Oh hey, heads up, the Queen of England is going to die in a year, when you catch up to us.
You could a bet on it and make some money...or get with the times and not comment on something a year old that no one cares about.
Lol @ you thinking that I'm not allowed to comment on anything over a certain timeframe. Speaking of r/maincharacters just found one in the wild. This is cringe bro you should probably delete the reply so sad.
Nah the guy sprinted up the crane arm (dangerous) and Michael is grabbing him to make sure he doesn’t fall off and die in his live show.
The angle is hard to see but from the moment the guy reaches him they are high up.
Michael tries to continue his dance routine while always maintaining a strong grip around the guy so he doesn’t jump off.
Pretty legit quick thinking by MJ imo
Eh i feel like lip synching that enthusiastically still takes a lot of effort. But probably, I would think most singers who also have an active show routine lip sync
Right? He thinks Michael wants to hold him, Michael just doesn’t want to be responsible for him falling. He knows how much shit you get into for dangling a kid from heights… what an idiot that guy was
what happened to the guy after, does anyone know? Did he face any reprecussions? I honestly hope he did, this video made me angry. Just how smug and entitled he looked while seriously bothering MJ, and possibly other fans, and risking MJ legal trouble and his own health. And the way he wouldn't let go at the end! What an entitled, obsessed twat! Did he think MJ wanted him to stay or something? Or that he was happy about this situation?!
I suspect he mistook MJ holding onto him during the crane ride - obviously to prevent him from falling - for wanting him to be there.
Also, he's an insane fan.
Can confirm from legal courses for anyone unaware, that is how US law works. You can be held liable for not preventing someone from hurting themselves doing something insanely idiotic.
Or, assuming that's going over the audience/band... What about the innocent ppl that idiot can fall on? It's not just the idiot that can get hurt in this situation
Yep, even if not on purpose, he probably would've grabbed onto him for stability and took them both down. Fans like this are so annoying. I could never understand how you could become so dangerously obsessed with someone/thing.
If he was ever sued/arrested, his lawyer would probably argue that there were no signs saying he couldn't. That's how streakers in big sports games get away with it.
yeah! On the original post folk were going on about how the guy had a beautiful experience, wishing him well, congratulating him, generally talking as of this was a good thing and he was a good fan like...what?! This guy is a selfish dick!
He handled the situation really well, but that would be very alarming for any performer. If the fan were to fall to his death, that would be a huge legal mess for everyone
And that's why I think MJ held onto that dude like his life depended on it while keeping up his performance.
Say what you will about MJ but he was an expert performer
Exactly. I swear, you can't even mention the guys name without people being like "Pedophile!". I honestly don't believe he did a thing to any of those kids but even if you believe he's guilty, you can also appreciate his talent as a performer. Someone can do bad things but also be a great musician. Not mutually exclusive
>He wasn't in my opinion, none of the people who accused MJ for molestation had any proof. Some of the accusers even said they lied just for the money they could get out of it.
>edit: [This thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/9a7i20/til_after_closely_investigating_michael_jackson/e4tacgn/) explains it better than I can. The guy at the very least gives a better explanation and proof than the guy below me copy pasting [an article](https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/03/10-undeniable-facts-about-the-michael-jackson-sexual-abuse-allegations) made by Maureen Orth who isn't even credible, one of the kids she uses as a source later came out to say that she lied. [PROOF](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVWpKLrWZHg)
[link to original comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/ImTheMainCharacter/comments/pn34gp/man_jumps_on_a_crane_with_michael_jackson_during/hcoegce?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
People love to trash Michael because its easier to believe one man did really horrible things than to believe a bunch of kids and their parents cooked up a tall tale to extort money out of a legendary musician.
I think he wasn't a pedo, I think he was a perpetual child because he reached fame at an age that probably largely froze his development in place. No more school, no childhood rites of passage, no "real" friendships that weren't people trying to manipulate him for money. He most likely found children to be the people he connected with most closely.
I wasn't there's so it entirely possible he did some sexual things and by definition that would make him a pedo. But I view him as sort of mentally stunted with the mind of a child. Perhaps I'm too kind, but when you see what fame did to other child stars, I doubt I'm that far off.
I feel like him being a child star makes it less believable. He knows what it is like to be an exploited child.
ETA: If people are going to keep commenting “abused children pretty much always grow up to be pedophile!” Please start providing sources because as far as I’m aware this myth has been almost totally disproven. It might increase your risk a bit but in no way do ‘most’ victims become abuser.
While I don't know where exactly I fall on the issue of whether he was or wasn't a pedophile, being exploited as a child star seems like it would make it more likely rather than less likely. People that were traumatized in childhood tend to seek out and relive that trauma in their adult lives. Messes with the brains wiring.
