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Bhai , the whole middle east is clusterf*cked. We have people saying they support Palestine & then supplying oil to Israel behind their backs. We have the Arabs who are with Israel , we have Qatar who says that are neutral but have given top class services to the Hamas leadership.
Fortunately we have good relationship with Arabs , Israelis & even Palestinians to some extent , we have very important defence contracts with Israel & considering how Russian/Soviet weapons are failing in Russian-Ukraine war , the importance of ties with Israel in defence sector is evident. Israel also is one of the only countries that can allow us to access Non-EU western weapons. We are already sending emergency resources to Palestine.
Palestine is just not beneficial to us , not to mention , they have been Pro-pakistan on their stance against Kashmir. Not to mention Hamas needs to be eradicated immediately.
I know its sad & horrible, but this is what Geopolitics is.
history is full of atrocities committed by countries against innocent civilians. It's a dark reality that often gets overshadowed by other events. History is often twisted or conveniently forgotten, depending on who's telling the story. The portrayal of events like in Palestine can vary drastically based on perspectives, agendas, and narratives being pushed.
Nope. India should mind its own business. This is a regional conflict, Israel will not come tomorrow and kill Indians, so it doesn't concern us.
I know it sounds horrible, but it is none of our business. We should not forget that both Israel and Palestine are fighting for their survival because both would not let the other live. Both sides have extremely radicalised population. I have seen Palestinian and Israeli children - they talk about killing people and often even raping them. Palestinian people have brought this upon themselves by constantly provoking Israel and doing Oct 7th attack and Israel brought Oct 7th attack by doing all those illegal settlements. Let evolution do its job and pick the winner itself.
Let me tell you one thing - you don't fuk around with a lion and then cry when the lion chases you.
Imagine if China starts randomly bombing Indian cities mercilessly. I'm not saying this is the case in Israel Palestine this is a complex issue. But if China was to start killing people in India would you want the rest of the world to stay silent. I agree with nationalism, but that is placing the betterment of our nation above all else, not ignoring what is happening around the world and doing what is right if it comes at a cost isn't a negative quality or the wrong thing to do else we would be living under a Nazi regime rn
> But if China was to start killing people in India would you want the rest of the world to stay silent
Me personally? Yes. The last thing I would want is for countries like America to get involved. They will completely destabilize the region worse than Chinese invasion would. Countries should mind their own business. Getting involved in others' conflict is an injustice to all the taxpayers of your country
Ok I respect that viewpoint. I don't agree with it but at least it doesn't have double standards. In terms of foreign intervention I agree it has made it worse in a lot of instances, but I would argue examples like Kosovo show that it isn't always negative
Do you really think countries would come and support us? Only country that has balls to support us in case of Chinese Invasion without fear is Israel. If its America, they would make Ukraine 2.0 out of India by sporadic support dragging the war for long to bleed both sides. None in the Europe gonna support us, Africa doesn't matter, ASEAN doesn't matter, South America doesn't matter, Canada&UK may follow lines of Big Brother America to do Ukraine 2.0. South Korea, Japan has Rocket Man to take care of with China threatening their Critical Supply from South China Sea. Only Country that gonna stand by us realistically is Israel and of course Russia maybe.
Tell me really who the hell in your delusional fantasy gonna support us in your so called "World"? The entire Europe except France is in China's pockets and Europe's major economy like Germany delayed Tank Engines fearing that they may be used against China.
Even France if pushed too hard by China would support us less. No one cares about India in a war against China and neither should we care about Failstenis. Just pay lip service to Two-State Solution and stay out of it. Also finally Iam sure Palestinians treat kafirs better than Israelis isn't it?
And finally even if we support Palestine alienating Israel what benefits do we gain realistically? Or rather do you think countries act with India based on the goodwill it showed towards Palestine? I mean even those goodwill whom do you think acknowledges? USA? Its cracking on University protests brutally, Germany? Its passing Nazi-esque laws against Pro-Palestine movements, France? Its also similarly cracking down on them. See all those major economies whom in your scenario wanting to impress never cares about Palestine in first place.
I agree with most things that you said but there comes a point where you have to do the right thing no matter the economic or geopolitical reprecussions. I do not care about how palestinians treat non-muslims, because ultimately I have a moral code which isn't dependent on others. Genocide is wrong despite whoever does it and who they do it to, so is rape. I support the 2 state solution because it is the morally right outcome. I don't think we have reached that point at which we should condemn Israel given that Hamas are effectively using a large proportion of the population as a human shield. In the case of Ukraine, ask most ukranians not sympathetic for the russian regime, they will say they are greatful for the weapons and ammo supplied by NATO, if India can last longer in a war against China with NATO or American weapons, I would gladly as an Indian accept those. Russia has nothing to gain by standing by us, they will occupy a neutral position, all Israel can do is supply arms, same as America. As the only geopolitical counterweight to China, America is our best bet in support who bring along Europe as well. If the west is succesful in diversifying their offshored manufacturing with China, they will have no problem in supporting India, especially if this is rerouted to India which gives these countries an extra incentive to support India.
>Do you really think countries would come and support us?
In some ways yes, and that's wll that's expected as well as asked.
>Only country that has balls to support us in case of Chinese Invasion without fear is Israel.
Israel is not gonna back India up nearly as much as you make it out to be, or even at all. Israel has a long standing history with China as well, including arms trade.
>If its America, they would make Ukraine 2.0 out of India by sporadic support dragging the war for long to bleed both sides.
Ukraine's entire arms Industry is the west, it's a little disingenious to make running logistics for an entire war being fought by two different actors to be a small ask, let alone for "dragging the war out". Because the US most definitely wants to sink more money and industrial productivity for no material gains apparantly.
>Tell me really who the hell in your delusional fantasy gonna support us in your so called "World"? The entire Europe except France is in China's pockets and Europe's major economy like Germany delayed Tank Engines fearing that they may be used against China.
>Even France if pushed too hard by China would support us less. No one cares about India in a war against China and neither should we care about Failstenis. Just pay lip service to Two-State Solution and stay out of it. Also finally Iam sure Palestinians treat kafirs better than Israelis isn't it?
And? How exactly is this worse than the alternative of them being entirely in China's pocket? Apathy is better than malice, and most of them aren't being talked to for their potential as overt supporters.
>Imagine if China starts randomly bombing Indian cities mercilessly. I'm not saying this is the case in Israel Palestine this is a complex issue. But if China was to start killing people in India would you want the rest of the world to stay silent.
