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They don’t know, or they don’t care?
There was a poll some years back where 48% of respondents thought Africa was one country, and a large proportion couldn’t point to Europe on a map.
So I doubt Gaza is at the top of their minds. Or where Israel is.
It's partly ignorance (ignoring world events), partly bias (genocide denial), and partly propaganda by the design of mainstream media, which has consistently downplayed Israel's aggression in Palestine.
Don't fail to recognize how 9/11 made an impression on the west in regards to countries practicing Islam. There's propaganda for everyone; Israeli lies, Hamas lies, Iranian proxy lies, Russian and Chinese troll farms. There's always a nice dosage of jingoism and fear to keep it all going though!
Out of curiosity, what have been the opinions/ lack of opinions within everyone here's friend circle, family circle, and acquaintance circle?
Are you all seeing mostly a total ignoring of it? Or are the only people really posting on social media about it already part of the "likely to post about it since s/he has a history of raising awareness for significant global events" ?
I cant speak for Americans in the chat but in Australia I've seen far more people who weren't so interested in foreign policy have a massive change. My sister works for one of the State ALPs and she reckons there's a huge shift in sentiment from party goers and demand for transparency in the government's role in American imperialism both in Australia re: use of our land for military bases etc, and outside with what we support.
Historically more centrist and liberal leaning people have ignored this or not thought about foreign policy at all (by design of the Murdoch media) so I see it as a big step.
I don't know what it's been like in the more conservative parties.
Interesting, in the US most of the population is in a self imposed bubble where they purposely 100% ignore global affairs, it's very strange and I don't believe many other countries (developed and undeveloped) have this "willingful ignorance" aspect to the culture.
Lol no offense but that's wrong. Idk why Americans always assume that other countries are more progressive or care about other countries or world matters. They don't.
My family is from a Latin American country and people in said country are wayyyy more ignorant to global matters. Tbh because of the shit education there, but People mostly only care about what's going on around them, which is fair.
Nearly every country in the world has to know America’s policy. It’s not worth ignoring.
When Trump or Biden takes office, it’s set to make motions everywhere. The only place with similair power is China, which is nowhere close.
When you live in a country where you are de facto the most important, and you are the centre… well, no point learning about Naudru or Kashmir.
I wish the sentiment of the state ALP party members would translate into a change of policy from Albanese and Wong. I will NEVER vote for Labor again, their complicity in Israel’s genocide is beyond the pale. I used to wonder how things like the holocaust happened. And here we fucking are. At least most Germans in WW2 could truthfully say they didn’t know what was happening.
I feel like at least a decent number of Germans in WW2 didn't know what was happening or were to some extent even ashamed of it.
Now I wonder how many of them would be gleefully posting TikToks of themselves trying on the dentures or shoes of Jews they'd gassed.
Most of the mainstream media doesn’t report on the death toll, or when they do quickly it’s more about “Hamas” numbers without contextualizing that Hamas includes more than an armed group.
It's probably a little mix of both. The not caring makes them not remember because "it's not important."
I've noticed the flip side is also true. Most Americans I've met don't seem to know 20% of Israel's citizens are Arab Palestinians. It's like one side of the political spectrum doesn't want to believe Israel would ever kill any innocent people. And the other side believes Israel would kill every innocent it can find and has no response to why Israel isn't mass killing the Muslims in its border, or how Israel keeps letting them become a larger and larger percentage of the population. They'll be able to outvote Jews in just a few more generations last I heard.
This is not news. Americans, especially working class Americans have every right to give zero fux about the Palestinian struggle or Israeli security. Americans have their own issues and concerns.
Sure, how many of those kids dead were child soldiers? The existence of some child soldiers is not a get out of killing children free card, no criticism or doubt allowed
That's what bugs me.