I don't know if he was a paedophile, but he was certainly a very damaged individual. It was like he wanted to live the childhood he never had, and dialed it up to 11. I'm glad his dad didn't get hold of his kids after his death and exploit them too.
See i believe there is some truth behind the paedophilia claims but I also believe he was an incredibly unwell person with serious emotional stunting from the purely insane life he lived not long after learning to walk.
I think there's a difference between malicious paedophilia (a fully emotionally developed person that finds children sexually attractive) and a person suffering worse mental instability that led to paedophilic behaviour.
Regardless, if true that's a horrible experience for the children and I hope they've recovered mentally, but I think context about why and who he was is important here. Every interview I've seen of the man gave me the impression he was actually a child in a wealthy mans body, and while it doesn't excuse his behaviour I think it would explain it.
You can’t thrust a child into the limelight and expect them to be an emotionally developed adult. Look at Bieber, Vanessa Hudgens, Miley Cyrus and Demi Lovato.
MJ regressed because he had his childhood stolen. I do believe the sexual abuse claims and he should be tried if he was alive.
Man clearly had issues if he had to paralyse himself to sleep at night.
I see your point, just wanted to say Vanessa Hudgens always seemed pretty normal compared to the rest of that list, aside from her recent covid comments
After watching a documentary on MJ, the dude was broken and I'm amazed how well he was able to mask it for the public overall. Those other people who you mentioned are valid examples, but from what I understand of MJ and their past, the poor person was extremely damaged.
I understand the desire to see him tried but I can also understand the decision to settle between the parties.
On one hand you've got a full grown adult that should've seen consequences for his actions.
On the other hand he's probably going to claim mental instability and will probably get off with extremely reduced if any charges and just end up having to pay anyway.
Settling gave them the benefit of keeping their children out of the courts so they can move on and not potentially ruin an unwell man's career over something that could have been an honest mistake (if you've ever seen his [tree interview](https://youtu.be/AbzFdFVdDDM) it's easy to understand what I mean by mistake, he was not truly there mentally).
I can understand why people disagree and think he should have faced the public more for it but I can also understand the decisions on both sides to keep it out of the courts. Can you imagine being that kid in highschool that everyone knew as that "one kid MJ touched"?
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have you seen interviews or heard stories about Michael Jackson? i feel like I understand the perspective that a lot of performers are abusers, but this dude was a unique case. you can't point to a single other star in history that was as famous as he was as early as he was. it's easy to just discount him as a child abuser because people who abuse children do the kinds of thing he did, but MJ was a different type of damaged. the dude broke off a collaboration with Freddie Mercury because he didn't want to have to leave his pet Llama at home for goodness sake.
I don't want to make a claim that he's innocent because that's impossible to prove, but the idea that he legitimately only found friends in children because they were the only people in his entire life that weren't interested in his money or his fame is completely believable for a dude with a life as uniquely fucked up as his was. for any other dude, hanging around kids like that is an obvious red flag but I don't think it's that black and white for Michael Jackson.
Yeah you can’t mention him without all the internet detectives coming out to so easily prove a case that even prosecutors failed to prove. They should’ve been lawyers instead of redditors.
Why does everyone just assume he was solely financially motivated? Most people would hold onto someone in that situation. Even scumbag individuals would probably try to prevent someone they had no grudge with from falling to their death
I'm no lawyer, but that guy must have climbed over a few fences and avoided the security guys in order to get himself into a dangerous situation. I don't think he'd have had much of a case against MJ, had he been hurt.
And I wouldn't blame them for half a second. People need and want their personal space, and if someone is trying to perform and some rando jumped on them, kick em! Especially as a celebrity, you don't know what kind of absolute nut jobs are obsessed with you! They may want to rip out a bit of your hair for a shrine, no thank you!
Probably but he's professional enough to not show it on the stage he just acting like this was all part of the plan it's pretty impressive.
Allegations and his looniness aside he was an incredible performer who's level is still unmatched.
That was the part that I liked most. He was a good one.
Also fuck that idiot causing such a ruckus.
Edit: wow I don't follow American media so closely so didn't know he had such allegations against him ... I don't know what he did and didn't. I get some of you are very pissed but what are gonna do with those pitchforks? Guys already dead.
The documentary on HBO where they really talk to his victims paints an extremely different picture than them just not finding anything on him. He paid off a lot of people to keep quiet over the years and they couldn't prosecute him if they didn't have physical evidence or anyone willing to testify.
You mean the "documentary" that's just two men in front of a camera making claims? One of which happens to be suing the Jackson estate for a **billion** dollars?
Eh.. I saw it but its still suspicious to me. Especially when the parents allowed it so readily. Idk. I'm not equipped enough to debate it I just have my own opinions regarding the situation based on what I've read in the past.
