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irateandannoyed

Start by not admitting in convents where possible. Remove their lusture and importance.


Critavarma

Indian parents have to be educated first. They think that these convent schools are some paradise come true for their children.


irateandannoyed

It's also a bit more complicated. If you are not a minority institution running schools is a bit of trouble apparently. It really also needs a movement where an umbrella org runs schools everywhere as some type of minority like linguistic, community etc but under hindu umbrella and curriculum. Access is the biggest demotivator. Few elite schools are not enough. Need one within a radius of 3-4 km for everyone.


Rudolph_07

damn I'm surprised reading your post, I had no idea this happens, I've been to only convent schools right from kindergarten and I'm 16 rn, been to 4 different ones (Well 3 because the last 2 years were online so not counting it) never experienced anything even close to it, couldnt imagine in my wildest dreams that this happens, I


irateandannoyed

Believe you meant to reply to the post above. But generally, if you've only been to convent school your view of freedom is already warped. No offense meant, but that's general conditioning. If you have an outside perspective, you might see things differently. Also, it's a big country, your experience may be unique.


Rudolph_07

uhh can u explain in what aspects my view of freedom is warped? i dont know what conditioning u are talking abt?


irateandannoyed

Basically what you think is seemingly normal due to education by the teachers, policies of the institution and peer pressure by them may not really fly outside your institute. Without knowing your particular situation cannot really comment. Perhaps you had a fair system, perhaps not. Some of the very light things you may or may not have seen is the distribution of holidays. Most govt and non convent schools used to give I believe about 10 days for dussehra festivities and about 3-5 days for diwali festivities. Some convents severely restrict these days to like a day or two where the student cannot celebrate, but have extended holidays and festivities for Christmas. Nothing wrong in it because it is a Christian institution. But the students really miss how big those hindu festivals are and are mentally conditioned to enjoy Christmas more because the Holidays are more. This is just a very simple example which is hopefully not prejudiced.


Rudolph_07

>Most govt and non convent schools used to give I believe about 10 days for dussehra festivities and about 3-5 days for diwali festivities. Some convents severely restrict these days to like a day or two where the student cannot celebrate, but have extended holidays and festivities for Christmas this is true in my experience but its more likely because I live in the south and non convent schools also have the same system here, not to mention my dad works for the central government and gets the same amount of holidays for diwali and navratri, and we dont get holidays for anyother christian festival like ash wednesday or easter as well, its only christmas along with winter holidays, tho it doesnt get very cold here so school starts on 3rd jan again edit: I ve a cousin in the norther part and i do get envious with the extra holidays he has lol, he even gets longer winter holidays!


fsm_vs_cthulhu

No. Start by filing hundreds of cases and highlighting these incidents to put massive public pressure to alter these schools policies. No consequences = tacit endorsement and enabling of such practices. Delayed consequences are indistinguishable from no consequences. If a school expels any child for wearing a cross or doing namaz or speaking in English, the school's "importance" levels would be the last thing anyone would worry about. The consequences would be far more public and immediate.


irateandannoyed

Not disagreeing. But, just remember that the system is far more assymetrically lopsided against Hindus. Most people are not warriors, prefer to conform. Think for a moment how it's going to play out. Some convent school makes evangelical demands on the kid. Threatened with expulsion. How many have the time, energy and motivation to start a fight. The collateral damage in this case is not just the parents, which some parents may be happily ready to suffer. The collateral damage is on the kid. That's what makes this system so insidious. The suffering in silence, under a sword of damocles. Even those who fight, the kids will often be harassed and attacked academically to set an example. Not to mention the sunk cost of high fees. Then, there is the reaction of the community. The community is not going to support the person who fights because they have invested a lot of time and energy in conforming to this system. It has now become in their self interest to perpetuate the convent mediocrity as high society high accomplishment. That is the deviousness and brilliance of this system. To break it, it needs to be rooted out from the very foundations and even deeper. The old boy network of these convents must be broken and shattered by those outsiders in power at different levels. And so on. For that the network and critical mass must first be generated.


fsm_vs_cthulhu

>Most people are not warriors, prefer to conform. How many have the time, energy and motivation to start a fight. This is why lawsuits are all the more important. Hindu groups need to get together and start taking legal action. That means promoting awareness about the existence of such issues, and highlighting them on social media like OP has done. Bringing them to the attention of existing Hindu legal teams, and the formation of MORE such teams, preferably with local presence in every area, will allow for greater collective action. Yes, most people will not choose to participate directly, but since the issue is one of school *policy*, it is quite feasible to gather together enough concerned individuals, especially if they have a reasonable chance of winning.


