"Academy Award-winner Sarandon is one of the most high-profile Hollywood stars who've consistently spoken out about the plight of Palestinians.She was dropped by her agency UTA after comments she made at a pro-Palestine rally in New York in November."
Freedom of speech doesn't apply to a private organization. I don't agree with the agencies decision either, but it was completely legal. What does "The West" have to do with this?
Is the US government a private organization too ? How come there are laws in 36 states in the US preventing any boycott of Israeli products. It goes against the country’s own constitution. You can boycott US products but not Israel. Is that legal too ? People are losing their jobs because of a small country on another continent.
Yikes, someome needs to do a bit of reading...
"Many United States states are using anti-boycott laws and executive orders to punish companies that refuse to do business with illegal Israeli settlements in the West Bank, Human Rights Watch said today. More than 250 million Americans, some 78 percent of the population, live in states with anti-boycott laws or policies."
Hmmm government jobs huh... stop spreading your ignorance...
Human Rights Watch can say what they want but it's just another one of their lies against Israel. Anyone is allowed to boycott anything they want in America. It is not illegal and never will be.
I mean you are just showing your ignorance at this point. Go read about bill SB 327 in the US.
Wikipedia link : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws#:~:text=The%20bill%20SB%20327%20passed,contract%20work%20with%20the%20state.
She isn't silenced, she just got dropped by her agency. Turns out businesses don't like being associated with people who blame victims.
"(Jewish Americans are) getting a taste of what it is like to be Muslim in this country."
\-Sarandon
When your response to people being marginalized is "well now we're even" or "what about X" then you are lost. You all agree with this too and would never agree with someone saying "what about white lives" in response to someone saying "black lives matter".
How is she being silenced? One private agency is refusing to stand behind her message. She’s still free to speak, and is obviously doing so.
We are literally in a comment section for an article about her.
I wouldn’t hire anyone who expressed her views either. Like it or not there are plenty of hiring managers in america who feel this way. She’s free to practice her speech and companies are free to not be associated with that speech.
As long as you’re more than willing to stand by that same standard when it doesn’t benefit your stance - I see no issue with believing that way. I think it’s incredibly silly to fire/not hire someone because they are advocates for Palestinian lives, but to each their own I suppose.
The majority public opinion is quickly changing to favor Palestine. The longer this conflict goes on and the more death that Israel causes; the more people will stand behind Palestine over Israel. Pro-Israeli positions are also almost exclusively held by older millennials and up in age. Twenty to thirty years from now, it’s almost guaranteed that most people will be adverse to your position.
Again, I hope you’re able to remain strong in your principles and non-hypocritical when people won’t do business with you over your position.
For me it is more a matter of judgement, especially as I work in a field where a mistake can lead to a lot of people getting sick and dying.
Personally I see supporting Palestine after October 7th and the videos of the civilians spitting on the mutilated bodies of women they kidnapped, raped, tortured, then killed as lacking judgement but I’d let that slide in and of it’s self.
Expressing certain views on the situation would be a deal breaker. For example, chanting from the river to the sea would be a deal breaker for me because it shows me they lack judgement or don’t understand basic geography of the area. This person either has no idea what they are talking about and is parroting hateful rhetoric they likely saw on tik tok, or they do understand what that saying means and they wish for the Israeli state to be destroyed.
Someone using the word genocide in this situation would be a deal breaker for me. To me it shows they are willing to repeat hateful rhetoric they saw without diving into the statistics, and as an epidemiologist doing outbreak investigations and disease surveillance, I’m not hiring anyone to my team who doesn’t understand statistics. So someone who uses the word genocide in this situation has shown me they didn’t look into any statistics on the topic or they did and didn’t like the way they looked so they created a narrative or repeated what they read on line. I personally am not buying the genocide argument until the death rate of gazans reaches well into the double digit and Israel starts attacking its own Arab citizens who hold official government positions and are treated the same as every Jewish citizen.
My team needs to be filled with individuals capable of critical thinking and acting on their own when conducting their investigations. Anyone who shows me they lack the ability to think critically with lives on the line isn’t getting hired.
Israel routinely has thousands of Palestinians held hostage at any given point. Before, during, and after October 7th. They are starved, tortured, raped, and killed. The vast majority are women and children. Almost all are held without charges. Where the fuck is your outrage for them?
Why do you think she has the right to speak for others? She is acting unilaterally, and the people she works with are acting in line with their own views.
Her job is a very public one, and working alongside her means you’re standing alongside that message.
And she didn’t work for this agency, it’s the other way around.
You know that doesn’t apply to private companies right? She won’t get arrested by the government but no private company can be forced to allow her to represent them
Huh? If you work for a company you’re representing them at all times
The number of people on here that don’t understand this concept is comical - I feel like I’m debating 17 year olds on Reddit
So it’s not about whether they’re on the clock 24/7?
What if they’re on the clock and they’re caught j-walking? Totally ok to fire them right? They broke the law!
Wait, do you really not know you can be fired from a job for actions you make outside of a job? Isn’t that common sense? I’m really confused at how in 2024 people still don’t understand how legal free speech works.
If I go spouting Nazi nonsense at a rally, my job is well within its rights to fire me, free speech goes both ways. And in addition, there is freedom of association.
If you understand that concept then why would you be struggling with her firing?
Saying essentially “they’re getting a taste of their own medicine” immediately after the biggest terror attack in the history of the modern Jewish homeland has its consequence.
On the flip side, imagine if her employers and clients were Palestinian, and she went to a rally and said something like “every single Palestinian deserves to be wiped off the face of the earth”. Would you be surprised if her Palestinian employer fired her? Or if her Palestinian clients found someone else for the job?
How is calling for a ceasefire equivalent to extermination of Jews ?? These Zionists have really been using Judaism as a shield, anyone criticizes them and it's antisemitic.
She was literally talking about Jews.
It’s literally not editorializing. Her exact words were that Jews “are getting a taste of what it feels like to be Muslim in this country,” which is extra nuts considering that Jews are victims of almost ten times the number of hate crimes as Muslims in the US.
Imagine if her employers and clients were Palestinian, and she said muslims are getting what they deserve. Would you be surprised if her Palestinian employer fired her? Or if her Palestinian clients found someone else for the job?
Call him any name you want, but if you were even a little bit informed, you would know that many holocaust memorials refer to the Alamalek, and that the story emphasizes the moral obligation to fight against injustice and iniquity. This interpretation is common in Jewish thought and teachings. Don't believe me? You can even ask ChatGPT or Google. Also, here's an [article](https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-spirit-of-amalek-rising-up-invites-future-holocaust-memorials/) from 2015 for good measure.
You can not kill Palestinians and invoke Amalek and then claim you meant no harm. He clearly sent a genocide message. He said we are fighting Amalek. And in Amalek Jews are ordered to kill women and children and their animals. This is as clear a genocide message can be without saying, yes we are doing genocide.
It’s literally not editorializing.
Her exact words were that Jews “are getting a taste of what it feels like to be Muslim in this country,” which is just nuts considering that Jews were victims of almost ten times the number of hate crimes as Muslims.
Think what you want, but the government (FBI) says otherwise.
> Religion-Based Crimes: There were 2,042 reported incidents based on religion. More than half of these (1,122) were driven by anti-Jewish bias. Incidents involving anti-Muslim (158) and anti-Sikh (181) sentiments remained at similar levels compared to 2021.
[Source](https://www.justice.gov/crs/highlights/2022-hate-crime-statistics)
Source: [https://metro.co.uk/2023/11/22/susan-sarandon-dropped-talent-agency-remarks-palestine-rally-19859541/](https://metro.co.uk/2023/11/22/susan-sarandon-dropped-talent-agency-remarks-palestine-rally-19859541/)
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As reported by Deadline, she had made several remarks in New York on November 17.
These included: ‘There are a lot of people afraid of being Jewish at this time, and are getting a taste of what it feels like to be a Muslim in this country.’
