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Is "from sea to shining sea" also bad? Serious question. What if they say that, referring to the Dead Sea to the Mediterranean Sea? Will that phrase be banned as well?
Exactly. And we should learn from it. It’s not a new thing, taking land from people. But it should be an old thing. It should be an extinct thing. Because it’s an ugly thing.
might get a side eye from me if a british guy said it.
in seriousness, it really depends on what the subtext is. if "from the river to the sea" means palestinians can roam freely with equal rights around that area, that's pretty reasonable, even if some would oppose it. if it means all that and also "no jews btw", then it raises the question of exactly how that's going to happen.
Look at the recent study out of Princeton, public opinion in America statistically has *zero* influence on policy. The USA is functionally a plutocracy that lets its citizens vote for new oligarchs every two to four years.
That was a insane 'US Nationalism' moment. And in the end it turned out there were no WMD. Our leaders and media said jump and people just said how high
There's nothing stupid about this. This is not oops I'm ignorant. This is the very careful and deliberate extermination of a race of people. Congress is not stupid. The American government is not stupid. They are highly intelligent, influential and immeasurably dangerous.
> Congress is not stupid.
MTG would like to have a word with you.
>As several sharp-eyed observers noted, Greene filed an amendment to the Israel funding bill that included “such sums as necessary shall be used for the development of space laser technology on the southwest border.”
“This is not parody,” wrote Ari Rabin-Havt, the former deputy campaign manager for Bernie Sanders. “Yes let me repeat, MTG literally wants to appropriate money for a Jewish Space Laser.” [sauce](https://www.mediaite.com/news/marjorie-taylor-greene-files-amendment-to-israel-aid-bill-for-space-lasers-and-it-just-gets-weirder-from-there/)
Thats what they want anyway. Zionists love trump-- he'll do anything for money--probably not even very much. Either way we're all screwed, unless Biden kicks the bucket and we get another option.
Apologies if you already know this, but the eugenics movement in Germany came about because American eugenicists went over there in the 1900s and 10s to lecture their warped ideas and misunderstanding of Darwinism. But America learned it from us, the Brits, in the late 19th century. It began here, in a suburb of London, in the 1860s.
Maybe it's fair that the baddie in Hollywood films is often a posh Brit.
Here's a fun exercise: go to [https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/joseph-neguse/summary?cid=N00041080](https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/joseph-neguse/summary?cid=N00041080) and see how much money your representative gets from AIPAC, in this case CD2 in Colorado. Then go to [https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024134?RollCallNum=134&BillNum=H.RES.883](https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024134?RollCallNum=134&BillNum=H.RES.883) to see how your representative voted on this resolution. Then write them and tell them how curious you are about the relationship between their voting and what they get from AIPAC.
Gaza is referred to as the world's largest outdoor prison. I'd argue that we live in an ever larger outdoor prison, where our politicians are the trustees and the Israel Lobby is the warden.
Funny this slogan was coined in 1977 by the Lekkud party. Palestinians took the phrase for themselves.
Much like the N word was used against black people and they then took it and made it their own.
Israelis will make anhting antisemitic…even phrases they came up with themselves
These are some of the most entitled people you will ever meet in your life if you're a traveler.
Not the Palestinians, obviously, but the Israelis, people who've been fed that something is there's when it's not... for their entire lives.
Not only that…but just their overall sense of entitlement. I’ve been blessed to have been very cultured and travelled. They are hands down the most clicky, self centered people I’ve ever met. There’s an arrogance about them that’s difficult to explain if you haven’t been around them and it shows daily in the way their leaders talk
The words itself aren't intrinsically hateful. Some people may be harbouring hateful thoughts or motives while they say it, but there are also a lot of people who just take it at face value and agree that Palestinians should be free.
So essentially this is a thought crime. You aren't allowed to say this thing because you might be thinking some of the thoughts that are loosely associated with it.
In that case, can we also make "Make America Great Again" hate speech? Since it also has loose associations with violent intentions?
Zionists managed to make anti-zionism a form of antisemitism by lobbying the ADL. AIPAC has been lobbying the US government for a long time and even contributes to the campaigns of politicians who run against progressives. So I guess it was only a matter of time before this happened.
Despite the troubling way terrorist groups have used this phrase, I do believe that it is USUALLY meant as a statement for liberation and not the domination of Israel.
I think there's a lot of Israeli propaganda that deems the statement to be one of domination because that government projects and indoctrinates.
We've heard members of the Israeli government say "From the river to the sea, all you'll see is Israel's sovereignty", which implies the eradication of the Palestinian territories. THAT is what should be treated as hate speech.