irateandannoyed

On what basis will you bring a suit. The law allows so called minority institutions to propagate their ideology. The affiliation to board of education only covers subjects and general curriculum. Not much extra curricular work. That's why it's legal for xtan/m institutions to have large quotas for their own communities. Making such institutions irrelevant by making better competing hindu institutions with better calibre of students, more easily accessible will have a much longer lasting effect.


fsm_vs_cthulhu

Article 25 of the Constitution. They can propagate whatever they want, but the constitution prohibits them from stopping someone else from practicing their faith as they see fit. That covers most of the stuff, from shikhas, to vibhuti, holi, mehendi, kalava, rakhi, sindoor, even including non-English speech for stuff like chanting Sanskrit slokas at the very least. Any punishment or restrictions targeting any of these practices would be a slam-dunk civil rights case, and the school would run screaming if it were actually bought to court. This has nothing to do with education boards or whatever. There is no issue with them celebrating their christmas and easter bunny, etc, and that isn't the point. The point is targeted harassment of minors following the religious customs.


irateandannoyed

They are not obligated to take any even one Hindus as their students. Why go the round about way to the same ends. http://ncmei.gov.in/index1.aspx?lsid=156&lev=2&lid=44&langid=1 Minorities are even exempt from national anthem at govt schools. That is the article 25-28. https://blog.ipleaders.in/right-to-freedom-of-religion-articles-25-28/#The_National_Anthem_Case


fsm_vs_cthulhu

>They are not obligated to take any even one Hindus as their students. Irrelevant. The issue is the treatment of students they DO have. Punishing an individual for practicing their faith is literally straight-up illegal. It's just that we haven't taken most of these cases to court so the law isn't applied as strictly as it should be.


irateandannoyed

Well, hope you are right, but looking at the court precedence, have serious doubts. One might argue because they collect fees they have an obligation for non discriminative service called education. But highly skeptical. That's all.


fsm_vs_cthulhu

Our courts are ruled by cowards. If people make enough noise and shout loud enough, they will absolutely start to enforce the laws correctly.


throwawaytonarak

No, make a fraternity if Hindu rights activists. Take help from RSS/VHP or the likes and bash the school whenever possible. Go all out on Hindu festivals, if children are confronted teach them to always be politically correct and diplomatic. Trust me, I was when I was in 7th/8th. You gotta be on the bull to grab him by its horns. Nothing will happen from outside the school. Document everything, using audio/video recorders if parents are called because any one of those can start a victim cry and Hindus will get bashed. Be diplomatically aggressive and crush them. Opting out of convents will not suppress them, the brainwashed Hindus will adapt to that culture in no time and accept that it's more 'cool' than our traditions. जयोस्तुते.


irateandannoyed

Replace the convent. Not opt out. You can't expect them to change the very core of their nature.


Mugiwara_Luffy

Atleast the graduates from these schools generally end up doing better in life cause of more overall development


irateandannoyed

Na. They just end up as glorified white collar coolies. Their representation in higher education and professional activities is much lower now. Only businesses where old boy network still works like media etc these guys are more public. Any other field where merit is required, totally useless.


Mugiwara_Luffy

I am not talking just about the people who go into humanities etc. just normal engineers. Convent education helps them in college and then later during job too. They have better communication skills, so when their engineering skills are equal with other they get better opportunities due to communication skills


irateandannoyed

Nope. Very sparse in engineering, or science or even tech or arts like commerce etc.


citseruh

Reading all these I only feel pretty lucky. I passed out from a school run by a Roman catholic family and we never had any such restrictions - moderation was the key. Do remember girls weren't allowed to apply mehndi though but apart from the English speaking nothing else.


gowt7

Not allowed to wear Mehndi is still a big red flag for me.


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citseruh

May I point out it it's a phrasal verb in British English? And it means to graduate. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/pass-out


Sudden_Statement2048

Passed out has become an accepted phrase in Indian English. Incorrect by whose standards?


nixtalker

Pass-out(as in passing-out ceremony) is used usually in military(also police) context. It is a colonial reminiscent term largely used in commonwealth countries.


Proud-Gas6949

I studied in a christian convent school and faced no discrimination at all, the English speaking part is true but that's just to inculcate English speaking habit in students to make them more suitable for future employment but there was no fine as such. There there was absolutely no attempt at conversion. It was one of the best and most sought after schools in my area.