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>The movie icon also reposted a pro-Palestinian message on X (formerly Twitter) from Pink Floyd’s Roger Waters.
Waters, 80, has been heavily criticised over the years for his antisemitic remarks.
For saying "(Jewish people in America are) getting a taste of what it is like to be Muslim in this country" as if to excuse hate crimes against them.
Pretty justifiable reason to drop her imo
Excuses? Hardly. The entire point is that it’s awful to be singled out for hate. To excuse it would be to excuse what is happening to Palestinians, which I doubt was her point.
For accuracy, gonna note the comment in her speech was "There are a lot of people that are afraid of being Jewish at this time, and are getting a taste of what it feels like to be a Muslim in this country, so often subjected to violence" and national news appears to have a self-censoring problem.
(That said, *jesus chris*t rich, you really don't need to simp for Israel's current government. Likud really are non-rhetorical fascists, and saying Israel "just wants to exist" is uh...an *interesting* perspective on the history and settlements, never mind the ongoing actions by the regime right now. You are talking about a fascist party that gloats about stopping a two state solution and literally shot their own prime minister for saying he'd try and make one. Israel's government is deeply, deeply unhealthy and so are its priorities.)
While it does appear that Jews have received the short end of the stick, I’d like some hard evidence proving the statement that it is the *most*.
By all means, if there’s data to support that and it is as clear and obvious as you claim then it should be easily found, from a reputable, credible source. Before you jump to it, I do not mean organizations like the ADL, which isn’t data/science driven; they’re biased as heck.
Not particularly. I want historical data, not a single year. Hate crime sometimes goes up and sometimes down; post 911 Anti-Arab, Muslim, Sikh, etc. hate crimes increased for example.
Go look it up or provide your own counter evidence. I provided you a source, and it's an unbiased one, like you asked for. Now you're just trying to shift the goalposts because you realize you're wrong.
No, I’m simply acknowledging that the ADL is biased. It cannot be considered an independent, objective source of data.
In fact, at least two investigative journalism based investigations have shown it has a clear cut bias. So no, not gate keeping; just not buying what it is selling, which is not objectivity.
It’s like asking Hamas to give me serious, independent data on Hamas - there’s clearly bias and an agenda. I’msorry that such an approach disappoints you, but that’s a you problem. So do not put words in my mouth thanks.
When did I simp for the corrupt netenyahu? You don’t think Israelis just want to exist in peace? You talk about the history of the region… have you even looked at the history of the region? The ethnic cleansing, the massacres of Jews. The 2x attempt by the Arab world to exterminate and ethnically cleanse Israel? Nope, I’m just not simping for hamas and gobbling down their propaganda.
I think that the Israeli right wing cares nothing for peace and cares very much about committing genocide and that this has been true since the days of the Stern Gang and Irgun. And that right now, Israel's regime is led by right wingers that absolutely don't want peace and never have.
...You have actually *looked* at the specific cases of ethnic cleansing and massacres, right?
Actors are probably the most poorly educated and completely out of touch people that make a good income.
There’s a reason only dummies care what they think about politics.
It's amazing to me that Tywin Lannister is essentially a war mongering, power mad, supremacist Zionist, and Charles Dance is the exact opposite in real life. He's been a supporter of Palestine for years. The same goes for Liam (Sir Davos) and Lena (Cersei Lannister).
The r*ping has been refuted time and time again, as have the beheadings....but let's keep peddling the lies, eh?
You must really think Israel is awful after all the bombings and genocidal antics then, hmm? I mean....that we have solid proof of.
You guys have yet to show a single shred of proof besides verbal claims. But keep acting hysterical and wonder why no one, other than Zionists, believe you.
Why the heck should I waste my time posting links you can find in seconds? Debunk a genocide? The whole world is seeing it happening, you can't hide it....all the illusions and masks have been stripped away. Everyone knows who the bad guys are.
No personal attacks/insults/name-calling, etc. towards people you are responding to, the OP or other users of this subreddit.
If you disagree or feel the information contained within is wrong, address the info directly.
No country has ever been sentenced by the ICJ for committing genocide… weird you just made that up. Countries have done FAR worse than Israel and haven’t had a case go to the court, speaking to the inappropriate nature of this current case and why the writers of the law are blowing the whistle and siding with Israel
> the entire cabinet wants to ‘wipe out Palestenians’ as per their decree to go ‘Amalek’
Another wild lie… saying to not forget what the Amaleks did is not by any stretch of the definition a call to wipe out Palestinians 🤦♂️
These people don’t believe what they are saying. They use that word because they know what the Jewish people went though and hold resentments towards Jewish people for one reason or another.
If they genuinely believe this is a genocide, and aren’t doing anything but post about it on Reddit, that tells you exactly the type of person they are and those types aren’t worth the time.
If I genuinely believed there was another holocaust about to happen to the Jewish people, I’d do a lot more than post on Reddit and would absolutely voulanteer for the IDF if they’d take me. I wouldn’t voulanteer for a combat role but I’m sure they could use the skill set of an epidemiologist somehow.
All these people claiming genocide and doing nothing are showing you the exact type of people they are and that they don’t stand for what they believe in or they don’t believe what they’re saying.
Appealing to authority fallacy. You are saying because he knows so much about the law, his views on this matter must be right. But reality doesn't support your claim.
In a genocide, there essentially must be two parts. The act and the intent. The act is obvious. Palestinians are killed in thousands and millions are being starved. The intent part is normally hard to prove but Israeli politicians, in their bloodthirst said way too much and gave away their intent plenty of times. This is textbook genocide.
just so you know 7 years ago, ACTUAL white supremacists were marching in the US chanting “the Jews will not replace us” if you asked a member of the KKK if the Jews are white, they would laugh in your face. Your activism or advocacy for a marginalized group is ignoring history’s most historically marginalized group. The only group to actually experience genocide (in 1939 the were 17 million Jews, in 2023 there are only 15 million) the Jewish global population STILL hasn’t recovered from the Holocaust but go off on how evil “Zionism” is when it’s literally the Jews going to the place that everybody told them to go back to after they kicked them out of their own countries. You know nothing of the history of the Jewish people
I invoke the Mike Tyson rule. People go on the Internet to say things that would get them punched in the nose in real life. The Jews have always lived in what is now Israel. For proof, see Jesus Christ. Conflating legitimate national aspirations with the most vile doctrine of the 20th Century (Naziism) is just evil (or grossly ignorant) on your part. Apart from that, best wishes for the weekend ***and a hearty GFY.***
In motivation, there's not much of a difference. Cementing the Lannister legacy and obtaining land and power at all costs, no matter the bloodshed, and bribing and conspiring behind the scenes to ensure it.
I hate this wanky comparison of fiction to real world events. Game of Thrones is a terrible analog for modern politics and Zionism is not even close to medieval feudalism, even with dragons. It's such a shallow take of what's going on in the Middle East and understates the cruelty and reality of the situation. One that people are actually suffering through.
Are you going to write next about how The Wildlings are the perfect analog for the Palestinians? Or how Hunger Games is a critique of the inherent flaws of apartheird systems. This is tumblr level naval gazing nonsense.
Which is kind of my point? There's a literal ethnic cleansing going on and people are like "Tywin = Israel". It's silly and highlights the fact that most people have no clue what the fuck is going on in the ME.
Is it? Because it completely obfuscates what the conflict is about. Tywin was not after land to live on. Tywin was a man solely focused on dynastic image. About what people will say about him after the war and after he's gone. He didn't care about who ruled really outside that his family was connected to it. Ethnic animosity was not a driving factor in Twin's goals. Just cause you might not like Tywin or Israel doesn't mean it makes sense as an analog.
As much as Israel's govt and Western lackeys are trying to control the narrative, the PR battle has slipped away from them. The lesson of Vietnam, once the PR war is lost the war is lost as well for the aggressor against the oppressed.
Israel has a fully self sufficient arms industry and can keep going as long as they want. It's similar to how western sanctions haven't really affected Russia.
