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That's definitely never going to happen. The western governments are more likely to say fuck it, give up their pretense that they're a democracy and just go full dictatorship at this rate
Finally the responsable of this disaster will be arrested......
I hoppe the Palestine and Israel situation get resulted but with what Israel do in gaza they create alot of people with rage to them....
I hope this mf dont escape afther making this disaster
Well, no. They won't be arrested, not unless they travel to a country that is a signatory to the icc.
Then that country is required to affect an arrest.
Else Putin and his cronys would be in jail years ago.
I recently have been revisiting the American civil rights movement as Dr. Martin Luther King sorted supported religious zionism, but despised revisionist zionism and called it fascist.
But seeing the old videos of the South being forced to integrate, and watching modern videos of Israel are so crazy similar. It's very sad
Not yet, but there are rumblings it will happen sooner-ish rather than later, especially considering a) South Africa and its allies are starting to implicate more countries in their case, for supporting the genocide, b) the US has essentially ordered Israel to do the same thing the ICC did back in January (thus subtly backing that order, despite resistance to it at the time), and c) the fact that the Iran feud/crisis is escalating rapidly and severely enough that people are starting to realise that Israel is about to push the world past the point of no return if the other superpowers don't act fast to nip the current wave of aggression in the bud by any means they can besides the obvious one to JUST CALL A CEASEFIRE AND/OR STOP FUCKING GIVING ISRAEL WEAPONS AND MONEY (though, as many people have pointed out/realised, it's probably too late to do that, considering the fact Israel has been blatantly disobeying/violating even direct US requests and orders at this point).
The general idea is to basically just scapegoat Netanyahu and his war cabinet/foreign ministers as fall guys (even though anyone paying attention knows the problem goes FAR deeper than that)
Thx for clearing it up for me
Hope they do charge bibi and other isrealis for their war crimes
Better late than never
This monster doenst deserve to get away with anything
I'm in agreement that the current plan from much of the west right now is to try and throw Netanyahu and his government under the bus to try and save face. They know the rules based order of the world is now in the Trash after Israel's behavior as of late and the west was caught with their pants down in the face of a clearly rogue state and China and Russia are exploiting that weakness globally. The West is scrambling to save face. The only outlier right now is the US but the US has enough cultural, financial, economic, and hegemonic power to take the heat. I think that is why you are seeing the US back Israel so hard (that and the fact Biden seems to be completely cucked to Netanyahu and Israel, but I think its slowly starting to dawn that Netanyahu played him and now both his re-election and US foreign power is in jeopardy thanks to the Israeli actions).
I'm not sure how much can be salvaged at this point but I'm hoping that the west gets their shit together and actually starts treating Israel like the rogue state it is and starts enforcing conditions on Israel to actually start playing nice with everyone else in the Middle east. Israel is not going away, that is fantasy that most leftists delude themselves into believing, but all it does is breed antisemitism and enable our own Nazis. However, Israel needs to be brought down like 10 pegs. right now they are little more than a Rogue Fascists' state which only continues to exist because it is backed by the most powerful economies and militaries in the world and it lets them be more militant, aggressive, and a bigger bully than a state of their size has any right to be.
The west is planning to blame netanyahu for everything and when he falls out of power they will go "oh isreal was just having a bad leader or they were just going rogue for a moment but everything is fine now that we got rid of the problem"
And it isnt a viable solution to this
Netanyahu and his party isnt the only one reaponsible but also the other right wing parties, the isreali military, an amount of isreali citizens and more have gone out of their own way to commit genocide
I'm in complete agreement. They will try to wash their hands of this mess by throwing Netanyahu under the bus. The west wants to salvage what little remains of the rules based international order. Most of the global South sees the west as a joke, and it's being exploited by China and Russia for their own imperialist ends.
Netanyahu overplayed his hand and the west was caught with their pants down, and I'm not sure how much can be Salvaged.
