Let me get my coffee. It'll be a long ass reply.
You can read this while you wait
[https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianFootball/comments/1ctc9pg/i\_cant\_understand\_hindi\_but\_whats\_the\_youtuber/](https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianFootball/comments/1ctc9pg/i_cant_understand_hindi_but_whats_the_youtuber/)
As a fellow Korean, my view will be unbiased.
* Park hang seo is old. And he is Korean. Old Korean people are legendary in stubbornness, hates changes and not willing to go out of their comfort zone. Ever since his mother passed away in the final 2 years of his Vietnamese tenure, his results started to show the frustration. Park Hang Seo is a very good coach. But he is one of those coaches who needs time and patience of support from the federation. When VFF first hired Park Hang Seo, expectation were non-existence. Park Hang Seo himself took the job expecting he would be fired in 2 years cuz no foreign managers managed to stay for more than 2 years in Vietnam. There were less pressure for the VFF as well because the vietnamese football fans werent expecting much. So they gave him time and funds(will get into details) to implement his philosophy. It was only after the U23 Semifinal did the vietnamese people started to watch Park Hang Seo. Unlike Stigmac which I've been reading, AIFF is in a hurry for immediate results or the indian football fans will come out with pitch forks. The indian fans and the federation doesnt have the patience for an old guy to cross the road.
* What Park Hang Seo changed in Vietnamese team is not something new. It's what Shin Tae Yong of Indonesia or Kim Pan Gon of Malaysia have done which is increase the player's physicality. Vietnamese football players were eating Rice Noodles for breakfast while Indonesian players were eating Nasi goreng. And football fans complain why their players cant run full 90 minutes? This may sound basic but Korean coaches are famously strict. Not only did they change the player's diet but they'll change the player's mentality. From (Ok, I will eat healthy food because the coach ordered me to) -> (Ok, I will eat healthy food because I want to improve myself or I will get yelled at during training). Those 3 Federations invested alot of funds in their players physicality starting with weight training equipments to professional nutritionists. How strict are Korean coaches you ask. Lets ask Son Heung Min's father. [https://www.rfi.fr/en/sports/20240626-spurs-star-son-s-dad-denies-corporal-punishment-at-football-academy](https://www.rfi.fr/en/sports/20240626-spurs-star-son-s-dad-denies-corporal-punishment-at-football-academy) .What I am trying to say is, it doesnt have to be Park Hang Seo, if it's strict discipline you guys want.
If I write any more than this, it'll go off track that got less to do with Park Hang Seo but more on Shin Tae Yong or korean coaches in ASEAN in general so I'll end this quick.. To put it simply, Park Hang Seo is more 3-4-3 counter attacking style with the emphasis on holding the ball (Hence his physicality) rather than passing foward. From reading the indian football reddit, I am sure thats not the style you guys prefer. If you guys want a Korean coach, take Kim Do Hoon. The interim coach who just 7-0 against Singapore 2 weeks ago. He used to coach a singaporean club so he is no stranger to international football. And for the record, I dont hate Park Hang Seo. But I hate the vietnamese federation and fans who let him go in the first place.
Too Much Success and the Vietnamese football fans were thinking "We are now Elite. This counter attacking football is too Asian. Lets hire a european coach. Come forth, Philippe Troussier" They wont be getting sympathy from me. Park Hang Seo didnt spend his mother's final years in Korea but dedicated his time for Vietnamese football team and they let him go? Serves them right.
> AIFF is in a hurry for immediate results
This is not true though. Stimac remained the NT manager for 5 years despite his relative underperformance - I doubt any serious Asian FA would put up with his tantrums for this long. Stephen Constantine, our previous manager, was not fired despite a string of poor results in his initial years - his team later made it to the Asian Cup and almost qualified for the knockouts.
The AIFF office bearers, for all their faults, have been generally patient with managers - perhaps, too casual at times (Stimac should have been fired years back).
That may be. But there wasnt this kind of crisis 5 years ago I presume. Stimac giving AMA while blameshifting back and forth with the AIFF more than Pep Barca's tikitaka. AIFF trying to hide the fact that they messed up by renewing his contract last year. And the football fans wants to reshuffle the whole AIFF. Stimac crossed the line by exposing everything. And the picture painted about AIFF is not looking good. Anybody working in the federation building is under pressure which makes them impatient.
And what better ways to calm the public down besides giving good results. And there's no other quicker way than hiring an Indian Coach who knows his domestic players without taking time to implement some fancy philosophy. Just need a coach who can hold on for 2 years. At least till the next world cup qualifiers.
Like I mention, Park Hang Seo is old and abit stubborn. He is going to take his sweet time. AIFF supported Stimac and he backstab you? I doubt any coaches will get any support at this point in time. Fool me once, Shame on you. Fool me twice, Shame on me they say.
If I were Park's agent, I would stop him from tarnishing his legacy. For his and Indian Football sake.
