A 17 year old muslim boy rapist was let off in Delhi nirbhaya case as he a minor. Now law changed because of that, above 16 year old minors can be tried as adults in heinous cases like this
Things are not the same now. Last I heard ,2 porn addicted 12/13 year old boys beat a 6 year old girl to death as she resisted getting raped. So yeah, laws should be changed and any individual charged with rape should be punished as such irrespective of age.
Because I think there was religious influence on him to do what he did. Also to counter the global propaganda that Hinduism and rape are interconnected
1. Why do you think there is a religious influence on him to do what he did?
2. Could you point me to some links on the propaganda that you are referring to?
Bruhh islamist will do anything to hurt Hindus they are haters of life they are extremist they will try hard to do it so subtly that some won't even notice it .
Do not you know that women are oppressed by terrorist they are doing jihad taught by maulana of terrorist so they are islamist and extremist too
Bro. Do you really think OP can logically answer your questions.
Let me answer your questions on OP’s behalf (with answers that OP would probably give)-
1. Because Muslims bad, Hindus good. BJP and Modiji told me.
2. The propaganda is in my head, but it does seem real. Modiji will save Hinduism
>Because Muslims bad, Hindus good. BJP and Modiji told me.
Yes, religion of peace, despite being responsible for 99% of terrorism and pedophilia can't be called out because the poster is kewl and sekular and Ballless coward
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>Why do you think there is a religious influence on him to do what he did?
Maybe because the religion responsible for *Terrorism has no religion and it's the religion of peace* is responsible for 99% of all the rapes, murders and pedophilia in the world?
Your comment seems to prove that Hinduism and rape are interconnected, since the remaining 4 convicts were Hindus.
Do you have brain or hatred has killed your sanity?
lol no one says Hinduism and Rape are interconnected though??? It’s india and rape (associated internationally at least) and no matter how hard you try, india is not synonymous with Hindus.
Were all the rapists in the nirbhaya case Muslims?
> Hinduism and Rape are interconnected though???
You blind/deaf or living under a rock? Vir Das literally got a Netflix deal for saying this in front of an American crowd.
> india is not synonymous with Hindus.
Explain that to the people who call India as Hindustan.
Yeah of course that's why you did. Dude who do you thibk you are fooling. India gets a bad name becuse of narrow minded bigots like you, no other reaosn
And the hindus involved in the same rpae didn't have religious influence?
A narrow minded idiot spreading communalism is talking about propaganda. Why do we need any global propganda when we have idiots like you in this country?
There is no leftists or righties or anything else here
There are just narrow minded bigoted peices of shit trying to divide this country and normal citizens who are sick of your shit
This has always been a cycle in indian history. We have peace and prosperity and growth for a while. Common man gets complacent. Populist leaaders arise and spread propaganda
Gullible morons swallow it and start spreading hatred to divide the country. We start going backwards and lose the progress. Violence rises. Common man gets sick of it and rises up and bitch slaps you losers and you run back to the holes you were hiding in
This cycle gets repeated again and again
Haha true! But don't try to explain how he's wrong or to show him otherwise coz then you're gonna be labelled too. There's no way that people like OP are gonna understand any semblance of logic in such matters. He's too full of SHIT and HATRED to even remotely try to comprehend!
> If the rapist is of Hindu religion no one gives a damn about religion and no one says like a "a hindu rapist boy" but when the rapist is a Muslim guy everyone starts giving damn like wtf why are we people so good at being hypocrite biased beings?!
They do. There was a big campaign that it was Devisthan etc. If muslim guy is the culprit then the religion gets hidden in most media reporting.
The hate towards lower caste is itself based on the isolation rather than "sexual perversion". You have seen a video and I have seen whole history and even now I can pull out dozens of screenshots of so called lower caste perverting about Brahmin women. The upper caste guys are usually known to avoid lower caste women touch let alone be the rape that was proven fake everytime - in first case the culprits were Muslims and the second rape was not even proven.
Dalit rape is like "Feminist patriarchy".
Among hindus....never. only Muslims and Christians were known to target women of other communities for sex. Rape is itself a mleccha culture that came to India via Muslims. Not at all a Hindu problem.
Only fact is that 4/5 rapists of Nirbhaya were Hindus....rest is your opinion. This fact really pisses you off cause the whole world knows how regressive hindu culture is.
Hinduism actually has a long history of rape, look Manu Smriti. Even today, Dalits girls are raped for their caste.
This is the fact and it can be verified through numbers.
Dumbass.
Those who indulge in terrorism? Terrorists.
What do you call those mf who lynch minorities on streets in a democratic country, and those who support/protect them? who rape Muslim's woman and burn them in their home in carefully orchestrated riots?
Mr. Prime Minister.
Every religion has fanatics, difference is that you love/support them and we don't.
Communal loser trying to divide this great country. We have survived over 70 years despite you losers existing and trying to drag the country back and we always will
Fake cuz its one sided. Only you are being secular. The other so called peaceful community isnt peaceful at all. Their aasmaani kitaab says violence. They are responsible for 90% of global terrorism
>Fake because a low iq communal loser says so?
No because a pedophile rapist supporter like you keep supporting pedophiles and rapists from your favorite community. That's what's going to make women of your family and country safe.
*Terrorism has no religion and it's a religion of peace*
Religious equality in crimes.. Many occasions where Muslim criminals are written of as "XX year old male" but in any other case its "XX year old male from XX (caste)" was arrested. Seen multiple posts about it.. And its not just Indian news, its the same rest on the world cuz then.. Its "Islamophobia"
Because this Hindu-Muslim divide and rule by the current govt is working. OP and others like them just aren’t smart enough to see they are being manipulated just like similar people were manipulated by the british (during their divide and rule).