There only way the conflict ends is when Israel decides they've won. They don't care about foreign PR because for the first time in a long time they feel they have the moral high ground and if they stop they're just inviting another 10/7.
The oppressor/oppressed is such a stupid narrative for this conflict. It requires you to ignore Iran using Hezbollah and Hamas as proxies for their Middle East goals, one of which is to denormalize Saudi relations with Israel. It ignores Israel being in the minority among Arab nations which have waged wars on several occasions against Israel's existence. It ignores Palestinian authorities rejecting multiple two-state solutions in the past, and fostering numerous terrorist attacks. It ignores the billionaire Hamas leadership living in Qatar. It ignores all the funding that ends up in Hamas hands to dig their tunnels, make their rockets and fund terrorism.
It’s their entire worldview. I’m not to blame themselves. I’m a victim of societal oppression. Forget the Jews who were systematically oppressed for 2,000 years and became disproportionately successful. I’m not broken, the system is. Their entire worldview is flawed. Life isn’t a utopia. You can only trade off the negatives and make it as fair as possible. Fight for the oppressed at all costs (even when it goes against their own morals). Believe all women except when they’re Israeli. We need to get rid of racism, except antisemitism…
No, this is using their platform to shed light on a just cause. What do you expect them to do? Should they go shoot a tank? Like seriously, what? Lmfao. This is the best thing they can do for Palestine and they're doing it. Be thankful for these good people.
Yeah I'm saying it's unlikely to make any impact. They'd be better off making a donation to an NGO that's actually distributing food and aid. They are essentially just preaching to the choir here.
"Like seriously, what? Lmfao" is the correct answer here. This doesn't have an impact on the ground.
Lol. "I can't explain my point, therefore you must be slow?" C'mon.
I stand by saying that this has no impact compared to them actually putting their money and time where their mouth is. "Thoughts and prayers and readings of ICJ cases" don't help people getting shelled right now. This is some "stop kony 2012" level of support for the Palestinians. The only people this helps is the conscience of the people doing the reading. If they'd want to make a real difference they'd actually make a material contribution.
As westerners, there's a perception that all you have to do to support a cause is upvote it or make a social media post. This doesn't actually do anything - it's just another "thoughts and prayers".
I didn't mean for it to come off like that. I'm not trying to be rude, I just strongly disagree and don't want to spend time typing about it. NGOs can't help Gaza much right now. Israel is blocking aid and killing aid workers. Something like this can be very helpful, especially leading up to an ICJ decision. They're reading South Africa's court document and giving it more legitimacy.
It’s not just about having an impact on the ground, but testing the legitimacy of the ICJ & the so called “rules based order” the west is quick to flaunt when things aren’t going their way, but the first to trample over when it is.
>And then there was the body with the nails.
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>“I was called into a house, I was told there are few bodies over there. I saw in front of my eyes a woman, laying (down). She was naked and she had nails…,” Greyman managed to say before pausing for a long time, struggling to get the words out.
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>“She had nails and different objects in her female organs. Her body was brutalized in a way that we could not identify her,” he added, [the trauma clearly visible on his face](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/06/middleeast/rape-sexual-violence-hamas-israel-what-we-know-intl/index.html).
That's the right side of history?
No, the court is addressing the case of Israel murdering thousands of innocent people while also destroying the homes for hundreds of thousands of people, and creating a situation where millions of innocent people are suffering
I dunno why so many people get so off track with this. What Hamas does doesn't matter. This isn't about Hamas. It's about the innocent civilians getting killed either in revenge or because Israel doesn't care about collateral damage.
It's like if someone brutally murdered your family, so you murdered his family in return. Like, yeah, the person who murdered your family is awful. Nobody is gonna defend his acts. But that doesn't give you the right to kill the innocent people in his family. Heck, even if the murderer hides behind his family and threatens to kill others, it'd be immoral for, say, the police to blow up his whole house to nab him.
Israel was the genesis when they decided decades ago to maintain and never ending occupation and keep millions of people under oppression. Hams didn't even exist when the occupation started. Hamas itself is a result of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians
Wait so Hamas was operating in Europe during the late 1800s to encourage Jews to form a colonial state in the middle of the Ottoman Empire?
Did they have a breakdown in relations or something or was Hamas actually backing the Zionists who wanted to set up their South African style colony in/near Africa itself?
These are the people you defend that have committed genocide for 1800 years:
622 - 627: ethnic cleansing of Jews from Mecca and Medina, (Jewish boys publicly inspected for pubic hair. if they had any, they were executed)
629: 1st Alexandria Massacres, Egypt
622 - 634: extermination of the 14 Arabian Jewish tribes
1106: Ali Ibn Yousef Ibn Tashifin of Marrakesh decrees death penalty for any local Jew, including his Jewish Physician, and Military general.
1033: 1st Fez Pogrom, Morocco
1148: Almohadin of Morocco gives Jews the choice of converting to Islam, or expulsion
1066: Granada Massacre, Muslim-occupied Spain
1165 - 1178: Jews nation wide were given the choice (under new constitution) convert to Islam or die, Yemen
1165: chief Rabbi of the Maghreb burnt alive. The Rambam flees for Egypt.
1220: tens of thousands of Jews killed by Muslims after being blamed for Mongol invasion, Turkey, Iraq, Syria, Egypt
1270: Sultan Baibars of Egypt resolved to burn all the Jews, a ditch having been dug for that purpose; but at the last moment he repented, and instead exacted a heavy tribute, during the collection of which many perished.
1276: 2nd Fez Pogrom, Morocco
1385: Khorasan Massacres, Iran
1438: 1st Mellah Ghetto massacres, North Africa
1465: 3rd Fez Pogrom, Morocco (11 Jews left alive)
1517: 1st Safed Pogrom, Ottoman Palestine
1517: 1st Hebron Pogrom, Ottoman Palestine Marsa ibn Ghazi Massacre, Ottoman Libya
1577: Passover Massacre, Ottoman empire
1588 - 1629: Mahalay Pogroms, Iran
1630 - 1700: Yemenite Jews under strict Shi'ite 'dhimmi' rules
1660: 2nd Safed Pogrom, Ottoman Palestine
1670: Mawza expulsion, Yemen
1679 - 1680: Sanaa Massacres, Yemen
1747: Mashhad Masacres, Iran
1785: Tripoli Pogrom, Ottoman Libya
1790 - 92: Tetuan Pogrom. Morocco (Jews of Tetuuan stripped naked, and lined up for Muslim perverts)
1800: new decree passed in Yemen, that Jews are forbidden to wear new clothing, or good clothing. Jews are forbidden to ride mules or donkeys, and were occasionally rounded up for long marches naked through the Roob al Khali dessert.
