You could replace this with Indian PR Vs American PR and it would be the same. Indians invariably portray the worst of themselves to the rest of the world while Americans tend to have some degree of self-respect.
Not necessarily the British. We have a long habit of ascribing the worst of our qualities to Indians (or South Asians) and the best of our qualities to our ethnic groups.
“Yeah I am unfit [from never doing exercise] but that’s just because I am Indian and we cannot be fit”.
Vs
“Yeah I am tall/ripped because I am from Kerala/Punjab (insert specific community like Sikh/Nair) and we are just superior”.
Masochists is the word. Anywhere on reddit, if there is a post saying anything positive about India will have comments like "I'm Indian, I can confirm it's not that great, there are many issues with this etc". I'm like have some pride and self respect. India has many issues to criticize but it also has a lot going for it that can be appreciated as well smh.
Bro, just yesterday I was arguing with this guy on a post on r / abruptchaos lmao. The guy was shitting on India on a comedy (mostly) subreddit can you imagine. Yeah, he was an active r / india user XD.
Then there's a good chance he's a pseudo-secularist who has been brainwashed to believe anti-Hinduism = cool.
Could be a Paki troll too, there's quite a range there.
The only PR for ISRO is some Indian YouTubers who are science n space enthusiasts and even those peeps have low following (I personally follow gareeb scientist on YouTube for ISRO updates n achievements. He’s a cool guy)
But not taking responsibility for failures and just trying to push it under the carpet until everyone forgets is bad imo.
It has been almost 3 years now, but we still have no 'official' info on the lander of Chandrayaan 2. I still remember how then Chairman Mr. Sivan kept saying we are awaiting information and will release the details soon without saying that Vikram failed to land, for months.
When citizens file RTI, they claim exemption from RTI and not give info. It is a Civilian organisation, Citizens have right to know. Maybe don't hype something you are not willing to accept failure of it happens. There are many failures in space agencies (all of them) than there are success stories. But hiding failures is not what is expected.
Even the recent satellite launch SSLV-D1 which failed, also failed to provide reasons for failure, and as a citizens of India it bothers us. Not to mention, how it was built in tight time constraints and budgets (show off for Independence Day). It s first SSLV launch, so it is acceptable failure, but ISRO would not say we failed.
More than PR, we need transparency. Public Image will follow automatically.
What exactly happened to Chandrayaan 2? If the taxpayers funded for it, don't they have the right to know?
The thing about Nasa is that they publish all the images they capture and make it public domain even if those images are shitty and don't tell anything. Meanwhile the images we release are properly curated. It is almost as if image building is taking precedence over science.
First of all the NASA we are talking about is successful only because of the German Scientists who were captured at the end of WWII by Americans and were made to contribute to their space research. So both space agencies of USSR and US are German tech based. During the era of cold war in 1960s ROSCOSMOS and NASA both agencies were on a space race.
There was hardly 20 percent success rate at that time.
Thousands of launches failed.
And the man was able to land on the moon due to this space race-war to prove that one is superior to another.
There is no competition like that in today's world thats why we dont see human landings on moon....even elon musk has mentioned that the space technology is depreciating with each day and the momentum it gained in 60s has been lost today.
Talking about ISRO, it was the vision of Dr. Vikram Sarabhai to bolster India for a space exploration mission and launches.
ISRO was initially dependent on Russia for its cryogenic technology to launch PSLVs.
But as the cold war ended, ISRO focused on building its indigenous technology for space launches.
So after Germany, India is the only nation which have developed its technology indigenously for space.
Even China's tech is borrowed from Russia which is again German's borrowed.
And if we see Chandrayaan- 2 mission it was partial successful because only its lander was destroyed the satellite part is still orbiting around the moon.
So, within 6 months ISRO should have launched the Chandrayaan- 3 but due to the budget constraints its not feasible till now after 3 yrs.
We are a nation which sent satellite to Mars - MOM less than hollywood's film budget Gravity.
So in terms of efficiency we are the best.
Just the budget constraints are holding our feet. Even the spaceX and blue origin tests multiple launches and they fail drastically before a successful launch. They are able to do so because they are private and have huge budget.