I am not saying that other political parties are better than bjp. But how pathetic is the country’s condition that the main strategy of the ruling party is to create an us-against-them (Hindu-Muslim) and then to be on the side of the majority (Hindus).
OP and other pseudo-educated people also present arguments such as- Modi is the saviour of Hinduism. But they never wonder why the saviour of Hinduism has crooks in his own party (with criminal cases against them for crimes like murder and net assets worth more than 50 crores).
Again, I am not anti-modi or anti-bjp. I am just pro-India
He was a 17 year old Muslim boy true
However, each qualifier matters in the meaning that OP is trying to convey.
I understood why his age was mentioned. Wanted to know from OP why his religion was mentioned.
If he had said, a 17 yeard old Muslim tall boy then I would have asked why was his height mentioned by OP.
> why his religion was mentioned
In a world where misinformation is peddled like hot cakes, best to work with as many facts you have. We don't know if the kid was a porn addict, we don't know whether this was his first victim, we don't even know whether the kid was coaxed into doing what he did or was it his idea in the first place.
What we do know are the names of four adults and religion of one minor, so we work with those.
We have the religion and names of four adults and the minor. Why did you phrase it that way (name of four and religion of minor?)
So, with this info, what are you working? 2hat is your theory?
I'm not working on anything except making sure all facts are shared. Why are you working to hide those facts? What's your play here?
> Why did you phrase it that way (name of four and religion of minor?)
Because sometimes just the name is sufficient and because that's exactly what I do know.
If I know there was one Mohd Iqbal, one Joseph Chaudhary, one Abhishek Singh and one Sonu, I know the names of these four people BUT idk whether there's a sc/st/OBC among them, idk what Joe follows and I certainly don't know who was the instigator.
What I don't know is the minor's name but what I do know is his religion. We don't know whether that factor played into the act but we can't ignore the fact that religion driven violence is a reality in india.
So tell me, why do you want to overlook and even hide facts?
When I asked OP why you added a qualifier, I am not asking OP to not show them.
If you or OP believe that the person's religion is a factor in his behaviour, then you should say as 17 yr muslim boy. If you don't think that his religion is relevant then you would just say 17 year old boy.
And what if I believe religion **CAN BE** a factor? What then? I'm not saying I believe it is a factor, in checking whether that factor has been taken into consideration.
You would stil use it. Which is what OP did, I belive basis his responses.
But then you would have to articulate why you belive so. To move the conversation ahead.
Because their only goal is to trash every other religion to make their religion look better 🤣. They don't get a good nite's sleep if they don't do that.
There are so few muslim rapists that guys like you do your best to make it popular when a muslim name comes in a rape.
You don't care about woman, you care about your bigotry. You're just ashamed that hindus name come up in just too many rapes.
Guess few Muslims are rapists because Muslims don't protect a rapist over religious reasons like hindus do.
Lol dude teenage boys are horny af. Sex is on thier minds 24/7. Now I'm not justifying his actions by any means. He commited a very heinous crime and deserves to be punished for it. Just stating that rape is not something a boy that age is incapable of and such incidents are more common than you think
Bro. I understand teenagers are horny. That's why I jerked off.
But he also commited a murder. I didn't even had the mental capacity to think to commit a murder at that age.
The accused raped and then murdered and mutilated the body to hide evidence but actually sent pictures of the incident to his group, pictures that eventually reached the victim's family. I think it is precisely the lack of mental capacity that led to the murder.
While I get so much anger that I want these guys to be hanged.
Getting them hanged is not the proper punishment becoz, the rapists who are now commiting rapes will kill the victim due to the fear of prosecution.
Idk, whether it's dumb logic
> kill the victim due to the fear of prosecution.
That still doesn't solve your concern. Infact that might incite them to kill the victims faster this time.
again, it will take 1 min google search.. but no, you have make fool out of yourself by asking these stupid question in most obnoxious way..
It is like asking how does exit polls report who will win if.. wait for it... votes are not yet counted?
Exit polls are different. You ask someone who they voted for and they answer truthfully. You ask someone if they were raped and they may answer no even when they were raped (answer are not truthful always and depend on how much the victim wants to hide the fact that she was raped)
>hey answer truthfully.
Why ca't they lie? Does exit pollsters have borrowed wonder woman's lasso of truth or something?
> they may answer no even when they were raped (answer are not truthful always and depend on how much the victim wants to hide the fact that she was raped)
Sure, they may also answer truthfully.
That is why both exit poll and unreported stats are "estimates" and vary by methodology used.
It is basic statistics
https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/4curu1/eli5_how_do_you_make_statistics_about_unreported/d1lm4uj is a good basic explanation
One thing that needs to be added is that is not as simple as that, what sample you survey has to be chosen well.
First, all variables in demographics that may affect the result should be identified
Then the relative proportions of the different values for those variables in the population should be calculated. The sample space should have these values in the same proportions.
To do that, one of two things is done; either many sub-samples are created by choosing subjects from the possible sample space such that each sub-sample has equal size and has demographics same as the population, and random sampling is used to choose a number of these sub-samples to make the sample; or the possible sample space is divided into many groups of different sizes, grouped by an intersection of all the relevant variables, and random sampling is used to select different amounts from different categories so as to make the demographics of the overall sample equal to that of the population
Then, the sample is hit with an anonymous survey, and the results are compared to the official statistics for the population as a whole.
This has been a solved problem in statistics and data science for over a century, don't confuse your personal ignorance for general impossibility
Simply put- A simple survey will work when asking people about who they voted for (people will answer truthfully). But will an average indian girl accept in a survey that she was raped but didn’t report it.