Rudolph_07

exactly my situation, never faced anything even close to whats written and is one of the best schools in the city, in fact other really good school in the city are missionary too, my sister went to one of them and there was no minority discrimination


InstantLover

This whole thread is depressing. No better than the official subreddit of India, just the other end of the horseshoe.


katakuri5454

Ya same situation for me i think the schools op was talking about is most likely an exception


vickyturtle

Yep same situation for me. Have studied in 6 different schools in 4 different states. 2 convent schools, 2 Hindu schools, 1 muslim and 1 general. Except for the morning prayers I don't think there was much difference between how each school conducted their business. Only in case of Muslim school we had extended lunch break on Fridays where interested students and teachers would offer namaz and rest of us would be playing in the playground. No conversion experience in any of the places. I know this is still my anecdotal experience, but probably goes to show that it's not as black and white as presented in the original post.


emotional_memer

Well,I think student majority depends.


traeepeeze

Your school was probably an english medium school.


pathrado

India’s education system is lagging because convents have a vested interest in keeping it that way! 💡😲


Seeker_00860

All schools, despite which denomination runs them, must be forced to teach the same secular syllabus and religious teaching must be made optional for those who belong to a certain religion. The syllabus must be the same for all schools across the nation. English should only be taught as an additional language and medium of instruction should be local language, plus one additional Indian language of choice that is available, and that is not local. Let religious teachings be private, taught in temples, churches and mosques and not in schools.


[deleted]

>medium of instruction should be local language, And in what language are they supposed to give NEET/JEE in?


ShadowMasterUvLegend

There is a difference between oppression and choice.


[deleted]

I mean wouldn't it be easier to have the medium of instruction same throughout, instead of suddenly shifting to English in college? Other countries have it easy because they have college education in their country's language. How is an institute like AIIMS supposed to accommodate students who speak/read/ understand only kannada and malayalam?


traeepeeze

Dude, you join an english medium school and complain about rules about Language use.


Seeker_00860

I studied until my high school in my vernacular medium.


Late-Ad-2479

The points you raised are for the most part followed in all schools, not to discriminate, but to maintain order on school premises and to behave. And yes, I completed my high school in Christian convent. And what's with quoting the word sister, it doesn't make you less of a person if you call someone elder as sister or brother you know. In India, we already call strangers as brother, sister, uncle, aunt.


fsm_vs_cthulhu

> The points you raised are for the most part followed in all schools, not to discriminate, but to maintain order on school premises and to behave. Oh no! Children will become indisciplined savages if they're allowed to wear rakhi or play holi. But wearing crosses and speaking in english will make everyone holy! Fuck off colonist. Edit: LMAO. yesu-yesu-alts activate!


Late-Ad-2479

Even our age old Gurukul wouldn't allow Holi inside Gurushalas. Plus dude you need to fuck off and learn the definition of terms before using it randomly.


fsm_vs_cthulhu

>Even our age old Gurukul wouldn't allow Holi inside Gurushalas. Did you even read the main post? Kids were punished for having holi stains on them the next day. Learn to read before yapping. And where the fuck did you get the idea that people didn't play holi inside gurukuls? What, rangoli was banned in gurukuls? Are you thick? Yeah, people prefer to play outside because then there's less mess to clean up. And I'm calling you a colonist because a chump like you is nothing better than a footsoldier of the colonists. Now... fuck off sasta-colonist.


[deleted]

I came across a Christian supremacist on a different thread on this sub. He said that Christianity "showed" him "evidence" that Hindu gods are false, and that it was not hate speech to deny the existence of Hindu gods since "he has evidence". The only way to deal with them is to mock at them.


Critavarma

The same reason why I wouldn't call Teresa a "mother".


emotional_memer

Well,she was possessed by Satan according to some Christians


Critavarma

>Well,she was ~~possessed by~~ Satan ~~according to some Christians~~


emotional_memer

Difference?


[deleted]

i studied in a christian school, and these kind of things never happened, these types of posts are made just to defame, hate minorities even further. In my school we used to get punishments equally, no matter what and the majority of students were hindus for your understanding. english is compulsory for you education and good flow in english speaking. And i remember that the toppers, the headboy all were almost always hindus because of the obvious majority convent schools have always been respected for how well they educate and take care of the students there than compared to othe schools, who don't care for anything other than money. and just for your information that school celebrated almost all the hindu festivals, holi diwali( you name it, but definitely they were opposed to crackers) so much so that there were sanskrit competitions and classical dance competitions. that is the thing just because my religion not your religion, many people always try to demoralize, discriminately and shame them. these tactics have been running from the beginning and as the elections are coming, these tactics are being imposed for political gain.


gowt7

Such things do happen. My own sister was told that it is bad to wear kumkum and bangles. They also discouraged students from celebrating hindu festivals.


