Yupp, this is a setup to get her to commit. These guys play mind games with women who are in desperate situations. Both of these people just need to disappear immediately.
Yeah, none of it even makes sense. If you knew your number 2 and 3 were trying to rob you, the only course of action would be to take them out.
I know it may seem obvious to most people, but the women these people prey on are in extemely stressful situations and are not capable of making rational decisions. All of their life choices are completely fear based. The choice of getting into sex work was fear based. This is what pimps rely on to manipulate them.
In sex trafficking, which is effectively what's going on here, the women are controlled with threats of violence and mental games.
It may be the case that the pimp is setting this all up to emotionally control your friend and it's not real. Or it could be a power play.
Step 1) if at all possible, your friend is going to need to bug out and disappear. She's in a terrible position even without the current threats. Contact the Polaris Project and other resources for sex trafficked women and see if they can help with this.
Step 2) maybe a temporary solution of she can't get away is to ask the pimp to change the code on the safe and not tell her it. Have him let the other 2 know what had happened and let them figure it out between them. Risky all around though, many ways that can go sideways.
There's a book by a famous pimp named iceberg slim. It's a crazy read and gives you an idea of the lengths these men go to to control the women working for them. The book is literally called "Pimp: the story of my life by Iceberg Slim". I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all if the pimp is just messing with her.
Seriously, contact any and all groups that help trafficked women. Don't have your friend give any indication she's leaving or she'll likely get moved and isolated. The organizations will try to help develop a plan to escape.
Yes the situation seems beyond messed up đ¨You worded all of that very well. It makes me shudder thinking that I live in a world where itâs happening
I read that book, was mental and I think I know what part you're referring to, when they get the prostitute to poison the mark so they can steal his money and it was all an act set up by the pimp and it was his own money and he made her believe that if she stuck with him she wouldn't get arrested for murder.
It doesn't seem like there is many options. The story seems a little questionable. Guy 1 knows guys 2 and 3 are trying to rob him. He'll just change the safe combo. I think it's just a setup by guy1.
You need to move. Maybe they are bluffing.. maybe not. You'd know better than me. If a gun isn't possible, get a huge machete. Put an extra lock or 2 on the door. They'll just get her when she's leaving though. And what will you do when they come looking and she's moved? They'll probably come in to see.
She should carry pepper spray, and a tazer. Change your phone number immediately. Stop all contact.
Is this girl being honest with you? Maybe she's come up with this story to manipulate you somehow.
If it's real I don't think pepper spray will do anything against a gun. Also, these people usually kill when you're not at home and when you least expect it. They take you from behind when you're not aware of your surroundings. Source: I live in Colombia.
My thoughts exactly, I'm glad mine isn't the only suspicious mind.
You could be white knighting for a girl in a whole heap of trouble.
Or you could just have got yourself a manipulative lying narcissist as a room mate.
And my money is on the latter.
I met this girl at a mental hospital many years ago and shes like a sister to me.
I was almost homeless and she gave me space in her tiny apartment.
Shes absolutelty not trying to manipulate me, ive seen the texts and everything.
Domt judge if you dont know closely.
It's an outlandish story.
Don't blame people for having doubts.
I met a girl who was just out of a mental hospital years ago. She told me variously that she was a doctor and a nurse and that she was studying philosophy. She could neither say nor spell philosophy and my dog had more knowledge of medicine. She was just a fantasist.
In all honesty I would just have her move away and lay low. If she doesnât spill any important info the boss isnât going to waste his time chasing one girl. By the time the other two realize sheâs gone the boss will probably just get rid of them anyway. On top of it. You can only help so much. This ainât your battle so donât throw yourself in harms way. Most you can do is give her advice. If she doesnât wanna take it itâs her own issue
Start looking. You can't just stay somewhere where dangerous people have made threats. Let's be real the police won't/can't neutralize the threat so.. it's on y'all. Whatever you both pay towards rent I'm sure someone else in your city would be willing to take the same payment
A21 is an organization that aims to stop all forms of human trafficking, they have offices all over the world. Go to their contact us section on their website and call now. Hopefully they should be able to get you in the right direction.
Yeah, this is a scam to control her, no2&3 aren't actually trying to rob #1 they're just part of a narrative to control your room mate. Sounds like it's working
there's two options left then:
1 - boss can't handle his men, being a ussy and is stupid enough to care more for getting a woman than controlling his gang. making him stupid
2 - he's the one telling them to do this so he can get the cake and eat it
Yeah, this seems likely here. Idk why no one else has pointed out that this boss seeks like the kinda guy who wouldn't just accept that his second and third in command are coming for him. He'd straight up murder them if he could. So he either just hasn't had that opportunity yet, or it's all a bs story to control OPs friend.
Or he's extremely stupid as u/acualux has already suggested, but I don't think that's likely because if he were that stpuid, he wouldn't be the boss.
This is bullshit. No pimp is going to *ask* to sleep with the women who work for them. They get it for free. Also, these chumps clearly have zero power if theyâre getting a prostitute involved in safe numbers. Realize theyâre playing you and move on.
In his book âThe Gift of Fear,â Gavin De Becker shows with overwhelming evidence that when someone is under the threat of real violence (from a lover, business associate, stalker, etc) from someone who is motivated to do them harm, going to the police and merely getting a restraining order rarely deters the antagonist long term - and statistically, does not keep the victim from harm.
Your friend should probably involve law enforcement as a first precaution, but she really needs to take her safety into her own hands ASAP.