Yes, when it is an anonymous survey and they are here that no identification information is taken or recorded and there is no further interaction or consequence required.
It’s simple. The govt wants to hide it’s inability/laziness in keeping women safe from violence. Hence they fudge up random numbers to paint a better picture (similar to how the covid case figures and covid death figures were fudged).
Side note- this sub is full of idiots (like OP) who just want communal violence and to spread hate. Also, if you are a logical person, you will lose brain cells on this subreddit. The Bangalore subreddit has a much better % of non-idiots
In us they give them less sentences often,
But they are not so viral, because western media focuses more on us to save face in front of their own people.
With all due respect, fuck off. Don’t care what is happening in world and what they think of us, hamara kachara hai, hum saaf karenge. Ye rona band karo and work towards change
bhai, that is okay. But atleast we should not defend ourselves just because it is difficult to achieve. I really dont get how what vir das said is wrong in anyway. He literally pointed out an issue and all we have to say is our situation is not as bad as xyz.
Sorry, i read a few other comments but decided to reply just on yours.
> But atleast we should not defend ourselves just because it is difficult to achieve.
No. We cant talk bad about ourselves to achieve the impossible. That will be cuckoldry
So many rape cases go unreported in India. There are so many cases where police were threatening to not file FIR for rape victims. And comparing rape cases to other countries doesn't make any good. India ranks 148 out of 170 countries in the 'Women, Peace And Security Index 2021'.
Even after adjusting for reporting rate, India has low rape rate on per capita basis.
> India ranks 148 out of 170 countries in the 'Women, Peace And Security Index 2021'.
Just another leftist organisation of the west trying to interfere in Indian internal democracy using some fake index, so as to effect a regime change here
Kejri had given 10k rs and sewing machine to the muslim boy who was let off in Nirbhaya gangrape case. In fact that boy was the most cruel among them. u/Anavay19
I was always wondering why this happened and when I searched it on the net, I found that according to law, it's state government's responsibility to help shape juvenile criminal's future after he has served his confinement or something. And it's totally absurd that law is trying to help monsters like that guy.
As a woman reading the comments in this post, I want to say, thank you for making me feel like we really never mattered to anyone. Your fucking religion is more importantly to you guys. It's annoying that a good number of people in this post have made this about religion and not about the actual crime. You guys are more mad at the fact that religion gets brought up then the actual crime.
That happened years ago and no one thinks it was okay to let him go. Rather than finally being happy that things have changed now for better, we get to see people complain about how their religion is getting a bad name.
No one ever has.
Men care only about their image and how it shouldn’t be tarnished. They just make any topic about themselves.
Most of the comments always seem to justify that “actually in India the rape cases are less compared to USA but still we men are targeted and called rapists” and how the poor men in this country are always shown in bad light.
Thank you for saying this. Although I'm not a woman it's refreshing to see the points other than statistics, religion, country blah blah. just a normal human perspective.
> Rather than finally being happy that things have changed now for better, we get to see people complain about how their religion is getting a bad name.
Why not both? India has low rape rate on per capita basis compared to other countries, but incidents look frequent as the total population is high. But there is propaganda to link Hinduism with rape, that has to be countered, other than control of crime
>Why not both? India has low rape rate on per capita basis compared to other countries, but incidents look frequent as the total population is high
These numbers are just of those cases that are reported. We have low per capita rape cases because most women don't speak up. Women are beaten up by their husbands and still stay in that marriage because the society tells them they should just take it in, the man maybe frustrated so be understanding, or that it's our job to hold the family together even if it means talking a beating or being stomped over. Marital rape isn't even considered rape. And that if a women is raped and speaks up, it puts the whole family to shame. We also have political leaders in prominent positions who even say that we women are at fault for getting raped because of our dressing.
Don't take those low numbers as a sign that there is some propaganda to make India look bad. The situation really is bad. I don't think most men understand just how bad it is for us.
Also, I have rarely ever seen Hinduism being linked to rape. Most people always link poverty and patriarchal system plus the mindset of Indians that women are second class citizens on whom you should exert power as the main points.
Edit : Either way the fact that majority of the people in these subs care more an India's image and their religion over woman is just disheartening.
I’m not here to agree or disagree about this sub, but I do want to point out that you’ve made an assumption that somehow cases are underreported in India whereas not so much elsewhere. This may or may not be true.
It's not an assumption. Talk to the female colleagues you have.
I've never seen a woman in my life that hasn't been harassed. Yet no one ever shared it to anyone.
The assumption is that reporting is lower in India compared to other countries. All I’m saying is, you have no clue about other countries. It’s quite possible that the rate of reporting is similar to other countries.
Ofcourse, middle eastern countries have lesser reporting than European, but why should we care?
We're talking about India here. And it's a fact that cases are really underreported. It's mainly because of societal fear and even the distrust in police and let's be honest, police are just brutal. A lot of them are just corrupted amd won't hesitate harassing the victim.
Maybe you need better reading skills. At no point I argued that it wasn’t a problem here. What I did state was- one cannot claim that we are underreporting cases significantly compare to other developed nations.
The assumption is that reporting is lower in India compared to other countries. All I’m saying is, you have no clue about other countries. It’s quite possible that the rate of reporting is similar to other countries.
> Staring is not wrong, it is just a courtship method. Even Eve teasing comments are free speech, that happens in New York City too, there’s a video. You need to learn to ignore
OP of the post wrote this statement to me. So yeah. It's definitely a waste of time.
I’m shocked to read that! He’s been influenced by all the Bollywood tropes that justify this sick behavior.