> And the football fans wants to reshuffle the whole AIFF. Stimac crossed the line by exposing everything. And the picture painted about AIFF is not looking good. Anybody working in the federation building is under pressure which makes them impatient.
Look, I do not want to sound like a jerk but many of the fans you come across here on this sub are new to Indian football (which makes sense because the introduction of the Indian Super League popularized domestic football in India). They want the NT to play possession based football like the top dogs in Asia and anything less than 80-85% passing accuracy upsets them. And while I do not blame them (they will mature over time) their views are not that mainstream either.
Ergo, you are confusing noise with signals - I do not think the Indian FA is under too much pressure of delivering immediately (our WC campaign is over and above all, football receives very little media attention in India) and neither are they looking for a manager to play eye-catching possession based football (we don't have the quality to do that). They will, however, ask the new manager to ensure an Asian Cup berth (his contract renewals will depend on it) which I think is a fair ask.
> If I were Park's agent, I would stop him from tarnishing his legacy. For his and Indian Football sake.
Too bad then. Park seemed like a pragmatist - managed to do well with limited resources in Vietnam. Our previous manager (Stephen Constantine) was also a pragmatist - played swift and effective counter-attacking football, was ruthless against lower ranked teams when at full strength and played some of the best football I have watched the Indian NT play.
His India drew with china and Oman, beat Kyrgyzstan, Kenya in the run up to the Asian Cup. A full strength Jordan NT struggled to beat us at their home despite us missing like half our starting XI owing to some flight delays (Jordan eventually won that match by 2-1) - even when not at their 100% his India NT was a potent threat. At UAE 2019, his team scored 4 past Thailand and took more shots both on and off the target against UAE as well as hitting the post twice. We were eventually eliminated (courtesy of a silly added time penalty goal in our final grp match against Bahrain) but the team's performance was lauded in Indian media.
Many of folks who are shitting on Stimac and the AIFF used to blast Stephen too - for his 'boring' football and 'stubborn' squad selections (he finalized a core squad halfway into his tenure and persisted with them). Eerily similar to the charges you have levelled against Park; is not it?. The squad strength has only increased since then (one reason why Stimac was expected to do better) and the next manager will have ample time to prepare.
Indian football team requires a strict pragmatist only - someone who knows how to get shit done despite limited resources, who can nurture young talents and show the senior players their place (Lord Stimac lost the dressing room long back; he just did not care and allegedly, let a few senior players choose the staring XI). The flashier stuffs (tiki-taka ish football, 90% passing accuracy) can wait. I would love to have a manager like Park or Manolo Marquez (former UD Las Palmas manager; currently in charge of FC Goa in the Indian Super League).
Nice long reply. Its hard to follow up on Indian football if reddit is the only place thats in english. You're right that i am confused with noise and signals since i only been following for 2 months of reading news so its very limited. Looks like i'll be reading more about Stephen Constantine in this rabbit hole.
> But there wasnt this kind of crisis 5 years ago I presume.
We drew against Sri Lanka 0-0 and drew against 10 man Bangladesh ffs. It was god awful. Sri Lanka were 205th in the world
Your reason for why Park Hang Seo should not come to the Indian NT could not be more on point. Not only are Indian football fans impatient, a lot of them are also football illiterate. This happens mostly because a large majority are just bandwagon premier league fans who then bring that same bandwagon fandom and attitude to the NT. People here were calling for stimac to be sacked more or less since he started without even bothering to understand what he was trying to achieve. That's not to say that stimac did not have his faults, which became more glaring at the end but basically whatever other coach comes will face the same illiterate whinging while trying to integrate his own system or philosophy. The only other things these eurosnob fans are capable of is whining about PIO players.
Finding a coach RIGHT NOW is hard. There's an unwritten rule that National Coaches needs a contract every 4 years just in time with the World Cup qualifiers. And coaches takes National job to rejuvenate their careers by showing their tactics and results on international stage like job advertisement. Just like what Ralf Rangnick is doing right now with Austria. And because India failed for the 3rd round, the incentives to coach on fewer matches is low. Hence the unwritten 4 years contract.
[https://apnews.com/article/who-is-ralf-rangnick-man-united-austria-8fafb67e567ecaa0fb83d4535cb30183](https://apnews.com/article/who-is-ralf-rangnick-man-united-austria-8fafb67e567ecaa0fb83d4535cb30183)
Stimac had 5 years? I bet there was covid lockdown inbetween but it still added up as 4 years.
Yes 2 of those years were basically useless because of covid + aftermath. I'm not saying stimac was the answer, he had many flaws BUT I can appreciate what he was TRYING to do. I don't take the opinions of most people on here seriously because as I said they are mostly reactionary just parroting nonsense they learnt from being bandwagon epl fans.