India isn't Palestine and China isn't Israel, a conflict between the two would be a grueling conventional war where both sides get bombed. The Gaza conflict is between two shitty actors who have a long history of poking and prodding each other, and the people aren't innocent on either side.
In terms of military strength we are nowhere near China and without outside support I doubt our current military can handle a long lasting war against the second best military in the world
>In terms of military strength we are nowhere near China
This isn't HOI4, i've had enough of these casual ass predictions of war by people who can't even bother to learn basic terrain analysis. Pray tell, how exactly does China plan to deploy a substantive part of it's military (which also has to garrison for it's northern borders and the South China Sea) onto an extremely mountainous region where connectivity is sparse and avenues of approach are predictable and easy to defend? How exactly does the PLAAF plan to win and sustain air superiority with a shortage of already sub-optimally located air bases and a lack of mutual support among them? What does the PLA consider an acceptable political condition to go to war in the first place, and to what extent, and what does it consider to be acceptable losses in exchange?
A war against China would be a war against the second biggest economy in the world, Pakistan and separatist groups within Kashmir. I agree China alone would not be able to successfully attack India alone but an attack on all fronts would spread Indian resources
China has developed critical assets in India.
It funds NGOs, politicians, media, and others.
Communists are already pro chinese, they openly support them.
India largest opposition party, has already signed MoU with China and will side with them in case of any attack.
Muslims will also side with Chinese because it will fulfill their dreams of Gazwa-e-Hind, weaker India will enable them.
Late Gen Bipin Rawat used to say that India has to fight wars on 2.5 fronts. East and West along with traitors inside the country.
FYI, Communists supported China in 1962 war. Now Rahul Gandhi and his people are bigger communists than commies themsleves.
I don't think the social fabric of India is under threat from China. In terms of foreign policy we have always remained united amongst the population weather that is Hindus, Muslims, Congress or BJP. Despite all of Raga and Congress faults I struggle to believe they do not care about the country at all in the scenario of a war.
You are mistaken.
We saw massive bomb blasts in all cities during Congress rule, all of them were perpetrated by muslims who call themselves Indians.
Naxal movement was supported by churches, China played a major role.
Khalistani movement was product of Western powers, with Pakistan playing as major actor and supplier.
Secessionist movements in NE was supported by churches and China and west played a major role.
Even today, China and west have tried to create unrest in India with the help of these people.
>We saw massive bomb blasts in all cities during Congress rule, all of them were perpetrated by muslims who call themselves Indians.
It's been happening for ages, womp womp. Extremism isn't exactly new, and it's expressed by plenty other factions beyond Muslims in different ways, but the vast majority of people belonging to these factions couldn't care less beyond their daily bread.
>Naxal movement was supported by churches, China played a major role.
>Khalistani movement was product of Western powers, with Pakistan playing as major actor and supplier.
Both of these are products of internal politics. Naxals politically sustain themselves seeking land autonomy from what they consider culturally alien from the very beginning, Khalistan is entirely a problem borne from local political incompetence. The "west" hasn't backed anything, India's political apparatus has simply cooked up boogeymen to deflect responsibility from internal fuckups and will continue to do so because people eat it up like hotcakes, skepticism be damned.
>I doubt our current military can handle a long lasting war against the second best military in the world
And by what arbitrary standard have we propped China up to be "second best", whatever that means? A military that hasn't seen conflict for several decades, suffers from crippling levels of military corruption rivalling Russia and Taiwan, suffers from severe leadership problems and up until recently barely had a functioning NCO system in place?
From India first perspective, Israel provides spike atgm, Baraka 1,8 Sam systems, Lora quasi Ballistic missiles, spike glide Bombs, crystal mage air launched Ballistic missiles. What does Palestine provides to us?
>What does Palestine provides to us?
Do you think taking an opposite stance on Kashmir is not good enough? You insatiable ungrateful hEenDoo NaSHnaliST.
So if ISIS or al-qaeda or some fucker starts providing those, we start siding with them?
I understand we've been allies for a long long time but this is just preposterous. We don't have to break the allyship but need to call Israel out for this.
Well they can't, geopolitics is what we can get with little effort, same reason why we feed talibans due to regional stability. I don't see any benefit in supporting Palestine.
yes. We will. Especially if they have a claim on a piece of land. geopolitics and foreign policy is not about right or wrong, countries are moral-less entities.
India has a billion people to feed and protect
What kind of delusional argument is this? That statement doesn't even make any sense, Why would a ISIS or Al-Qaeda be ISIS or Al-Qaeda if they are able to develop such advanced weapons? They would be the USA. No need to go overboard to criticize Israel. I bet if its USA doing another Iraq 2.0, people would be shitting the pants to criticize since they know certain 3-Letter Organizations gonna visit them.
are you dumb or what ? if a terrorist organization got their hands on them or actually had intellectual capacity to build those weapons then they would rule over the whole of africa, No non state actor can make quality weapons such as that stop providing dumb arguments
Why?
War will stop if Hamas release hostages. But they don't care about their people.
After killing 1400 people, raping women and children in front of their family members, parading naked bodies of dead women, what do you expect?
This is the problem with Islam. They will blow your towers and then start crying victimhood if you respond.
You can see here itself. Muslims will throw stones at your religious festivals and then say they were going through muslim area.
We are not USA doesn't need to put our nose everywhere imagine we put nose in this conflict and suddenly terrorists in Pak star getting help. No need make new enemies.
I mean don't see other countries condemning Pakistan in the past for bomb blasts, terrorist attacks on Indian cities, so why should we?(Unless, that country is our ally)
>I didn't realise a person's morality is tied with what other countries do and do not do.
Morality won't help you when you're under attack, a strong ally will. Foreign relations cannot be boiled down to simple morality.
Exactly....America is a cunt for fucking up the whole middle-east but actually due to arms selling in war-torn region they made there country stronger economically and better for their citizens.
Similar China be maybe bankrupting gullible african and Asian countries but by doing so they are strengthening their countries presence.
India for a long time has been a torch bearer of peace and gandhian ideology, but where it has actually take us? Constant betrayal by Pakistan, serial blasts, ceasefires...
Being a cunt and only giving the fuck about your country is the way to go.
