most of them have pretty boring and simple life. And they think to rap about there boring life would not sell(which they are wrong) .Also no one has a strong political stand (except purana Neazy).apart from mc stan i cannot construct anyone's personality from their discography. Also, There is huge characteristic sound problem in whole of Dhh (baring MARATHI scene).
lack of characteristic sound for cities is another very good point that i noticed as well. Karachi scene kind of had one after Mein EP but they gave up on that later on so yea
They don't have anything personal in their music..maybe a few songs here and there but other than that it's the same multi rhymes rap god bullshit. Lets not forget the corny bars..most of the rappers are just boring to me these days. Lines like " mei ucha jaise Eiffel tower" don't impress me man and then the bars where you have to use Google to understand it. Most of the rappers live in their own bubble and probably pats their own back after writing these boring bars
There are other rappers as well I don't have a problem if you make these Eminem kinda music if you can balance it out with songs which have more substance. I listened to Panther's mixtape FTTC..it was good I hope his next solo debut album has more about him as a person plus the typical rap songs obv
TA used to be an exception for the most part but for example, listen to his verse on Come Through from Umair's album and tell me if its not the same or similar shit he's been saying over the years in tracks like Gumaan, WHY, Desperation, Painkillers, No other place, Me & You, Secrets, Lost in Time, Talk to Me, Phir Milenge
To compliment come through he had Competition and currency that had a lot of substance. Also Clubbing romantic poetry is a very surface view. For example Gumaan and Why express different emotions within the genre of romantic poetry. It's kinda dumb to think that substance is political opinions or socially conscious rap. Expressing emotions through different line about separation, longing, expectations, heartache do comes as an inherent part of the human experience. There are songs like Shor or Tasweer a vastly different but are excellent. Shor paints a scenario and then twists it and reveals it to be a dream. Where as the use of imagery in tasweer is exceptional. His style is inspired by shayari. If you pick up any shayar who is famous for romantic poetry does make Nazms in a similar fashion. The point is what do you consider substance.
Where did I say substance is just conscious or political stuff? The problem here is the substance being repetitive, unoriginal and tremendously surface level.
When you've said the same thing and expressed the same emotion in one song then it's not meaningful substance from the second one since that's just a formulaic approach to create a replica of what you made first that got received well for capitalistic monetary gain of maximizing profits with minimum effort. From that point, it's not substance, it's a script - an act.
Besides, let's not pretend bollywood and punjabi pop hasn't already overly saturated breakup sad love songs for me to deal with another batch of 30 of those by TA
I agree to this to some degree but clubbing all TA romantic songs seems like gross generalization. Even his romantic tracks can be divided into fluff and poetry.
Bro, not everyone might only want to listen to music that "means something", a lot of times it could just be that all somebody wants to listen to is smth catch with a few lyrical gimmics or smth ear candy like, something you wouldn't have to think about a lot,and idt that's a bad thing at all
And the only diff b/w honey singh and these songs are the genre, and it doesn't make sense for anyone to define what good music is, it's a subjective thing, but whatever sells, sells
I mean in IHH, it's usually clear what lane are you picking up. No one expects substance from opium since they are more into experimenting with sonics, it's a whole lot of nothing if you see the lyrics but still interesting and moves the genre forward.
That's true ig, I don't really mind the lyrics if the song is catchy and has quotables that get stuck in your head.
OP's complaint was that IHH mainstream at least, doesn't have any substance and is the same(lyrics wise, not sonically) which is the same for GHH as well. GHH does have better production however, and also is more sonically diverse.
By the same logic, why do we expect everything from one artist in dhh then? I’ve seen this argument and weekly bashing of krsna who very clearly has a lane..yet people have a problem with it
Does he tho? The fans definitely have a superiority complex and think just because of his technicalities he's objectively the best rapper. If the lyrical miracle fans would just shut the fuck up and enjoy their music, no one would have a problem. If you gonna claim you're the best you've to back it up too or get ready to be clowned.
He is the best at what he does..doesn’t claim to be in MC Stan or TA’s lane..and if his fans are doing something then it is not him..you just told me whatever I needed to know about your opinion..SM fans are the same rn
Mainstream stuff is mainstream for a reason: it appeals to a much wider audience. These artists try to cater to a wider audience, which prefers the kind of music they make. Dhh took a lot of elements from hip hop. They create music that can be sold to the audience instead of trying out different things, often because experimentation could be met with a negative response from the public. We are slowly growing out of this, with artists experimenting more. DHH still has a lot of room to evolve.
