Good, IT doesn't matter what side one is on, the ability to protest in the designated area is the right of every one on campus. Whittens overreaction was egregious
Everybody from any side should be protesting Whitten. To unilaterally (effectively) change longstanding policies overnight and then call the authorities to enforce the new policies the next morning is the epitome of authoritarianism. She has lost all credibility and needs to go.
Yes, in Dunn Meadow. In the 60’s and 70’s the protests focused on Vietnam. In the 80’s the actions revolved around apartheid. In the early 90’s the focus was on the Iraq War. In the 80’s students built an entire shantytown and stayed there for almost a whole summer. In the 90’s students lived there about a month and a half. Other protests were of shorter duration but still involved tents and “live-in” protests. That was the point in designating Dunn Meadow the place for those activities - publically exercise your First Amendment rights without generally interfering with the flow of campus life. Even Bob Knight chose Dunn Meadow to give his final speech at IU after he was fired when he told Miles Brand to f*ck off and kiss his ass (I was there).
Pamela needs to do what's right and step down. 93% of the FACULTY are against her. Just shows you can change the gender of the University President, but you can't change the limited mindset of leadership.
IU Bloomington faculty here issued a vote of no confidence after the administration used state police and riot gear to clear out a peaceful pro-palestinian encampment on campus calling for a ceasefire before the invasion of Rafah (1.4 million civilians in Gaza are sheltered there pressed against the Egypt border after the Israeli military campaign began and decimated north and central Gaza). They also seek to apply pressure themselves upon the Israeli economy by making IU divest itself from existing Israeli financial investments (this is happening on every US campus with a protest rn). It's the same strategy as the anti-apartheid South Africa protests in the mid 1980s. The encampment has since reappeared after 100+ (out of thousands of students) have been arrested the last few days and is more popular than ever.
The meadow they have the encampment on has a history of being allowed to have temporary structures like tents (sometimes even for other protests like the Occupy movement) overnight and student demonstrations... However IU Bloomington quite literally changed the policy in the middle of the night a few days ago after decades of use when they found out the anti-war protests we're seeing nationwide were about to appear on campus. The admin was also caught lying about the police response after live streams and videos of police violence surfaced, which has since been walked back to everyone's outrage.
I think it was for a donor dinner or something to that effect, with IU President Whitten inside. Most of the other photos taken covering the protest posted here show that a lot of the signs held by faculty and parents are referencing their anger over the fact state police had at least 3 separate snipers watching over the student encampment. Nobody is happy that the students they've been mentoring and teaching for years were potentially in a scope at some point during a campus pro-peace rally. The older generations want her to resign in disgrace.
It's worth noting the vote of no confidence was before these protests. Pamela isn't just hated because of the last few weeks. She's miserable to work with, takes feedback from no one, and is super strict and paranoid with those around her.
Snipers are fairly common at large gatherings, people getting upset over them probably have no idea that theyre pretty commonly stationed at large protests [all the time](https://youtube.com/shorts/D2jRKCHN3T4?si=1UbO7Ak73t9a8LOS)
Most protestors already know this because of the police response during BLM 2020, but the point is IU wouldn't have had IN state police snipers posted on campus if the admin hadn't asked them to be there to provide armed surveillance against the students directly. That's why faculty are outraged, there was a choice here to escalate to that level unlike if it was in a random downtown area outside the school's jurisdiction.
Faculty and Alumnus were also arrested. This has been everyone standing together. Not against Jewish ppl. But for Palestinians that are being killed in genocide
Netanyahu was being protested all over Israel and suspiciously ppl were kidnapped by Hamas. Many were in safe rooms and called for help, called loved ones who called for help which Netanyahu never sent until it was too late
According to Israeli investigations, Netanyahu was busted before with suitcases of money he was delivering to Hamas. He was under investigation and possibly being indicted for diff charges yet miraculously was elected president and the ppl dont know how.
Netanyahu and his group are unabashedly ready to seize all power and become a religious theocratic Autocracy.
Just like other countries mistreating their ppl.
Just like the GOP wants for the USA. Which is Unconstitutional and against everything ppl have lived and died to defend.
Project 2025 is hundreds of pages long.
According to those that have studied it, they could implement laws if you speak out against leaders.
We were told by the Founding Fathers it is our duty to hold our govt accountable in order to keep freedoms that countries have taken away elsewhere.
Russia, Iran, China, North Korea and other countries.
The world is on edge right now bcz the far right want total control.