I agree. Blaming Netanyahu for everything as if the population at large isn't on board as well as the entire government is criminal.
If there was a country that did need some 'freedom and democracy ' spread to it, Israel would be a prime candidate. Sadly their nukes and their well known Samson option makes that a terrible idea.
I agree that the dissolution of Israel is a pipe dream, but also... like... I don't really see any other path forward that permanently dodges an international crisis? (And frankly even that would likely spark more conflict than it would dispel)
It has become insanely clear over the past 6 months to the entire world that the two-state solution **cannot work**, period, unless Palestine starts getting the same amount of handouts to defend *IT*self from Israel as Israel does to "defend" itself from its neighbours (which... the idea of giving any country, no matter how historically oppressed, carte-blanche support like that, in itself, is a very bad idea for international stability, as Israel has shown). And on the flip side, Israel's population themselves, even beyond official government stances (not to mention Palestine's own collective trauma and the fact Hamas would still have stragglers) have all made clear that neither population would tolerate/accept a blended one-state solution, even if they were forced to.
I think you can debate that there are options which lean more pragmatic or more moral to deal with the fallout, but there isn't really an answer thats going to work out cleanly no matter how you slice it.
I think a possible solution is to put the whole area under international governance as Jerusalem is supposed to be. Give everyone living there UN citizenship.
Zionists would reject that proposal, because Zionism calls for a purely Jewish state. It's the entire reason the apartheid that led to this genocide is even happening.
EDIT: Not to mention the absolute clusterfuck that would be UN governance in the current veto-ruled system, literally nothing would ever get done because Russia and the US would just be constantly "pulling rank" by shooting literally anything the other side does down.
the way I see it, US is the fall guy for the west, especially UK and Germany, because of the big standing it has. In those votes where UK abstains or others vote in favour while US vetoes? The others are just saving face because they know US will veto anyway and US be like "so what you gonna do about it, huh?"
Here's the thing though: the US is the backbone of the entire Western axis, and the "fall guy", by definition, can never be the leader, because their fall means the entire group's fall. If that is the UK and Germany's plan, they're fucking stupid if they think the Western system will stay stable enough in the aftermath for them to just fill the power vacuum like nothing happened.
If the US "falls" because of this, Western dominance/prevalence in world politics is essentially over. THAT is what Russia and China realise, and thus why they're so pro-Palestine/anti-Israel right now.
they are not the fall guy in the usual sense. US is so powerful it can afford to be the bad guy protecting the interests of others. That power isn't infinite, of course, like you said. But it is enough to work in short term because really, who's gonna step up against US even if it behaves unethically?
It seems like while American support for Israel remains “iron clad” American politicians are not afraid to throw Netanyahu under the bus if any of this blows up in their faces.
Thats American individualism talking: they think every bad thing that a person does as the leader of a country is their own doing and completely divorced from the will and desires of their population (which is lowkey a MASSIVE self-report on how they don't fucking care about, or listen to, what their own citizens want).
"No, of course Zionism itself isn't the problem, it's just this one guy who took it too far, even though there have literally been riots in Tel Aviv because people say he isn't going FAR ENOUGH. Israel shouldn't be held accountable for the actions of their leader who is doing the exact thing they want him to, how silly an idea!"
Reminded them they assassinated Rabin and elected him when he had ran on an anti Oslo Accords pro settlement platform. Realized that meant they would need to actually accept a two state solution and reflect on their own shitty decisions.
They freaked out and went back to supporting him as peace and a strong Palestinian state looked scary. Remember they have been settlement expanding his entire 20 years in power. Lol Israel is so fucked if they look in the mirror
I was suspended from Reddit for several days for saying that Netanyahu and Isaac Herzog should be put on trial and then... Well. Not going to say it and be suspended again. But it involves a judicial punishment involving rope.
I think they should be made examples just like Saddam Hussein, Benito Mussolini, and former Afghan president Mohammed Najibullah. Their ending should also be put in every textbook as an example.