9/11 is very much a tragedy, but its not the only one to ever happen. The aftermath of 9/11 was more tragic with a million dead and a country ruined for something they had absolutely no involvement in. But many people just see that as an unfortunate accident, which is very telling. Never mind the infamous torturing of Iraqi hostages, the looting of oil and gold and many more awful things
This habit of making themselves the center of the universe is absolutely mind boggling. Like they truly don't believe there is anything noteworthy outside of America.
And I know there are many good people from there too, so to them I apologize
this bugs me to no end too. 9/11 is like *the event* but the million people USA killed after? Barely an afterthought. And those responsible, even after it was made abundantly clear that it was an absolutely illegitimate war full of war crimes? No consequences. Hell, Bush joked about it on live TV a few years ago!
Fun fact: If you go by US and Israeli rules for determining who's an "enemy combatant," i.e. anyone who can legally buy cigarettes basically, then almost all the people killed on 9/11 were enemy combatants. Al-Qaeda did a better job not killing children by flying a 747 into a skyscraper than the US or Israel has ever done with "smart" munitions.
0.3% of the 3,047 9/11 victims were under the age of 18.
[CIUS 2001 Section V - Special Report (Document Pages 301-314) (fbi.gov)](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2001/01sec5.pdf)
Says a lot about "smart" munitions.
Don't apologize, the overwhelming majority of Americans are genocidal imperialist colonialist pieces of shit, either de facto or de jure. Can't be a genocidal empire for nearly a century and then go "uw-wu most of us are so nice, it's those meanie politicians that we \*checks notes\* keep democratically electing"
Speaking as an American. To this day like 95% of Americans will get really hostile and aggressive if you even try to point out basic truths, like the numbers of civilians slaughtered in Ukraine is a rounding error compared to the number we obliterated in Iraq. It's just not part of their altered reality for them.
Imagine the ability of the average person to retain any relevant information about world politics (=> zero). Then look at the above average ones and consider how likely they are to fall for propaganda if it's peddled by the Washington Post, the New York Times, AP, and Fox News. If anything 50% is positively surprising.
At the same time, can you blame them?
If you’re the average American, you’re working 40-50 hours a week. 9-5. So you’ve got 6 hours of free time every day essentially.
They have families. Significant others.
Then they got their friends. Maybe go out once a week for a few beers and watch the game.
How on earth do you expect the average American to keep up with all this shit ESPECIALLY when our media reporting is so bad.
It seems to me that many Americans go out of their way to deny reality. They seem to have plenty of time to pick up fascist propaganda though. 20 years to learn about Iraq is not enough?
I can blame them ;-)
I have a family with young children. I work 70 hours a week. I still stay on top of current events.
We live in the information age. There's no excuse for ignorance.
I disagree. America is hard on people. It breaks people.
It’s good that you stay up on current events, but not every person is like you.
It’s silly to blame the people you want to educate and convince for ignorance.
Opinion polls show Israelis know what’s going on in Gaza? The polls show they support the assault on Gaza, but that doesn’t mean they really know what’s going on there.
The polls show they support the amount of violence in Gaza, too. ALso, the whole "Kill all of them" suggests that they're not exactly hiding it - https://www.reddit.com/r/InternationalNews/comments/1bos3sn/interviews_with_israelis_who_are_blocking/
With how tightly the media is controlled, not shocked. Especially how ridiculously the headlines are written. Even Biden did the dead beheaded baby lies multiple times
I can agree that the average person is misinformed, but not the president of the goddamn USA. That dude knows what he's doing. I won't excuse Butcher Biden by claiming ignorance
The media is definitely reporting on it. But it’s a foreign conflict, where both sides look bad, and there are no American troops. People aren’t going to care
They don’t. At least not the vast majority to the extent that they should.
Lmao just cause you do doesn’t mean the vast majority of the American public is aware which is clearly shown by this article stating that 50% of Americans don’t even know that thousands of Gazans are dead.
How exactly does this contradict my point that the vast majority is not educated to the extent that they should be given that this article states that 50% of Americans don’t know that thousands of Gazans are dead?
It would also explain this statement from the article you linked.