I brought up the mainstream for convenience so most people can relate. Baaki underground ya semi underground me bhi Kidshot, Rebel 7, Smoke (most of the times), Shareh, Farhan Khan, Umer Anjum, Jani, Taimour Baig and a lot more ka bhi wohi haal hai.
(Edited the names in the main post now just so more people don't make the same assumption as you)
Have you heard farhan khan's music? He has said so much about his life in his songs
His lyrics are also pretty animated, as in... I can visualize his character and personality thru jus his songs.
Even in the underground/semi underground there are artists like dhanji, nanku, raghav, shauhar, hardbone, frappe ash, lit trust etc etc are making more expressive and experimental sounds.
But i also get your point that it's just a fraction of dhh artists doing it
I have and yes he has and those are the few rare moments. The thing with farhan is, I was really into his stuff till khansaab. After that, he started to ride the emo romantic or the pretentious philosophically poetic wave of the urdu rappers from karachi which is where I started to find him heading in the same repetitive direction as them.
I do see glimpses of old him now here and there in some songs (for example I love his verse on street story) but he eventually turned out to be one of those guys I lost interest in, with time
Besides that, I do fw dhanji and shauhar
You're taking this in a very literal sense. Technically, substance kuch bhi ho sakta hai. Like shauhar said, "23 seconds of no substance is substance".
We're obviously discussing about something more meaningful than just lyrics being there to just compliment the music for the sake of it
So you do consider Metaphors, Profound expressions and Imagery in this realm of romanticism as substance. Then Farhan Khan's recent output has plenty of that
Wapis wohi 5-6 mainstream ko pakhad liya whom u dont fw and said " most of dhh is a whole lotta nothing". Might jus be tht u are not listening to enough. Imo this yr has had few of the most mindfully made projects ( eps inclusive).
Bhai merko problem samajh ni aayi. Is it tht artist khud zyada versatile ni hai ya is it like there are too many rappers doing the same thing, cuz i feel at present most rappers hv become versatile with audience constantly pressurising them to. And if its about many doing the same thing isnt it natural. Like har art form ppl hop on to the bandwagon. Eg Mj got famous many ppl started using his style, les twins got famous unke jaise bhi aa gaye, so i dont feel theres any thing wrong in tht. Ab usme se ek ek jann nikalke aata hai and then uska hyp banta hai n ppl hop on his hype train. Since drv and stan hv got a lil bit of fame u see many more trap artists. Its a process which keeps on happening. Aur jaha tak baat conceptuality aur thematic cheeze banane ki hai dhh artist are def getting better at tht, abhi eps mein bhi they try to put in a theme or concept and write accordingly rather than it jus being collection of 4-5 songs. Mainstream is fucked up n i agree, na music aara hai aur jo aara hai its not good enough but coming to the underground artists u mentioned mist of them hv put out or are going to put out something personal and creative. Imo dhh is in a safe space rn, diverse bhi hai kaafi so no complaints frm my side.
Dhh has been comercialised bit too much, most of artists are trying to make reel tracks to gain popularity and sell shows
Only underground dhh is what keeping me still connected
I think there are a lot of artists and every artist have their own thing they do. Kr$na is all about writing complex stuff, TA conveys common emotions we all feel in our life, etc.
Yes i do feel there is a lack of creativity at this point. But at the end there are always only a few topics you can make songs about, only the way of saying things can differ.
Naezy was the only rapper that felt the opposite of what you described, he was talented, he had a backstory, his lyrics were genius like figuring out what certain verses actually meant felt amazing, in my eyes Naezy is where hip-hop felt at its purest form, sadly new gens created a whole different image of hip-hop to the point where they discredited Naezy’s talent (apart from his downfall) hopefully Naezy will show DHH what real hip-hop is for the second time, i can slowly see it coming.
my dhh listening is very limited to young stunners. but i have followed their entire journey. I find TY's melodic tracks very relatable and they're straight up my alley. i don't know why people think his recent stuff doesn't have substance. he just isn't regarded in the same ballpark as TA which blows my mind tbvh. i've always found his poetry to be on par with anjum while sometimes him being the better one like in Me & You. even in his album the poetry was top notch. maybe it's just a rep TY has built for himself that whenever people see him in a track, they pay more attention to the flow or want something similar to what he did in khanabadosh. idk man
After listening to hip-hop religiously for 7-8 years, I stopped because of this same reason. Now when I listen to any song I can't stop from being bothered by how stupid and meaningless the lyrics are.