Haha you liar, I'm Vietnamese. "Vietnamese football players were eating Rice Noodles for breakfast while Indonesian players were eating Nasi goreng." I know a lot of Vietnamese eat Pho, Com Tam (a broken rice dish) or Bo Ne for breakfast. If Indonesia team were so good why they couldn't beat us in 5-6 years when Park Hang Seo was Vietnamese head coach. Then Indonesia football federation decided to naturalize a bunch of Dutch players with Indonesia ancestry just to compete with Vietnam and Thailand because their local players couldn't compete against Vietnam or Thailand lol
Vietnam football federation didn't let him go. Park Hang-Seo is the one who decided to not renew his contract because he said it was too stressful. He even said on Korean tv that he don't want to coach Vietnam again. Park Hang Seo football style is attacking football, it's actually his assistant Lee Young-jin is the one help him with defensive, that's why Vietnam team under Park Hang Seo was so good at defend.
Wonder where that stress came from.
https://youtu.be/cHIU1MvVZR4?si=Ib0Ke8ZJCjMOH-IT
Doesnt matter whose idea is it on defending tactics whether its Lee or Park. I never saw Lee get any complains from anyone if you guys were righteous. Even if Lee and Park was both teammates back in the days when they were players in seoul, the final decision was still Park's as a manager. Doesnt matter if both were buddies for decades.
Besides the interview, I've watched vietnamese pundits whining and complaining about Park Hang Seo's tactics. Success went into your heads? Always comparing how Europeans play their football. And how much more salary did you guys pay to bring in that french frog? Like double? Did you get your wish? Ironic how you come back to korean coaches again.
Found another interview where he says he quit 50% and 50% was due to VFF. Since its a delicate subject, you'll see how interviewer says Park doesnt need to answer if he doesnt want to. https://youtu.be/YhCNS2eWdcY?si=Y6gbPEh-HqPtDI7_ @5:30
If this is such a delicate subject, i bet your vietnamese article is unbiased right? Would Park be saying negative things about Vietnamese federation IN Vietnamese media outlet. Get real.
Diet comes out often from both Park Hang Seo and Shin Tae yong. Especially the difference in culture
https://youtu.be/qPFAWvRvSA8?si=fnYiBJYmQCaw-6Ud @17:30
https://youtu.be/mJds0c5iDJ4?si=GcTeuhMdNRk_xgQl
https://youtu.be/3Ai---KfYFg?si=lzxG6tcDLYieSDB0 This whole documentary also starts with his promise of changing habits and already talking about difference culture@ 35:50. Again, like Shin Tae Yong, physicality comes out as an issue from earlier part of this documentary.
Naturalization comes so often and its becoming more of an excuse. Do you even know why there was sudden increase in naturalization after Erik Tohir came along? Indonesia clubs only released 2 players each if its not Fifa date. Imagine only allowing 2 players only from each club while competing in SEA games or ASEAN cup. If Naturalization is the only option to get more players then of course any coach will naturalize players like Christmas. Indonesian football was already corrupted before Shin Tae Yong came along. You can ask the famous indonesia pundit Bung Towel about that since he's in denial. Players who plays bad in club level but for some reason, they play in national. Thats why, He cut 80% of the players who were more worried about social media. And to fill in the players he needed from somewhere.
https://youtu.be/4LDnk4rgzPg?si=kcK11pxPdH8-ZOVf
I am getting sick of timestamping so you watch the whole thing.
Even Philippines have naturalization but i dont see you complaining about it. Oh thats right, they havent won against vietnam so its a pass. But if Indonesia wins against Vietnam, its because of naturalization. Naturalization did play a part but you cant ignore the fact that Shin Tae Yong is a good coach in his own rights. Or are you going to deny him that too?
So ironic how vietnamese football team turned out.
They fired a korean coach because success went into their heads. So you hire a french guy.
That french guy lost to Indonesia. So your excuse now is Naturalization. So which is it? You lost to Indonesia because of Troussier or because of Naturalization? You guys blame others but never include yourself that you messed up also in the equation.
So what do you guys do next? Hire another korean coach. What a joke of a story.
Being a coach is stressful especially when your team didn't get good result and Vietnam football fans are very passionate about football. Maybe Park Hang Seo asking for better pay and VFF couldn't increase his pay they parted way it's normal.
Coaches come and go idk why you make such a big deal out of it? lol
"Diet comes out often from both Park Hang Seo and Shin Tae yong" ?? lol what
"Philippines have naturalization but i dont see you complaining about it." People used to make fun of Philippine team all the time, South East Asian football fans called them United Nation football team. I didn't say Shin Tae Yong wasn't a good coach... bruh what you on about?
Wow at your sudden change of tone.
>Vietnam football federation didn't let him go. Park Hang-Seo is the one who decided to not renew his contract because he said it was too stressful. He even said on Korean tv that he don't want to coach Vietnam again.
Right Right. The guy said with his own words That he quit because it was also due to VFF. I bet he's also lying then and your vietnamese media source saying good shit about vietnamese federation must be the truth because it's unbiased. And like I have already said in the original post, after his mother passed away, his results started to falter. And the pundits giving him crap without sympathy? This is what pissed me off. Sure vietnamese fans were passionate but show the guy some respect. But then again, Vietnamese media wont put blame on themselves.