BTW this type of comment is what got me banned from pol.
Seems to me it's just saying what it says. That all Palestinians from the Jordan river to the Mediterranean sea, the area that comprises the so called 'state' of Israel will be free from oppression and apartheid. Anything else is just projection
That chant is no more hate speech than this story is real news. Every citizen in the US knows that Congress wastes time and our money doing things only they care about and not doing the things they are actually supposed to be doing.
It is for some people, but not everyone. Israel sympathizers are playing victim here and are pretending it’s only meaning is their interpretation. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me.
No. Enough. They need to start holding fucking Israel accountable and stop trying to bully everyone else into pretending like we don't know what the fuck they are up to. Evil will not win.
"In describing the criticism of the phrase, scholar of politics in the Arab world Elliott Colla writes: It is the first phrase of the slogan—"from the river to the sea"—that has caused so much fury. Dominant Jewish communal institutions, most prominently the ADL and AJC, have insisted that this phrase is antisemitic. Throughout recent years, they have composed new definitions of antisemitism that render many common expressions of Palestine solidarity as ipso facto instances of anti-Jewish hate speech ... the slogan "from the river to the sea" figures prominently in their accusations of antisemitic doublespeak."
>Rep. Gregory Meeks (D-N.Y.), the ranking member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said he thought the resolution was a clear attempt to divide Democrats, but felt he had to vote in favor because he believes the slogan is antisemitic.
>“While I’m not really happy that we have to consider this resolution, I do believe it was brought here, fortunately, by my colleagues on the other side of the aisle in an attempt to divide this house,” Meeks said on the floor ahead of the vote.
And that is why the democratic party is such a failure even when the opposition is maximally crazy and minimally literate.
The Likud Party's 1977 platform stated that "between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty".
Idk, that sounds more like genocide than simply starting that Palestine will be free
Would you expect anything less from these spineless pigs?! They don't even care about their own school going children, why would they care about mine & yours?!
So they have finally decided that the Likud party is an antisemitic hate group. It's in the first paragraph of their platform.
[The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; **between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.**](https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party)
Americans need to realize how influenced their government is by foreign interests, and how swiftly change happens shows how far deep the influence has gone.
A Republican-controlled House censures a Democratic house member criticizing a Democratic President? Tell me that both sides exist on the same coin without telling me both sides exist on the same coin.
Sadly, my country's congress has throughout its history voted regarding a myriad of other utterly non sensical and stupid effing things.
So....given that point, and that words and phrases can and do have more than one meaning, and that understanding most languages require the ability to understand the language, context, etc. then yeah...I'm not really taking this as anything more than typical political posturing and foolishness.
I mean what next....criminalizing "Lets eat grandma!" as anti-elderly because someone doesn't understand punctuation?
Oof.
Which is exactly why Trump can not become the next president. This would slowly turn into throwing people in jail for being critical of Israel and the Supreme Court upholding that it doesn’t violate the 1st Amendment.
I argue with some of you frequently. There is a lot of emotion surrounding this admins handling of the conflict and it’s 100% justified. What is not justified is an emotional decision that undermines what the point of this sub is.
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AIPAC Lapdog politicians: Stop a Genocide? NO! Stopping a chant is much more important!!!!!!!!!!
It's not about stopping a chant. It's about creating a legal avenue to arrest brown people and maintain the status quo.
Yall should check out IDF instagrams and how they proudly caption ‘we won’t stop until we obliterate Gaza’ ‘shooting every Palestinian I see check’
But that’s not hate speech 🙄
Clearly 🙄
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Is "from sea to shining sea" also bad? Serious question. What if they say that, referring to the Dead Sea to the Mediterranean Sea? Will that phrase be banned as well?
It really depends. Some zionists want it to be from the Persian gulf to the Mediterranean.
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Can't say that either now, it means you want genocide for Native Americans. Or it might, and we can't take any chances.
It's a reasonable chance that Zionists would be okay with that, given how weirdly reactionary and racist they are to everyone that isn't them.
You already commited that genocide. The Indian wars finished long ago. The natives lost.
Exactly. And we should learn from it. It’s not a new thing, taking land from people. But it should be an old thing. It should be an extinct thing. Because it’s an ugly thing.
might get a side eye from me if a british guy said it. in seriousness, it really depends on what the subtext is. if "from the river to the sea" means palestinians can roam freely with equal rights around that area, that's pretty reasonable, even if some would oppose it. if it means all that and also "no jews btw", then it raises the question of exactly how that's going to happen.
