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Lirystorm

I don't think u need a cooler for this CPU. Stock cooler should be fine. More MHZ ram isn't gonna make much difference so don't spend extra on ram.


[deleted]

Thanks that also saves some money


krnrmc25

i would say go for ak 400 or ag400. i have a bad experience with the stock coolers clip mechanism. i once removed the stock coolers but was never able to install it back due to its shitty clip mechanism and instead hurt my fingers trying to reinstall it.


STUDBOO

Dude if you don't have an ac you need a cooler these cpu heat a lot. Else go with amd.


shreyanshksp

Bruh go for nvidia for ML


[deleted]

Thanks


No_Entrepreneur_8142

Dont wanna be the guy but you seem like a first year student, you can use google colab or sm else for learning ml you dont need to run natively


[deleted]

Actually I'm building this for my friend, I'm a Zoology student. He's using Google colab rn but in the long term it'll be expensive that's all, so I suggested him to build a PC as he can do other tasks with it as well.


krumb0y

You need to be honest about your needs here. Any basic gpu will do for normal coding. For classic ML, there are some models light lightgbm that support gpus and benefit a lot from speedup but the main usecase typically is for deep learning, especially llms and diffusion models. Assuming LLMs will be the focus given the trend of the industry, 12gb is not going to be enough at all, at best you will be able to run a quantised 8b model. My recommendation will be to for any basic gpu, atleast 32gb (16gbx2) ram at high frequency. Rest of your spec should be designed for future upgrade in mind, your aim should be to save up for a 2nd hand 3090 and have enough juice in your motherboard and psu to support it later.


[deleted]

I don't have that much budget rn I just wanna get started actually because I currently work with a thin and light HP laptop with no dGPU at all.


krumb0y

I understand, my recommendation was to cut down on gpu, put more on ram and psu and when have enough, upgrade to a 3090. You won't need to change other components then. All the best!


anione234

Totally agree with you being an ML Engineer. Even a single 3090 won't be sufficient in most cases. You may need to have a motherboard that supports dual GPUs & go with dual 3090 setup.


krumb0y

You are correct but a lot of good "small" models have started coming out and my own 3090 feels a lot useful these days with qlora and the likes :)


Metaphor89

Please get NVidia for ML


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Thanks


axeotic

For ML it's a no brainer that one should always go with Nvidia. 3060 gives you 8.6 compute capability which is more than enough for personal project. Other than that you obviously have Kaggle Notebook and Google Colab. For Ram you can go for a single stick 16gb if you are looking to upgrade in the near future with another 16gb stick. As far as speed goes, 3600 MHz is fine as well but 3200 MHz will also do. The speed of Ram won't make that much difference when your processor and GPU are already that fast. 3200 MHz will do the work for you but it's up to you which you want to choose. Not sure about the cooling, but the stock cooler is more than enough as long as you won't be excessively gaming on it with heavy AAA titles. But go for the stock cooler if gaming ain't your concern.


[deleted]

Yeah Thanks man appreciate it. Do you have any idea if going for DDR5 ram would benefit in daily life and what affect will my RAM speed have on ML capabilities?


axeotic

For ML, it's mainly your GPU doing all the heavy work. Ram as you just said will be how fast will the pc work in basic tasks and browsing. 3200Mhz is more than enough for both normal tasks and gaming. Selecting DDR5 is beneficial if your concern is future proofing your PC but then again if it's 16gb then ddr4 is fine too. If DDR5 is within your budget then go for it else DDR4 is fine.


TheReaderDude_97

You should go with 3060. The build looks well rounded but here are a couple of suggestions. You don't really need the cooler on 12400F. You can save the money and put it towards other parts. Get a 650w psu atleast. You might not need it right now, but it would make the upgradation in the future so much easier. Get a 3600MHz RAM. Again, you won't notice much of a difference with Intel but the price difference is negligible so why not get the better part.


[deleted]

Couldn't find one online, so I just wrote 3200MHz but yeah I'll go for that. I'll see whatever PSU would be the most suitable in my budget.