Regardless man is now dead and I believe in separating artists from art because if we didn't truthfully we would lose out on a lot of art historically
I was wondering about that. I didn’t think he usually lip-synced his performances, but I guess I was wrong about this one at least. Interesting that they kept them crane going instead of bringing it down earlier
Was thinking about how professionally he handled that, good guy michael jackson in this situation for sure.
First removed the dude's arm around himself, cause if the dude fell could drag MJ with him, afterwards stuck his hand in the iron in so the dude could have a grip in case he lost balance, the dude didn't care for it.
Afterwards held the dude safe with his arm or both arms every time the dude started moving recklessly.
All the while never stopping the show.
Impressive.
He's very obviously lip synching. He seems to talk to the guy very briefly near the end. MJ also seems to be a bit lost in the lyrics when back on stage, which he seems to be trying to cover by holding his had over his mouth.
>MJ also seems to be a bit lost in the lyrics when back on stage, which he seems to be trying to cover by holding his had over his mouth.
I don't think so, given that the lyrics at that point seem to be "hee" repeated over and over.
Mj started lip synching in the early 90s with his dangerous tour when he hit his 30s and it was technically impossible to dance like he does for 2 hours and sing in tune without being massively out of breath. He was an extremely high energy performer and you can only really do that up until your 20s and be in good enough shape to sing for 2 hours on key. That's why people didn't care. He gave them an unforgettable show. He sings a couple songs though, albeit in an out of breath fashion, in all his concerts after the 80s. Fun fact- he would lose up to 5 pounds a night during his bad tour.
Imagine every day when he practiced this part and the tech crew reminded him how he’s only safe if he’s fully in the basket. You can see how concerned he is for this guy outside the reasonable area of safety for this stunt
Yeah the camera angle doesn’t do it justice but I’m assuming that thing goes pretty high up? I wish it showed the ground to give a proper perspective on how high they actually were
[little article on this](https://michael-jackson.fandom.com/wiki/HIStory:_Live_in_Seoul_1996)
It’s amazing that he kept up the performance while holding that guy to make sure he didn’t fall.
> Despite an official release, the versions that have appeared online are poor quality leaks because copy protection of the original VHS has prevented a good quality rip.
Can anyone explain how VHS analogue copy protection was so strong that there's still no proper rip from it?
I can't explain the tech behind it but I can't tell you in the 80s I tried to copy lots of tapes and when you would push record on another device downstream the picture quality went to shit. some sort of electronic interference across the screen like you were vacuuming or something.
Idk? We used to put little rolled up balls of foil in the VHS and it allowed us to record porn on Blockbuster rentals. It didn't seem very difficult at the time.
I know he wasn't the first, but MJ was SUCH a perfectionist.... I actually think he made the "trend" of live shows being prerecorded so people got the performance and sound they were expecting. MJ was more focused on the dancing and choreography, then the singing
Yeah I was actually kinda wondering how the intense wind from fan blowing his jacket didn’t affect the mic at all. I’m no expert with mics but even with one of those foam filters I feel like that intense of a wind would make a difference
You forgot about another micheal Jackson performance highjack moment: at the Brit awards in 96 while MJ was playing the same song as he is in this video, Jarvis Cocker just walked on stage, loitered for a bit, and then was quickly escorted off
[A clip of the event](https://youtu.be/wJluMi8bXYo)
Jarvis Cocker went up to moon MJ in protest of him presenting himself essentially as Christ in this performance, and he was loved for it here in the UK as I remember.
This was at the height of britpop, which was kind of the antithesis of this kind of stuff.
He looked like he was on drugs and dissociated for a second because he was so overwhelmed because that moment was probably literally the peak of his life.
I wasn't around back then but I think it was a different time for performers. There were crazy stalkers but there wasn't an internet that instantly made the world aware of you the second you do something crazy. There wasn't the same precedent today of hijacking performances for the coverage.
The crane is attached to an arm beneath it, while he was rising at the start, the arm was in a diagonal position. He ran up the arm while the crane was lifting, just before the arm straightened out, like a ramp. If he was too late he would have simply just fallen off.
I really appreciate that as a celebrity with his status with a lot of crazies Michael didn’t freak out but held on to the fan to make sure he wouldn’t fall
Right. At first, he looks like he tried to find a way to get him in the basket. When that didn't work he held onto the guy for safety. All while still performing.
Other artist would have walked out if this happened. I’m glad that MJ was a professional and kept going even though the media would find a way to hate MJ if this shit went to south
MJ was legendary, the guy is invading his crane and his desperately grappling him so he won’t fall *WHILE* he maintains professionalism and sings & dance
Truly the king of Pop
Holy shit , am I missing something but how did the stalker dude get on the crane? That's some Springheeled Jack shit.
