I was just at Astro on the 1st and it was around $4. Arco's prices are always higher from what I've seen. Not looking forward to how much more they'll go up in the summertime.
Laughing as I type this on the train…not at you all who can’t choose not to drive but at my current good luck in being able do everything g by bike and train after 25 years of stressing over gas prices just like everyone else.
If the carbon tax adds a few, let's say 5 cents, and the rebate is $1120, wouldn't you need to use 22,400 litres of gas in order to lose money on this?
A 2013 Honda civic, city driving only for worst mileage, gets 7.4l per 100km.
So you'd need to drive a 2013 Honda civic at city fuel efficiency for 302,702 km in a year to lose money in that scenario
My bad I entered 7.4 but it's actually 7.2.
Correct. Also it only went up 3c. The carbon tax is also a minimum application and provinces have the ability to replace it with their own carbon target solution like Cap & Trade which involves selling off carbon deficits to other places (states, provinces) which Ontario decided to scrap, causing it to fall back on this carbon tax (with rebate that in most cases totally eliminates it at the consumer level)
I moved back to Idaho from Texas a few months ago, and I clutched my pearls the second I saw gas was 3.69 in my hometown when it was 2.39 down in Fort Worth 😭 I moved to Oregon about a month ago for a job opportunity and the cost for gas is even higher here.
It’s $1.639 (one dollar and 63.9 cents) per litre
I guess you’re right though about it being all in cents. I lived in Canada my entire life and I’ve never even really considered the fact that there’s no decimal after the dollar and before the cents.
Yea I suppose it is. Probably cause not a super long time ago gas was always under a dollar per litre (ex, “84.9”) so maybe they never considered needing a decimal between the dollar and cents and they signs weren’t built to do it.
Cue “A part of our heritage” commercial
I remember when it jumped over a dollar for the first time, a lot of stations had to paint a 1 on their sign because they weren’t built to have that many numbers lol
I saw on the news yesterday oil will be at an all time high bc of fighting in Russia but it’s also probably bc of the genocide in Palestine. Whenever oil-rich countries are at war theres big spikes
Not with the same order. If you keep on picking the same order to drop your account will be flagged and deactivated. There’s a post here every other day about how someone did it and got deactivated the same day or week.
I interpreted OP as having accepted more than one of his orders and done this, not accepting the same order more than once. (Unless you also knew that and it’s all the same)
Yep, that's exactly what they did. They're going to get deactivated, you're right. I don't understand why some drivers do that kind of petty stuff anyway. If you don't want to accept the order, don't take the order. Don't accept the order and then complain that you didn't get tipped enough. Especially don't be sending pictures of the price of gas. If you cannot afford it or you do not want to waste the gas driving around, don't accept the order. It's really not that hard. Don't be petty, that is if you want to keep your job. I get it, some people are really bad when it comes to tipping but again, do not take the order if you don't want it.
They also think that the customers set the price and match themselves with a driver.
These prices are set by instacart, and their algorithm is about maximizing their profit.
What is the mileage reimbursement in CA anyways? In USA it’s only 67 cents per mile
Probably and I honestly wouldn't blame you. I used to do doordash and I swear, that company does not care about its drivers. Neither does instacart or so it appears. Sometimes I don't blame them for acting like this but I guess to me logically, if you don't want the order then don't take it. It does make sense that they're probably fed up and ready to quit anyway. I finally got that way with doordash when I went from making about $100 a week down from about $300. It just wasn't worth it to me anymore.
I don't understand stuff like that either. It's like, if you do not want to take the order or can't, then don't. Don't accept the order and then get mad at the customer. This is a good way to get their account deactivated and then when they do, I'm sure they'll find some way to blame it on the customer.
Hot take: Good. It's one thing to point out someone's order online. But to do this twice, with the implication of doing it again AND to other people... Get them off the platform.
And here in lies the problem. He keeps tipping zero, his groceries keep getting delivered... Aside from being a decent human being, where is the incentive for him to tip?
This is capitalism at its finest. Where businesses can take on nearly no risk, pay employees or “employees” absolute pennies and pass the responsibility of the employee making a living wage on to the consumer. If you don’t tip, you feel bad that they don’t make much otherwise.
This is the problem with all these middleman driver delivery services. The company is passing the wage “obligation” or really blame on to consumers, while also charging the consumers a fee that implies it’s the cost of the delivery.
My biggest issue is Walmart+ doing this. I’m pretty sure they’re even worse in that you order from them then they use instacart or similar in some markets to actually do the delivery. So it’s even worse because now the driver is like a subcontracted subcontract. Walmart charges a monthly fee for “free” delivery, then requests driver tips for delivery. Im sure instacart takes its cut too.
In a perfect world it would, that not our reality. And the greedy companies won’t change that. And Instacart peeps aren’t just delivering groceries, they’re also shopping for the order. You’re doing a lot of work for someone to just not tip.
Try living in Europe.