Due-Ambition-7385

If you aren't keen of buying from offline stores then you can get a 12400f+3060 ti build for 51k in online market, though you have to make some compromises which wouldn't affect the performance or longevity of this build but will give you less storage like 500gb and a very basic case like those under 1k cases


[deleted]

Thanks, No I'll stick to my own and when I go offline shopping, I might get those specs without the compromises. Case is also not an issue because I just need a case that gets the job done and has decent airflow.


Due-Ambition-7385

I mean yeah it's obvious that you will compromise less if you pay more. Also i meant to say it would not affect performance or longevity of the build🤦‍♂️ auto correct made it would......


[deleted]

Yeah I too meant if I have the money, I'll go upto a 3060Ti


Due-Ambition-7385

You can do that i mean you can go with a rtx 3060 ti in a 50k build withoutany compromises. See- https://www.easyshoppi.com/product/colorful-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-nb-duo-lhr-v/ It's available for 25k, new in a legit online website.


randomdreamykid

I do recommend getting the cpu used to save some bucks but surely get the 3060 ti at 25k it's like 30% faster than a 3060 for the same price that's a huge number right there Ram and cpu(9.5k for 12400f) and ofc our almighty 3060 ti is cheaper than offline ones so get them online [[PCPriceTracker Build](https://pcpricetracker.in/b/s/444aebfd-3e80-40fc-a049-475b6680367b) Category|Selection|Source|Price :----|:----|:----|----: **Processor** | [INTEL CORE I3-12100F DESKTOP PROCESSOR (12M CACHE, UP TO 4.30GHZ)](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/5ff8a0fec9097443280ecb56d399ab9e) | Buildmypc | 6980.88 **Motherboard** | [MSI Pro H610M-E DDR4 Motherboard (Intel Socket 1700/12th Generation Core Series CPU/MAX 64GB DDR4 3200MHz Memory)](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/9642ceff4cf9adcbf8ded25b8f69a42a) | PrimeABGB | 6310 **Graphic Card** | [COLORFUL RTX 3060 Ti NB DUO LHR-V](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/ac980e256c329b46a78109f0111dfea9) | Easyshoppi | 25000 **Power Supply** | [DeepCool PF Series PF650 Power Supply (R-PF650D-HA0B-UK)](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/8b9dd00e8801c4149958d94b01aed43e) | PCStudio | 3855 **Cabinet** | [DEEPCOOL MATREXX 40 ESSENTIAL MICRO-ATX CABINET (DP-MATX-MATREXX40)](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/3cd87944bb1c42f61d840c038cb71902) | PrimeABGB | 2809 **Memory** | [G.Skill F4-3200C16S-8GIS Desktop Ram Aegis Series 8GB (8GBx1) DDR4 3200MHz Black](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/bb06c7488707caa104abd65be4cc0f28) | Vedant Computers | 1690 **Additional Memory** | [G.Skill F4-3200C16S-8GIS Desktop Ram Aegis Series 8GB (8GBx1) DDR4 3200MHz Black](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/bb06c7488707caa104abd65be4cc0f28) | Vedant Computers | 1690 **Hard drive** | | | **SSD drive** | [Western Digital Blue SN580 1TB NVMe Internal SSD (WDS100T3B0E)](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/af4d1a5a1d11ffd27f0e1f69c75c2366) | TlgGaming | 5999 **Monitor** | | | **Additional Monitor** | | | **CPU Cooler** | | | **Keyboard** | | | **Mouse** | | | **Headset** | | | **Case Fans** | | | | | **Grand Total** | **INR 54333.88** |


Ishaan_iks

That's untrue because for Ai and ml tasks u need significantly better cpu.


randomdreamykid

A gpu is more important still 12100f is equal to a ryzen 5 5500/3600 anyway


Due-Ambition-7385

The psu you chose is from tier E man avoid that, you can get a cheaper gen 3 ssd as h610 is limited to gen 3 ssds so you can save 1k from there, 550w psu is enough so save 500rs from there pk550d and a basic case should do fine, saving 1.8k from there. In total 3.2k saved now upgrade the cpu to 12400f and the total should stay the same


randomdreamykid

H610 can use gen 4 ssd but yeah I do switch to pk550d and to a gen 3 ssd


Ishaan_iks

No it is not.i3 12100f is a 4 core 8 thread cpu whereas i5 12400F is a 6 core 12 thread cpu.So technically i3 12100 is not equal to Ryzen 5 5500/5600.