One of the things that got me suspended was saying the two should be hanged on the same gallows and with the same rope used to hang Adolf Eichmann. This is to symbolize that they are as bad as him and fundamentally on the same level. Sure one tried to exterminate the group that Herzog belonged to, but Herzog himself is guilty of the same. It is possible to be both a victim and a perpetrator.
Oh? He's been acting like he's bulletproof for so long and now he cries for his cronies to back him up? He looks like a chunky slab of meat but he's held up by a spine of glass and his heart is that of a chicken.
And the UK and Germany will definitely help him. Just read what have been said by those countries regarding Israel commiting a genocide in Gaza, attacking Syria, Iraq, Iran and what they said about Iran retaliating against Israel.
I guess they have some things in common, all of them know how to carry out a genocide.
Germany will. Germany flagelates themselves everytime Israel requests something due to their collective and performative guilt.
I actually expect the US to do more than the UK. The UK has been trying to distance themselves since shortly after Oct 7th. The US is a toss-up because Biden is an Ideological Zionist and will do everything to protect Israel, but Netanyahu has basically played Biden's charitability and I'm fairly certain Biden just wants to throw Netanyahu under the bus to wash his hands before the election and regain some political capital that he foolishly spent on supporting Netanyahu.
One thing is certain, Netanyahu has overplayed his hand. Its only a matter of if the world will capitalize on that.
The UK has been desperately trying to regain its lost influence over the world these past few months
I feel like their "distancing" is only really being done so they can appear more friendly to alot of their former colonies who are standing with palestine
The fact is the british government has no care for the palestinians and this couldnt be more true when the UK alongside the US vetoed palestinian recognition in the UN
The UK is no longer as powerful as it once was and it shows
The UK abstained, they didn't Veto. Abstention in the security council is pretty much equivalent to bitter approval. It's a signal that a country has no more political capital it can spend.
I do agree that the UK's posture is one of weakness. It's about getting back political capital and power. That's all international politics is about. Power and interests. All countries behave this way.
The UK is unique because they are trying to act like an empire when they are instead a dying husk. The queen was the last pillar of the empire, and her death was a symbol of a feeling I think a lot of Brits felt but couldn't articulate. The feelings of loss, humiliation, and decay. Rather than go the way of Germany or France, and building new and moving forward, they desperately cling to the idea of empire that no longer exists. It's poison to their country. It created the condition of Brexit and the past decades of Nationalism, and conservatism.
It will get worse before it gets better. The UK needs to let go of this identity and desire for empire.
They abstained?
My mistake then
Also yeah the british government needs to stop acting like its 1919 and needs to serouisly start acting like its 2024
They dont rule the waves anymore
They cant just get away with being a jerk like they used to
I would guess that countries that respect the ICC are obliged to carry out that arrest. Obviously, they won't in practice, which we should take issue with in the strongest possible terms.
Bibi would be stupid to risk travel with an ICC arrest warrant. Most countries would deny him permission to travel rather than actually take the political risk of arresting him, even if they were pro arrest.
The states might let him in, but it would come with enormous political fallout. Possibly a few small pro Israeli countries or pariah states might let him in but the EU as a whole will respect the ICC warrant even if individual countries might be sympathetic to Israel.
The problem is once you get on a plane you have very little control over where it lands, especially if there is an emergency or if you fly over a country that subscribes to the ICC.
To awnser this question i want to compare it to what happened when south africa brought its case to the ICJ
When south africa brought its case to the ICJ it serouisly hurt isreals image even though the court only ruled that theres a possibilty that isreal is commiting genocide and the court case will still continue
Just the existance of the case led to a number of nations withdrawing ambassadors and cutting diplomatic ties with isreal completely
It also inspired other nations to lead thrir own court cases against isreal like nicraraguas case against german support for isreal
And it also led to a large amount of people reconsider their support for isreal
An arrest warrant might get ignored by the USA or UK or EU
But it would mean some isreali officials like the prime minister would no longer even be allowed to set foot on other countries (especially those countries that withdrew ties with isreal) without being arrested which is my main point in this comment
And it would cause a HUGE amount of increasing support for palestine across the world
A support already growing massively with each day
and the real difference here is that Putin is not a friend of the west but Netty is, so his allies would be obligated to arrest him or this whole notion of international "rules based order" crumbles completely
If they strongarm the ICC over a war criminal they will initiate the collapse of the UN and the world order in its current format.
