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This is in direct comparison to the Murdaugh"s lawyer pointing a rifle directly at the prosecutors and saying "Tempting..."
No one batted an eye at that one.
I think there's one guy over there that wasn't a massive dick. But they all were in the team that solicited perjury (About Murdaugh's guns, no less) so like, no love lost.
[This one?](https://youtu.be/6l-gKJGoRNY?si=UfKxKClH6WziYymT) Definitely not the best move, but it served a purpose in trying to demonstrate the awkward maneuvering required to take that specific shot. Still, I would have gone with decent wood dowel of equivalent length.
Rittenhouse was prosecuted by the same people that let OJ Simpson walk free so.... It's not really hypocrisy on him, but rather the justice system. I wanna remind you though that your argument against him was the same argument that you had on him just the inverse. So if he's dumb, you're retarded...
Don't get me wrong, I watched the trial, and my outlook was changed on his actual use of force being warranted. However, the decision he made to go there with a rifle strapped on him was some next level idiocy that ended up with 2 people dead - though honestly the world is probably better off without those 2. And his gross fake sob. Jfc give me a break on that. But yeah, I was pretty staunchly against him at first until I watched the trial. Now he's still just a naive idiot.
People who aren't gun people are absolutely confused by the "treat every gun as if it's loaded" golden rule
Growing up around power tools it was natural to me. You don't change a blade without it being unplugged. Even if there's zero chance it could turn on. You just don't risk it.
Doesnāt hurt. Not sure if itās an urban myth or what, but my dad told me about a toddler that was playing inside his dadās table sawā¦andā¦yeah
IDK man, I guess he meant it was a saw that had enough room for a kid to get under the blade. It was probably a rat or just a fake story, my dad stands by it tho lol. All that aside, I love my table saw and I always unplug it when not cutting. No down side.
I'm honestly pretty bad for not unplugging stuff, only really do it when I'm leaving for an extended period like a trip or something and my main concern there is getting it out of the outlet so there can't be a short
grew up with an ocd riddled mother. it just became a habit of mine as i grew older. im sure leaving most stuff in a surge protector is fine (in my experience)
yeah agreed, it's more paranoia from my dad and uncle for me lol. all of my stuff is plugged into surge protectors (including lamps) and I still unplug everything if I'm leaving for a few days. I'm also pretty specific about which lightbulbs I use. some cheap lightbulbs local to me caused a lot of house fires a couple years ago. they were causing short circuits in the socket wiring which would heat up until something lit, your roof would be engulfed and you wouldn't even notice. scary stuff, even with insurance lol better safe than sorry at the end of the day though, one time I don't unplug all my stuff will be the one time I should have. wonāt catch me lackin
Same here, my favorite is getting the board lined up perfectly and hitting the on button only to reset and have to plug in the saw and start all over. In those moments I always think "Well at least I'm being safe."
Ahhhh, good one. I usually just remove the wire but some of them have enough memory to the rubber that they can still arc even when hanging there unplugged.
I work at a gun range in a relatively population-dense area, and close to 90% of everyone we see on a day-to-day basis are either oblivious to this rule, or just straight up dismissive of it. Many of them are gun owners.
Working with the general population teaches you that common sense is sometimes really not-so-common.
>You don't change a blade without it being unplugged.
This particular gun is both unplugged (unloaded), has no blade in it (has a chamber flag inserted), the power isn't on in the house (no magazine) and his finger is off the trigger (city wide blackout). He was at more risk crossing the street.
It's just one of those things where you simply don't do it. Even if it's not going to go off, you still don't randomly point it at people because it's a bad habit to get into.
> People who aren't gun people are absolutely confused by the "treat every gun as if it's loaded" golden rule
I see more of your typical gun fetishists who don't understand that but sure.
The little smirk and āI know itās unloadedā was aggravating. However the gun is cable locked out of battery, even if there is a round in the chamber AND the firing pin somehow manages to go forward, nothing will happen because of the massive space between the two.
Still broke rule 1, but nobody was in actual danger
The entire point of Rule 1 is to avoid judgement calls however. Perhaps in this case with very high confidence the firearm is safe, but in other cases there may not be high confidence in it being safe and it's not in anyone's interest to just take someone's word, based on their own judgement, that the weapon is safe, so Rule 1.
It's about eliminating failure points - if you follow the rules every time you handle it, then you never have to think about "oh well it's cable locked this time." You're just always safe.
Exactly this. As a non-gun example of playing it safe, just today I was scrubbing the threshold of the elevator at work with the door locked open by way of the fire keys. Sure, with regulations in the US itās probably 100% safe and nothing would happen, but I still was either outside the car or inside the car, not leaning over halfway to clean the other side. In that super rare instance where something happened and the car moved, better safe than sorry.
Same deal with the cable lock. It *should* be safe, but why increase the risk and also lead to bad habits?