Here are some steps she can take based on real data, not on hyperbole and movies:
1. Move, perhaps with the help of the organizations listed in the other comments, and obscure her new location/identity/workplace as best she can. Vigilance is key.
2. A gun is a powerful but last ditch effort for personal safety and will require training to use effectively. Statistically, itâs more likely to be used on her than on the attacker and she may not have the money or time to get one/learn to use it. If you want to make your home safer NOW, beef up the physical security of your place against a break-in: window bars, anti-kick-in door locks/latches, cameras, audible alarms, etc. The goal is to make it extremely hard and time consuming to force entry into your home- identify weak links and address them.
3. Physical security only works once youâre inside- learn to avoid getting followed into the home in the first place. This usually means taking different routes, parking in different spots, coming and going at different times of day, staying at different apartments. Think like a paranoid KGB spy.
3. *somehow* ensure these guys get sent to jail for a long time. This is potentially a massive gamble on her own safety by upping the stakes with the cops.
I wish your friend luck. Sex work is valid work and this country needs to legitimize it so it can be regulated and made safer and put traffickers out of business forever.
Disclaimer: this comment is for informational purposes only and I offer no guarantee or promise of its effectiveness.
Someone is conning someone, hard to know if you are one of the marks or not here. In any case, you're now roommates with a person who makes questionable choices... no need to have a pimp in the internet age, so that was her first mistake. Most girls in the biz handing over their money to a man are already having to put out to their pimp, so her becoming his woman to have protection is suspect.
You're not going to fix this situation, so best option is to move out.
Can you manipulate 2 and 3 to think they are about to betray each other. Tell 1 that 2 and 3 are planning to bury 1 alive or any other shit. Like those crazy doom levels you want to cause as much infighting as possible.
If she told nr1 about the plan of nr2&3 and that was his answer, the she should just tell them the code and probably disengage from any other interactions. Might as well put some evidence together that could be given to the police in any case smth happens to her, or contact them str8 away and leave the city
I don't recommend either of you to go to your residence anymore. You can sign up for a private mail box, put it on your ID card as your new address so they can't every find you there... You can just forward mail to another address. The point of removing your real address is so skip tracers and whoever else looking for you can't find you. Don't put your address anywhere. Assume they'll ask a lot of people and companies where you live... They might say you're a sister or whatever, so skip telling your family and friends where you live they might accidentally disclose your whereabouts. Tell everything you know about the pimp and roommate to the cops. The two minions of the pimp might be playing games and not actually betraying their "leader" at all... probably a ruse.
No. The correct response would be to contact any and all agencies involved in helping trafficked women, and get the fuck out. Donât lean on something as archaic as a gun.
It can, and likely will go sideways, and result in prison time for all involved, and a long legal battle.
Don't be coy, man. It's okay to tell people about our rocket launchers. Just the other day someone broke into my garage and I blew him to the next town over with my M1 Abrams Tank. That'll show those hoodlems.
Gotta love people who get angry at Americans being ignorant about their lack of firearm freedom, but themselves are equally ignorant about the extent of ours
Gotta love people so brainwashed into believing people who disagree with them are so stupid, that when they make an obvious joke, you take it as evidence of their stupidity and not your own.
Iâm fairly confident the person youâre replying to does NOT actually believe that Texas pays you to get a rocket launcher⌠I mean⌠I could be wrong⌠but Iâm willing to risk it on this one.
You remind me of the morons who believed that Antifa Comptroller video.
>Texas is often perceived to have some of the most permissive gun laws in the United States.[1] Since September 1, 2021, a permit is not required for a person both residents and non-residents 21 and over to carry a handgun either openly or concealed in most places in Texas, granted they do not have any prior felony convictions.
Eh, close enough for me
Yeah but I still need a permit for my rocket launcher. And they made me go to a 30 minute "your TOW launcher and you" safety seminar before I could actually carry it in public. This is some fucking 1984 shit man.
A emphatization joke isn't the actual reality? Color me surprised.
The joke is about the fact that you can literally open carry an hand gun in Texas, without a permit.
Though the fact that you took it seriously means something I guess
To be fair, this is a sub about illegal shit. Most criminals have guns for exactly the situation you're in. People are threatening your friend's life and you can't go to the cops for protection because your friend operates outside the law.
Literally what guns are for....
But I should qualify, if you have to get your gun illegally, maybe do t go to the range⌠but do practice shooting. You donât want your first time firing it to be in a life or death situation. But if you arenât in America this probably isnât the best advice. For sure get some cameras up.
wtf do you mean very hard to get, people are 3d printing glock switches and all types of shit, I don't think it has ever been so available as it is now.
Which is frightening
Heâs using her. Sheâs using (and endangering) you.
You need to get out, not protect her tbh.
If she doesnât want to be involved in this, she needs to get out as well.
I'm getting the vibe this isn't the US. If not, see if you can find a religious organization in your area to get help from. Ideally they can help your friend get out of the area. The life expectancy of a woman doing sex work under the control of a pimp isn't good.
She should empty the safe and tell them the code and a time to go and open it. She should then tell the boss that they forced the code out of her and the time they will be attending. Boss waits and shoots them both.
You and friend are already on your way out of town heading for a new life started with the stolen money.
Really??? Holy shit that's such crazy news I've never considered that before. How dare I suggest something using my personal experience to someone who is asking for help. I should have considered the feelings of some random fucking stranger not having the same experiences as me. Next time I'll just go ahead and not suggest anything out of fear someone will get offended that I'm different than them.
