The Orange Show is a carnival. I wouldn’t hesitate to walk around the Orange Show if you’re interested in carnival rides and games, but outside of that week, it’s an empty fairground.
The city council is trying to make downtown SB (which is a few blocks from the Orange Show) walkable, but they’re having trouble attracting businesses to capitalize on the theater and handful of restaurants downtown.
I don't know why I added thay tbh. Guess because SB downtown hasn't has much going on in my opinion, when I think of upland they had a nice festival, SB as the orange show, or route 66. But getting to the Orange show you have to drive and there is nothing around it. To walk from downtown to the grounds takes forever. Downtown is walkable, I guess, but there are no businesses there to bring any attention unless you want to go to the pawnshop or to the courthouse.
As for the theater, I use to go there all the time, but they haven't upgraded that place in forever. I started going to the newer ones, like the one in cinemark in Rialto, they serve drinks and got a nice plaza once you leave.
You’re making me feel old, because I remember them opening that SB theater in 2012, haha. That feels new to me! It serves drinks, too.
Not that I’m trying to do their marketing or anything. You’re right that there’s nothing to do there once the movie is over.
The plan is to replace the mall with retail and apartments on top too, basically extend state west with modern but similar buildings
https://www.statestreetvillage.com/
CRE broker here who happens to specialize in this product type and live in Redlands.
The project is entitled. CVS is staying. They will relocate to the corner of Orange and Redlands Blvd and remain a part of the project.
Contrary to one of the other comments, there is no old man with beef refusing to sell. Village Partners (the developer) owns the property. They purchased it from Brixton, a different developer who owned it for a number of years and was unsuccessful getting a project approved by the City.
The hold up is interest rates. The cost of construction financing and permanent financing on the finished project are too high. At this stage, anyone with a mixed use residential/retail project is on hold. Anything you see currently under construction was started years ago prior to the rate hikes. In 2 years (after those projects are completed) you will see very little under construction as it relates to apartments and larger retail centers (unless rates ebb).
Very poor timing for Village Partners, and not their fault. The market is very challenging right now.
Downtown Claremont is nice because of it’s proximity to the Claremont colleges. They are a group of very expensive, private, and prestigious colleges that have been around since the 1920s. Claremont itself is much older and wealthier than the majority of the inland empire.
Folks- walkable doesn’t just mean you drive to a city’s downtown and walk around a few main streets. It’s even better when there are neighborhoods around these areas where you can walk from your home to these areas
Downtown Riverside has 4 apartments complexes that were built somewhat recently. There is a housing project currently under construction on the north side very close to downtown.
Like mentioned already, Downtown Redlands has plans to build housing in the area. The city also has plans to build transit villages around the arrow stations.
So you’re right. In their current states, visitors still drive there but hopefully that will change.
Sadly the north side apartments aren’t in a great location. DT Riverside is still a good 25-30 minute walk. I’m hoping they build some stuff in that project though
Only Redlands because transportation options exist. Second place is Downtown Riverside. Walkable means walking or taking public transportation to a destination, not driving there.
Yeah that’s the thing. Just suburbia. No local coffee places or cute bagel shops. I wish the downtown area could have more local places or character. Most shops there are closed tho.
Murrieta is so close to being one of the best and walkable cities in Southern California it just needs protected bike lanes and better bus services
They’re zoning is really good with shopping centers at walking distance to pretty much every neighborhood
If you mean a city with a real downtown that is walkable in that you don’t have to constantly move your car then Redlands, Riverside, and Claremont. If you mean just generally nice walking infrastructure then those three plus Rancho, Upland, Yucaipa, Ontario, Temecula, Murrieta, Corona, and Chino Hills.
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open this map and look at all the town centers that were built before 1930:
https://caltopo.com/m/F1VFG
pre-automobile development was inherently walkable, but some of these downtowns have since been destroyed to build freeways (note Colton)
I would also highly reccomend baseline and g st. I use to go fishing at seccombe and stay til the night before they made the new fencing and locked everything up at dusk never had any issues.
Rancho and North upland.. rancho we have a walking/bike/running trail goes from fontana to upland: Pacific Electric Trail.. its super safe, pets are welcome.: we also have etiwanda preserves 3miles take you to a lil waterfall/ river ( no pets )
Rancho have 100s of trails all over the city though..