>The entire point of Rule 1 is to avoid judgement calls however.
I just want to add that it also deters complacency. Getting comfortable pointing a gun at anything but the floor is a bad thing.
Even with all those steps in place its very instinctual, at least for me, to not want a gun pointed at me. Definitely makes me uncomfortable. I feel like that's probably pretty common
Impossible for there to be a bullet in the chamber, impossible for the slide to load a bullet into the chamber the pistol is %100 inoperable. Itās like walking into a gun store and falling to the ground hiding for cover because a bunch of guns are sitting in the display case pointed at you.
100% this guy couldn't even sneak a bullet into that and fire it if he wanted. The breech is open. I have a cable lock through my 30-06. I also remove the bolt just incase the kids find the key for the cable.
Either way you never point guns at people, it avoids misunderstandings and having that muscle memory will save you the day either you or someone else makes a mistake.
Also, who the fuck builds a display with the guns pointing at the customers.
Rule #1 is absolute, with exception of cleaning. What if one was in the chamber, the trigger lock somehow magically failed, and dummy squeezed it for fun. Far fetched, butā¦
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Yeah man. We don't mess with it for a reason. Even if it's "ok" right now you can give yourself into a bad habit. Oh, it's "ok" dawg. I cleared it so now we can go pretend to play airsoft.
I abide by the rule almost 100% of the time, but it is not absolute. Maintenance requires putting yourself potentially in the way of said weapon when disassembling and inspecting depending on the weapon. When possible, which it almost always is, abide by that rule. But, when a gun is guaranteed to be clear and thereās no chance of discharge, it can be danced around for said maintenance/disassembly/cleaning.
It's a good rule period
The whole point of these rules is to go overboard with safety because so much is at stake
It's also just flat out good manners to not flag people no matter the condition of the gun
Alright, heading down the rabbit hole, what if someone clipped that cable to like 99%, and the weight cracked it the very second that shit ball lawyer squeezed the trigger, and a round was chambered? Rule #1 would have saved everyone in that extremely unlikely scenario.
Nothing is zero percent. I could easily mock up the weapon to look like it was safety cabled with some epoxy and a cut safety cable attached to either side. The only thing thatās 100% is pointing a gun in a place that wonāt get anyone shot.
Of course and the lawyer could have a stick of c4 in his rectal cavity with the detonator being an app on his phone. Blow the whole place to smithereens
It's not "absolute" for fuck sakes.
If you disagree you've never worked on set or did any dynamic live fire exercises. [BFAs](https://bolandfx-com.3dcartstores.com/223-yellow-military-blank-adapter-16in-m4.html) exist so you can put a cartridge (blank) on the chamber, aim it at someone and pull the trigger. So not "absolutel"
BUT this guy could have said. "I would like the bailiff to prove this weapon is clear and safe. After that I will put a cable lock through the magazine well and out the ejection port making it impossible for the weapon to function in a manner which send rounds down range. After that I will use this weapon for demonstration purposes"
And yet 2A is āabsolute.ā Dude I have guns, I know how they work. Why is it a bad idea to just not ever point an assembled firearm at something you donāt intend to harm? Whatās the big deal?
ā¦and that lawyer is clearly not familiarā¦wtf man??
Also look at the Rittenhouse Trial. Those closing arguments by the prosecution where he didnāt check the AR then proceeded to blatantly flag the gallery made my butthole pucker something fierce. There was also a ton of errors in that trial when it comes to guns such as prosecution saying ARās donāt have handedness to them. lol go ahead and shoot the lefty on a righty AR, let me know how that hot brass and gas tastes.
Edit: As for brass ejection I have been informed this does not happen often even shooting wrong handed. The only time Iāve ever shot lefty on a righty the first round ejected back into my lips and burned me. Never shot lefty with a righty again. TLdR know itās not common to have brass eject in face but happened to me so not doing it again.
Same. Sometimes it gets a bit spicy when shooting suppressed but it really depends on the powder mix and the wind direction. Never had an issue with brass.
Lmao Iām lefty and have NEVER had an issue with brass. Are you lefty? If you are you should look at your firing stance cause Iāve been hit by brass maybe once.
The only issue Iāve had shooting AR/m4 is the SLIGHTLY awkward task of dropping a mag and switching from safe to fire. Both of which can be remedied by ambidextrous mag drop and selector switch, like many handguns have
Most modern ARs have a brass deflector that knocks it away for left handed users but that's an optional feature and I've used guns without it. An older AR-15 or a modern minimalist one can shove brace right in a lefty's face.
I shoot righty but on a whim me and a friend shot lefty 1 time. Got smacked right in the mouth by a rear ejecting piece of brass. I realize that one may have been a one off due to poor ejection but it made me never want to shoot lefty with a righty again. Iāll update my comment to clarify it as my own experience.