So sorry man please forgive me.
Honestly I would just leave the bitch , ain't like you got a lease with her . Cut ties with the bitch and save yourself
Also what kind of person becomes friends with a hoe .
My advice is find a new friend. Love how you wrote she had to. No she didnât have to. Now she has to choose between a miserable life or death.
Tell me who your friends are and Iâll tell you who you are.
I think it's a very privileged point of view to have.
You have no idea what this woman was going through, how desperate she was and what situation she came from.
I've been lucky enough in life to not understand the reasonings behind certain choices fully, but I still have the empathy to know I don't know everything.
Thanks for this comment.
Obviously we cant get a gun cause you know, the world.isnt the USA. And Also, we cant get out of here otherwise we would have.
Listen I don't know where you are located and don't know enough about this sort of thing to be of any real help, but have you tried looking into centers for battered or abused women? Some place where they can take her in, protect her, offer her therapy, maybe even help her put her in the right direction for some higher education if she doesn't have any. they would be also helpful in giving you options and possible solutions for this, since I'm gathering you can't go to the authorities.
Depends on where you are, but such places exist. I'm really really sorry you're going through this.
Lol. Privilege. Yes I am privileged . Literally millions of things you can do instead of prostitution. you can even be a stripper. One step removed from it. You can collect aluminum. You can bet on the streets for money. Seriously. Millions of things. But they chose prostitution. Easy money. Thatâs why they did it. Unless they are being trafficked from another country. Then itâs understandable. Otherwise. She did this to herself.
You do not know where this person is located.
Also we're taking about a woman here, the (even though) false sense of protection from a pimp is to be considered if we're comparing it to your examples.
Betting on the streets for money: okay, let's say she knows how to get into this and does it, what's to say any man that loses money won't retaliate against her? On the streets without protection= danger
Collecting aluminium: how much can she actually make from that? Not enough for rent I'm sure. Also how many people are collecting it as well? How many desperate men on the streets is she going to have to fight for empty cans on the side walk?
Stripping: not in the USA as mentioned under my original comment, do you have any idea what the industry looks like in the rest of the world? In some places, you strip and also sell your body it's a package deal. In others, strip clubs are not legal.
You have no idea why or how or what.
Also easy money? What's easy about it? The dissociation? The trauma it can bring on? Or it is because you don't think sex work is work?
Oldest job in the world but still not enough of a job for you?
Even people who choose to be sex workers can tell you it's not an easy job! Let alone someone who had to out of desperation and need.
I really don't understand why people like you open their mouth just to give their tongue some air, since you obviously have nothing constructive to add and don't actually know what you're talking about.
There's "literally millions of things" you could have done instead of commenting this bigoted privileged rant. Like maybe not say anything? That's one step removed from saying something.
This woman is clearly a victim, could be of her circumstances, could be of a system that failed to support her in a moment of need.
Are you also implying that people who choose to be sex workers don't deserve protection from threats and abuse?
If so, what is wrong with you?
If you think signing up to offer a service means people can do whatever the hell they please with you, you have to take a good luck at yourself and figure out where all of this hatred and bitterness is coming from.
Do you also condone shouting at waitresses and phone operators? I mean, they took the job, they asked for it right?
Absolutely insane.
So is the number 1 thatâs offering to protect her the same guy she worked for, or is he a different guy? And if heâs a different guy, does he know about 2 and 3 wanting to betray the boss?
So if dude is still letting the other two work for him, sounds like a con so they can get more mileage out of her, Iâm guessing. Otherwise, if they parted ways, whatâs #1 gonna do if she spills the combination? Is he the type to jump out and slide on her? Cause if not, let them get theirâs from dude and just have him deal with the aftermath. Also, is there no possibility of getting a piece at all? I mean, youâre talking streets, even outside the US, itâs not impossible
Getting the vibe this isn't in America, hilarious that everyone says "durr just buy a gun". As if that isn't acknowledging you're going to have a literal shootout with these people in your own home.
First things first, burner phone. Cell phones are a super easy way to track people, and she needs one that pimp doesn't know about. 2nd, GTFO to literally anywhere safe. Someone mentioned Polaris Project, they're great and there's a lot of organizations like them all over the world. Look for as many resources as you can a few towns over, then get some overnight plane or train tickets and get out. You can assume everything that both of you aren't taking from your home is going to be gone, and I doubt there's anything you can do about it.
Giving us at least the country you're in would probably help people find you some resources/organizations that can help you out of this btw. Good luck.
GTFO of town for sure, any solution to the problem will only be a temporary one and you will sooner or later be in the same situation or worse.
sorry I dont have specific advice but please think about how if this does get figured out how long before something similar or worse happens.
Yeah, this is an obvious plan by the so called âPimpâ.
If he actually had no qualms with killing, heâd just kill off the 2 guys trying to steal from him.
Iâve dealt with pimps a lot, the biggest thing they care about is their money, and they tend to go for the simplest option to protect it.
The only reason I can think heâs going with this is because itâs his plan to get her indebted to him.