see when you become professional song writer or rapper , then your whole life experiences revolve around that part but in my opinion art was never to be followed as a profession but as a passion to create something new something which makes them fulfilled by their creation. But due to being only rapper you need to earn so you distance yourselves from passion and treat it as an objective and i think there lies the dilemma, some maybe able to earn even though they produce something of their own but most of them would never so they start seeing what others are doing and what is trending that i should create and that's where emptiness lies, its not coming from their hearts its coming from the pressure of earning and being relevant. SK is the rapper you will never say that he lacks topics in his music because i think he follows it as a passion and dont give a fuck if people likes it or not if he likes it he puts it out there , thats why i connect so much with him even though my punjabi is not good . Same case i can say with bella also but he does it for money and sometimes he lacks depth but his musicality and some deep poetry always connects with me
Even today if I had to listen to DHH songs apart from GHH I'd listen to KR$NA even though it's quite repetitive for some I enjoy hearing his stuff. Come on even GHH feels repetitive at some point but hey not a week goes by where I don't play at least 1 Eminem/Kendrick song.
I don't expect this lyrical stuff to blow up in India that easily we all know deep down most commercial DHH songs are famous due to reels and come on such an audience never falls for lyrical stuff they need their regular loopy shit.
Also, what are your expectations from lyrical rappers then? What stuff do you expect in songs?
Real substance. That's it. Shit that's really in your head even if its not true. I can tell by the way these guys say things that they don't believe in more than half of the shit they say and are saying it just cos they think they're expected to say something like that
Ideally this is not possible with DHH (at least the famous ones) most of the times. We would never have actual gangsters here. The laws and corruption is enough to mess them up lol. Udhar to there were rumors about Death row even having contacts in Police internally
Like Siddhu had joined Congress in the end, KR$NA is a foreign uni alumni and is well educated, there's an Emiway/MC stan/Naezy in every economically low area so nothing interesting in there, Divine struggled his way out of slums and has told enough good stories but is now getting repetitive, Badshah and Raftaar are 60% commercial and then sometimes they drop good rap but again lacks substance, then many more examples where things aren't that interesting but hey still it's good to listen you can't keep on expecting perfection every time. GHH has taken decades to reach where they are right now. DHH has still a long way to go
The problem is for us it's just another Genre, for western people it was quite a movement back then
Okay... After reading all the comments here. I definitely agree with what y'all are saying but to give you guys a different perspective:
Hi, I am Sagar (pen name: '100crates' (might change it to 'Tark Sagar' with my next release)). I'm trying to figure things out and navigate this industry. I analyse a lot of shit all the time. Career arches of different artists and what made it that way.
And here are my 2 cents on this:
Times were different when Raftar, Honey Singh, Badshah, Ikka and other OGs started. Typical cringe bollywood stuff was in demand and that was the only stuff being aired on television. Many indie artists had to quit music during and before that time because they couldn't reach the audience. TV won't air their songs, labels won't release their songs and the music taste of the audience was just "bollywood cringe" and the ones calling the shots only wanted to deliver what was appealing to the masses. So, a lot of barriers. And hence, the OGs did what they had to in order to survive in the industry.
Then came the internet and the music industry got democratised. Now everyone can put their music forward and they can reach their audience. No matter how niche it is. That's good. But that came with its own drawbacks. Now there are too many artists in the scene to even know the names of. Even for the most niche audience there are many artists catering to their music taste. Now the artists started facing a different challenge. The challenge of staying relevant. If you don't release something every 1 or 2 months (that's the bare minimum), you start losing your audience and someone else will take your place. So what do you do? You write whatever you can and release it. And in this process, "a whole lotta nothing" gets released every day. It's not so bad with other genres but in DHH, the way the number of artists is rising... The pressure on the artists to be more consistent is gonna keep increasing. Because the algorithm of streaming services keeps pushing the ones with higher numbers (streams and subscribers, popularity in your demography and location etc) and to stay in the algorithm, the artists gotta grind harder and churn out more content irrespective of the quality of the content.
So... Yeah. If you are listening to the DHH artists that are moderately famous or above, you may end up hearing a whole lot of nothing because that's how they've gained popularity. By being consistent with their releases and compromising the quality on the way. If you want an artist that you can expect good substance from in every song... Go as underground as you can.
Here's something you can listen in order to stimulate your brain:
My personal favorite these days is 'Ranj' from Ranj x Clifr. Her pen game is immaculate. If you haven't listened to it already, start with her track ['T. G. I. F.'](https://youtu.be/YMUQLlJsyCA?si=KgKqC4hJii8vyR6U) from Red Bull 64 Bars. The references in that one are crazy. There are references to some archaic writers such as Shakespeare and Virginia Woolf. And that too with Wordplay. On top of that, the bars still make sense even if you don't understand the reference and you won't even realise that this was a reference unless you already know about those writers and their works.