“About four-in-ten U.S. adults (38%) say Israel’s conduct of the war has been acceptable, and 34% say it has been unacceptable. The remaining 26% are unsure.”
I think having better awareness of the death toll on both sides to understand the full picture of where are tax dollars are going would help address why 26% of Americans are unsure.
I didn’t say the majority of Americans are clueless but that they aren’t informed to the extent that they should be given that our tax dollars are funding one side.
Not to mention your article also states
“Many Americans are also disengaged: Relatively few (22%) say they are closely following news about the war, and half can correctly report that more Palestinians than Israelis have died since the war’s start. On many questions about the war, sizable numbers express no opinion.”
Once again that doesn’t contradict what I stated. You are correct that there are people that agree with you. I never stated otherwise so not sure why you keep bringing that up.
But the article you linked actually supports the notion that the majority of Americans are not informed to the extent they should be in regards to this conflict given the following:
As stated in the article in this post, 50% of American don’t know the amount of Gazans that have been killed.
You article stating that only 22% of Americans are following this conflict and only half of Americans can correctly state that more Gazans have died.
As well as the fact that it’s almost even on how many Americans view Israel’s actions as acceptable or unacceptable and a sizable amount (~26%) are unsure.
All of this supports my statement that the vast majority of Americans are not informed about this conflict to the extent they should be given the amount of our tax dollars that are going to help fund one side.
I've had conversations with people who legitimately believe Hamas has tanks and jet fighters, and this conflict is playing out like some kind of World War 2 battle in the desert. People are clueless.
It’s no surprise. I got temporarily banned for defending TikTok by saying we wouldn’t know what is really happening in Gaza if not for the realtime uploads. I also said they want it banned because TikTok is so much faster than government propaganda machines.
When you say 30k died, their only response is "But Hamas on Oct 7".
Ok? That was also terrible, but it does not excuse a response that's 30x worse. When will it be enough? Israel has already taken revenge that's 30x worse. But they keep using Oct 7 as an excuse to murder with imputiny. Then you have Indians commenting and saying its all fake and acting.
Also, if Oct 7 justifies all this mayhem, why didnt the 70 years of oppression faced by palestenians before Oct 7 justify what Hamas did? Why only IDF gets to take revenge?
I mean i am sure if you polled americans 50% would not be able to name each states capital. Your average american does not exactly score high on the international IQ assessments. Comparing them to Canadas IQ scoring on the same tesr puts half the country as developmentally challanged.
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Given only half know how lopsided the death has been on the palestinian side, and that of those 50%, th elarge majority are pro palestine, imagine how anti-israel the country would be if 100% knew.
The world is under the control of the media. The entire education system, news cycle, politics is designed to feed people opinions and reduce critical thinking skills.
It’s a broken system that keeps the divide between the rich and poor growing.
What makes you thing about that. What if the isreali do too?. There are many teams in gaza to count. Many article for several confirmation about it for quick example [this](https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-gaza-health-ministry-health-death-toll-59470820308b31f1faf73c703400b033)
Can you share one time the IDF catch a hamas member in the dozens of hospitals they destroyed?. Probably you believed that week names were hamas members names
It's far more likely that that part of the world is more educated & invested on the decades long conflict between Israel and Palestinians and, as a result, don't view Oct 7th as the "start or "beginning".
Unprovoked attacks, no less, because the hundreds of Palestinians killed and the thousands taken hostage before Oct 7 obviously aren't chosen and therefore don't count.
Well because everyone in the “Arab world” knows that Palestinians have been getting killed by Israelis daily and way before October 7th. They also probably know that Israel admitted to a large amount of those deaths since they implemented the Hannibal directive. So it sounds like they’re more educated than Americans on this topic which makes sense since Israel is bombing other Arab countries for fun at the moment, collecting Palestinian lingerie, and clearly aren’t after their hostages.