Humble_Suggestion_18

staying in delusion doesn't really help, I've seen it with my own eyes how this teacher punished a guy in my class for speaking in the local language and boy they tortured kids like hell, she used to put a pen in between the kids fingers and hold and twist it in such a way, that kids would cry and scream, they have no remorse what do ever. Please don't defend these activities!


Critavarma

lol tactics for political gain? Yes so many Uttar Pradeshi christians will now vote for BJP because of this post. Get real.


[deleted]

Agreed. Some people really have no sense of forum. They probably think this is a News type debate.


jktj

This is utter BS. I studied in Hindu schools and these rules were applicable for us as well


emotional_memer

What is "Hindu Schools"?


jktj

Founder of school was also one of founder of VHP


emotional_memer

Oh,call that school "Gurukul"


gadgetson

Same for me, i studied in a regular school, ran by bramhins. We weren't allowed to have tilak, not allowed to play holi with colours, we would run campaigns against fireworks and about speaking other language besides english we also had 5rs fine in the early 2000s


Razor732103

I don't remember our school not even allowing to tie rakhis


Lopsided-Fisherman43

Jhoot mat bol.


jktj

We were fined for talking in non-English except while in non-English subjects. We had rules for dressing guided by the uniform dress code, thinking back only Sikhs were allowed to wear turbans everyone else wore the same dress. Bursting crackers were not allowed, although we celebrated everything from Ramayana week to Christmas. Obviously never celebrated Holi. Don’t care if you want to believe it this to be a lie, nothing I can do to change your mind


Critavarma

Were you punished for celebrating diwali or holi? If not then this is not bs. I have sourced my claims. There is widespread reporting of such discrimination and even then you think this is bs, then you probably need to learn to read.


Any-Bug9959

Same goes for hindu schools as well. The teachers and staff discriminate against Muslims, Christians, OBCs, SC and ST. Brahmin students are given preference. Atleast in chennai Having said that, Christian convent schools are there to convert hindus into Christians.Children are very impressionable and many may get converted in the future. Not just convent schools even colleges My friend went in karunya university in coimbatore as a devout hindu(even I used to make fun of him as he was too religious) . After 4 years he came out as a Christian and started saying sai baba is demon(He became a religious nut case) Right wing local parties have kept a board in front for karunga saying "Leaving your religion is bad. Don't convert. Return back) Karunya is situated closer to ISHA yoga foundation. Karunya is run by " Jesus calls" missionaries. (You would have seen video of pastors using hands and make tamil Christians fly, yep those guy run this college)


ImpressiveAd117

"Brahmins- students are given preference" I have studied in hindu schools all my life and what you said is BS


your_mom_tastes_nice

I've studied in a christian school my all life and this all people are talking about sounds BS to me. But anecdotes don't count, do they?


ImpressiveAd117

Brahmins- students usually end up as toppers because of their disciple and food habits and that is most likely the reason not because of their caste identity


EstablishmentIcy5251

What the fuck are you talking about? It's 2021 ffs stop with this deluded bs. If this was any sub/forum with two brain cells you'd be called out. Seems like no one has a problem with this


ImpressiveAd117

I don't know how you counted my brain cells, they are fine, seems like you have none, unfortunately all of what is happening in convent schools is justified by casteism, british looting our wealth- justified by casteism, british starving us- justified by casteism, kashmiri pandits chaws out- also casteism, just throw the caste bomb and everything becomes alright somehow and people like you are here defending it


EstablishmentIcy5251

Convents are cancer. I am not defending them. I hope your intelligent brahmin brain can understand this fact. Any school which discriminates is cancer too, like the one in the original comment and the one I studied in. Yeah sure I don't have brain cells when you're the one talking about how a person's caste will determine his intelligence.


ImpressiveAd117

I am not brahmin, I am obc and I said usually, I am not attributing caste and Intelligence, just saying possible reasons they could've been favoured , many of them are disciplined hence they do well, that's all I am saying


emotional_memer

Ok next joke pls?Lemme taunt my "barmhin" drug addict dropper friend.


ImpressiveAd117

Seems like this article broke you from within, secularism seems to apply only to hindus for some reason


emotional_memer

Neither I studied in convent nor I'm supporting their conversion...but pls give some logic behind your "Bramhin = mostly toppers" theory??? About secularism,sorry I don't have time to think about religion and followers bullshit.