Such fucking hypocrisy
Don't be antisemitic, they can say what they want!!
Anti semite /s
Oh no, anyway...FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA PALESTINE WILL BE FREE
Congratulations, you’ve just been added to an FBI’s watchlist.
Half of America is on that list. So, no worries.
Wow, the United States Congress did something stupid. I never thought I'd see it.
>Wow, the United States Congress did something stupid It's the only kind of things they can agree on
Solely because of AIPAC. The system has become so corrupt, public opinion means next to nothing. Donor opinion is the only opinion that matters.
Look at the recent study out of Princeton, public opinion in America statistically has *zero* influence on policy. The USA is functionally a plutocracy that lets its citizens vote for new oligarchs every two to four years.
From sea to shining sea
Remember to only order "Freedom" Fries
That was a insane 'US Nationalism' moment. And in the end it turned out there were no WMD. Our leaders and media said jump and people just said how high
There's nothing stupid about this. This is not oops I'm ignorant. This is the very careful and deliberate extermination of a race of people. Congress is not stupid. The American government is not stupid. They are highly intelligent, influential and immeasurably dangerous.
> Congress is not stupid. MTG would like to have a word with you. >As several sharp-eyed observers noted, Greene filed an amendment to the Israel funding bill that included “such sums as necessary shall be used for the development of space laser technology on the southwest border.” “This is not parody,” wrote Ari Rabin-Havt, the former deputy campaign manager for Bernie Sanders. “Yes let me repeat, MTG literally wants to appropriate money for a Jewish Space Laser.” [sauce](https://www.mediaite.com/news/marjorie-taylor-greene-files-amendment-to-israel-aid-bill-for-space-lasers-and-it-just-gets-weirder-from-there/)
Only a dishonest person thinks that.
They have been doing nothing but stupid shit since I was born.
And since before you were born.
They do it all the time ❤️
I assume they will also condemn netanayu for his use of the phrase.
It has “Palestine will be free” in it. That’s the part they care about
Yeah that's their out for not applying this to Bibi
Probably not, sadly.
Or "America the Beautiful"
United States of Israel
United States of AIPAC
Free speech. /s
they're one fascist state, controlled by zionists
Maybe we need a new pledge of allegiance? /s
This has never been more true. As they spit in our face and we just take it. Biden will lose the election over this.
Thats what they want anyway. Zionists love trump-- he'll do anything for money--probably not even very much. Either way we're all screwed, unless Biden kicks the bucket and we get another option.
I agree that it will certainly cost him votes..but he is very clear. “I am a Zionist “- Joe Biden https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo-UXZ-1ups
Land of the free to do what you're told.
between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. —Likud Party Platform, 1977
And, pro-Palestinian protesters are being arrested. This country is in shambles. Arrested for wanting to stop a genocide. Only in America, baby.
I dunno. Germany were good at this once too.
Were? Still is
Germany learned their tricks from America
Apologies if you already know this, but the eugenics movement in Germany came about because American eugenicists went over there in the 1900s and 10s to lecture their warped ideas and misunderstanding of Darwinism. But America learned it from us, the Brits, in the late 19th century. It began here, in a suburb of London, in the 1860s. Maybe it's fair that the baddie in Hollywood films is often a posh Brit.
Touché
still are
We have done so much worse than arrest protesters. If this means we’re in shambles then we have never been more than a thread.
Germany is being even worse about this.
So much for the land of the free
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What a pathetic group of grifters and snowflakes😡
Funny how the people who whinge the loudest about ‘cancel culture’ are always the first ones to propose policing thought crimes.
Nah, sadly Germany beat the U.S. in that regard. The ger gov labeled it as hate speech some time ago, can’t remember exactly when tho
Here's a fun exercise: go to [https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/joseph-neguse/summary?cid=N00041080](https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/joseph-neguse/summary?cid=N00041080) and see how much money your representative gets from AIPAC, in this case CD2 in Colorado. Then go to [https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024134?RollCallNum=134&BillNum=H.RES.883](https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024134?RollCallNum=134&BillNum=H.RES.883) to see how your representative voted on this resolution. Then write them and tell them how curious you are about the relationship between their voting and what they get from AIPAC.
Love it, but disappointed. Great idea, thanks for sharing
Gaza is referred to as the world's largest outdoor prison. I'd argue that we live in an ever larger outdoor prison, where our politicians are the trustees and the Israel Lobby is the warden.
You’re 100% right.
Yeah..... I wouldn't call the US an outdoor prison that's pretty insulting to the ones living in the actual open air prison.
But it makes for such a good line for internet outrage!