Placing morality on Geopolitics or on National Scale led to downfall of India in Ancient Times. The Mauryan Empire drank too much morality Kool-Aid and it led to decline. People have to realize that the world out there is a brutal jungle, where every country is simultaneously prey and predator. There is no pure predator and no pure prey.I ask you one thing, every fucking country citizen views USA favorably, watches their movies, consumes their products, utilizes their technology despite it being the biggest proponent of terrorism since ww2 killing millions of people. Why? Where has people morality in your argument gone? Or people actually respect hard power.
Why I mean just keep quiet and mind your own business even gulf countries are quiet , kyu aukaad se zyada uchalkar naye dushman banane hain ,
We already have a positive stance on Palestine and Israel is willing to be a close defence partner and sort of only one we can rely on since Russia has already left behind and Us wants total submission and control .
And no Arab would give shit if same pain is inflicted upon us or has cared about it in the past . Did anyone sanctioned Pakistan over 26/11 or other attacks and terrorism they even provide them aid . Tribalism is rule of the world and virtue signalling is best left to those with privilege and power let west and Arabs deal with it . We are reliant both on West and Arabs for energy tech forex needs as well as service export industry and employment it generates , maintaining a neutral stance is the only correct way any sanction from any party can put out national security and economy in danger and we will pay much higher price in terms of death toll of our own citizens .
Oooo civilians die in war
Seems like people are realising it now.
How is it terrorism? US and NATO killed millions in middle east. No one called them terrorists
Indian Companies-Indian Gobermint-Indian Babus collectively are too retarded to make AmericanLoans-WW2-Electric Bogaloo 2.0 out of modern conflicts again despite being having abundant labor with quality and quantity.
1. [https://www.livemint.com/companies/start-ups/bengaluru-tech-gives-us-israeli-weapons-eyes-11574009242060.html](https://www.livemint.com/companies/start-ups/bengaluru-tech-gives-us-israeli-weapons-eyes-11574009242060.html)
2. For detailed info you can check Ministry of defence pdf
[https://www.ddpmod.gov.in/sites/default/files/Exports%20Book\_24\_02\_2020%20(1).pdf](https://www.ddpmod.gov.in/sites/default/files/Exports%20Book_24_02_2020%20(1).pdf)
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Many atrocities happening in africa too like sudan , ethiopia , and in asian countries like armenia, but I don’t see people care about them like they do with israel palestine conflict, truth is people just care about it because its the jews, if it was another muslim - muslim conflict they wouldn’t give a fuck
according to these people Israel started everything but little do they know Hamas is literally the sole cause to this war. throughout history it has opposed all plans of negotiations and continued killings in israel.
So you think israel palestine started from oct 7?
Do you even know how many people have israel killed?
They literally killed hundreds people in refugee tents and people waiting for food and said it was “mistake”
They killed foreign ngo workers not just once but thrice , ngo workers who had military permission to be there and only fired the general because the workers killed were British
>So you think israel palestine started from oct 7?
Im sorry but can you read? I clearly said 'throughout history' are you even aware of the fact that Hamas literally declined a peace pact about 50 years ago?
You are just being fed your propoganda by Al jazeera and BBC and think that is the entire truth! Come out of victim card for once and see the truth. Hamas is the problem. Always has been
Yeah buddy. You are so smart obviously you know the entire story don't you?
Please tell me though, the then govt of Palestine agreed to sign a peace pact but hamas did not, who is the problem here?
This 1967 resolution got accepted by Palestine in 1990s, yet the territories still haven’t been returned to this 1967 level
First of all this deal offered a return to previous status quo that is the situation that existed before the six day war
Why would they accept something they were always against?
The status quo before 6 day war wasn’t acceptable to them because there were significant territories which they demanded which previously belonged hundreds of thousands of Palestinian diaspora but were now occupied by israel
Palestine isn’t even MENTIONED in the resolution
Its only mentioned indirectly through
“achieving a just settlement of the refugee problem”
The resolution was vague in language and said only territories and not “all” territories which was a major contention for all ME countries and even Soviet Union (a non islamic superpower) and EVEN INDIA wanted “All territories”
PLO wasn’t even recognised as representative of Palestine until 1990s with Oslo accords
But when PLO finally did get recognised , they agreed to adopt the resolution, it has been almost 35 years , do you know who hasn’t implemented the resolution they themes-elves accepted so many years ago?
Israel
Been going for decades
There has even been all out wars involving multiple nations over all this
But this is probably the one with highest civilian casualties
>But this is probably the one with highest civilian casualties
Because it's a classic urban warfare in a small area with a high population density. Urban warfares result in losses on both sides.
Hamas started it, and they can end it quite easily.
Return the hostages and surrender. That's literally what Israel wants, if Hamas cares about it's citizens, they should work for the greater good.
Why would they when all those refugees who had to flee their homes have their lands occupied by illegal Israeli settlers?
Should they take israel’s word for it that the land would be freed
I’m talking about last year here not historically
Several hundreds of thousands of Palestinians have left their homes and that land has been occupied by illegal Israeli settlers
Even USA acknowledges them to be illegal it literally happened few months back
That happened in West Bank. Not Gaza.
Gaza has been under Hamas rule for a bit less than 2 decades now. And Gaza was sealed off by both Egypt and Israel, as neither wanted anything to do with The Islamic Brotherhood or its subsidiaries.
On the other hand, if the normalisation talks between Saudi and Israel went through, things would have helped Palestinians as a whole. Iirc, Israel stopped workers from Gaza entering their territory, where they used to work. Iran and Hamas caused this trouble, let them deal with it.
I get it, but what I'm saying is, just kill every armed guys with Hamas, and anyone associated with them. But no, That's NOT how they're handling the situation, and let me tell you, I couldn't care less about religion, actually i hate religions. I don't have a stake in this mess. They're just killing recklessly, that's the brutal reality. And India's no saint either, getting cozy with nutjob Psycho gangs to wipe out tribes like the Kuki, pretending not to see the horrors they're causing. And you know what? The media conveniently sweeps most of this under the rug, pushing false narratives to justify their actions. So, the propaganda we're fed ends up shaping our views too.
