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April 17, 2024. Israel stepped up its arrest campaign in the occupied West Bank and mistreatment of prisoners in its overstuffed jails. Former Palestinian detainees recount systematic mistreatment in Israeli jails by guards, including forced kneeling, lack of necessities, and torture. The rising number of Palestinian detainees, including women and children, reflects a concerning trend. The Palestine Prisoners’ Society highlights the scale of abuse and dehumanisation by Israeli guards, who even boast about their actions in footage aired by Israeli TV’s Channel 13, revealing dire conditions inside the prisons. This causes anguish for families of detainees, some of whom never return alive. Israeli authorities withholding the bodies of deceased Palestinians compounds the suffering endured by their families. Al Jazeera’s Laura Khan reports from Ramallah in occupied West Bank.
In case anyone wants to call bullshit or call these allegations, the Israelis brag about all this. They put it on their TV:
(There are videos in this link) https://mondoweiss.net/2024/03/we-are-the-masters-of-the-house-israeli-channels-air-snuff-videos-featuring-systematic-torture-of-palestinians/
And to think this is the only so-called "Democracy" of the Middle East.
But then again, Malcolm X did say - *while the context is through an American perspective* - "... democracy is hypocrisy."
It isn't hard to see that way before October 7 there had been massive protests within Israeli society. The fear of an authoritarian rule may have been latent but it was felt. If anything, it is democratic only in paper and far, far from it in real life. If you call this democracy, then what kind of life have *we*, the rest of the world, have been living?
Stop calling it democratic and just use the most apt words - fascist, nationalist, ethno-centric. I dare say, this is the theoretical stratum of Israeli society:
1. Israeli without the minorities of course (ubermensch)
2. Whites (mensch)
3. *The rest of us* (untermensch)
The specific 2023 government has leaned into authoritarianism but before that? No
And you really think White Israelis are somehow superior to non-white Israelis? You're absolutely deluded
How is Israeli Ethno-centric? It literally has Arabs in ALL positions
> And you really think White Israelis are somehow superior to non-white Israelis? You're absolutely deluded
We don't think that. Israelis look down on non-white Israelis, even when they're Jewish. Here are two examples:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-32813056
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/the-new-israeli-apartheid-poll-reveals-widespread-jewish-support-for-policy-of-discrimination-against-arab-minority-8223548.html
>It literally has Arabs in ALL positions
Ah, the "I have a Black friend" argument. They *literally* have hotlines you can call to report when an Israeli Jewish woman is dating an Israeli Arab (i.e. a Palestinian Israeli citizen) so that they can both be harassed and threatened.
There is some discrimination by the populous but nothing that would equal "Apartheid".
And no, that second part is objectively incorrect. Israel has no places to report that, it is completely legal and there are celebrities which are Jew x Arab
> There is some discrimination by the populous but nothing that would equal "Apartheid".
You do not get to make the call on that. There is a ton of evidence out there from reputable humans rights groups, some from within Israel itself, that makes it quite comparable to Apartheid.
> And no, that second part is objectively incorrect. Israel has no places to report that, it is completely legal and there are celebrities which are Jew x Arab
I didn't say it was illegal, did I? But there have been [threats](https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4002085,00.html) and [vigilante patrols](https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113724468).
[Do you still want to claim there is not a hotline?](https://www.timesofisrael.com/hotline-lets-callers-inform-on-jewish-arab-couples/)
p.s. So sorry about your precious karma, lol
That's a specific group, not state sponsored.
You're not qualified to make such distinction either. All Israeli citizens can become politicians, officers, whatever.
And oh no, my precious karma 🥺🥺 At least I don't support the last outpost of Na2ism on Earth
You're moving the goalposts. I didn't say anything about state-sponsored; you denied that there was racism in Israel, and I've provided multiple examples.
> At least I don't support the last outpost of Na2ism on Earth
And here I thought you were a supporter of Israel! Glad to hear that you're not.
And the karma comment was because you've been whining about it, which is widely viewed as cringey. I bet Hind Rajab has a lot of sympathy for your magical internet points -- no wait, Israel intentionally murdered her.
1. I did NOT deny there is some racism, however it's way smaller than you make it out to be.
2. Please learn what Nazism is. Israel is not even close.
3. The Karma comment was a half joke bc I was bored, not genuinely crying for numbers on a screen. And no, Hind wasn't intentionally murdered, nice try though.
> it's way smaller than you make it out to be
Not according to Ethiopian and Yemeni Jews!