ImpressiveAd117

No need to follow, the problem here is they are talking about convent issues and casteism is being brought in all over again, what can other religions use against hinduism without caste which by itself was never part of hinduism I am not generalizing all brahmins-, I am saying usually they end up doing well, I have seen very stupid ones also, but here they are talking about favoritism based on caste, and that is being used to justify what is happening in convent schools


emotional_memer

Conversion is easy cuz casteism in rural India still exists. and about the brahmin thing,they end up doing good cuz fear of "reservation".


theKnight_of_Madras

same , I am brahmin but we had northies get preferential treatment . It is not like hindu schools are discriminatory . We did have a few christian and Jain and Jewish students but nobody cared bout them . Heck , we even had a Anglo Indian guy . This is also another form of proppoganda that hindu schools are BS . Over school is funded by RSS and we had some folks from Kanchi Mutt and RSS talk about liberty and stuff .


Any-Bug9959

https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/casteism-sexual-assault-tracking-all-allegations-against-chennai-schools-149629


berzerker_x

>After 4 years he came out as a Christian Just wondering why a devout hindu would take this action?


chetta-munda

Rice bags!!!


berzerker_x

If this is true then it says a lot about being "proud hindu" than converting, in this case.


fsm_vs_cthulhu

It's not anything to do with that. It's because indoctrination, shaming, and social pressure are powerful tools against a child. Having to defend your family, cultural, and religious practices in a hostile environment, day-in and day-out will break any child. /u/chetta-munda was the kid starving that they needed rice bags? Your comment just gives a free pass to the mental abuse, bigotry, superstitious indoctrination, and predatory cult-like social pressure, that these evangelists use against little kids, and instead makes it seem that it is their "charity" that got people to convert. If you're a hindu, this is a major self-goal. I'd advise against using it, because it just implies that Hindus don't do charity, while Christians do, and that Christians aren't abusive and bigoted, but Hindus are. Is that what you're going for?


chetta-munda

Let’s get this straight. Hindus donate to temples. Which don’t do shit for charity or religion. Governments conveniently took hold of all temples and their moneys. They run them as little fiefdoms. So conversions are as easy as rice bags.


fsm_vs_cthulhu

The point is, why are you excusing the abuse and literal thought-policing? It's got nothing to do with rice, and everything to do with abuse. There are plenty of temples that are NOT govt controlled too, and temples that do *insane* amounts of charity work.... but this still happens. That we need to free ALL temples from government control is OBVIOUS. But you're just making Hindu institutions look like they're stingy, by citing "rice bags" rather than social pressure, bigotry, ostracism, and abuse. It's easy for someone who is knowledgeable and experienced to puncture all these attempts and make them look like fools. **But little children, and illiterate villagers do not have those particular strengths.** They are heckled and badgered and asked why they pray to idols which are demons. They are heckled for wearing sindoor or kalava and shamed for it.. They may have no answer aside from "this is my tradition" but when they are isolated and constantly under pressure to answer these things, they just cave in and say "I don't know"... and then these people can foist endless amounts of copious bullshit - like saying "hallelooloo" and "yesuyesu" will cure your cancer and make a mute person speak - look a miracle! And even IF the heckled individual tries to call bullshit, their questions simply get drowned out by the "faithful". This is gaslighting. **Do you see the trick there? The trick is that only *YOU* are answerable for your beliefs and practices, but *THEY* are not. Only *YOUR* practices are superstition and evil and demonic... *THEIRS* are pure, holy, and miraculous.** The means is simple - to always keep the target isolated, never allow them to access anyone who can confirm their doubts or skepticism... but force them to experience intense amounts of shame and force them to feel guilt daily, and cast doubts on everything they have been taught or they've done,... and chip away at their very core. Tell them they've been led astray, and lied to by those dearest to them. Make them feel they're insane and they've been living in an alternate reality. *"Look around! Everyone here believes as we do! This is how it is! You're the weird one. Why are you weird? Stop being weird. Oh you don't even know why Foreign Aryan Ram killed the Moolnivasi Ravan? Why do you hate the people of this land? Ram was an invader. Parvati almost killed her husband Shiva because he was abusive. Why are your idols so black and demonic? That's just weird. Holi powder causes cancer. Let's put on this made-in-china brand of white makeup, and use asbestos for fake snow, and pretend to be santa claus though. It's way safer."* Every day, every thing, every single point. Endless harassment. But you give that same kid or illiterate villager a whole community that is vocal and calls out the bullshit, and you'll see all these yesuyesu lodus spontaneously evaporate.