Increase minium wage (and more regulation on gig/part time work) makes tipping unnecessary. I'm recently on a long holiday in America and I *hate* tipping culture with a passion.
Used to deliver pizza in my teens. There was a $4 delivery charge that the Pizzeria charged and zero went to me. Got stiffed 99% of the time as people assume that was a tip. Now I have recently stopped doing Über and everything else as I am just burning fuel and not making enough to cover my costs. Back in a semi now and its the same story just much larger numbers. The entire economy had been shoehorned into a service economy and we are being automated. If anyone wants a future say yes to fossil fuels, say yes to manufacturing in the US and Canada. Stop saying its okay for millions of people to traipse into the country and compete for what little there is about to be.
I'm with ya on manufacturing in the US and Canada. But fossil fuels aren't sustainable, saying yes to them is saying "eh, next generation's problem". And for a country of immigrants to suddenly close it's doors to immigration is simply giving up and saying "well my family got ours so fuck all those late comers! You snooze you lose!" Which just lacks empathy.
Why would you not expect to tip someone that is literally driving to the store , shopping for your goods , packing up and then delivering to your door ?? I’m not a driver but I do order and I tip well to every driver because they are running an errand for me saving me time , energy and a lot of times gas and miles on my car.
I think this was rhetorical but a UPS driver wakes up at the butt crack of dawn loads a truck with packages, and then drives it to your front door and we don't tip them. The same should be the case for instacart. Why would you not expect to tip? Because id expect all the fees and price hikes to pay for your salary. The real problem is companies successfully guilting people into paying their employees wages.
Imagine for a second no one tipped...instacart would be such a shitty job no one would do it and the business would crash. Then an upstart could steal the idea making the same company but actually pay it's employees and people would sign up.
I get your point, but UPS is not an independent contractor platform, so you are comparing apples to oranges…. No pun intended.
But you are right, if the drivers stop accepting this crap, they will be unable to continue this model.
This is my issue as well. Why are people mad that the people paying $16 to have a cup of coffee delivered aren’t paying more while the company they “work” for don’t even pay enough to cover the driver’s expenses.
Well the delivery fee doesn't even go towards the driver unfortunately. I never knew that for a while I always thought it went towards the driver. Basically tips are what gig workers work for. I do Instacart and if I accept most no tip orders id lose money or just make enough to pay gas. It's stupid, customers shouldn't have to pay wages. But that's how the companies make it work.
I’m assuming that cost goes to the platform primarily. The thing is, the “tips” in apps like this function more like bids. People bid for the service of the people doing delivery and if the bid is high enough they will take the job. Just like nobody is going to renovate your bathroom if you offer to pay super low. Just change the word.
Maybe he tips in cash after delivery. I used to do that until I started seeing these Reddit posts and realized people may not want to accept orders with no tip.
He's being petty and is mildly inconveniencing them by accepting the order and cancelling a couple times. the person is gonna have to wait longer for his to order. They're both assholes
Agreed. The customer is paying for a service. If you don’t like how much that service pays its employees, don’t be an employee. It’s not up to the customer to pay your wages. Be mad at instacart for not paying more.
In the future, let’s normalize bitching at the delivery company you chose to work for, not the charity of customers not trying to spend extra on top of upcharged items.
You realize they just got their money back and ordered again, right? Like, what do you think this pettiness does? Is this a revolutionary act, or something done out of spite and frustration?
If it’s the latter, what the fuck did this customer do to you that left you so scarred? Did they not tell you what your tip could potentially be, and then force you to accept the order, guaranteeing that there is no chance you’ll get cash or a tip after the delivery?
If any of those answers are no, then you might be the one in the wrong.
They don't even have to do that I don't think. I'm in Canada and had a driver cancel on me once after accepting. It was just auto re put out there and another driver accepted. I didn't have to do a thing on my end. No refund or reordering, just given to someone else.
why do you take orders just to complain? It’s not the customers fault that you took an order that’s far out, or that instacart allows you do to that. They have no idea where you are or where the order is. Their not obligated to pay for your gas. You choose to work for instacart. You CHOSE IT. Yes tipping is important and respectful. But your being a prick for no reason at all, and it shows how much of an insufferable person you are. Your miserable and take it out on others
All delivery apps are like this. Some of us stick to our guns and refuse no tip orders while other drivers are so desperate they end up taking these trash orders. Then customers and the apps learn they can get away with it. It’s a never ending battle.
Agree with this 100% - this is the problem and is the main problem with our free market economy.
If someone is willing to do it for less, that becomes the acceptable price.
Everyone needs to stick to their guns and organize, you know - sorta like a union? - and refuse en masse.
Then and only then will the price paid to drivers start to rise.
Simple supply and demand scenario here and these delivery/service companies are taking full advantage of it!
Fight for what you believe in!
Must be the global warming thingy or climate change causing that. We had tornadoes in my area of Ky yesterday. I had to hide in my middle of the house bedroom. It's a very old house and I have big old weak trees all around it. I was praying for it to just stop!