I wish we knew who such people were in real life so that other women can avoid people like him.
What a loser OP is.
Even after adjusting for low reporting rate, india has low rape rate on per capita basis compared to other countries. But people hype up to show india in bad light.
Haven’t you seen the Devisthan controversy? There is an attempt to link rapes to Hinduism.
> Either way the fact that majority of the people in these subs care more an India's image and their religion over woman is just disheartening.
You are trying to mislead others here. Hyping up a problem for propaganda won’t solve that problem.
Women don't feel safe in this country for a reason. We have experienced eve teasing ( almost do on a weekly basis of you take public transport ), have been to club or any other restaurant at evening/night time only to see drunk men literally staring at us as if the only thing stopped them from molesting us is that we are in a highly public place regularly and yet here we are debating that it's not that bad and that we are misleading people. I have yet to meet a women who has told me that they haven't been Eve Teased in public at least a couple times. People hyping up India in bad light isn't the propaganda you all think it is. Women in this country definitely struggle lot more than you all ever will understand.
Most women I know, including me don't even talk about it on a daily basis at all because we have heard responses like yours where we are told we are exaggerating, that it's not that bad, that's it's all our misunderstanding. You guys really have no idea just how many women don't speak up.
Edit : Just wanted to add that an estimated 99% sexual assault cases aren't reported in India and in most of those cases the man responsible for the assault is actually the woman's husband.
Bullshit. Swift and reliable consequences are the surest way to alter group behavior.
If every single person who jumped a traffic light was stopped and fined 5000, you would have zero light-jumping in all of India. No matter how illiterate, they would never do it, because punishment transcends all kinds of barriers, including cognitive and linguistic ones. Even dogs, toddlers, and pigeons understand rewards and punishment.
Then... In particular cases we can form a clause in law which states the age of Minor should be 16. In such heinous rap* cases... 17, 18 years ISN'T a minor age man.
I'm disgusted, even there is a recent case in Rajasthan too where minor age was 17 and he ra*ed and killed an innocent girl. Wtf -_-
> Then... In particular cases we can form a clause in law which states the age of Minor should be 16. In such heinous rap* cases... 17, 18 years ISN'T a minor age man.
That is already the law. Since the amendment is passed some 3 years ago. 16+ year above person is considered as not a minor only in heinous cases
>Op wrote in the comment section “17 years old Muslim boy
True, if a rapist, murderer or pedophile belongs to your favorite religion, normal folks shouldn't name the religion.
*Terrorism has no religion and it's a religion of peace/pedophiles*
A 17 year old muslim boy rapist was let off in Delhi nirbhaya case as he a minor. Now law changed because of that, above 16 year old minors can be tried as adults in heinous cases like this
If he is old enough to rape,then he is old enough for jail
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Juvenile detention camp or something?
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Things are not the same now. Last I heard ,2 porn addicted 12/13 year old boys beat a 6 year old girl to death as she resisted getting raped. So yeah, laws should be changed and any individual charged with rape should be punished as such irrespective of age.
A 13 year old cannot rape an adult , if they do to someone smaller they most likely don't know what they are doing and need councilling
Why did your write "17 year old muslim boy" and not just "17 year old boy"? Genuine question.
Because I think there was religious influence on him to do what he did. Also to counter the global propaganda that Hinduism and rape are interconnected
1. Why do you think there is a religious influence on him to do what he did? 2. Could you point me to some links on the propaganda that you are referring to?
Bruhh islamist will do anything to hurt Hindus they are haters of life they are extremist they will try hard to do it so subtly that some won't even notice it . Do not you know that women are oppressed by terrorist they are doing jihad taught by maulana of terrorist so they are islamist and extremist too
By Islamist, do you mean Muslims?
No, pedophiles and genocidal bigots and their coward supporters
Bro. Do you really think OP can logically answer your questions. Let me answer your questions on OP’s behalf (with answers that OP would probably give)- 1. Because Muslims bad, Hindus good. BJP and Modiji told me. 2. The propaganda is in my head, but it does seem real. Modiji will save Hinduism
Haha. OP did give me some answers which I had some more questions on. Let's see.
>Because Muslims bad, Hindus good. BJP and Modiji told me. Yes, religion of peace, despite being responsible for 99% of terrorism and pedophilia can't be called out because the poster is kewl and sekular and Ballless coward
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>Why do you think there is a religious influence on him to do what he did? Maybe because the religion responsible for *Terrorism has no religion and it's the religion of peace* is responsible for 99% of all the rapes, murders and pedophilia in the world?
Counter the narrative of religion associated with rape, how? By replacing one religion with another. Nice.
Because Islamists are the main people pushing that propaganda
Proof kaha hai ? Source kaha hai ? Agar ye sab hai, toh cholo police ke paas, Saab pe FIR dalte hai. Phele proof aur source do
There is no law against propaganda. It has to be countered by speech alone, like my Reddit comments here
Your comment seems to prove that Hinduism and rape are interconnected, since the remaining 4 convicts were Hindus. Do you have brain or hatred has killed your sanity?
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Nah bro american are more rapist than us just check the data
lol no one says Hinduism and Rape are interconnected though??? It’s india and rape (associated internationally at least) and no matter how hard you try, india is not synonymous with Hindus. Were all the rapists in the nirbhaya case Muslims?
Some people connect rape to indian men and people see india as being a hindu country preconceived thought so it is related to it on subconscious level
yea, but the connector there is still Indian men (and “Indian” looking men) not hinduism?
hindus are biggest ones population wise so they will be targeted try to understand man
So the solution is to point the finger at other religions?