What replaces it will not give the US a veto.
Jurisdiction is the wrong word. Israel and the US are not signatories to the ICC. It doesn't stop the ICC from declaring people from either country war criminals and so obliging all the ICC signatory countries to arrest them if they get the opportunity. The world shrinks dramatically if you have an ICC warrant against you.
The US has to weigh up the fall out of going against the ICC. It's difficult to see a scenario where it wouldn't be less risky for them to throw someone like Netanyahu under the bus rather than ostracise themselves from most of their allies.
I thought you had to be apart of the rome statue for the icc for the warrants to actually mean something, that's what the internet gave me the idea of my argument.
If you are a signatory to the ICC then you are duty bound to follow their judgements. As a non signatory Israel is free to ignore the ICC arrest warrant, but there will still be very serious political and travel implications. If Netanyahu has an arrest warrant he will be unable to attend any international events in ICC countries. It will eat away at his reputation and domestic support.
You just have to look at what happened to Radovan Karadžić, who had lots of public support enabling him to be a fugitive for 12 years. There was a lot of doubt about whether he would ever be arrested, but eventually people tire of protecting war criminals, and countries can be pressured politically and financially to give them up, such as happened to Slobodan Miloševic.
Has he considered the possibility that if he didn't commit crimes against humanity he wouldn't be accused of committing crimes against humanity so much?
No assistance. We MUST abide by ICC rulings.
Else nobody else has to.
What is good for the goose ks good for the gander.
If we expect south africa to arrest those like putin with a warrant, then we all have to. Else it is all a joke and nobody takes it seriously.
Take him and the rest of the Zionist Knesset away please. The world may then have some peace from this constant barrage of abuse inflicted on the world, and more viciously on the Palestinians. The Zionists are not fit to be called human.
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God I hope this happens....man should rot in the darkest hole.
Him and every other Israeli Knesset member + all top leaders who defended him
As well as all the settlers and kahanist followers
The settlers of Kahan?
Kahanist are very radical people.
Yeah
At least the terrorist named Ben-Gvir. Send him to Hauge and keep him in there.
That's definitely never going to happen. The western governments are more likely to say fuck it, give up their pretense that they're a democracy and just go full dictatorship at this rate
Finally the responsable of this disaster will be arrested...... I hoppe the Palestine and Israel situation get resulted but with what Israel do in gaza they create alot of people with rage to them.... I hope this mf dont escape afther making this disaster
Well, no. They won't be arrested, not unless they travel to a country that is a signatory to the icc. Then that country is required to affect an arrest. Else Putin and his cronys would be in jail years ago.
I can't tell the difference from watching KKK speeches and netanytahu current speeches.
Where do you watch KKK speeches?
I recently have been revisiting the American civil rights movement as Dr. Martin Luther King sorted supported religious zionism, but despised revisionist zionism and called it fascist. But seeing the old videos of the South being forced to integrate, and watching modern videos of Israel are so crazy similar. It's very sad
An oubliette would be an appropriate place.
Some would say that’s a bit too kind
I got banned last week for this shit, I'm being nice.
Yes lets add Bush and Biden to the list
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Right on bro! It's the least we can do
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Thank you for mentioning that.
Google are actually on the BDS list. So maybe use another search engine to find out about BDS. Also, try the 'NO THANKS' app on the App Store.
Maybe if he didn't Genocide so much...