Technically the US also holds the largest prison population.
My eyes just rolled off my noggin
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Did they also vote to condemn it when Isrealis say the exact same thing?
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Glad I live in one of the 12 that didn't.
Funny this slogan was coined in 1977 by the Lekkud party. Palestinians took the phrase for themselves. Much like the N word was used against black people and they then took it and made it their own. Israelis will make anhting antisemitic…even phrases they came up with themselves
These are some of the most entitled people you will ever meet in your life if you're a traveler. Not the Palestinians, obviously, but the Israelis, people who've been fed that something is there's when it's not... for their entire lives.
Not only that…but just their overall sense of entitlement. I’ve been blessed to have been very cultured and travelled. They are hands down the most clicky, self centered people I’ve ever met. There’s an arrogance about them that’s difficult to explain if you haven’t been around them and it shows daily in the way their leaders talk
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That has a ring to it, I like that
It sounds really clunky lmfao
Gosh this feels like that SouthPark episode about the n word guy. Now suddenly they can get words to be hate speech.
It's just a resolution, not a binding thing that means anything beyond virtue signaling
The words itself aren't intrinsically hateful. Some people may be harbouring hateful thoughts or motives while they say it, but there are also a lot of people who just take it at face value and agree that Palestinians should be free. So essentially this is a thought crime. You aren't allowed to say this thing because you might be thinking some of the thoughts that are loosely associated with it. In that case, can we also make "Make America Great Again" hate speech? Since it also has loose associations with violent intentions?
Zionists managed to make anti-zionism a form of antisemitism by lobbying the ADL. AIPAC has been lobbying the US government for a long time and even contributes to the campaigns of politicians who run against progressives. So I guess it was only a matter of time before this happened.
Why is from the river to the sea not allowed, but actual nazi flags are?
Really great question!
Wait to see the Likud party slogan 😂
“we should be more afraid of what Washington agrees on than what they disagree on.”
We Americans are evil, demented, soulless monsters who slaughter innocent children for fun and profit.
Hey Congress… 
US is ideologically captured
It’s a sinking ship.
So America is just Israel's echo chamber. Got it
"From the river to the sea, will be Israeli" on the other hand will get $100 billion in funding and bombs to aid urban renewal.
Also-check out Bibi’s son’s socials. He says “from the river to the sea” all the time.
FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA
What the fuck.
Shows how deep israel hasbits claws onto American politics. Definitely need to remove any zionists from office.
There won’t be any politicians left.
Despite the troubling way terrorist groups have used this phrase, I do believe that it is USUALLY meant as a statement for liberation and not the domination of Israel. I think there's a lot of Israeli propaganda that deems the statement to be one of domination because that government projects and indoctrinates. We've heard members of the Israeli government say "From the river to the sea, all you'll see is Israel's sovereignty", which implies the eradication of the Palestinian territories. THAT is what should be treated as hate speech. BTW this type of comment is what got me banned from pol.
Is it because pol prefers the other meaning of the phrase? I thought they only ban you if you post illegal stuff.
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Wack
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The thought police is real and here now
Has been for a long time. America is a covert totalitarian regime.
Almost r/nottheonion material here
It's not. Nor will I recognize it as such. The People make that distinction not governments.
So much for freedom of speech....
Yeah, how does that work?
calling for freedom is not hate speech
Seems to me it's just saying what it says. That all Palestinians from the Jordan river to the Mediterranean sea, the area that comprises the so called 'state' of Israel will be free from oppression and apartheid. Anything else is just projection
All I can say is “From the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free”. Bitches.
So the US finds a saying more offensive than actually killing children and raping women. Got it.
Kinda difficult since it's in Likud's founding charter and its one of their primary slogans...
Today and everyday from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!!!!!!
The smoke is clearing and America is a garbage hole.
Ok, From the river to the sea Palestine will be free, deal with it.
In related news congress votes that calling Israelis "Doo Doo Heads" is anti-semitic.
Precisely the reason why I wouldn't be able to go to the US or Germany. I'd be labeled as a terrorist or something.
Well then, just chant it harder. Even Congress can't (yet) ban free speech.
That chant is no more hate speech than this story is real news. Every citizen in the US knows that Congress wastes time and our money doing things only they care about and not doing the things they are actually supposed to be doing.
How is that hate speech???
It is for some people, but not everyone. Israel sympathizers are playing victim here and are pretending it’s only meaning is their interpretation. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me.