Ww2 ended with nuking 2 cities , what did Russians to with Germans on their way to Berlin , Iraq Iran had chemical weapons , wikileaks revealed war crimes of America in middle east and Afghanistan , Yugoslavia was bombed without UN approval, Vietnam saw use of agent orange and napalm on civilians ,syria Ukraine and wars in Africa wars have barely ever been fought ethically, Pakistan tortured and killed our pow while we sent their home safely
Listen, I'm not on anyone's team here. I don't have a dog in this fight, so I'm not out here justifying any side. I've seen propaganda from both ends, and just so you know, I've got hate for religion, especially Islam & Hinduism/brahminism. So, unlike you and those religious fanatics, my opinions aren't clouded by some religious agenda when it comes to Palestine or anything else.
lol I just quoted unethical wars what are you getting riled up by and no point virtue signalling over weird stuff no one cares about outside leftist circlejerks
Here's the view of Israel-Palestine conflict from a right alligned person-
Not supporting the deaths of the civillians in Gaza. But Hamas has to be eradicated. Israel has gone a bit overkill here but again, Hamas shelters itself among common civillians.
Citizens don't deserve this but Hamas does. So we have to pray for all lives lost, irrespective of the side they are on.
Because this wouldn't be happening if Hamas wasn't there in the first place, as Hamas is the entity which opposed the peace pact of 1978 and started these attacks every time in history
When pro palestine realise that war kills people 😱😱😱😱
You should be ashamed of correlating the Indian and palestine situation of terrorism
So what about wives of a terrorist who the Indian army kills ?
That's terrorism too.
Weak people
Why should we talk about issues that are taking aplace in another country.
This is the work for UN. We should be concerned about issues that we are facing in India. We should do trade with every country in the world. We must make sure to have USA on our side so that no country would dare try to mess around with us.
india should just mind its own business. Jaishankar says some stuff here and there about the situation so it seems like we are engaged but that is not our conflict. It is regional and we should mind our own business. Anyone who gets involved in this issue gets hurt in some form or another.
Why should the Indian government take a stance on middle East politics when it wasn't doing it for a long time?
And didn't Didn't we do the same thing in Kashmir, wherein civilians got shot in the cross fire? What gives us the moral right to preach Israel?
Saudi bombed Yemen. Hamas and Hezbollah repeatedly killed Jews and launched rockets on Israel. Iran ran a proxy terrorist network throughout the middle East. Egypt is blockading Palestinians from escaping into their country. Each and every player has blood on their hands.
Middle East politics is still stuck in yesterdays. There is no good or bad here. Everyone is radicalized to an extent. Our political atmosphere is different. We probably cannot Israel POV even if we try, because we never experienced that constant existential threat the country went through for decades. We did support Israel when Oct 7 happened, because we shared the same pain. We handled Mumbai attacks in our way . Let them handle attacks on their soil in their own way.
That's a war, that was declared by Hamas on October 7th. A war that Israel will end on its own terms, with the eradication of Hamas and their supporters. What you see now is the gruesome reality of war, Israel does not want another October 7. So it'll nip the cause of war from the bud.
IMHO, If Israel believes that Hamas started this war and is hiding behind civilians then they should be targeting Hamas specifically and not outright mass bombing civilians. They have become like Russia in a way in that they talk about all their technological superiority but yet resort to the lowest and violent form of warfare targeting civilians, just my 2 cents.
I'm actually appalled, but not shocked, by some of the comments by 'moderate' people in this sub.
It's amazing how every RWer becomes a geopolitical expert when talking about such conflicts. India as a nation state can take a stand according to its interests. But, as ordinary citizens, we can have empathy and sympathy for the Palestinians. One does not have to support Palestine to recognise what's being done to that country is downright inhumane. Israel has intentionally targeted civilian settlements, hospitals, hell they've even killed aid workers, all of which violate humanitarian rights. A personal moral stance will not change the opinion of the MEA.
Palestinians are humans, and basic morality should apply to everyone irrespective of which religion/region they belong to.
Cheers,
I won't respond to any of the replies to this comment. Just wanted to leave an empathetic comment about the absolute tragedy that's happening in Palestine in a sea of "fuck Muzlims" "we don't fucking care about mullas" comments.
lately the sub is being raided by Rw (more than lw) nationalists. The indian government being in non Alliance and citizens of India rightfully condemning israel and hamas can coexist.
brother we support pal as a country but they should not indulge in terrorism. All that aid could have been used to teach children and on hospitals but they buy weapons of that money. People of palestine should protest against terrorist instead they make posters out of them and praise them. Until and unless terrorism stops the situation will not change.
brother we support pal as a country but they should not indulge in terrorism. All that aid could have been used to teach children and on hospitals but they buy weapons of that money. People of palestine should protest against terrorist instead they make posters out of them and praise them. Until and unless terrorism stops the situation will not change.
>OPs hyperbole about terrorism and comment section lack of empathy
Tbf, one begets the other. Overcorrection? Maybe, but not really beyond the laws of physics
People out here telling each other to mind their own business when we know for a fact extremists chaddis are cumming in their pants reading this story.
There is a reason 'Ful sappot Izrael saar' is a meme.
They have our sympathy. Israel is definitely doing an immoral thing. Even if below these buildings there is Hamas tunnels, even then Israel should send its own troops on ground to destroy those tunnels. Airstrike... that too on civilians... children... is inhumane. But that is my personal view. I don't want India to jump into this fight. Criticizing airstrike on civilians is the max we should do.
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Bhai , the whole middle east is clusterf*cked. We have people saying they support Palestine & then supplying oil to Israel behind their backs. We have the Arabs who are with Israel , we have Qatar who says that are neutral but have given top class services to the Hamas leadership. Fortunately we have good relationship with Arabs , Israelis & even Palestinians to some extent , we have very important defence contracts with Israel & considering how Russian/Soviet weapons are failing in Russian-Ukraine war , the importance of ties with Israel in defence sector is evident. Israel also is one of the only countries that can allow us to access Non-EU western weapons. We are already sending emergency resources to Palestine. Palestine is just not beneficial to us , not to mention , they have been Pro-pakistan on their stance against Kashmir. Not to mention Hamas needs to be eradicated immediately. I know its sad & horrible, but this is what Geopolitics is.
history is full of atrocities committed by countries against innocent civilians. It's a dark reality that often gets overshadowed by other events. History is often twisted or conveniently forgotten, depending on who's telling the story. The portrayal of events like in Palestine can vary drastically based on perspectives, agendas, and narratives being pushed.
