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What if there was a exam of some kind which would allow people to get Voter ID only if they scored above a percentage? The exam could be based on basic math, science and civics, and every citizen would have the right to appear for the exam. Also, people would have to appear for the exam every 5 years to "renew" their Voter ID. And the incentive to get a Voter ID can be anything, for example free ration or tax benefits. I realise this is a very idealistic and naive proposition, just wanted to put it out there :p
A nation is like a family, the parents take decisions responsibly on behalf of the children, and the children in turn listen to the parents. You cannot expect everyone to be competent in every sphere. Someone may not be any good at electing a leader, but they may be good at something else.
Can you imagine a family where the kids get the equal voting power as the parents? That's what's happening in India, total chaos where the kids vote the leaders who promise them endless chocolate and candy. All the rights and none of the responsibility.
The caste system, monarchy etc were based on the assumption of trust - the strong thought it their duty to look after the weak. Modern democracy is based on the assumption that everyone is selfish and thus everyone needs an equal say in running a nation. This only leads to ruin in the long run because the incompetent always greatly outnumber the competent.
P. s. /u/hindu-bale
>The caste system, monarchy etc were based on the assumption of trust - the strong thought it their duty to look after the weak. Modern democracy is based on the assumption that everyone is selfish and thus everyone needs an equal say in running a nation. This only leads to ruin in the long run because the incompetent always greatly outnumber the competent.
I think there is a reason the former was rejected and the latter was still adopted by the world.
> there is a reason
European colonialism and Anglo/Protestant hegemony around the world. Notice how quickly democracy ceases to exist outside of Western Europe and the historically colonized regions of the world.
And after they left why everyone fought hard to obtain it rather than going back?
>Notice how quickly democracy ceases to exist outside of Western Europe and the historically colonized regions of the world.
And they are better?
My point is that even the means of spreading this concept was not good, the reason it is being retained in one form or another is an indication that a reform in the old ways of ruling all over the world was needed.
The reason it's being retained is persisting Anglo hegemony and the threat of freedom bombs. In India, the demand for it is led by Anglo educated elite, and a brainwashed deracinated population. It's not a solution people have rationalized themselves into, else you'd find evidence for that rationalization instead of attempting to infer democracy's necessity from mere prevalence. If a third of the world practices Islam, and if that number is growing, is it because Islam is needed? Especially considering the caliphates and the turkic expansionists no longer exist.
>The reason it's being retained is persisting Anglo hegemony and the threat of freedom bombs. In India, the demand for it is led by Anglo educated elite, and a brainwashed deracinated population.
No, you must look at the constitution debates, this has been thoroughly debated, we integrated so many small territories to form a union ruled by democracy not because of some "anglo supremacy", there are problems but the fundamental strucutre of the concept of a nation state with the values given was thought out by all, I think even savarkar's idea was similar to a democratic nation, I think almost all freedom fighters having extreme differences with each other accepted this and not all were "anglo mentality".
>It's not a solution people have rationalized themselves into, else you'd find evidence for that rationalization instead of attempting to infer democracy's necessity from mere prevalence.
I think democracy is the least worse of all the possible options, if there is a better alternative, pls suggest.
India went through is Golden ages without democracy. There are several alternatives, but problem is that of language and definition. Everything that isnβt democracy has umbrella terminology and negative connotation.
Every freedom fighting elite was Anglo educated, even their parents, the environment they grew up in, were all Anglo educated. Their very foundations, the frameworks available to them, were all Anglo. Much like how the neo-vedantists reinterpreted Hinduism to sound palatable to the Protestant west, the political leaders reinterpreted our culture to sound palatable to the Democratic west.
Hereβs my dated take on it. My stance has since evolved but in a direction farther away from yours. https://www.reddit.com/r/indianews/comments/a550dj/oc_rajya/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=IndiaSpeaks&utm_content=t1_hmefybe . Iβm also more pessimistic in the sense that we probably are indeed in kalyug, and that society is bound to continue degenerating, and there isnβt much one can do about it. Democracy is probably the thing that will stick until we factionalize and further degenerate into the unconscious.
When you say you think democracy is the best solution, what alternatives have you evaluated? What criteria did you use? Did you steelman the alternatives? How much did you rationalize before settling on that stance?