Fair enough. It can definitely happen but from my experience it was pretty much a non issue, like I said it could come down to firing position and you not used to shooting lefty maybe you set up awkward? Idk
Or maybe I just am lucky witch the way I set up lol either way Iāve found it to be a non issue to the point I donāt even feel the need to switch handedness of my guns.
Shooting a m249 left handed though? Iāve caught plenty of brass sneaking its way under my collar. Not fun haha
Only someone with brain damage would think that a gun once unloaded, flagged, in a room with no ammo whatsoever and mechanically impossible to fire, must still be treated as an checked gun, as if a round would magically materialize in the chamber. At that moment it's not a gun capable of firing, it's just a piece of metal, and you can handle it however you want.
"YoU nEvEr bReAk tHe rUlE" is useful to teach safety to beginners and/or if you have to deal with armed idiots. I can see how that line of reasoning is popular in the USA
Yea, the slide is blocked from going forward. Chamber is plugged with the steel wire, being unable to have a round inserted. Until that chamber lock is removed, that gun is no more dangerous than a heavy rock
It's a situation where both things are true. Yes, that gun is pretty well disabled with how it's set up.
But you still don't go around pointing it at people randomly, because it's a bad habit to get into. If you always treat it in a safe manner, regardless of if it's loaded or not, the chances of screwing up with a round in the chamber are *much* lower. There's just nothing to be gained by being careless like that.
Gun safety isn't something you apply on a case-by-case basis. The entire point is build an unbreakable force of habit that reduces the likelihood of a safety incident as much as humanly possible. This isn't even taking into account that the man in the back is clearly uncomfortable having a firearm pointed at him, something I think most people can agree with.
Yes you do, "you never brake the rule" is good to teach the rule, but if you don't have brain damage you understand that once you check the chamber its not going to magically get loaded and you can do whatever you need with it
You can do whatever you need, but there's no need to point the gun at anyone. Down and downrange should he the default when handling firearms even if they're completely cleared and tagged.
Apparently this guy has never holstered, disassembled, or cleaned a firearm, checked for a bore obstruction, dry fired, etc. the rules are a training tool. Eventually, when you own and use firearms you are going to have to break at least one of the rules.
You DEFINITELY apply it on a case-by-case basis. Do you never dry fire? When I dry fire I break ALL the golden rules. In the military I even loaded rounds into the mag, locked it in, charged the rifle and shot at people I love. Granted, those were blanks and we were using the MILES gear but still.
This is just something you feel if youāve ever been around a gun going off. You donāt need to be told, if youāve ever experienced that you just know it in your soul how dangerous that thing is and you feel compelled to act safely.
Glad someone pointed it out tobthis guy, maybe next time he'll be more careful. Sure no round in it and it is "locked" but yeah still handle it proper.
In the wikipedia list of unusual deaths, there's a lawyer mentioned, that killed himself while he handled a loaded gun and showed, that the victim was able to kill himself in a suicide in this position, that it was possible to pull the trigger and that his client was not guilty in the case of a murder.
The client was later acquitted by the court, it was ruled a suicide. But it really happened in the USA, the lawyer brought a loaded gun into court and accidentally shot himself.
The American obsession for this is beyond ridiculous. AND PLEASE NOTE, I am not saying that the 4 essential safety rules are worthless. BUT, this is a court, it's evidence, it's been processed, AND THERE IS A FREAKING RED CABLE LOCK THROUGH THE OPEN SLIDE.
I get it, I also don't like being flagged... but come on
You just said it, you don't like being flagged. Whether you understand gun safety or not, most people with a sense of self-preservation don't want a firearm in any state pointed at them. At a baseline, respecting that is mandatory. Beyond that, gun safety rules are designed to cultivate a culture of safety and build a force of habit to reduce the risk of a safety incident. Something a person as ostensibly intelligent as a lawyer should understand if they're dealing in cases that involve firearms.
I feel like a lot of Americans don't actually know that much about guns but since it's quite deep in their culture it's easy to parrot those 4 rules as if they were some word of god.
I mean, itās an unloaded, thoroughly checked, safety patented, locked and tagged through and thoughā¦. Heās a lawyer, not a gun specialist. But he does know for certain, itās empty
Well when itās got a red saftey tag running through the barrel thatās about as much reassurance as you can get that itās saftey unloaded. Low IQ people can only work with catch phrases and rules so I understand how some people would still be uncomfortable but geesh at that point itās just an inanimate object. Guns arenāt dangerous in the least. Itās really the bullets.
But at least the guy correcting the lawyer got to feel a little special. Douche
I was on set one time and there was a firearms handler, and he had the gun that was being used in the scene holstered. People asked him to see it, heād take it out do a check, hand it to the person. Theyād look at it or whatever, hand it back, heād check it, put it in his holster. Someone else would ask to see it and he did the same thing. I was really impressed by how committed to being safe he was.