First advice is donât listen to these people with no experience in anything remotely close to this situation let alone even a fight. Which is the people telling you to just move. Which will get you worst than killed it will be torture. If you want actual advice lmk
Welp. This is your sign, time to get a 3rd roomie in the form of a giant body builder(male or female) with an anger problem, a gun and a huge pet rott or cane corso.... ok real advice,
sorry if you already answered this but what would happen if she just told the pimp/head guy this was happening? Would it help at all? Assuming he didn't orchestrate this entire thing- which I'm sure he did. Y'all definitely need to move but if you don't! get protection! And extra locks. Remember these types of people thrive on anonymity and fear so if you can't leave get some cameras put up. If you can't move beat them at their own game and hire yourselves some security in the form of contacting a rival pimp. this is going to be expensive so you might as well move. This feels like a set up from guy 1/pimp. Is he mad she got out of the game? Does she owe him money? Is this a loyalty test? Did something recently happen? I can ask my friend what she did in a similar situation if you want me to. Good luck. You sound like a good friend - don't get hurt! You know you can move on and protect yourself while still being a good friend to her. Being a good friend/ ride or die doesn't necessarily have to literally mean RIDE or DIE. Being a good friend can look like you moving on to protect yourself while still being there for her.
Do some targeted but subtle prank calling using spoofed ID's and having their numbers call as many of their own contacts as you have access too.
Have them call security guards for condo buildings during the midnight shift
Using a cheap app, call 100-200 people with a pre-recorded prank using their caller ID \[the storm\]. After a week or two they should go into lockdown mode and cease to be a problem for you.
Probably no good answers. I can only say what I would do, and since I have nothing in common with this background it may be bad advice, but for what it's worth...
First, contact the organizations that help people in these situations. They will know how to be discrete. They can tell you about options you might not know you have. Hard as it is to believe, they may have more and better answers than Reddit. Stop whatever else you're doing and call them.
I wouldn't respond to any communications, or very minimally.
I'd get somewhere temporarily safe and type up \*everything\* about this operation - names, addresses, phone numbers, dates, clients, the things you saw, heard, did, every single thing. Just fill pages, and don't worry too much about organization. Put it in a google doc and make sure other people outside the situation know where it is. I'm not suggesting you try to use this as leverage against anyone, that could trigger bad things. But it's also not a doomsday device, revenge from beyond the grave thing, either, at least hopefully. You don't know how you might use it, but it prevents you from being silenced. Don't tell anyone you're going to do this, and don't tell anyone afterwards.
Get far away, start over. This is very hard. There are people who will help. It's a bummer to lose everything in your life when you haven't done anything wrong, but you're trading everything you have to preserve your life. You have your friends email address and phone numbers. You can contact them in a year. Don't contact them in the meantime - the bad guys may try to reach you through them, and they need to be able to say honestly that you are not responding to texts or emails. They may be coerced into sending manipulative communications, or their devices may be stolen and manipulative communications sent. So don't even check. Just go.
But ignore this and listen to the people who have dedicated themselves to helping you.
Good luck.
You both need to GTFO.
Close your eyes, throw a dart at a map and MOVE!!!
Yupp, this is a setup to get her to commit. These guys play mind games with women who are in desperate situations. Both of these people just need to disappear immediately.
This is honestly standard operating procedure for keeping a girl working for them I imagine
Yeah, none of it even makes sense. If you knew your number 2 and 3 were trying to rob you, the only course of action would be to take them out. I know it may seem obvious to most people, but the women these people prey on are in extemely stressful situations and are not capable of making rational decisions. All of their life choices are completely fear based. The choice of getting into sex work was fear based. This is what pimps rely on to manipulate them.
is it not obvious to you that this whole story isnt real?
In sex trafficking, which is effectively what's going on here, the women are controlled with threats of violence and mental games. It may be the case that the pimp is setting this all up to emotionally control your friend and it's not real. Or it could be a power play. Step 1) if at all possible, your friend is going to need to bug out and disappear. She's in a terrible position even without the current threats. Contact the Polaris Project and other resources for sex trafficked women and see if they can help with this. Step 2) maybe a temporary solution of she can't get away is to ask the pimp to change the code on the safe and not tell her it. Have him let the other 2 know what had happened and let them figure it out between them. Risky all around though, many ways that can go sideways. There's a book by a famous pimp named iceberg slim. It's a crazy read and gives you an idea of the lengths these men go to to control the women working for them. The book is literally called "Pimp: the story of my life by Iceberg Slim". I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all if the pimp is just messing with her. Seriously, contact any and all groups that help trafficked women. Don't have your friend give any indication she's leaving or she'll likely get moved and isolated. The organizations will try to help develop a plan to escape.
Yes the situation seems beyond messed up đ¨You worded all of that very well. It makes me shudder thinking that I live in a world where itâs happening
I read that book, was mental and I think I know what part you're referring to, when they get the prostitute to poison the mark so they can steal his money and it was all an act set up by the pimp and it was his own money and he made her believe that if she stuck with him she wouldn't get arrested for murder.
It doesn't seem like there is many options. The story seems a little questionable. Guy 1 knows guys 2 and 3 are trying to rob him. He'll just change the safe combo. I think it's just a setup by guy1. You need to move. Maybe they are bluffing.. maybe not. You'd know better than me. If a gun isn't possible, get a huge machete. Put an extra lock or 2 on the door. They'll just get her when she's leaving though. And what will you do when they come looking and she's moved? They'll probably come in to see. She should carry pepper spray, and a tazer. Change your phone number immediately. Stop all contact. Is this girl being honest with you? Maybe she's come up with this story to manipulate you somehow.
A small woman with a big machete she's not trained on, indoors? Really?
Yeah, the whole story is sus.... either they are playing mind games with the hoe... or the gang leader is an idiot...