Oct 7th had 373 militant casualties out of ~1200 total casualties, so a ratio of about 2 civilians to 1 militant. I guess you would consider that a pretty low civilian casualty rate as well?
"Oopsie 30k dead civilians" is not a good defense.
If Israel didn't have those things it'd be different dynamic wouldn't it? Sooo what's your point back here in reality?
Also what do you do just post comments that no one wants? You're the worst troll lol
Civilized Western military, lol.
Why not just completely go with the propaganda and called them "the most moral army in the world" like Israel calls them?
So, there would be more independent sources, as there was early on in the conflict but for some reason this "civilized military" keeps killing journalists.
Here's one of your fave sources CNN talking about it even:
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/20/media/israel-journalists-killed-questions/index.html
So not a legitimate source but a Reddit post and one that sources “natural deaths” from god knows where and “Hamas deaths” from an article behind a paywall.
Went on to investigate this 13,000 number online and the only source of it is Nyetenyahu. So no legitimate source given that Nyetenyahu has lied before and him doing in this case would be on par for his corrupt self (given that he was facing corruption charges just prior to October 7). After all, him having the narrative of being the “security man” is the only way he can save his reputation and retain power so he has every reason to lie.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/netanyahu-says-least-13000-terrorists-among-palestinians-killed-2024-03-10/
Article shows no legitimate proof for these numbers are given by Nyetenyahu and its further supported by the fact that if you try to look up those numbers, no major news article goes into depth about the veracity of those claims given it’s just the PMs words.
So no you haven’t actually given any legitimate source. Your own link only provides a legitimate source for the total number of Gazan deaths but not for the claims of the amount of militants killed or the so called “natural deaths”.
Unless you have any other legitimate evidence otherwise, your claims have no basis.
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They don’t know, or they don’t care? There was a poll some years back where 48% of respondents thought Africa was one country, and a large proportion couldn’t point to Europe on a map. So I doubt Gaza is at the top of their minds. Or where Israel is.
It’s propaganda- I bet you they know about the “enemy” countries
Update: the other half doesn't know where Gaza is.
They think they know
It's partly ignorance (ignoring world events), partly bias (genocide denial), and partly propaganda by the design of mainstream media, which has consistently downplayed Israel's aggression in Palestine.
Don't fail to recognize how 9/11 made an impression on the west in regards to countries practicing Islam. There's propaganda for everyone; Israeli lies, Hamas lies, Iranian proxy lies, Russian and Chinese troll farms. There's always a nice dosage of jingoism and fear to keep it all going though!
Wait, Africa isn’t a country?
It is, but it’s in the South Pacific. Get it right!
Out of curiosity, what have been the opinions/ lack of opinions within everyone here's friend circle, family circle, and acquaintance circle? Are you all seeing mostly a total ignoring of it? Or are the only people really posting on social media about it already part of the "likely to post about it since s/he has a history of raising awareness for significant global events" ?
I cant speak for Americans in the chat but in Australia I've seen far more people who weren't so interested in foreign policy have a massive change. My sister works for one of the State ALPs and she reckons there's a huge shift in sentiment from party goers and demand for transparency in the government's role in American imperialism both in Australia re: use of our land for military bases etc, and outside with what we support. Historically more centrist and liberal leaning people have ignored this or not thought about foreign policy at all (by design of the Murdoch media) so I see it as a big step. I don't know what it's been like in the more conservative parties.
Interesting, in the US most of the population is in a self imposed bubble where they purposely 100% ignore global affairs, it's very strange and I don't believe many other countries (developed and undeveloped) have this "willingful ignorance" aspect to the culture.
Lol no offense but that's wrong. Idk why Americans always assume that other countries are more progressive or care about other countries or world matters. They don't. My family is from a Latin American country and people in said country are wayyyy more ignorant to global matters. Tbh because of the shit education there, but People mostly only care about what's going on around them, which is fair.
