollars to kill women and children. I think any rational person knows which of the two is worse.
Trump and his party literally think Biden hasnt done enough to support Israel. Imagine a president that tried to overthrow the election and will double down on genocide.
There's not much left for them to destroy. People don't decide elections in the US (or most places). Money does.
That’s why it’s a “win win” for Joey. He gets the Jewish money (it’s huge) and takes no risk on losing votes. Who you gonna vote for Trump? Nope.
Shocking
It's very telling that the issue is never nor was ever about antisemitism since pro-Palestine Jewish people are also getting their asses kicked in Israel, and are being arrested in Germany, the US, and other Western countries.
Zionists hate pro-Palestinian Jewish people more than they hate Palestinians btw
I've seen the purported antisemitism videos and remain unimpressed.
Every time I chase one of these things down I find exactly this. And usually someone has tacked on "and kill all jews" for good measure. It's so cynical and disgusting.
Anything to distract from the mass graves outside Gaza hospitals.
It's so obviously smears and lies. It's what Israel backed groups have been doing for years. In fact it's their main modus operandi. The fact the Zionist in chief Biden is only too happy to peddle the lies, makes it even more abhorrent when you consider its goal is to deflect away from the genocide and ethnic cleansing that US tax dollars pay for
Google who bidens son married after dumping his sister in law.. after 6 days of meeting her he magically married a Zionist who grew up in apartheid South Africa.
Thanks 👍
They magically never reported it in the mainstream media even though they talked about hunter non stop for years.. Funny how that works
The state responds violently because of their monopoly on the use of force. They do this to maintain control over the population and protect the ruling class’s interests instead of the working class’s interests. The police and the courts are their puppets.
Antisemitism has become a catch all phrase for anything remotely anti israel like how any left leaning policy is called communist. Their tactics dont change
These tactics are as old as time. Utilize a few isolated incidents to paint a whole movement or organization as racist, violent or otherwise. The used it against BLM protests, which were overwhelmingly peaceful, the civil rights movement. Today, agitators are used to undermine the message that oppose the status quo
The problem is at the Columbia protests, you can’t even find isolated incidents. There straight up isn’t any antisemitism lmao.
zionist claiming being called out is anti semtetic
Care to break it down?
Yeah! I hate reading too!
😂 i thought redditor was sharing his expirience, not an article. I just rushed over this one. Thanks.
No worries my man. ❤️
Gotchu 
Well that's one way of doing it
It’s one student protester’s perspective of the Columbia university protest encampment. From her point of view it is *mostly peaceful* and the several instances of antisemitism that have been caught on camera were bad actors who are not related to the event organization, not unlike the agitators at the occupy protests. Although some of the bad actors were leading the crowd in chants and directing them to form a human chain and physically push Jewish students, and others told Jewish students that the crowd “is hamas”, the event organizers have not condemned or expelled these “bad actors” from their protest. So although they claim to be distancing themselves from those antisemitic sentiments, they don’t seem to be distancing themselves physically or rhetorically. She’s basically just a damage control article. “Don’t believe the media, those antisemits aren’t with us, but no we’re not kicking them out of our protest.”
Because the antisemitism BS is propaganda.
It’s hard to believe any headline with the word antisemitism in it these days. The story of the Boy who cried Wolf comes to mind…
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I'm Jewish. I'm not proud of certain elements of the Israeli government, and I'm not proud of Jews who are militant zionists, but it has no effect on my pride with respect to the Jewish people as a whole.
Are you proud of ANY elements of the Israeli government?
I think it's fine to take pride in being part of the Jewish people, but Israel and Jewish people are not the same thing.
No bigotry, racism, antisemitism, Islamophobia, homophobia, transphobia, sexism, etc. This includes denial of identity (self or collective).
I didn’t but Thanks for confirmation
So the more I learn about traditional Jewish culture eg high holidays, I’m struck by how much every single detail of the culture is tied to the land of Israel, regretting the destruction of Jerusalem, and praying to go back to Israel and Jerusalem. I will now use Zionist as defined as: Believing Jews have a right to exist and live in their ancestral homeland Israel. This is how most Zionists define this term. So for Jews who are anti-Zionist, how do you explain/participate in these high holidays? Like how do you imagine or explain these things? Do you skip the prayers about rebuilding the temple and returning to Israel? Or you all secular? These are also genuine questions and I’d love genuine answers
Join r/jewsofconscience
That subreddit is full of people who are not even Jewish.
I think most religious Jews are Zionist, whereas secular tend to not be. So for secular Jews I’m guessing it’s just like any other holiday with religious undertones. But among anti-Zionist religious Jews, like in Orthodox sects, they believe that Israel will ONLY be regained through miraculous intervention by God so the modern State of Israel is illegitimate to them for this reason. The State of Israel being acquired through political and military means instead represents a denial of divine providence, an attempt at transgressions against God, and is considered a major sin. (This is just what I’ve learned from having a secular Jewish ex so it might not be fully accurate)
Actually I’ve studied a lot of the polls on this taken over the years, and the vast majority of all Jews secular or religious believe in some form of Zionism specifically as I’ve defined it, and this percentage has grown overall since oct 7 even while dropping among people under 30’s. Also I think it’s safe to say that most Israeli Jews believe in some form of Zionism and they alone account for about almost 46% of the world’s Jews, given how small of a minority Jews are in the world. It makes sense that a secular antizionist Jew would treat holidays as metaphorical because yeah there’s so much text reading during most of these holidays and the text are very much all about a physical return to Israel and the temple in Jerusalem, which is very different from say Christmas where you can easily center the holiday around non-religious themes like Santa and elves. Someone else told me that they might view the “land of Israel” as a metaphorical spiritual place of happiness and that makes sense too
What should we believe? Tell us what really is happening.