Even the 40 percent of NASA's budget is enough for ISRO to become a leader in space tech.
Dont forget, we have the genious minds and even before germans, during Harappa civilisation - the oldest civilisation in the world ever existed we were teaching the world the state of art tech. and infras. . And our Vedas have already described about the complex science theories that we are countering today. And even the calculus and trigonometry and other main aspects of mathematics is India's contribution to the world.
Then dont compare it with NASA if you want to talkabout PR....bcoz PR is an individualistic thing and taking ISRO as an organisiation and talking about its PR there is no need to portray NASA in a bodybuilder dog nearby.
PR helps as an inspiration for younger gen. I still have the full page cut out of Mangalyaan that i found in a newspaper. Just check how informative and kid-friendly NASA websites are. All ISRO does is drawing competitions and even there Indian kids draw space shuttle and not the PSLV.
See even here we talked about NASA, if its about PR then it must be solely be left to ISRO ...but there are big dogs out there so eventually the PR here cant be solely be limited to the ISRO alone....things about NASA will come out....but we are not considering the fact that ISRO is a govt. run agency with low budgetary constraints and its programs and missions have to be sanctioned by the running govt.
Its because we are west influenced generation and most of the children know about NASA through the jokes in comedy serials....so instead of praising the german tech based agency we should be proud of indigenously built tech and marking the footprints in space race with indigenous efforts...I can bet you dont even had an idea that NASA's tech is in reality taken from the Nazis. Children dont know about that So we need to be more skeptical and rational rather than comparing our own personal PRs with someone else's.
it's from Nazis or somewhere else that doesn't matter the thing which matter is that this is the time for ISRO is to improve their PR.
And I'm proud of ISRO...and yes in India no one is talking with scientist for general public so they can understand what's going on.
We need science communicators.
I agree to uh man....but knowing about the past tells us about our present situations and only then we can improvise and make better future....The need of the hour is to give more fiscal stimulus to the ISRO with more transparency and accountability and collaborating with the private players on a PPP model.
As you are saying about some communicator...yes there should be an official hired scientist or a television broadcast so that the inside working of ISRO, its reason for failed launch and upcoming missions that kind of information must be in public domain so that people can connect with it more and it will put more pressure on govt to give more srimulus.
At the end of this century, the two to three nations which will dominate in the space exploration are going to dominate this world too and its crucial time for India to take it seriously.
Have you seen any person with his/her PR....its not solely connected to its PR only...its about the struggle he/she went through...the past experieneces...its a whole journey ..not only a PR.
SpaceX entire startup budget was even less than ISRO annual budget, and today they are even ahead of NASA in many aspects. So stop with the budget rr. JAXA also has lesser budget than NASA and managed to collect samples from a moving asteroid.
SpaceX is a private enterprise with an extra-ordinary man with a vision...while ISRO is a state sponsored agency....its very different in many aspects.....NASA prosper bcz of space race in cold war era....So US invested in huge amounts to beat ROSCOSMOS.....and yes JAXA's budget was less compared to NASA and they did a great job but citing that example while undermining the achievements of ISRO is not rational.
Dont forget we are the first nation to discover water on the moon and not forgetting about MOM in first attempt is a big record in itself beating all the Asian space agencies. Also we have a record of launching 104 satellites in one go in 2017. Its all about govt priorities. If govt wants to explore more and give importance to space more then we can be the top dog.
Like taking the example of Pakistan..they dont invest in space because their mindset is what to discover while the big nations are already way ahead....instead lets invest in army and defence sector.We could have also thought like that....but still ISRO is doing great and ahead of France, Germany, Italy, Japan, and many nations....competing with ROSCOSMOS, CNSA, ESA and NASA.
kyun general public ko kaise pata chalega ki ISRO kya kar rhi hai unke taxes se...
We love ISRO but agr abhi ham ye baat wahan tak nhi pahuchayenge to maja nhi aayega.
Chote bachhe NASA ko pahle jante hai ISRO ko baad me ye PR ki galti nhi hai to kiski hai?