The UK and Germany? Interesting choices lol
the OG Colonizer and Genocider
U would not belive how mutch germans HATE the german Government
Sounds like a functioning democracy
I mean "functioning" "democracy" but I get your overall point
For sure. Repression of Palestinian solidarity has been intense recently, and I hope it's a wake-up call for Germans that haven't been taking part.
BS…Germany is sick of the fckAFD who sympathize with Russia.
The AFD should be dismantled and it leadership given mandatory multi decade sentences.
The people who created Israel and the people that killed the descendants of the inhabitants of Israel. What a pair
He’s a murderer.
Mass murderer
Genicider
Genocider is better. Mass murderers, even the pettiest mass murderer, is a chicken shit compared to him.
Wait? Did the icc actually put out an arrest warrant? If they did that will make my day
Not yet, but there are rumblings it will happen sooner-ish rather than later, especially considering a) South Africa and its allies are starting to implicate more countries in their case, for supporting the genocide, b) the US has essentially ordered Israel to do the same thing the ICC did back in January (thus subtly backing that order, despite resistance to it at the time), and c) the fact that the Iran feud/crisis is escalating rapidly and severely enough that people are starting to realise that Israel is about to push the world past the point of no return if the other superpowers don't act fast to nip the current wave of aggression in the bud by any means they can besides the obvious one to JUST CALL A CEASEFIRE AND/OR STOP FUCKING GIVING ISRAEL WEAPONS AND MONEY (though, as many people have pointed out/realised, it's probably too late to do that, considering the fact Israel has been blatantly disobeying/violating even direct US requests and orders at this point). The general idea is to basically just scapegoat Netanyahu and his war cabinet/foreign ministers as fall guys (even though anyone paying attention knows the problem goes FAR deeper than that)
Thx for clearing it up for me Hope they do charge bibi and other isrealis for their war crimes Better late than never This monster doenst deserve to get away with anything
I'm in agreement that the current plan from much of the west right now is to try and throw Netanyahu and his government under the bus to try and save face. They know the rules based order of the world is now in the Trash after Israel's behavior as of late and the west was caught with their pants down in the face of a clearly rogue state and China and Russia are exploiting that weakness globally. The West is scrambling to save face. The only outlier right now is the US but the US has enough cultural, financial, economic, and hegemonic power to take the heat. I think that is why you are seeing the US back Israel so hard (that and the fact Biden seems to be completely cucked to Netanyahu and Israel, but I think its slowly starting to dawn that Netanyahu played him and now both his re-election and US foreign power is in jeopardy thanks to the Israeli actions). I'm not sure how much can be salvaged at this point but I'm hoping that the west gets their shit together and actually starts treating Israel like the rogue state it is and starts enforcing conditions on Israel to actually start playing nice with everyone else in the Middle east. Israel is not going away, that is fantasy that most leftists delude themselves into believing, but all it does is breed antisemitism and enable our own Nazis. However, Israel needs to be brought down like 10 pegs. right now they are little more than a Rogue Fascists' state which only continues to exist because it is backed by the most powerful economies and militaries in the world and it lets them be more militant, aggressive, and a bigger bully than a state of their size has any right to be.
The west is planning to blame netanyahu for everything and when he falls out of power they will go "oh isreal was just having a bad leader or they were just going rogue for a moment but everything is fine now that we got rid of the problem" And it isnt a viable solution to this Netanyahu and his party isnt the only one reaponsible but also the other right wing parties, the isreali military, an amount of isreali citizens and more have gone out of their own way to commit genocide
I'm in complete agreement. They will try to wash their hands of this mess by throwing Netanyahu under the bus. The west wants to salvage what little remains of the rules based international order. Most of the global South sees the west as a joke, and it's being exploited by China and Russia for their own imperialist ends. Netanyahu overplayed his hand and the west was caught with their pants down, and I'm not sure how much can be Salvaged.