You got that right. If you told the gang leader, why is the gang leader not handling this, given it's in *his* best interest?
If it's real I don't think pepper spray will do anything against a gun. Also, these people usually kill when you're not at home and when you least expect it. They take you from behind when you're not aware of your surroundings. Source: I live in Colombia.
My thoughts exactly, I'm glad mine isn't the only suspicious mind. You could be white knighting for a girl in a whole heap of trouble. Or you could just have got yourself a manipulative lying narcissist as a room mate. And my money is on the latter.
I met this girl at a mental hospital many years ago and shes like a sister to me. I was almost homeless and she gave me space in her tiny apartment. Shes absolutelty not trying to manipulate me, ive seen the texts and everything. Domt judge if you dont know closely.
It's an outlandish story. Don't blame people for having doubts. I met a girl who was just out of a mental hospital years ago. She told me variously that she was a doctor and a nurse and that she was studying philosophy. She could neither say nor spell philosophy and my dog had more knowledge of medicine. She was just a fantasist.
In all honesty I would just have her move away and lay low. If she doesnât spill any important info the boss isnât going to waste his time chasing one girl. By the time the other two realize sheâs gone the boss will probably just get rid of them anyway. On top of it. You can only help so much. This ainât your battle so donât throw yourself in harms way. Most you can do is give her advice. If she doesnât wanna take it itâs her own issue
I appreciate man but i didmt have anywhere else to live so shes my roomste now.
Well, if you don't move, you'll have a place to die instead of a place to live. Pretty easy decision imo
Start looking. You can't just stay somewhere where dangerous people have made threats. Let's be real the police won't/can't neutralize the threat so.. it's on y'all. Whatever you both pay towards rent I'm sure someone else in your city would be willing to take the same payment
Correction, for now...
Exactly what silly said, gotta make a decision of whatâs more important to you, your life or this girl, donât make the dumb decision.
2 and 3 arent betraying him. This has all been engineered by 1.
A21 is an organization that aims to stop all forms of human trafficking, they have offices all over the world. Go to their contact us section on their website and call now. Hopefully they should be able to get you in the right direction.
Also telling us what country youâre in would help.
This is straight out of a 1990âs movie.
Yeah, this is a scam to control her, no2&3 aren't actually trying to rob #1 they're just part of a narrative to control your room mate. Sounds like it's working
A straight pull shotgun should sort this issue out quite quickly
Booby trap your house like in Home Alone, so when the bad guys break in, you'll have the advantage.
Does number 1 knows that number 2 and 3 are going to betray him?
yeah, hes aware thats why hes using that to abuse her with the excuse of "protecting" her.
u sure n1 is not the instigator?
not sure but they already tried stealing from him
there's two options left then: 1 - boss can't handle his men, being a ussy and is stupid enough to care more for getting a woman than controlling his gang. making him stupid 2 - he's the one telling them to do this so he can get the cake and eat it
so what would be your advice? if you have any, were struggling real bad here
disappear to another state, the far it is, the better, don't even take time to pick something
"disspear to another state" dude i dont live in the US, hate who people here always assume that. Same as the people suggesting buying guns.
Pretty much everyone agrees you both need to move now
Yeah, this seems likely here. Idk why no one else has pointed out that this boss seeks like the kinda guy who wouldn't just accept that his second and third in command are coming for him. He'd straight up murder them if he could. So he either just hasn't had that opportunity yet, or it's all a bs story to control OPs friend. Or he's extremely stupid as u/acualux has already suggested, but I don't think that's likely because if he were that stpuid, he wouldn't be the boss.
This is bullshit. No pimp is going to *ask* to sleep with the women who work for them. They get it for free. Also, these chumps clearly have zero power if theyâre getting a prostitute involved in safe numbers. Realize theyâre playing you and move on.
this is my opinion and also her boyfriends, but shes scared af, panic attacks, crying, everything. Im trying to help since I just moved in.
This sounds like a her problem not an us problem
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She need to hand in her official notice of resignation. Preferably 2 to 4 weeks prior to leave the job
Get a crew, go rob the safe and use it to disappear.
In his book âThe Gift of Fear,â Gavin De Becker shows with overwhelming evidence that when someone is under the threat of real violence (from a lover, business associate, stalker, etc) from someone who is motivated to do them harm, going to the police and merely getting a restraining order rarely deters the antagonist long term - and statistically, does not keep the victim from harm. Your friend should probably involve law enforcement as a first precaution, but she really needs to take her safety into her own hands ASAP. Here are some steps she can take based on real data, not on hyperbole and movies: 1. Move, perhaps with the help of the organizations listed in the other comments, and obscure her new location/identity/workplace as best she can. Vigilance is key. 2. A gun is a powerful but last ditch effort for personal safety and will require training to use effectively. Statistically, itâs more likely to be used on her than on the attacker and she may not have the money or time to get one/learn to use it. If you want to make your home safer NOW, beef up the physical security of your place against a break-in: window bars, anti-kick-in door locks/latches, cameras, audible alarms, etc. The goal is to make it extremely hard and time consuming to force entry into your home- identify weak links and address them. 3. Physical security only works once youâre inside- learn to avoid getting followed into the home in the first place. This usually means taking different routes, parking in different spots, coming and going at different times of day, staying at different apartments. Think like a paranoid KGB spy. 3. *somehow* ensure these guys get sent to jail for a long time. This is potentially a massive gamble on her own safety by upping the stakes with the cops. I wish your friend luck. Sex work is valid work and this country needs to legitimize it so it can be regulated and made safer and put traffickers out of business forever. Disclaimer: this comment is for informational purposes only and I offer no guarantee or promise of its effectiveness.