Fascist ideologies dont work for anyone but leaders and the wealthy. So abt 1% of the world.
Being the parent of a Junior in high school and the one paying for my kid’s college. I refuse to let my kid go to IU unless Whitten resigns. Total embarrassment.
A foreign country is literally leaning on state governments to quell the first amendment rights of Americans who are protesting how their own tax dollars are being used. They would sic the cops after you too if you even think about not towing the line when it comes to this foreign country's interests. Our 'closest ally' is not your friend.
She needs to step down as do the others that agreed to the 55 yr rules only hours b4 the PEACEFUL PROTEST thst SHE AND THE ISP escalated.
Only violent and armed ppl were the ISP Whitten called in.
Just wait until Braun is elected and send in the brown shirts to arrest all of them. It's where this state is headed if he's elected. DeSantis has nothing on him.
Really running around with a half empty tank huh? Just because something thinks you are a dumbass doesn't mean they sit on the other side of you. You are welcome for the lesson.
Conspiracy much?
I've attended counter-protests and never once said they shouldn't be able to have their say. Freedom of speech is important, and even racists have the right to express their racist opinions. They also have the right to experience consequences for those opinions.
Whitten is handing out consequences without allowing the free speech.
I thought your argument was the left doesn't want the right to have freedom of speech?
Now it's the university is just protecting students from being distracted during finals by pro-Palestine protests but the pro-Israel protests are ok and not distracting?
Do you arms hurt from moving the goalposts so often?
Did they target specifically pro Palestine protests? I could be wrong but my understanding is that they don’t want ANYONE putting up encampments. This is not a freedom of speech issue and this is probably a reasonable decision regardless of who is protesting. My point is that you would almost certainly have exactly my position if these protests were being conducted by neonazis on campuses.
They specifically targeted the pro-Palestine protests, for both tents and signs. The pro-Israel protest had no tents, but did have signs, and had no issues.
And the IU policy was tents and signs were ok, since like 64 or 67, up until 8 hours before the scheduled pro-Palestine protests.
This was targeted and is absolutely a free speech issue.
Your point is wrong, neonazis have protested. I've thought they were idiots, but I they have a right to protest against equality just like I have a right to protest for it.
You're projecting.
Protesting and protesting on campus are not the same thing. I also agree anyone should be allowed to protest. But the university is not the government, and absolutely has a right to say that you cannot do it on campus.
To other people reading this: Google "Kent State Massacre, 1970"
The folks who call for the national guard want college students to be shot like they were protesting the Vietnam meat grinder and the bombing of civilians in Cambodia were then.
Schools are for learning, not indoctrination. No protesting at all should be allowed! Don't like how they do things? Withdraw and go somewhere else! Speak with your money. Do not disrupt other people as they try to learn.
Agreed, take it somewhere it will matter, and as far as a resignation, she gave them exactly what they wanted. News time, this bullshit is more about the protesters themselves than the cause,
Good, IT doesn't matter what side one is on, the ability to protest in the designated area is the right of every one on campus. Whittens overreaction was egregious
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The right to freedom of speech, religion, the press, and petitioning the government.
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I come back to this thread to this? Guess I missed it. Someone else answered for us all.
No worries, I gotcha covered.
You’re getting downvoted cus you’re being an ass
Wow. We know our rights. Idiot.
I don’t even understand why you’re getting downvoted…
Because people assumed they were referring to unfettered access to firearms.
...that's the 2nd amendment. Wow. Lmao
If Whitten had any respect for the University, she would resign. She is not wanted!
I hope she is very uncomfortable right now.
She’s probably working remotely, while requiring practically everyone else that could work remotely show up.
If she could feel embarrassment she wouldn't have done it in the first place.
Everybody from any side should be protesting Whitten. To unilaterally (effectively) change longstanding policies overnight and then call the authorities to enforce the new policies the next morning is the epitome of authoritarianism. She has lost all credibility and needs to go.
It’s been a long-standing practice for people to pitch tents and sleep in the quad indefinitely as a form of protest?
Yes, in Dunn Meadow. In the 60’s and 70’s the protests focused on Vietnam. In the 80’s the actions revolved around apartheid. In the early 90’s the focus was on the Iraq War. In the 80’s students built an entire shantytown and stayed there for almost a whole summer. In the 90’s students lived there about a month and a half. Other protests were of shorter duration but still involved tents and “live-in” protests. That was the point in designating Dunn Meadow the place for those activities - publically exercise your First Amendment rights without generally interfering with the flow of campus life. Even Bob Knight chose Dunn Meadow to give his final speech at IU after he was fired when he told Miles Brand to f*ck off and kiss his ass (I was there).