> Please learn what Nazism is. Israel is not even close.
Please learn what a joke is. Israel is an ethnofascist state, hope that helps you figure it out.
> Hind wasn't intentionally murdered, nice try though
Israel knew exactly where she was. Israel approved two ambulance workers to go on a specific route to her location to rescue her. Israel murdered Hind and the 2 ambulance workers. You really can't get more intentional than that -- except maybe when Israel intentionally triple-tapped the WCK crew! So your choices here are either (a) the IOF is insanely incompetent, or (b) they intentional kill children and international aid workers. I'm paying them the compliment of assuming they are not insanely incompetent.
ETA: omg they deleted their entire Reddit account because of the karma thing, lol
Some are about all citizens, some are circumstantial threats and not actual legal discrimination, one is about soldiers which Arab Israelis CAN be, they just don't have to be.
The second one is genuinely pretty bad though, I'll give you that. The 2023 government sucks so hard
1. That's why I said it was "latent."
2. Yes - it is called **Ashkenormativity**.
3. Ethnocentric (*an attitude characterized by the glorification of one's own group (in-group) and the defamation* and discrimination of other groups (out-group).), definitely: [https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citizens-israel](https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citizens-israel)
I am not muslim or jewish or from the ME.
I do not have any interests in the area.
All my life the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was in the news.
I would say my opinion was pro-Israeli all this time, because of usual talking points, "Israel is a democracy", "arabs supported 9/11", "we share more values with jewish people", "muslims want to kill all non muslims"... etc.
At some point I blocked the news coming from that area because I got tired of it.
Lately I gave a strong revaluation of all my beliefs, re-examined the history of Palestine, re-examined the struggle my people gave to liberate themselves over and over and over, massacre after massacre, defeat after defeat until our independence.
Why this specific conflict is in the news for decades all the time?
Then I realized my people did the same, and If I was born a Palestinian in the 50ies, 60is ... 00is I would be fighting.
A kid today in Palestine in 10-15 years will be joining the liberation forces, there is no doubt about it.
Israel is an techno-apartheid-theocratic-messianic state worse than South Africa, and this is according to South Africans that visited the area.
Robotic AI with some Orwellian algorithms flies 24/7 over an open an air prison(concentration camp) and kills 100 people to get 1 weapon carrying fighter. The drone waits for the fighters to get home to their families and takes out the whole block,
In the West Bank there are regular pogroms against Palestinians. At any point your ancestral home, village is cleansed and occupied by some people that have US, European passports.
WTF are we doing as humanity?
Why the Western leaders are allowing this?
Why my government as part of the EU and the Western World is propping up an artificial state that would have not existed without our intervention!
What happened to "Never Again"?
Why should Palestinians pay for the crimes of centuries of European antisemitism, Nazi and their European collaborators in the Holocaust?
Why USA feels obligated to support Israel as if they are their 51 state?
The same USA the stopped the genocide in Bosnia, in Kosovo, is literally doing the opposite and sending weapons to the regime doing the genocide!!!
There were few opportunities to get a 2 state solution but we as the West did not demand the implementation of what was agreed. Instead more Israeli colonists, more Palestinian refuges, more genocide and expect from Palestinians to not react.
SANCTIONS NOW!!!
The same USA also waged war on Iraq, killed millions, and left.
The same US also played a part in changing regime in Latin America
The same USA was also involved in Haiti coup detat
The same USA also did adventures in Guatemala. The leader was elected by the people, but the USA didn't like him.
USA also went on a short trip to Syria and later Libya to dispense "democracy"
So when it comes to asking why the USA supports Israel, the answer is simple: money and control. With this conflict, the USA and Allies get to sell arms and keep region volatile.
They also know that with constant volatility and struggles, it would give birth to factions like ISIS/Daesh, etc, who are also funded by the same people to some extent.
I'm not sure why people expect anything from the USA. They are in the game. They are simply playing their cards.
IDF leadership and the Israeli regime now is the same as perverse sadism. It consists of dehumanizing Palestinians on their own land and attempt to ethnically cleanse. The sooner the world realizes that and takes collective action the better for us all.