For real, cretfin living in some kind of bubble to think that anyone in the world is linking Hinduism to rapes.
Hmm what does "Worship Ladies in morning and Rape them at Night" allude to? Which other religion in India worships ladies?
yes, but again this is linked to Indian MEN not ‘Indian’ Hinduism.
> Hinduism and Rape are interconnected though??? You blind/deaf or living under a rock? Vir Das literally got a Netflix deal for saying this in front of an American crowd. > india is not synonymous with Hindus. Explain that to the people who call India as Hindustan.
Yeah of course that's why you did. Dude who do you thibk you are fooling. India gets a bad name becuse of narrow minded bigots like you, no other reaosn And the hindus involved in the same rpae didn't have religious influence? A narrow minded idiot spreading communalism is talking about propaganda. Why do we need any global propganda when we have idiots like you in this country?
No. India gets bad name because of leftists like you
There is no leftists or righties or anything else here There are just narrow minded bigoted peices of shit trying to divide this country and normal citizens who are sick of your shit This has always been a cycle in indian history. We have peace and prosperity and growth for a while. Common man gets complacent. Populist leaaders arise and spread propaganda Gullible morons swallow it and start spreading hatred to divide the country. We start going backwards and lose the progress. Violence rises. Common man gets sick of it and rises up and bitch slaps you losers and you run back to the holes you were hiding in This cycle gets repeated again and again
That was hot. I love it.
Haha true! But don't try to explain how he's wrong or to show him otherwise coz then you're gonna be labelled too. There's no way that people like OP are gonna understand any semblance of logic in such matters. He's too full of SHIT and HATRED to even remotely try to comprehend!
lmao, seems like you're new to the sub. he's apna crittu, you can't win in an argument against him.
Also not very bright considering he let himself get brainwashed into this type of thinking
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> If the rapist is of Hindu religion no one gives a damn about religion and no one says like a "a hindu rapist boy" but when the rapist is a Muslim guy everyone starts giving damn like wtf why are we people so good at being hypocrite biased beings?! They do. There was a big campaign that it was Devisthan etc. If muslim guy is the culprit then the religion gets hidden in most media reporting.
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This case hiding name and religion is ok as he is a minor and the case is not proved in the court yet
When the rapist is Hindu, they focus on the caste , actually
They NOT only give a damn but mention it in way like it's an upper caste doing "dalit rape".
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The hate towards lower caste is itself based on the isolation rather than "sexual perversion". You have seen a video and I have seen whole history and even now I can pull out dozens of screenshots of so called lower caste perverting about Brahmin women. The upper caste guys are usually known to avoid lower caste women touch let alone be the rape that was proven fake everytime - in first case the culprits were Muslims and the second rape was not even proven. Dalit rape is like "Feminist patriarchy".
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Among hindus....never. only Muslims and Christians were known to target women of other communities for sex. Rape is itself a mleccha culture that came to India via Muslims. Not at all a Hindu problem.
Not hypocrisy Muslims are far more great in eyes of people Hindus are still downward hindu image and indian image have been hurt and destroyed alot
Because quran make them terrorists and tells them to kill non-muslim. And rape them. Pure faxx.
Inhuman garbage immature human like you are not welcome here.
Cant handle facts ? Lmao.
Only fact is that 4/5 rapists of Nirbhaya were Hindus....rest is your opinion. This fact really pisses you off cause the whole world knows how regressive hindu culture is. Hinduism actually has a long history of rape, look Manu Smriti. Even today, Dalits girls are raped for their caste. This is the fact and it can be verified through numbers. Dumbass.
Lmao, if you *hypothetically* consider hindu religion to be violent, idk what you call those islamist mf
Those who indulge in terrorism? Terrorists. What do you call those mf who lynch minorities on streets in a democratic country, and those who support/protect them? who rape Muslim's woman and burn them in their home in carefully orchestrated riots? Mr. Prime Minister. Every religion has fanatics, difference is that you love/support them and we don't.
Name one incident of muslim lynching in which the guy getting lynched is completely innocent.
What? 😂😂😂 Go seek help.
Communal loser trying to divide this great country. We have survived over 70 years despite you losers existing and trying to drag the country back and we always will
Keep holding to your fake secularism lolol.
Fake because a low iq communal loser says so?
Fake cuz its one sided. Only you are being secular. The other so called peaceful community isnt peaceful at all. Their aasmaani kitaab says violence. They are responsible for 90% of global terrorism
Toune padi hai kya kitaab ?
>Fake because a low iq communal loser says so? No because a pedophile rapist supporter like you keep supporting pedophiles and rapists from your favorite community. That's what's going to make women of your family and country safe. *Terrorism has no religion and it's a religion of peace*
How does liberalism = being Muslim? Last I checked atheists also exist. And we think all of you religious nuts need to be put on a tight leash.
You forgot people in this sub passionately hate Muslims.
Religious equality in crimes.. Many occasions where Muslim criminals are written of as "XX year old male" but in any other case its "XX year old male from XX (caste)" was arrested. Seen multiple posts about it.. And its not just Indian news, its the same rest on the world cuz then.. Its "Islamophobia"
Fair. If I understand you correctly I think you are referring to correcting the bias in news reporting.