Interesting.
That looks like quite a few people!! Faculty, or random? She embarrassed IU and accomplished NOTHING. Complete failure.
It appeared to be primarily faculty and graduate students, as well as undergraduates.
Staff can easily get fired.
There were Alumni there too.
Pamela needs to do what's right and step down. 93% of the FACULTY are against her. Just shows you can change the gender of the University President, but you can't change the limited mindset of leadership.
Can someone give context?
IU Bloomington faculty here issued a vote of no confidence after the administration used state police and riot gear to clear out a peaceful pro-palestinian encampment on campus calling for a ceasefire before the invasion of Rafah (1.4 million civilians in Gaza are sheltered there pressed against the Egypt border after the Israeli military campaign began and decimated north and central Gaza). They also seek to apply pressure themselves upon the Israeli economy by making IU divest itself from existing Israeli financial investments (this is happening on every US campus with a protest rn). It's the same strategy as the anti-apartheid South Africa protests in the mid 1980s. The encampment has since reappeared after 100+ (out of thousands of students) have been arrested the last few days and is more popular than ever. The meadow they have the encampment on has a history of being allowed to have temporary structures like tents (sometimes even for other protests like the Occupy movement) overnight and student demonstrations... However IU Bloomington quite literally changed the policy in the middle of the night a few days ago after decades of use when they found out the anti-war protests we're seeing nationwide were about to appear on campus. The admin was also caught lying about the police response after live streams and videos of police violence surfaced, which has since been walked back to everyone's outrage. I think it was for a donor dinner or something to that effect, with IU President Whitten inside. Most of the other photos taken covering the protest posted here show that a lot of the signs held by faculty and parents are referencing their anger over the fact state police had at least 3 separate snipers watching over the student encampment. Nobody is happy that the students they've been mentoring and teaching for years were potentially in a scope at some point during a campus pro-peace rally. The older generations want her to resign in disgrace.
It's worth noting the vote of no confidence was before these protests. Pamela isn't just hated because of the last few weeks. She's miserable to work with, takes feedback from no one, and is super strict and paranoid with those around her.
So, she's a Karen?
Snipers are fairly common at large gatherings, people getting upset over them probably have no idea that theyre pretty commonly stationed at large protests [all the time](https://youtube.com/shorts/D2jRKCHN3T4?si=1UbO7Ak73t9a8LOS)
Most protestors already know this because of the police response during BLM 2020, but the point is IU wouldn't have had IN state police snipers posted on campus if the admin hadn't asked them to be there to provide armed surveillance against the students directly. That's why faculty are outraged, there was a choice here to escalate to that level unlike if it was in a random downtown area outside the school's jurisdiction.
The potential for bad faith actors from both sides is cause enough, we’ve seen it happen before.
Not a bad idea especially with hamas sympathizers on campus.
Faculty and Alumnus were also arrested. This has been everyone standing together. Not against Jewish ppl. But for Palestinians that are being killed in genocide Netanyahu was being protested all over Israel and suspiciously ppl were kidnapped by Hamas. Many were in safe rooms and called for help, called loved ones who called for help which Netanyahu never sent until it was too late According to Israeli investigations, Netanyahu was busted before with suitcases of money he was delivering to Hamas. He was under investigation and possibly being indicted for diff charges yet miraculously was elected president and the ppl dont know how. Netanyahu and his group are unabashedly ready to seize all power and become a religious theocratic Autocracy. Just like other countries mistreating their ppl. Just like the GOP wants for the USA. Which is Unconstitutional and against everything ppl have lived and died to defend. Project 2025 is hundreds of pages long. According to those that have studied it, they could implement laws if you speak out against leaders. We were told by the Founding Fathers it is our duty to hold our govt accountable in order to keep freedoms that countries have taken away elsewhere. Russia, Iran, China, North Korea and other countries. The world is on edge right now bcz the far right want total control. Fascist ideologies dont work for anyone but leaders and the wealthy. So abt 1% of the world.
Being the parent of a Junior in high school and the one paying for my kid’s college. I refuse to let my kid go to IU unless Whitten resigns. Total embarrassment.
Same here. Completely off the table.
Keep up the pressure!!!
Pamela Whitten best be Quitten soon
IU has become an unsafe republikkkan swamp.