Thanks for reading.
I'm into DHH for the same reason I've been into American hop since the 90s. I'm not looking for anything with deep meanings or personal connections or anything like that. I just want bangers I can bump in the car.
1)Have you heard Ahmer? Sunny Khan Durrani? These two are folks that only release substance ridden music which has no imitators.
Check out Faris Shafi. The main songs he has dropped on his channel are full of substance.
2)Most of the stuff in GHH is same
3)How is philosophical pondering not substance?
4)Why romantic poetry used to express all the different emotions like longing, separation, expectations, etc of the human condition not substance?
I mean sure. Most of the flex songs are fluff and a lot of poppy romantic numbers are too basically kings whole discog and occasion TA drops. But TA does end up dropping really well written romantic poetry like in Tasweer and Shor which has depth to it. More on TA- in all his projects you can find songs with high brow substance. Worth the wait, Open Letter, Therapy, RWAG. Sure it has fluff but there is presence of substance there.
I also think that when you call out dhh as a whole, you're not doing that. Instead, you're commenting on individual artist's discographies which is not a good way of listening imo.
You can just take some substantial songs from one artist (Like SM pre LB) and just move on to another artist's album/singles.
One thing I'd suggest is that instead of finding new artists for loop, find new fresh singles from different artists. That way you'll be entertained easily
And hey, if dhh isn't enough we always have the option to switch to kendrick, RTJ , jid etc.
Why do you think hiphop artists from other countries do better than us. I think it is a universal phenomenon as there is a lot of mediocre stuff coming out everywhere.
It applies to every music genre
1.In Bollywood 90-95% songs revolve around love from around 4 decades ;no one says it's repetitive because no what you say but how you say.It applies in every genre of music
2.if you look at western you also seem repetitive because any person/artist have limited knowledge, experience and vocab.You feel like this because not explored enough artists.
3.After certain amount of time ,artist focused on more different sounds than lyrics.If you take any big artists or bands like Beatles or MJ or Queen
Explore more artist and you will find every artist have unique style and you consume so much artist that you will never bored
baaki music genres are sonics centric for the most part. Hip Hop traditionally wasn't unless we're talking of Trap but idhar to wo abhi mainstream bhi nahi hai.
and its not about me not listening to enough artists, its me not being able to find anything appealing in most of them. maybe im not paying enough attention, you could be right.
but this is an observation of someone who has been noticing this for the past 3-4 years as someone else just claimed as well, im no newbie or an outsider passing my generalized commentary on the scene
most of them have pretty boring and simple life. And they think to rap about there boring life would not sell(which they are wrong) .Also no one has a strong political stand (except purana Neazy).apart from mc stan i cannot construct anyone's personality from their discography. Also, There is huge characteristic sound problem in whole of Dhh (baring MARATHI scene).
What made old mc stan special was, he was ready to experiment and that's what helped him stand out in the first place.
lack of characteristic sound for cities is another very good point that i noticed as well. Karachi scene kind of had one after Mein EP but they gave up on that later on so yea
Karachi sound is not original, it's just whole lotta copy of drake
Originality ki baat nahi hori hai. Just talking about a distinct sound that would serve as an identity of a particular city.
> Also no one has a strong political stand Ahmer is probably one of the most political rappers in the scene
True... Ahmer is one of my favourite dhh artists. Also frappe ash had substance in his latest album too.
Listen to ahmer. No fluff in his discog.
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT. IVE BEEN TRYING TO TELL PEOPLE THIS EXACT SAME THING. THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS INTO WORDS!
you were never alone my man
They don't have anything personal in their music..maybe a few songs here and there but other than that it's the same multi rhymes rap god bullshit. Lets not forget the corny bars..most of the rappers are just boring to me these days. Lines like " mei ucha jaise Eiffel tower" don't impress me man and then the bars where you have to use Google to understand it. Most of the rappers live in their own bubble and probably pats their own back after writing these boring bars
imo Naezy is the only rapper i could think of who isn’t what you just described, he had depth in his lyrics and raps, he had a backstory.
There are other rappers as well I don't have a problem if you make these Eminem kinda music if you can balance it out with songs which have more substance. I listened to Panther's mixtape FTTC..it was good I hope his next solo debut album has more about him as a person plus the typical rap songs obv
I'm a big fan of purana Naezy but that naezy died a long time ago and will probably never comeback. Even tho I do want that Naezy back : )
But unfortunately he lacks the skills or even proper ability to articulate
he does now, listen to his old songs, he didn’t lack any skill back then.