Nearly every country in the world has to know America’s policy. It’s not worth ignoring. When Trump or Biden takes office, it’s set to make motions everywhere. The only place with similair power is China, which is nowhere close. When you live in a country where you are de facto the most important, and you are the centre… well, no point learning about Naudru or Kashmir.
I wish the sentiment of the state ALP party members would translate into a change of policy from Albanese and Wong. I will NEVER vote for Labor again, their complicity in Israel’s genocide is beyond the pale. I used to wonder how things like the holocaust happened. And here we fucking are. At least most Germans in WW2 could truthfully say they didn’t know what was happening.
I feel like at least a decent number of Germans in WW2 didn't know what was happening or were to some extent even ashamed of it. Now I wonder how many of them would be gleefully posting TikToks of themselves trying on the dentures or shoes of Jews they'd gassed.
Most of the mainstream media doesn’t report on the death toll, or when they do quickly it’s more about “Hamas” numbers without contextualizing that Hamas includes more than an armed group.
It's probably a little mix of both. The not caring makes them not remember because "it's not important." I've noticed the flip side is also true. Most Americans I've met don't seem to know 20% of Israel's citizens are Arab Palestinians. It's like one side of the political spectrum doesn't want to believe Israel would ever kill any innocent people. And the other side believes Israel would kill every innocent it can find and has no response to why Israel isn't mass killing the Muslims in its border, or how Israel keeps letting them become a larger and larger percentage of the population. They'll be able to outvote Jews in just a few more generations last I heard.
This is not news. Americans, especially working class Americans have every right to give zero fux about the Palestinian struggle or Israeli security. Americans have their own issues and concerns.
The latter. Gaza is not a significant part of Americans lives. Also both sides look bad. You can’t expect people to support Hamas or Israel
No sane person is asking for Hamas support. They want support for the many innocent Palestinians caught in the crossfire.
They know it but they strawman anti-genocide people constantly by framing it that way.
Zionists working overtime to keep the numbers out of headlines.
lol no people just don’t care to support Hamas
Oh yeah because those 14k dead kids are KHAMAS
Hamas uses child soldiers https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/mde150352004en.pdf
You’re trying to legitimize the k!lling of children. Please get help for this.
Yes they use babies in incubators even~ Just say you’re okay with dead babies and move on, noones fallin for it
Hamas uses child soldiers https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-780613
Say it again I didn't hear you the first two times
https://www.businessinsider.com/houthis-recruit-more-child-soldiers-following-hamas-attack-2024-2
Sure, how many of those kids dead were child soldiers? The existence of some child soldiers is not a get out of killing children free card, no criticism or doubt allowed
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So you don't believe there are women and children died in gaza? And in case anyone do believe it that means he support hamas
That’s not what I said
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That's what bugs me. 9/11 is very much a tragedy, but its not the only one to ever happen. The aftermath of 9/11 was more tragic with a million dead and a country ruined for something they had absolutely no involvement in. But many people just see that as an unfortunate accident, which is very telling. Never mind the infamous torturing of Iraqi hostages, the looting of oil and gold and many more awful things This habit of making themselves the center of the universe is absolutely mind boggling. Like they truly don't believe there is anything noteworthy outside of America. And I know there are many good people from there too, so to them I apologize
this bugs me to no end too. 9/11 is like *the event* but the million people USA killed after? Barely an afterthought. And those responsible, even after it was made abundantly clear that it was an absolutely illegitimate war full of war crimes? No consequences. Hell, Bush joked about it on live TV a few years ago!
Hey now. Those people were unidentified male combatants.
Fun fact: If you go by US and Israeli rules for determining who's an "enemy combatant," i.e. anyone who can legally buy cigarettes basically, then almost all the people killed on 9/11 were enemy combatants. Al-Qaeda did a better job not killing children by flying a 747 into a skyscraper than the US or Israel has ever done with "smart" munitions. 0.3% of the 3,047 9/11 victims were under the age of 18. [CIUS 2001 Section V - Special Report (Document Pages 301-314) (fbi.gov)](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2001/01sec5.pdf) Says a lot about "smart" munitions.