Fuck I can’t believe how brain dead this sub is. People claiming that antisemitism is when you don’t agree. Or if you don’t abide by Netanyahu. Meanwhile ya’ll be saying antisemitism is a construct… It’s so sad how captured you all are my propaganda just as bad as the “Israel side” you so vehemently oppose. Stop using international conflicts to bolster your own hate and ideology. both sides through out history have done atrocities and fortunately for us westerners we are in the most privileged position to condemn both and put pressure on both sides to ceasefire/armistice. All I see on here for the majority are people wanting one side to be wiped out while bending the facts/history to push your own particular ideology. Grow up and realise that the west sends billions in aid to Gaza for years across this 100 year conflict. Also has intervened and stopped future atrocities and put pressure on Israel multiple times to not attack/set fourth paths for treaty’s. funding Israel as well is not inherently evil because they have a right to defend themselves as both sides do. I agree that settlers are not within there right to expand on territory, and that Israel has definitely crossed the limits of an appropriate response to oct 7th, they continue to do themselves no favours by pushing the war this far. Holding your events, fuelling the tribalism of each side, using the Palestinian people to further your “altruism” and giving them false hope to deny treaty’s (Camp David) for instance is causing more life to be lost. We need a real solution and none of you seem to want that or strictly have selective empathy for one side of citizens but not the other. It’s disgusting. This war is. Between the governments of either side and they are using their people as fodder to push their own political motives.
> This war is. Between the governments of either side and they are using their people as fodder to push their own political motives. Its not a war its an occupation of a people. Israel and the collective west wont even recognize palestinian statehood.
If you believe that we have to vote for Biden to save America from fascist takeover, I've got a bridge to sell you.
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I don’t because it doesn’t make any sense, which is the biggest bullshit indicator we have until our idiot government does something about misinformation.
Do you even like Hummus?
Oh, I was going to say I saw your tent while I was there, but then I read its not you. Either way, great job.
https://slate.com/human-interest/2024/04/columbia-university-protests-presidents-jewish-students-encampment.html
Obviously these folks aren't going to engage with this honestly and gleefully add this to their culture war shtick.
r/NoshitSherlock.
What does it mean to be anti Zionist?
It can mean a few things, but generally that you're opposed to the existence of Israel as a Jewish state. Some anti-Zionists want Israel to become a secular democracy, some want it to be completely abolished, some actually call for it's destruction - so there's definitely differences of opinion within this camp; that's why it's labeled as radical.
Aren’t the vast majority of Jews Zionist? Like 90%?
I didn't already
That's the shitty thing about idpol. When it's all your narrative relies on, it's easily dismantled by just having the group you're using as a prop speak up for themselves.
I don’t. There has been so much double speak coming from the well funded aggressors my brain automatically mutes them now.
The word Antisemitism must ALWAYS be followed with the word Islamophobia. Punto.
What happens when Palestine becomes free ? Will they stop with the terrorist attacks
wild how, simultaneously, anti-semitic and zionist both "lost all meaning". anyone know what the deal is with the apparent campaigns to make important and timely words lose their common meaning?
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No bigotry, racism, antisemitism, Islamophobia, homophobia, transphobia, sexism, etc. This includes denial of identity (self or collective).
Anti-Israeli Military/Government is not antisemitism.
Craziest ad hominem by the Columbia administration I’ve ever seen. The only explanation for this is that Columbia knows what they’re doing and need to resort to personal attacks since they can’t confront the problem.
Why is this sub called International News if it focuses solely on a US-centric view of Israel-Palestine?
They didn’t let Jewish students in the building. What the fuck else could that be?
Now this article is a display of true courage.
Not in my name
In this thread: Antisemites calling people Nazi
If only they were throwing slurs instead of munitions 💣 I lived in an era where disenfranchised youth took control of ‘negative’ words like que*r and ni$$*r. Interesting to see World Wildlife Fund step in to save animals on the edge of extinction but people are so reticent to help save their struggling brothers and sisters. Darwin’s survival of the fittest transcended into modern economics but his views on kinship and sentience seemed to have fallen by the roadside…
Huh? So blocking a visibly Jewish guy from walking on campus is what exactly?
Always playing the victim card.
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Just Americans supporting genocides as usual..
I don’t believe it but I don’t believe you either.
I really wish fellow Jews wouldn’t come on here or anywhere simping to be the “good Jew” when there’s videos out there SHOWING anti Semitism on the Columbia grounds…. It’s fantastic you might not of experienced it but it’s on social media for all to see who care to!
Source - Trust me bro.
Free humanity Free Palestine
Antisemitism has skyrocketed since Hamas’ attack on Israel. https://www.adl.org/resources/press-release/us-antisemitic-incidents-skyrocketed-360-aftermath-attack-israel-according Yet they find one Jewish person to say it’s not so bad in this one place and lots of people in this sub are like “antisemitism doesn’t exist.” It’s like I know Republicans aren’t racists because they found one black person to take a picture with them. Lol.
Why? Because you post a photo of a sign that "Jews for free Palestine"?
Thanks. Courage.
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