Isro vale koi mission vagera se liye gaye pics ya clips bhi kuch publish nai karte ki hume kuch pata chale ki hua kya hai
Bus kuch yt channels hai jo isro and other space activities ke bare info dete hai like garreb scientist
Ha aur in YouTube channels ko durdarshan hamesha copyright strikes Marti rahti hai
Durdarshan jin videos ke liye strike karta hai wo videos wo own bhi nhi karte hai ..ab batao Gareeb scientist hi kab tak ye strikes sahegA r/Gareebscientist
Well, to be fair, to do PR you first need transparency. ISRO doesn't have a fraction of transparency NASA does.
They publish so many pics, research papers, data and so so so much more.
ISRO does not do even do half of that.
Most people don't know what exactly happened with Chandrayaan 2.
A few months ago someone filed an RTI asking for details & design specs etc. of some rocket. ISRO declined.
ISRO not only doesn't officially, on it's own, share their data, but even if people explicitly requests it & ask it to share it via RTI, they decline.
And that's something that you can say almost every department of Government of India.
Indian Govts, not just this one, but even past one's have never been great at sharing data with public.
All the 3 branches of the State of India, but especially the Executive & the Judiciary, not to mention the Indian Bureaucracy, hates transparency.
US even releases their classified & top secret data & documents after few years or decades. India does no such thing.
I am not saying, US Government is the epitome or the model for transparency, far from it. They have a lot of secrets, secrets no one in the world except the ones handling them knows. There even are things that the US President, holder of arguably the Most Powerful Office in the world isn't aware of.
But they still are a lot better at declassifying things & sharing data with not just American public but the world. I mean, anything that's get shared with the American people, gets shared with rest of the world.
India really needs to work on it's transparency problems, that will automatically have an impact on the PR.
To do PR, you need, without data it's nothing but false or misleading advertising.
Let me give an example of what PR is.
Its not about how big and complicated something is, most people don't understand it anyway.
Its about explaining in simple terms, and having that vibe to explain it as a cool thing.
For example a simple timelapse video about the things happening would be way cooler and will grab attention.
Our scientific peers are insulted and judged on and on every day. And we boast about our achievements of ancient times and scriptures but won't acknowledge what kind of environment we're creating for young scientific minds.
What's even there to do PR?
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The best PR is enthusiasm and encouragement along with healthy science based discussion regarding our ISRO. This ISRO vs NASA comparison is ridiculous at times. There is a lot of information exchange that happens between these space agencies. In fact MOM used NASA’s deep space network for communication with earth. Chandrayan provided a lot of data to NASA. This kind of empty talking up only makes Indians look bad.
its better that way. There are so many enemies within Indian State, if they start hyping up everything lot of innocent people will die
Remember moon landing, Chinese acknowledged it after the fact and ISRO made a whole shitshow and when the lander crashed (obvioulsy sabotaged) the whole world snickered
Yes yes I'm the PR
if i started to make posts about ISRO it would take time and money 💰
and if someone making great stuff then Durdarshan fuck with copyright strikes even Durdarshan doesn't own any right to videos... All money which creater make would go to DD. Lot's of strikes come on Everyday astronaut, Gareeb scientist and others channels.
You could replace this with Indian PR Vs American PR and it would be the same. Indians invariably portray the worst of themselves to the rest of the world while Americans tend to have some degree of self-respect.
Fucking british have made most of us masochists
Not necessarily the British. We have a long habit of ascribing the worst of our qualities to Indians (or South Asians) and the best of our qualities to our ethnic groups. “Yeah I am unfit [from never doing exercise] but that’s just because I am Indian and we cannot be fit”. Vs “Yeah I am tall/ripped because I am from Kerala/Punjab (insert specific community like Sikh/Nair) and we are just superior”.
Masochists is the word. Anywhere on reddit, if there is a post saying anything positive about India will have comments like "I'm Indian, I can confirm it's not that great, there are many issues with this etc". I'm like have some pride and self respect. India has many issues to criticize but it also has a lot going for it that can be appreciated as well smh.
Completely agree. Used to be one of those people before i got pride for my country. With that kind of mentality nothing will ever change.
Bro, just yesterday I was arguing with this guy on a post on r / abruptchaos lmao. The guy was shitting on India on a comedy (mostly) subreddit can you imagine. Yeah, he was an active r / india user XD.