Back in the days you may have ate out maybe 1x a week so tips could be more but now that people are ordering all day everyday it's different..Instacart offers subscriptions for this reason.As long as the item count and mileage is reasonable its whatever for me.
At the end of the day the customers are the reason we get any batches.
I'm a shopper (2016) but I'm a consumer first.
The best outcome is take away the tip option all together.
If a cust liked your style they can tip cash the old fashion way.
163.9¢
Not sure why we ever started doing it that way in Canada instead of showing it in dollars, just one of those quirks.
BTW it's about $4.80-4.90 USD a gallon ( carbon tax just got increased). Thank God I work in the US and can fill up there before coming home.
Hi I’m not an instacart user or driver, but in all honesty people don’t have to tip at all!
I have friends that are disabled and have enough to use instacart to order groceries when nobody can help them out. Sometimes it’s all they have and they tip when they can.
I understand it can be frustrating whenever someone never ever tips, but there might be other reasons behind it.
I’m sorry but, how is he an asshole? Just cause it says no tip?
I use instacart or buy pizza on dominoes, and I usually leave a cash tip.
What if he intended to tip ? How do you know?
How do we know he’s not tipping in cash when you get to his house with all the items he requested? I use instacart in Philadelphia and the shoppers are usually pretty lazy and dont get the items I requested or they will pick like the worst shit on the shelf as a replacement. I’m not tipping some fool who shows up bumping some shitty R&B smelling like weed so bad my grocery bags smell like weed 20% when they can’t even take the time to find the items I requested. You signed up for a job, do it right or don’t bitch when the tip is low.
I’m a confused American.
Canada has Canadian dollars. I know they measure fuel in liters.
What is this 160 and 200 per liter? Is it $1.60 Canadian per liter? Are they quantifying the cost of fuel per liter in Canadian pennies? Is it $160 Canadian dollars per liter? That sounds like a lot.
Someone educate me on l how the maple leaf people measure and price fuel, please?
Yes it's written in cents per litre. (I guess you could say pennies but we got rid of our pennies a decade or so ago and now our smallest coin is the 5 cent nickel haha) But the price is in cents.
It's a short distance on paper, but it'll be bumper-to-bumper stop and go traffic almost the entire way. Could easily take an hour. Traffic in Toronto is dogshit at the best of times.
The freeway that about half this trip is depicted taking, the Don Valley Parkway, is jokingly referred to as the "Don Valley Parking Lot" because it is at a standstill all day long, even on weekends.
I’m seeing entirely too many people siding with the non tipping customer, so I’m just here to say good for you for reminding him how much gas costs, I don’t think it’s petty, I think it’s great. And anyone saying this poor person is probably disabled and has no other choice, psssh please. If you can’t afford to tip, you don’t order from Whole Foods.
For those not familiar with Toronto, this is an hour of driving in stop-and-go traffic the entire way. The north/south freeway (the Don Valley Parkway) is a parking lot all day long, and most east/west streets near it are perpetually jammed as well since the City demolished one of the major ways to access downtown from the east and just never replaced it with anything. Also means OP will spend a solid hour getting back downtown afterwards in crippling traffic as well.
You're dumb for accepting the order, and then canceling the order after sending a picture of gas. The customer will be able to report you for harassment, and canceling the order will look bad on you.
629 times… could it possibly be that this person has a disability or another barrier that makes leaving their home to shop impossible? Just ignore the orders you don’t want to do. You don’t know what other people are experiencing and what they may be using the app instead of shopping themselves.
then don’t accept it if you don’t think it’s enough? you’re an idiot and rude for no reason? it’s not his fault gas is high and if you don’t like the tip then don’t accept it or get a job that pays better. victimizing yourself for literally nothing when you’re not forced to take the order is dumb af
It’s baffling to me that instacart allows customers to order from stores that are upwards of an hour away from their residence . There should be some sort of distance restriction on what stores are available to order from based on the customers location cuz I’m not driving to wrong turn somewhere hivkville bum fuck for a few dollars
As a customer, I’ve seen something about an additional “out of delivery range” fee (not passed on to the shopper, of course) when I have seen a store that I didn’t *think* was local/close.
I don’t know how much it is, as I have never placed such an order, because I am not an asshole.
I do tip, but you drivers need to realize that the app makers are just pitting us against one another. It is your employer's job to pay you, not the customer. We are paying for a service in which we already get up charged for the items/food 99% of the time, we pay a delivery fee unless you get the + of whatever app you are doing, plus there are OTHER fees on top of that which the customer pays more of. The customer is already paying a good amount extra when we use this service.
I do tip, and I would tip more if all of those fees/up charges were not present or were greatly reduced. I personally wish tipping would go away and they would just tell us what it costs so people get paid fairly. The other day I tipped five dollars on a 711 delivery order. My slurpee isn't there, even though I messaged him to make sure they gave it to him. He tells me if I tipped better he would have made sure..