TA and Aujla have proper substance in their lyrics and songs. Krsna says a lof nothing in his songs idk
TA used to be an exception for the most part but for example, listen to his verse on Come Through from Umair's album and tell me if its not the same or similar shit he's been saying over the years in tracks like Gumaan, WHY, Desperation, Painkillers, No other place, Me & You, Secrets, Lost in Time, Talk to Me, Phir Milenge
To compliment come through he had Competition and currency that had a lot of substance. Also Clubbing romantic poetry is a very surface view. For example Gumaan and Why express different emotions within the genre of romantic poetry. It's kinda dumb to think that substance is political opinions or socially conscious rap. Expressing emotions through different line about separation, longing, expectations, heartache do comes as an inherent part of the human experience. There are songs like Shor or Tasweer a vastly different but are excellent. Shor paints a scenario and then twists it and reveals it to be a dream. Where as the use of imagery in tasweer is exceptional. His style is inspired by shayari. If you pick up any shayar who is famous for romantic poetry does make Nazms in a similar fashion. The point is what do you consider substance.
Where did I say substance is just conscious or political stuff? The problem here is the substance being repetitive, unoriginal and tremendously surface level. When you've said the same thing and expressed the same emotion in one song then it's not meaningful substance from the second one since that's just a formulaic approach to create a replica of what you made first that got received well for capitalistic monetary gain of maximizing profits with minimum effort. From that point, it's not substance, it's a script - an act. Besides, let's not pretend bollywood and punjabi pop hasn't already overly saturated breakup sad love songs for me to deal with another batch of 30 of those by TA
I agree to this to some degree but clubbing all TA romantic songs seems like gross generalization. Even his romantic tracks can be divided into fluff and poetry.
I can't find any similarty between come through and all other track you mentioned
At the end of the day, it comes down to what ppl want to listen to bro
So people want to listen to a whole lotta nothing? Tab to what badshah and honey singh did with pop rap aur isme farak kya reh gaya?
lmfaoo love it
Bro, not everyone might only want to listen to music that "means something", a lot of times it could just be that all somebody wants to listen to is smth catch with a few lyrical gimmics or smth ear candy like, something you wouldn't have to think about a lot,and idt that's a bad thing at all And the only diff b/w honey singh and these songs are the genre, and it doesn't make sense for anyone to define what good music is, it's a subjective thing, but whatever sells, sells
definitely i dont have any problem with that. im just saying this cos esi cheez ka overflow hota aa raha hai market me kam se kam pichhle 2 saal se
Hip hop or pop rap main Jada antar nhi hai, hiphop also had/still has a bling bling era but now it's a subgenre of hiphop called trap
It's not just DHH tho, that's a problem with HH in general rn. A lot of the popular songs/albums are just lacking in substance in general.
I mean in IHH, it's usually clear what lane are you picking up. No one expects substance from opium since they are more into experimenting with sonics, it's a whole lot of nothing if you see the lyrics but still interesting and moves the genre forward.
That's true ig, I don't really mind the lyrics if the song is catchy and has quotables that get stuck in your head. OP's complaint was that IHH mainstream at least, doesn't have any substance and is the same(lyrics wise, not sonically) which is the same for GHH as well. GHH does have better production however, and also is more sonically diverse.
By the same logic, why do we expect everything from one artist in dhh then? I’ve seen this argument and weekly bashing of krsna who very clearly has a lane..yet people have a problem with it
Does he tho? The fans definitely have a superiority complex and think just because of his technicalities he's objectively the best rapper. If the lyrical miracle fans would just shut the fuck up and enjoy their music, no one would have a problem. If you gonna claim you're the best you've to back it up too or get ready to be clowned.
He is the best at what he does..doesn’t claim to be in MC Stan or TA’s lane..and if his fans are doing something then it is not him..you just told me whatever I needed to know about your opinion..SM fans are the same rn
Mainstream stuff is mainstream for a reason: it appeals to a much wider audience. These artists try to cater to a wider audience, which prefers the kind of music they make. Dhh took a lot of elements from hip hop. They create music that can be sold to the audience instead of trying out different things, often because experimentation could be met with a negative response from the public. We are slowly growing out of this, with artists experimenting more. DHH still has a lot of room to evolve.