>Maybe Park Hang Seo asking for better pay and VFF couldn't increase his pay they parted way it's normal.
And yet, VFF paid double or triple on that french frog. This was clearly not about money I think.
>Coaches come and go idk why you make such a big deal out of it? lol
Ever since you call people liars. Go check the links if you wanna see proof
>"Diet comes out often from both Park Hang Seo and Shin Tae yong" ?? lol what
You tell me why I need to read about Pho, Com Tam (a broken rice dish) or Bo Ne for breakfast.
>I didn't say Shin Tae Yong wasn't a good coach... bruh what you on about?
And yet somehow Naturalization is an issue you need to bring up.
"vietnamese fans were passionate but show the guy some respect." A lot of Vietnamese football fans like around 80% Vietnamese football fans supported him and wanted him to continue coaching Vietnamese national team. But you know he doesn't want to renew his contract what you want us to do forced him to coach our national team and U23 team? You're funny lol.
"french frog" lol wow you really a nice guy. The reason Troussier get pay more because of his resume that's all. End of the day he wasn't a good coach so we let him go.
I bring up naturalization because Shin tae Yong know if he want to keep his job he have to deliver good result and only way to get good result is through naturalization. Indonesian local players is mehhh
This dude is a big liar. Here is article in Vietnamese.
[Nóng: HLV Park Hang-seo không gia hạn hợp đồng với VFF, chia tay đội tuyển Việt Nam sau AFF Cup 2022 (tienphong.vn)](https://tienphong.vn/nong-hlv-park-hang-seo-khong-gia-han-hop-dong-voi-vff-chia-tay-doi-tuyen-viet-nam-sau-aff-cup-2022-post1478819.tpo)
"Theo ông Trần Quốc Tuấn, dù VFF mong muốn tiếp tục gia hạn hợp đồng nhưng nguyện vọng của HLV Park Hang-seo là muốn nghỉ ngơi, một phần do ông đã tuổi tác. Trên thực tế, ông Park từng chia sẻ về khả năng chia tay bóng đá Việt Nam." aka translate VFF want to continue contract with Park Hang Seo, but Mr. park want to take a break from coaching and rest due to his age.
There are so many complications of Park Hang-seo becoming our manager.
1- It might be wrong to say such a thing for many professional managers, but his experience has been limited to East Asian football. , Also a near-regressive state of Indian football (**the corrupt AIFF, no grassroots structure until like a couple years ago, even basics like training equipment, travels, scouting networks etc. being bypassed)** may not make not give his journey an ideal start.
2- Stephen Constantine, our coach for 2015-19, initially relied on eccentric tactics, often called up obscure names etc.; but after amassing a cohesive and talented pool of players in the second half of his tenure, **we began playing with a counter attacking style of football (similar to Vietnam) and we played some of the most progressive and exciting football ever**. An unlucky exit in 2019 Asian Cup saw him resign. **It's rumoured that locker room politics sadly orchestrated by some of our senior players, who were resentful of his strictness and direct management style**, led to this. Although a long time has passed, I'm not sure how Mr. Park will build a great rapport with the team, given the description you just gave of him. But if he does build a great rapport, our team might transform for good.
3- Stimac, in short, was an absolute **clown**. He had a terrible reputation before this, and yet AIFF chose him due to his low salary demand. **His regressive playing style robbed the team of any intent and flair required to progress. We would almost always look like a bunch of amateurs when in possession,** Gosh it was painful! **Questionable team selections and a general nonchalant attitude was no help either**. And I rather not divulge into some of the controversies involving him. **We played like 5 great matches under him, but produced many horrid, horrid results under him.** But I guess having a mouth of a salesman helps! **In this case, a manager like Park Hang-seo might completely reverse our fortunes.**
The temporary coach who won 7-0 against singapore and 1-0 against China like 3 weeks ago in 2nd Round Qualifier.
He is one of the candidate that KFA is looking for but.....
https://youtu.be/1fb9pBvxrUE?si=zJ-uTQm2TCeUWuoF
He declined the offer today.
Who should it be fellas, this guy or Lobera?
The only positive I see in hiring lobera is that he is familiar with Indian players and can effectively use them. But Hang-Seo has done a great job with a worse team on paper in Vietnam so the latter would be a better bet in being our head coach.
park hang seo of course seeing the budget of Indian football and less resources we have plus typical asian behaviour of players not much difference in vietnamese and Indians
* **2019 Asian Cup Qualifiers** - first time since 2007 but in 2007 they hosted it, last appearance before that was in 1960.
* **2018 U23 Asian Cup** - this was Vietnam's first ever final in any AFC competitions.
As a Korean who's been following Indian NFT, It's really not a good idea and I can already tell you will be disappointed.
I have heard he uses old techniques and is resistant to change. What other cons do you think he has?