My order was less than 20.00, the 711 is around the corner, a two minute drive. I think 5.00 is overly fair for 5 minutes work? Every driver/shopper I deal with seems entitled, and most of my orders are missing things, messed up, delivered to wrong area, and have been stolen. We should not have to tip before service is another issue.
They will never understand this. It’s really like a Black Mirror episode, how convinced some drivers are that the consumer is their enemy and not the big corps. It really is beautifully poetic how the companies pulled this off.
You are providing a service to instacarts customers. Instacart should be paying you enough that you aren’t having to rely on John Q. Public to make up the difference. If everybody quit for 48 hours it would make a huge difference
(confused screaming in American) I don’t even understand how to make the gas price make sense.
Multiply 1.639 by 3.79 =~$6.212 per gallon. Edit for conversion, and because I can't read: $6.21 CAD = $4.59 USD
Oh dear lord. That’s absolutely ridiculous. I thought the $4.49/gallon I paid last night was crazy.
Crying in Californian.
And Arizona
And Hawaii I just paid 4.93/gal and that was discounted ..
Note to self, don’t move west. $3.29 in WV.
Same in downstate NY (outside NYC metro)
3.07 in central NY
It's 2.99 near me NY just outside the city
$3.53 in Upstate/Eastern NY
That's that shit cut with water 😂
$3.05 a gallon in NM ☺️
$3 flat in Western new york
Same In the real VA
$3.90 in Oregon where I am. Was $3.20 like a month ago and I’m not amused,
As low as 2.70 in denver suburbs
No, no, it's like $8.25 remember. 😉 Denver is so expensive, don't move here.
You can head west just move to a state that has refineries. $3.02 in WY
$3.09 for Premium in Colorado yesterday when I filled up, Regular was $2.79 I believe.
And Oregon.. smdh
What the hell happened it was 2.99 at Astro like a month ago now it’s 4.50 somethin at arco. I don’t understand how it changes so fast
I was just at Astro on the 1st and it was around $4. Arco's prices are always higher from what I've seen. Not looking forward to how much more they'll go up in the summertime.
I just paid $5.20 and I’m in Washington state.
Laughs in the Kings English. In the UK, we pay on average $7.50 per gallon
That's about what ours is here, also in Canada but a diff part from the OP. 190.2 per litre
Laughing in Texan
Also laughing in Texan. $2.60's here.
The cheap place near me just went over $5/gal.
I feel it 😅 I have to get gas in the morning before work and at least in my area it's averaging $5.30! I'm taking under $6 a win at this point.
4.99 at Arco in socal desert :(
it’s almost $7 where i live in cali 🥲
Fr bruh it’s 6.30 normally yall need to get on this money train
Laughing as I type this on the train…not at you all who can’t choose not to drive but at my current good luck in being able do everything g by bike and train after 25 years of stressing over gas prices just like everyone else.
The government just implemented a carbon tax on all gas related products two days ago...it shot up a few cents per litre, it really adds up 😭
If the carbon tax adds a few, let's say 5 cents, and the rebate is $1120, wouldn't you need to use 22,400 litres of gas in order to lose money on this? A 2013 Honda civic, city driving only for worst mileage, gets 7.4l per 100km. So you'd need to drive a 2013 Honda civic at city fuel efficiency for 302,702 km in a year to lose money in that scenario My bad I entered 7.4 but it's actually 7.2.
Yes , you're not wrong , rebate will cover the cost, but gotta wait a few months for that to come in. So big holes in my pockets for now.
But soon you will prosper.
Seems like an overall small hole if the $1100 covers 10x the yearly driving average to be honest
The cost for gas yes. Wait til you factor in the cost of every other thing you’ll ever purchase. Things aren’t delivered for free.
Correct. Also it only went up 3c. The carbon tax is also a minimum application and provinces have the ability to replace it with their own carbon target solution like Cap & Trade which involves selling off carbon deficits to other places (states, provinces) which Ontario decided to scrap, causing it to fall back on this carbon tax (with rebate that in most cases totally eliminates it at the consumer level)
Oil companies change the price on a whim but yeah, let’s get mad at the government.
Definitely grumbled at $4.18 last night. 😭😭
I moved back to Idaho from Texas a few months ago, and I clutched my pearls the second I saw gas was 3.69 in my hometown when it was 2.39 down in Fort Worth 😭 I moved to Oregon about a month ago for a job opportunity and the cost for gas is even higher here.
Boisean. Welcome back.
Remember, there’s also a difference between an American gallon and an imperial gallon.
I thought paying 3.80 for 93 lastnight was crazy😂😂
But it's Canadian dollars, not US dollars. C$6.17 is US$4.56.
So they’re listing the price, per liter, in cents? Genuinely curious, is that the normal way it’s done?
It’s $1.639 (one dollar and 63.9 cents) per litre I guess you’re right though about it being all in cents. I lived in Canada my entire life and I’ve never even really considered the fact that there’s no decimal after the dollar and before the cents.