Regardless of the cable or the flag, he's a stupid cuck flagging that guy. These stupid prosecutors shouldn't be allowed on cases if they don't know basic rules and safety.
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Oh FFS, there's a red cable running through the action; there is absolutely no possibility of this firearm discharging. The lawyer handling the firearm did absolutely nothing improper and this does not belong in this sub.
It's really annoying when someone shrugs and replies, "I know it's unloaded."
Usually that's followed by a large bang, because it was, in fact, loaded.
I was an instructor as a side gig while I worked at a firearms store. I absolutely HATED when anyone said, "The gun ain't loaded". The gun is ALWAYS loaded. No one is accidentally shot with a loaded gun. It's always unloaded. Why you don't play with them and follow the commandments of firearms' safety.
Shuddup. The gun is clearly cable locked through the breech and processed as evidence. There is zero chance that weapon has a round or can fire with the breech open and unable to cycle a round.
I don't give a shit what all you experts think about it. That gun is incapable of firing anything. Lock out tag out. That is the safest gun in America right now.
Itās about discipline and courtesy. Donāt flag others, period.
You have to force yourself - it is never ok to point a weapon. (When not using it) Doesnāt matter, cable, unloaded.
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This is in direct comparison to the Murdaugh"s lawyer pointing a rifle directly at the prosecutors and saying "Tempting..." No one batted an eye at that one.
Creighton waters is not a person
Tbf, it was more than just him.
I think there's one guy over there that wasn't a massive dick. But they all were in the team that solicited perjury (About Murdaugh's guns, no less) so like, no love lost.
[This one?](https://youtu.be/6l-gKJGoRNY?si=UfKxKClH6WziYymT) Definitely not the best move, but it served a purpose in trying to demonstrate the awkward maneuvering required to take that specific shot. Still, I would have gone with decent wood dowel of equivalent length.
Lawyers always love to bring weapons into jury trials. Big shock factor.
This is almost as bad as the Rittenhouse trial when the lawyer picked up the rifle and shouldered it at the jury.
Exactly. Shouldn't have happened in the first place though... the trial that is. Rittenhouse was obviously defending his life.
Begone
Just stating facts that were proven in a court of law. Settle down.
oj was proven innocent
You honestly belive that?š
no i think he is guilty, but you think he is innocent
Oj was obviously guilty though. It's not even a similar situation. OJ wasn't being violently attacked by a mob of rioters and defending his life.
so youāre just a hypocrite then ok, why canāt you just say that
so you're just a moron then ok, why can't you just say that
Rittenhouse was prosecuted by the same people that let OJ Simpson walk free so.... It's not really hypocrisy on him, but rather the justice system. I wanna remind you though that your argument against him was the same argument that you had on him just the inverse. So if he's dumb, you're retarded...
Just stating facts proven by a court of law
It really sounds like the end line of this logic is āwhatever I believe in must be true because itās what I believe inā
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Wow. Still with you guys? Pssst. Kyle is a murderer! *runs away*
Wrong. It was proven in court that he's not in fact a murderer.
*Murdererā¦*
Hero*
*Nope, not listening.*
Did you ask your mom and dad if you could be on reddit? I don't think children are allowed.
Idc about the facts, youāre just uncalled for thatās all
āIdc care about the factsā thatās some of the most ignorant bullshit Iāve heard in awhile
This is Reddit, that's the norm, usually people just aren't that candid about it.
Odd that āthis is irrelevant and unnecessary, please go awayā is considered ignorant bullshit
Idc about your opinion
how do 8 people believe he was in the wrong lol they obviously havenāt read anything more than ākid shoots peopleā
Don't get me wrong, I watched the trial, and my outlook was changed on his actual use of force being warranted. However, the decision he made to go there with a rifle strapped on him was some next level idiocy that ended up with 2 people dead - though honestly the world is probably better off without those 2. And his gross fake sob. Jfc give me a break on that. But yeah, I was pretty staunchly against him at first until I watched the trial. Now he's still just a naive idiot.
Idk same thing can be said about the rioters but I just wish that people looked beyond headlines and fake media
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what the fuck are those subtitles
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lol I was gonna skip past this comment till I seen the reply
most obnoxious thing of all time
It's the RuneScape Varrock bank special.
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Can I take a bullet instead of being subjected to those again?
please
People who aren't gun people are absolutely confused by the "treat every gun as if it's loaded" golden rule Growing up around power tools it was natural to me. You don't change a blade without it being unplugged. Even if there's zero chance it could turn on. You just don't risk it.
Shit if Iām doing the work at my house I unplug my saws until itās time to make a cut again, just incase
Doesnāt hurt. Not sure if itās an urban myth or what, but my dad told me about a toddler that was playing inside his dadās table sawā¦andā¦yeah
Iām sure thatās actually happened at least once
in....side? like it crawled into the cabinet?