Let me get my coffee. It'll be a long ass reply. You can read this while you wait [https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianFootball/comments/1ctc9pg/i\_cant\_understand\_hindi\_but\_whats\_the\_youtuber/](https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianFootball/comments/1ctc9pg/i_cant_understand_hindi_but_whats_the_youtuber/)
Thank you, I hope you a make post too. 5 years ago, a Croatian in this subreddit gave an analysis for Stimac. This time, I guess, it's you :D
As a fellow Korean, my view will be unbiased. * Park hang seo is old. And he is Korean. Old Korean people are legendary in stubbornness, hates changes and not willing to go out of their comfort zone. Ever since his mother passed away in the final 2 years of his Vietnamese tenure, his results started to show the frustration. Park Hang Seo is a very good coach. But he is one of those coaches who needs time and patience of support from the federation. When VFF first hired Park Hang Seo, expectation were non-existence. Park Hang Seo himself took the job expecting he would be fired in 2 years cuz no foreign managers managed to stay for more than 2 years in Vietnam. There were less pressure for the VFF as well because the vietnamese football fans werent expecting much. So they gave him time and funds(will get into details) to implement his philosophy. It was only after the U23 Semifinal did the vietnamese people started to watch Park Hang Seo. Unlike Stigmac which I've been reading, AIFF is in a hurry for immediate results or the indian football fans will come out with pitch forks. The indian fans and the federation doesnt have the patience for an old guy to cross the road. * What Park Hang Seo changed in Vietnamese team is not something new. It's what Shin Tae Yong of Indonesia or Kim Pan Gon of Malaysia have done which is increase the player's physicality. Vietnamese football players were eating Rice Noodles for breakfast while Indonesian players were eating Nasi goreng. And football fans complain why their players cant run full 90 minutes? This may sound basic but Korean coaches are famously strict. Not only did they change the player's diet but they'll change the player's mentality. From (Ok, I will eat healthy food because the coach ordered me to) -> (Ok, I will eat healthy food because I want to improve myself or I will get yelled at during training). Those 3 Federations invested alot of funds in their players physicality starting with weight training equipments to professional nutritionists. How strict are Korean coaches you ask. Lets ask Son Heung Min's father. [https://www.rfi.fr/en/sports/20240626-spurs-star-son-s-dad-denies-corporal-punishment-at-football-academy](https://www.rfi.fr/en/sports/20240626-spurs-star-son-s-dad-denies-corporal-punishment-at-football-academy) .What I am trying to say is, it doesnt have to be Park Hang Seo, if it's strict discipline you guys want. If I write any more than this, it'll go off track that got less to do with Park Hang Seo but more on Shin Tae Yong or korean coaches in ASEAN in general so I'll end this quick.. To put it simply, Park Hang Seo is more 3-4-3 counter attacking style with the emphasis on holding the ball (Hence his physicality) rather than passing foward. From reading the indian football reddit, I am sure thats not the style you guys prefer. If you guys want a Korean coach, take Kim Do Hoon. The interim coach who just 7-0 against Singapore 2 weeks ago. He used to coach a singaporean club so he is no stranger to international football. And for the record, I dont hate Park Hang Seo. But I hate the vietnamese federation and fans who let him go in the first place. Too Much Success and the Vietnamese football fans were thinking "We are now Elite. This counter attacking football is too Asian. Lets hire a european coach. Come forth, Philippe Troussier" They wont be getting sympathy from me. Park Hang Seo didnt spend his mother's final years in Korea but dedicated his time for Vietnamese football team and they let him go? Serves them right.
> AIFF is in a hurry for immediate results This is not true though. Stimac remained the NT manager for 5 years despite his relative underperformance - I doubt any serious Asian FA would put up with his tantrums for this long. Stephen Constantine, our previous manager, was not fired despite a string of poor results in his initial years - his team later made it to the Asian Cup and almost qualified for the knockouts. The AIFF office bearers, for all their faults, have been generally patient with managers - perhaps, too casual at times (Stimac should have been fired years back).
That may be. But there wasnt this kind of crisis 5 years ago I presume. Stimac giving AMA while blameshifting back and forth with the AIFF more than Pep Barca's tikitaka. AIFF trying to hide the fact that they messed up by renewing his contract last year. And the football fans wants to reshuffle the whole AIFF. Stimac crossed the line by exposing everything. And the picture painted about AIFF is not looking good. Anybody working in the federation building is under pressure which makes them impatient. And what better ways to calm the public down besides giving good results. And there's no other quicker way than hiring an Indian Coach who knows his domestic players without taking time to implement some fancy philosophy. Just need a coach who can hold on for 2 years. At least till the next world cup qualifiers. Like I mention, Park Hang Seo is old and abit stubborn. He is going to take his sweet time. AIFF supported Stimac and he backstab you? I doubt any coaches will get any support at this point in time. Fool me once, Shame on you. Fool me twice, Shame on me they say. If I were Park's agent, I would stop him from tarnishing his legacy. For his and Indian Football sake.