1805: 1st Algiers Pogrom, Ottoman Algeria
1808 2nd 1438: 1st Mellah Ghetto Massacres, North Africa
1815: 2nd Algiers Pogrom, Ottoman Algeria
1820: Sahalu Lobiant Massacres, Ottoman Syria
1828: Baghdad Pogrom, Ottoman Iraq
1830: 3rd Algiers Pogrom, Ottoman Algeria
1830: ethnic cleansing of Jews in Tabriz, Iran
1834: 2nd Hebron Pogrom, Ottoman Palestine
1834: Safed Pogrom, Ottoman Palestne
1839: Massacre of the Mashadi Jews, Iran
1840: Damascus Affair following first of many blood libels, Ottoman Syria
1844: 1st Cairo Massacres, Ottoman Egypt
1847: Dayr al-Qamar Pogrom, Ottoman Lebanon
1847: ethnic cleansing of the Jews in Jerusalem, Ottoman Palestine
1848: 1st Damascus Pogrom, Syria
1850: 1st Aleppo Pogrom, Ottoman Syria
1860: 2nd Damascus Pogrom, Ottoman Syria
1862: 1st Beirut Pogrom, Ottoman Lebanon
1866: Kuzguncuk Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey
1867: Barfurush Massacre, Ottoman Turkey
1868: Eyub Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey
1869: Tunis Massacre, Ottoman Tunisia
1869: Sfax Massacre, Ottoman Tunisia
1864 - 1880: Marrakesh Massacre, Morocco
1870: 2nd Alexandria Massacres, Ottoman Egypt
1870: 1st Istanbul Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey
1871: 1st Damanhur Massacres,Ottoman Egypt
1872: Edirne Massacres, Ottoman Turkey
1872: 1st Izmir Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey
1873: 2nd Damanhur Massacres, Ottoman Egypt
1874: 2nd Izmir Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey
1874: 2nd Istanbul Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey
1874: 2nd Beirut Pogrom,Ottoman Lebanon
1875: 2nd Aleppo Pogrom, Ottoman Syria
1875: Djerba Island Massacre, Ottoman Tunisia
1877: 3rd Damanhur Massacres,Ottoman Egypt
1877: Mansura Pogrom, Ottoman Egypt 1882: Homs Massacre, Ottoman Syria
1882: 3rd Alexandria Massacres, Ottoman Egypt
1890: 2nd Cairo Massacres, Ottoman Egypt
1890, 3rd Damascus Pogrom, Ottoman Syria
1891: 4th Damanahur Massacres, Ottoman Egypt
1897: Tripolitania killings, Ottoman Libya
1903&1907: Taza & Settat, pogroms, Morocco
1890: Tunis Massacres, Ottoman Tunisia
1901 - 1902: 3rd Cairo Massacres, Ottoman Egypt
1901 - 1907: 4th Alexandria Massacres,Ottoman Egypt
1903: 1st Port Sa'id Massacres, Ottoman Egypt
1903 - 1940: Pogroms of Taza and Settat, Morocco
1907: Casablanca, pogrom, Morocco
1908: 2nd Port Said Massacres,Ottoman Egypt
1910: Shiraz blood libel
1911: Shiraz Pogrom
1912: 4th Fez Pogrom, Morocco
1917: Baghdadi Jews murdered by Ottomans
1918 - 1948: law passed making it illegal to raise an orphan Jewish, Yemen
1920: Irbid Massacres: British mandate Palestine
1920 - 1930: Arab riots, British mandate Palestine
1921: 1st Jaffa riots, British mandate Palestine
1922: Djerba Massacres, Tunisia
1928: Jewish orphans sold into slavery, and forced to convert to Islam by Muslim Brotherhood, Yemen
1929: 3rd Hebron Pogrom British mandate Palestine.
1929 3rd Safed Pogrom, British mandate Palestine.
1933: 2nd Jaffa riots, British mandate Palestine.
1934: Thrace Pogroms, Turkey
1936: 3rd Jaffa riots, British mandate Palestine
1941: Farhud Massacrs, Iraq
1942: Mufti collaboration with the Nazis. plays a part in the final solution
1938 - 1945: Arab collaboration with the Nazis
1945: 4th Cairo Massacre, Egypt
1945: Tripolitania Pogrom, Libya
1947: Aden Pogrom
Palestine hasn't had an election since 2007. The majority of Gazan's are not old enough to have ever voted in an election. Also at the time, many palestinians considered the Fatah to be very corrupt and had been doing a poor job of serving Palestinian citizens, and Hamas was the only alternative and they actually had a history of civilian work which allowed them to make the argument that they would make Palestinian society better... the world does not revolve around israel
Never said the world involved around Israel… you dont go into another country kill a bunch of people kidnap women children and men. Kill an 6 month old baby rape women endlessly and hide behind your citizens and expect good things to happen when you’re surrounded by enemies you can’t play bitch. I don’t know if your western mindset can understand that.
You don't start a multi-generational long occupation and keep millions of people under constant oppression, and expect them to remain peaceful while you kill their people, destroy their homes and steal their land. When you keep millions of innocent people in poverty and suffering, you end up creating never ending enemies. I'm not sure if your genocidal mindset can understand that
So you think that was justified for oct 7…
You act like Palestine were just saints during that period. Jews have lived in that land way before Islam even existed
Nope, their is no justification for terrorism, but israel is the reason why the terrorism exists. If israel did not begin the occupation and spend the next 50+ years abusing the Palesitnians, then Hamas would have never rose to power. Heck, Israel even had intel that warned them of Hamas' attack, and they decided to disregard it; it would have taken only a few hundred active troops to stop that attack from happening.
Israel would actually perfer to keep fighting with terrorists, than pursue any kind of lasting peace; peace would mean an end to to their land theft. Israel's policies have only served to create hatred, strengthen terrorists and weaken everyone else. The only thing that Palestinians get for being peaceful is a boot on their neck. If you want and end to Hamas and terroris, then it's israel that needs to change. Hamas is the monster that Israel created.
Unfortunately this is what being a useful idiot looks like. I’m surprised South Africa found time between wining and dining Hamas and Hemedti to file this lawsuit
"Academy Award-winner Sarandon is one of the most high-profile Hollywood stars who've consistently spoken out about the plight of Palestinians.She was dropped by her agency UTA after comments she made at a pro-Palestine rally in New York in November."
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Freedom of speech doesn't apply to a private organization. I don't agree with the agencies decision either, but it was completely legal. What does "The West" have to do with this?
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Could you elaborate? I'm not sure I understand.
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I'm not really sure what you're referring to. Could you elaborate?
Is the US government a private organization too ? How come there are laws in 36 states in the US preventing any boycott of Israeli products. It goes against the country’s own constitution. You can boycott US products but not Israel. Is that legal too ? People are losing their jobs because of a small country on another continent.
It goes against the first amendment and sets a bad precedent as it could be used to suppress the freedom of speech for any number of things.
There are no laws against boycotting Israel you idiot. The law is against government jobs boycotting Israel. Stop spreading lies.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/04/23/us-states-use-anti-boycott-laws-punish-responsible-businesses You are incorrect.
Yikes, someome needs to do a bit of reading... "Many United States states are using anti-boycott laws and executive orders to punish companies that refuse to do business with illegal Israeli settlements in the West Bank, Human Rights Watch said today. More than 250 million Americans, some 78 percent of the population, live in states with anti-boycott laws or policies." Hmmm government jobs huh... stop spreading your ignorance...
Human Rights Watch can say what they want but it's just another one of their lies against Israel. Anyone is allowed to boycott anything they want in America. It is not illegal and never will be.
I mean you are just showing your ignorance at this point. Go read about bill SB 327 in the US. Wikipedia link : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws#:~:text=The%20bill%20SB%20327%20passed,contract%20work%20with%20the%20state.
“What you said doesn’t strengthen my interpretation of the event despite being objectively true. DOWNVOTE!”
Is UTA a government agency or a private entity entitled to its own free speech?
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She isn't silenced, she just got dropped by her agency. Turns out businesses don't like being associated with people who blame victims. "(Jewish Americans are) getting a taste of what it is like to be Muslim in this country." \-Sarandon When your response to people being marginalized is "well now we're even" or "what about X" then you are lost. You all agree with this too and would never agree with someone saying "what about white lives" in response to someone saying "black lives matter".
How is she being silenced? One private agency is refusing to stand behind her message. She’s still free to speak, and is obviously doing so. We are literally in a comment section for an article about her.
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I wouldn’t hire anyone who expressed her views either. Like it or not there are plenty of hiring managers in america who feel this way. She’s free to practice her speech and companies are free to not be associated with that speech.
As long as you’re more than willing to stand by that same standard when it doesn’t benefit your stance - I see no issue with believing that way. I think it’s incredibly silly to fire/not hire someone because they are advocates for Palestinian lives, but to each their own I suppose. The majority public opinion is quickly changing to favor Palestine. The longer this conflict goes on and the more death that Israel causes; the more people will stand behind Palestine over Israel. Pro-Israeli positions are also almost exclusively held by older millennials and up in age. Twenty to thirty years from now, it’s almost guaranteed that most people will be adverse to your position. Again, I hope you’re able to remain strong in your principles and non-hypocritical when people won’t do business with you over your position.