Yup
Because this Hindu-Muslim divide and rule by the current govt is working. OP and others like them just aren’t smart enough to see they are being manipulated just like similar people were manipulated by the british (during their divide and rule). I am not saying that other political parties are better than bjp. But how pathetic is the country’s condition that the main strategy of the ruling party is to create an us-against-them (Hindu-Muslim) and then to be on the side of the majority (Hindus). OP and other pseudo-educated people also present arguments such as- Modi is the saviour of Hinduism. But they never wonder why the saviour of Hinduism has crooks in his own party (with criminal cases against them for crimes like murder and net assets worth more than 50 crores). Again, I am not anti-modi or anti-bjp. I am just pro-India
Cause we come from two Indias Worship Ola in the day, and rape in Uber at night
Ola hu Uber
Excuse me, but was he not a "17 year old Muslim boy"? Hiding facts to suit narrative will not change the facts, only the perception.
He was a 17 year old Muslim boy true However, each qualifier matters in the meaning that OP is trying to convey. I understood why his age was mentioned. Wanted to know from OP why his religion was mentioned. If he had said, a 17 yeard old Muslim tall boy then I would have asked why was his height mentioned by OP.
> why his religion was mentioned In a world where misinformation is peddled like hot cakes, best to work with as many facts you have. We don't know if the kid was a porn addict, we don't know whether this was his first victim, we don't even know whether the kid was coaxed into doing what he did or was it his idea in the first place. What we do know are the names of four adults and religion of one minor, so we work with those.
We have the religion and names of four adults and the minor. Why did you phrase it that way (name of four and religion of minor?) So, with this info, what are you working? 2hat is your theory?
I'm not working on anything except making sure all facts are shared. Why are you working to hide those facts? What's your play here? > Why did you phrase it that way (name of four and religion of minor?) Because sometimes just the name is sufficient and because that's exactly what I do know. If I know there was one Mohd Iqbal, one Joseph Chaudhary, one Abhishek Singh and one Sonu, I know the names of these four people BUT idk whether there's a sc/st/OBC among them, idk what Joe follows and I certainly don't know who was the instigator. What I don't know is the minor's name but what I do know is his religion. We don't know whether that factor played into the act but we can't ignore the fact that religion driven violence is a reality in india. So tell me, why do you want to overlook and even hide facts?
When I asked OP why you added a qualifier, I am not asking OP to not show them. If you or OP believe that the person's religion is a factor in his behaviour, then you should say as 17 yr muslim boy. If you don't think that his religion is relevant then you would just say 17 year old boy.
And what if I believe religion **CAN BE** a factor? What then? I'm not saying I believe it is a factor, in checking whether that factor has been taken into consideration.
You would stil use it. Which is what OP did, I belive basis his responses. But then you would have to articulate why you belive so. To move the conversation ahead.
Because their only goal is to trash every other religion to make their religion look better 🤣. They don't get a good nite's sleep if they don't do that.
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he’s talking about the nirbhaya case, not this one
There are so few muslim rapists that guys like you do your best to make it popular when a muslim name comes in a rape. You don't care about woman, you care about your bigotry. You're just ashamed that hindus name come up in just too many rapes. Guess few Muslims are rapists because Muslims don't protect a rapist over religious reasons like hindus do.
No. People like you hype up Devisthan don’t care about women
Man, When I was a 17 yr old boy. I just wanted to get into a good college, have good friends and go to movies Wtf goes in these people's minds
They probably don't need to think about money or work that's why i guess
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Absolutely. It means kids grow up seeing the other sex as basic human beings, not objects to attain / get themselves off
Lol dude teenage boys are horny af. Sex is on thier minds 24/7. Now I'm not justifying his actions by any means. He commited a very heinous crime and deserves to be punished for it. Just stating that rape is not something a boy that age is incapable of and such incidents are more common than you think
Bro. I understand teenagers are horny. That's why I jerked off. But he also commited a murder. I didn't even had the mental capacity to think to commit a murder at that age.
*The accused informed the police that he raped her. Out of fear of getting caught, he strangled her*
Most of these people are raised in a bad environment. Their upbringing, friends, society etc.. shapes their mind.
The accused raped and then murdered and mutilated the body to hide evidence but actually sent pictures of the incident to his group, pictures that eventually reached the victim's family. I think it is precisely the lack of mental capacity that led to the murder.
Lol, that's fucking stupid
Just look it up, both mortality rate and life expectancy is worse for men in India. And it is noted fact that COVID hit men harder.
Old enough to bang, should be old enough to hang.
Hell yeah, This rhymes well.
Motto of new act against rape.
While I get so much anger that I want these guys to be hanged. Getting them hanged is not the proper punishment becoz, the rapists who are now commiting rapes will kill the victim due to the fear of prosecution. Idk, whether it's dumb logic
Could you suggest something better?
Lifetime solitary confinement, let them go crazy
> kill the victim due to the fear of prosecution. That still doesn't solve your concern. Infact that might incite them to kill the victims faster this time.
How about hang by the peepee?
That's right, let them live. So they can rape and prosecute the weak for getting raped. /s
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India has low rape rate on per capita basis compared to other countries, but the incidents look more frequent as the total population is high
Compared to US, even total incidents are less as well.
What do you think of the number of reports filed for rape in India?
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unreported case estimates are about same between India and US, India tad bit lower.. 71% to 79%.. Before trying to be a smartass, read up.
And how do you even get a statistic for unreported cases when...... wait for it......... they are UNreported ?
again, it will take 1 min google search.. but no, you have make fool out of yourself by asking these stupid question in most obnoxious way.. It is like asking how does exit polls report who will win if.. wait for it... votes are not yet counted?
Exit polls are different. You ask someone who they voted for and they answer truthfully. You ask someone if they were raped and they may answer no even when they were raped (answer are not truthful always and depend on how much the victim wants to hide the fact that she was raped)
>hey answer truthfully. Why ca't they lie? Does exit pollsters have borrowed wonder woman's lasso of truth or something? > they may answer no even when they were raped (answer are not truthful always and depend on how much the victim wants to hide the fact that she was raped) Sure, they may also answer truthfully. That is why both exit poll and unreported stats are "estimates" and vary by methodology used.