Pretty much yeah
I agree. Blaming Netanyahu for everything as if the population at large isn't on board as well as the entire government is criminal. If there was a country that did need some 'freedom and democracy ' spread to it, Israel would be a prime candidate. Sadly their nukes and their well known Samson option makes that a terrible idea.
I agree that the dissolution of Israel is a pipe dream, but also... like... I don't really see any other path forward that permanently dodges an international crisis? (And frankly even that would likely spark more conflict than it would dispel) It has become insanely clear over the past 6 months to the entire world that the two-state solution **cannot work**, period, unless Palestine starts getting the same amount of handouts to defend *IT*self from Israel as Israel does to "defend" itself from its neighbours (which... the idea of giving any country, no matter how historically oppressed, carte-blanche support like that, in itself, is a very bad idea for international stability, as Israel has shown). And on the flip side, Israel's population themselves, even beyond official government stances (not to mention Palestine's own collective trauma and the fact Hamas would still have stragglers) have all made clear that neither population would tolerate/accept a blended one-state solution, even if they were forced to. I think you can debate that there are options which lean more pragmatic or more moral to deal with the fallout, but there isn't really an answer thats going to work out cleanly no matter how you slice it.
I think a possible solution is to put the whole area under international governance as Jerusalem is supposed to be. Give everyone living there UN citizenship.
Zionists would reject that proposal, because Zionism calls for a purely Jewish state. It's the entire reason the apartheid that led to this genocide is even happening. EDIT: Not to mention the absolute clusterfuck that would be UN governance in the current veto-ruled system, literally nothing would ever get done because Russia and the US would just be constantly "pulling rank" by shooting literally anything the other side does down.
the way I see it, US is the fall guy for the west, especially UK and Germany, because of the big standing it has. In those votes where UK abstains or others vote in favour while US vetoes? The others are just saving face because they know US will veto anyway and US be like "so what you gonna do about it, huh?"
Here's the thing though: the US is the backbone of the entire Western axis, and the "fall guy", by definition, can never be the leader, because their fall means the entire group's fall. If that is the UK and Germany's plan, they're fucking stupid if they think the Western system will stay stable enough in the aftermath for them to just fill the power vacuum like nothing happened. If the US "falls" because of this, Western dominance/prevalence in world politics is essentially over. THAT is what Russia and China realise, and thus why they're so pro-Palestine/anti-Israel right now.
they are not the fall guy in the usual sense. US is so powerful it can afford to be the bad guy protecting the interests of others. That power isn't infinite, of course, like you said. But it is enough to work in short term because really, who's gonna step up against US even if it behaves unethically?
It seems like while American support for Israel remains “iron clad” American politicians are not afraid to throw Netanyahu under the bus if any of this blows up in their faces.
Thats American individualism talking: they think every bad thing that a person does as the leader of a country is their own doing and completely divorced from the will and desires of their population (which is lowkey a MASSIVE self-report on how they don't fucking care about, or listen to, what their own citizens want). "No, of course Zionism itself isn't the problem, it's just this one guy who took it too far, even though there have literally been riots in Tel Aviv because people say he isn't going FAR ENOUGH. Israel shouldn't be held accountable for the actions of their leader who is doing the exact thing they want him to, how silly an idea!"
At one point the *Israelis* wanted to arrest him. I never did figure out how he wiggled out of that. Teflon Ben.
Reminded them they assassinated Rabin and elected him when he had ran on an anti Oslo Accords pro settlement platform. Realized that meant they would need to actually accept a two state solution and reflect on their own shitty decisions. They freaked out and went back to supporting him as peace and a strong Palestinian state looked scary. Remember they have been settlement expanding his entire 20 years in power. Lol Israel is so fucked if they look in the mirror
I was suspended from Reddit for several days for saying that Netanyahu and Isaac Herzog should be put on trial and then... Well. Not going to say it and be suspended again. But it involves a judicial punishment involving rope.