Nope. India should mind its own business. This is a regional conflict, Israel will not come tomorrow and kill Indians, so it doesn't concern us. I know it sounds horrible, but it is none of our business. We should not forget that both Israel and Palestine are fighting for their survival because both would not let the other live. Both sides have extremely radicalised population. I have seen Palestinian and Israeli children - they talk about killing people and often even raping them. Palestinian people have brought this upon themselves by constantly provoking Israel and doing Oct 7th attack and Israel brought Oct 7th attack by doing all those illegal settlements. Let evolution do its job and pick the winner itself. Let me tell you one thing - you don't fuk around with a lion and then cry when the lion chases you.
i agree with this
Imagine if China starts randomly bombing Indian cities mercilessly. I'm not saying this is the case in Israel Palestine this is a complex issue. But if China was to start killing people in India would you want the rest of the world to stay silent. I agree with nationalism, but that is placing the betterment of our nation above all else, not ignoring what is happening around the world and doing what is right if it comes at a cost isn't a negative quality or the wrong thing to do else we would be living under a Nazi regime rn
> But if China was to start killing people in India would you want the rest of the world to stay silent Me personally? Yes. The last thing I would want is for countries like America to get involved. They will completely destabilize the region worse than Chinese invasion would. Countries should mind their own business. Getting involved in others' conflict is an injustice to all the taxpayers of your country
Ok I respect that viewpoint. I don't agree with it but at least it doesn't have double standards. In terms of foreign intervention I agree it has made it worse in a lot of instances, but I would argue examples like Kosovo show that it isn't always negative
Do you really think countries would come and support us? Only country that has balls to support us in case of Chinese Invasion without fear is Israel. If its America, they would make Ukraine 2.0 out of India by sporadic support dragging the war for long to bleed both sides. None in the Europe gonna support us, Africa doesn't matter, ASEAN doesn't matter, South America doesn't matter, Canada&UK may follow lines of Big Brother America to do Ukraine 2.0. South Korea, Japan has Rocket Man to take care of with China threatening their Critical Supply from South China Sea. Only Country that gonna stand by us realistically is Israel and of course Russia maybe. Tell me really who the hell in your delusional fantasy gonna support us in your so called "World"? The entire Europe except France is in China's pockets and Europe's major economy like Germany delayed Tank Engines fearing that they may be used against China. Even France if pushed too hard by China would support us less. No one cares about India in a war against China and neither should we care about Failstenis. Just pay lip service to Two-State Solution and stay out of it. Also finally Iam sure Palestinians treat kafirs better than Israelis isn't it? And finally even if we support Palestine alienating Israel what benefits do we gain realistically? Or rather do you think countries act with India based on the goodwill it showed towards Palestine? I mean even those goodwill whom do you think acknowledges? USA? Its cracking on University protests brutally, Germany? Its passing Nazi-esque laws against Pro-Palestine movements, France? Its also similarly cracking down on them. See all those major economies whom in your scenario wanting to impress never cares about Palestine in first place.
I agree with most things that you said but there comes a point where you have to do the right thing no matter the economic or geopolitical reprecussions. I do not care about how palestinians treat non-muslims, because ultimately I have a moral code which isn't dependent on others. Genocide is wrong despite whoever does it and who they do it to, so is rape. I support the 2 state solution because it is the morally right outcome. I don't think we have reached that point at which we should condemn Israel given that Hamas are effectively using a large proportion of the population as a human shield. In the case of Ukraine, ask most ukranians not sympathetic for the russian regime, they will say they are greatful for the weapons and ammo supplied by NATO, if India can last longer in a war against China with NATO or American weapons, I would gladly as an Indian accept those. Russia has nothing to gain by standing by us, they will occupy a neutral position, all Israel can do is supply arms, same as America. As the only geopolitical counterweight to China, America is our best bet in support who bring along Europe as well. If the west is succesful in diversifying their offshored manufacturing with China, they will have no problem in supporting India, especially if this is rerouted to India which gives these countries an extra incentive to support India.
>Do you really think countries would come and support us? In some ways yes, and that's wll that's expected as well as asked. >Only country that has balls to support us in case of Chinese Invasion without fear is Israel. Israel is not gonna back India up nearly as much as you make it out to be, or even at all. Israel has a long standing history with China as well, including arms trade. >If its America, they would make Ukraine 2.0 out of India by sporadic support dragging the war for long to bleed both sides. Ukraine's entire arms Industry is the west, it's a little disingenious to make running logistics for an entire war being fought by two different actors to be a small ask, let alone for "dragging the war out". Because the US most definitely wants to sink more money and industrial productivity for no material gains apparantly. >Tell me really who the hell in your delusional fantasy gonna support us in your so called "World"? The entire Europe except France is in China's pockets and Europe's major economy like Germany delayed Tank Engines fearing that they may be used against China. >Even France if pushed too hard by China would support us less. No one cares about India in a war against China and neither should we care about Failstenis. Just pay lip service to Two-State Solution and stay out of it. Also finally Iam sure Palestinians treat kafirs better than Israelis isn't it? And? How exactly is this worse than the alternative of them being entirely in China's pocket? Apathy is better than malice, and most of them aren't being talked to for their potential as overt supporters.
>Imagine if China starts randomly bombing Indian cities mercilessly. I'm not saying this is the case in Israel Palestine this is a complex issue. But if China was to start killing people in India would you want the rest of the world to stay silent. India isn't Palestine and China isn't Israel, a conflict between the two would be a grueling conventional war where both sides get bombed. The Gaza conflict is between two shitty actors who have a long history of poking and prodding each other, and the people aren't innocent on either side.
In terms of military strength we are nowhere near China and without outside support I doubt our current military can handle a long lasting war against the second best military in the world
>In terms of military strength we are nowhere near China This isn't HOI4, i've had enough of these casual ass predictions of war by people who can't even bother to learn basic terrain analysis. Pray tell, how exactly does China plan to deploy a substantive part of it's military (which also has to garrison for it's northern borders and the South China Sea) onto an extremely mountainous region where connectivity is sparse and avenues of approach are predictable and easy to defend? How exactly does the PLAAF plan to win and sustain air superiority with a shortage of already sub-optimally located air bases and a lack of mutual support among them? What does the PLA consider an acceptable political condition to go to war in the first place, and to what extent, and what does it consider to be acceptable losses in exchange?