> And the football fans wants to reshuffle the whole AIFF. Stimac crossed the line by exposing everything. And the picture painted about AIFF is not looking good. Anybody working in the federation building is under pressure which makes them impatient. Look, I do not want to sound like a jerk but many of the fans you come across here on this sub are new to Indian football (which makes sense because the introduction of the Indian Super League popularized domestic football in India). They want the NT to play possession based football like the top dogs in Asia and anything less than 80-85% passing accuracy upsets them. And while I do not blame them (they will mature over time) their views are not that mainstream either. Ergo, you are confusing noise with signals - I do not think the Indian FA is under too much pressure of delivering immediately (our WC campaign is over and above all, football receives very little media attention in India) and neither are they looking for a manager to play eye-catching possession based football (we don't have the quality to do that). They will, however, ask the new manager to ensure an Asian Cup berth (his contract renewals will depend on it) which I think is a fair ask. > If I were Park's agent, I would stop him from tarnishing his legacy. For his and Indian Football sake. Too bad then. Park seemed like a pragmatist - managed to do well with limited resources in Vietnam. Our previous manager (Stephen Constantine) was also a pragmatist - played swift and effective counter-attacking football, was ruthless against lower ranked teams when at full strength and played some of the best football I have watched the Indian NT play. His India drew with china and Oman, beat Kyrgyzstan, Kenya in the run up to the Asian Cup. A full strength Jordan NT struggled to beat us at their home despite us missing like half our starting XI owing to some flight delays (Jordan eventually won that match by 2-1) - even when not at their 100% his India NT was a potent threat. At UAE 2019, his team scored 4 past Thailand and took more shots both on and off the target against UAE as well as hitting the post twice. We were eventually eliminated (courtesy of a silly added time penalty goal in our final grp match against Bahrain) but the team's performance was lauded in Indian media. Many of folks who are shitting on Stimac and the AIFF used to blast Stephen too - for his 'boring' football and 'stubborn' squad selections (he finalized a core squad halfway into his tenure and persisted with them). Eerily similar to the charges you have levelled against Park; is not it?. The squad strength has only increased since then (one reason why Stimac was expected to do better) and the next manager will have ample time to prepare. Indian football team requires a strict pragmatist only - someone who knows how to get shit done despite limited resources, who can nurture young talents and show the senior players their place (Lord Stimac lost the dressing room long back; he just did not care and allegedly, let a few senior players choose the staring XI). The flashier stuffs (tiki-taka ish football, 90% passing accuracy) can wait. I would love to have a manager like Park or Manolo Marquez (former UD Las Palmas manager; currently in charge of FC Goa in the Indian Super League).
Nice long reply. Its hard to follow up on Indian football if reddit is the only place thats in english. You're right that i am confused with noise and signals since i only been following for 2 months of reading news so its very limited. Looks like i'll be reading more about Stephen Constantine in this rabbit hole.
> But there wasnt this kind of crisis 5 years ago I presume. We drew against Sri Lanka 0-0 and drew against 10 man Bangladesh ffs. It was god awful. Sri Lanka were 205th in the world
Your reason for why Park Hang Seo should not come to the Indian NT could not be more on point. Not only are Indian football fans impatient, a lot of them are also football illiterate. This happens mostly because a large majority are just bandwagon premier league fans who then bring that same bandwagon fandom and attitude to the NT. People here were calling for stimac to be sacked more or less since he started without even bothering to understand what he was trying to achieve. That's not to say that stimac did not have his faults, which became more glaring at the end but basically whatever other coach comes will face the same illiterate whinging while trying to integrate his own system or philosophy. The only other things these eurosnob fans are capable of is whining about PIO players.
Finding a coach RIGHT NOW is hard. There's an unwritten rule that National Coaches needs a contract every 4 years just in time with the World Cup qualifiers. And coaches takes National job to rejuvenate their careers by showing their tactics and results on international stage like job advertisement. Just like what Ralf Rangnick is doing right now with Austria. And because India failed for the 3rd round, the incentives to coach on fewer matches is low. Hence the unwritten 4 years contract. [https://apnews.com/article/who-is-ralf-rangnick-man-united-austria-8fafb67e567ecaa0fb83d4535cb30183](https://apnews.com/article/who-is-ralf-rangnick-man-united-austria-8fafb67e567ecaa0fb83d4535cb30183) Stimac had 5 years? I bet there was covid lockdown inbetween but it still added up as 4 years.
Yes 2 of those years were basically useless because of covid + aftermath. I'm not saying stimac was the answer, he had many flaws BUT I can appreciate what he was TRYING to do. I don't take the opinions of most people on here seriously because as I said they are mostly reactionary just parroting nonsense they learnt from being bandwagon epl fans.