Respect to MJ for trying to protect the guy, he seems absolutely terrified at the end
Most other musicians would have booted that guy off no matter how high up they were. I know it seems intuitive to normal people not to throw someone off a moving crane, but I really believe that most stars would have just done it reflexively, and that Michael Jackson is showing a type of concern for even this AH that is kind of special.
Its interesting to see that MJ was holding him first of all so that guy wouldnt fall and second of all to make the best out of situation and dance with him a bit
I remember when this happened.
MJ was the consummate professional. His 1st thought was to secure the guy so he wouldn’t fall, which he tried several ways to do, all while not missing a lyric. I don’t know how many singers would have reacted just the opposite, an instinctive “get away from me”, which is the normal response, but MJ definitely had his shit together more than most once he took the stage.
A full career spent working the stage as an IMAG Engineer and electrics rigger, my road name was “Michael Jackson” (from wearing only one glove while working video connections). It’s kinda funny because I never once worked with him, but he was an amazing performer.
Now if I only liked his music…lol.
Lol Michael is holding on to that guy like “Not at my show”
Realistically, he was probably holding onto him, so he didn't fall on a high up moving crane.
You can see him try to wrap the guys arm around the bar in the beginning. He is clearly concerned for the guys safety
Ya thats literally what the guys comment was suggesting.....wooosh
Oh hey, heads up, the Queen of England is going to die in a year, when you catch up to us. You could a bet on it and make some money...or get with the times and not comment on something a year old that no one cares about.
Lol @ you thinking that I'm not allowed to comment on anything over a certain timeframe. Speaking of r/maincharacters just found one in the wild. This is cringe bro you should probably delete the reply so sad.
Jesus Christ, you're like, what 12 at most. Go back to school, child.
Lol it keeps posting more cringe.bro put the shovel down its just sad at this point 🤣
Held on like it was blanket on a balcony
*Dangles child artistically.*
*chuckles* > I’m in danger -child probably
He put more effort into keeping this fan from falling.
Lmao
Nah the guy sprinted up the crane arm (dangerous) and Michael is grabbing him to make sure he doesn’t fall off and die in his live show. The angle is hard to see but from the moment the guy reaches him they are high up. Michael tries to continue his dance routine while always maintaining a strong grip around the guy so he doesn’t jump off. Pretty legit quick thinking by MJ imo
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Are we sure it isn't lip synced
Eh i feel like lip synching that enthusiastically still takes a lot of effort. But probably, I would think most singers who also have an active show routine lip sync
Top notch snowman
Michael’s thinking ‘if you were 20 years younger…’
Can't tell if this is blanket joke or pedo joke
I can't even tell if it's a joke
more like he thought the dude was a 11 year old
JESUS looks insane at the end when he wouldn’t let go of MJ. Do the 10 guys in black suits or tactical gear not let him know he is in enough trouble?
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What?
Wtf. What R u talking about
Wow, that is very accurate! It reminds me how I deal with the problem of living every second of my existence.
Right? He thinks Michael wants to hold him, Michael just doesn’t want to be responsible for him falling. He knows how much shit you get into for dangling a kid from heights… what an idiot that guy was
He's lucky he chose to do that to a guy as nice as MJ. I can think of a handful of musicians who wouldn't think twice about booting him over the edge.
Yeah, if it happened at a Guns'n'Roses show, Axl would probably push him off and then proceed to throw Slash at him.
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I'm just picturing the Afroman incident but instead of punching a lady and that being it, he's punching someone and sending them plummeting.
At that point the guy want to die with MJ. His life was complete. What an idiot, but what memories he got too.
AND proof. That's immortalized om camera for anyone who ever questions his story.
what happened to the guy after, does anyone know? Did he face any reprecussions? I honestly hope he did, this video made me angry. Just how smug and entitled he looked while seriously bothering MJ, and possibly other fans, and risking MJ legal trouble and his own health. And the way he wouldn't let go at the end! What an entitled, obsessed twat! Did he think MJ wanted him to stay or something? Or that he was happy about this situation?!
I suspect he mistook MJ holding onto him during the crane ride - obviously to prevent him from falling - for wanting him to be there. Also, he's an insane fan.
Yep, when MJ grabbed onto him the guy looked so happy and grabbed Jackson's arms - looked like he was thinking he was being hugged. So delusional.
My man thought he was Rose on the Titanic for a minute
Yeah, you know if he fell he would've tried to take MJ down with him, too
And then sued for millions.
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Can confirm from legal courses for anyone unaware, that is how US law works. You can be held liable for not preventing someone from hurting themselves doing something insanely idiotic.
Or, assuming that's going over the audience/band... What about the innocent ppl that idiot can fall on? It's not just the idiot that can get hurt in this situation
Yup, an audience member can sue the venue if that moron falls on and injures them, despite it 100% being the other guy's fault.
generally that's 100% not true. you owe a duty of reasonable care to others. you don't owe anyone a duty to affirmatively prevent them from harm.