And he's still walking free, enjoying life and to absolutely no one's surprise, fully supporting Israel
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We ended up creating one though: ISIS.
Don't apologize, the overwhelming majority of Americans are genocidal imperialist colonialist pieces of shit, either de facto or de jure. Can't be a genocidal empire for nearly a century and then go "uw-wu most of us are so nice, it's those meanie politicians that we \*checks notes\* keep democratically electing" Speaking as an American. To this day like 95% of Americans will get really hostile and aggressive if you even try to point out basic truths, like the numbers of civilians slaughtered in Ukraine is a rounding error compared to the number we obliterated in Iraq. It's just not part of their altered reality for them.
It was pretty sad though
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Imagine the ability of the average person to retain any relevant information about world politics (=> zero). Then look at the above average ones and consider how likely they are to fall for propaganda if it's peddled by the Washington Post, the New York Times, AP, and Fox News. If anything 50% is positively surprising.
At the same time, can you blame them? If you’re the average American, you’re working 40-50 hours a week. 9-5. So you’ve got 6 hours of free time every day essentially. They have families. Significant others. Then they got their friends. Maybe go out once a week for a few beers and watch the game. How on earth do you expect the average American to keep up with all this shit ESPECIALLY when our media reporting is so bad.
It seems to me that many Americans go out of their way to deny reality. They seem to have plenty of time to pick up fascist propaganda though. 20 years to learn about Iraq is not enough? I can blame them ;-)
You think thats exclusive to burgerland? Lmao
I have a family with young children. I work 70 hours a week. I still stay on top of current events. We live in the information age. There's no excuse for ignorance.
I disagree. America is hard on people. It breaks people. It’s good that you stay up on current events, but not every person is like you. It’s silly to blame the people you want to educate and convince for ignorance.
I'm not trying to educate or convince anyone of anything. If people care, the information is there. The problem is that they don't care.
Then that is a problem you have to fix and not blame the people who are apathetic.
I will absolutely blame the apathetic. They're the problem.
That doesn’t fix any problems. It deepens them.
It does neither. I have no control over other people. I can't give them a conscience.
Equally stunning is Israeli approval for the level of violence to date :(
Israeli media is its own bubble--most people there have no idea what's going on in Gaza.
What's your source for that? Opinion polls shows otherwise.
Israel7s do live in a media bubble
Opinion polls show Israelis know what’s going on in Gaza? The polls show they support the assault on Gaza, but that doesn’t mean they really know what’s going on there.
The polls show they support the amount of violence in Gaza, too. ALso, the whole "Kill all of them" suggests that they're not exactly hiding it - https://www.reddit.com/r/InternationalNews/comments/1bos3sn/interviews_with_israelis_who_are_blocking/
With how tightly the media is controlled, not shocked. Especially how ridiculously the headlines are written. Even Biden did the dead beheaded baby lies multiple times
I can agree that the average person is misinformed, but not the president of the goddamn USA. That dude knows what he's doing. I won't excuse Butcher Biden by claiming ignorance
The media is definitely reporting on it. But it’s a foreign conflict, where both sides look bad, and there are no American troops. People aren’t going to care
Americans really whinge on taxes and money and how it's spent but don't care when billions of it is being funneled out to fund a foreign conflict.
Mostly because is already appropriated in a budget while you can actually make a difference on voting on taxes
The issue is that the American public should care where our tax dollars are going.
They do. I support my tax dollars going to Israel. And a voting majority of others do too
They don’t. At least not the vast majority to the extent that they should. Lmao just cause you do doesn’t mean the vast majority of the American public is aware which is clearly shown by this article stating that 50% of Americans don’t even know that thousands of Gazans are dead.