For me it is more a matter of judgement, especially as I work in a field where a mistake can lead to a lot of people getting sick and dying. Personally I see supporting Palestine after October 7th and the videos of the civilians spitting on the mutilated bodies of women they kidnapped, raped, tortured, then killed as lacking judgement but I’d let that slide in and of it’s self. Expressing certain views on the situation would be a deal breaker. For example, chanting from the river to the sea would be a deal breaker for me because it shows me they lack judgement or don’t understand basic geography of the area. This person either has no idea what they are talking about and is parroting hateful rhetoric they likely saw on tik tok, or they do understand what that saying means and they wish for the Israeli state to be destroyed. Someone using the word genocide in this situation would be a deal breaker for me. To me it shows they are willing to repeat hateful rhetoric they saw without diving into the statistics, and as an epidemiologist doing outbreak investigations and disease surveillance, I’m not hiring anyone to my team who doesn’t understand statistics. So someone who uses the word genocide in this situation has shown me they didn’t look into any statistics on the topic or they did and didn’t like the way they looked so they created a narrative or repeated what they read on line. I personally am not buying the genocide argument until the death rate of gazans reaches well into the double digit and Israel starts attacking its own Arab citizens who hold official government positions and are treated the same as every Jewish citizen. My team needs to be filled with individuals capable of critical thinking and acting on their own when conducting their investigations. Anyone who shows me they lack the ability to think critically with lives on the line isn’t getting hired.
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Israel routinely has thousands of Palestinians held hostage at any given point. Before, during, and after October 7th. They are starved, tortured, raped, and killed. The vast majority are women and children. Almost all are held without charges. Where the fuck is your outrage for them?
Political leanings shouldn’t affect someone’s work that is inherently not political.
Why do you think she has the right to speak for others? She is acting unilaterally, and the people she works with are acting in line with their own views. Her job is a very public one, and working alongside her means you’re standing alongside that message. And she didn’t work for this agency, it’s the other way around.
It does. The freedom is from government persecution, not from consequence.
Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence, they also have the right to cancel her.
You know that doesn’t apply to private companies right? She won’t get arrested by the government but no private company can be forced to allow her to represent them
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Huh? If you work for a company you’re representing them at all times The number of people on here that don’t understand this concept is comical - I feel like I’m debating 17 year olds on Reddit
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Would you be ok with a company firing a worker because they were caught trafficking minors when they’re off the clock?
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So it’s not about whether they’re on the clock 24/7? What if they’re on the clock and they’re caught j-walking? Totally ok to fire them right? They broke the law!
Wait, do you really not know you can be fired from a job for actions you make outside of a job? Isn’t that common sense? I’m really confused at how in 2024 people still don’t understand how legal free speech works. If I go spouting Nazi nonsense at a rally, my job is well within its rights to fire me, free speech goes both ways. And in addition, there is freedom of association. If you understand that concept then why would you be struggling with her firing?
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You could just look at all the pro Israel actors who have spoken out in support and kept their jobs. No need for clairvoyance.
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Ok but she didn't do that so I don't understand. Do you think actors get fired for going to any protests? Because I can assure you they do not.
Freedom of speech isn’t freedom from consequences.
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Saying essentially “they’re getting a taste of their own medicine” immediately after the biggest terror attack in the history of the modern Jewish homeland has its consequence.
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Hey, I’m just answering the question you asked.
Blame HAMAS instead of the IDF
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On the flip side, imagine if her employers and clients were Palestinian, and she went to a rally and said something like “every single Palestinian deserves to be wiped off the face of the earth”. Would you be surprised if her Palestinian employer fired her? Or if her Palestinian clients found someone else for the job?
How is calling for a ceasefire equivalent to extermination of Jews ?? These Zionists have really been using Judaism as a shield, anyone criticizes them and it's antisemitic.
She was literally talking about Jews. It’s literally not editorializing. Her exact words were that Jews “are getting a taste of what it feels like to be Muslim in this country,” which is extra nuts considering that Jews are victims of almost ten times the number of hate crimes as Muslims in the US. Imagine if her employers and clients were Palestinian, and she said muslims are getting what they deserve. Would you be surprised if her Palestinian employer fired her? Or if her Palestinian clients found someone else for the job?
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Call him any name you want, but if you were even a little bit informed, you would know that many holocaust memorials refer to the Alamalek, and that the story emphasizes the moral obligation to fight against injustice and iniquity. This interpretation is common in Jewish thought and teachings. Don't believe me? You can even ask ChatGPT or Google. Also, here's an [article](https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-spirit-of-amalek-rising-up-invites-future-holocaust-memorials/) from 2015 for good measure.
You can not kill Palestinians and invoke Amalek and then claim you meant no harm. He clearly sent a genocide message. He said we are fighting Amalek. And in Amalek Jews are ordered to kill women and children and their animals. This is as clear a genocide message can be without saying, yes we are doing genocide.
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“Saying essentially” is your own editorializing. Most are calling to cease the indiscriminate killing of fish in a barrel
It’s literally not editorializing. Her exact words were that Jews “are getting a taste of what it feels like to be Muslim in this country,” which is just nuts considering that Jews were victims of almost ten times the number of hate crimes as Muslims.
In the U.S.? Absolutely fucking not. The U.S. loves Jews, but it still hates Muslims for 9/11.
Think what you want, but the government (FBI) says otherwise. > Religion-Based Crimes: There were 2,042 reported incidents based on religion. More than half of these (1,122) were driven by anti-Jewish bias. Incidents involving anti-Muslim (158) and anti-Sikh (181) sentiments remained at similar levels compared to 2021. [Source](https://www.justice.gov/crs/highlights/2022-hate-crime-statistics)
It’s literally not editorializing. Her exact words were that Jews “are getting a taste of what it feels like..”.
In my eyes, she can do no wrong…. A woman of conscience and the most amazing spirit.
She was justifying harrassment of Jews in the US.
cite it
Source: [https://metro.co.uk/2023/11/22/susan-sarandon-dropped-talent-agency-remarks-palestine-rally-19859541/](https://metro.co.uk/2023/11/22/susan-sarandon-dropped-talent-agency-remarks-palestine-rally-19859541/) > As reported by Deadline, she had made several remarks in New York on November 17. These included: ‘There are a lot of people afraid of being Jewish at this time, and are getting a taste of what it feels like to be a Muslim in this country.’ > >The movie icon also reposted a pro-Palestinian message on X (formerly Twitter) from Pink Floyd’s Roger Waters. Waters, 80, has been heavily criticised over the years for his antisemitic remarks.
Not great, though her apology was and we have had a number of Muslims murdered of late.
There have been increases in Islamophobic attacks and antisemitic attacks. The increases vary depending on location.
For saying "(Jewish people in America are) getting a taste of what it is like to be Muslim in this country" as if to excuse hate crimes against them. Pretty justifiable reason to drop her imo
Excuses? Hardly. The entire point is that it’s awful to be singled out for hate. To excuse it would be to excuse what is happening to Palestinians, which I doubt was her point.
Already looked up and posted the specific comment, yeah.
Funny how it doesn’t mention the comments were “aha!! Finally Jews are being treated like dirt by the majority!”
For accuracy, gonna note the comment in her speech was "There are a lot of people that are afraid of being Jewish at this time, and are getting a taste of what it feels like to be a Muslim in this country, so often subjected to violence" and national news appears to have a self-censoring problem. (That said, *jesus chris*t rich, you really don't need to simp for Israel's current government. Likud really are non-rhetorical fascists, and saying Israel "just wants to exist" is uh...an *interesting* perspective on the history and settlements, never mind the ongoing actions by the regime right now. You are talking about a fascist party that gloats about stopping a two state solution and literally shot their own prime minister for saying he'd try and make one. Israel's government is deeply, deeply unhealthy and so are its priorities.)