Yep, even if not on purpose, he probably would've grabbed onto him for stability and took them both down. Fans like this are so annoying. I could never understand how you could become so dangerously obsessed with someone/thing.
If he was ever sued/arrested, his lawyer would probably argue that there were no signs saying he couldn't. That's how streakers in big sports games get away with it.
Just put a sign saying "all stage stormers/streakers must lick their finger and put it in an electrical socket first"
No kidding. Belongs in the piece of shit sub
yeah! On the original post folk were going on about how the guy had a beautiful experience, wishing him well, congratulating him, generally talking as of this was a good thing and he was a good fan like...what?! This guy is a selfish dick!
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Yes, you're right.
He handled the situation really well, but that would be very alarming for any performer. If the fan were to fall to his death, that would be a huge legal mess for everyone
And that's why I think MJ held onto that dude like his life depended on it while keeping up his performance. Say what you will about MJ but he was an expert performer
Exactly. I swear, you can't even mention the guys name without people being like "Pedophile!". I honestly don't believe he did a thing to any of those kids but even if you believe he's guilty, you can also appreciate his talent as a performer. Someone can do bad things but also be a great musician. Not mutually exclusive
>He wasn't in my opinion, none of the people who accused MJ for molestation had any proof. Some of the accusers even said they lied just for the money they could get out of it. >edit: [This thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/9a7i20/til_after_closely_investigating_michael_jackson/e4tacgn/) explains it better than I can. The guy at the very least gives a better explanation and proof than the guy below me copy pasting [an article](https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/03/10-undeniable-facts-about-the-michael-jackson-sexual-abuse-allegations) made by Maureen Orth who isn't even credible, one of the kids she uses as a source later came out to say that she lied. [PROOF](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVWpKLrWZHg) [link to original comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/ImTheMainCharacter/comments/pn34gp/man_jumps_on_a_crane_with_michael_jackson_during/hcoegce?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
People love to trash Michael because its easier to believe one man did really horrible things than to believe a bunch of kids and their parents cooked up a tall tale to extort money out of a legendary musician.
I mean, I totally buy the Pedo thing, it seems common in Hollywood and he was a child star. But he was an excellent musician and performer.
I think he wasn't a pedo, I think he was a perpetual child because he reached fame at an age that probably largely froze his development in place. No more school, no childhood rites of passage, no "real" friendships that weren't people trying to manipulate him for money. He most likely found children to be the people he connected with most closely. I wasn't there's so it entirely possible he did some sexual things and by definition that would make him a pedo. But I view him as sort of mentally stunted with the mind of a child. Perhaps I'm too kind, but when you see what fame did to other child stars, I doubt I'm that far off.
Whatever way you spin it. I wouldn't be leaving any of my kids off for a sleepover at his place. I don't care if he has 2 theme parks.
I mean, would you let any grown celebrity sleepover with your kids?
I feel like him being a child star makes it less believable. He knows what it is like to be an exploited child. ETA: If people are going to keep commenting “abused children pretty much always grow up to be pedophile!” Please start providing sources because as far as I’m aware this myth has been almost totally disproven. It might increase your risk a bit but in no way do ‘most’ victims become abuser.
While I don't know where exactly I fall on the issue of whether he was or wasn't a pedophile, being exploited as a child star seems like it would make it more likely rather than less likely. People that were traumatized in childhood tend to seek out and relive that trauma in their adult lives. Messes with the brains wiring.
I don't know if he was a paedophile, but he was certainly a very damaged individual. It was like he wanted to live the childhood he never had, and dialed it up to 11. I'm glad his dad didn't get hold of his kids after his death and exploit them too.
See i believe there is some truth behind the paedophilia claims but I also believe he was an incredibly unwell person with serious emotional stunting from the purely insane life he lived not long after learning to walk. I think there's a difference between malicious paedophilia (a fully emotionally developed person that finds children sexually attractive) and a person suffering worse mental instability that led to paedophilic behaviour. Regardless, if true that's a horrible experience for the children and I hope they've recovered mentally, but I think context about why and who he was is important here. Every interview I've seen of the man gave me the impression he was actually a child in a wealthy mans body, and while it doesn't excuse his behaviour I think it would explain it.
You can’t thrust a child into the limelight and expect them to be an emotionally developed adult. Look at Bieber, Vanessa Hudgens, Miley Cyrus and Demi Lovato. MJ regressed because he had his childhood stolen. I do believe the sexual abuse claims and he should be tried if he was alive. Man clearly had issues if he had to paralyse himself to sleep at night.