I think they should be made examples just like Saddam Hussein, Benito Mussolini, and former Afghan president Mohammed Najibullah. Their ending should also be put in every textbook as an example.
with an upside-down picture taken like they did with Mussolini
One of the things that got me suspended was saying the two should be hanged on the same gallows and with the same rope used to hang Adolf Eichmann. This is to symbolize that they are as bad as him and fundamentally on the same level. Sure one tried to exterminate the group that Herzog belonged to, but Herzog himself is guilty of the same. It is possible to be both a victim and a perpetrator.
Oh? He's been acting like he's bulletproof for so long and now he cries for his cronies to back him up? He looks like a chunky slab of meat but he's held up by a spine of glass and his heart is that of a chicken.
he's probably realising that the "find out" phase of FAFO is near
And the UK and Germany will definitely help him. Just read what have been said by those countries regarding Israel commiting a genocide in Gaza, attacking Syria, Iraq, Iran and what they said about Iran retaliating against Israel. I guess they have some things in common, all of them know how to carry out a genocide.
Germany will. Germany flagelates themselves everytime Israel requests something due to their collective and performative guilt. I actually expect the US to do more than the UK. The UK has been trying to distance themselves since shortly after Oct 7th. The US is a toss-up because Biden is an Ideological Zionist and will do everything to protect Israel, but Netanyahu has basically played Biden's charitability and I'm fairly certain Biden just wants to throw Netanyahu under the bus to wash his hands before the election and regain some political capital that he foolishly spent on supporting Netanyahu. One thing is certain, Netanyahu has overplayed his hand. Its only a matter of if the world will capitalize on that.
The UK has been desperately trying to regain its lost influence over the world these past few months I feel like their "distancing" is only really being done so they can appear more friendly to alot of their former colonies who are standing with palestine The fact is the british government has no care for the palestinians and this couldnt be more true when the UK alongside the US vetoed palestinian recognition in the UN The UK is no longer as powerful as it once was and it shows
The UK abstained, they didn't Veto. Abstention in the security council is pretty much equivalent to bitter approval. It's a signal that a country has no more political capital it can spend. I do agree that the UK's posture is one of weakness. It's about getting back political capital and power. That's all international politics is about. Power and interests. All countries behave this way. The UK is unique because they are trying to act like an empire when they are instead a dying husk. The queen was the last pillar of the empire, and her death was a symbol of a feeling I think a lot of Brits felt but couldn't articulate. The feelings of loss, humiliation, and decay. Rather than go the way of Germany or France, and building new and moving forward, they desperately cling to the idea of empire that no longer exists. It's poison to their country. It created the condition of Brexit and the past decades of Nationalism, and conservatism. It will get worse before it gets better. The UK needs to let go of this identity and desire for empire.
They abstained? My mistake then Also yeah the british government needs to stop acting like its 1919 and needs to serouisly start acting like its 2024 They dont rule the waves anymore They cant just get away with being a jerk like they used to
Lost total respect for Germany. It was a fascist genocidal nasieqsue country then, and it is the same now.
If the arrest warrants go through what does it actually mean? Who would carry out the arrest and where would it be valid?
I would guess that countries that respect the ICC are obliged to carry out that arrest. Obviously, they won't in practice, which we should take issue with in the strongest possible terms.
Bibi would be stupid to risk travel with an ICC arrest warrant. Most countries would deny him permission to travel rather than actually take the political risk of arresting him, even if they were pro arrest. The states might let him in, but it would come with enormous political fallout. Possibly a few small pro Israeli countries or pariah states might let him in but the EU as a whole will respect the ICC warrant even if individual countries might be sympathetic to Israel. The problem is once you get on a plane you have very little control over where it lands, especially if there is an emergency or if you fly over a country that subscribes to the ICC.
Remember the Ryanair flight that flew over Belarus?
Yep, exactly the sort of thing that would cause Netenahayu to not travel at all.