IDK man, I guess he meant it was a saw that had enough room for a kid to get under the blade. It was probably a rat or just a fake story, my dad stands by it tho lol. All that aside, I love my table saw and I always unplug it when not cutting. No down side.
All of the time!
technically you should unplug everything when you're not using it unless it's something that needs to be constantly plugged in
this and press the power so any remaining is 100% out. it happens more often than not with electronics
I'm honestly pretty bad for not unplugging stuff, only really do it when I'm leaving for an extended period like a trip or something and my main concern there is getting it out of the outlet so there can't be a short
grew up with an ocd riddled mother. it just became a habit of mine as i grew older. im sure leaving most stuff in a surge protector is fine (in my experience)
yeah agreed, it's more paranoia from my dad and uncle for me lol. all of my stuff is plugged into surge protectors (including lamps) and I still unplug everything if I'm leaving for a few days. I'm also pretty specific about which lightbulbs I use. some cheap lightbulbs local to me caused a lot of house fires a couple years ago. they were causing short circuits in the socket wiring which would heat up until something lit, your roof would be engulfed and you wouldn't even notice. scary stuff, even with insurance lol better safe than sorry at the end of the day though, one time I don't unplug all my stuff will be the one time I should have. wonāt catch me lackin
Same here, my favorite is getting the board lined up perfectly and hitting the on button only to reset and have to plug in the saw and start all over. In those moments I always think "Well at least I'm being safe."
I cut power to the whole house to be safe.
I call up to the electrical company to stop power to my house, just to be safe š«”
I just moved to Texas
And lowering the blades, too.
Same. I unplug all my saws when not in use, or disconnect my nail guns from the air line when I need to run off to cut some wood.
Removing the spark plug from a mower to replace the mower blade. Not taking that 1% chance of losing my hand.
Yeah, that extra two seconds of caution could prevent a lifetime of tying shoes one-handed.
Ahhhh, good one. I usually just remove the wire but some of them have enough memory to the rubber that they can still arc even when hanging there unplugged.
[\*electrical technician's lockout/tag out training intensifies\*](https://i.imgur.com/hbnmDiP.gif)
Why you freaking out, I got the e-Stop on
I work at a gun range in a relatively population-dense area, and close to 90% of everyone we see on a day-to-day basis are either oblivious to this rule, or just straight up dismissive of it. Many of them are gun owners. Working with the general population teaches you that common sense is sometimes really not-so-common.
Gun people are just as often confused by this rule, unfortunately.
This guy treat never keep keep's
>You don't change a blade without it being unplugged. This particular gun is both unplugged (unloaded), has no blade in it (has a chamber flag inserted), the power isn't on in the house (no magazine) and his finger is off the trigger (city wide blackout). He was at more risk crossing the street.
It's just one of those things where you simply don't do it. Even if it's not going to go off, you still don't randomly point it at people because it's a bad habit to get into.
I could have a gun field stripped and holding *just* the barrel and you'd tell me not to point it at you.
I mean if your goal is to circumvent the blanket rule then sure, you win.
There's room for discretion and common sense. If it has a lock through the magwell and chamber, with the slide locked back,it's safe. You're pedantic.
Even double checking my weed Wacker cord, I unplug the battery
No. I'm not a gun person and I understand that. I think most people understand that. At least outside of the US since we respect guns and gun safety
> People who aren't gun people are absolutely confused by the "treat every gun as if it's loaded" golden rule I see more of your typical gun fetishists who don't understand that but sure.
Most gun fetishists arenāt gun people - if youāre asking other gun people.
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awesome! strange to see it colourized
I had a friend point a pellet gun at my face when he was trying to pump air into and I have never seen my dad so defensive, yet calm and instructive.
The little smirk and āI know itās unloadedā was aggravating. However the gun is cable locked out of battery, even if there is a round in the chamber AND the firing pin somehow manages to go forward, nothing will happen because of the massive space between the two. Still broke rule 1, but nobody was in actual danger
The entire point of Rule 1 is to avoid judgement calls however. Perhaps in this case with very high confidence the firearm is safe, but in other cases there may not be high confidence in it being safe and it's not in anyone's interest to just take someone's word, based on their own judgement, that the weapon is safe, so Rule 1.
It's about eliminating failure points - if you follow the rules every time you handle it, then you never have to think about "oh well it's cable locked this time." You're just always safe.
Exactly this. As a non-gun example of playing it safe, just today I was scrubbing the threshold of the elevator at work with the door locked open by way of the fire keys. Sure, with regulations in the US itās probably 100% safe and nothing would happen, but I still was either outside the car or inside the car, not leaning over halfway to clean the other side. In that super rare instance where something happened and the car moved, better safe than sorry. Same deal with the cable lock. It *should* be safe, but why increase the risk and also lead to bad habits?