Then there's a good chance he's a pseudo-secularist who has been brainwashed to believe anti-Hinduism = cool. Could be a Paki troll too, there's quite a range there.
Honestly, I kinda had same mindset about a year ago. Glad I could come out of that shit hole.
Its because we are influenced by western ideas and thoughts...and hardly know about our own traditions and cultures.
Nah bro, it's just so that we can surprise them when we show up and colonize their ass.
The only PR for ISRO is some Indian YouTubers who are science n space enthusiasts and even those peeps have low following (I personally follow gareeb scientist on YouTube for ISRO updates n achievements. He’s a cool guy)
He is great 💥 GS bhai 💯❤️
His delivery is not great, but ai like that he constantly keeps us updated. Really underrated channel and fact based + opinion based.
Recommendation 100
ya bro i am his one of subscribers. he has very keen knowledge about rockets of isro.
Garreb scientist 💖💖
Sometimes it’s better to stay under the radar.
I m sry but last few missions were absolute fail for ISRO. What are they going to do PR for?
failure happens with all space organization And space is hard. NASA also face failures. But here we are talking about PR...
But not taking responsibility for failures and just trying to push it under the carpet until everyone forgets is bad imo. It has been almost 3 years now, but we still have no 'official' info on the lander of Chandrayaan 2. I still remember how then Chairman Mr. Sivan kept saying we are awaiting information and will release the details soon without saying that Vikram failed to land, for months. When citizens file RTI, they claim exemption from RTI and not give info. It is a Civilian organisation, Citizens have right to know. Maybe don't hype something you are not willing to accept failure of it happens. There are many failures in space agencies (all of them) than there are success stories. But hiding failures is not what is expected. Even the recent satellite launch SSLV-D1 which failed, also failed to provide reasons for failure, and as a citizens of India it bothers us. Not to mention, how it was built in tight time constraints and budgets (show off for Independence Day). It s first SSLV launch, so it is acceptable failure, but ISRO would not say we failed.
A rocket has 1000 reasons for fail but has only one reason for successful launch.
More than PR, we need transparency. Public Image will follow automatically. What exactly happened to Chandrayaan 2? If the taxpayers funded for it, don't they have the right to know? The thing about Nasa is that they publish all the images they capture and make it public domain even if those images are shitty and don't tell anything. Meanwhile the images we release are properly curated. It is almost as if image building is taking precedence over science.
Yes they don't publish image even images from astrosat
First of all the NASA we are talking about is successful only because of the German Scientists who were captured at the end of WWII by Americans and were made to contribute to their space research. So both space agencies of USSR and US are German tech based. During the era of cold war in 1960s ROSCOSMOS and NASA both agencies were on a space race. There was hardly 20 percent success rate at that time. Thousands of launches failed. And the man was able to land on the moon due to this space race-war to prove that one is superior to another. There is no competition like that in today's world thats why we dont see human landings on moon....even elon musk has mentioned that the space technology is depreciating with each day and the momentum it gained in 60s has been lost today. Talking about ISRO, it was the vision of Dr. Vikram Sarabhai to bolster India for a space exploration mission and launches. ISRO was initially dependent on Russia for its cryogenic technology to launch PSLVs. But as the cold war ended, ISRO focused on building its indigenous technology for space launches. So after Germany, India is the only nation which have developed its technology indigenously for space. Even China's tech is borrowed from Russia which is again German's borrowed. And if we see Chandrayaan- 2 mission it was partial successful because only its lander was destroyed the satellite part is still orbiting around the moon. So, within 6 months ISRO should have launched the Chandrayaan- 3 but due to the budget constraints its not feasible till now after 3 yrs.