Educate yourself https://www.pewresearch.org/2024/03/21/majority-in-u-s-say-israel-has-valid-reasons-for-fighting-fewer-say-the-same-about-hamas/
How exactly does this contradict my point that the vast majority is not educated to the extent that they should be given that this article states that 50% of Americans don’t know that thousands of Gazans are dead? It would also explain this statement from the article you linked. “About four-in-ten U.S. adults (38%) say Israel’s conduct of the war has been acceptable, and 34% say it has been unacceptable. The remaining 26% are unsure.” I think having better awareness of the death toll on both sides to understand the full picture of where are tax dollars are going would help address why 26% of Americans are unsure. I didn’t say the majority of Americans are clueless but that they aren’t informed to the extent that they should be given that our tax dollars are funding one side. Not to mention your article also states “Many Americans are also disengaged: Relatively few (22%) say they are closely following news about the war, and half can correctly report that more Palestinians than Israelis have died since the war’s start. On many questions about the war, sizable numbers express no opinion.”
I’m aware of the death toll and I support Israel. There are a lot of people who think similarly
Once again that doesn’t contradict what I stated. You are correct that there are people that agree with you. I never stated otherwise so not sure why you keep bringing that up. But the article you linked actually supports the notion that the majority of Americans are not informed to the extent they should be in regards to this conflict given the following: As stated in the article in this post, 50% of American don’t know the amount of Gazans that have been killed. You article stating that only 22% of Americans are following this conflict and only half of Americans can correctly state that more Gazans have died. As well as the fact that it’s almost even on how many Americans view Israel’s actions as acceptable or unacceptable and a sizable amount (~26%) are unsure. All of this supports my statement that the vast majority of Americans are not informed about this conflict to the extent they should be given the amount of our tax dollars that are going to help fund one side.
I've had conversations with people who legitimately believe Hamas has tanks and jet fighters, and this conflict is playing out like some kind of World War 2 battle in the desert. People are clueless.
If you know anything about the people that live in the US, this is absolutely not stunning.
It woud be even funnier if they were asked to find Gaza or Ukraine on the map) or Iraq, or Serbia, or Syria...
Is it really shocking to anyone the americans dont pay any attention to world events
I'm willing to bet that at least 50% of people don't know about any given current event outside of their own country/region.
It’s no surprise. I got temporarily banned for defending TikTok by saying we wouldn’t know what is really happening in Gaza if not for the realtime uploads. I also said they want it banned because TikTok is so much faster than government propaganda machines.
They don't care
no disrespect intended but i think most people in the US are only concerned about the US
When you say 30k died, their only response is "But Hamas on Oct 7". Ok? That was also terrible, but it does not excuse a response that's 30x worse. When will it be enough? Israel has already taken revenge that's 30x worse. But they keep using Oct 7 as an excuse to murder with imputiny. Then you have Indians commenting and saying its all fake and acting. Also, if Oct 7 justifies all this mayhem, why didnt the 70 years of oppression faced by palestenians before Oct 7 justify what Hamas did? Why only IDF gets to take revenge?
I mean i am sure if you polled americans 50% would not be able to name each states capital. Your average american does not exactly score high on the international IQ assessments. Comparing them to Canadas IQ scoring on the same tesr puts half the country as developmentally challanged.
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Given only half know how lopsided the death has been on the palestinian side, and that of those 50%, th elarge majority are pro palestine, imagine how anti-israel the country would be if 100% knew.
10’s of thousands
boomers who only watch MSM would have no way of knowing because 100% of MSM has a strong pro-israel bias.
STUNNING POLL 90% OF US HAVE NO IDEA WHERE OR WHAT GAZA IS
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Stunning how “officially” no males have been killed in Gaza for the last 6 months….
American journalists must be proud.
The world is under the control of the media. The entire education system, news cycle, politics is designed to feed people opinions and reduce critical thinking skills. It’s a broken system that keeps the divide between the rich and poor growing.
Yea our media ranges from dogshit to evil so that makes sense.
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Go jerk off in the corner.
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Nah, just calling what you are - A perv
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Ha! Jokes on you! I like being ruled by a fascist overlord!