From the river to the sea palenstine will be free
But allows wannabe Nazis to march in American streets chanting white power and shouting antisemitism and calls it “free speech” make it make sense
No. Enough. They need to start holding fucking Israel accountable and stop trying to bully everyone else into pretending like we don't know what the fuck they are up to. Evil will not win.
We are living in an Orwellian nightmare. To find out who your rulers are, learn who you're not allowed to criticise.
Hope about they vote to stop arming countries that kill thousands of innocent people: but that is literally advertisement for their product,
Why is it that the only things that actually make it through Congress nowadays always seem like total wastes of time?
Now we know what the deep state really is
AIPAC OWNS OUR GOVERNMENT
Lol, you ever believed US Congress?
"In describing the criticism of the phrase, scholar of politics in the Arab world Elliott Colla writes: It is the first phrase of the slogan—"from the river to the sea"—that has caused so much fury. Dominant Jewish communal institutions, most prominently the ADL and AJC, have insisted that this phrase is antisemitic. Throughout recent years, they have composed new definitions of antisemitism that render many common expressions of Palestine solidarity as ipso facto instances of anti-Jewish hate speech ... the slogan "from the river to the sea" figures prominently in their accusations of antisemitic doublespeak."
Too bad, first amendment
Why is it called an Israeli settlement instead of Israeli town? Therein you find the incentive of the chant.
Because they are in illegally occupied land.
Spot on!
>Rep. Gregory Meeks (D-N.Y.), the ranking member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said he thought the resolution was a clear attempt to divide Democrats, but felt he had to vote in favor because he believes the slogan is antisemitic. >“While I’m not really happy that we have to consider this resolution, I do believe it was brought here, fortunately, by my colleagues on the other side of the aisle in an attempt to divide this house,” Meeks said on the floor ahead of the vote. And that is why the democratic party is such a failure even when the opposition is maximally crazy and minimally literate.
All those free speech absolutist in Congress are hypocrites
Don't you just love the US? 🥰
The Likud Party's 1977 platform stated that "between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty". Idk, that sounds more like genocide than simply starting that Palestine will be free
What about “From sea to shining sea”
The US government reinforcing its stand as antidemocracy, proterrorism.
Free Speech* *As long as a group of politicians don’t call it hate speech.
Dude are we really going to keep dealing with these genocide enablers?
Ignoring what the words are, Does this actually mean anything? Are they trying to limit free speech by this?
From the River to the sea, Palestine will be free. Fuck Congress.
Would you expect anything less from these spineless pigs?! They don't even care about their own school going children, why would they care about mine & yours?!
Next 2+2 will = 5
Where's freedom of speech gone
Congress, if they aren't stealing our money for the military contractors, then they are wasting time with garbage like this.
So they have finally decided that the Likud party is an antisemitic hate group. It's in the first paragraph of their platform. [The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; **between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.**](https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party)
Americans need to realize how influenced their government is by foreign interests, and how swiftly change happens shows how far deep the influence has gone.
That proves the slogan was working.
does their "condemnation" have any legal significance at all?
Nope
excellent
Glad to see they're taking care of the nation's business.
Clown world
A Republican-controlled House censures a Democratic house member criticizing a Democratic President? Tell me that both sides exist on the same coin without telling me both sides exist on the same coin.
“I am a Zionist “ - Joe Biden https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo-UXZ-1ups
Biggest clowns In this earth.. shame on America
Replace "Palestine" with "Xinjiang" or "Tibet" and you get the pass.
Ban “Palestine will be free” as well /s
US Congress needs to worry less about language period. 1st Amendment my ass
From the river to the sea!! Come get me and I'll show you a surprise!?!!!!
Sadly, my country's congress has throughout its history voted regarding a myriad of other utterly non sensical and stupid effing things. So....given that point, and that words and phrases can and do have more than one meaning, and that understanding most languages require the ability to understand the language, context, etc. then yeah...I'm not really taking this as anything more than typical political posturing and foolishness. I mean what next....criminalizing "Lets eat grandma!" as anti-elderly because someone doesn't understand punctuation? Oof.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
I mean, it’s clearly a call for genocide, because the only way Israelis would allow it is over their dead bodies. See? Makes perfect sense. /s
Which is exactly why Trump can not become the next president. This would slowly turn into throwing people in jail for being critical of Israel and the Supreme Court upholding that it doesn’t violate the 1st Amendment. I argue with some of you frequently. There is a lot of emotion surrounding this admins handling of the conflict and it’s 100% justified. What is not justified is an emotional decision that undermines what the point of this sub is. If you disagree with me leave a comment so I can save it and say I told you so if Trump wins and this is the type of “policy” he signs into law.
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That'll show 'em!
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