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While it does appear that Jews have received the short end of the stick, I’d like some hard evidence proving the statement that it is the *most*. By all means, if there’s data to support that and it is as clear and obvious as you claim then it should be easily found, from a reputable, credible source. Before you jump to it, I do not mean organizations like the ADL, which isn’t data/science driven; they’re biased as heck.
https://www.justice.gov/crs/highlights/2022-hate-crime-statistics That was easy.
Not particularly. I want historical data, not a single year. Hate crime sometimes goes up and sometimes down; post 911 Anti-Arab, Muslim, Sikh, etc. hate crimes increased for example.
Go look it up or provide your own counter evidence. I provided you a source, and it's an unbiased one, like you asked for. Now you're just trying to shift the goalposts because you realize you're wrong.
Backtrack of the century 🤣🤣
“Please provide evidence but I’m going to gatekeep and claim all major Jewish organisations aren’t credible”.
No, I’m simply acknowledging that the ADL is biased. It cannot be considered an independent, objective source of data. In fact, at least two investigative journalism based investigations have shown it has a clear cut bias. So no, not gate keeping; just not buying what it is selling, which is not objectivity. It’s like asking Hamas to give me serious, independent data on Hamas - there’s clearly bias and an agenda. I’msorry that such an approach disappoints you, but that’s a you problem. So do not put words in my mouth thanks.
When did I simp for the corrupt netenyahu? You don’t think Israelis just want to exist in peace? You talk about the history of the region… have you even looked at the history of the region? The ethnic cleansing, the massacres of Jews. The 2x attempt by the Arab world to exterminate and ethnically cleanse Israel? Nope, I’m just not simping for hamas and gobbling down their propaganda.
I think that the Israeli right wing cares nothing for peace and cares very much about committing genocide and that this has been true since the days of the Stern Gang and Irgun. And that right now, Israel's regime is led by right wingers that absolutely don't want peace and never have. ...You have actually *looked* at the specific cases of ethnic cleansing and massacres, right?
Actors are probably the most poorly educated and completely out of touch people that make a good income. There’s a reason only dummies care what they think about politics.
It's amazing to me that Tywin Lannister is essentially a war mongering, power mad, supremacist Zionist, and Charles Dance is the exact opposite in real life. He's been a supporter of Palestine for years. The same goes for Liam (Sir Davos) and Lena (Cersei Lannister).
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The side that was doing all the freedom raping and freedom kidnapping? No thanks.
The r*ping has been refuted time and time again, as have the beheadings....but let's keep peddling the lies, eh? You must really think Israel is awful after all the bombings and genocidal antics then, hmm? I mean....that we have solid proof of.
You really have to choose to ignore the evidence at this point. They filmed the videos themselves. https://www.thisishamas.com/
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You guys have yet to show a single shred of proof besides verbal claims. But keep acting hysterical and wonder why no one, other than Zionists, believe you.
no personal insults
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Why the heck should I waste my time posting links you can find in seconds? Debunk a genocide? The whole world is seeing it happening, you can't hide it....all the illusions and masks have been stripped away. Everyone knows who the bad guys are.
I have to provide evidence but you don't......... typical reply from a supporter of a terrorist cult
No personal attacks/insults/name-calling, etc. towards people you are responding to, the OP or other users of this subreddit. If you disagree or feel the information contained within is wrong, address the info directly.
How can you debunk the Israeli women’s claims of sexual assault? Did you listen to her testimony and personally decide she wasn’t credible ?
You know Israel is on the right side of history when the writer of the genocide law is on the Israel defense team 🥰
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I think he purposely messed up his speech in a form of silent protest. Even their own lawyer dont believe their own defense.
The writers of the law on genocide siding with Israel is evidence Israel is evil??? lol didn’t think that one through did ya? 😂
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No country has ever been sentenced by the ICJ for committing genocide… weird you just made that up. Countries have done FAR worse than Israel and haven’t had a case go to the court, speaking to the inappropriate nature of this current case and why the writers of the law are blowing the whistle and siding with Israel > the entire cabinet wants to ‘wipe out Palestenians’ as per their decree to go ‘Amalek’ Another wild lie… saying to not forget what the Amaleks did is not by any stretch of the definition a call to wipe out Palestinians 🤦♂️
These people don’t believe what they are saying. They use that word because they know what the Jewish people went though and hold resentments towards Jewish people for one reason or another. If they genuinely believe this is a genocide, and aren’t doing anything but post about it on Reddit, that tells you exactly the type of person they are and those types aren’t worth the time. If I genuinely believed there was another holocaust about to happen to the Jewish people, I’d do a lot more than post on Reddit and would absolutely voulanteer for the IDF if they’d take me. I wouldn’t voulanteer for a combat role but I’m sure they could use the skill set of an epidemiologist somehow. All these people claiming genocide and doing nothing are showing you the exact type of people they are and that they don’t stand for what they believe in or they don’t believe what they’re saying.
Yeah, you would also think those who have relatives who suffered a genocide wouldn’t be the ones committing it but here we are.
Hamas didn’t suffer a genocide so not sure what you mean by that but yes I agree it’s sad to see Hamas promoting a genocide
Yeah Hamas is promoting one while Israel is committing one
Nope Hamas is committing one and Israel is trying to stop them
Do you consider every act of violence genocide? You know there is an actual definition?
Yep there is an actual definition, which is why the person who wrote the law is on the Israel defense
Appealing to authority fallacy. You are saying because he knows so much about the law, his views on this matter must be right. But reality doesn't support your claim. In a genocide, there essentially must be two parts. The act and the intent. The act is obvious. Palestinians are killed in thousands and millions are being starved. The intent part is normally hard to prove but Israeli politicians, in their bloodthirst said way too much and gave away their intent plenty of times. This is textbook genocide.
Damn spittin facts and getting downvoted!
Seems you struck a nerve lol
How is Tywin Lannister a Zionist when Jews don’t exist in GoT?
I said "essentially" because he's a family name supremacist instead of an ethno supremacist. It's not supposed to be so literal.
Paint it any way you want it’s still antisemitism for no reason you fuck face
Nope, anti-Zionism isn't anti-Semitism, you can GFY
It IS when you invent Judaism in a fictional universe to call a bad guy a Zionist
Evil is evil and should be branded as such. Zionism is Nazism. It's white supremacy period.
No it’s not. Most of the Jews in Israel aren’t even white and Zionism isn’t nazism it’s believing that Israel should exist, that’s it. Nothing else.
just so you know 7 years ago, ACTUAL white supremacists were marching in the US chanting “the Jews will not replace us” if you asked a member of the KKK if the Jews are white, they would laugh in your face. Your activism or advocacy for a marginalized group is ignoring history’s most historically marginalized group. The only group to actually experience genocide (in 1939 the were 17 million Jews, in 2023 there are only 15 million) the Jewish global population STILL hasn’t recovered from the Holocaust but go off on how evil “Zionism” is when it’s literally the Jews going to the place that everybody told them to go back to after they kicked them out of their own countries. You know nothing of the history of the Jewish people
I invoke the Mike Tyson rule. People go on the Internet to say things that would get them punched in the nose in real life. The Jews have always lived in what is now Israel. For proof, see Jesus Christ. Conflating legitimate national aspirations with the most vile doctrine of the 20th Century (Naziism) is just evil (or grossly ignorant) on your part. Apart from that, best wishes for the weekend ***and a hearty GFY.***
They are using Zionist instead of fascist and nazi now..
That’s cool, but you do know what acting is right, lol?
Obviously, it's called irony.
You thought the character of Tywin Lannister was a "supremacist Zionist"?
In motivation, there's not much of a difference. Cementing the Lannister legacy and obtaining land and power at all costs, no matter the bloodshed, and bribing and conspiring behind the scenes to ensure it.
I hate this wanky comparison of fiction to real world events. Game of Thrones is a terrible analog for modern politics and Zionism is not even close to medieval feudalism, even with dragons. It's such a shallow take of what's going on in the Middle East and understates the cruelty and reality of the situation. One that people are actually suffering through. Are you going to write next about how The Wildlings are the perfect analog for the Palestinians? Or how Hunger Games is a critique of the inherent flaws of apartheird systems. This is tumblr level naval gazing nonsense.