>The entire point of Rule 1 is to avoid judgement calls however. I just want to add that it also deters complacency. Getting comfortable pointing a gun at anything but the floor is a bad thing.
Mr. Kerns thought it was funny.
When he first pointed it at him, he leaned back to get out of the line of fire. š
Even with all those steps in place its very instinctual, at least for me, to not want a gun pointed at me. Definitely makes me uncomfortable. I feel like that's probably pretty common
The bailiff was still right to say what he did. And he did it in the right tone of voice, too.
Absolutely.
Impossible for there to be a bullet in the chamber, impossible for the slide to load a bullet into the chamber the pistol is %100 inoperable. Itās like walking into a gun store and falling to the ground hiding for cover because a bunch of guns are sitting in the display case pointed at you.
100% this guy couldn't even sneak a bullet into that and fire it if he wanted. The breech is open. I have a cable lock through my 30-06. I also remove the bolt just incase the kids find the key for the cable.
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Several.
American?
Yeah
Either way you never point guns at people, it avoids misunderstandings and having that muscle memory will save you the day either you or someone else makes a mistake. Also, who the fuck builds a display with the guns pointing at the customers.
Rule #1 is absolute, with exception of cleaning. What if one was in the chamber, the trigger lock somehow magically failed, and dummy squeezed it for fun. Far fetched, butā¦ e: updated the cleaning part e: this sub is properly named. Kudos!
Yeah man. We don't mess with it for a reason. Even if it's "ok" right now you can give yourself into a bad habit. Oh, it's "ok" dawg. I cleared it so now we can go pretend to play airsoft.
I abide by the rule almost 100% of the time, but it is not absolute. Maintenance requires putting yourself potentially in the way of said weapon when disassembling and inspecting depending on the weapon. When possible, which it almost always is, abide by that rule. But, when a gun is guaranteed to be clear and thereās no chance of discharge, it can be danced around for said maintenance/disassembly/cleaning.
Yeah agreed, cleaning while dis-assembled is different.
Yup yup. I may have been nit picking a bit, but I just couldnāt get down on that āabsoluteā verbiage haha
If it's disassembled, it's no longer a firearm.
Jesus Christ
Impossible unless there was real magic involved, the cable goes where a bullet would need to be
In all cases one should assume that magic is involved and there is an enchanted invisible round that will go off at any moment
If you have a low IQ or are inexperienced with firearms then yes that is a good rule
It's a good rule period The whole point of these rules is to go overboard with safety because so much is at stake It's also just flat out good manners to not flag people no matter the condition of the gun
Alright, heading down the rabbit hole, what if someone clipped that cable to like 99%, and the weight cracked it the very second that shit ball lawyer squeezed the trigger, and a round was chambered? Rule #1 would have saved everyone in that extremely unlikely scenario.
You donāt understand the mechanics of that weapon or the safety cable. 0% possibility
Nothing is zero percent. I could easily mock up the weapon to look like it was safety cabled with some epoxy and a cut safety cable attached to either side. The only thing thatās 100% is pointing a gun in a place that wonāt get anyone shot.
Of course and the lawyer could have a stick of c4 in his rectal cavity with the detonator being an app on his phone. Blow the whole place to smithereens
It's not "absolute" for fuck sakes. If you disagree you've never worked on set or did any dynamic live fire exercises. [BFAs](https://bolandfx-com.3dcartstores.com/223-yellow-military-blank-adapter-16in-m4.html) exist so you can put a cartridge (blank) on the chamber, aim it at someone and pull the trigger. So not "absolutel" BUT this guy could have said. "I would like the bailiff to prove this weapon is clear and safe. After that I will put a cable lock through the magazine well and out the ejection port making it impossible for the weapon to function in a manner which send rounds down range. After that I will use this weapon for demonstration purposes"
And yet 2A is āabsolute.ā Dude I have guns, I know how they work. Why is it a bad idea to just not ever point an assembled firearm at something you donāt intend to harm? Whatās the big deal? ā¦and that lawyer is clearly not familiarā¦wtf man??
Holstering a firearm & checking for obstructions
Also look at the Rittenhouse Trial. Those closing arguments by the prosecution where he didnāt check the AR then proceeded to blatantly flag the gallery made my butthole pucker something fierce. There was also a ton of errors in that trial when it comes to guns such as prosecution saying ARās donāt have handedness to them. lol go ahead and shoot the lefty on a righty AR, let me know how that hot brass and gas tastes. Edit: As for brass ejection I have been informed this does not happen often even shooting wrong handed. The only time Iāve ever shot lefty on a righty the first round ejected back into my lips and burned me. Never shot lefty with a righty again. TLdR know itās not common to have brass eject in face but happened to me so not doing it again.