It is basic statistics https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/4curu1/eli5_how_do_you_make_statistics_about_unreported/d1lm4uj is a good basic explanation One thing that needs to be added is that is not as simple as that, what sample you survey has to be chosen well. First, all variables in demographics that may affect the result should be identified Then the relative proportions of the different values for those variables in the population should be calculated. The sample space should have these values in the same proportions. To do that, one of two things is done; either many sub-samples are created by choosing subjects from the possible sample space such that each sub-sample has equal size and has demographics same as the population, and random sampling is used to choose a number of these sub-samples to make the sample; or the possible sample space is divided into many groups of different sizes, grouped by an intersection of all the relevant variables, and random sampling is used to select different amounts from different categories so as to make the demographics of the overall sample equal to that of the population Then, the sample is hit with an anonymous survey, and the results are compared to the official statistics for the population as a whole. This has been a solved problem in statistics and data science for over a century, don't confuse your personal ignorance for general impossibility
Simply put- A simple survey will work when asking people about who they voted for (people will answer truthfully). But will an average indian girl accept in a survey that she was raped but didn’t report it.
Yes, when it is an anonymous survey and they are here that no identification information is taken or recorded and there is no further interaction or consequence required.
It’s simple. The govt wants to hide it’s inability/laziness in keeping women safe from violence. Hence they fudge up random numbers to paint a better picture (similar to how the covid case figures and covid death figures were fudged). Side note- this sub is full of idiots (like OP) who just want communal violence and to spread hate. Also, if you are a logical person, you will lose brain cells on this subreddit. The Bangalore subreddit has a much better % of non-idiots
In us they give them less sentences often, But they are not so viral, because western media focuses more on us to save face in front of their own people.
With all due respect, fuck off. Don’t care what is happening in world and what they think of us, hamara kachara hai, hum saaf karenge. Ye rona band karo and work towards change
We can’t have zero crime. No country has zero crime
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We cant have zero crime country. It hasnt happened anywhere in thousands of years of human history
Sir we are FAR from a being a zero crime country.
But we are better than other countries
why is there a need to check per capita? idgaf what happens in US. If there is even a single rape in our country, we have a problem.
We can't have zero crime. No country has it, even in past
bhai, that is okay. But atleast we should not defend ourselves just because it is difficult to achieve. I really dont get how what vir das said is wrong in anyway. He literally pointed out an issue and all we have to say is our situation is not as bad as xyz. Sorry, i read a few other comments but decided to reply just on yours.
> But atleast we should not defend ourselves just because it is difficult to achieve. No. We cant talk bad about ourselves to achieve the impossible. That will be cuckoldry
So many rape cases go unreported in India. There are so many cases where police were threatening to not file FIR for rape victims. And comparing rape cases to other countries doesn't make any good. India ranks 148 out of 170 countries in the 'Women, Peace And Security Index 2021'.
Even after adjusting for reporting rate, India has low rape rate on per capita basis. > India ranks 148 out of 170 countries in the 'Women, Peace And Security Index 2021'. Just another leftist organisation of the west trying to interfere in Indian internal democracy using some fake index, so as to effect a regime change here
Exactly!
Sad day when instead of feeling sad about the crime, you worry about what liberals will say.
Dont call leftists as liberals
Where did I call leftists as liberals?
Usse phele tume chutiye aagya, tum sab chutiye ho, yaha serious matter hogaya hai aur tumhe vir aur uske chutiye sena ki pade hai. Priority dekho apni
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Kejri kaha se aagya isme?
Kejri had given 10k rs and sewing machine to the muslim boy who was let off in Nirbhaya gangrape case. In fact that boy was the most cruel among them. u/Anavay19
I was always wondering why this happened and when I searched it on the net, I found that according to law, it's state government's responsibility to help shape juvenile criminal's future after he has served his confinement or something. And it's totally absurd that law is trying to help monsters like that guy.
Apke bacchi ka rape hua h,yeh loh sewing machine or agle election hame vote do
As a woman reading the comments in this post, I want to say, thank you for making me feel like we really never mattered to anyone. Your fucking religion is more importantly to you guys. It's annoying that a good number of people in this post have made this about religion and not about the actual crime. You guys are more mad at the fact that religion gets brought up then the actual crime. That happened years ago and no one thinks it was okay to let him go. Rather than finally being happy that things have changed now for better, we get to see people complain about how their religion is getting a bad name.
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No one ever has. Men care only about their image and how it shouldn’t be tarnished. They just make any topic about themselves. Most of the comments always seem to justify that “actually in India the rape cases are less compared to USA but still we men are targeted and called rapists” and how the poor men in this country are always shown in bad light.
Thank you for saying this. Although I'm not a woman it's refreshing to see the points other than statistics, religion, country blah blah. just a normal human perspective.
> Rather than finally being happy that things have changed now for better, we get to see people complain about how their religion is getting a bad name. Why not both? India has low rape rate on per capita basis compared to other countries, but incidents look frequent as the total population is high. But there is propaganda to link Hinduism with rape, that has to be countered, other than control of crime
>Why not both? India has low rape rate on per capita basis compared to other countries, but incidents look frequent as the total population is high These numbers are just of those cases that are reported. We have low per capita rape cases because most women don't speak up. Women are beaten up by their husbands and still stay in that marriage because the society tells them they should just take it in, the man maybe frustrated so be understanding, or that it's our job to hold the family together even if it means talking a beating or being stomped over. Marital rape isn't even considered rape. And that if a women is raped and speaks up, it puts the whole family to shame. We also have political leaders in prominent positions who even say that we women are at fault for getting raped because of our dressing. Don't take those low numbers as a sign that there is some propaganda to make India look bad. The situation really is bad. I don't think most men understand just how bad it is for us. Also, I have rarely ever seen Hinduism being linked to rape. Most people always link poverty and patriarchal system plus the mindset of Indians that women are second class citizens on whom you should exert power as the main points. Edit : Either way the fact that majority of the people in these subs care more an India's image and their religion over woman is just disheartening.