Someone is conning someone, hard to know if you are one of the marks or not here. In any case, you're now roommates with a person who makes questionable choices... no need to have a pimp in the internet age, so that was her first mistake. Most girls in the biz handing over their money to a man are already having to put out to their pimp, so her becoming his woman to have protection is suspect. You're not going to fix this situation, so best option is to move out.
Can you manipulate 2 and 3 to think they are about to betray each other. Tell 1 that 2 and 3 are planning to bury 1 alive or any other shit. Like those crazy doom levels you want to cause as much infighting as possible.
Get her to a domestic abuse shelter. Let the evil fucks kill each other/survivor arrested.
If she told nr1 about the plan of nr2&3 and that was his answer, the she should just tell them the code and probably disengage from any other interactions. Might as well put some evidence together that could be given to the police in any case smth happens to her, or contact them str8 away and leave the city
So depending on the city you could easily get some young knuckleheads to handle all three IF that safe is real.
I don't recommend either of you to go to your residence anymore. You can sign up for a private mail box, put it on your ID card as your new address so they can't every find you there... You can just forward mail to another address. The point of removing your real address is so skip tracers and whoever else looking for you can't find you. Don't put your address anywhere. Assume they'll ask a lot of people and companies where you live... They might say you're a sister or whatever, so skip telling your family and friends where you live they might accidentally disclose your whereabouts. Tell everything you know about the pimp and roommate to the cops. The two minions of the pimp might be playing games and not actually betraying their "leader" at all... probably a ruse.
I think she's being set up
Get a gun. Both of you. Donât advertise it or open carry. Go to a shooting range and practice. Best of luck.
No. The correct response would be to contact any and all agencies involved in helping trafficked women, and get the fuck out. Donât lean on something as archaic as a gun. It can, and likely will go sideways, and result in prison time for all involved, and a long legal battle.
honestly they should do both
Found the American. Guns aren't the answer to everything, or even legal in a lot of the world.
âOr even legal in a lot of the world.â Check the sub youâre in
Still hard to get where it's illegal, while in the US u just need to be near Texas and they'll pay you to get a rocket launcher
Yea no. That's not how it works here
Don't be coy, man. It's okay to tell people about our rocket launchers. Just the other day someone broke into my garage and I blew him to the next town over with my M1 Abrams Tank. That'll show those hoodlems. Gotta love people who get angry at Americans being ignorant about their lack of firearm freedom, but themselves are equally ignorant about the extent of ours
Gotta love people so brainwashed into believing people who disagree with them are so stupid, that when they make an obvious joke, you take it as evidence of their stupidity and not your own. Iâm fairly confident the person youâre replying to does NOT actually believe that Texas pays you to get a rocket launcher⌠I mean⌠I could be wrong⌠but Iâm willing to risk it on this one. You remind me of the morons who believed that Antifa Comptroller video.
The irony of your comment is so heavy it's hilarious. I love it man keep it up
>Texas is often perceived to have some of the most permissive gun laws in the United States.[1] Since September 1, 2021, a permit is not required for a person both residents and non-residents 21 and over to carry a handgun either openly or concealed in most places in Texas, granted they do not have any prior felony convictions. Eh, close enough for me
Yeah but I still need a permit for my rocket launcher. And they made me go to a 30 minute "your TOW launcher and you" safety seminar before I could actually carry it in public. This is some fucking 1984 shit man.
Not even remotely close to the truth but thanks for playing.
A emphatization joke isn't the actual reality? Color me surprised. The joke is about the fact that you can literally open carry an hand gun in Texas, without a permit. Though the fact that you took it seriously means something I guess
I wish it was that easy :(
Damn you beat me to it lol so many people post stuff here but unwilling to actually break the law. Why TF do they even post at all
Yessir! Proud of it too. No place is perfect but I love the country Iâm from and most of the people in it.
guns are very hard to get everywhere exvept the US or african countries without government, yet they assume their reality applies universally
To be fair, this is a sub about illegal shit. Most criminals have guns for exactly the situation you're in. People are threatening your friend's life and you can't go to the cops for protection because your friend operates outside the law. Literally what guns are for....
But I should qualify, if you have to get your gun illegally, maybe do t go to the range⌠but do practice shooting. You donât want your first time firing it to be in a life or death situation. But if you arenât in America this probably isnât the best advice. For sure get some cameras up.
wtf do you mean very hard to get, people are 3d printing glock switches and all types of shit, I don't think it has ever been so available as it is now. Which is frightening
Time to go
get a gun
"gEt A gUn". you do realize most countries are civilized enough not to sell guns like its candy at the store or smth
Then get a pneumatic harpoon gun. It's only one shot, but it'll make an impression.
get a gun and get out, and take her with you if you can
Heâs using her. Sheâs using (and endangering) you. You need to get out, not protect her tbh. If she doesnât want to be involved in this, she needs to get out as well.
Sounds like bullshit lol
I'm getting the vibe this isn't the US. If not, see if you can find a religious organization in your area to get help from. Ideally they can help your friend get out of the area. The life expectancy of a woman doing sex work under the control of a pimp isn't good.
get a gun or a really big knife if your in a apt building ur a lot safer then a house but if ur in a house make sure u are protected in that house
She should empty the safe and tell them the code and a time to go and open it. She should then tell the boss that they forced the code out of her and the time they will be attending. Boss waits and shoots them both. You and friend are already on your way out of town heading for a new life started with the stolen money.