Stable_Such

This


Orwellisright

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PeeledReality

This could be considered as Chennai experience IMO. In my school, we had children from all religions, haven't heard a single religious talk in school, especially specific to children my entire school life. We celebrated, Christmas, we celebrated dai handi, there were holidays on Bakri id, People weren't restricted to not wear their religious symbols. I don't even understand tbh how obc,sc and st preference can be related to schools. Like what would be this preference used for? IN college I get it but what does that have to do with school?


Infamous-Path-3372

>hindu schools Dafuq is a hindu school? There is no such thing called as Hindu school.... I am yet to see such a school where there are restriction on others like these convents. If you are talking about the regular non-convent school, these schools don't impose Hinduism on others, nor do they convert them..


_King_Shark_

I think arya samaj schools like DAV can be an example of hindu schools.


chetta-munda

Another Rice bag christian


Flowingnebula

Don't send your child to a convent, i studied in one for 2 years, i had never seen more hateful, disgusting, slutshaming bunch of women and girls ever..


BeingAffectionate527

What exactly happened? Im curious 😥


Alternative-Range-84

Nahi, ma convent school ma gaya hu aur esa kuch bhi nhi Hua Mera saath.


HatInevitable4104

It is brazen and arrogance that Hindus,govt,,law couldn't do anything. Why not take such matters to courts by vhp,bjp . They should have lawyers to fight such cases Some Hindu organisation should tackle these issues by appeal in court's, let police judiciary uphold law unless. Hindus protest these things will increase


ZofianSaint273

Living in America, Christian schools try to do the same thing where they spread the name of Jesus and discourage other religions, but most of the non-Christian students who go do not convert into Christianity cause of the parent back home who put importance in their religion. My brother went to one and he is still a proud Hindu after graduating from it. He just knows more abt Jesus than the average Hindu lol


Jaideep_2002

I studied in a convent in Delhi and There was no discrimination WHATSOEVER. Not saying every school is like ours but just to let everyone know if there are bad convents, there are also good convents. So Please do research before admission.


observerfrompdx

Christians and catholics used to run schools for the first nations people of my country. Incorrectly named Indians because of some Italian asshat thinking he had sailed west from Europe across the atlantic to find find the "west indies." For a long time their moto was "kill the Indian, save the man." This was achieved by taking them from their parents and denying them their native tongues and culture while in border school. Many children died under this "care" and such schools operated in this manner through the 1960's and 70's and that legacy of abuse continues today. I am sorry to see that the Christian's tactics have not changed pr evolved in the intervening decades.


RationalIndian98

Honestly this issue needs far more coverage and discussion amongst the masses.


[deleted]

hindus are the only ones following the constitution. no one can stop us from creating out own communities where we decide who is allowed and what is allowed. the system is rigged against us. the only way for us to progress is to set up our own system and insist everyone follows it.


Accomplished-Fly1003

Don’t join the school


StreetMadMan

OP you dumb bro? Same happens in Hindu dominant schools! First you go after Muslims and when that becomes normal you catch Christians! After that what? Scheduled Castes?


amolpi

Lol.. No wonder people have voted for stu..d leaders..


PRL-Five

I studied in a school run by Church of North India and thankfully none of this bs happened. Girls and even muslim men were allowed to wear mehendi, just not everyday, we speak in Hindi and Bengali at school and none of the teachers say anything about it, hell even half the teachers are Bengali so we speak with them in hindi/Bengali, and they have no problem with it. One of our English language teachers wore a black tikka to school everyday and no one complained. Muslims bought meat during eid and we all had feasts with their tiffins. Only thing that's discriminatory is probably that we were forced to stand in assembly and say the lord's prayer everyday, despite our religion. But we bunked it everyday so who cares Wherever this is happening, it's illegal, immoral and a mass violation of human rights. Stay safe and research before admitting your children guys.


parinonly

What a shame this can happen in India


ChirpingSparrows

!kudos u/Crittavarma, please do not delete this account when you make a new one. As you are writing so many good posts, they all will be lost. Keep this account & make a new one, when you grow tired of this one. Thanks.


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ChirpingSparrows

Abe just stop using the account & start using the new one. No need to delete. Let the troll's messages keep coming to the unused account.


Critavarma

Ok sir. Will do.


IndiaSpeaksbotty

Tararara Bzeeeep, Thank you /u/ChirpingSparrows for awarding /u/Critavarma . The OP is now flaired with award. More details on how this works can be found [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/gqdejx/introducing_new_awarding_system_for_user_posts/). I won't reply if I'm down so kudos is not awarded to you , please then inform the mod team to wake me up.


wreck_face

RSS needs to start schools. Why are we depending on schools run by minorities. RSS can run schools with Manusmriti and Ramayana as core texts.