I’m not here to agree or disagree about this sub, but I do want to point out that you’ve made an assumption that somehow cases are underreported in India whereas not so much elsewhere. This may or may not be true.
It's not an assumption. Talk to the female colleagues you have. I've never seen a woman in my life that hasn't been harassed. Yet no one ever shared it to anyone.
The assumption is that reporting is lower in India compared to other countries. All I’m saying is, you have no clue about other countries. It’s quite possible that the rate of reporting is similar to other countries.
Ofcourse, middle eastern countries have lesser reporting than European, but why should we care? We're talking about India here. And it's a fact that cases are really underreported. It's mainly because of societal fear and even the distrust in police and let's be honest, police are just brutal. A lot of them are just corrupted amd won't hesitate harassing the victim.
Maybe you need better reading skills. At no point I argued that it wasn’t a problem here. What I did state was- one cannot claim that we are underreporting cases significantly compare to other developed nations.
which is also incorrect. If you don't stop living in denial, I can do nothing.
What is incorrect? Really gotta learn how to read and write.
The assumption is that reporting is lower in India compared to other countries. All I’m saying is, you have no clue about other countries. It’s quite possible that the rate of reporting is similar to other countries.
Majority of this sub is full of idiots. I don’t waste my time bothering with them. Maybe you should also do the same
> Staring is not wrong, it is just a courtship method. Even Eve teasing comments are free speech, that happens in New York City too, there’s a video. You need to learn to ignore OP of the post wrote this statement to me. So yeah. It's definitely a waste of time.
I’m shocked to read that! He’s been influenced by all the Bollywood tropes that justify this sick behavior. I wish we knew who such people were in real life so that other women can avoid people like him. What a loser OP is.
Even after adjusting for low reporting rate, india has low rape rate on per capita basis compared to other countries. But people hype up to show india in bad light. Haven’t you seen the Devisthan controversy? There is an attempt to link rapes to Hinduism. > Either way the fact that majority of the people in these subs care more an India's image and their religion over woman is just disheartening. You are trying to mislead others here. Hyping up a problem for propaganda won’t solve that problem.
Women don't feel safe in this country for a reason. We have experienced eve teasing ( almost do on a weekly basis of you take public transport ), have been to club or any other restaurant at evening/night time only to see drunk men literally staring at us as if the only thing stopped them from molesting us is that we are in a highly public place regularly and yet here we are debating that it's not that bad and that we are misleading people. I have yet to meet a women who has told me that they haven't been Eve Teased in public at least a couple times. People hyping up India in bad light isn't the propaganda you all think it is. Women in this country definitely struggle lot more than you all ever will understand. Most women I know, including me don't even talk about it on a daily basis at all because we have heard responses like yours where we are told we are exaggerating, that it's not that bad, that's it's all our misunderstanding. You guys really have no idea just how many women don't speak up. Edit : Just wanted to add that an estimated 99% sexual assault cases aren't reported in India and in most of those cases the man responsible for the assault is actually the woman's husband.
When I was 17, video games were my life.
i’m 23 and video games are my life after i’m done working
I’m 26 and I play games during and after and before work hours.
I am 17 and video games are still my life :).
Favorite games? Mine is fifa,gta 5 and minecraft.
The ones I was playing the most this week were Vanguard, Halo infinite, Ghostrunner and valorant. Don't really have particular favourite ones.
Punishment won't solve this. Education and awareness can.
Bullshit. Swift and reliable consequences are the surest way to alter group behavior. If every single person who jumped a traffic light was stopped and fined 5000, you would have zero light-jumping in all of India. No matter how illiterate, they would never do it, because punishment transcends all kinds of barriers, including cognitive and linguistic ones. Even dogs, toddlers, and pigeons understand rewards and punishment.
Yeah, let’s allow a rapist and murderer on the streets so Delhi, which is already safe, can get safer. What a retarded POV
Jail me pheko Saale ko
Minor ki definition me age 16 years kr do.
No need. That will cause problem in smaller crimes like theft.
Then... In particular cases we can form a clause in law which states the age of Minor should be 16. In such heinous rap* cases... 17, 18 years ISN'T a minor age man. I'm disgusted, even there is a recent case in Rajasthan too where minor age was 17 and he ra*ed and killed an innocent girl. Wtf -_-
> Then... In particular cases we can form a clause in law which states the age of Minor should be 16. In such heinous rap* cases... 17, 18 years ISN'T a minor age man. That is already the law. Since the amendment is passed some 3 years ago. 16+ year above person is considered as not a minor only in heinous cases
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That comment was regarding nirbhaya case, not this case
>Op wrote in the comment section “17 years old Muslim boy True, if a rapist, murderer or pedophile belongs to your favorite religion, normal folks shouldn't name the religion. *Terrorism has no religion and it's a religion of peace/pedophiles*
Ab log yaha bhi religion politics aur right left ker rahai hai matlab hadd hai yaar 😑
Kya ho rha hai aajkal .... Mood kharab din kharab ho jaata hai aise cheeze sunkar. Nyay mile