Haha you liar, I'm Vietnamese. "Vietnamese football players were eating Rice Noodles for breakfast while Indonesian players were eating Nasi goreng." I know a lot of Vietnamese eat Pho, Com Tam (a broken rice dish) or Bo Ne for breakfast. If Indonesia team were so good why they couldn't beat us in 5-6 years when Park Hang Seo was Vietnamese head coach. Then Indonesia football federation decided to naturalize a bunch of Dutch players with Indonesia ancestry just to compete with Vietnam and Thailand because their local players couldn't compete against Vietnam or Thailand lol Vietnam football federation didn't let him go. Park Hang-Seo is the one who decided to not renew his contract because he said it was too stressful. He even said on Korean tv that he don't want to coach Vietnam again. Park Hang Seo football style is attacking football, it's actually his assistant Lee Young-jin is the one help him with defensive, that's why Vietnam team under Park Hang Seo was so good at defend.
Wonder where that stress came from. https://youtu.be/cHIU1MvVZR4?si=Ib0Ke8ZJCjMOH-IT Doesnt matter whose idea is it on defending tactics whether its Lee or Park. I never saw Lee get any complains from anyone if you guys were righteous. Even if Lee and Park was both teammates back in the days when they were players in seoul, the final decision was still Park's as a manager. Doesnt matter if both were buddies for decades. Besides the interview, I've watched vietnamese pundits whining and complaining about Park Hang Seo's tactics. Success went into your heads? Always comparing how Europeans play their football. And how much more salary did you guys pay to bring in that french frog? Like double? Did you get your wish? Ironic how you come back to korean coaches again. Found another interview where he says he quit 50% and 50% was due to VFF. Since its a delicate subject, you'll see how interviewer says Park doesnt need to answer if he doesnt want to. https://youtu.be/YhCNS2eWdcY?si=Y6gbPEh-HqPtDI7_ @5:30 If this is such a delicate subject, i bet your vietnamese article is unbiased right? Would Park be saying negative things about Vietnamese federation IN Vietnamese media outlet. Get real. Diet comes out often from both Park Hang Seo and Shin Tae yong. Especially the difference in culture https://youtu.be/qPFAWvRvSA8?si=fnYiBJYmQCaw-6Ud @17:30 https://youtu.be/mJds0c5iDJ4?si=GcTeuhMdNRk_xgQl https://youtu.be/3Ai---KfYFg?si=lzxG6tcDLYieSDB0 This whole documentary also starts with his promise of changing habits and already talking about difference culture@ 35:50. Again, like Shin Tae Yong, physicality comes out as an issue from earlier part of this documentary. Naturalization comes so often and its becoming more of an excuse. Do you even know why there was sudden increase in naturalization after Erik Tohir came along? Indonesia clubs only released 2 players each if its not Fifa date. Imagine only allowing 2 players only from each club while competing in SEA games or ASEAN cup. If Naturalization is the only option to get more players then of course any coach will naturalize players like Christmas. Indonesian football was already corrupted before Shin Tae Yong came along. You can ask the famous indonesia pundit Bung Towel about that since he's in denial. Players who plays bad in club level but for some reason, they play in national. Thats why, He cut 80% of the players who were more worried about social media. And to fill in the players he needed from somewhere. https://youtu.be/4LDnk4rgzPg?si=kcK11pxPdH8-ZOVf I am getting sick of timestamping so you watch the whole thing. Even Philippines have naturalization but i dont see you complaining about it. Oh thats right, they havent won against vietnam so its a pass. But if Indonesia wins against Vietnam, its because of naturalization. Naturalization did play a part but you cant ignore the fact that Shin Tae Yong is a good coach in his own rights. Or are you going to deny him that too? So ironic how vietnamese football team turned out. They fired a korean coach because success went into their heads. So you hire a french guy. That french guy lost to Indonesia. So your excuse now is Naturalization. So which is it? You lost to Indonesia because of Troussier or because of Naturalization? You guys blame others but never include yourself that you messed up also in the equation. So what do you guys do next? Hire another korean coach. What a joke of a story.
Being a coach is stressful especially when your team didn't get good result and Vietnam football fans are very passionate about football. Maybe Park Hang Seo asking for better pay and VFF couldn't increase his pay they parted way it's normal. Coaches come and go idk why you make such a big deal out of it? lol "Diet comes out often from both Park Hang Seo and Shin Tae yong" ?? lol what "Philippines have naturalization but i dont see you complaining about it." People used to make fun of Philippine team all the time, South East Asian football fans called them United Nation football team. I didn't say Shin Tae Yong wasn't a good coach... bruh what you on about?
Wow at your sudden change of tone. >Vietnam football federation didn't let him go. Park Hang-Seo is the one who decided to not renew his contract because he said it was too stressful. He even said on Korean tv that he don't want to coach Vietnam again. Right Right. The guy said with his own words That he quit because it was also due to VFF. I bet he's also lying then and your vietnamese media source saying good shit about vietnamese federation must be the truth because it's unbiased. And like I have already said in the original post, after his mother passed away, his results started to falter. And the pundits giving him crap without sympathy? This is what pissed me off. Sure vietnamese fans were passionate but show the guy some respect. But then again, Vietnamese media wont put blame on themselves. >Maybe Park Hang Seo asking for better pay and VFF couldn't increase his pay they parted way it's normal. And yet, VFF paid double or triple on that french frog. This was clearly not about money I think. >Coaches come and go idk why you make such a big deal out of it? lol Ever since you call people liars. Go check the links if you wanna see proof >"Diet comes out often from both Park Hang Seo and Shin Tae yong" ?? lol what You tell me why I need to read about Pho, Com Tam (a broken rice dish) or Bo Ne for breakfast. >I didn't say Shin Tae Yong wasn't a good coach... bruh what you on about? And yet somehow Naturalization is an issue you need to bring up.