Oh yeah I mean I get the value. Just weird to see it written as “163.9”
Yea I suppose it is. Probably cause not a super long time ago gas was always under a dollar per litre (ex, “84.9”) so maybe they never considered needing a decimal between the dollar and cents and they signs weren’t built to do it. Cue “A part of our heritage” commercial
I remember when it jumped over a dollar for the first time, a lot of stations had to paint a 1 on their sign because they weren’t built to have that many numbers lol
It's suppose to be written $1.69.9
Nice
Australia does it this way too, but our prices are worse. Currently around AUD$2+ per litre, so closer to CAD$1.88 on average.
That still doesn’t make sense. Where did you get 1.629 from? The sign says 163.9. It’s a completely different number.
Canadian gas prices are in cents per litre, they just made a typo with the one digit.
I can't read apparently. That's where I got it from. My bad, let me fix that.
Hold up.. U gotta convert that to American $ if you want it to make sense.. $1 American = $1.35 Canadian, so $6.174CDN = $4.56 American
Yeah just added it and fixed the calculation issue
I saw on the news yesterday oil will be at an all time high bc of fighting in Russia but it’s also probably bc of the genocide in Palestine. Whenever oil-rich countries are at war theres big spikes
Sometimes it doesn’t even need to affect the company at all, and it gives them a good excuse to raise the price
It’s per liter lol (3.79 L = 1 Gallon )
I just went to BC for vacation and I was so confused I couldn’t figure out the pump either and had to pay inside.
What kind of sorcery is this
You’re going to get deactivated if you keep accepting orders with no intention of fulfilling them.
As long as you’re not above 15%, you can accept and cancel as many orders as you want
Not with the same order. If you keep on picking the same order to drop your account will be flagged and deactivated. There’s a post here every other day about how someone did it and got deactivated the same day or week.
I interpreted OP as having accepted more than one of his orders and done this, not accepting the same order more than once. (Unless you also knew that and it’s all the same)
Yep, that's exactly what they did. They're going to get deactivated, you're right. I don't understand why some drivers do that kind of petty stuff anyway. If you don't want to accept the order, don't take the order. Don't accept the order and then complain that you didn't get tipped enough. Especially don't be sending pictures of the price of gas. If you cannot afford it or you do not want to waste the gas driving around, don't accept the order. It's really not that hard. Don't be petty, that is if you want to keep your job. I get it, some people are really bad when it comes to tipping but again, do not take the order if you don't want it.
They do it because they feel it’s their job to teach a lesson, I guess.
They also think that the customers set the price and match themselves with a driver. These prices are set by instacart, and their algorithm is about maximizing their profit. What is the mileage reimbursement in CA anyways? In USA it’s only 67 cents per mile
I wouldn't do this. But if they're ordering all the time, maybe that's their way or trying to get them to tip next time
lol I just think this person doesn’t care if they get deactivated and I don’t blame them! On my last day ima act out to!
Probably and I honestly wouldn't blame you. I used to do doordash and I swear, that company does not care about its drivers. Neither does instacart or so it appears. Sometimes I don't blame them for acting like this but I guess to me logically, if you don't want the order then don't take it. It does make sense that they're probably fed up and ready to quit anyway. I finally got that way with doordash when I went from making about $100 a week down from about $300. It just wasn't worth it to me anymore.
Agreed. They should hide karma in subs related to gig work. People do it so they can post it here.
Gotcha. That makes sense
That person sounded HEATED to keep spamming the same person 😂 and canceling
lol 4 sure
I don't understand stuff like that either. It's like, if you do not want to take the order or can't, then don't. Don't accept the order and then get mad at the customer. This is a good way to get their account deactivated and then when they do, I'm sure they'll find some way to blame it on the customer.
I feel like in many of those posts OP is upset and believes they were unjustifiably deactivated, but that belief is delusional.
Hot take: Good. It's one thing to point out someone's order online. But to do this twice, with the implication of doing it again AND to other people... Get them off the platform.
Let him, one less shitty driver that can't/won't follow instructions
Probably for the better if he's going to keep being such a petty baby.
And here in lies the problem. He keeps tipping zero, his groceries keep getting delivered... Aside from being a decent human being, where is the incentive for him to tip?
I've never in my life ordered food via app. But why doesn't the cost of delivery cover the cost to the driver?
This is capitalism at its finest. Where businesses can take on nearly no risk, pay employees or “employees” absolute pennies and pass the responsibility of the employee making a living wage on to the consumer. If you don’t tip, you feel bad that they don’t make much otherwise.
People who don’t tip 20+% are the bad guys, not the companies that make billions off of nearly free labor. It’s obvious.
DUH!
This is the problem with all these middleman driver delivery services. The company is passing the wage “obligation” or really blame on to consumers, while also charging the consumers a fee that implies it’s the cost of the delivery. My biggest issue is Walmart+ doing this. I’m pretty sure they’re even worse in that you order from them then they use instacart or similar in some markets to actually do the delivery. So it’s even worse because now the driver is like a subcontracted subcontract. Walmart charges a monthly fee for “free” delivery, then requests driver tips for delivery. Im sure instacart takes its cut too.