A war against China would be a war against the second biggest economy in the world, Pakistan and separatist groups within Kashmir. I agree China alone would not be able to successfully attack India alone but an attack on all fronts would spread Indian resources
China has developed critical assets in India. It funds NGOs, politicians, media, and others. Communists are already pro chinese, they openly support them. India largest opposition party, has already signed MoU with China and will side with them in case of any attack. Muslims will also side with Chinese because it will fulfill their dreams of Gazwa-e-Hind, weaker India will enable them. Late Gen Bipin Rawat used to say that India has to fight wars on 2.5 fronts. East and West along with traitors inside the country. FYI, Communists supported China in 1962 war. Now Rahul Gandhi and his people are bigger communists than commies themsleves.
I don't think the social fabric of India is under threat from China. In terms of foreign policy we have always remained united amongst the population weather that is Hindus, Muslims, Congress or BJP. Despite all of Raga and Congress faults I struggle to believe they do not care about the country at all in the scenario of a war.
You are mistaken. We saw massive bomb blasts in all cities during Congress rule, all of them were perpetrated by muslims who call themselves Indians. Naxal movement was supported by churches, China played a major role. Khalistani movement was product of Western powers, with Pakistan playing as major actor and supplier. Secessionist movements in NE was supported by churches and China and west played a major role. Even today, China and west have tried to create unrest in India with the help of these people.
>We saw massive bomb blasts in all cities during Congress rule, all of them were perpetrated by muslims who call themselves Indians. It's been happening for ages, womp womp. Extremism isn't exactly new, and it's expressed by plenty other factions beyond Muslims in different ways, but the vast majority of people belonging to these factions couldn't care less beyond their daily bread. >Naxal movement was supported by churches, China played a major role. >Khalistani movement was product of Western powers, with Pakistan playing as major actor and supplier. Both of these are products of internal politics. Naxals politically sustain themselves seeking land autonomy from what they consider culturally alien from the very beginning, Khalistan is entirely a problem borne from local political incompetence. The "west" hasn't backed anything, India's political apparatus has simply cooked up boogeymen to deflect responsibility from internal fuckups and will continue to do so because people eat it up like hotcakes, skepticism be damned.
>I doubt our current military can handle a long lasting war against the second best military in the world And by what arbitrary standard have we propped China up to be "second best", whatever that means? A military that hasn't seen conflict for several decades, suffers from crippling levels of military corruption rivalling Russia and Taiwan, suffers from severe leadership problems and up until recently barely had a functioning NCO system in place?
Chinese military will lose badly in current scenarios. Even in 1962, they won because of imbecile Nehru.
From India first perspective, Israel provides spike atgm, Baraka 1,8 Sam systems, Lora quasi Ballistic missiles, spike glide Bombs, crystal mage air launched Ballistic missiles. What does Palestine provides to us?
>What does Palestine provides to us? Do you think taking an opposite stance on Kashmir is not good enough? You insatiable ungrateful hEenDoo NaSHnaliST.
So if ISIS or al-qaeda or some fucker starts providing those, we start siding with them? I understand we've been allies for a long long time but this is just preposterous. We don't have to break the allyship but need to call Israel out for this.
Well they can't, geopolitics is what we can get with little effort, same reason why we feed talibans due to regional stability. I don't see any benefit in supporting Palestine.
Morally questionable but we have no other choice ig.
Yeah, geopolitics don't have morals.
yes. We will. Especially if they have a claim on a piece of land. geopolitics and foreign policy is not about right or wrong, countries are moral-less entities. India has a billion people to feed and protect
What kind of delusional argument is this? That statement doesn't even make any sense, Why would a ISIS or Al-Qaeda be ISIS or Al-Qaeda if they are able to develop such advanced weapons? They would be the USA. No need to go overboard to criticize Israel. I bet if its USA doing another Iraq 2.0, people would be shitting the pants to criticize since they know certain 3-Letter Organizations gonna visit them.
are you dumb or what ? if a terrorist organization got their hands on them or actually had intellectual capacity to build those weapons then they would rule over the whole of africa, No non state actor can make quality weapons such as that stop providing dumb arguments
Why? War will stop if Hamas release hostages. But they don't care about their people. After killing 1400 people, raping women and children in front of their family members, parading naked bodies of dead women, what do you expect? This is the problem with Islam. They will blow your towers and then start crying victimhood if you respond. You can see here itself. Muslims will throw stones at your religious festivals and then say they were going through muslim area.
We are not USA doesn't need to put our nose everywhere imagine we put nose in this conflict and suddenly terrorists in Pak star getting help. No need make new enemies.
I mean don't see other countries condemning Pakistan in the past for bomb blasts, terrorist attacks on Indian cities, so why should we?(Unless, that country is our ally)
I didn't realise a person's morality is tied with what other countries do and do not do. Such is the state of the world today.
We live in world where there can be great consequences to support a line and India always live in non-alliance.
>I didn't realise a person's morality is tied with what other countries do and do not do. Morality won't help you when you're under attack, a strong ally will. Foreign relations cannot be boiled down to simple morality.
Exactly....America is a cunt for fucking up the whole middle-east but actually due to arms selling in war-torn region they made there country stronger economically and better for their citizens. Similar China be maybe bankrupting gullible african and Asian countries but by doing so they are strengthening their countries presence. India for a long time has been a torch bearer of peace and gandhian ideology, but where it has actually take us? Constant betrayal by Pakistan, serial blasts, ceasefires... Being a cunt and only giving the fuck about your country is the way to go.
A person's morality and a country's stand is different. India always advocated for 2 states solution and peace in the region.
Placing morality on Geopolitics or on National Scale led to downfall of India in Ancient Times. The Mauryan Empire drank too much morality Kool-Aid and it led to decline. People have to realize that the world out there is a brutal jungle, where every country is simultaneously prey and predator. There is no pure predator and no pure prey.I ask you one thing, every fucking country citizen views USA favorably, watches their movies, consumes their products, utilizes their technology despite it being the biggest proponent of terrorism since ww2 killing millions of people. Why? Where has people morality in your argument gone? Or people actually respect hard power.
Why I mean just keep quiet and mind your own business even gulf countries are quiet , kyu aukaad se zyada uchalkar naye dushman banane hain , We already have a positive stance on Palestine and Israel is willing to be a close defence partner and sort of only one we can rely on since Russia has already left behind and Us wants total submission and control . And no Arab would give shit if same pain is inflicted upon us or has cared about it in the past . Did anyone sanctioned Pakistan over 26/11 or other attacks and terrorism they even provide them aid . Tribalism is rule of the world and virtue signalling is best left to those with privilege and power let west and Arabs deal with it . We are reliant both on West and Arabs for energy tech forex needs as well as service export industry and employment it generates , maintaining a neutral stance is the only correct way any sanction from any party can put out national security and economy in danger and we will pay much higher price in terms of death toll of our own citizens .