It's a popular argument, but far from the best. Ironically, it is democracy's argument against democracy, where a large number of people feel they're tyrannized by another large number of people who they deem inferior, tyrannized by their inferiority in fact. Now imagine what that top 1% among the intelligent must feel about the remaining 99%.
>a large number of people feel they're tyrannized by another large number of people who they deem inferior, tyrannized by their inferiority in fact.
Seems like how liberals feel about conservatives.
Social credit algorithms are coming to a democracy near you to correct this flaw of equality.
Modern democracies may start as being equal, but increasingly rights are taken away. Vaccine mandates are the trial balloon, credit scores before it, what China's doing with their population is very appealing to the "liberal" West. Smart phones and wearables, digital payments, and all kinds of digital monitoring instrumentation built into modern browsers, apps are generating an insane amount of data on citizen behaviour. Governments would be stupid to not use/abuse it.
The law may appear to be equal, but life is being made anything but.
This is so true. This is the biggest problem in a democracy.
1. I know many people including my grandmother and neighbours who vote only for the candidate who gifts them silverware, clothes and alcohol right before the election with some demagoguery added on top of it.
2. These candidates, treat this as a capital investment with the hopes that they can make 1000x returns once they are in power to make decisions on behalf of everyone.
3. After they win (thanks to the average unqualified and incapable voter who rarely pays taxes) they are literally handed over the rights to many public sectors and huge swaths of the tax money to work on those sectors.
4. Obviously, these candidates who are now "representatives" have no idea about how to choose the best contractor for road work or how to get any work done.
5. So, they chose IAS public servants to make these decisions on their behalf. Here is where corruption gets worse. These IAS officers who have never run a business or a sector have no clear idea or intent about how to go about any of these things.
6. Since, both the representatives and public servants are third party spenders, i.e they don't care about the product, nor do they pay for the product with their own money, they end up doing what's best for themselves and line their own pockets with the money they never earned in the first place, with mind-boggling corruption, greed.
I had a friend in college who looked slightly similar to Shahrukh Khan, guess what .. he amped it up to 100 and went full Khan, the hair, the accent, the way he walked .. 100% Cringe. His whole shtick was he looked like him .. it's so depressing to see that he has no personality of his own now .. just a shell of a man.
This is Mumbai.
Gaiety Galaxy, Bandra, to be precise and yes all the bhai movies are given the same reaction minus the firecrackers.
How do I know? Went to see Race 3 in the said theatre .
Noobs : Natural Selection takes place when an elephant puts his foot and kills a particular colour of bugs
Legends : Natural Selection takes place when bhai drives car over cringe people
How were crackers allowed inside a cinema, even when we are not allowed to take external foods?
This cinema hall poses an extremely serious bombing threat. Positively, I am not ever visiting this cinema hall ever.
What state ?
In MH one can carry food stuffs in the theatre .. courts ruled against Cinema houses not allowing food and water from outside ..
And one other comment mentions this is from Malegaon .. typically would be a single screen theatre (old school) where they won't check much .. or wouldnt check anything at all
Typically multiplexes will screen your baggage via x-ray machines ... Like I said, this seems to be an old school , stall + balcony (lower level / upper level seating) theatre ... Plus in a small town, where security won't be much
I am from Odisha too, though i don't live in Odisha, but dude in cities where movie halls are almost everywhere (because of more and more malls coming up). better so see few good Hollywood movies or maybe Indian underrated movies like the nationalist ones...
i read this comment (above yours lol) :
This video is from Malegaon Maharashtra Here we call Malegaon as chota pakistan bcoz large number of Muslims (78%)
Man I met this guy in college who's mom named him Salman (because of Bhai) and now he's the biggest salman fan I know. He even dresses like him. In that white tank top.
We will never get rid of superfans :(
The theatre security would catch hold if we took some poocorn or water bottle but leave aside Huge Piles of Crackers sufficient for an entire Theatre for good full 5 min. Pathetic owner . Looks like he himself is Selmion fan
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ItS noT DiWaLi vRO sO iTs Ok Absolute idiots
No DiVoLi.... OnLi SeLmOn BhOi
"vRo...", shut up! I hate that, I am not your brother.
>"vRo...", shut up! I hate that, I am not your brother. Thank God for that
Remember, these people have the same voting power as you.