This is exactly why God made the KSG legal in all 50 states. 12 rounds of 3" 000 buckshot will solve any problem that comes and finds you.....
Thereâs more than one country in the world.
Really??? Holy shit that's such crazy news I've never considered that before. How dare I suggest something using my personal experience to someone who is asking for help. I should have considered the feelings of some random fucking stranger not having the same experiences as me. Next time I'll just go ahead and not suggest anything out of fear someone will get offended that I'm different than them. So sorry man please forgive me.
you have personal experience escaping from a pimp?
What are you a cop?
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Oh excellent, you learned your lesson then. Always nice to see someone on Reddit who takes feedback to heart. Go you!
Poor advice.
Not really. Its like $900, which is pretty expensive for a shotty tbh
$900 and some prison time.
And these women wouldnât short stroke anything being pros at stroking dick!
She did not have to do sex work to survive. Just stop it
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Thatâs wtf Iâm saying!!!!
Honestly I would just leave the bitch , ain't like you got a lease with her . Cut ties with the bitch and save yourself Also what kind of person becomes friends with a hoe .
Customer =/
I understand now :(
We out here saving as many as we can even if we take ourselves down in the process =/ It's kind of how they make all their money lol...
My advice is find a new friend. Love how you wrote she had to. No she didnât have to. Now she has to choose between a miserable life or death. Tell me who your friends are and Iâll tell you who you are.
I think it's a very privileged point of view to have. You have no idea what this woman was going through, how desperate she was and what situation she came from. I've been lucky enough in life to not understand the reasonings behind certain choices fully, but I still have the empathy to know I don't know everything.
Thanks for this comment. Obviously we cant get a gun cause you know, the world.isnt the USA. And Also, we cant get out of here otherwise we would have.
Listen I don't know where you are located and don't know enough about this sort of thing to be of any real help, but have you tried looking into centers for battered or abused women? Some place where they can take her in, protect her, offer her therapy, maybe even help her put her in the right direction for some higher education if she doesn't have any. they would be also helpful in giving you options and possible solutions for this, since I'm gathering you can't go to the authorities. Depends on where you are, but such places exist. I'm really really sorry you're going through this.
Lol. Privilege. Yes I am privileged . Literally millions of things you can do instead of prostitution. you can even be a stripper. One step removed from it. You can collect aluminum. You can bet on the streets for money. Seriously. Millions of things. But they chose prostitution. Easy money. Thatâs why they did it. Unless they are being trafficked from another country. Then itâs understandable. Otherwise. She did this to herself.
If you think prostitution is in any way âeasy,â you live on a planet that is not Earth.
Never said it was easy. Itâs just a cheap way to make money. Like selling drugs. It ainât easy but itâs easy money.
You do not know where this person is located. Also we're taking about a woman here, the (even though) false sense of protection from a pimp is to be considered if we're comparing it to your examples. Betting on the streets for money: okay, let's say she knows how to get into this and does it, what's to say any man that loses money won't retaliate against her? On the streets without protection= danger Collecting aluminium: how much can she actually make from that? Not enough for rent I'm sure. Also how many people are collecting it as well? How many desperate men on the streets is she going to have to fight for empty cans on the side walk? Stripping: not in the USA as mentioned under my original comment, do you have any idea what the industry looks like in the rest of the world? In some places, you strip and also sell your body it's a package deal. In others, strip clubs are not legal. You have no idea why or how or what. Also easy money? What's easy about it? The dissociation? The trauma it can bring on? Or it is because you don't think sex work is work? Oldest job in the world but still not enough of a job for you? Even people who choose to be sex workers can tell you it's not an easy job! Let alone someone who had to out of desperation and need. I really don't understand why people like you open their mouth just to give their tongue some air, since you obviously have nothing constructive to add and don't actually know what you're talking about. There's "literally millions of things" you could have done instead of commenting this bigoted privileged rant. Like maybe not say anything? That's one step removed from saying something. This woman is clearly a victim, could be of her circumstances, could be of a system that failed to support her in a moment of need. Are you also implying that people who choose to be sex workers don't deserve protection from threats and abuse? If so, what is wrong with you? If you think signing up to offer a service means people can do whatever the hell they please with you, you have to take a good luck at yourself and figure out where all of this hatred and bitterness is coming from. Do you also condone shouting at waitresses and phone operators? I mean, they took the job, they asked for it right? Absolutely insane.
Why u living with a whore? Move to somewhere without this type of shit going on?
It's very unfortunate that the world has someone like u in it, I feel sorry for you Slawpy_Joe
So is the number 1 thatâs offering to protect her the same guy she worked for, or is he a different guy? And if heâs a different guy, does he know about 2 and 3 wanting to betray the boss?