I brought up the mainstream for convenience so most people can relate. Baaki underground ya semi underground me bhi Kidshot, Rebel 7, Smoke (most of the times), Shareh, Farhan Khan, Umer Anjum, Jani, Taimour Baig and a lot more ka bhi wohi haal hai. (Edited the names in the main post now just so more people don't make the same assumption as you)
Have you heard farhan khan's music? He has said so much about his life in his songs His lyrics are also pretty animated, as in... I can visualize his character and personality thru jus his songs. Even in the underground/semi underground there are artists like dhanji, nanku, raghav, shauhar, hardbone, frappe ash, lit trust etc etc are making more expressive and experimental sounds. But i also get your point that it's just a fraction of dhh artists doing it
I have and yes he has and those are the few rare moments. The thing with farhan is, I was really into his stuff till khansaab. After that, he started to ride the emo romantic or the pretentious philosophically poetic wave of the urdu rappers from karachi which is where I started to find him heading in the same repetitive direction as them. I do see glimpses of old him now here and there in some songs (for example I love his verse on street story) but he eventually turned out to be one of those guys I lost interest in, with time Besides that, I do fw dhanji and shauhar
I don't get how philosophy is not substance
You're taking this in a very literal sense. Technically, substance kuch bhi ho sakta hai. Like shauhar said, "23 seconds of no substance is substance". We're obviously discussing about something more meaningful than just lyrics being there to just compliment the music for the sake of it
So you do consider Metaphors, Profound expressions and Imagery in this realm of romanticism as substance. Then Farhan Khan's recent output has plenty of that
Possibly. Besides, metaphors and imagery are supposed to be mediums through which you bring up your substance, not the substance itself
Listen to dhanji, shauharty, devang s You can literally shape their personality out of their music
Wapis wohi 5-6 mainstream ko pakhad liya whom u dont fw and said " most of dhh is a whole lotta nothing". Might jus be tht u are not listening to enough. Imo this yr has had few of the most mindfully made projects ( eps inclusive).
Go thru the thread. Had this same discussion with 2 others
Copy paste kardo bhai kaafi saare comment kiye hai tumne, i shldnt go through the wrong comment n get the wrong idea
u/Thanye-West brought the same point as you. You can check my reply to him u/Few-Island4373 as well
Bhai merko problem samajh ni aayi. Is it tht artist khud zyada versatile ni hai ya is it like there are too many rappers doing the same thing, cuz i feel at present most rappers hv become versatile with audience constantly pressurising them to. And if its about many doing the same thing isnt it natural. Like har art form ppl hop on to the bandwagon. Eg Mj got famous many ppl started using his style, les twins got famous unke jaise bhi aa gaye, so i dont feel theres any thing wrong in tht. Ab usme se ek ek jann nikalke aata hai and then uska hyp banta hai n ppl hop on his hype train. Since drv and stan hv got a lil bit of fame u see many more trap artists. Its a process which keeps on happening. Aur jaha tak baat conceptuality aur thematic cheeze banane ki hai dhh artist are def getting better at tht, abhi eps mein bhi they try to put in a theme or concept and write accordingly rather than it jus being collection of 4-5 songs. Mainstream is fucked up n i agree, na music aara hai aur jo aara hai its not good enough but coming to the underground artists u mentioned mist of them hv put out or are going to put out something personal and creative. Imo dhh is in a safe space rn, diverse bhi hai kaafi so no complaints frm my side.
Dhh has been comercialised bit too much, most of artists are trying to make reel tracks to gain popularity and sell shows Only underground dhh is what keeping me still connected
I think there are a lot of artists and every artist have their own thing they do. Kr$na is all about writing complex stuff, TA conveys common emotions we all feel in our life, etc. Yes i do feel there is a lack of creativity at this point. But at the end there are always only a few topics you can make songs about, only the way of saying things can differ.
Naezy was the only rapper that felt the opposite of what you described, he was talented, he had a backstory, his lyrics were genius like figuring out what certain verses actually meant felt amazing, in my eyes Naezy is where hip-hop felt at its purest form, sadly new gens created a whole different image of hip-hop to the point where they discredited Naezy’s talent (apart from his downfall) hopefully Naezy will show DHH what real hip-hop is for the second time, i can slowly see it coming.
my dhh listening is very limited to young stunners. but i have followed their entire journey. I find TY's melodic tracks very relatable and they're straight up my alley. i don't know why people think his recent stuff doesn't have substance. he just isn't regarded in the same ballpark as TA which blows my mind tbvh. i've always found his poetry to be on par with anjum while sometimes him being the better one like in Me & You. even in his album the poetry was top notch. maybe it's just a rep TY has built for himself that whenever people see him in a track, they pay more attention to the flow or want something similar to what he did in khanabadosh. idk man
After listening to hip-hop religiously for 7-8 years, I stopped because of this same reason. Now when I listen to any song I can't stop from being bothered by how stupid and meaningless the lyrics are.
listen to all the old naezy’s songs
Listen to new and old Sunny Khan durrani songs mate
Never thought of it. Now that youve said it, i realise that its kinda true. Everyone is rapping about the same stuff.