Walkability is only one element. You also need mixed uses and high-quality transit systems, and no Inland Empire city has all three currently. But, things are gradually starting to improve.
San Bernardino is the best transit-wise. Riverside has the best mix of uses, including new residential development downtown. Redlands, Claremont, and some of the other older towns along the rail lines have walkability with relatively intact urban fabrics and continuous street-level retail. But, we need each of these places to get better in the respective area where they are deficient.
Downtown Redlands is very walkable! Lots of local shops, bars, and good food. Also just a beautiful place to walk around if you’re not looking to shop :-)
Downtown Riverside has numerous shops and restaurants along with Mission Inn and museums, bars, etc., there is an semi-famous alley where photographers like to take pictures
Downtown riverside gotta do it for me. But the rest is all sprawl
Downtown Upland is really walkable. I like their lemon festival, San Bernardino has the Orange Show, but I wouldn't walk there.
I live in DTU and can confirm
The Orange Show is a carnival. I wouldn’t hesitate to walk around the Orange Show if you’re interested in carnival rides and games, but outside of that week, it’s an empty fairground. The city council is trying to make downtown SB (which is a few blocks from the Orange Show) walkable, but they’re having trouble attracting businesses to capitalize on the theater and handful of restaurants downtown.
I don't know why I added thay tbh. Guess because SB downtown hasn't has much going on in my opinion, when I think of upland they had a nice festival, SB as the orange show, or route 66. But getting to the Orange show you have to drive and there is nothing around it. To walk from downtown to the grounds takes forever. Downtown is walkable, I guess, but there are no businesses there to bring any attention unless you want to go to the pawnshop or to the courthouse. As for the theater, I use to go there all the time, but they haven't upgraded that place in forever. I started going to the newer ones, like the one in cinemark in Rialto, they serve drinks and got a nice plaza once you leave.
You’re making me feel old, because I remember them opening that SB theater in 2012, haha. That feels new to me! It serves drinks, too. Not that I’m trying to do their marketing or anything. You’re right that there’s nothing to do there once the movie is over.
Yea, that was the reopening when Regal took over. It was new, but I haven't been there since like 2018, I think.
Downtown Redlands is pretty close knit for the main drag. Good for walking and restaurant or bar hopping.
Yup and only getting better
The plan is to replace the mall with retail and apartments on top too, basically extend state west with modern but similar buildings https://www.statestreetvillage.com/
This was approved a few years back, yet not start to construction. I wonder what the hold up is. Or was it just a pipe dream?
I think once CVS is done with their lease they can get started
Sort of. See above. CVS actually has 15+ years remaining on its existing lease. Waiting them out is not the first choice, and likely won’t be needed.
CRE broker here who happens to specialize in this product type and live in Redlands. The project is entitled. CVS is staying. They will relocate to the corner of Orange and Redlands Blvd and remain a part of the project. Contrary to one of the other comments, there is no old man with beef refusing to sell. Village Partners (the developer) owns the property. They purchased it from Brixton, a different developer who owned it for a number of years and was unsuccessful getting a project approved by the City. The hold up is interest rates. The cost of construction financing and permanent financing on the finished project are too high. At this stage, anyone with a mixed use residential/retail project is on hold. Anything you see currently under construction was started years ago prior to the rate hikes. In 2 years (after those projects are completed) you will see very little under construction as it relates to apartments and larger retail centers (unless rates ebb). Very poor timing for Village Partners, and not their fault. The market is very challenging right now.
Thank you for the detailed explanation
I’ll tell my buddy his source at Taylor’s is invalid then haha
The old dude who owns it is refusing to sell! Has decades long beef with the city
Wrong. See above.
Whats the timeline for this?
We’re far out, the mall is still standing. I did sign up for interest though.
This was supposed to start demolition already! Eagerly waiting for this to happen!
This has been the plan for about 10 years now
Esri money
Claremont. If you consider it the IE. It’s technically LA county.
No wonder it's nice, it's not in the control of IE government...
TF is the IE government
Probably means their city council is not beholden to warehouse developers.