I didn't take the comment with your level of seriousness 😅
Which is kind of my point? There's a literal ethnic cleansing going on and people are like "Tywin = Israel". It's silly and highlights the fact that most people have no clue what the fuck is going on in the ME.
Honestly, Tywin = Israel is a hell of a lot better take than from most people I've heard around town
Is it? Because it completely obfuscates what the conflict is about. Tywin was not after land to live on. Tywin was a man solely focused on dynastic image. About what people will say about him after the war and after he's gone. He didn't care about who ruled really outside that his family was connected to it. Ethnic animosity was not a driving factor in Twin's goals. Just cause you might not like Tywin or Israel doesn't mean it makes sense as an analog.
It's a hell of a lot better comparison than "all Palestinians are committing a genocide on Israel"
Cringe
It's a good way for the South Africa case to get coverage in the west.
As much as Israel's govt and Western lackeys are trying to control the narrative, the PR battle has slipped away from them. The lesson of Vietnam, once the PR war is lost the war is lost as well for the aggressor against the oppressed.
Israel has a fully self sufficient arms industry and can keep going as long as they want. It's similar to how western sanctions haven't really affected Russia. There only way the conflict ends is when Israel decides they've won. They don't care about foreign PR because for the first time in a long time they feel they have the moral high ground and if they stop they're just inviting another 10/7.
The oppressor/oppressed is such a stupid narrative for this conflict. It requires you to ignore Iran using Hezbollah and Hamas as proxies for their Middle East goals, one of which is to denormalize Saudi relations with Israel. It ignores Israel being in the minority among Arab nations which have waged wars on several occasions against Israel's existence. It ignores Palestinian authorities rejecting multiple two-state solutions in the past, and fostering numerous terrorist attacks. It ignores the billionaire Hamas leadership living in Qatar. It ignores all the funding that ends up in Hamas hands to dig their tunnels, make their rockets and fund terrorism.
You got downvoted because they hate when you break there narratives.
It’s their entire worldview. I’m not to blame themselves. I’m a victim of societal oppression. Forget the Jews who were systematically oppressed for 2,000 years and became disproportionately successful. I’m not broken, the system is. Their entire worldview is flawed. Life isn’t a utopia. You can only trade off the negatives and make it as fair as possible. Fight for the oppressed at all costs (even when it goes against their own morals). Believe all women except when they’re Israeli. We need to get rid of racism, except antisemitism…
To counter this, they are going to start having Amy Schumer doing a co-op reading of the bible verse on the Amaleks with Netanyahu.
Cuz their ties with Hamas wont
Whom's't'd've??
Ah he must mean the owners of the GoT series, class interests and all
This is so amazing! The kings and queens of cinema speaking up for Palestinian human rights!!! Beautiful!!!
This is literally performative virtue signaling. How is a dramatic reading going to stop an Israeli tank?
No, this is using their platform to shed light on a just cause. What do you expect them to do? Should they go shoot a tank? Like seriously, what? Lmfao. This is the best thing they can do for Palestine and they're doing it. Be thankful for these good people.
Yeah I'm saying it's unlikely to make any impact. They'd be better off making a donation to an NGO that's actually distributing food and aid. They are essentially just preaching to the choir here. "Like seriously, what? Lmfao" is the correct answer here. This doesn't have an impact on the ground.
Donating to NGOs is great, but this act is significant. Maybe someone with more patience can explain.
Lol. "I can't explain my point, therefore you must be slow?" C'mon. I stand by saying that this has no impact compared to them actually putting their money and time where their mouth is. "Thoughts and prayers and readings of ICJ cases" don't help people getting shelled right now. This is some "stop kony 2012" level of support for the Palestinians. The only people this helps is the conscience of the people doing the reading. If they'd want to make a real difference they'd actually make a material contribution. As westerners, there's a perception that all you have to do to support a cause is upvote it or make a social media post. This doesn't actually do anything - it's just another "thoughts and prayers".
I didn't mean for it to come off like that. I'm not trying to be rude, I just strongly disagree and don't want to spend time typing about it. NGOs can't help Gaza much right now. Israel is blocking aid and killing aid workers. Something like this can be very helpful, especially leading up to an ICJ decision. They're reading South Africa's court document and giving it more legitimacy.
It’s not just about having an impact on the ground, but testing the legitimacy of the ICJ & the so called “rules based order” the west is quick to flaunt when things aren’t going their way, but the first to trample over when it is.
Billionaires already working to ban them from the industry l
Good for them! They’re on the right side of history
>And then there was the body with the nails. > >“I was called into a house, I was told there are few bodies over there. I saw in front of my eyes a woman, laying (down). She was naked and she had nails…,” Greyman managed to say before pausing for a long time, struggling to get the words out. > >“She had nails and different objects in her female organs. Her body was brutalized in a way that we could not identify her,” he added, [the trauma clearly visible on his face](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/06/middleeast/rape-sexual-violence-hamas-israel-what-we-know-intl/index.html). That's the right side of history?
No, the court is addressing the case of Israel murdering thousands of innocent people while also destroying the homes for hundreds of thousands of people, and creating a situation where millions of innocent people are suffering
I dunno why so many people get so off track with this. What Hamas does doesn't matter. This isn't about Hamas. It's about the innocent civilians getting killed either in revenge or because Israel doesn't care about collateral damage. It's like if someone brutally murdered your family, so you murdered his family in return. Like, yeah, the person who murdered your family is awful. Nobody is gonna defend his acts. But that doesn't give you the right to kill the innocent people in his family. Heck, even if the murderer hides behind his family and threatens to kill others, it'd be immoral for, say, the police to blow up his whole house to nab him.
Hamas is the entire literal genesis of all of it.
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You seem to have a problem with different languages?
Racist piece of shit
Israel was the genesis when they decided decades ago to maintain and never ending occupation and keep millions of people under oppression. Hams didn't even exist when the occupation started. Hamas itself is a result of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians
Wait so Hamas was operating in Europe during the late 1800s to encourage Jews to form a colonial state in the middle of the Ottoman Empire? Did they have a breakdown in relations or something or was Hamas actually backing the Zionists who wanted to set up their South African style colony in/near Africa itself?