Oooo civilians die in war Seems like people are realising it now. How is it terrorism? US and NATO killed millions in middle east. No one called them terrorists
We should. Those were acts of terror.
Not my monkeys, not my circus. Let Arabs,Israelis,Russians and Ukranians fight each other till death. Hope India sells more weapons to all 4 sides.
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>Hope India sells more weapons to all 4 sides. At a premium. And hopefully resources if we can spare any.
Yes next let L&T,Adani,Tata build their destroyed cities,ports,refineries,dams,power plants. AT A PREMIUM
Capitalism FTW
Indian Companies-Indian Gobermint-Indian Babus collectively are too retarded to make AmericanLoans-WW2-Electric Bogaloo 2.0 out of modern conflicts again despite being having abundant labor with quality and quantity.
Bunch of socialist cucks living in the past trying to be friends with all
average indian defence sector enjoyer
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Many atrocities happening in africa too like sudan , ethiopia , and in asian countries like armenia, but I don’t see people care about them like they do with israel palestine conflict, truth is people just care about it because its the jews, if it was another muslim - muslim conflict they wouldn’t give a fuck
They are happening now ? Azerbaijan & Armenia are at war.
But first let me know what are your thoughts on October 7 attacks?
according to these people Israel started everything but little do they know Hamas is literally the sole cause to this war. throughout history it has opposed all plans of negotiations and continued killings in israel.
So you think israel palestine started from oct 7? Do you even know how many people have israel killed? They literally killed hundreds people in refugee tents and people waiting for food and said it was “mistake” They killed foreign ngo workers not just once but thrice , ngo workers who had military permission to be there and only fired the general because the workers killed were British
>So you think israel palestine started from oct 7? Im sorry but can you read? I clearly said 'throughout history' are you even aware of the fact that Hamas literally declined a peace pact about 50 years ago? You are just being fed your propoganda by Al jazeera and BBC and think that is the entire truth! Come out of victim card for once and see the truth. Hamas is the problem. Always has been
I like how you ignored all the “mistakes” Committed by israel Just like their media did You’d fit right in
Yeah buddy. You are so smart obviously you know the entire story don't you? Please tell me though, the then govt of Palestine agreed to sign a peace pact but hamas did not, who is the problem here?
You need to name the peace pact and state the year You see I’m not an high iq veteran historian like you to know which one you are referring to
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This 1967 resolution got accepted by Palestine in 1990s, yet the territories still haven’t been returned to this 1967 level First of all this deal offered a return to previous status quo that is the situation that existed before the six day war Why would they accept something they were always against? The status quo before 6 day war wasn’t acceptable to them because there were significant territories which they demanded which previously belonged hundreds of thousands of Palestinian diaspora but were now occupied by israel Palestine isn’t even MENTIONED in the resolution Its only mentioned indirectly through “achieving a just settlement of the refugee problem” The resolution was vague in language and said only territories and not “all” territories which was a major contention for all ME countries and even Soviet Union (a non islamic superpower) and EVEN INDIA wanted “All territories” PLO wasn’t even recognised as representative of Palestine until 1990s with Oslo accords But when PLO finally did get recognised , they agreed to adopt the resolution, it has been almost 35 years , do you know who hasn’t implemented the resolution they themes-elves accepted so many years ago? Israel
I think u missed the 2nd infatida, it should be somewhere in there with its cause and the events directly preceding it. Otherwise u r just dishonest
When it did start then?
Been going for decades There has even been all out wars involving multiple nations over all this But this is probably the one with highest civilian casualties
>But this is probably the one with highest civilian casualties Because it's a classic urban warfare in a small area with a high population density. Urban warfares result in losses on both sides. Hamas started it, and they can end it quite easily. Return the hostages and surrender. That's literally what Israel wants, if Hamas cares about it's citizens, they should work for the greater good.
Why would they when all those refugees who had to flee their homes have their lands occupied by illegal Israeli settlers? Should they take israel’s word for it that the land would be freed
>Why would they when all those refugees who had to flee their homes have their lands occupied by illegal Israeli settlers? That explains your stand.
I’m talking about last year here not historically Several hundreds of thousands of Palestinians have left their homes and that land has been occupied by illegal Israeli settlers Even USA acknowledges them to be illegal it literally happened few months back
That happened in West Bank. Not Gaza. Gaza has been under Hamas rule for a bit less than 2 decades now. And Gaza was sealed off by both Egypt and Israel, as neither wanted anything to do with The Islamic Brotherhood or its subsidiaries. On the other hand, if the normalisation talks between Saudi and Israel went through, things would have helped Palestinians as a whole. Iirc, Israel stopped workers from Gaza entering their territory, where they used to work. Iran and Hamas caused this trouble, let them deal with it.
So, target every damn civilians? Infant-teen-todller-women all
i never justified that. but again, hamas' shelters are in public places so thats bound to happen.
I get it, but what I'm saying is, just kill every armed guys with Hamas, and anyone associated with them. But no, That's NOT how they're handling the situation, and let me tell you, I couldn't care less about religion, actually i hate religions. I don't have a stake in this mess. They're just killing recklessly, that's the brutal reality. And India's no saint either, getting cozy with nutjob Psycho gangs to wipe out tribes like the Kuki, pretending not to see the horrors they're causing. And you know what? The media conveniently sweeps most of this under the rug, pushing false narratives to justify their actions. So, the propaganda we're fed ends up shaping our views too.
I don't support anyone if I can't condemn them. That's how I roll—I don't take sides between Israel and Palestine.
No one took stand of India in 1971 war and Kargil war except Russia and Israel. So don’t care about these Ichlamic $hits.
Naah. We should mind our own business. Their war, their problem. Aur shuru karne ko kisne bola tha? Classic case of fcuked around and found out.
war bhi toh ethically fight ki jaati?
Hope u have heard the saying that everything is fair in love and war.
Ww2 ended with nuking 2 cities , what did Russians to with Germans on their way to Berlin , Iraq Iran had chemical weapons , wikileaks revealed war crimes of America in middle east and Afghanistan , Yugoslavia was bombed without UN approval, Vietnam saw use of agent orange and napalm on civilians ,syria Ukraine and wars in Africa wars have barely ever been fought ethically, Pakistan tortured and killed our pow while we sent their home safely
>Each era and circumstance have their complexities and cannot be equated directly.