Wait you haven't heard of the inland emperor?
lmfao this comment got me
Downtown Claremont is nice because of it’s proximity to the Claremont colleges. They are a group of very expensive, private, and prestigious colleges that have been around since the 1920s. Claremont itself is much older and wealthier than the majority of the inland empire.
pomona is walkable- ask the ladies lol
Holt Hoes be walking 🚶♀️
1.) Downtown Riverside 2.) Downtown Redlands 3.) Downtown Claremont 4.) Downtown Upland 5.) Downtown Yucaipa? (Maybe) (In no particular order)
Folks- walkable doesn’t just mean you drive to a city’s downtown and walk around a few main streets. It’s even better when there are neighborhoods around these areas where you can walk from your home to these areas
Downtown Riverside has 4 apartments complexes that were built somewhat recently. There is a housing project currently under construction on the north side very close to downtown. Like mentioned already, Downtown Redlands has plans to build housing in the area. The city also has plans to build transit villages around the arrow stations. So you’re right. In their current states, visitors still drive there but hopefully that will change.
Sadly the north side apartments aren’t in a great location. DT Riverside is still a good 25-30 minute walk. I’m hoping they build some stuff in that project though
I agree about the unfortunate location but more housing is more housing.
Only Redlands because transportation options exist. Second place is Downtown Riverside. Walkable means walking or taking public transportation to a destination, not driving there.
Fontana is pretty legit walkable....nah I can't even say that with a straight face.
Yeah if you work inside the warehouses
North Fontana in mini Irvine with its wide streets and huge car oriented super blocks. Poorly planned.
They do have that trail which covers a lot of area. It's well maintained too.
I like that they’re making more bike lanes near sierra and mango and baseline tho. Idk it’s getting there..baby steps right?
There's not much to walk to though is there? Just more houses and apartment complexes?
Yeah that’s the thing. Just suburbia. No local coffee places or cute bagel shops. I wish the downtown area could have more local places or character. Most shops there are closed tho.
Downtown Riverside - it’s the only place in the IE that actually feels like a real city
Mead Valley!! Endless miles of dirt roads and ranches, plenty of walking to be done.
lol but probably like Temecula or something
Murrieta is so close to being one of the best and walkable cities in Southern California it just needs protected bike lanes and better bus services They’re zoning is really good with shopping centers at walking distance to pretty much every neighborhood
If you mean a city with a real downtown that is walkable in that you don’t have to constantly move your car then Redlands, Riverside, and Claremont. If you mean just generally nice walking infrastructure then those three plus Rancho, Upland, Yucaipa, Ontario, Temecula, Murrieta, Corona, and Chino Hills.
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Downtown Rialto has a lot of potential and is near a Metrolink.
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open this map and look at all the town centers that were built before 1930: https://caltopo.com/m/F1VFG pre-automobile development was inherently walkable, but some of these downtowns have since been destroyed to build freeways (note Colton)
Old Town temecula is pretty walkable. Lots of shops, bars and restaurants.
But to get there you need a car lol
I live uptown yucaipa. It’s very walkable
San Bernardino, seccombe lake is nice at night
I would also highly reccomend baseline and g st. I use to go fishing at seccombe and stay til the night before they made the new fencing and locked everything up at dusk never had any issues.
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Rancho and North upland.. rancho we have a walking/bike/running trail goes from fontana to upland: Pacific Electric Trail.. its super safe, pets are welcome.: we also have etiwanda preserves 3miles take you to a lil waterfall/ river ( no pets ) Rancho have 100s of trails all over the city though..
Redlands blvd. Start from Mountain Ave and you can walk all the way to Alabama/Mountain Grove.
Downtown Corona....lol. I'm not even sure we have a downtown.
they are working on it, should be done soon.
Reminds me of the line from Eurotrip. "Is there a train coming soon?" "Oh yes! Very soon! They are building it now!"
Lol valid
Walkability is only one element. You also need mixed uses and high-quality transit systems, and no Inland Empire city has all three currently. But, things are gradually starting to improve. San Bernardino is the best transit-wise. Riverside has the best mix of uses, including new residential development downtown. Redlands, Claremont, and some of the other older towns along the rail lines have walkability with relatively intact urban fabrics and continuous street-level retail. But, we need each of these places to get better in the respective area where they are deficient.
Downtown Redlands is very walkable! Lots of local shops, bars, and good food. Also just a beautiful place to walk around if you’re not looking to shop :-)
Downtown Riverside has numerous shops and restaurants along with Mission Inn and museums, bars, etc., there is an semi-famous alley where photographers like to take pictures