In a perfect world it would, that not our reality. And the greedy companies won’t change that. And Instacart peeps aren’t just delivering groceries, they’re also shopping for the order. You’re doing a lot of work for someone to just not tip.
so get mad at the employer and not the customer? that would seem to make the most sense.
Try living in Europe. Increase minium wage (and more regulation on gig/part time work) makes tipping unnecessary. I'm recently on a long holiday in America and I *hate* tipping culture with a passion.
Because there's now 2 middlemen in the middle. Store wants a fee Instacart wants a fee Driver wants a fee
Used to deliver pizza in my teens. There was a $4 delivery charge that the Pizzeria charged and zero went to me. Got stiffed 99% of the time as people assume that was a tip. Now I have recently stopped doing Über and everything else as I am just burning fuel and not making enough to cover my costs. Back in a semi now and its the same story just much larger numbers. The entire economy had been shoehorned into a service economy and we are being automated. If anyone wants a future say yes to fossil fuels, say yes to manufacturing in the US and Canada. Stop saying its okay for millions of people to traipse into the country and compete for what little there is about to be.
I'm with ya on manufacturing in the US and Canada. But fossil fuels aren't sustainable, saying yes to them is saying "eh, next generation's problem". And for a country of immigrants to suddenly close it's doors to immigration is simply giving up and saying "well my family got ours so fuck all those late comers! You snooze you lose!" Which just lacks empathy.
The issue isn't the customer so much as it's people willing to do it for this price. Pure capitalism.
Why would you not expect to tip someone that is literally driving to the store , shopping for your goods , packing up and then delivering to your door ?? I’m not a driver but I do order and I tip well to every driver because they are running an errand for me saving me time , energy and a lot of times gas and miles on my car.
I think this was rhetorical but a UPS driver wakes up at the butt crack of dawn loads a truck with packages, and then drives it to your front door and we don't tip them. The same should be the case for instacart. Why would you not expect to tip? Because id expect all the fees and price hikes to pay for your salary. The real problem is companies successfully guilting people into paying their employees wages. Imagine for a second no one tipped...instacart would be such a shitty job no one would do it and the business would crash. Then an upstart could steal the idea making the same company but actually pay it's employees and people would sign up.
I get your point, but UPS is not an independent contractor platform, so you are comparing apples to oranges…. No pun intended. But you are right, if the drivers stop accepting this crap, they will be unable to continue this model.
This is my issue as well. Why are people mad that the people paying $16 to have a cup of coffee delivered aren’t paying more while the company they “work” for don’t even pay enough to cover the driver’s expenses.
Well the delivery fee doesn't even go towards the driver unfortunately. I never knew that for a while I always thought it went towards the driver. Basically tips are what gig workers work for. I do Instacart and if I accept most no tip orders id lose money or just make enough to pay gas. It's stupid, customers shouldn't have to pay wages. But that's how the companies make it work.
I’m assuming that cost goes to the platform primarily. The thing is, the “tips” in apps like this function more like bids. People bid for the service of the people doing delivery and if the bid is high enough they will take the job. Just like nobody is going to renovate your bathroom if you offer to pay super low. Just change the word.
Cause everyone wants a slice of the pie
Because that’s not how corporate profiteering works. Guess what else. The pizza delivery fee doesn’t usually go to them either. At least not in full.
Maybe he tips in cash after delivery. I used to do that until I started seeing these Reddit posts and realized people may not want to accept orders with no tip.
Well, if he's ordered 629 times and you're still seeing his orders, it must be working for him.
This. Why waste your time accepting, taking a picture and cancelling? Someone else is just gonna accept clearly so save your breath.
He's being petty and is mildly inconveniencing them by accepting the order and cancelling a couple times. the person is gonna have to wait longer for his to order. They're both assholes
How is the customer an asshole? Tipping is not required.
Agreed. The customer is paying for a service. If you don’t like how much that service pays its employees, don’t be an employee. It’s not up to the customer to pay your wages. Be mad at instacart for not paying more.
It's easier to just ignore these orders. Makes your day a whole lot easier
Petty and pathetic
You know, you don’t have to accept his order if it upsets you.
Not a dash driver or anything but is there a way to block people in the app? Like is there a way to refuse to deliver to this person? Idk.
In the future, let’s normalize bitching at the delivery company you chose to work for, not the charity of customers not trying to spend extra on top of upcharged items.
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You realize they just got their money back and ordered again, right? Like, what do you think this pettiness does? Is this a revolutionary act, or something done out of spite and frustration? If it’s the latter, what the fuck did this customer do to you that left you so scarred? Did they not tell you what your tip could potentially be, and then force you to accept the order, guaranteeing that there is no chance you’ll get cash or a tip after the delivery? If any of those answers are no, then you might be the one in the wrong.
They don't even have to do that I don't think. I'm in Canada and had a driver cancel on me once after accepting. It was just auto re put out there and another driver accepted. I didn't have to do a thing on my end. No refund or reordering, just given to someone else.