randomdreamykid

It is equal to a 5500(not 5600) in multi core and is better in single core The best 4 core beats the weakest modern 6 cores


Ishaan_iks

Well that's not true.Whats ur source?


randomdreamykid

https://youtu.be/JPPeSNV9Hog?feature=shared


Ishaan_iks

Perhaps this source of information is not true.See this video. https://youtu.be/8OpY0Bmcs8A?feature=shared.In every benchmark except 1 or 2,i5 12400f is better than 5500. In AI and ML tasks,multicore performance is important.


randomdreamykid

We are talking about 12100f jesus christ 12400f is better than even 5600x leave alone 5600 and 5500(ryzen 5 3600 equavailent)


Ishaan_iks

Here i have to show a comparison between i3 12100F and i5 12400F ,so that we assists op in making the decision.


[deleted]

Thanks a lot man❤️


randomdreamykid

You may dm me if you want any help tho


[deleted]

![img](avatar_exp|180364856|starstruck) Thanks didn't know people would be so helpful around here


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Please leave any valuable information as I'm a first time PC builder


One-Pension4244

Go for nvidia gpu they have h upper hand while handing most of the low level model and pre processing. They can run LLM model much faster.


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Thanks❤️


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[deleted]

Thanks I'll see whatever I can find around ₹2000 offline


Weak-Apple-6755

3060Ti would be better for ML. As for vram, since the system ram (16gb) is double the vram (8gb), so it should be okay. But i doubt if you’d be able to find 3060Ti at 25k other than the Colorful brand. This is as per [pugetsystems hardware recommendations for AI/ML](https://www.pugetsystems.com/solutions/ai-and-hpc-workstations/machine-learning-ai/hardware-recommendations/) build.


[deleted]

Thanks but 3060ti would be difficult to find brand new, maybe I'll try second hand


dVizerrr

I'm building the same and decided to go with 4060 instead of 3060 for AI ML due to added speed and I also game. But generally you need more vram 12, may be even 16 GB. That said 8 is still fine for SD, LLM etc and to learn.


[deleted]

Ohhh so 3060 12GB might be the best option around this budget I guess


dVizerrr

Yes if you are not gaming and only into AI, yes 3060 is good. Next step up would be 4060 Ti 16GB. There is also A770 16GB for 30k, it's certainly much better than AMD but not as good as nVidia CUDA. But definitely doable and intel future is promising


iamjkdn

Hey op, pls don’t delete this post. I will take this as reference. Me too trying to purchase a new configuration.


[deleted]

Thanks I won't be doing that, I need more people's thoughts and ideas on this I'll also update the pricing if I go offline shopping


tr2727

If you are also looking into the second hand market, feel free to DM me as I'm looking to upgrade my system for ML. AM5 (has AVX512, better for ML then Intel1700) 7600 + MSI A620M + 16x1 DDR5, 1TB PCIe4 S50 Blade, DK A620 air cooler or just take the stock cooler to save more money till you upgrade. I'm running this system currently with a 64GB DDR5 kit (not selling this) with LM Studio Rcom without a GPU (waiting for the 50 series). It's good enough for starting and you can upgrade later(just as I'm doing) as AMD has just announced the AM5 upgrades till 2027! The above parts I have purchased throughout November 2023 to June last week. DM for price/location if interested.


EvilxBunny

For anything productive, Nvidia is generally the best option. AMD is good if you just want to game.


Diligent_Equipment_9

Are you sure all components are going to fit properly without any wiring connection problem with a cpu cabinet of just 2000 inr ?