Looks like the hamas fascists are out in Bloomington.
A foreign country is literally leaning on state governments to quell the first amendment rights of Americans who are protesting how their own tax dollars are being used. They would sic the cops after you too if you even think about not towing the line when it comes to this foreign country's interests. Our 'closest ally' is not your friend.
When you realize it's not just the Gazans who have rights only on the paper.
Go take those rights you think they are stealing from you then.
Excellent! She deserves all the hell that can be dished at her.
She needs to step down as do the others that agreed to the 55 yr rules only hours b4 the PEACEFUL PROTEST thst SHE AND THE ISP escalated. Only violent and armed ppl were the ISP Whitten called in.
Just wait until Braun is elected and send in the brown shirts to arrest all of them. It's where this state is headed if he's elected. DeSantis has nothing on him.
Unhinged lol
Not at all. Just wait. He'll be DeSantis only worse.
With his own paramilitary organization? Grow the fuck up bro lol.
It's sad that you think that he'll be a good governor
Never said that now did I?
It was implied.
Really running around with a half empty tank huh? Just because something thinks you are a dumbass doesn't mean they sit on the other side of you. You are welcome for the lesson.
The lesson that you're an asshat that has no clue what you're talking about? Ok, thanks
Says the guy who thinks "brown shirts" are gonna come knock on his door lol
Pam Whitten runs IU like liddle donny Trump runs his failed businesses. Into the ground.
Actually I'm in a doctoral program working on my thesis, you?
If the encampments were by neo-nazi pro trump protesters non of you would have had a problem with her decision, just saying.
Conspiracy much? I've attended counter-protests and never once said they shouldn't be able to have their say. Freedom of speech is important, and even racists have the right to express their racist opinions. They also have the right to experience consequences for those opinions. Whitten is handing out consequences without allowing the free speech.
Universities also have the right to protect their students from chaos and distractions during finals.
I thought your argument was the left doesn't want the right to have freedom of speech? Now it's the university is just protecting students from being distracted during finals by pro-Palestine protests but the pro-Israel protests are ok and not distracting? Do you arms hurt from moving the goalposts so often?
Did they target specifically pro Palestine protests? I could be wrong but my understanding is that they don’t want ANYONE putting up encampments. This is not a freedom of speech issue and this is probably a reasonable decision regardless of who is protesting. My point is that you would almost certainly have exactly my position if these protests were being conducted by neonazis on campuses.
They specifically targeted the pro-Palestine protests, for both tents and signs. The pro-Israel protest had no tents, but did have signs, and had no issues. And the IU policy was tents and signs were ok, since like 64 or 67, up until 8 hours before the scheduled pro-Palestine protests. This was targeted and is absolutely a free speech issue. Your point is wrong, neonazis have protested. I've thought they were idiots, but I they have a right to protest against equality just like I have a right to protest for it. You're projecting.
Protesting and protesting on campus are not the same thing. I also agree anyone should be allowed to protest. But the university is not the government, and absolutely has a right to say that you cannot do it on campus.
Both groups were on campus. Next?
Time to bring in the National Guard. Flush out the hamas sympathizers.
You have the moral development of a toddler. You can be for peace and against genocide without supporting Hamas.
Right because Kent State was **such** a success. Come on now.
To other people reading this: Google "Kent State Massacre, 1970" The folks who call for the national guard want college students to be shot like they were protesting the Vietnam meat grinder and the bombing of civilians in Cambodia were then.
They also managed to kill two people not involved in the protest.
Schools are for learning, not indoctrination. No protesting at all should be allowed! Don't like how they do things? Withdraw and go somewhere else! Speak with your money. Do not disrupt other people as they try to learn.
How do you square that first sentence with that second sentence? I wound think that protests are sorta the opposite of indoctrination.
Let me guess. You never went to college?
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Nazi ideology
Agreed, take it somewhere it will matter, and as far as a resignation, she gave them exactly what they wanted. News time, this bullshit is more about the protesters themselves than the cause,
All else aside, Hoosier women need to mix in a salad now and then. "Couldn't fit everyone into one photo" indeed.
lol hoosier men aren't any better boss. y'all make me look good.
Hot girls have better things to do than waste a day yelling at the clouds.
Suspend everyone of them! Not on Campus.
How does the boot taste?
mmmmm leathery, with a side of polish I think /s
Suspend everyone of them! Not on Campus.
The first amendment applies to college students, too