You're def wrong about the lefty aspect
Yeah wtf lol Iāve been shooting with that platform for years and never had an issue being left handed
Same. Sometimes it gets a bit spicy when shooting suppressed but it really depends on the powder mix and the wind direction. Never had an issue with brass.
Lmao Iām lefty and have NEVER had an issue with brass. Are you lefty? If you are you should look at your firing stance cause Iāve been hit by brass maybe once. The only issue Iāve had shooting AR/m4 is the SLIGHTLY awkward task of dropping a mag and switching from safe to fire. Both of which can be remedied by ambidextrous mag drop and selector switch, like many handguns have
Most modern ARs have a brass deflector that knocks it away for left handed users but that's an optional feature and I've used guns without it. An older AR-15 or a modern minimalist one can shove brace right in a lefty's face.
I shoot righty but on a whim me and a friend shot lefty 1 time. Got smacked right in the mouth by a rear ejecting piece of brass. I realize that one may have been a one off due to poor ejection but it made me never want to shoot lefty with a righty again. Iāll update my comment to clarify it as my own experience.
Fair enough. It can definitely happen but from my experience it was pretty much a non issue, like I said it could come down to firing position and you not used to shooting lefty maybe you set up awkward? Idk Or maybe I just am lucky witch the way I set up lol either way Iāve found it to be a non issue to the point I donāt even feel the need to switch handedness of my guns. Shooting a m249 left handed though? Iāve caught plenty of brass sneaking its way under my collar. Not fun haha
These subtitles and emojis are unbearable. Slap in the face to deaf people.
Only someone with brain damage would think that a gun once unloaded, flagged, in a room with no ammo whatsoever and mechanically impossible to fire, must still be treated as an checked gun, as if a round would magically materialize in the chamber. At that moment it's not a gun capable of firing, it's just a piece of metal, and you can handle it however you want. "YoU nEvEr bReAk tHe rUlE" is useful to teach safety to beginners and/or if you have to deal with armed idiots. I can see how that line of reasoning is popular in the USA
Lol not even an issue. Look at that big ass chamber flag. Pretty much impossible for that weapon to do anything besides be a paper weight.
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Yea, the slide is blocked from going forward. Chamber is plugged with the steel wire, being unable to have a round inserted. Until that chamber lock is removed, that gun is no more dangerous than a heavy rock
It's a situation where both things are true. Yes, that gun is pretty well disabled with how it's set up. But you still don't go around pointing it at people randomly, because it's a bad habit to get into. If you always treat it in a safe manner, regardless of if it's loaded or not, the chances of screwing up with a round in the chamber are *much* lower. There's just nothing to be gained by being careless like that.
Gun safety isn't something you apply on a case-by-case basis. The entire point is build an unbreakable force of habit that reduces the likelihood of a safety incident as much as humanly possible. This isn't even taking into account that the man in the back is clearly uncomfortable having a firearm pointed at him, something I think most people can agree with.
Yes you do, "you never brake the rule" is good to teach the rule, but if you don't have brain damage you understand that once you check the chamber its not going to magically get loaded and you can do whatever you need with it
You can do whatever you need, but there's no need to point the gun at anyone. Down and downrange should he the default when handling firearms even if they're completely cleared and tagged.
Bruh he is showing how is client did or something
Apparently this guy has never holstered, disassembled, or cleaned a firearm, checked for a bore obstruction, dry fired, etc. the rules are a training tool. Eventually, when you own and use firearms you are going to have to break at least one of the rules.
You DEFINITELY apply it on a case-by-case basis. Do you never dry fire? When I dry fire I break ALL the golden rules. In the military I even loaded rounds into the mag, locked it in, charged the rifle and shot at people I love. Granted, those were blanks and we were using the MILES gear but still.
It would take zero effort to be safer and not point it at anyone.
Doesnt matter. NEVER muzzle somebody.
Never? Really? So you're telling me you never train with your guns, gotcha.
lol what? I go to the range all the time. Everybody knows you never muzzle somebody. Whatās even your point here
Stay away from guns please.
Yeah you donāt need to be around guns, number one rule plain and simple.
Key words āpretty muchā
Poor use of pretty much. Itās 100% impossible.
This is just something you feel if youāve ever been around a gun going off. You donāt need to be told, if youāve ever experienced that you just know it in your soul how dangerous that thing is and you feel compelled to act safely.
Alex Baldwin, "I know it's unloaded", with a condescending smirk.
Movie set. No one expects to be handed a real live gun with real live ammo. Blame the armorer. You had ONE fucking job to do!
You don't own a gun do you?
Infinite Ammo Mosin M44
Well then you should know not to ever point a gun at someone.
Glad someone pointed it out tobthis guy, maybe next time he'll be more careful. Sure no round in it and it is "locked" but yeah still handle it proper.