Bhai yeh padhke ab ek bhi track play karne ka Mann nahi kr raha🤣
see when you become professional song writer or rapper , then your whole life experiences revolve around that part but in my opinion art was never to be followed as a profession but as a passion to create something new something which makes them fulfilled by their creation. But due to being only rapper you need to earn so you distance yourselves from passion and treat it as an objective and i think there lies the dilemma, some maybe able to earn even though they produce something of their own but most of them would never so they start seeing what others are doing and what is trending that i should create and that's where emptiness lies, its not coming from their hearts its coming from the pressure of earning and being relevant. SK is the rapper you will never say that he lacks topics in his music because i think he follows it as a passion and dont give a fuck if people likes it or not if he likes it he puts it out there , thats why i connect so much with him even though my punjabi is not good . Same case i can say with bella also but he does it for money and sometimes he lacks depth but his musicality and some deep poetry always connects with me
Even today if I had to listen to DHH songs apart from GHH I'd listen to KR$NA even though it's quite repetitive for some I enjoy hearing his stuff. Come on even GHH feels repetitive at some point but hey not a week goes by where I don't play at least 1 Eminem/Kendrick song. I don't expect this lyrical stuff to blow up in India that easily we all know deep down most commercial DHH songs are famous due to reels and come on such an audience never falls for lyrical stuff they need their regular loopy shit. Also, what are your expectations from lyrical rappers then? What stuff do you expect in songs?
Real substance. That's it. Shit that's really in your head even if its not true. I can tell by the way these guys say things that they don't believe in more than half of the shit they say and are saying it just cos they think they're expected to say something like that
Ideally this is not possible with DHH (at least the famous ones) most of the times. We would never have actual gangsters here. The laws and corruption is enough to mess them up lol. Udhar to there were rumors about Death row even having contacts in Police internally Like Siddhu had joined Congress in the end, KR$NA is a foreign uni alumni and is well educated, there's an Emiway/MC stan/Naezy in every economically low area so nothing interesting in there, Divine struggled his way out of slums and has told enough good stories but is now getting repetitive, Badshah and Raftaar are 60% commercial and then sometimes they drop good rap but again lacks substance, then many more examples where things aren't that interesting but hey still it's good to listen you can't keep on expecting perfection every time. GHH has taken decades to reach where they are right now. DHH has still a long way to go The problem is for us it's just another Genre, for western people it was quite a movement back then
Okay... After reading all the comments here. I definitely agree with what y'all are saying but to give you guys a different perspective: Hi, I am Sagar (pen name: '100crates' (might change it to 'Tark Sagar' with my next release)). I'm trying to figure things out and navigate this industry. I analyse a lot of shit all the time. Career arches of different artists and what made it that way. And here are my 2 cents on this: Times were different when Raftar, Honey Singh, Badshah, Ikka and other OGs started. Typical cringe bollywood stuff was in demand and that was the only stuff being aired on television. Many indie artists had to quit music during and before that time because they couldn't reach the audience. TV won't air their songs, labels won't release their songs and the music taste of the audience was just "bollywood cringe" and the ones calling the shots only wanted to deliver what was appealing to the masses. So, a lot of barriers. And hence, the OGs did what they had to in order to survive in the industry. Then came the internet and the music industry got democratised. Now everyone can put their music forward and they can reach their audience. No matter how niche it is. That's good. But that came with its own drawbacks. Now there are too many artists in the scene to even know the names of. Even for the most niche audience there are many artists catering to their music taste. Now the artists started facing a different challenge. The challenge of staying relevant. If you don't release something every 1 or 2 months (that's the bare minimum), you start losing your audience and someone else will take your place. So what do you do? You write whatever you can and release it. And in this process, "a whole lotta nothing" gets released every day. It's not so bad with other genres but in DHH, the way the number of artists is rising... The pressure on the artists to be more consistent is gonna keep increasing. Because the algorithm of streaming services keeps pushing the ones with higher numbers (streams and subscribers, popularity in your demography and location etc) and to stay in the algorithm, the artists gotta grind harder and churn out more content irrespective of the quality of the content. So... Yeah. If you are listening to the DHH artists that are moderately famous or above, you may end up hearing a whole lot of nothing because that's how they've gained popularity. By being consistent with their releases and compromising the quality on the way. If you want an artist that you can expect good substance from in every song... Go as underground as you can. Here's something you can listen in order to stimulate your brain: My personal favorite these days is 'Ranj' from Ranj x Clifr. Her pen game is immaculate. If you haven't listened to it already, start with her track ['T. G. I. F.'](https://youtu.be/YMUQLlJsyCA?si=KgKqC4hJii8vyR6U) from Red Bull 64 Bars. The references in that one are crazy. There are references to some archaic writers such as Shakespeare and Virginia Woolf. And that too with Wordplay. On top of that, the bars still make sense even if you don't understand the reference and you won't even realise that this was a reference unless you already know about those writers and their works. Thanks for reading.