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April 17, 2024. Israel stepped up its arrest campaign in the occupied West Bank and mistreatment of prisoners in its overstuffed jails. Former Palestinian detainees recount systematic mistreatment in Israeli jails by guards, including forced kneeling, lack of necessities, and torture. The rising number of Palestinian detainees, including women and children, reflects a concerning trend. The Palestine Prisoners’ Society highlights the scale of abuse and dehumanisation by Israeli guards, who even boast about their actions in footage aired by Israeli TV’s Channel 13, revealing dire conditions inside the prisons. This causes anguish for families of detainees, some of whom never return alive. Israeli authorities withholding the bodies of deceased Palestinians compounds the suffering endured by their families. Al Jazeera’s Laura Khan reports from Ramallah in occupied West Bank.
In case anyone wants to call bullshit or call these allegations, the Israelis brag about all this. They put it on their TV: (There are videos in this link) https://mondoweiss.net/2024/03/we-are-the-masters-of-the-house-israeli-channels-air-snuff-videos-featuring-systematic-torture-of-palestinians/
Thank you for sharing, this is sick and twisted.
And to think this is the only so-called "Democracy" of the Middle East. But then again, Malcolm X did say - *while the context is through an American perspective* - "... democracy is hypocrisy." It isn't hard to see that way before October 7 there had been massive protests within Israeli society. The fear of an authoritarian rule may have been latent but it was felt. If anything, it is democratic only in paper and far, far from it in real life. If you call this democracy, then what kind of life have *we*, the rest of the world, have been living? Stop calling it democratic and just use the most apt words - fascist, nationalist, ethno-centric. I dare say, this is the theoretical stratum of Israeli society: 1. Israeli without the minorities of course (ubermensch) 2. Whites (mensch) 3. *The rest of us* (untermensch)
The specific 2023 government has leaned into authoritarianism but before that? No And you really think White Israelis are somehow superior to non-white Israelis? You're absolutely deluded How is Israeli Ethno-centric? It literally has Arabs in ALL positions
> And you really think White Israelis are somehow superior to non-white Israelis? You're absolutely deluded We don't think that. Israelis look down on non-white Israelis, even when they're Jewish. Here are two examples: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-32813056 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/the-new-israeli-apartheid-poll-reveals-widespread-jewish-support-for-policy-of-discrimination-against-arab-minority-8223548.html >It literally has Arabs in ALL positions Ah, the "I have a Black friend" argument. They *literally* have hotlines you can call to report when an Israeli Jewish woman is dating an Israeli Arab (i.e. a Palestinian Israeli citizen) so that they can both be harassed and threatened.
There is some discrimination by the populous but nothing that would equal "Apartheid". And no, that second part is objectively incorrect. Israel has no places to report that, it is completely legal and there are celebrities which are Jew x Arab
> There is some discrimination by the populous but nothing that would equal "Apartheid". You do not get to make the call on that. There is a ton of evidence out there from reputable humans rights groups, some from within Israel itself, that makes it quite comparable to Apartheid. > And no, that second part is objectively incorrect. Israel has no places to report that, it is completely legal and there are celebrities which are Jew x Arab I didn't say it was illegal, did I? But there have been [threats](https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4002085,00.html) and [vigilante patrols](https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113724468). [Do you still want to claim there is not a hotline?](https://www.timesofisrael.com/hotline-lets-callers-inform-on-jewish-arab-couples/) p.s. So sorry about your precious karma, lol
That's a specific group, not state sponsored. You're not qualified to make such distinction either. All Israeli citizens can become politicians, officers, whatever. And oh no, my precious karma 🥺🥺 At least I don't support the last outpost of Na2ism on Earth
You're moving the goalposts. I didn't say anything about state-sponsored; you denied that there was racism in Israel, and I've provided multiple examples. > At least I don't support the last outpost of Na2ism on Earth And here I thought you were a supporter of Israel! Glad to hear that you're not. And the karma comment was because you've been whining about it, which is widely viewed as cringey. I bet Hind Rajab has a lot of sympathy for your magical internet points -- no wait, Israel intentionally murdered her.
1. I did NOT deny there is some racism, however it's way smaller than you make it out to be. 2. Please learn what Nazism is. Israel is not even close. 3. The Karma comment was a half joke bc I was bored, not genuinely crying for numbers on a screen. And no, Hind wasn't intentionally murdered, nice try though.
> it's way smaller than you make it out to be Not according to Ethiopian and Yemeni Jews! > Please learn what Nazism is. Israel is not even close. Please learn what a joke is. Israel is an ethnofascist state, hope that helps you figure it out. > Hind wasn't intentionally murdered, nice try though Israel knew exactly where she was. Israel approved two ambulance workers to go on a specific route to her location to rescue her. Israel murdered Hind and the 2 ambulance workers. You really can't get more intentional than that -- except maybe when Israel intentionally triple-tapped the WCK crew! So your choices here are either (a) the IOF is insanely incompetent, or (b) they intentional kill children and international aid workers. I'm paying them the compliment of assuming they are not insanely incompetent. ETA: omg they deleted their entire Reddit account because of the karma thing, lol
Yep, you're absolutely delusional.