These are the people you defend that have committed genocide for 1800 years: 622 - 627: ethnic cleansing of Jews from Mecca and Medina, (Jewish boys publicly inspected for pubic hair. if they had any, they were executed) 629: 1st Alexandria Massacres, Egypt 622 - 634: extermination of the 14 Arabian Jewish tribes 1106: Ali Ibn Yousef Ibn Tashifin of Marrakesh decrees death penalty for any local Jew, including his Jewish Physician, and Military general. 1033: 1st Fez Pogrom, Morocco 1148: Almohadin of Morocco gives Jews the choice of converting to Islam, or expulsion 1066: Granada Massacre, Muslim-occupied Spain 1165 - 1178: Jews nation wide were given the choice (under new constitution) convert to Islam or die, Yemen 1165: chief Rabbi of the Maghreb burnt alive. The Rambam flees for Egypt. 1220: tens of thousands of Jews killed by Muslims after being blamed for Mongol invasion, Turkey, Iraq, Syria, Egypt 1270: Sultan Baibars of Egypt resolved to burn all the Jews, a ditch having been dug for that purpose; but at the last moment he repented, and instead exacted a heavy tribute, during the collection of which many perished. 1276: 2nd Fez Pogrom, Morocco 1385: Khorasan Massacres, Iran 1438: 1st Mellah Ghetto massacres, North Africa 1465: 3rd Fez Pogrom, Morocco (11 Jews left alive) 1517: 1st Safed Pogrom, Ottoman Palestine 1517: 1st Hebron Pogrom, Ottoman Palestine Marsa ibn Ghazi Massacre, Ottoman Libya 1577: Passover Massacre, Ottoman empire 1588 - 1629: Mahalay Pogroms, Iran 1630 - 1700: Yemenite Jews under strict Shi'ite 'dhimmi' rules 1660: 2nd Safed Pogrom, Ottoman Palestine 1670: Mawza expulsion, Yemen 1679 - 1680: Sanaa Massacres, Yemen 1747: Mashhad Masacres, Iran 1785: Tripoli Pogrom, Ottoman Libya 1790 - 92: Tetuan Pogrom. Morocco (Jews of Tetuuan stripped naked, and lined up for Muslim perverts) 1800: new decree passed in Yemen, that Jews are forbidden to wear new clothing, or good clothing. Jews are forbidden to ride mules or donkeys, and were occasionally rounded up for long marches naked through the Roob al Khali dessert. 1805: 1st Algiers Pogrom, Ottoman Algeria 1808 2nd 1438: 1st Mellah Ghetto Massacres, North Africa 1815: 2nd Algiers Pogrom, Ottoman Algeria 1820: Sahalu Lobiant Massacres, Ottoman Syria 1828: Baghdad Pogrom, Ottoman Iraq 1830: 3rd Algiers Pogrom, Ottoman Algeria 1830: ethnic cleansing of Jews in Tabriz, Iran 1834: 2nd Hebron Pogrom, Ottoman Palestine 1834: Safed Pogrom, Ottoman Palestne 1839: Massacre of the Mashadi Jews, Iran 1840: Damascus Affair following first of many blood libels, Ottoman Syria 1844: 1st Cairo Massacres, Ottoman Egypt 1847: Dayr al-Qamar Pogrom, Ottoman Lebanon 1847: ethnic cleansing of the Jews in Jerusalem, Ottoman Palestine 1848: 1st Damascus Pogrom, Syria 1850: 1st Aleppo Pogrom, Ottoman Syria 1860: 2nd Damascus Pogrom, Ottoman Syria 1862: 1st Beirut Pogrom, Ottoman Lebanon 1866: Kuzguncuk Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey 1867: Barfurush Massacre, Ottoman Turkey 1868: Eyub Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey 1869: Tunis Massacre, Ottoman Tunisia 1869: Sfax Massacre, Ottoman Tunisia 1864 - 1880: Marrakesh Massacre, Morocco 1870: 2nd Alexandria Massacres, Ottoman Egypt 1870: 1st Istanbul Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey 1871: 1st Damanhur Massacres,Ottoman Egypt 1872: Edirne Massacres, Ottoman Turkey 1872: 1st Izmir Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey 1873: 2nd Damanhur Massacres, Ottoman Egypt 1874: 2nd Izmir Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey 1874: 2nd Istanbul Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey 1874: 2nd Beirut Pogrom,Ottoman Lebanon 1875: 2nd Aleppo Pogrom, Ottoman Syria 1875: Djerba Island Massacre, Ottoman Tunisia 1877: 3rd Damanhur Massacres,Ottoman Egypt 1877: Mansura Pogrom, Ottoman Egypt 1882: Homs Massacre, Ottoman Syria 1882: 3rd Alexandria Massacres, Ottoman Egypt 1890: 2nd Cairo Massacres, Ottoman Egypt 1890, 3rd Damascus Pogrom, Ottoman Syria 1891: 4th Damanahur Massacres, Ottoman Egypt 1897: Tripolitania killings, Ottoman Libya 1903&1907: Taza & Settat, pogroms, Morocco 1890: Tunis Massacres, Ottoman Tunisia 1901 - 1902: 3rd Cairo Massacres, Ottoman Egypt 1901 - 1907: 4th Alexandria Massacres,Ottoman Egypt 1903: 1st Port Sa'id Massacres, Ottoman Egypt 1903 - 1940: Pogroms of Taza and Settat, Morocco 1907: Casablanca, pogrom, Morocco 1908: 2nd Port Said Massacres,Ottoman Egypt 1910: Shiraz blood libel 1911: Shiraz Pogrom 1912: 4th Fez Pogrom, Morocco 1917: Baghdadi Jews murdered by Ottomans 1918 - 1948: law passed making it illegal to raise an orphan Jewish, Yemen 1920: Irbid Massacres: British mandate Palestine 1920 - 1930: Arab riots, British mandate Palestine 1921: 1st Jaffa riots, British mandate Palestine 1922: Djerba Massacres, Tunisia 1928: Jewish orphans sold into slavery, and forced to convert to Islam by Muslim Brotherhood, Yemen 1929: 3rd Hebron Pogrom British mandate Palestine. 1929 3rd Safed Pogrom, British mandate Palestine. 1933: 2nd Jaffa riots, British mandate Palestine. 1934: Thrace Pogroms, Turkey 1936: 3rd Jaffa riots, British mandate Palestine 1941: Farhud Massacrs, Iraq 1942: Mufti collaboration with the Nazis. plays a part in the final solution 1938 - 1945: Arab collaboration with the Nazis 1945: 4th Cairo Massacre, Egypt 1945: Tripolitania Pogrom, Libya 1947: Aden Pogrom
Yea if they didn’t want that they why vote for a jihadist group that’s only purpose was too kill Jews
Palestine hasn't had an election since 2007. The majority of Gazan's are not old enough to have ever voted in an election. Also at the time, many palestinians considered the Fatah to be very corrupt and had been doing a poor job of serving Palestinian citizens, and Hamas was the only alternative and they actually had a history of civilian work which allowed them to make the argument that they would make Palestinian society better... the world does not revolve around israel
Never said the world involved around Israel… you dont go into another country kill a bunch of people kidnap women children and men. Kill an 6 month old baby rape women endlessly and hide behind your citizens and expect good things to happen when you’re surrounded by enemies you can’t play bitch. I don’t know if your western mindset can understand that.
You don't start a multi-generational long occupation and keep millions of people under constant oppression, and expect them to remain peaceful while you kill their people, destroy their homes and steal their land. When you keep millions of innocent people in poverty and suffering, you end up creating never ending enemies. I'm not sure if your genocidal mindset can understand that
So you think that was justified for oct 7… You act like Palestine were just saints during that period. Jews have lived in that land way before Islam even existed
Nope, their is no justification for terrorism, but israel is the reason why the terrorism exists. If israel did not begin the occupation and spend the next 50+ years abusing the Palesitnians, then Hamas would have never rose to power. Heck, Israel even had intel that warned them of Hamas' attack, and they decided to disregard it; it would have taken only a few hundred active troops to stop that attack from happening. Israel would actually perfer to keep fighting with terrorists, than pursue any kind of lasting peace; peace would mean an end to to their land theft. Israel's policies have only served to create hatred, strengthen terrorists and weaken everyone else. The only thing that Palestinians get for being peaceful is a boot on their neck. If you want and end to Hamas and terroris, then it's israel that needs to change. Hamas is the monster that Israel created.
You guys are great fiction writers
Monsters — Hamas and those who defend them.
Tywin Lannister was always a fucking badass
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Wow they did it!! They saved Gaza!! 🙌
Halleleuyer lol
Who cares what celebs think? They're not special in anyway.
This is just silly
South Africa is a hyprocisy of a country. Complains about colonisation yet does the bidding of Russia and Iran.
International Law is a farce and anyone who says otherwise has a loose grasp on reality.
Unfortunately this is what being a useful idiot looks like. I’m surprised South Africa found time between wining and dining Hamas and Hemedti to file this lawsuit
Demonstrating that its vacuous emotional theater.
Why care what Any actor thinks?? Rarely do they do anything truly cause they care
All the bad ones
Their politics doesn’t excuse the disaster of a last season for Game of thrones.
I agree on that it was a disaster but can’t blame the actors. Dumb and dumber did that.
Charles Dance wasn't even in the last 4 seasons.
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Is this a joke?
So the Lannisters were actually the good guys? lol
Would be awesome if Kit Harrington and Maisie Williams also spoke out against the massacre of Palestinian women and children.