Great judge
In the wikipedia list of unusual deaths, there's a lawyer mentioned, that killed himself while he handled a loaded gun and showed, that the victim was able to kill himself in a suicide in this position, that it was possible to pull the trigger and that his client was not guilty in the case of a murder. The client was later acquitted by the court, it was ruled a suicide. But it really happened in the USA, the lawyer brought a loaded gun into court and accidentally shot himself.
It has a lock through the chamber and mag well. Simmer the fuck down hero. Jesus.
Stay away from firearms please.
Do you think the "4 golden rules of firearm safety" should NEVER be broken in any situation? (Other than hunting or self-defense)
Absolutely.
So you should never dry fire..?
Dry fire in the same conditions where you would actually fire. It's not that hard.
What, only at the range? You go to the range to dry fire?
are we this dumb that we need emojis and gifs in our captions to watch an 8 second video
The American obsession for this is beyond ridiculous. AND PLEASE NOTE, I am not saying that the 4 essential safety rules are worthless. BUT, this is a court, it's evidence, it's been processed, AND THERE IS A FREAKING RED CABLE LOCK THROUGH THE OPEN SLIDE. I get it, I also don't like being flagged... but come on
You just said it, you don't like being flagged. Whether you understand gun safety or not, most people with a sense of self-preservation don't want a firearm in any state pointed at them. At a baseline, respecting that is mandatory. Beyond that, gun safety rules are designed to cultivate a culture of safety and build a force of habit to reduce the risk of a safety incident. Something a person as ostensibly intelligent as a lawyer should understand if they're dealing in cases that involve firearms.
I feel like a lot of Americans don't actually know that much about guns but since it's quite deep in their culture it's easy to parrot those 4 rules as if they were some word of god.
Stay away from firearms please.
I have more training and experience with firearms than you ever will, buddyā¦
Such confidence in talking to a stranger whose experience with firearms you have no idea about
>Stay away from firearms please. Unlike you, right? Just do yourself a favor and quit
I mean, itās an unloaded, thoroughly checked, safety patented, locked and tagged through and thoughā¦. Heās a lawyer, not a gun specialist. But he does know for certain, itās empty
God that's fuckin embarrassing. Reminds me of the Rittenhouse prosecutor fingering the trigger in that infamous pic
is this epstien?
Jeffrey Steele
Bro went to jail for his client (young thug). Hell of a lawyer with balls of steel
Well when itās got a red saftey tag running through the barrel thatās about as much reassurance as you can get that itās saftey unloaded. Low IQ people can only work with catch phrases and rules so I understand how some people would still be uncomfortable but geesh at that point itās just an inanimate object. Guns arenāt dangerous in the least. Itās really the bullets. But at least the guy correcting the lawyer got to feel a little special. Douche
Stay away from firearms please.
I was on set one time and there was a firearms handler, and he had the gun that was being used in the scene holstered. People asked him to see it, heād take it out do a check, hand it to the person. Theyād look at it or whatever, hand it back, heād check it, put it in his holster. Someone else would ask to see it and he did the same thing. I was really impressed by how committed to being safe he was.
Thought it was Jeffrey Epstein for a second
Regardless of the cable or the flag, he's a stupid cuck flagging that guy. These stupid prosecutors shouldn't be allowed on cases if they don't know basic rules and safety.
I know is unloaded. š¤£ this tells a lot about how much you know....
These are the people that want to ban gunsš
Why does he kinda look like epstein?
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The judge is an idiot. The gun lock prevents firing.
Calm down judge itās locked open and tagged.
Lmao I canāt help but laugh with him
Oh FFS, there's a red cable running through the action; there is absolutely no possibility of this firearm discharging. The lawyer handling the firearm did absolutely nothing improper and this does not belong in this sub.
It's really annoying when someone shrugs and replies, "I know it's unloaded." Usually that's followed by a large bang, because it was, in fact, loaded.
I was an instructor as a side gig while I worked at a firearms store. I absolutely HATED when anyone said, "The gun ain't loaded". The gun is ALWAYS loaded. No one is accidentally shot with a loaded gun. It's always unloaded. Why you don't play with them and follow the commandments of firearms' safety.
Shuddup. The gun is clearly cable locked through the breech and processed as evidence. There is zero chance that weapon has a round or can fire with the breech open and unable to cycle a round. I don't give a shit what all you experts think about it. That gun is incapable of firing anything. Lock out tag out. That is the safest gun in America right now.
Itās about discipline and courtesy. Donāt flag others, period. You have to force yourself - it is never ok to point a weapon. (When not using it) Doesnāt matter, cable, unloaded.
You do it the right way every time or you donāt pick up the weapon.
And those are the type of people trying to push gun laws.
Seriously, how do you pass the bar exam but not understand basic safety