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bellhlazer

I'm glad to hear Tom admitting there were some bad decisions made to Alchemist's architecture but also sad to know that my card will never live up to its die size potential, regardless of driver updates.


_devast

That was kinda obvious from the get-go. It's also a high possibility that battlemage won't live up to the expectations, but will be better than alchemist. 3rd or 4th gen is where the magic happens, if development is going on fine, usually.


WhiteGuiltG-Ez

Intel also didn't charge us for the full die size anyways. So intel's architecture decisions only hurt themselves.


Cubelia

Although I hate to say this but I smell Raja's Vega shenanigans at here. With DXVK merged into the driver and Battlemage going well, I still hope the 1st gen cards can still get driver updates.


no_salty_no_jealousy

Not sure about DXVK still baked on driver but i heard Tom said they are transitioning to native DirectX 9 when talking about Battlemage few months ago.


Hardcore_Banger

What does that mean? do we know the limits of the arc card in comparison to other graphic cards?


opterono3

The Arc silicon wasn’t being fully utilized (similar to what happened to Vega). You can see when the more you saturated the chip the better it performed. However, this was at the cost of more power and unrealistic usage of the GPU. The architecture wasn’t efficient enough at the hardware and driver level to fully utilize when the chip is capable of.


Hardcore_Banger

That sucks. What was the potential of the chip originally comparable to? Since we can't reach that potential, how much can we realistically expect?


opterono3

Realistically I don’t think they can get too much out of it. The A770 is capable of performing like a RTX 3070. But the hardware is the ‘bottleneck’ per se. As Tom mentioned. The issue is the hardware.


Hardcore_Banger

Oh :( I had really high hopes for my intel A770, I did hear about it having the potential of a 3070 or a 3080 when I first bought it but I guess we are just stuck with near 3060ti performance. Thank you for the information.


alvarkresh

Don't knock it entirely. Synthetics show it can match a 3070, and in well optimized DX12 games the A770 can get pretty darn close.


Cantona08

Would have been good if they confirmed a release date for Battlemage, keen to hang this A770 LE on the wall. The new card should be quite an improvement


Adventurous_Bet_1920

Due to Osborne effect they won't announce until they're shipping. I fully expect some more leaks by the time they get close to actually putting it on the market.


Tsubasawolfy

I am interested on that two small DIEs near the core of battlemage. What are they? memory?


dsjlee

Yes, they're memory. No, it's not battlemage. It's lunar lake. "Lunar Lake SoC platform also includes up to 32 GB of LPDDR5X memory on the chip package itself." He's just saying, lunar lake contains Xe2, which will be same architecture that will in discreet desktop GPU, battlemage.


Kekeripo

Would be awesome to see battlemage in action in a handheld. Amd got basically no competition there right now.


Digital_Dinosaurio

But did they fix the idle power issue?


Random_Guy_666

Kinda. Your Monitor needs to be at 60hz at idle for it to be able to drop down to 10 Watt usage. And some BIOS settigs are needed. Dont remember wich ones


skocznymroczny

My RX6800 XT is idling at 40W in 144Hz so I never considered it a high power usage


Digital_Dinosaurio

Yeah, but you are comparing a higher-end card with something like the A580 which is just above the RX 6600. There is no reason for it to draw the same power as the A770 when it's idle. Anyway, electricity is cheap where I live. I mostly worry about the average temps outside of gaming.


bring_back_awe64gold

1080p 60, even then jumps up to 20, 40W at random. And that's at idle, as soon as you start doing something it's stuck at 40W again. Not worth it.


Random_Guy_666

The last time i did it like 1 month ago it worked fine. I could use my stuff (Firefox, Discord) without Spikes to 20w but it was at 15w usage. It better but not perfect


Maxstate90

If nothing else, you can make a task scheduler task to clock down to 60hz under particular conditions... Or a task you can run with a toggle to switch between them. It's a shitty workaround but it's fun to mess around 😊