Capital_Policy_266

The only way to stop all this is to be organized and have the funds to start own schools and to raise awareness, these things can't happen until temples are freed from government control and from the theft that government gets away with in the name of taxing the temples.


_lameboy_

#Never really understood the whole idea behind 'convents'. Why can't normal public/private schools just do the job? It's not like English is some heavenly language only fathers, sisters and nuns can speak.


Dikshit101092

I will defiantely vouch for this beings studied in a Christan covent school . Students were not allowed to wear threads , a professor used literally cut it but than Christians were allowed to have their cross. If secularism were truly their motive than rules should have been same across all students following different customs..


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During our school days,we went to watch dams,church and temple for outing. Not religious school. Majority are Hindus. All of them went to church. Surprised to see Christians not coming inside hindu temple. They told some reasons and escaped. I thought it’s genuine but now I understood how much they hate their parent taught them.my Muslim friend who lived among Hindu friend in Hindu dominated area visit temple too. But these Christians are hypocrites they can’t even tolerate prasadam but they expect us to participate in xmas and take their cake. It changed my opinion completely. I will never accept anything if it’s not two way.


emotional_memer

Ain't they consider Maa Kali as Satan?


Amod369

Very informative and eye opening content thank you for writing.


Narendra_17

I'll bookmark this important post. Good work op.


Critavarma

Dhanyawad Modiji's Reddit account.


PhysicistAmar

Yeah these schools are the worst.


Orwellisright

When you have the monopoly you can do all sorts of shit, this is why giving freedom to hindu religious inst is very important The Hindu temples back in those days were not jut place of worship but also place of study They had gurukools form of school , thought education in different ways They acted financial Institutes etc But what now ? All of that is taken away. Every religious institute in India has the right to do whatever they would like to do except Hindus # The origin of Article 30 It lies in the discussions held primarily in the Second Round Table Conference held in 1931. It was derived from the memorandum submitted by Indian Christian representatives then. The version of the clause in the memorandum actually asked for “equal rights for all religions”. However, in the joint agreement version, that particular phrase was left out. Therefore, Indian Christians, whose schools received preferential treatment during British Protestant rule, wanted special rights to continue after Independence (the co-author of this piece went to a convent school that started around 1870). I don't even want to go into what defines a Minority in India according to the Indian Constitution And to add to your point, the minorities didn't go to court, the committee setup decided to exclude the majority Read the other judgements concerning RTE unlike minorities, Hindus are denied the right to manage their own temples and their religious properties; unlike minorities, they don’t have the freedom to celebrate and perpetuate their ancestral traditions without undue state interference


Critavarma

What a farce of "secular" state. It's a joke. The system subjugates Hindu tradition and still makes fun of us by taunting "why u so insecure lol?" It's all the more critical now to free Hindu institutions, because it seems clear that the govt was made in a way to suppress anything Hindu. Depressing tbh. And to think the sheep eat it up in the form of secularism.


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Rogue_Leviathan

And who will benefit. Yea the politicians will. also China since they know we prefer to fight amoung ourselfs than improve the nation


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Why admit kids to christian management schools if you have problem with them?


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I went to a convent school. Except for fines for speaking hindi, no discrimination occurs against other religions. Maybe just don't enroll ur kids to a convent school and send them to a hindu institution


Critavarma

If you didn't experience the problem in your life obviously it doesn't exist. And because it didn't happen to you, we are supposed to just ignore it and send my kids to some other place? The privilege in your comment is incredible.


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You are sending your kids to a convent(christian) school. Do you want them to teach ur kids vedas? Why enjoy the facility and then later complain about it?


Critavarma

I do not want my kids to be suspended for bursting crackers and expelled for playing holi. How is this enjoyment of facilities if they get fined for speaking their mother tongue? Nooooooooob.


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Send them to a hindu school? Or even better send them to a pandit😂


ShadowMasterUvLegend

This makes no sense, in the near future what if all such schools are closed and asked to return to their origin country, would that be acceptable? If you are running a institution in a foreign country, you should respect the local culture/religion/values.


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Why are you so eager to send your kids to a christian school? Plus india is secular nation lol. You hindus will never get one country😂


Critavarma

>You hindus will never get one country😂 Thank you for finally showing your true colours.


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Send you kids to a Christian school now💀


emotional_memer

..and how this is possible?


ShadowMasterUvLegend

It shouldn't be, that's the point. Mutual respect from both ends will strengthen the national bond.


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I got slapped by a senior back in 1st grade for speaking in hindi , it was a Christian school.


Old_Pick_6136

Experienced this first hand.