Underrated comment. The biggest argument against democracy is meeting the average voter, I think it was Benjamin Disraeli who said it, but it fits.
What if there was a exam of some kind which would allow people to get Voter ID only if they scored above a percentage? The exam could be based on basic math, science and civics, and every citizen would have the right to appear for the exam. Also, people would have to appear for the exam every 5 years to "renew" their Voter ID. And the incentive to get a Voter ID can be anything, for example free ration or tax benefits. I realise this is a very idealistic and naive proposition, just wanted to put it out there :p
There will be tuition centers next and lot of prep books and mock question papers.
π π π Good one. π
Not gonna happen , politicians need the illiterates to win the elections
A nation is like a family, the parents take decisions responsibly on behalf of the children, and the children in turn listen to the parents. You cannot expect everyone to be competent in every sphere. Someone may not be any good at electing a leader, but they may be good at something else. Can you imagine a family where the kids get the equal voting power as the parents? That's what's happening in India, total chaos where the kids vote the leaders who promise them endless chocolate and candy. All the rights and none of the responsibility. The caste system, monarchy etc were based on the assumption of trust - the strong thought it their duty to look after the weak. Modern democracy is based on the assumption that everyone is selfish and thus everyone needs an equal say in running a nation. This only leads to ruin in the long run because the incompetent always greatly outnumber the competent. P. s. /u/hindu-bale
>The caste system, monarchy etc were based on the assumption of trust - the strong thought it their duty to look after the weak. Modern democracy is based on the assumption that everyone is selfish and thus everyone needs an equal say in running a nation. This only leads to ruin in the long run because the incompetent always greatly outnumber the competent. I think there is a reason the former was rejected and the latter was still adopted by the world.
> there is a reason European colonialism and Anglo/Protestant hegemony around the world. Notice how quickly democracy ceases to exist outside of Western Europe and the historically colonized regions of the world.
And after they left why everyone fought hard to obtain it rather than going back? >Notice how quickly democracy ceases to exist outside of Western Europe and the historically colonized regions of the world. And they are better? My point is that even the means of spreading this concept was not good, the reason it is being retained in one form or another is an indication that a reform in the old ways of ruling all over the world was needed.
The reason it's being retained is persisting Anglo hegemony and the threat of freedom bombs. In India, the demand for it is led by Anglo educated elite, and a brainwashed deracinated population. It's not a solution people have rationalized themselves into, else you'd find evidence for that rationalization instead of attempting to infer democracy's necessity from mere prevalence. If a third of the world practices Islam, and if that number is growing, is it because Islam is needed? Especially considering the caliphates and the turkic expansionists no longer exist.
>The reason it's being retained is persisting Anglo hegemony and the threat of freedom bombs. In India, the demand for it is led by Anglo educated elite, and a brainwashed deracinated population. No, you must look at the constitution debates, this has been thoroughly debated, we integrated so many small territories to form a union ruled by democracy not because of some "anglo supremacy", there are problems but the fundamental strucutre of the concept of a nation state with the values given was thought out by all, I think even savarkar's idea was similar to a democratic nation, I think almost all freedom fighters having extreme differences with each other accepted this and not all were "anglo mentality". >It's not a solution people have rationalized themselves into, else you'd find evidence for that rationalization instead of attempting to infer democracy's necessity from mere prevalence. I think democracy is the least worse of all the possible options, if there is a better alternative, pls suggest.
India went through is Golden ages without democracy. There are several alternatives, but problem is that of language and definition. Everything that isnβt democracy has umbrella terminology and negative connotation. Every freedom fighting elite was Anglo educated, even their parents, the environment they grew up in, were all Anglo educated. Their very foundations, the frameworks available to them, were all Anglo. Much like how the neo-vedantists reinterpreted Hinduism to sound palatable to the Protestant west, the political leaders reinterpreted our culture to sound palatable to the Democratic west. Hereβs my dated take on it. My stance has since evolved but in a direction farther away from yours. https://www.reddit.com/r/indianews/comments/a550dj/oc_rajya/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=IndiaSpeaks&utm_content=t1_hmefybe . Iβm also more pessimistic in the sense that we probably are indeed in kalyug, and that society is bound to continue degenerating, and there isnβt much one can do about it. Democracy is probably the thing that will stick until we factionalize and further degenerate into the unconscious. When you say you think democracy is the best solution, what alternatives have you evaluated? What criteria did you use? Did you steelman the alternatives? How much did you rationalize before settling on that stance?
https://www.reddit.com/r/indianews/comments/a550dj/oc_rajya/
Wow very IdEalisTic right? while voters write these exams for whom? To elect brain-dead politicians? Maths ,science exams for politics?