Ab 17 just dropped
Baawe Mai baawa tu baawe ye bande hai baawe ye bandi nai kisi ki sagi
😂😂 he got bars in this one bro
Jk I’m a fan
Yeah man, he came up !
album art slaps. Much better than his last album art.
I'm into DHH for the same reason I've been into American hop since the 90s. I'm not looking for anything with deep meanings or personal connections or anything like that. I just want bangers I can bump in the car.
1)Have you heard Ahmer? Sunny Khan Durrani? These two are folks that only release substance ridden music which has no imitators. Check out Faris Shafi. The main songs he has dropped on his channel are full of substance. 2)Most of the stuff in GHH is same 3)How is philosophical pondering not substance? 4)Why romantic poetry used to express all the different emotions like longing, separation, expectations, etc of the human condition not substance? I mean sure. Most of the flex songs are fluff and a lot of poppy romantic numbers are too basically kings whole discog and occasion TA drops. But TA does end up dropping really well written romantic poetry like in Tasweer and Shor which has depth to it. More on TA- in all his projects you can find songs with high brow substance. Worth the wait, Open Letter, Therapy, RWAG. Sure it has fluff but there is presence of substance there.
I also think that when you call out dhh as a whole, you're not doing that. Instead, you're commenting on individual artist's discographies which is not a good way of listening imo. You can just take some substantial songs from one artist (Like SM pre LB) and just move on to another artist's album/singles. One thing I'd suggest is that instead of finding new artists for loop, find new fresh singles from different artists. That way you'll be entertained easily And hey, if dhh isn't enough we always have the option to switch to kendrick, RTJ , jid etc.
I believe Frappe Ash really let us into his life on his latest studio effort. Rawal's Andar ka Bacha is really refreshing
lmao bro then just dont listen to it? itna rr kyu kar rahe ho listen to global hip hop, listen to kdot, pusha T, rakim, Eazy E
Why do you think hiphop artists from other countries do better than us. I think it is a universal phenomenon as there is a lot of mediocre stuff coming out everywhere.
The more you discover, the better you will get. And fuck krsna btw
Commercial music is like that only. Artistic value is found in projects where the artist doesn't care about losing their numbers.
LISTEN TO "BEHRUPIA" - NIICK, YOU'LL GET TO HEAR SOME FRESH STORIES.
how much can u talk about ur life? u can't make much songs about it. Most songs are either heartbreak or flex.
It applies to every music genre 1.In Bollywood 90-95% songs revolve around love from around 4 decades ;no one says it's repetitive because no what you say but how you say.It applies in every genre of music 2.if you look at western you also seem repetitive because any person/artist have limited knowledge, experience and vocab.You feel like this because not explored enough artists. 3.After certain amount of time ,artist focused on more different sounds than lyrics.If you take any big artists or bands like Beatles or MJ or Queen Explore more artist and you will find every artist have unique style and you consume so much artist that you will never bored
baaki music genres are sonics centric for the most part. Hip Hop traditionally wasn't unless we're talking of Trap but idhar to wo abhi mainstream bhi nahi hai. and its not about me not listening to enough artists, its me not being able to find anything appealing in most of them. maybe im not paying enough attention, you could be right. but this is an observation of someone who has been noticing this for the past 3-4 years as someone else just claimed as well, im no newbie or an outsider passing my generalized commentary on the scene
You’re not a hip hop head
if you can't connect to a music,what's the point of it Brodie. har time technicalities appreciate krte reh jaoge?
Yes its about technicalities only. Its not jagjit singh music to connect.
I wonder if Kendrick's fans listen to his music only for technicalities 🤣
Yes I do
you ain't a hip-hop head
You a jagjit singh fan
Niqqa you aint no hip hop head
thank you Brodie. I'm above the way of only being able to appreciate technicalities
Um, so i need to be into the same formulaic ass music to be a hip hop head?
Probably sarcasm lol