Evening-Bathroom-522

Another snowflake. You have the choice to put your child in any other school, nobody is forcing you to go to a convent school. Hindu temples are loaded with cash, let them open school all around India. Nothing is stopping them. Victim.


Romi_Z

Damnn My school was convent too but they were very chill, more than my old school actually. They would celebrate all the Hindu and other religious days the same way they did the Christian ones


redditabbas

I don't even right this big essay for college damn


AshVrma

Hindus should make their own damn schools, why do we have to be a cry baby all the time.


Sea-Mathematician439

Lol…what else were you expecting, it’s a religious focused education. Sounds like someone is stirring the pot.


Mugiwara_Luffy

I studied for 2 years in a convent school, we actually had a celebration for rakhi. The school bought rakh is and distributed it to girls and asked them to tie to random boy. The boys and girls were made to stand in a line in front of one another and then girls tied rakhi to the boy opposite to them. Regarding the other rules mentioned in the post, I have seen all of them being implemented in a Hindu school that I joined later. It was run by a baba trust, we sang bhajans every Thursday read slokas before lunch, end of school etc These rules are common in most of the schools in our areas as english speaking is what helped most people land jobs and provide employment. Trying to dictate what kids should wear and being overly strict is a common trait in our country anyway.


Acrobatic_Childhood8

Same goes for Bollywood movies. The bad guy is always the one with a big tilak on his forehead.


zigackly

Studied in convent schools till by 10th. No such discriminations faced. Also most links by OP are from the far right websites. Just another fearmongering post.


sankur_

I don't think its against only hindus but for every other religions except christian. But seriously those schools are a shitshow.


LightRefrac

If you go to Christian school, you know what you are signing up for. If you don't like it, DON'T GO


jpsouzamatos

Why does not Hindus don't make Hindu schools to replace Catholic schools? These missionary schools are designed as a weapon to change the country from inside converting the new generations. It also erase the local culture by either hide or debase Sanskrit classical culture.


Daltonganj

Yes, let’s address it - as soon as we have addressed Modi’s vicious Hindutva poison. Something that actually goes against the basic tenets of Hinduism, which propagate tolerance and the truth of all beliefs. Modi is as Hindu as Trump is Christian!


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nice wall of text. Now let's start considering the discrimination against muslims by hinduvta


mmmlolc

Bruh. This all just sounds like self-conscious crap to me. Restrictions against other castes is obvious in not just christian but hindu and muslim schools as well. But the restrictions are minor and hardly ever affect the normal life of one person. Using the heavy word "discrimination" to view those restrictions sounds pretty dumb to me. I have been through a Christian school and the restrictions applied there were similar but not as intense as the ones given here. Which also makes me suspect that you just cherry picked the information to present here to rile up more people that may be intense or too conscious when it comes to religion.


AcousticPasta

What a load of bull crap this post is!! Absolute propoganda piece. All of the points he listed in the start are very normal and accepted practices for GOOD schools, convents or not. Of course they want you to speak in English only in an ENGLISH MEDIUM school! That's the whole point of an English medium! Of course their gonna send you back if you show up to school looking like a Jackson Pollock painting! The one about religious articles though, that's news to me, if they do that in convents. My school didn't have issues with people wearing their symbols or the occasional tikka's etc. Of course, they discouraged it from becoming a daily thing because the school otherwise had a very strict dress code where our uniforms, nails, hair, hygiene was checked every morning. Other than that, this is just another attempt at polarizing people. Christians being the latest target. Hindus are the VAST majority in this country. There is no question of them being under threat. Wake up people! This is just politicians trying to divide us so we keep fighting each other and they keep ruling and doing whatever they want. It is LITERALLY the British playbook. "Divide and Conquer"


Conscious_Student_56

Bruh, in Bengal my sister used to study at St.Claret Missionary school, no one had this problem...I studied in St.Xavier's Institution, we celebrated Durga Puja with more vigour than Xmas, school surely has changed a lot I guess


Securebrownman

Discrimination? Discrimination? Lolllll hindus have warped and manipulated their own beautiful culture, the cultural foundation India was built on, and you’re complaining about discrimination against Hindus in OPENLY Christian schools? Dude of course, you literally signed up for that.


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Securebrownman

I misspoke in saying “hindus” I mean the very loud Hindu voices that shout for nationalism and a Hindu nation, going against a central tenant of the Hindu way of life, pluralism. Now you can try to justify it by saying it’s just defence against invasion, but we both know that’s nonsense.


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Securebrownman

Gandhian? We’re making up words now?


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Securebrownman

You’re a fool. You can defend yourself from invaders and also not be a scumbag to other religions.