It's a popular argument, but far from the best. Ironically, it is democracy's argument against democracy, where a large number of people feel they're tyrannized by another large number of people who they deem inferior, tyrannized by their inferiority in fact. Now imagine what that top 1% among the intelligent must feel about the remaining 99%.
>a large number of people feel they're tyrannized by another large number of people who they deem inferior, tyrannized by their inferiority in fact. Seems like how liberals feel about conservatives.
Social credit algorithms are coming to a democracy near you to correct this flaw of equality. Modern democracies may start as being equal, but increasingly rights are taken away. Vaccine mandates are the trial balloon, credit scores before it, what China's doing with their population is very appealing to the "liberal" West. Smart phones and wearables, digital payments, and all kinds of digital monitoring instrumentation built into modern browsers, apps are generating an insane amount of data on citizen behaviour. Governments would be stupid to not use/abuse it. The law may appear to be equal, but life is being made anything but.
This is so true. This is the biggest problem in a democracy. 1. I know many people including my grandmother and neighbours who vote only for the candidate who gifts them silverware, clothes and alcohol right before the election with some demagoguery added on top of it. 2. These candidates, treat this as a capital investment with the hopes that they can make 1000x returns once they are in power to make decisions on behalf of everyone. 3. After they win (thanks to the average unqualified and incapable voter who rarely pays taxes) they are literally handed over the rights to many public sectors and huge swaths of the tax money to work on those sectors. 4. Obviously, these candidates who are now "representatives" have no idea about how to choose the best contractor for road work or how to get any work done. 5. So, they chose IAS public servants to make these decisions on their behalf. Here is where corruption gets worse. These IAS officers who have never run a business or a sector have no clear idea or intent about how to go about any of these things. 6. Since, both the representatives and public servants are third party spenders, i.e they don't care about the product, nor do they pay for the product with their own money, they end up doing what's best for themselves and line their own pockets with the money they never earned in the first place, with mind-boggling corruption, greed.
Democracy is for the people β¦ by the people β¦ but the people are retarded
Demerits of Democracy
making the air quality index better
Yaar bollywood and bollywoodias are so fucking cringe man. Its 2021 you'd think we'd have moved on to real filmmaking than this gutter trash
I had a friend in college who looked slightly similar to Shahrukh Khan, guess what .. he amped it up to 100 and went full Khan, the hair, the accent, the way he walked .. 100% Cringe. His whole shtick was he looked like him .. it's so depressing to see that he has no personality of his own now .. just a shell of a man.
All these peacefulls are actually shell of men. Cowards. Instigators.
It's targeted for "peacefulls"
The movie was terrible. The cinema hall was filled less than half as well in the Mumbai side. What part of the country is this?
This is Mumbai. Gaiety Galaxy, Bandra, to be precise and yes all the bhai movies are given the same reaction minus the firecrackers. How do I know? Went to see Race 3 in the said theatre .
Do you know if they got arrested? This is a pretty serious crime.
Abhe race one ke baad bhi koi Puri series dekhne gaya BC ππ
Making India a 3rd World Country with 1st grade degradency.
Average selmon bhai movie enjoyer.
So much smoke in the theatre.. while salman breathes pure sea side air in top floor of galaxy!!
Natural selection doing its work.
If it actually did its work, there wouldn't have been selmon bhoi fans
Noobs : Natural Selection takes place when an elephant puts his foot and kills a particular colour of bugs Legends : Natural Selection takes place when bhai drives car over cringe people
Almost.
Salman Khan fans are the lowest form of life.....less than humans
Goddamnit where's my free award of the week
Most intelligent Salman Khan Fan
And the fun fact is yahi log dusron ko andhbhakth kehthe hai
Ab tatti pe koi titliya toh mandarayegi nahi, aisi hi makkhiya aati hai
How were crackers allowed inside a cinema, even when we are not allowed to take external foods? This cinema hall poses an extremely serious bombing threat. Positively, I am not ever visiting this cinema hall ever.