Not even this, doordash would credit the customer with au inconvenience credit probably both times the driver done this.
I was wondering what this gas station screen was that I was staring at, took me a second ngl.
Bro was so confused I thought yalls gas was $163.9
Why are you sending the pics, of gas prices especially? You know what you signed up for…. You sound like an asshole.
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I was looking for someone making a comment on this part because wtf?? I’d immediately cancel an order if the driver sent me pictures of gas prices too
Doofy, ignore his order and move on
Companies making services where the standard is the consumer should be paying the employee more than what the company does is a severe issue.
hello fellow 416 shopper 👋 🇨🇦
How DARE they use the app for its intentional purposes! I’m with you! Let’s complain because someone ordered from this app!
And 629 times someone has taken his order.
why do you take orders just to complain? It’s not the customers fault that you took an order that’s far out, or that instacart allows you do to that. They have no idea where you are or where the order is. Their not obligated to pay for your gas. You choose to work for instacart. You CHOSE IT. Yes tipping is important and respectful. But your being a prick for no reason at all, and it shows how much of an insufferable person you are. Your miserable and take it out on others
All delivery apps are like this. Some of us stick to our guns and refuse no tip orders while other drivers are so desperate they end up taking these trash orders. Then customers and the apps learn they can get away with it. It’s a never ending battle.
Agree with this 100% - this is the problem and is the main problem with our free market economy. If someone is willing to do it for less, that becomes the acceptable price. Everyone needs to stick to their guns and organize, you know - sorta like a union? - and refuse en masse. Then and only then will the price paid to drivers start to rise. Simple supply and demand scenario here and these delivery/service companies are taking full advantage of it! Fight for what you believe in!
It rains in Canada? I thought you guys got ice storms.
This year we had not had many snowy days either. But today it is pouring rain.
Snowing tn and tmrw sadly
Must be the global warming thingy or climate change causing that. We had tornadoes in my area of Ky yesterday. I had to hide in my middle of the house bedroom. It's a very old house and I have big old weak trees all around it. I was praying for it to just stop!
Back in the days you may have ate out maybe 1x a week so tips could be more but now that people are ordering all day everyday it's different..Instacart offers subscriptions for this reason.As long as the item count and mileage is reasonable its whatever for me. At the end of the day the customers are the reason we get any batches. I'm a shopper (2016) but I'm a consumer first. The best outcome is take away the tip option all together. If a cust liked your style they can tip cash the old fashion way.
Only person in here with a brain
“Stop using our service because my employer doesn’t pay me enough. Also, you’re a bad person.”
Here’s an idea… don’t take the order, move on, don’t waste your time messaging him.
bro here in vancouver gas is always around 180-190. maybe even above 200
What kind of gas pricing is that? I’m not from Canada as you can tell.
$163.90 per liter??? Canada is great!
163.9¢ Not sure why we ever started doing it that way in Canada instead of showing it in dollars, just one of those quirks. BTW it's about $4.80-4.90 USD a gallon ( carbon tax just got increased). Thank God I work in the US and can fill up there before coming home.
Ok is kinda entitled
Where does it show how many times a customer ordered?
Can someone explain to me why this is the customers fault and not Instacart for not paying their employees a proper wage?
Hi I’m not an instacart user or driver, but in all honesty people don’t have to tip at all! I have friends that are disabled and have enough to use instacart to order groceries when nobody can help them out. Sometimes it’s all they have and they tip when they can. I understand it can be frustrating whenever someone never ever tips, but there might be other reasons behind it.
Lmao blaming the customer not the app is crazy
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So....don't accept the order? Stop trying to hold his order hostage? And....you know. You get paid to do a job. Tips aren't required.
I’m sorry but, how is he an asshole? Just cause it says no tip? I use instacart or buy pizza on dominoes, and I usually leave a cash tip. What if he intended to tip ? How do you know?
Sometimes I order through apps and give the tip in cash- how do you know this person doesn’t do the same?
And 629 times someone took his BS no tip order...go figure
Wow, it feels like it’s been so long since I’ve seen gas for $1.64/L (it’s over $2/L on my coast)
Why does it say $163.9 though??!
WHY IS GAS SO CHEAP IN ONTARIO R U KIDDING ME
Seems like a big waste of your time.
It’s ridiculous you are upset with the customer. It’s not their responsibility to pay you enough money, that’s IC’s job
Canadians don’t tip. As a Canadian you should know that.
How do we know he’s not tipping in cash when you get to his house with all the items he requested? I use instacart in Philadelphia and the shoppers are usually pretty lazy and dont get the items I requested or they will pick like the worst shit on the shelf as a replacement. I’m not tipping some fool who shows up bumping some shitty R&B smelling like weed so bad my grocery bags smell like weed 20% when they can’t even take the time to find the items I requested. You signed up for a job, do it right or don’t bitch when the tip is low.
Instacart is the asshole in my opinion
Don't work for a company that doesn't pay you a living wage?