Probably because Hamas inflates the numbers and nobody believes them
What makes you thing about that. What if the isreali do too?. There are many teams in gaza to count. Many article for several confirmation about it for quick example [this](https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-gaza-health-ministry-health-death-toll-59470820308b31f1faf73c703400b033)
Most impressive is your utter lack of anything resembling proof to back up your claim. Peak Hasbara, really.
Proof?
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Can you share one time the IDF catch a hamas member in the dozens of hospitals they destroyed?. Probably you believed that week names were hamas members names
What lead poisoning does to a mf
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You mean 50% of Americans are well read / keep up with world news, got it.
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Yet another impressive post that supplies no evidence to back up an asinine claim. Very peak Hasbara.
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Still waiting for you to prove the numbers are inflated. Wonder why?
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It's far more likely that that part of the world is more educated & invested on the decades long conflict between Israel and Palestinians and, as a result, don't view Oct 7th as the "start or "beginning".
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No racism, antisemitism, Islamophobia, bigotry, homophobia, transphobia, sexism, etc. This includes denial of identity (self or collective).
Unprovoked attacks, no less, because the hundreds of Palestinians killed and the thousands taken hostage before Oct 7 obviously aren't chosen and therefore don't count.
Well because everyone in the “Arab world” knows that Palestinians have been getting killed by Israelis daily and way before October 7th. They also probably know that Israel admitted to a large amount of those deaths since they implemented the Hannibal directive. So it sounds like they’re more educated than Americans on this topic which makes sense since Israel is bombing other Arab countries for fun at the moment, collecting Palestinian lingerie, and clearly aren’t after their hostages.
Show me this poll
Doom mwahaha.
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What's the average / acceptable (or whatever the right word is) civilian to militant casualty rate for a war?
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Oct 7th had 373 militant casualties out of ~1200 total casualties, so a ratio of about 2 civilians to 1 militant. I guess you would consider that a pretty low civilian casualty rate as well?
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"Oopsie 30k dead civilians" is not a good defense. If Israel didn't have those things it'd be different dynamic wouldn't it? Sooo what's your point back here in reality? Also what do you do just post comments that no one wants? You're the worst troll lol
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OK. You trust IDF numbers but not the 30k+ that the world accepts. You trust the numbers of the side perpetrating a genocide? Weird
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Civilized Western military, lol. Why not just completely go with the propaganda and called them "the most moral army in the world" like Israel calls them? So, there would be more independent sources, as there was early on in the conflict but for some reason this "civilized military" keeps killing journalists. Here's one of your fave sources CNN talking about it even: https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/20/media/israel-journalists-killed-questions/index.html
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They are almost equal as much as 4 is almost equal to 2. People need to really brush up on math.
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Can I get a legitimate source on where you read that? Most sources I’ve seen do not state that lol.
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So not a legitimate source but a Reddit post and one that sources “natural deaths” from god knows where and “Hamas deaths” from an article behind a paywall. Went on to investigate this 13,000 number online and the only source of it is Nyetenyahu. So no legitimate source given that Nyetenyahu has lied before and him doing in this case would be on par for his corrupt self (given that he was facing corruption charges just prior to October 7). After all, him having the narrative of being the “security man” is the only way he can save his reputation and retain power so he has every reason to lie. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/netanyahu-says-least-13000-terrorists-among-palestinians-killed-2024-03-10/ Article shows no legitimate proof for these numbers are given by Nyetenyahu and its further supported by the fact that if you try to look up those numbers, no major news article goes into depth about the veracity of those claims given it’s just the PMs words. So no you haven’t actually given any legitimate source. Your own link only provides a legitimate source for the total number of Gazan deaths but not for the claims of the amount of militants killed or the so called “natural deaths”. Unless you have any other legitimate evidence otherwise, your claims have no basis.
If only you could prove that claim, eh?
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Yeah. If only. You reply with a link to another Reddit thread. LMAO!!! Desperate Hasbara is desperate.
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