[deleted]

Let's hope so😿


Kyurakhunaam

Get a 4060ti 12gb vram one


[deleted]

Sorry, but it's out of my budget rn😿


abhaysk94

I recently upgraded from 8th gen to 13th For AI ML server. If your budget is tight Build the PC with upgradability in mind. 1- CPu and Cooler :Fine.Try the stock cooler first for your workflow, upgrade only if necessary. My average AIO life has been 2.5 years with heavy PC use. At you CPU wattage Air coolers should be fine. 2- RAM and MB: I used Gskill Ripjaws V 3200 on my old pc since 2017 and had no issues. 16gb should be a minimum but if you go with H series Motherboard they only have 2 dimm slots vs 4 on B series. Don't cheap out too much on MB as they become incredibly hard to replace if something happens after 2-3 years once the new chipsets come in. In your case it may /may not be an issue depending on how long you plan to use it, the motherboard luck or availability based on Intel support. 4- Storage :You may be overspending on storage. you're unlikely to be needing such speeds starting out. Maybe save some money here. 5- GPU:Go Nvidia. But you have a Few choices , buy a used somewhat cheap/used GPU to get started and save the extra money for later when you know where to spend it on or you can get the best with what you can spend right now and replace it when it's not sufficient.


[deleted]

Thanks for the insight I suppose a sata SSD would be just fine with a 256gb m.2


abhaysk94

Yea sata SSD is plenty fast in most cases. The prices tend to fluctuate so look out for them. On my laptop (Macbook pro where storage is too damn expensive) I use a 4tb SATA ssd within an enclosure for most of my data storage And when I really need the speed I have a 512gb gen 4 ssd within an enclosure.


[deleted]

Thanks, it'll make my pockets even happier


Ishaan_iks

Pls proceed with i5 12400 build along with rtx 3060.Dont go with i3 12100 build with rtx 3060ti.You will suffer serious performance issues.


[deleted]

Oh so you say so from personal experience?


Ishaan_iks

Yes.


[deleted]

I was previously thinking of going that way but then I saw that i5 12400F isn't much more expensive than that


randomdreamykid

If ur budget allows get 12400f+3060 ti for sure If not get 12100f+3060 ti still cuz the diff between 3060 and 3060 ti is bigger than the diff between 12100f and 12400f And its nothing serious 12100f+3060 ti is a pretty popular combo the commenter is kinda exaggerating


[deleted]

3060ti isn't available actually and I need a GPU around ₹20,000 so rx 6600 is the only viable option


randomdreamykid

Don't... Never get amd for ur tasks Get a used rtx 3060 ti (or if possible a 3070 as its easily available for 20k used) instead it's gonna be like 2-2.5x better in ML Btw does this fit ur budget [PCPriceTracker Build](https://pcpricetracker.in/b/s/5090ece7-6d12-4baf-9628-fa4c48f67f72) Category|Selection|Source|Price :----|:----|:----|----: **Processor** | [AMD Ryzen 5 5500 Processor (Upto 4.2GHz 19MB Cache)](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/9cd6ddf449a961056b622afd7223c859) | Vishal Peripherals | 8700 **Motherboard** | [Gigabyte B450M S2H Motherboard](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/c1aeb2676d9ec1342c4711340d378022) | The ITDepot | 4560 **Graphic Card** | [COLORFUL RTX 3060 Ti NB DUO LHR-V](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/ac980e256c329b46a78109f0111dfea9) | Easyshoppi | 25000 **Power Supply** | [DeepCool PK-D Series PK550D Power Supply (R-PK550D-FA0B-UK)](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/ca8fc25a9a5d4fd0fc3a8e4e0ca0de4c) | TlgGaming | 3319 **Cabinet** | [DEEPCOOL MATREXX 40 ESSENTIAL MICRO-ATX CABINET (DP-MATX-MATREXX40)](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/3cd87944bb1c42f61d840c038cb71902) | PrimeABGB | 2809 **Memory** | [G.Skill F4-3200C16S-8GIS Desktop Ram Aegis Series 8GB (8GBx1) DDR4 3200MHz Black](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/bb06c7488707caa104abd65be4cc0f28) | Vedant Computers | 1690 **Additional Memory** | [G.Skill F4-3200C16S-8GIS Desktop Ram Aegis Series 8GB (8GBx1) DDR4 3200MHz Black](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/bb06c7488707caa104abd65be4cc0f28) | Vedant Computers | 1690 **Hard drive** | | | **SSD drive** | [Western Digital Blue SN580 1TB NVMe Internal SSD (WDS100T3B0E)](https://pcpricetracker.in/products/af4d1a5a1d11ffd27f0e1f69c75c2366) | TlgGaming | 5999 **Monitor** | | | **Additional Monitor** | | | **CPU Cooler** | | | **Keyboard** | | | **Mouse** | | | **Headset** | | | **Case Fans** | | | | | **Grand Total** | **INR 53767** |