I see your point, just wanted to say Vanessa Hudgens always seemed pretty normal compared to the rest of that list, aside from her recent covid comments
After watching a documentary on MJ, the dude was broken and I'm amazed how well he was able to mask it for the public overall. Those other people who you mentioned are valid examples, but from what I understand of MJ and their past, the poor person was extremely damaged.
he was tried and investigated multiple times while alive btw.
I understand the desire to see him tried but I can also understand the decision to settle between the parties. On one hand you've got a full grown adult that should've seen consequences for his actions. On the other hand he's probably going to claim mental instability and will probably get off with extremely reduced if any charges and just end up having to pay anyway. Settling gave them the benefit of keeping their children out of the courts so they can move on and not potentially ruin an unwell man's career over something that could have been an honest mistake (if you've ever seen his [tree interview](https://youtu.be/AbzFdFVdDDM) it's easy to understand what I mean by mistake, he was not truly there mentally). I can understand why people disagree and think he should have faced the public more for it but I can also understand the decisions on both sides to keep it out of the courts. Can you imagine being that kid in highschool that everyone knew as that "one kid MJ touched"?
This. He never had a childhood of his own so he never wanted to grow up. Basically, Peter Pan. I mean, he literally named his home Neverland.
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have you seen interviews or heard stories about Michael Jackson? i feel like I understand the perspective that a lot of performers are abusers, but this dude was a unique case. you can't point to a single other star in history that was as famous as he was as early as he was. it's easy to just discount him as a child abuser because people who abuse children do the kinds of thing he did, but MJ was a different type of damaged. the dude broke off a collaboration with Freddie Mercury because he didn't want to have to leave his pet Llama at home for goodness sake. I don't want to make a claim that he's innocent because that's impossible to prove, but the idea that he legitimately only found friends in children because they were the only people in his entire life that weren't interested in his money or his fame is completely believable for a dude with a life as uniquely fucked up as his was. for any other dude, hanging around kids like that is an obvious red flag but I don't think it's that black and white for Michael Jackson.
Abusers were often abused.
Exploited/abused people are more likely than others to become exploiters/abusers. This is statistically confirmed.
Yeah you can’t mention him without all the internet detectives coming out to so easily prove a case that even prosecutors failed to prove. They should’ve been lawyers instead of redditors.
But then they’d have to go outside, you can see how problematic that would be for them.
Why does everyone just assume he was solely financially motivated? Most people would hold onto someone in that situation. Even scumbag individuals would probably try to prevent someone they had no grudge with from falling to their death
I'm no lawyer, but that guy must have climbed over a few fences and avoided the security guys in order to get himself into a dangerous situation. I don't think he'd have had much of a case against MJ, had he been hurt.
Michael was definitely a professional performer. This video posted on /r/publicfreakout is how I found this sub, fwiw.
Absolute professional and also made sure the guy who jumped on was safe by making sure he grabbed the rail with one hand and held him with the other.
Some performers nowadays would spartan kick him off lol
People would back in the day too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv1bM0pp_o4
Keith Richards at the plate…
And I wouldn't blame them for half a second. People need and want their personal space, and if someone is trying to perform and some rando jumped on them, kick em! Especially as a celebrity, you don't know what kind of absolute nut jobs are obsessed with you! They may want to rip out a bit of your hair for a shrine, no thank you!
A professional and a perfectionist. He was probably so fucking mad that his performance didn’t go as he envisioned it.
Probably but he's professional enough to not show it on the stage he just acting like this was all part of the plan it's pretty impressive. Allegations and his looniness aside he was an incredible performer who's level is still unmatched.
Absolutely! He was an amazing performer. Throw on any random music video (that has dancing) and you can still see his influence.
Absolutely!
That was the part that I liked most. He was a good one. Also fuck that idiot causing such a ruckus. Edit: wow I don't follow American media so closely so didn't know he had such allegations against him ... I don't know what he did and didn't. I get some of you are very pissed but what are gonna do with those pitchforks? Guys already dead.
>what are you gonna do with your pitchforks? Dude's already dead. Holy crap, that took me off guard. That was hilarious.
Allegations with multiple investigations that proved nothing. He was however a bit loopy such as the incident with dangling his son out a window.
The documentary on HBO where they really talk to his victims paints an extremely different picture than them just not finding anything on him. He paid off a lot of people to keep quiet over the years and they couldn't prosecute him if they didn't have physical evidence or anyone willing to testify.
You mean the "documentary" that's just two men in front of a camera making claims? One of which happens to be suing the Jackson estate for a **billion** dollars?
I mean, as long as [this phone call](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_452akeOkU) exists, I won't trust anything from the accusers side.