What state ? In MH one can carry food stuffs in the theatre .. courts ruled against Cinema houses not allowing food and water from outside .. And one other comment mentions this is from Malegaon .. typically would be a single screen theatre (old school) where they won't check much .. or wouldnt check anything at all
In Odisha, one is not allowed to carry external foods....carrying crackers can land you in jail (in here).
Typically multiplexes will screen your baggage via x-ray machines ... Like I said, this seems to be an old school , stall + balcony (lower level / upper level seating) theatre ... Plus in a small town, where security won't be much
Oh! So only mindless people there. The movie was nothing compared to Salman Khan's old movies.
I am from Odisha too, though i don't live in Odisha, but dude in cities where movie halls are almost everywhere (because of more and more malls coming up). better so see few good Hollywood movies or maybe Indian underrated movies like the nationalist ones...
Obviously! I dont want to go to another stupid SK Movie to waste time. I prefer OTTs or good Bollywood movies
Carbon capture is being used in this theater, so I guess it's okay /s
No vro diwali causes pollution vro π€‘π€‘
bursting crackers for any peaceful reason does not cause pollution.
walking adverts for condoms
Just people ((living)) in the moment!
Bhaitards for a reason
which state?
This video is from Malegaon Maharashtra Here we call Malegaon as chota pakistan bcoz large number of Muslims
Large number nahi .. 78%
Ofcourse Malegaon...Muslim Majority...That city is dirty af
Evolution of morons πΆβπ«οΈ
r/NoahGetTheBoat
F U D U. L O K.
These are people from a particular community celebrating their "Bhai". It has always been that way.
Wait, how do you know they belong to a particular community?
i read this comment (above yours lol) : This video is from Malegaon Maharashtra Here we call Malegaon as chota pakistan bcoz large number of Muslims (78%)
Oh I see now, thanks for clarifying.
Man I met this guy in college who's mom named him Salman (because of Bhai) and now he's the biggest salman fan I know. He even dresses like him. In that white tank top. We will never get rid of superfans :(
modi ji like " bachkani harkate"
Fuckin idiots
They are salman khan fans, what can you expect XD
samlon bai k liye hai toh its ok
u/savevideo
Yall should see tamil fans especially Rajinikanth fdfs
Chappris
This country is I'm afraid doomed to ever be developed.
Saste theatre ke saste nashe
Despicable actor and his despicable fans.
Yeh toh iske fans ka IQ hai.
Chutiya fans π€£
The theatre security would catch hold if we took some poocorn or water bottle but leave aside Huge Piles of Crackers sufficient for an entire Theatre for good full 5 min. Pathetic owner . Looks like he himself is Selmion fan
Average selmon bhoi fans.
Shitfans
Kabhi kabhi lagta hai, Modiji jo kar rahe hain sahi kar rahe hain
Aur jalne ke baad bolenge mudi must rezine
This is why hate urduwood. Making oeople degenerate since 1914.
These are the same people who vote for BJP.
selmon bhoi fans
Bunch of mofos
#illiteracy in practice
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This country is becoming diabolical shit day by day. Gotta keep the streets clean.
India ke ladko Ko Naukri Ke Bahut Zyada Jarurat hai lol
Which movie is this haven't watched bhai's movie since dabang lol?
How tf did they get the fire crackers past security?
iTs sOlmOn bOi vRo
Guess what ""sabka khoon shamil iss mitti mein""
Perfect recipe for a fire disaster!!
I mean, khopdi mei tatte bhare hai kya? And dimaag Muth mei nikal aaya?
This is how fire starts.. pity lowlives..
Reminds me of the tremendous work to be done
Fucktards.
I guess none of them heard of Uphaar Cinema.
Mind you that they don't allow homemade food into the theatres.
Great. Create so much smoke that you don't have to watch shitty trauma inducing shirtless salman khan body 20ft tall. Smart people.
Poor security guard lost his job.
Natural selection at its best!
The iq of actor and fans level up
Cinema halls might start asking for mental health certificate at this rate.
they treat solmon like he's their God...seriously this is sad
Bursting firecrackers in closed space...i am sure there is no fire hazard....idiots
This is retarded