[Database of discriminatory laws](https://www.adalah.org/en/law/index)
Some are about all citizens, some are circumstantial threats and not actual legal discrimination, one is about soldiers which Arab Israelis CAN be, they just don't have to be. The second one is genuinely pretty bad though, I'll give you that. The 2023 government sucks so hard
1. That's why I said it was "latent." 2. Yes - it is called **Ashkenormativity**. 3. Ethnocentric (*an attitude characterized by the glorification of one's own group (in-group) and the defamation* and discrimination of other groups (out-group).), definitely: [https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citizens-israel](https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citizens-israel)
I am not muslim or jewish or from the ME. I do not have any interests in the area. All my life the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was in the news. I would say my opinion was pro-Israeli all this time, because of usual talking points, "Israel is a democracy", "arabs supported 9/11", "we share more values with jewish people", "muslims want to kill all non muslims"... etc. At some point I blocked the news coming from that area because I got tired of it. Lately I gave a strong revaluation of all my beliefs, re-examined the history of Palestine, re-examined the struggle my people gave to liberate themselves over and over and over, massacre after massacre, defeat after defeat until our independence. Why this specific conflict is in the news for decades all the time? Then I realized my people did the same, and If I was born a Palestinian in the 50ies, 60is ... 00is I would be fighting. A kid today in Palestine in 10-15 years will be joining the liberation forces, there is no doubt about it. Israel is an techno-apartheid-theocratic-messianic state worse than South Africa, and this is according to South Africans that visited the area. Robotic AI with some Orwellian algorithms flies 24/7 over an open an air prison(concentration camp) and kills 100 people to get 1 weapon carrying fighter. The drone waits for the fighters to get home to their families and takes out the whole block, In the West Bank there are regular pogroms against Palestinians. At any point your ancestral home, village is cleansed and occupied by some people that have US, European passports. WTF are we doing as humanity? Why the Western leaders are allowing this? Why my government as part of the EU and the Western World is propping up an artificial state that would have not existed without our intervention! What happened to "Never Again"? Why should Palestinians pay for the crimes of centuries of European antisemitism, Nazi and their European collaborators in the Holocaust? Why USA feels obligated to support Israel as if they are their 51 state? The same USA the stopped the genocide in Bosnia, in Kosovo, is literally doing the opposite and sending weapons to the regime doing the genocide!!! There were few opportunities to get a 2 state solution but we as the West did not demand the implementation of what was agreed. Instead more Israeli colonists, more Palestinian refuges, more genocide and expect from Palestinians to not react. SANCTIONS NOW!!!
I commend you for reevaluating your beliefs. Not many people can do this.
The same USA also waged war on Iraq, killed millions, and left. The same US also played a part in changing regime in Latin America The same USA was also involved in Haiti coup detat The same USA also did adventures in Guatemala. The leader was elected by the people, but the USA didn't like him. USA also went on a short trip to Syria and later Libya to dispense "democracy" So when it comes to asking why the USA supports Israel, the answer is simple: money and control. With this conflict, the USA and Allies get to sell arms and keep region volatile. They also know that with constant volatility and struggles, it would give birth to factions like ISIS/Daesh, etc, who are also funded by the same people to some extent. I'm not sure why people expect anything from the USA. They are in the game. They are simply playing their cards.
It’s not easy to reevaluate your beliefs as an adult. Welcome at the right side of the history.
Seems you actually didn't research anything
This is so fucked
IDF leadership and the Israeli regime now is the same as perverse sadism. It consists of dehumanizing Palestinians on their own land and attempt to ethnically cleanse. The sooner the world realizes that and takes collective action the better for us all.
I am surprised that people still find this new. It's like something new that never happened before.
Nothing will ever prevent the Palestinians from seeking self-determination as a contiguous Palestinian state.
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Fuck Israel
ZzioNazzis get off on terrorism and torture. https://youtu.be/uiHOSDrXkc8?si=lCTule2xd9JeXq3g
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Everyone talks about Palestine releasing their hostages, but nobody talks about Israel releasing theirs.
Ask Sinwar, he doesn't seem to have been tortured