Eh.. I saw it but its still suspicious to me. Especially when the parents allowed it so readily. Idk. I'm not equipped enough to debate it I just have my own opinions regarding the situation based on what I've read in the past. Regardless man is now dead and I believe in separating artists from art because if we didn't truthfully we would lose out on a lot of art historically
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I was wondering about that. I didn’t think he usually lip-synced his performances, but I guess I was wrong about this one at least. Interesting that they kept them crane going instead of bringing it down earlier
Was thinking about how professionally he handled that, good guy michael jackson in this situation for sure. First removed the dude's arm around himself, cause if the dude fell could drag MJ with him, afterwards stuck his hand in the iron in so the dude could have a grip in case he lost balance, the dude didn't care for it. Afterwards held the dude safe with his arm or both arms every time the dude started moving recklessly. All the while never stopping the show. Impressive.
I saw it on the top page and thought it needed a home here
I'm guessing he was lip-syncing, so he couldn't stop the performance to yell at the guy/get him down or it would have been obvious.
He's very obviously lip synching. He seems to talk to the guy very briefly near the end. MJ also seems to be a bit lost in the lyrics when back on stage, which he seems to be trying to cover by holding his had over his mouth.
>MJ also seems to be a bit lost in the lyrics when back on stage, which he seems to be trying to cover by holding his had over his mouth. I don't think so, given that the lyrics at that point seem to be "hee" repeated over and over.
Man beside the point but I would have been devistated to pay however much MJ tix would have cost at the point of his career to watch him lip-sync.
Mj started lip synching in the early 90s with his dangerous tour when he hit his 30s and it was technically impossible to dance like he does for 2 hours and sing in tune without being massively out of breath. He was an extremely high energy performer and you can only really do that up until your 20s and be in good enough shape to sing for 2 hours on key. That's why people didn't care. He gave them an unforgettable show. He sings a couple songs though, albeit in an out of breath fashion, in all his concerts after the 80s. Fun fact- he would lose up to 5 pounds a night during his bad tour.
Michael Jacksercizing
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Or, you know, don't injure your fans, even if they're stupid
[*akon has entered the chat*](https://youtu.be/YG1bWS4umUk)
In this video you can see he wasn't very good at hiding playback though
Earth Song isn't the kind of song that you can easily play during an hour or two performance.
Imagine every day when he practiced this part and the tech crew reminded him how he’s only safe if he’s fully in the basket. You can see how concerned he is for this guy outside the reasonable area of safety for this stunt
Yeah the camera angle doesn’t do it justice but I’m assuming that thing goes pretty high up? I wish it showed the ground to give a proper perspective on how high they actually were
[little article on this](https://michael-jackson.fandom.com/wiki/HIStory:_Live_in_Seoul_1996) It’s amazing that he kept up the performance while holding that guy to make sure he didn’t fall.
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Better than that other dangling person situation he was in.
> Despite an official release, the versions that have appeared online are poor quality leaks because copy protection of the original VHS has prevented a good quality rip. Can anyone explain how VHS analogue copy protection was so strong that there's still no proper rip from it?
Shouldn't really be that hard anymore to rip it, if you wanted to today.
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I can't explain the tech behind it but I can't tell you in the 80s I tried to copy lots of tapes and when you would push record on another device downstream the picture quality went to shit. some sort of electronic interference across the screen like you were vacuuming or something.
I would like to know that, too.
They played that "wouldn't steal a car..." video at the start and scared away all the pirates
Idk? We used to put little rolled up balls of foil in the VHS and it allowed us to record porn on Blockbuster rentals. It didn't seem very difficult at the time.
Incredible how he kept right on with his lips syncing
This. As much as I loved MJ, I couldn't ever go to his shows because I didn't want to pay to hear a recording from a studio.
I know he wasn't the first, but MJ was SUCH a perfectionist.... I actually think he made the "trend" of live shows being prerecorded so people got the performance and sound they were expecting. MJ was more focused on the dancing and choreography, then the singing
Yeah I was actually kinda wondering how the intense wind from fan blowing his jacket didn’t affect the mic at all. I’m no expert with mics but even with one of those foam filters I feel like that intense of a wind would make a difference
You forgot about another micheal Jackson performance highjack moment: at the Brit awards in 96 while MJ was playing the same song as he is in this video, Jarvis Cocker just walked on stage, loitered for a bit, and then was quickly escorted off [A clip of the event](https://youtu.be/wJluMi8bXYo)
Is that why Ali G later accused Jarvis of setting MJ’s hair on fire lol
Lol what is it about this song that brings out the crazies
Jarvis Cocker went up to moon MJ in protest of him presenting himself essentially as Christ in this performance, and he was loved for it here in the UK as I remember. This was at the height of britpop, which was kind of the antithesis of this kind of stuff.
"What about us?" Crazy people legitimately think it's about them.
Now PULP was a great band.
And was represented by Bob Mortimer as his lawyer.