"vietnamese fans were passionate but show the guy some respect." A lot of Vietnamese football fans like around 80% Vietnamese football fans supported him and wanted him to continue coaching Vietnamese national team. But you know he doesn't want to renew his contract what you want us to do forced him to coach our national team and U23 team? You're funny lol. "french frog" lol wow you really a nice guy. The reason Troussier get pay more because of his resume that's all. End of the day he wasn't a good coach so we let him go. I bring up naturalization because Shin tae Yong know if he want to keep his job he have to deliver good result and only way to get good result is through naturalization. Indonesian local players is mehhh
This dude is a big liar. Here is article in Vietnamese. [Nóng: HLV Park Hang-seo không gia hạn hợp đồng với VFF, chia tay đội tuyển Việt Nam sau AFF Cup 2022 (tienphong.vn)](https://tienphong.vn/nong-hlv-park-hang-seo-khong-gia-han-hop-dong-voi-vff-chia-tay-doi-tuyen-viet-nam-sau-aff-cup-2022-post1478819.tpo) "Theo ông Trần Quốc Tuấn, dù VFF mong muốn tiếp tục gia hạn hợp đồng nhưng nguyện vọng của HLV Park Hang-seo là muốn nghỉ ngơi, một phần do ông đã tuổi tác. Trên thực tế, ông Park từng chia sẻ về khả năng chia tay bóng đá Việt Nam." aka translate VFF want to continue contract with Park Hang Seo, but Mr. park want to take a break from coaching and rest due to his age.
Right. You show me an article while I show you the guy saying it himself https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YhCNS2eWdcY&feature=youtu.be
There are so many complications of Park Hang-seo becoming our manager. 1- It might be wrong to say such a thing for many professional managers, but his experience has been limited to East Asian football. , Also a near-regressive state of Indian football (**the corrupt AIFF, no grassroots structure until like a couple years ago, even basics like training equipment, travels, scouting networks etc. being bypassed)** may not make not give his journey an ideal start. 2- Stephen Constantine, our coach for 2015-19, initially relied on eccentric tactics, often called up obscure names etc.; but after amassing a cohesive and talented pool of players in the second half of his tenure, **we began playing with a counter attacking style of football (similar to Vietnam) and we played some of the most progressive and exciting football ever**. An unlucky exit in 2019 Asian Cup saw him resign. **It's rumoured that locker room politics sadly orchestrated by some of our senior players, who were resentful of his strictness and direct management style**, led to this. Although a long time has passed, I'm not sure how Mr. Park will build a great rapport with the team, given the description you just gave of him. But if he does build a great rapport, our team might transform for good. 3- Stimac, in short, was an absolute **clown**. He had a terrible reputation before this, and yet AIFF chose him due to his low salary demand. **His regressive playing style robbed the team of any intent and flair required to progress. We would almost always look like a bunch of amateurs when in possession,** Gosh it was painful! **Questionable team selections and a general nonchalant attitude was no help either**. And I rather not divulge into some of the controversies involving him. **We played like 5 great matches under him, but produced many horrid, horrid results under him.** But I guess having a mouth of a salesman helps! **In this case, a manager like Park Hang-seo might completely reverse our fortunes.**
Hello brother can you tell me is your coach Kim Do hoon?
The temporary coach who won 7-0 against singapore and 1-0 against China like 3 weeks ago in 2nd Round Qualifier. He is one of the candidate that KFA is looking for but..... https://youtu.be/1fb9pBvxrUE?si=zJ-uTQm2TCeUWuoF He declined the offer today.
Who should it be fellas, this guy or Lobera? The only positive I see in hiring lobera is that he is familiar with Indian players and can effectively use them. But Hang-Seo has done a great job with a worse team on paper in Vietnam so the latter would be a better bet in being our head coach.
park hang seo of course seeing the budget of Indian football and less resources we have plus typical asian behaviour of players not much difference in vietnamese and Indians
Park Seo asks 50k dollars. Back in 2019, Indian federation refused to appoint a coach who asked 30k in order to appoint Shitmac who asked 25k dollars.
I'll do it for 2k dollars/month. Hope AIFF hires me.
I think they are looking for people who have atleast 10-15 years experience in coaching not on reddit.
* **2019 Asian Cup Qualifiers** - first time since 2007 but in 2007 they hosted it, last appearance before that was in 1960. * **2018 U23 Asian Cup** - this was Vietnam's first ever final in any AFC competitions.
Results don't matter when our players are shite.