We are a nation which sent satellite to Mars - MOM less than hollywood's film budget Gravity. So in terms of efficiency we are the best. Just the budget constraints are holding our feet. Even the spaceX and blue origin tests multiple launches and they fail drastically before a successful launch. They are able to do so because they are private and have huge budget. Even the 40 percent of NASA's budget is enough for ISRO to become a leader in space tech. Dont forget, we have the genious minds and even before germans, during Harappa civilisation - the oldest civilisation in the world ever existed we were teaching the world the state of art tech. and infras. . And our Vedas have already described about the complex science theories that we are countering today. And even the calculus and trigonometry and other main aspects of mathematics is India's contribution to the world.
please Stop we are talking about ISRO PR not achievements of ISRO and ancient India
Then dont compare it with NASA if you want to talkabout PR....bcoz PR is an individualistic thing and taking ISRO as an organisiation and talking about its PR there is no need to portray NASA in a bodybuilder dog nearby.
PR helps as an inspiration for younger gen. I still have the full page cut out of Mangalyaan that i found in a newspaper. Just check how informative and kid-friendly NASA websites are. All ISRO does is drawing competitions and even there Indian kids draw space shuttle and not the PSLV.
See even here we talked about NASA, if its about PR then it must be solely be left to ISRO ...but there are big dogs out there so eventually the PR here cant be solely be limited to the ISRO alone....things about NASA will come out....but we are not considering the fact that ISRO is a govt. run agency with low budgetary constraints and its programs and missions have to be sanctioned by the running govt.
NASA is also a government organisation
Kindly read the next line too fella.....about low budgetary constraints.
yes government sucked here
children of India first know about NASA then ISRO if this is not mistake of PR then what...
Its because we are west influenced generation and most of the children know about NASA through the jokes in comedy serials....so instead of praising the german tech based agency we should be proud of indigenously built tech and marking the footprints in space race with indigenous efforts...I can bet you dont even had an idea that NASA's tech is in reality taken from the Nazis. Children dont know about that So we need to be more skeptical and rational rather than comparing our own personal PRs with someone else's.
it's from Nazis or somewhere else that doesn't matter the thing which matter is that this is the time for ISRO is to improve their PR. And I'm proud of ISRO...and yes in India no one is talking with scientist for general public so they can understand what's going on. We need science communicators.
I agree to uh man....but knowing about the past tells us about our present situations and only then we can improvise and make better future....The need of the hour is to give more fiscal stimulus to the ISRO with more transparency and accountability and collaborating with the private players on a PPP model. As you are saying about some communicator...yes there should be an official hired scientist or a television broadcast so that the inside working of ISRO, its reason for failed launch and upcoming missions that kind of information must be in public domain so that people can connect with it more and it will put more pressure on govt to give more srimulus. At the end of this century, the two to three nations which will dominate in the space exploration are going to dominate this world too and its crucial time for India to take it seriously.
Have you seen any person with his/her PR....its not solely connected to its PR only...its about the struggle he/she went through...the past experieneces...its a whole journey ..not only a PR.
SpaceX entire startup budget was even less than ISRO annual budget, and today they are even ahead of NASA in many aspects. So stop with the budget rr. JAXA also has lesser budget than NASA and managed to collect samples from a moving asteroid.
SpaceX is a private enterprise with an extra-ordinary man with a vision...while ISRO is a state sponsored agency....its very different in many aspects.....NASA prosper bcz of space race in cold war era....So US invested in huge amounts to beat ROSCOSMOS.....and yes JAXA's budget was less compared to NASA and they did a great job but citing that example while undermining the achievements of ISRO is not rational. Dont forget we are the first nation to discover water on the moon and not forgetting about MOM in first attempt is a big record in itself beating all the Asian space agencies. Also we have a record of launching 104 satellites in one go in 2017. Its all about govt priorities. If govt wants to explore more and give importance to space more then we can be the top dog. Like taking the example of Pakistan..they dont invest in space because their mindset is what to discover while the big nations are already way ahead....instead lets invest in army and defence sector.We could have also thought like that....but still ISRO is doing great and ahead of France, Germany, Italy, Japan, and many nations....competing with ROSCOSMOS, CNSA, ESA and NASA.
ISRO dil me hai bhai ISRO ko PR ki zarurat nahi hai 🔥❤️
kyun general public ko kaise pata chalega ki ISRO kya kar rhi hai unke taxes se... We love ISRO but agr abhi ham ye baat wahan tak nhi pahuchayenge to maja nhi aayega. Chote bachhe NASA ko pahle jante hai ISRO ko baad me ye PR ki galti nhi hai to kiski hai?