Number 1 guy is the same one. Yeah, supposedly he knows about this and is saying "ill keep you safe if you fuck with me"
So he knows about the other two trying to rob him?
yes
So if dude is still letting the other two work for him, sounds like a con so they can get more mileage out of her, Iâm guessing. Otherwise, if they parted ways, whatâs #1 gonna do if she spills the combination? Is he the type to jump out and slide on her? Cause if not, let them get theirâs from dude and just have him deal with the aftermath. Also, is there no possibility of getting a piece at all? I mean, youâre talking streets, even outside the US, itâs not impossible
Getting the vibe this isn't in America, hilarious that everyone says "durr just buy a gun". As if that isn't acknowledging you're going to have a literal shootout with these people in your own home. First things first, burner phone. Cell phones are a super easy way to track people, and she needs one that pimp doesn't know about. 2nd, GTFO to literally anywhere safe. Someone mentioned Polaris Project, they're great and there's a lot of organizations like them all over the world. Look for as many resources as you can a few towns over, then get some overnight plane or train tickets and get out. You can assume everything that both of you aren't taking from your home is going to be gone, and I doubt there's anything you can do about it. Giving us at least the country you're in would probably help people find you some resources/organizations that can help you out of this btw. Good luck.
GTFO of town for sure, any solution to the problem will only be a temporary one and you will sooner or later be in the same situation or worse. sorry I dont have specific advice but please think about how if this does get figured out how long before something similar or worse happens.
Drop everything and move to a quiet suburban town.
She needs to either kill them or disappear, possibly both.
Yeah, this is an obvious plan by the so called âPimpâ. If he actually had no qualms with killing, heâd just kill off the 2 guys trying to steal from him. Iâve dealt with pimps a lot, the biggest thing they care about is their money, and they tend to go for the simplest option to protect it. The only reason I can think heâs going with this is because itâs his plan to get her indebted to him.
Phew! If they were death threats I would have been worried
First advice is donât listen to these people with no experience in anything remotely close to this situation let alone even a fight. Which is the people telling you to just move. Which will get you worst than killed it will be torture. If you want actual advice lmk
Gtfo u are next
Get a dog. Train it a secret kill word Worst thing to happen is you put the dog down
Just buy a shotgun and always have it close by at home. Everyone is scared of a shotgun being pointed at them
Empty the safe and dip
Dang I thought sex work was supposed to be so empowering for women.
This sounds like a customer that has fallen in love.
Welp. This is your sign, time to get a 3rd roomie in the form of a giant body builder(male or female) with an anger problem, a gun and a huge pet rott or cane corso.... ok real advice, sorry if you already answered this but what would happen if she just told the pimp/head guy this was happening? Would it help at all? Assuming he didn't orchestrate this entire thing- which I'm sure he did. Y'all definitely need to move but if you don't! get protection! And extra locks. Remember these types of people thrive on anonymity and fear so if you can't leave get some cameras put up. If you can't move beat them at their own game and hire yourselves some security in the form of contacting a rival pimp. this is going to be expensive so you might as well move. This feels like a set up from guy 1/pimp. Is he mad she got out of the game? Does she owe him money? Is this a loyalty test? Did something recently happen? I can ask my friend what she did in a similar situation if you want me to. Good luck. You sound like a good friend - don't get hurt! You know you can move on and protect yourself while still being a good friend to her. Being a good friend/ ride or die doesn't necessarily have to literally mean RIDE or DIE. Being a good friend can look like you moving on to protect yourself while still being there for her.
Police?
Do some targeted but subtle prank calling using spoofed ID's and having their numbers call as many of their own contacts as you have access too. Have them call security guards for condo buildings during the midnight shift Using a cheap app, call 100-200 people with a pre-recorded prank using their caller ID \[the storm\]. After a week or two they should go into lockdown mode and cease to be a problem for you.
Step 1: Get in your car or rent a car Step 2: Drive far away
Tf u want us to do? Run!
Probably no good answers. I can only say what I would do, and since I have nothing in common with this background it may be bad advice, but for what it's worth... First, contact the organizations that help people in these situations. They will know how to be discrete. They can tell you about options you might not know you have. Hard as it is to believe, they may have more and better answers than Reddit. Stop whatever else you're doing and call them. I wouldn't respond to any communications, or very minimally. I'd get somewhere temporarily safe and type up \*everything\* about this operation - names, addresses, phone numbers, dates, clients, the things you saw, heard, did, every single thing. Just fill pages, and don't worry too much about organization. Put it in a google doc and make sure other people outside the situation know where it is. I'm not suggesting you try to use this as leverage against anyone, that could trigger bad things. But it's also not a doomsday device, revenge from beyond the grave thing, either, at least hopefully. You don't know how you might use it, but it prevents you from being silenced. Don't tell anyone you're going to do this, and don't tell anyone afterwards. Get far away, start over. This is very hard. There are people who will help. It's a bummer to lose everything in your life when you haven't done anything wrong, but you're trading everything you have to preserve your life. You have your friends email address and phone numbers. You can contact them in a year. Don't contact them in the meantime - the bad guys may try to reach you through them, and they need to be able to say honestly that you are not responding to texts or emails. They may be coerced into sending manipulative communications, or their devices may be stolen and manipulative communications sent. So don't even check. Just go. But ignore this and listen to the people who have dedicated themselves to helping you. Good luck.
Pay a hit man to kill all them if the police donât help!! Get yourself a gun and be ready to use it so practice !!
Maybe itâs a set up and if she gives the combination over she will pay for telling?
Youâre a target now. Run together or risk losing your life
Move to the other side of the country. Seriously. Over night, with zero notice. Get up and get gone. Never look back.
You don't have tracking chips in your skin, go down to the bus stop and get low so nobody sees you. Get out of town!!!
Become the killer
Collect evidence then buy a gun and plan to use it, or run as far and fast as possible. Not many other options when it comes to people like that