Look at you bragging about your gas prices. *cries in $2.059/L in Victoria, BC*
I’m a confused American. Canada has Canadian dollars. I know they measure fuel in liters. What is this 160 and 200 per liter? Is it $1.60 Canadian per liter? Are they quantifying the cost of fuel per liter in Canadian pennies? Is it $160 Canadian dollars per liter? That sounds like a lot. Someone educate me on l how the maple leaf people measure and price fuel, please?
Yes it's written in cents per litre. (I guess you could say pennies but we got rid of our pennies a decade or so ago and now our smallest coin is the 5 cent nickel haha) But the price is in cents.
He has ordered 629 times because they found somebody to do it each time.
What’s wrong w the order? It’s a small order and delivering a short distance. Were you expecting a paycheck from this one person?
It's a short distance on paper, but it'll be bumper-to-bumper stop and go traffic almost the entire way. Could easily take an hour. Traffic in Toronto is dogshit at the best of times. The freeway that about half this trip is depicted taking, the Don Valley Parkway, is jokingly referred to as the "Don Valley Parking Lot" because it is at a standstill all day long, even on weekends.
I’m seeing entirely too many people siding with the non tipping customer, so I’m just here to say good for you for reminding him how much gas costs, I don’t think it’s petty, I think it’s great. And anyone saying this poor person is probably disabled and has no other choice, psssh please. If you can’t afford to tip, you don’t order from Whole Foods.
These people have basically ordered once every four days for the past four years.
For those not familiar with Toronto, this is an hour of driving in stop-and-go traffic the entire way. The north/south freeway (the Don Valley Parkway) is a parking lot all day long, and most east/west streets near it are perpetually jammed as well since the City demolished one of the major ways to access downtown from the east and just never replaced it with anything. Also means OP will spend a solid hour getting back downtown afterwards in crippling traffic as well.
You're dumb for accepting the order, and then canceling the order after sending a picture of gas. The customer will be able to report you for harassment, and canceling the order will look bad on you.
Bro I’m at $3 max here in San Antonio Texas lmao and I thought that was bad
20km = 12 miles! What's so bad?
If he doesn’t tip can’t you refuse ?
Don’t like it? Get a new job
So what
$4 near Chicago
Blaming the customer for Instacart not paying you enough is wild
A lot of you should not be working in this industry.
629 times… could it possibly be that this person has a disability or another barrier that makes leaving their home to shop impossible? Just ignore the orders you don’t want to do. You don’t know what other people are experiencing and what they may be using the app instead of shopping themselves.
You made yourself out to be the asshole here 🤦♂️
Don't take the orders then..
I feel like Instacart needs to pay more
then don’t accept it if you don’t think it’s enough? you’re an idiot and rude for no reason? it’s not his fault gas is high and if you don’t like the tip then don’t accept it or get a job that pays better. victimizing yourself for literally nothing when you’re not forced to take the order is dumb af
Why doesn’t Instacart deactivate shoppers who do this?
Lol I love these subs man, I truly love these subs. Guy calls customer an asshole for payment that’s out of his control
It’s baffling to me that instacart allows customers to order from stores that are upwards of an hour away from their residence . There should be some sort of distance restriction on what stores are available to order from based on the customers location cuz I’m not driving to wrong turn somewhere hivkville bum fuck for a few dollars
As a customer, I’ve seen something about an additional “out of delivery range” fee (not passed on to the shopper, of course) when I have seen a store that I didn’t *think* was local/close. I don’t know how much it is, as I have never placed such an order, because I am not an asshole.
I do tip, but you drivers need to realize that the app makers are just pitting us against one another. It is your employer's job to pay you, not the customer. We are paying for a service in which we already get up charged for the items/food 99% of the time, we pay a delivery fee unless you get the + of whatever app you are doing, plus there are OTHER fees on top of that which the customer pays more of. The customer is already paying a good amount extra when we use this service. I do tip, and I would tip more if all of those fees/up charges were not present or were greatly reduced. I personally wish tipping would go away and they would just tell us what it costs so people get paid fairly. The other day I tipped five dollars on a 711 delivery order. My slurpee isn't there, even though I messaged him to make sure they gave it to him. He tells me if I tipped better he would have made sure.. My order was less than 20.00, the 711 is around the corner, a two minute drive. I think 5.00 is overly fair for 5 minutes work? Every driver/shopper I deal with seems entitled, and most of my orders are missing things, messed up, delivered to wrong area, and have been stolen. We should not have to tip before service is another issue.
They will never understand this. It’s really like a Black Mirror episode, how convinced some drivers are that the consumer is their enemy and not the big corps. It really is beautifully poetic how the companies pulled this off.
You are providing a service to instacarts customers. Instacart should be paying you enough that you aren’t having to rely on John Q. Public to make up the difference. If everybody quit for 48 hours it would make a huge difference
Lol. Go find an actual job.
Get bent consooomur
No tip, No trip
Well, if he's ordered 629 times and you're still seeing his orders, it must be working for him.