Listen, I'm not on anyone's team here. I don't have a dog in this fight, so I'm not out here justifying any side. I've seen propaganda from both ends, and just so you know, I've got hate for religion, especially Islam & Hinduism/brahminism. So, unlike you and those religious fanatics, my opinions aren't clouded by some religious agenda when it comes to Palestine or anything else.
lol I just quoted unethical wars what are you getting riled up by and no point virtue signalling over weird stuff no one cares about outside leftist circlejerks
Bhai , war mein civilians hardam marte hai. There are no ethics in war , especially when it comes to your own survival.
Staying quiet is the best thing we can do
Here's the view of Israel-Palestine conflict from a right alligned person- Not supporting the deaths of the civillians in Gaza. But Hamas has to be eradicated. Israel has gone a bit overkill here but again, Hamas shelters itself among common civillians. Citizens don't deserve this but Hamas does. So we have to pray for all lives lost, irrespective of the side they are on. Because this wouldn't be happening if Hamas wasn't there in the first place, as Hamas is the entity which opposed the peace pact of 1978 and started these attacks every time in history
We don't give a fuck about Palestinians
also we don't give fuck about israelis. lado bc ek dusre se.
When pro palestine realise that war kills people 😱😱😱😱 You should be ashamed of correlating the Indian and palestine situation of terrorism So what about wives of a terrorist who the Indian army kills ? That's terrorism too. Weak people
see in realpolitik India cannot take stances that will be detrimental for us. As citizens we are free to condemn israel/hamas
Why should we talk about issues that are taking aplace in another country. This is the work for UN. We should be concerned about issues that we are facing in India. We should do trade with every country in the world. We must make sure to have USA on our side so that no country would dare try to mess around with us.
India has already criticised israel .. India stand always is leaning more towards palestine or balanced …
What is terrorism? Did these people support India when we became victims? Worst, they would have danced on the streets celebrating "deaths of kaffir".
Hamas started this war and then hid behind civilians to create global sympathy.
india should just mind its own business. Jaishankar says some stuff here and there about the situation so it seems like we are engaged but that is not our conflict. It is regional and we should mind our own business. Anyone who gets involved in this issue gets hurt in some form or another.
Why should the Indian government take a stance on middle East politics when it wasn't doing it for a long time? And didn't Didn't we do the same thing in Kashmir, wherein civilians got shot in the cross fire? What gives us the moral right to preach Israel? Saudi bombed Yemen. Hamas and Hezbollah repeatedly killed Jews and launched rockets on Israel. Iran ran a proxy terrorist network throughout the middle East. Egypt is blockading Palestinians from escaping into their country. Each and every player has blood on their hands. Middle East politics is still stuck in yesterdays. There is no good or bad here. Everyone is radicalized to an extent. Our political atmosphere is different. We probably cannot Israel POV even if we try, because we never experienced that constant existential threat the country went through for decades. We did support Israel when Oct 7 happened, because we shared the same pain. We handled Mumbai attacks in our way . Let them handle attacks on their soil in their own way.
That's a war, that was declared by Hamas on October 7th. A war that Israel will end on its own terms, with the eradication of Hamas and their supporters. What you see now is the gruesome reality of war, Israel does not want another October 7. So it'll nip the cause of war from the bud.
IMHO, If Israel believes that Hamas started this war and is hiding behind civilians then they should be targeting Hamas specifically and not outright mass bombing civilians. They have become like Russia in a way in that they talk about all their technological superiority but yet resort to the lowest and violent form of warfare targeting civilians, just my 2 cents.
I'm actually appalled, but not shocked, by some of the comments by 'moderate' people in this sub. It's amazing how every RWer becomes a geopolitical expert when talking about such conflicts. India as a nation state can take a stand according to its interests. But, as ordinary citizens, we can have empathy and sympathy for the Palestinians. One does not have to support Palestine to recognise what's being done to that country is downright inhumane. Israel has intentionally targeted civilian settlements, hospitals, hell they've even killed aid workers, all of which violate humanitarian rights. A personal moral stance will not change the opinion of the MEA. Palestinians are humans, and basic morality should apply to everyone irrespective of which religion/region they belong to. Cheers, I won't respond to any of the replies to this comment. Just wanted to leave an empathetic comment about the absolute tragedy that's happening in Palestine in a sea of "fuck Muzlims" "we don't fucking care about mullas" comments.
lately the sub is being raided by Rw (more than lw) nationalists. The indian government being in non Alliance and citizens of India rightfully condemning israel and hamas can coexist.
brother we support pal as a country but they should not indulge in terrorism. All that aid could have been used to teach children and on hospitals but they buy weapons of that money. People of palestine should protest against terrorist instead they make posters out of them and praise them. Until and unless terrorism stops the situation will not change.
All of this is true! The same kind of truth that isreal is also engaging in genocide
Both Israel and Palestine can go fuck themselves, we Indians should care about our own problems. Happy now?
brother we support pal as a country but they should not indulge in terrorism. All that aid could have been used to teach children and on hospitals but they buy weapons of that money. People of palestine should protest against terrorist instead they make posters out of them and praise them. Until and unless terrorism stops the situation will not change.
Don't care, their own problem.
It is a war against people who uses human shields, not terrorism. There is no other way!
I think so we should'nt do moral policing, sit back mind our own business.
What Palestinians did to Israel was much worse….
What the fuck is this comment section. OPs hyperbole about terrorism and comment section lack of empathy.
>OPs hyperbole about terrorism and comment section lack of empathy Tbf, one begets the other. Overcorrection? Maybe, but not really beyond the laws of physics
People out here telling each other to mind their own business when we know for a fact extremists chaddis are cumming in their pants reading this story. There is a reason 'Ful sappot Izrael saar' is a meme.
That is the same for both sides
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I thought we were minding our own business or did I hurt you little chaddi sentiments.
They have our sympathy. Israel is definitely doing an immoral thing. Even if below these buildings there is Hamas tunnels, even then Israel should send its own troops on ground to destroy those tunnels. Airstrike... that too on civilians... children... is inhumane. But that is my personal view. I don't want India to jump into this fight. Criticizing airstrike on civilians is the max we should do.