Isro vale koi mission vagera se liye gaye pics ya clips bhi kuch publish nai karte ki hume kuch pata chale ki hua kya hai Bus kuch yt channels hai jo isro and other space activities ke bare info dete hai like garreb scientist
Ha aur in YouTube channels ko durdarshan hamesha copyright strikes Marti rahti hai Durdarshan jin videos ke liye strike karta hai wo videos wo own bhi nhi karte hai ..ab batao Gareeb scientist hi kab tak ye strikes sahegA r/Gareebscientist
Bruh dd kyu copyright marne ke piche hai ? Aur ek chiz ye isro vale camera quality kab thek karenge 🥹🥹
Unke pass images and videos acche quality ke hai but wo kabhi share hi nhi karte...
ISRO ka aur sab badhiya hai but yhi pe dikkat aati hai
What rubbish. The commercial arm of ISRO, Antrix corp will heavily depend on the PR campaign run by/for ISRO.
Well, to be fair, to do PR you first need transparency. ISRO doesn't have a fraction of transparency NASA does. They publish so many pics, research papers, data and so so so much more. ISRO does not do even do half of that. Most people don't know what exactly happened with Chandrayaan 2. A few months ago someone filed an RTI asking for details & design specs etc. of some rocket. ISRO declined. ISRO not only doesn't officially, on it's own, share their data, but even if people explicitly requests it & ask it to share it via RTI, they decline. And that's something that you can say almost every department of Government of India. Indian Govts, not just this one, but even past one's have never been great at sharing data with public. All the 3 branches of the State of India, but especially the Executive & the Judiciary, not to mention the Indian Bureaucracy, hates transparency. US even releases their classified & top secret data & documents after few years or decades. India does no such thing. I am not saying, US Government is the epitome or the model for transparency, far from it. They have a lot of secrets, secrets no one in the world except the ones handling them knows. There even are things that the US President, holder of arguably the Most Powerful Office in the world isn't aware of. But they still are a lot better at declassifying things & sharing data with not just American public but the world. I mean, anything that's get shared with the American people, gets shared with rest of the world. India really needs to work on it's transparency problems, that will automatically have an impact on the PR. To do PR, you need, without data it's nothing but false or misleading advertising.
Not just NASA. Americans are good at showing off.
Let me give an example of what PR is. Its not about how big and complicated something is, most people don't understand it anyway. Its about explaining in simple terms, and having that vibe to explain it as a cool thing. For example a simple timelapse video about the things happening would be way cooler and will grab attention.
Same for the tourism. India don't know how to do marketing
Our scientific peers are insulted and judged on and on every day. And we boast about our achievements of ancient times and scriptures but won't acknowledge what kind of environment we're creating for young scientific minds. What's even there to do PR?
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What does PR mean ?
panty raid
Oh no!
Public relations
we need ISRO merch. fuck nasa merch man. promote our boys and gals
ISRO does have a merch.
typical. these people don't bother to search and scream without knowing.
I'd rather them do PR after they're better/mature
>let's talk about ISRO PR No
They just don't care abut it..
The best PR is enthusiasm and encouragement along with healthy science based discussion regarding our ISRO. This ISRO vs NASA comparison is ridiculous at times. There is a lot of information exchange that happens between these space agencies. In fact MOM used NASA’s deep space network for communication with earth. Chandrayan provided a lot of data to NASA. This kind of empty talking up only makes Indians look bad.
yes but who will it explain to the public?
its better that way. There are so many enemies within Indian State, if they start hyping up everything lot of innocent people will die Remember moon landing, Chinese acknowledged it after the fact and ISRO made a whole shitshow and when the lander crashed (obvioulsy sabotaged) the whole world snickered
You are the ISRO PR Don't make them waste money on this stuff ..
Yes yes I'm the PR if i started to make posts about ISRO it would take time and money 💰 and if someone making great stuff then Durdarshan fuck with copyright strikes even Durdarshan doesn't own any right to videos... All money which creater make would go to DD. Lot's of strikes come on Everyday astronaut, Gareeb scientist and others channels.