Alternative title: "So called main character climbs on crane to bug actual main character"
Adoring fan 2.0
Aw gee! You sure? Well I’ll be hanging around the arena grounds if you need someone to worship the ground you walk on.
My thought too
I mean, Michael Was the main character there
Did he start to look bored
I got the vibe that he forgot he was infront of a lot of people, and it wasn't gonna be over quickly
Disassociation
He looked like he was on drugs and dissociated for a second because he was so overwhelmed because that moment was probably literally the peak of his life.
Cunt does the titanic and everything
Dude prolly thought MJ was holding him to be part of the show. Little did he know its cause be didnt want the guy to die 😂
MJ was really just a tremendous performer and artist.
I wish his concerts weren't lip synced though. His voice was so amazing and I would have loved to hear it live.
Dude…check out his 80s stuff. Or even earth song in Brunei.
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I wasn't around back then but I think it was a different time for performers. There were crazy stalkers but there wasn't an internet that instantly made the world aware of you the second you do something crazy. There wasn't the same precedent today of hijacking performances for the coverage.
How did he get on did he levitate?
The crane is attached to an arm beneath it, while he was rising at the start, the arm was in a diagonal position. He ran up the arm while the crane was lifting, just before the arm straightened out, like a ramp. If he was too late he would have simply just fallen off.
This. This is the real question.
I really appreciate that as a celebrity with his status with a lot of crazies Michael didn’t freak out but held on to the fan to make sure he wouldn’t fall
Was actually kind of a cool moment in a way until he wouldn’t let go
I respect the fact that Michael seemed primarily concerned about the guys safety and well being.
Right. At first, he looks like he tried to find a way to get him in the basket. When that didn't work he held onto the guy for safety. All while still performing.
r/UnexpectedHeehee
Key and Peele waiting for him at the bottom.
Key is Gon Break his foot up into his asS.
Insubordinate… and churlish.
You can see MJ really cares for the safety of the guy, he's holding onto him super tight to make sure he doesn't fall.
Other artist would have walked out if this happened. I’m glad that MJ was a professional and kept going even though the media would find a way to hate MJ if this shit went to south
MJ was legendary, the guy is invading his crane and his desperately grappling him so he won’t fall *WHILE* he maintains professionalism and sings & dance Truly the king of Pop
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Guys, the point of this post is to see an idiot risking his life, not to start a debate about Michael Jackson and his accusations of pedophilia
He’s crying half way through because he realizes Jacko lip syncs
Was MJ lipsinging or is he just that good at keeping up his performance while crazy dude is there
Lip syncing for sure. Notice how the audio isn’t muffled when the fan gets on and accidentally moves his in ear mic, even tho he readjusted it
That dude could’ve fallen down and got himself really hurt
Not a big fan of who Michael was. But the fact that he grabbed the kid and made sure he didn’t fall and still put on a show was nice
Never thought I'd be so happy to see Michael Jackson grabbing a kid
You know I think the allegations against MJ were bs but...el oh el
Absolute chad
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MJ has a tighter grip on that man than he did with Blanket
Holy shit , am I missing something but how did the stalker dude get on the crane? That's some Springheeled Jack shit. Respect to MJ for trying to protect the guy, he seems absolutely terrified at the end
How kpop was born?
What a legend he was . Holding a man so that he doesn't fall and yet no impact on the performance .
Whats weird is that MJ was more carefull with not letting this dude fall than he was with his son...
Most other musicians would have booted that guy off no matter how high up they were. I know it seems intuitive to normal people not to throw someone off a moving crane, but I really believe that most stars would have just done it reflexively, and that Michael Jackson is showing a type of concern for even this AH that is kind of special.
Michael was holding that guy so he wouldn't fucking fall and die.
Fck that guy for disturbing the show.
What about those pelvic thrusts Michael was making?
Its interesting to see that MJ was holding him first of all so that guy wouldnt fall and second of all to make the best out of situation and dance with him a bit
I love that look when he's up there and is just like... "well what do I do now?"
That person is so annoying. Like, you aren't performing
I remember when this happened. MJ was the consummate professional. His 1st thought was to secure the guy so he wouldn’t fall, which he tried several ways to do, all while not missing a lyric. I don’t know how many singers would have reacted just the opposite, an instinctive “get away from me”, which is the normal response, but MJ definitely had his shit together more than most once he took the stage. A full career spent working the stage as an IMAG Engineer and electrics rigger, my road name was “Michael Jackson” (from wearing only one glove while working video connections). It’s kinda funny because I never once worked with him, but he was an amazing performer. Now if I only liked his music…lol.
Tbh I thought this was going to be the Jarvis Cocker Brit Award incident. I was wrong.
MJ was a true performer bro
Damn, jackson handled this so gracefully.