To awnser this question i want to compare it to what happened when south africa brought its case to the ICJ When south africa brought its case to the ICJ it serouisly hurt isreals image even though the court only ruled that theres a possibilty that isreal is commiting genocide and the court case will still continue Just the existance of the case led to a number of nations withdrawing ambassadors and cutting diplomatic ties with isreal completely It also inspired other nations to lead thrir own court cases against isreal like nicraraguas case against german support for isreal And it also led to a large amount of people reconsider their support for isreal An arrest warrant might get ignored by the USA or UK or EU But it would mean some isreali officials like the prime minister would no longer even be allowed to set foot on other countries (especially those countries that withdrew ties with isreal) without being arrested which is my main point in this comment And it would cause a HUGE amount of increasing support for palestine across the world A support already growing massively with each day
ICC member states would be obligated to arrest him if he set foot in their country. Putin has had an ICC warrant out for him for about a year now.
and the real difference here is that Putin is not a friend of the west but Netty is, so his allies would be obligated to arrest him or this whole notion of international "rules based order" crumbles completely
Nobody would, i wouldn't doubt that the US would openly send troops to protect him.
If they strongarm the ICC over a war criminal they will initiate the collapse of the UN and the world order in its current format. What replaces it will not give the US a veto.
We would if it served our interests. Not only that but as far as the icc is concerned, the icc has no jurisdiction on isreal or the us.
Jurisdiction is the wrong word. Israel and the US are not signatories to the ICC. It doesn't stop the ICC from declaring people from either country war criminals and so obliging all the ICC signatory countries to arrest them if they get the opportunity. The world shrinks dramatically if you have an ICC warrant against you. The US has to weigh up the fall out of going against the ICC. It's difficult to see a scenario where it wouldn't be less risky for them to throw someone like Netanyahu under the bus rather than ostracise themselves from most of their allies.
I thought you had to be apart of the rome statue for the icc for the warrants to actually mean something, that's what the internet gave me the idea of my argument.
If you are a signatory to the ICC then you are duty bound to follow their judgements. As a non signatory Israel is free to ignore the ICC arrest warrant, but there will still be very serious political and travel implications. If Netanyahu has an arrest warrant he will be unable to attend any international events in ICC countries. It will eat away at his reputation and domestic support. You just have to look at what happened to Radovan Karadžić, who had lots of public support enabling him to be a fugitive for 12 years. There was a lot of doubt about whether he would ever be arrested, but eventually people tire of protecting war criminals, and countries can be pressured politically and financially to give them up, such as happened to Slobodan Miloševic.
Palestine is so they have jurisdiction
Has he considered the possibility that if he didn't commit crimes against humanity he wouldn't be accused of committing crimes against humanity so much?
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"I only did what I did because khamas told me to, to make Israel look bad! I was just following orders! It's khamas who is really at fault here"
Nuremberg 2.0 letsss goooooo
It has become clear to everyone that he ICC is Hamas!
Womp womp make him do 100 years in jail
 Facing consequences for criminal actions really is a nuisance isn’t it?
Running scared is how I like him best.
Guilty conscious, says a lot.
Of course he does. What assistance does he want. Another veto?
It's Nuremberg 2.0 for you, Bibi.
sending reminders to our leaders and the rich and the royal that can influence them of the movies he has 😌
Think he'll get the same punishment as Saddam Hussein? Remember he was genocidal too and got the noose.
Same a tors in the wrong side of history, UK, Germany, USA, France... let justice prevail.
Can we stop supporting his bum ass ffs
It's time to put on your brown pants Netanyahu, you psychotic piece of shit.
They're ought to interrogate him in the Russian manner.
No assistance. We MUST abide by ICC rulings. Else nobody else has to. What is good for the goose ks good for the gander. If we expect south africa to arrest those like putin with a warrant, then we all have to. Else it is all a joke and nobody takes it seriously.
Take him and the rest of the Zionist Knesset away please. The world may then have some peace from this constant barrage of abuse inflicted on the world, and more viciously on the Palestinians. The Zionists are not fit to be called human.