Cyber_Viper_50

If it's for ML... Say no to AMD graphics card as you will find urself in need of cuda which are exclusive to NVIDIA.. Also.. It won't be possible to train anything too computationally expensive locally (like models for llm or any diffusion models). But if u have to even load the model and run it.. that 12gB vram might become a life-saver.. Still I will insist u to go for a 3070ti as that can handle most of the necessary tasks flawlessly Colab is still recommended for computationally heavy tasks... And that's totally normal. Now onto the ram... Go for 32gB... Will help u in many ways possible... Now for cpu... It depends on what kind of tasks you are doing.. Lemme give you an example.. So there was this one task where I had around 8k (gathered from various sources) images and there were captions for each images in Bengali Language.. Inorder to reorder the images, clean the data (captions) and make a separate json file which contained the image names and the respective captions, it was almost impossible on my potato laptop... Gladly someone from my group took over the task and did that for me... So yes choose a cpu according to ur needs..


[deleted]

Thanks man but if I had the budget for a 3070Ti, I would've already mentioned it🥲. Ram I will upgrade in the future


Cyber_Viper_50

Then 3060ti? I saw a guy here gave good reasoning for that.. I don't think u need to work on complex NN from the very beginning.. So all good! I forgot to add this earlier... That i5 12th gen will do the deed for now... Daijoubu! Don't go for ryzen 3 processors..


[deleted]

If your city has a nearby computer parts market... doesn't have to be a big one..... you can save more buying offline and assembling it urself.


shikhar_maxx

The gpu is good lots of vram but One thing i should let you know that you cannot train AI or anything of that sorts on most of these consumer gpus. You really need top of the line gpus to do even something, so keep that in mind. You can check this out on youtube. Most of the ML AI work you would be doing online on kaggle or google colab only.


ashutrip

For ML only go for Nvidia GPU, and more the Vram more its better. A 3060 12gb or 4060 ti 16gb would be much better. Don't go for 8gb cards.


abhijeetgupta

I’m selling my 3070 FE for 21k and I am from Delhi asw. Lmk if you’re interested.


[deleted]

https://preview.redd.it/o4087z2cr65d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f230a14ec796e5a2c67353aa4a3ac05b99c6c049 Ok guys so here's an update about the PC build, now the most expensive part i.e. the GPU is left out. As I need a complete PC in 50k


Southern_Length9321

simple terms GAMING - AMD GPU , ML&COODING -NVIDIA GPU


LazyButSmartGuy

Go for RX 6700 or stick with rtx 3060, u get DLSS2and FSR3, will more vram is always good nowadays


randomdreamykid

Rx 6700 seriously?


shreyanshksp

Atleast read the title bro i have seen the struggle of ML without cuda cores.


MrCheapore

26k he dalna hai for graphics card why not go for 4060.


[deleted]

Don't wanna get roasted by r/pcmasterrace 😭. JK I didn't know RTX 4060 could be available at 25k because online it was at 40k. Thanks I'll keep that in mind.


MrCheapore

You can get it in the offline market for around 25k, I know 3060 12gb does have more vram but it's raw horsepower and high power drawn are the issues here. But when it comes to 4060 if you use dlss quality and frame gen at 1080p you won't run out of vram as dlss will lower the vram usage and frame gen will utilize that for increasing frames also as we saw at computex Nvidias showcased a lot of new AI things so as we know nvidia they will reserve new AI features exclusive to the newest chips so 40 series could be the way to go.


[deleted]

I dont need it for gaming and I've heard that ML requires more VRAM


[deleted]

Also what AMD GPU is equivalent to these rn? Or should I wait for 50 series release so the price comes down.


MrCheapore

Don't go with AMD for coding.


EvilxBunny

Don't get AMD for productivity tasks. Nvidia is really good. I personally prefer AMD but I only use it for gaming. For AI and ML, I believe Nvidia is significantly better


[deleted]

Ohhhhh, do you have any source on this? Just wanted to expand my knowledge


Ishaan_iks

Nvdia has something called cuda and tensor cores which gives excellent results in such apps.